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As 2010 looms, GOP lays its bets on opposing health-care reform


Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky speaks to reporters on Capitol Hill about health-care reform in November. (Charles Dharapak/AP)

By Dan Balz
"All the anxiety's on the other side," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said with a smile earlier this week, as the Senate prepared for a historic floor debate over health care. "The hand-wringing, the agonizing, the how-do-I-explain this-to-my-constituents is on the other side."

On the day he spoke, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and White House officials were still putting out fires in their effort to round up the 60 votes necessary to clear the procedural hurdle allowing the Senate to go ahead with the debate. Reid would say only that he was "cautiously optimistic" that he would have the votes when he needed them.

McConnell went out of his way to draw a contrast with the other side. "I've got a cheerful, upbeat, optimistic team ready to go to battle over what most of my members, if not all of them, believe may well be the most important issue they will ever deal with in their time in Congress -- this effort to transform the American health care system into a European type system," he said. "So we are anxious for the debate and are going to give it our best shot. And I don't know how it's going to turn out."

President Obama and Democratic congressional leaders ultimately may prevail in their year-long effort to overhaul the nation's health care system. They have the numbers, if they can keep everyone on board once the bills have been amended on the floor and changed again in a conference committee. Still, McConnell and the Republicans now are betting that, no matter the outcome, their outright opposition to the plan advanced by the Democrats is both right on the merits and, as they look ahead to 2010, smart politics as well.

Republicans see two things that give them cause to believe their opposition will be rewarded, even if Obama eventually signs health care legislation later this year or early in 2010. The Republican base is overwhelming opposed to the measure being advanced by the Democrats. And there has been a bleeding off of support among independents for Obama's policies, particularly health care.

The latest Washington Post-ABC News poll found that 85 percent of Republicans oppose the health-care measure -- 73 percent of them strongly. That kind of energy produced the protests during the August recess, the Tea Party demonstrations this fall and the united front that Republican congressional leaders have adopted almost from the beginning of this debate.

Republicans also believe they are winning the battle for independents on health care. The Post-ABC News poll showed that only 45 percent support health care reform while 52 percent oppose it. Almost twice as many independents strongly oppose the measure as strongly support it. To Republican leaders, those numbers speak to potential anti-Democratic Party energy they hope to tap next year, even if the bill is enacted into law.

What White House and Democratic congressional leaders fear most now is a failure to reach the finish line. Failure to pass the bill would represent a huge disappointment to many of those who voted for Obama last year.

In the Post-ABC poll, 75 percent of Democrats support health care legislation, with 52 percent saying they strongly back the administration's efforts. A legislative defeat could significantly demoralize the Democratic base and lead to depressed turnout in next year's midterm elections. Which is a major reason why White House officials have preached that failure is not an option this time around.

White House officials read public opinion differently than do Republicans. They believe that Republicans in competitive races next year could pay a high price for opposing health care. They have seized on a new poll in Delaware that shows attorney general Beau Biden (the son of Vice President Biden) moving up dramatically against popular Republican Rep. Mike Castle, who has announced for the Senate and who voted against the health care in the House.

McConnell argued that Democrats have made a fateful decision to try to rally support with the argument that failure is not an option. "It's almost laughable," he said. "That's all they're left with. President Clinton was up here arguing that with the Senate Democrats about a week ago. And the reasoning was there's no other argument they can make. They've got no poll data they can show them. And so how do they get them to take a bullet for the team? They make this incredulous argument that somehow they'd have been better off if they'd passed it in the fall of '94. I don't think anybody buys that."

Democrats scoff at that assertion, believing McConnell is being disingenuous. If Republicans believe Democrats would be better off politically if the health care bill fails, they ask, why have members of the GOP worked so hard to defeat it?

White House officials believe that, if a bill passes, the political fever surrounding the legislative debate will break. Their hope is that most Americans (especially those independents who are skeptical about the bill) will find the sky hasn't fallen and, beyond that, will come to appreciate some of the insurance reforms that would prevent companies from dropping people or denying coverage because of pre-existing conditions.

McConnell notes that Obama won't face the voters until 2012. But Democrats in Congress have to worry about next year. That puts their political interests potentially at odds with those of the president. Will those Democrats in swing districts or red states ultimately buy White House arguments that a "yes" vote will be the right vote back home?

McConnell is not prepared to predict the future. But he said he believes that, "in every measurable way," Republicans are better off today than they were a year ago, with candidates "coming out of our ears" who think the climate is right. He won't say so but he also seems to believe Republicans are poised for a very good year in 2010.

