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Obama Decries Health-Insurance Industry Effort to "Kill Reform at Any Cost"

By Michael A. Fletcher
President Obama hailed the progress Congress is making toward restructuring the nation's health-care system Saturday but warned that the health-insurance industry is among those determined "to kill reform at any cost."

Speaking in his weekly radio and Internet address just days after the Senate Finance Committee approved a health-care reform bill that meets many of his goals, Obama declared that the nation is closer to remaking the health-care system than at any time in history.

Obama accused the health-insurance industry of using deceptive advertising and self-serving studies in a last-ditch effort to derail reform.

"The insurance industry is rolling out the big guns and breaking open their massive war chest - to marshal their forces for one last fight to save the status quo," Obama said. "They're filling the airwaves with deceptive and dishonest ads.They're flooding Capitol Hill with lobbyists and campaign contributions. And they're funding studies designed to mislead the American people."

Health insurers released two reports this week warning that the reform legislation passed by the Senate Finance Committee would result in soaring premiums. The White House and congressional Democrats have dismissed both reports as misleading efforts to stop the legislation -- a charge Obama repeated in his address. Independent analysts have criticized the reports for not taking into account or underestimating key sections of the health-care bill in reaching its conclusions.

"It's smoke and mirrors. It's bogus. And it's all too familiar," Obama said. "Every time we get close to passing reform, the insurance companies produce these phony studies as a prescription and say, 'Take one of these, and call us in a decade.' Well, not this time."

By Eric Rich  |  October 17, 2009; 6:00 AM ET
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The insurance industry wrote the bill, they own senator Bacus, all this is just for show.

All this bill will do is force the poor and middle class who cannot afford insurance to buy insurance. Democrats and Republicans continue to turn the middle class into peasants. I am constantly reminded of the stories my grand father told me about how rich and powerful men ruined poland in similar fashion.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 20, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I've been saying this for years, including writing to my federal representatives, decrying the fact that they protect special interest groups while ignoring their constituents, throwing us to the wolves. Not only are the health insurance companies deceptive, but abusive as well. In fact, all insurance companies, the entire industry is deceptive and abusive. Throw in the pharmaceutical companies and we haven't got a chance. Finally an authority in a position of great power speaks the truth. Thank you President Obama! These companies' endless wave of well paid lobbyists is indeed a formidable obstacle, especially with a Congress seduced by campaign contributions, among other things.
Lobbying for the insurance and pharmaceutical industries should be criminalized for killing us.

Posted by: elleyeyegreen | October 19, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama: You just can't figure it out and its to bad. You aren't going to jam something down Americans throats that costs them extra money when they don't have jobs and the economy is in shambles. We just don't buy your health care agenda as it stands.
Put your efforts into the economy and national security and then hit the health care options when those improve.

Posted by: vangup | October 19, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

123 people died today because they could not afford or get health insurance. Many others died because of inadequate and deceptive insurance policies. Millions have gone bankrupt because of these policies.
There are too many posters for the bloody handed insurance industry and it's profiting with the death of it's customers. Whether you do it knowingly or because you disfavor this administration politically, you participate in those deaths. If you are for the insurance companies you are against Americans. Republicans were in the way of reform when Medicare was passed and they are in the way now. We will drag you kicking and screaming into the future again. Health care reform is happening now.

Posted by: seemstome | October 19, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

White House admits: We 'control' news media

Communications chief offers shocking confession to foreign government

TEL AVIV – President Obama's presidential campaign focused on "making" the news media cover certain issues while rarely communicating anything to the press unless it was "controlled," White House Communications Director Anita Dunn disclosed to the Dominican government at a videotaped conference.

"Very rarely did we communicate through the press anything that we didn't absolutely control," said Dunn.

"One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," said Dunn, referring to Plouffe, who was Obama's chief campaign manager.

"We just put that out there and made them write what Plouffe had said as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter. So it was very much we controlled it as opposed to the press controlled it," Dunn said.

Continued Dunn: "Whether it was a David Plouffe video or an Obama speech, a huge part of our press strategy was focused on making the media cover what Obama was actually saying as opposed to why the campaign was saying it, what the tactic was. … Making the press cover what we were saying."

Posted by: FraudObama | October 18, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

First they said 120million doses of H1N1 would be available. Then it was 45 million doses. Then 40 million. It is now down to 30 million - maybe. Now children are dying at an alarming rate. I say, let's let them run the entire health care system. If enough children die due to lack of government planning and follow-through, and enough seniors die due to denial of tests, diagnostics, surgeries and medications, then maybe the population will be reduced enough so that John Holdren's and Cass Sunstein's recommendations about euthanasia, abortion, et cetera will not be necessary and the administration will save a lot of money, thus making Obama's dream "I'm trying to get you a good deal on your health insurance" come true.

Posted by: chatard | October 18, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

These kindergartners "working" out of the White House plan to "reform" nothing at all - they are angry destructive bullies.

Posted by: tucanofulano | October 18, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"Reform"

Now, that concept is Profound!

To a Libbie Clown who abused the word "Change" as much as O'Bomba-Nation did...

It is Scary in its profoundness!

Allow me to suggest some versions:

Reform TORT!
Reform Usury Laws(Or, in the current case, the lack thereof!).
Reform Lending-Subprime and High Interest Credit Card!
Reform Un-Documented Labor-as in: STOP IT!

And More! ;~)

Socialize and Unionize the Nation's sixth largest industry? No thanks!

Posted by: SAINT---The | October 18, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Rooster54, I agree with bubbette1: you are an idiot and a Pavlov's dog to believe anything thje anointed one says.

Posted by: nmg3rln | October 18, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Would you trust your health care to the Inspector Clouseau in the Oval Office? Would you buy a used car from this little Lord Fauntleroy who can't stand his critics? Welcome to hope and change.

Posted by: nmg3rln | October 18, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Oboobma? Is he still around? I thought he moved to Norway.

Posted by: thebump | October 18, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

The young, empty headed, indoctrinated Obamabots are about to get what they deserve. If they are uninformed yet again, and fall for Obama's bs about health insurance, he will have achieved another goal. These young folks, already strapped with millions of dollars of debt thanks to President Peace Prize, will have more of their limited funds taken from them. This severely limits their abilities to prosper and live the lives the rest of us were able to before the thug took over. Of course once you understand that his goal is to make this a welfare state dependent on government for survival, it all fits! You are being led to a slow, unpleasant death by a con artist and his Marxist minions. For those who don't know about the cult led by Jim Jones, look it up! Obama may very well be the Jim Jones of our time or worse!!

Posted by: yankee11 | October 18, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I would feel better about supporting this proposed Govt. takeover of the Heathcare Mandated Legislation when, and ONLY when .......

.......POTUS NoBama, Congress and EVERY Bureaucrat on the Federal Payroll is MANDATED to participate FIRST, just as we the U.S. Taxpayers/Voters are being asked to do !!!

Until THEN..................

...........NO THANKS, I will be able to live without it !!! (If you know what I mean, "live without it!!!")

Posted by: thgirbla | October 17, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

to Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness: If you check out the Baynews9 website in Florida you will find any number of like-minded people similar to yourself. They claim to be creationists but they are for Darwin's survival of the fittest. They treat poverty like it was a self-inflicted disease and not a symptom of a lopsided economic system.
They insist we don't have the money for an equitable health care system but never fail to champion more for weapons and wars fought in the name of Jesus. These people already want to take "their" country back so soon after their last utter failure with Bush.
Obama won the presidency with a 9 and 1/2 million majority. Get out of the way, stand aside, the American people are ready for the right to basic health care enjoyed by the rest of the civilized world.

Posted by: seemstome | October 17, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Right on Obama...Absolutely correct to nix the corrupt and anti-progressive McCarran-Ferguson Act!

Don't know what dark corner or the US legislative process allowed this act, but it's gotta go.

Posted by: JustinMcC | October 17, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama's comments that the insurance industry is deceptive and dishonest is no different than when he says it won't add to the deficit or you can keep your own plan. Pray for the day we have a President that isn't a hypocrite.

Posted by: justamaz | October 17, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Bubbette 1-
Who are YOU calling an idiot?

YOU and your ilk think the rest of us are stupid, because we apparently don't understand the simple principles that everybody takes for granted which support your "common sense" ideas.
Well, I understand them, and I and my patriotic brothers and sisters reject your simplistic conclusions.
I came from a family of overconfident hillbillies like you. I still know everything they taught me, but I've learned a lot more since then, and I get to chose what to believe now. Unlike them and unlike you, I have a lot to chose from when I decide what to believe.
Chomsky listens to Limbaugh, and he understands in depth that which he rejects. I seriously doubt the same can be said for Limbaugh, or for you.

If you don't want your feelings hurt, I suggest you think before you attach dismissive labels to those who rightfully don't share your very limited views.
Humble yourself and learn something. You'll be glad you did.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 17, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Damnit, let's go to a universal single payer system and let the insurance companies go to hell in a hand-basket. When it is costing the average American family over $12,000 per year in insurance premiums, and would only cost us max $5,000 in increased taxes (leaving $7,000 more in our pockets) then I say go for it!

Posted by: RogerNoVa | October 17, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Even with all the ridiculous concessions already made to the insurance industry, they're still not happy. One fear they now have is that with pre-existing conditions clauses removed, people will wait until they're sick to buy insurance, so they'll lose money and pass the loss onto everyone else, raising rates in the process.

Well, boo hoo.

Insurance companies have lived high on the hog at our expense for too long. Now they think it's our responsibilty to provide them with an overpaying job just so they can continue to screw us.
They deserve to lose their jobs. I wish they could be forced to return the money.
Fire them, and fire every legislator who supports them. We'd be better off giving them welfare for doing nothing, than to continue to pay them outrageous sums to work against our best interests.
They ought to be in jail and denied healthcare, but we're not as evil as they are, however, they better quit pushing their luck against our growing majority.
How about giving the money back and finding a way of making an honest living?