The Democrats have much at stake in the health care debate. But so too do the Republicans.

By Web Politics Editor  |  November 18, 2009; 1:19 PM ET
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The GOP, smug all the while, has lost the confidence of a vast majority of Americans. Republicans used to be rational and fiscally intelligent. Now all they seem to do is scare people and try to shoot down every decent idea. It's a shame. Apparently, it's up to the Democrats to do the thinking and come up with the plans. Not much coming from the Republicans except "can't", "won't", and "no, no, no". Historically speaking, "can't" is not an American attitude. I doubt the GOP will go far with that approach.

Posted by: brightbluegorilla | November 18, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Premiums are rising because the COST OF CARE is rising. This legislation doesn't address that problem.

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Premiums are rising because the CEO's of insurance companies are greedy. They could care less about the American people. If they really cared about the American people they would have done something about it long before now and this wouldn't even be an issue. It is all about the almighty dollar, period.

Oh, and by the way, this is also a way for the insurance companies to blackmail the American people. See what will happen if you mess with us, we'll raise your premiums and provide you with less. The same way credit card companies are doing. Rich people only care about themselves and how to stay rich haven't you people figured that out yet?

Posted by: catmomtx | November 18, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Whistlin' past the graveyard, Mitch?

Posted by: rogied25 | November 18, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

The Party of NO continues to demonstrate that it is more interested in protecting the profits of the insurance industry than it is in solving real-world problems ordinary Americans face in their everyday lives. Republicans have opposed trying to solve the nation's problems ever since Obama became President. They are doing nothing to advance the interests of the American people. Everyone with a brain knows this. They are merely benefiting from the rough economy. If the economy turns around by September when voters really get focused on next year's midterms, then Republicans will pay for opposing Health Care reform.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | November 18, 2009 5:42 PM
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Here is a reality check to your worn out "republicans are for insurance companies."


1. The democrats give them a guaranteed 30 million+ forced new clients. And the clients have to get insurance. Pretty good deal to give your business model a 100% enrollment rate.

So who is benefitting the insurance companies?

By the way insurance companies made profits of 2.2% last year if you could take off your blinders for 5 minutes.

Posted by: Cryos | November 18, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Republicans do not want the current system to change. They seem to believe that the last election cycle wherein health care was a major issue for the American People doesn't matter.
They seem to believe that keeping the current system in place will win them elections in 2010.
They reveal, once again, that they work for the business interests making a huge profit off of the American People.
Profit is ALL they are interested in. They care NOTHING whatever about the citizens of this nation who need help. In fact, "help for citizens" is something the Republicans are ideologically opposed to.

Posted by: cms1 | November 18, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

With a major kicker: Lawmakers also get special treatment at Washington's federal medical facilities and, for a few hundred dollars a month, access to their own pharmacy and doctors, nurses and medical technicians standing by in an office conveniently located between the House and Senate chambers.

Bottom line is that the US could never afford to provide coverage to all that our politicians and federal employees get. We spend over $15 billion a year to cover 8.5 million employees.

Not quite what the minions gets, is it?

Posted by: RobParker
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Here's the link to Factcheck.org on healthcare for Members of Congress to give you an idea.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/health-care-for-members-of-congress/

Posted by: beeker25 | November 18, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

the 75% paid by his employer is correct, his real premiums likely b/w $1500 and $2,400 per month not $5,000 you site but still a substantial amount of money.

Posted by: leichtman
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You're right about the approximate amount, my goof.I tried to correct it but the network went down on me.
I saw on the news about one woman paying $24,000 per year for coverage for her, husband and child. According to her, the premium keep going up 30% a year. In both cases it is a substantial amount of money.

Posted by: beeker25 | November 18, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Pinochio of the Senate-instead of an extended nose, a receding chin.
(For goodness sakes. This man has excellent health insurance. You'd think he'd have gotten a chin by now.)Do they ever tire of the lies? Don't they care about dying Americans? Is it only patriotism when there's a defense contract for one of their cronies attached?
When are these slackers going to earn
their salaries and health benefits? (It's not as if Kentucky is breaking all the big records for education and health care coverage.) Any idiot can just pipe up and say 'no' to EVERYthing. On second thought, that's exactly what's happening.

Posted by: dcunning1 | November 18, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Well it's always easier to criticize something than it is to actually propose something productive.