Posted by: rooster54 | October 17, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Our government appears set on destroying the Country as we know it. They are taking every step they can to bankrupt it and build a new USA that is not based on the Constitution, but a large Government that will tax and take away your property to give to others.

No to health care reform. No to cap and trade. Fight these and tell your representatives to stop spending, stop bailing out, stop printing money.

IT IS THE ECONOMY, IT IS THE JOBS IDIOTS.

Posted by: Bubbette1 | October 17, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

The insurance corporations are for reform, just not this bill or any bill so far. They say we must take our time, sixty years isn't enough. We can't afford to make a mistake, we must get it right. Then they tell us they are going to raise rates again. Ronald Reagan said, "If you're afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside. The people of this country are ready to move again." The insurance corporations and republicans are dragging their feet all the way to social justice. This time they won't stop us.

Posted by: seemstome | October 17, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

You can't make a deal with the insurance devils and not expect to give up a pound of flesh. However, there is a good chance for a non profit, public option to be squirreled away in the final legislation. The passage of a bill is looking more and more certain as the end of the year approaches. This is our last and best chance for decades.

Posted by: seemstome | October 17, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

And that listing of legislative accomplishments even omitted the Ledbetter Equal Pay Act which was the first bill signed into law by President Obama, though it actually passed the House prior to Obama taking office. Might even have passed the Senate prior to then, but was signed into law by Obama in last week of January.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | October 17, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama wants to pretend that some of us are against healthcare, or that we have been influenced by the Insurance industry to opose this particular bill. I have been primarily by Mr. Obama's statements and the verbage of these competing bills.
I am am for healthcare reform. I am opposed to this particular monster of a bill, that will sabotage Medicare, and give the rest of us a lesser medicare clone incapable of providing the services we need, and driving those who now provide those services out of the marketplace.

Posted by: kesac | October 17, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

...and here is the link to the bill at the library of congress site.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:

Spend some time and read it.

Posted by: Dave27 | October 17, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The President should be concerned about the health care insurance industry.In Pittsburgh, PA, the big players (over 4 million subscribers) are Highmark,Inc. and UPMC. Both corporations make constant multimillion dollar annual profits and have multibillion dollar surpluses. In May, 2009 and August, 2009 Highmark applied for double digit rate hikes on 40 different product lines.Though UPMC put them to shame by filing one for a 48% increase.My wife has a non-medicare policy and her premium just increased to $690.00 per month.My medicare policy will increase 26% in 2010 (both are Highmark products).In PA, you cannot downgrade to a lesser cost product, even within the Highmark family without the preexisting condition exclusion.In PA, the only controls of increases on non-medicare products is the PA Department of Insurance, who never met a rate hike it did not like.There are no controls over medicare products......

Posted by: ugrantme18 | October 17, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Healthcare bills or any bills in discussion are shrouded in anything. They are open to the public.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/show

If you don't have time to read, there is audio recording of all hearings.

Now stop saying that text of bills (healthcare or whatever) is hidden from public.

When senator from Tennesse stood up and proclaimed, "liar", may be he was talking about his fellow GOP senators, and he used wrong word - he should have said "liars".

Posted by: Dave27 | October 17, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The Industry Report had some logic to it: Companies will pass on costs to consumers.

The Presidents response had NO facts. Just villification.

Who is being deceptive?

Posted by: primegrop | October 17, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Ok..I'm sick of trolls and armchair nobodies particularly paranoid delusional Repugs saying that Obama has not yet done anything...so here is his entire record as president thus far. These are the facts folks. It's easy for plumbers and unemployed building contractors to criticize the president yet most of these types don't even read credible newsworthy content.

Aug 6, 2009 Creation of 3 new scenic trails, Pacific Northwest National Scenic Trail, the New England National Scenic Trail and the Arizona National Scenic Trail
Aug 6, 2009 $2.4 Billion In Advanced Battery Development
Aug 3, 2009 Post 9/11 GI Bill
July 27, 2009 Cash For Clunkers cars.gov
July 6, 2009 Arms Reduction, Bilateral Presidential Commission Russia
Jun 12, 2009 Kids Tobacco Legislation
May 21, 2009 Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform
May 20, 2009 Credit Cardholders' Bill of Rights
May 19, 2009 Helping Families Save Their Homes Act
May 18, 2009 Mortgage Fraud and Recovery Act and Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission
May 12, 2009 Chesapeake Bay Protection and Restoration Exec Order
Apr 21, 2009 Kennedy Serve America Act

Mar 30, 2009 Omnibus Public Lands Wilderness Act
Mar 11, 2009 Omnibus Appropriations Act
Mar 11, 2009 Executive Order Creating the White House Council on Women and Girls

Mar 9, 2009 Removing Barriers to Responsible Scientific Research Involving Human Stem Cells
Feb 17, 2009 Recovery & Reinvestment Act

Feb 6, 2009 Executive Order: Use of Project Labor Agreements for Federal Construction Projects

Posted by: vintel7 | October 17, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

To Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness

you said 2/3s of democrats want this new reform the actual number of democrats to republicans is 53% to 35% and then the rest is independents with those numbers it seems a little hard to get 65 percent ofthe nation pro their current health care system

Posted by: dosk | October 17, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are against Healthcare reform because insurance companies are visiting and stuffing the pockets of GOP leaders.

Obama wants us to sign on to a health care bill that not even members of Congress will read before signing? The full text of the bill is out there. If GOP still haven't had time to read it, then may be they are too busy peeking under bathroom doors and chasing page boys.

Posted by: Dave27 | October 17, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

id just like to thank OHIOCITIZEN for making one of the most sensible comments i have read. Because for those of you who are just say this is socalist. Maybe people would be more inclined to listen to you if you presented both sides of the arguement. Instead of just stating your opinion and then expecting those who disagree with you to just change their opinions to fit yours.

Posted by: dosk | October 17, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Only a community organizing communist would accuse the other side of lying in the face of the facts. He thinks we are stupid enough to believe his retoric in stead of the facts. Well maybe some of his cronies do believe in him but a growing majority are calling him for what he is. A spoiled brat with no experience and a gift for lying. Oh well what should we expect from a scam artist who won't produce anything related to his past. Hell He can't even prove he was born, maybe he's an alien.

Posted by: troubled1 | October 17, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama wants us to sign on to a health care bill that not even members of Congress will read before signing. He will not use the care that he is offering to us. He promised that he would not sign any health care that offered more to members of Congress or the President than it offered to every citizen. Now he says that he will cut amounts used for Medicaid and Medicare(two entirely different programs) and use the savings to fund his programs but it will mean cutting care in both programs. But no cuts in the expensive plans offered to Union members and no cuts in plans available to Congress or the president. We can keep the health care we have, we will just have to pay 25% more for it. He is a master at reading the teleprompter and having well written speeches. But he is dishonest and deceptive when it comes to his programs. By the way, Ted Kennedy would not have lived as long as he did under the care offered to the people of the USA and Justice Ginsberg would not even have known that she had pancreatic cancer until it was too late to save her life. THAT is what Obama wants for us.

Posted by: tenshi1 | October 17, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

The notion that the legislating has not been done in the open is absolutely false and basically amounts to a smear tactic.

The Senate Finance Committee website posted Chairman Baucus' original "mark" or proposed bill in mid-September. A few days later, they posted a revised "mark." A few days later, about a week after the original mark was posted, they started the Markup Sessions, which were televised on the three various C-Span channels and were open to the public. After concluding the consideration of amendments in the early-morning hours of 10/1, they posted the bill with all approved amendments on the evening of 10/1. The Committee then delayed its final discussion and vote on the bill until a cost analysis was completed by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). A final cost analysis was received 10/6, then on 10/7, Chairman Baucus announced there would be a final day of discussion and a vote on the bill as amended on 10/13.

That final vote on the bill occurred mid-afternoon 10/13 as scheduled, and the final bill as reported by Senate Finance is posted on the Committee website. Nothing has been concealed from anybody.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | October 17, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I for one fully endorse having the same health insurance options available to all Federal employees--including Members of Congress---available to all Americans. Just put all those same options on a strictly-regulated national exchange and that would undoubtedly improve the system. Even that though would not be without disruptions as many companies may switch plans, many may resist providing coverage, which would then necessitate an employer mandate or requiring employers to provide particular amounts to workers to help cover insurance.

There is no "golden panacea" here apart from the true "single-payer Medicare for all" approach. But politically that is clearly unattainable. Because that is politically unattainable, we have haggling over all these other issues as to how to correct the blatant and obvious deficiencies of the current system.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | October 17, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

You know, I've read lots of disscussion on Obamacare. I get the impression we are not a nation against reform of any kind, but need to see the reason for such reform. The Healthcare bill has been shrouded in secrecy from the beginning. Little bits of the revealed parts were frightening to most Americans.
Now, instead of doing it out of sight and sticking it at us to beforced to take. Why don;'t you Mighty Democrats bring it all out on the table. ? I'll tell you what. Lets be real Americans and all take the same medicine. Senators, Congrrsspeople, and the Americans all get together and have a Healthcare system that is the same for all of us. You guys look like you got Gold Crowns on your heads and Million dollar women on your sleeves. If we are all so in the poor side then you need to stop taking those 100 milllion dollar vacations and those fancy meals you get as a per day um. I thought you serrd the people and not the other way around as it pewsently seems to be. Heck! the minute our new President got to be Presoident I haven't seen any phictures of him without a !0,000 dollar Brookes Broy=thers or some business shirt that runs about $500 apoiece. Now looking good to the World is nice, butthese are tough times for most of us and The people who run thr government need to join in. After all you is out=r servants. I thinkn ytou all need to have the same healthcare you propose to poke on us.

Posted by: jackolantyrn356 | October 17, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

The guy who tells the people to beware of scare tactics punctuates the same sentence (i.e. in the same speech) with a...scare tactic!

Now, he points at those who advertise as opponents to his ideologies as though their claims are completely false; only his are correct.

Perhaps, he should check his own stats, beginning with "jobs saved," as the jobs issue is one of the hottest ones in thew USA?!