It is hardly a clever political gamble, it's taking the path of least resistance - if they had coupled their criticisms with actual counter proposals, that would have been risky. Or if they came right out in favour of the status quo, that would be risky. Instead they fell back on their post-2008 default position; oppose absolutely everything coming from the opposition while making a ton of noise in the process.

It's the lazy pessimistic man's strategy. If it comes as a surprise to anyone than that person hasn't been paying attention the past year.

The absolute worst thing the Democrats could do at this point is to not pass anything, it would make them appear impotent.

Posted by: cjpotter19 | November 18, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

rob if they tried to cram down healthcare costs as you propose they would be accused of rationing care. Again h.c companies make enormous profits and have excessive administrative costs that public plans don't have and which you oppose. The more young people covered and in the system the lower your costs will be. As a boomer I too worry about affording premiums for the next 12 years wich most boomers can not afford until they reach Medicare age.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

if healthcare reform does not pass expect your premiums to increase at least 15% per year which it has for 10 years. There will be a subsidy to your self insured plan under the co-op. Your $1400/mo premium is actually pretty low with likely high deductibles. The right has made you paranoid about reform. No business can survive the present system with premiums rising 15% annually and no end in site.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

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Premiums are rising because the COST OF CARE is rising. This legislation doesn't address that problem.

Just like in much of the rest of the world, millions of Americans are getting older (baby boomers) and there are a lot less younger people behind them to subsidize their costs of care.

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

The reason Obama's support has been eroding is that people are doubting whether there will be any reform. If the Democrats pass a bill that does anything, then Obama's numbers will bounce right back up and the Republicans will be in deep trouble. Just wait.

Posted by: MagicDog1 | November 18, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

if healthcare reform does not pass expect your premiums to increase at least 15% per year which it has for 10 years. There will be a subsidy to your self insured plan under the co-op. Your $1400/mo premium is actually pretty low with likely high deductibles. The right has made you paranoid about reform. No business can survive the present system with premiums rising 15% annually and no end in site.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

the 75% paid by his employer is correct, his real premiums likely b/w $1500 and $2,400 per month not $5,000 you site but still a substantial amount of money.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RobParker
Well, I definitely know what my INSURANCE costs because I PAY FOR IT
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Actually you pay a small portion of it (about 25%), the rest is paid by the employer (about 75%) which tranlate into about $5000-$8000 per month for both of you

Posted by: beeker25 | November 18, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

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I AM my employer beeker. I also pay over 90% of my employee's premiums.

If this bill passes and I have to consider the amount I pay for them as federal taxable income, then their costs will likely be increased from 10% to about 35% since I won't be able to keep the same plans otherwise.

My policy for my family costs about $14000 per year.

If the Dems plan is passed, it's actual costs to keep the same coverage will be closer to $20,000 once tax implications are applied.

If you get employer coverage now, expect your premiums to rise, your co-pays to rise, your benefits decreased or all of the above.

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Actually, they have the same kind of health insurance that the Federal workers do which they pay out of their pocket for the premiums based on the exchange.

Posted by: beeker25 | November 18, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

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With a major kicker: Lawmakers also get special treatment at Washington's federal medical facilities and, for a few hundred dollars a month, access to their own pharmacy and doctors, nurses and medical technicians standing by in an office conveniently located between the House and Senate chambers.

Bottom line is that the US could never afford to provide coverage to all that our politicians and federal employees get. We spend over $15 billion a year to cover 8.5 million employees.

Not quite what the minions gets, is it?

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

There is no risk in the republican strategy. In the unlikely event health care passes and works, republications wouldn't get any credit (and the democrats won't get any brownie points either).

If it fails, as it likely will, the democrats get alllllllllll the blame.

Besides, if health care and global warming are so Good, why would democrats want to share any of the glory at all with republicans.

Posted by: oracle2world | November 18, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The Party of NO continues to demonstrate that it is more interested in protecting the profits of the insurance industry than it is in solving real-world problems ordinary Americans face in their everyday lives. Republicans have opposed trying to solve the nation's problems ever since Obama became President. They are doing nothing to advance the interests of the American people. Everyone with a brain knows this. They are merely benefiting from the rough economy. If the economy turns around by September when voters really get focused on next year's midterms, then Republicans will pay for opposing Health Care reform.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | November 18, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Actually, they have the same kind of health insurance that the Federal workers do which they pay out of their pocket for the premiums based on the exchange.