Posted by: nosam32 | October 17, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Many of the preceding anti-reform and anti-Obama comments are lacking in any real analysis of the bill. The Baucus Bill has its shortcomings, but the bill has been estimated to reduce health costs and reduce the deficit over the next ten years by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office. Not within the next three or four years, but over a ten-period. Those are good things.

Perhaps those opposing reform really want to keep the status-quo, this broken mess of a health-care system we currently have that really benefits nobody but the insurance companies who face little competition, in a position to take advantage of an often under-informed public that is dependent upon them and is able to constantly raise rates at a whim due to the lack of national regulation, yet is less efficient---yes that's right much less efficient than the government-run VA health program and the government health insurance Medicare program.

Why is it that Medicare has administrative costs of a mere 3%, while the private insurance companies have administrative costs that average nearly 15%, with individual insurers ranging from low double-digit rates to nearly 20%? Could that possibly be because the insurance companies spend lots of money investigating claims so that they can deny them for various reasons and refuse to pay health care providers, thereby increasing costs for insured healthy citizens with ridiculous increases in premiums and co-payment rates?

Those who are anti-reform are in effect blindly supporting the health insurance companies. Therefore they must defend the practices of the health insurance companies. Yet from the anti-reform people, I seldom if ever here any defense of the health insurance companies. If you are anti-reform you are supporting the current system, saying it is effective and that the insurance companies are doing a good job. I want to hear a defense of the insurance companies but the anti-reform crowd retreats into these ideological one-liners ad nauseam refusing to defend the insurers. Is that possibly because the conduct of the insurance companies is basically indefensible?

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | October 17, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama plays it like the mafia thug that he is. He wants to exchange the current overpriced insurance to a more costly government controlled, socialist contrived, health plan that will tax everything associated with health care.
The liberal-socialist agenda intends to increase taxes and fines on everyone involved. The planned cut in medicare will prove to be obama's undoing.
America cannot afford obamacare, or anything on his socialist agenda.
The countdown to midterm elections continues, and millions of seniors voting, will make a difference to stop this attempt at socialism.

Posted by: spiris333 | October 17, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

They're calling it single payer, but we know what that really means - its a 110 million payer system. The people still working will be paying for themselves and the 170 million who aren't.

Well, let me correct that. Actually, we'll all be paying on the debt generated by this enormous boondoggle because Congress doesn't have the courage to admit that the Chinese will have to lend us even more money to pay this bill.

Posted by: magellan1 | October 17, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

obama, stop using the crisis to push forward your agenda in effect blackmailing America...
Jobs should have been first...
Jobs first...

Posted by: DwightCollins | October 17, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama is "Crying" alright!!!

And getting nothing done!!!

BooHoo this is hard!!!!!!


Posted by: jjcrocket2 | October 17, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

To apply the word "REFORM" to recent efforts is a joke.

It is a bunch of clueless politicians, who have no understanding of economics or the complexity of the health-care system, having their staff play with tax and regulatory code for political reasons.

Please do not use the word REFORM.

Posted by: pgr88 | October 17, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Yesterday it was revealed that the deficit is the highest it has been since 1945.

I would President Obama would explain to the American people how he intends to reduce the deficit, address the sky-rocketing national debt and not raise taxes to pay for all of his new programs.

It appears to me that the National government is spending like "drunken sailors" on shore leave after six months at sea!

Posted by: mwhoke | October 17, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Mr. President: "First, Do No Harm."

COVERT FED DEPLOYMENT OF MICROWAVE/LASER RADIATION 'DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS' AGAINST U.S. CITIZENS MAKES HEALTH CARE REFORM A CRUEL JOKE

Access to health care doesn't help untold thousands of unjustly targeted Americans damaged by the devastating physiological effects of being silently irradiated by microwave and laser radiation "directed energy weapons"...

...the weaponization of the electromagnetic spectrum, a silent "final solution" that may have the nation's political leadership in its ideological cross-hairs.

This technology is capable of altering moods, emotions, inducing fatigue, weakness, exhaustion, confusion, life-altering injury, disease and a slow-kill death.

And key elements of the Obama administration -- chief among them the defense/security/intel establishment -- are proliferating these technologies by various modalities -- reportedly, from hand-held weaponry to satellite and terrestrial cell tower based delivery systems.

American citizens and families targeted by this covert torture matrix also are subject to financial sabotage that decimates their livelihoods and financial resources...

...and relentless "community stalking" -- harassment, surreptitious home entries and vandalism by government-enabled vigilantes affiliated with federally-funded community policing and anti-terrorism organizations.

Warrantless, covert placement of GPS tracking devices and misuse of cell phone technology to hunt down the unjustly targeted enables this grassroots terrorism.

But the Obama administration continues to allow these warrantless intrusions into the lives of unjustly targeted American families.

The bureaucratic saboteurs and Dr. Strangeloves behind these multi-agency crimes against humanity and the Constitution must be removed from power, immediately, before this silent genocide claims more victims -- endangering the Obama presidency while making a mockery of the rule of law.