Posted by: beeker25 | November 18, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

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With a major kicker: Lawmakers also get special treatment at Washington's federal medical facilities and, for a few hundred dollars a month, access to their own pharmacy and doctors, nurses and medical technicians standing by in an office conveniently located between the House and Senate chambers.

Not quite what the minions gets, is it?

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

leichtman: if mandatory h.c coverage is unconstituional so is auto liability insurance.
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Since the 1994 bill was not signed into law, of course the SCOTUS had no reason to review it. I live in California where there's a mandatory auto insurance/liability law; and I believe the reasoning for THAT is operating a motor vehicle is considered a privildge; and you're expected to be able to produce some bucks if you are at fault in an accident and injure someone else or their property. While I also consider being a US citizen a privildge, I'm unsure of the legal argument for being at fault to yourself (I guess).

Feel free to consult a lawyer and post what you hear.

Posted by: shadowmagician | November 18, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RobParker
Well, I definitely know what my INSURANCE costs because I PAY FOR IT
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Actually you pay a small portion of it (about 25%), the rest is paid by the employer (about 75%) which tranlate into about $5000-$8000 per month for both of you

Posted by: beeker25 | November 18, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

if mandatory h.c coverage is unconstituional so is auto liability insurance.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

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Wrong. That argument has already been settled. Driving is a privilige that is granted by the states. You can choose not to drive. You can't choose not to live.

If private health insurance is compulsory, the government cannot legally force you to buy it.

But isn't that the Democrat's goal? They eventually want to push out the private insureres so only the government plan is available. This is their first step to the complete single-payer system the liberals so covet.

Of course, logic would dictate that since single payer doesn't work well anywhere else in the world, but somehow, in the bubble of the liberal mecca of America, it somehow wouldn't have the same problems as it has in Canada and Europe.

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Of course the Republicans oppose the reform. They are the political arm of the billion-dollar health care insurance corporations and their bonus rich CEOs.

Remember GW Bush and the GOP? They had eight years to get it right. But they are the ones who left us in a depression, with ordinary people losing jobs, health care, homes and retirement funds. The rich got richer, of course, and then were bailed out.

Ordinary people are still unemployed, many without health care, many others knowing that if they get sick they will lose their health care (rescission)or their jobs.

Ignore the GOP. They represent the rich. Pass strong health care reform.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | November 18, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

This is a BIG gamble. The memory of the public is fickle. It is a long long time measured in MSM moments until the 2010 elections. Suppose the Health Care Bill passes, there is a surge in government support for Jobs, and the number of unemployed drops then the gamble turns sour. If on top of this the Repubs fracture into conservative and less conservative all yelling at each other then forget the party. It will subdivide into non-effective parts.

Posted by: bluetiger | November 18, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

A couple of points on this: How many of those people CHOSE not to get insurance but could have had it?


Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 5:17 PM |

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Probably not as many as Republicans want you to believe. By the way, quite a few people without insurance are also hard working people who happen to work in jobs that don't offer insurance or other benefits. You know, employers who hire you on as a temporary employee so they don't have to pay benefits. Or, the ones that hire you as "part time" but work you as many hours as they can before they have to pay benefits. I know Republicans want to make people think that only shiftless, lazy minorities and illegal immigrants are the only ones who would benefit from health care reform. That is how they get people to vote against their own best interest.

Posted by: catmomtx | November 18, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

"Good politics" maybe, but no concern for the economy and the people of this country. Is that what we should accept of our Senators and Congressmen? But it is so typical of Republican elected officials to see them put politics above the country.

Posted by: gparker1 | November 18, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Rob, THEY ALREADY HAVE Gov't provided Health Care!

Posted by: Angryman
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Actually, they have the same kind of health insurance that the Federal workers do which they pay out of their pocket for the premiums based on the exchange.

Posted by: beeker25 | November 18, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

curious Rob if you have ANY idea what healthcare cost since you deride those who can't afford to buy it. Tell us sir what it cost a family of 4 with parents 40 year old and nonsmokers for a basic healthcare plan.
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Well, I definitely know what my INSURANCE costs because I PAY FOR IT. (i'm 44, married, two kids).

I have NO IDEA what "healthcare" costs because I never see an actual realistic and itemized bill for anything.

Again, my point is, the current legislation mandates insurance for all but does NOTHING to control healthcare costs.

The cost issue isn't with insurance companies, it's with the care providers. That hasn't been addressed AT ALL.

We'll be $trillions poorer with the same problems..