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
http://nowpublic.com/world/domestic-torture-radiation-weaponry-americas-horrific-shame

OR (if link is corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 17, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

In spite of insurance companies stealing $1.4 million per day from their policy holders to fight the policy holders' interests, support for a public option grows, because people are getting the truth that insurers are trying, but failing, to obfuscate. The more you learn, the less you'll want to choose the greedy insurers's self-serving manipulations over the will of 2/3rds of the American people.

Power to the people. Live free or die.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 17, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Obama is just another Liberal Looter, a Reverse Robin Hood who steals from the poor to further enrich himself. His priority for health care is finding more ways for he and his Chicago cronies to enrich themselves, just as they did with the so-called stimulus loot.

Posted by: Jerzy | October 17, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

2/3rds of Americans want a strong public option. Democracy should begin at home.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/health/policy/21poll.html?_r=2&hp

Posted by: rooster54 | October 17, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I am a small retail service business owner. Currently, I have about 20 employees. My small group health insuance was $240 per employee per month in 2004. In 2009, I am paying $360 per employee. A 50% increase monthly payment, and about 50% increasein co-pay. I expect the monthly payment will be about $500 by 2014. I only raised 8% one time for my service in the last 5 years

I am currently thinking to drop the heath insurance coverage for employee as I cannot afford to pay any higher monthly payment. I am waiting for the results of the heath insurance reform. I need a cost saving reform now, not later beacusr most of my emplyees who get an average $10 an hour cannot afford to buy heath insurance themselves.

Without my help to pay their insurance, most of them will be in the emergency room when they get sick. One way or another, I will let the government to take care of them when I cannot afford to pay employee health insurance anymore. If this is what the anti-health care reform people want, I promise you that you will get it as you are not helping me to help my employees.

Posted by: akip | October 17, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

FAKERS & THE PHONY

"2/3rds of Americans want a public option. 'nuff said."

Yeah -- and, like MESSIAH, do NOT want to pay for it.

They want to STICK THE BILL to others.

What a choice -- go BANKRUPT via SOCIALISTS/COMMIES like MESSIAH. Or with current INCOMPETENT GOVERNMENT PROGRAM.

Third way -- START OVER. SMALL STEPS. MAKE FATTIES like MIKE MOORE lose weight first.

Posted by: russpoter | October 17, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

It is a basic human right to have full opportunity to enjoy the best possible health, and thus to maximize one's quality of life. Anyone who claims health care isn't a human right cannot logically argue that human beings have a right to life.
If we have any right to life, then we have a right to a life of quality, and nothing is more essential to quality of life than good health.

Posted by: cardinal177 | October 17, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

thebump:

I am not religious. I made no remarks about abortion or my beliefs there-in. I also believe it would taint this discussion to go so far off topic. You take issue with my statement because we, obviously, hold differing definitions of what constitutes a living human being. If you would like to present a logical arguement, we should begin there. Otherwise, you're simply being inflammatory and defensive. I did not attack anyone's political views, only their weak arguments.

Posted by: build_the_pyramid | October 17, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Let's make sure we all understand..IF these jackasses, Obama included, give up on the public option then this whole exercise is a colossal waste of time. Anyone that doesn't believe that is truly having a ostrich moment and needs to pull their collective heads out of the sand immediately...

Posted by: rbaldwin2 | October 17, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Obama has shown that he does not have the ability to lead this nation. His chicago mafia style of leadership continues to alienate the base of America. His disapproval rating is rising, with more people realizing that his socialist agenda is bad for America.
America cannot afford obama's tax schemes.

Posted by: spiris333 | October 17, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I have equivelent to what I would consider a gold plated health insurance plan offered through my employer. We are a family of 5 in relatively healthy status. We did get the flu (not H1N1) probably from the elementary school a few weeks back. We went to the doctor and she wrote us a prescription for Tamiflu. It was $130!!! I pay very little of that out of pocket. What is wrong is the Pharmaceutical companies getting away with price gouging. I've noticed this happens more and more lately. My oldest daughter got a prescription filled for an earache. She got an infection in her ear due to swimming. The prescription was for 7.5 ml of drops (7.5 ml is about the size of a large thimble). It was $118!!! These same meds are available in Canada for half those prices. I'm OK with what the doctors are charging ($50-$100 per visit). I think that's in line. Pharmaceuticals are running amok like wall street execs. I sympathize with the construction worker (some who are friends). How can they afford the medicines they may need? If O-man can reign in the pahrmas...i'd be happy with that.

Posted by: xmlhack | October 17, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

To my detractors:
I do meaningful, useful work for a living. I actually do heal and comfort the sick, utilizing proven methods of real science and technolgy.
If you want to know who the REAL PARASITES are look at the insurance industry, the finacial sector, and the corporate lobbyists.
There people who actually produce goods and services with teir own sweat, and there are people who pay with their own sweat to buy those goods and services. All the people who find ways to get between these two and suck profits are the real parasites.
Get a brain, dittoheads.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 17, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

The way you all talk about the president, had it not been for the word "Obama" in there...I would swear you were talking about Bush. At least this president looks out for the average person...guess you are all so comfortable in business as usual you become fearful on change. Not everyone has control over situations in their life and you would call these ones lazy and living off the system. Many have worked hard only to be laid off through no fault of their own and you would have them classed as lazy? George Bush created this mess and those of you who supported him and his bully type policies around the world. Why not get 'all' the facts no matter what side of the isle you are on and then make an informed decision. Oh...but that wouldn't work for you...your narrow mind is too shallow for that part.

Posted by: DevilDoc | October 17, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

What a crybaby

Posted by: youlie | October 17, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

There appears to be no limit to the lengths Obama and Gang will go to get WhoeverCare passed. I didn't vote for Obama because I felt he didn't reflect my values, and it was a good choice. He is sinking below the level of Jimmy Carter in terms of his effectiveness. Two thirds of the voters who want Obamacare want a Public Option. More than half the voters don't want Obamacare. Those are the facts.

Posted by: Auburninbp | October 17, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

What a whiner. He is President of the United States and we get this level of maturity? How about we left facts support decision vs. making decisions and then looking and/or fabricating facts to support them. Novel idea. A couple of facts well pointed out:
-people won’t be covered after this new agency is built because as Americans we have choices
-insurance companies actually earn less premium/revenue than they spend on claims and only make their 5% from investment returns because due to statutory requirements they are not allowed to invest in the commodities market
-before you go crazy on me and scream about AIG – it was not their insurance side that was broken. It was the investment side playing the credit default swap game dreamed-up on CT by our friend Chris Dodd that received a nice little special “loan” deal.
-the President is sworn to protect and defend the US from enemies foreign and domestic. Any chance he will start focusing on that OR is this effort against an industry his execution of the oath he swore too?
-a majority of people like their current coverage.
-illegal aliens that don’t buy auto insurance today won’t get health insurance and continue to expect free medical. I have a great idea – deport the ILLEGAL aliens. The President is just planning to make them all legal and then they will get the free healthcare.
-Reid is sunk in his home state.

Posted by: dmware1 | October 17, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Hah! That's a good one. When it comes to deception, Obama ought to know, he's the Pro! He pulled a big one on the electorate last year.

Posted by: blueskiesmom | October 17, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

The guvament should know all about phony studies. It can't do a study without cooking the books.

If you think the CBO has given the "green" light to the Senate Finance committee's plan, take a look at the disclaimers and assumptions section. You're gonna have to pay to play, sooner than later.

Posted by: magellan1 | October 17, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a contemptable, incompetent, anti American leftist who has no business in this position.

Posted by: kasskivt | October 17, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Our politicians including Obama make me ill. No pun intended, put every time there is disagreement or someone in the private or public sector raise an issue or question policy, there is never a direct answer. They/he dances around the issues with no definitive answers but only to demonize those that question or disagree. Come on Obama, attack the points that are being made. Show us the beef, convince us that what you are doing is correct and your foes are wrong. Hit each point head on. Don't just make claims, show the points that substantiate them. Stop being a politician and be the leader of the United States of America. We want a leader we can trust, now prove it. You have the platform and the chance, take it and lead.

Posted by: hanocul6 | October 17, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

build_the_pyramid writes: "Human beings have the right to live."

Unfortunately, your messiah does not agree with you. In fact he is an shrill shill for the abortion industry.

I'm afraid you have no credibility with that line of argument unless you support abolition of the abortion industry.

Posted by: thebump | October 17, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Hey Obama!! It's the people who don't want your snake oil healthcare!! Listen to the people, instead of blaming it on everyone, but yourself. You have thrown the seniors under your bus- not to smart.

Posted by: CayC | October 17, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

This is America, Oboobma! Go back to Norway or wherever the hell you came from!

Keep you stinking laws off my body!

Posted by: thebump | October 17, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

to Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness:

"Maybe 2/3rds of the Democrats want it. Most of these folks are shiftless, lazy and would rather take WELFARE, THEN GET A FREAKIN' JOB!!!"

Those are unsupported blanketing generalizations. Biased ones at that.

"People who work for a living and have a decent education, actually like their health insurance. Even The Daily Kos reports over 65% are really happy with their health insurance."

The health care plan allows for people with employer-provided health insurance to keep it. This is a moot point.

"Health insurance isn't a right."

No, health INSURANCE isn't a right. Health CARE is. Human beings have the right to live. If one's life is of poor quality, or worse, in jeopardy, should they be punished or left to die because they forgot their wallet? I consider it callous and weak of anyone who would suggest that.

"You work for things and earn your way through life. Unless, you're shiftless and lazy. Then you're a parasite, sucking off people who do have a sense of self-worth."

Not everyone who fails to work for a living is failing because of something they are at fault for. Not all disabled people are fortunate enough to be like Stephen Hawking or Christopher Reeve, but they still deserve to have as good a life as they can get because they are people.


The bottom line? I'm not saying you're right or wrong, you just didn't support anything you said. Instead you just blasted an arbitrary 2/3 of an entire political party, everyone who doesn't work, all of welfare, and a health care plan you clearly haven't gotten the facts on.

Posted by: build_the_pyramid | October 17, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: rooster54: "2/3rds of Americans want a public option. 'nuff said.

This is what The White House is telling/paying people to post. It is a false statement.

Posted by: Superpower | October 17, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Hey. You wanna be a ward of the state? You wanna go on welfare at government expense? Join Halliburton just like Dick Cheney. He even got a "severance package" worth 36 mil.

Posted by: twm1 | October 17, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Amazing how a despot ruler can vilify a PRIVATE company. I think that's against the law. You see how the boy prince operates; acting as if reaching into the private sector is all but commonplace, now that you peasants have been desensitized after despot’s benevolent move to take over banks, automobile companies etc. Does any liberal read their history books?, the unrevised versions of course. You boomers will be the first elderlies to be denied your meds via a public option. Good luck with that hope and change, suckaaaaahz!

Posted by: Superpower | October 17, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

I am a 1099 worker(consultant) and pay my families insurance out of pocket. We pay $1,500 a month for insurance and just had another baby our second, got home to a $30,000 bill.

I WANT WHATEVER THAT IS NOT!!!

Posted by: jeff70 | October 17, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

"2/3rds of Americans want a public option. 'nuff said.
Posted by: rooster54 | October 17, 2009 6:14 AM"

thats a lie...

Posted by: DwightCollins | October 17, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Amazing, if you don't agree with Obama then he will send his Chicago mafia after you to destroy you, label you a racist or unamerican and take away your rights.
Is this really the United States of America we're living in today?

Posted by: sandynh | October 17, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

The insurance industry, having comfortable local state regulators, is full of bureaucrats accustomed to having their way. If they were smarter, they would keep their head down. Their rants are producing focus on their outrageous exemption from the anti-trust laws- the McCarran-Ferguson Act.
They say the drafted bills will result in expensive rate increases and deficits? OK, lets start with repeal of McCarran-Ferguson. That will save money by eliminating 50 state departments of Insurance- and putting just one in Washington. National competition will bring insurance rates down. Insurance executives will get less bonuses. We'll save a lot of money with a one line bill: McCarran-Ferguson is hereby repealed.
Sounds like a win-win

Posted by: auntywbush | October 17, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

to bmadden3:

To achieve your goal just get elected to the US Senate.

(Sorry, couldn't resist).

Posted by: thinking1962 | October 17, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to be held responsible for anything in my life. I want the government and my neighbors to pay for all of my obligations. I want to be a ward of the state.

Posted by: bmadden3 | October 17, 2009 8:04 AM | Report abuse

rooster54 crows about "2/3rds of Americans want a public option. 'nuff said."
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Maybe 2/3rds of the Democrats want it. Most of these folks are shiftless, lazy and would rather take WELFARE, THEN GET A FREAKIN' JOB!!!

People who work for a living and have a decent education, actually like their health insurance. Even The Daily Kos reports over 65% are really happy with their health insurance.

Health insurance isn't a right. You work for things and earn your way through life. Unless, you're shiftless and lazy. Then you're a parasite, sucking off people who do have a sense of self-worth.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | October 17, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

He also said the industry is “figuring out how to avoid covering people. And they’re earning these profits and bonuses while enjoying a privileged exemption from our anti-trust laws, a matter that Congress is rightfully reviewing.” Repeal of the McCarran-Ferguson Act is long overdue but unfortunately Fed regulation will not solve any problems. What good did Fed regulation of the Banking industry do? Lack of enforcement of existing laws, statutes, and rules is the root cause of our problems. This coupled with the fact that laws are enacted by politicians (usually attorneys) who can't seem to word them clearly enough that they don't precipitate millions or even billions of dollars of in legal fees to interpret. Of course, why decrying the insurance industry's alleged efforts to mislead our President stated that the insurance overhaul is “a reform proposal that has both Democratic and Republican support.” While true on its face, it garnered only one Republican vote out of the 218 Republican Senators and Congressmen. Why can't someone tell the truth, the whole truth? Many years ago we could count on the Fourth Estate. Now???

Posted by: thinking1962 | October 17, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

And what "rights" does Obama threaten to remove? The insurance companies have a right to be monopolies? They have a right to be exempt from the anti-trust laws? What kind of nonsense is this? The insurance companies exception from the anti-trust laws has been one of the most blatant outrages anywhere in the American legal system.

Posted by: twm1 | October 17, 2009 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Yes, repeal the federal antitrust exemption. Remove the state protection for those nasty private insurance companies. Force them to compete across state lines. Let them suffer.

Posted by: ReginaldJackman | October 17, 2009 7:27 AM | Report abuse

If you would like to help pressure Congress to pass single payer health care please join our voting bloc at:
http://www.votingbloc.org/Health_Bloc.php

Posted by: letsgobuffalo | October 17, 2009 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Has he prosecuted yet for his kids being mentioned by a child asking for healthier school meals, or was that just an empty bully tactic?

Posted by: zickzack | October 17, 2009 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Leave it to Obama to threaten legal action to remove rights whenever someone speaks against him.

Posted by: zickzack | October 17, 2009 6:47 AM | Report abuse

2/3rds of Americans want a public option. 'nuff said.

Posted by: rooster54 | October 17, 2009 6:14 AM | Report abuse

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