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

if mandatory h.c coverage is unconstituional so is auto liability insurance.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

And if the Democratic plan is so good, then why aren't the rich Democrats in Washington putting THEMSELVES on it? But it's good enough for their sheeple....

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse
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Rob, THEY ALREADY HAVE Gov't provided Health Care!

Posted by: Angryman | November 18, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

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Umm, I suppose you can say that. Government provided healthcare meaning it's taxpayer funded healthcare but what they have is something that nobody else in the US will ever get.

Completely free unlimited care, no holds-barred for themselves and their dependends.

Let's do a side by side comparison of their public option that YOU get compared to what THEY ARE getting.

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

curious Rob if you have ANY idea what healthcare cost since you deride those who can't afford to buy it. Tell us sir what it cost a family of 4 with parents 40 year old and nonsmokers for a basic healthcare plan.
Have you figured out yet how much Rs paid down on Medicare Part D and the Iraq War.

Hint the second letter is e.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Eventually, private insurance firms will fail, one by one, leaving only your wonderful public option that isn't optional
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How is that so? Last I checked in some countries(Netherland, Switzerland, Germany) have private insurance and yet they don't drop people as soon they get sick. As a matter of fact in the Netherland all insurance companies are required to take people. For those who are high risk, the government gives money to the insurance companies to provide care. Same one that Medicare Advantage program does now.
It gets pretty tiring for you to keep putting insurance company/ GOP propaganda without checking the facts.

Posted by: beeker25 | November 18, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey Rob Parker: A couple remarks. The mandated insurance approach probably would by overturned by SCOTUS as in 1994 the Congressional Budget Office studied the constitutionality of then President Clinton's Health Care Bill and concluded:

"The government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence of the United States. An individual mandate would have two features that, in combination, would make it unique (strange,rare). First, it would impose a duty on individuals as members of a society. Second, it would require people to purchase a specific service that would be heavily regulated by the federal government".

If this was deemed unconstitutional then, one would think this would also apply today. You can be quite certain a government run Health Care program and mandate will be brought into question.

So, do I want government bureaucrats deciding on my health care in a universal coverage approach? You bet I do! Because the other choice is to have corporate bureaucrats deciding on my health care. I have some control over the government bureaucrats: I can vote out their bosses who tell them what to do. I have no control over the corporate bureaucrats. They can do what they please, and pay off politicians to stay out of the way.

Government bureaucrats will charge a few percent for the administrative work they would do, which is like what they do for Social Security and Medicare.

Corporate bureaucrats now charge 30% to pay their CEOs hundreds of millions of dollars and billions to their investors.

"Health care" companies do not do health care. They simply collect premiums from us, get the bills from doctors and hospitals, decide how much they are going to pay, and pay it. They are just pass-throughs. And they skim that 30% right off the top while doing it. Of course they are going to fight tooth-and-nail against a government-run health plan: It would make them irrelevant and put them out of business. And of course they don't want to give up that cushy gravy train.

In all the talk-show bickering, these simple facts above are being obscured. The health care companies don't care about us. Like all corporations, they are in it to make money. And what an easy way to do it. Why should their ease and comfort be at our expense? Get rid of these corporate bureaucrats and let health care be run by people we have control over - our elected officials.

Posted by: shadowmagician | November 18, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

typo: the 480% healthcare profits is over a 5 year period.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

This is an excellent idea provided Republicans are ok with being branded with continuing to help murder 45,000 American's every year that lack health care.

Posted by: Maddogg | November 18, 2009 5:08 PM | 45Report abuse

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A couple of points on this: How many of those people CHOSE not to get insurance but could have had it?

If under the Democrats' plan, someone opts to pay the fine rather than purchase insurance and ends up dying without it, will it then be the Democrats' fault?

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

rob predicts the end of UNH, Bluecross, Aetna. We should be so lucky but sorry to inform you they will continue earning 480% profits every year which will likely increase with 30 + millions of newly insurred. Poor, poor healthcare companies we all shed a tear for them.
Rob curious why you won't tell us how much Rs provided to pay for Medicare Part D and the Iraq War.
I will give you a head start. The word starts with the letter z.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

using the words smart and mcconnell in the same sentence?a complete book may be pushing the envelope.

Posted by: donaldtucker | November 18, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Whay should they care if millions are uncovered? After all, they, their families, their staffs and their all of their cronies at the club have coverage. Besides, if they actually looked out for the welfare of their constituents then all of those fat contributions would cease. All one need do is check to see who and what are making donations to their re-election campaigns.

Posted by: bfjackjernigan | November 18, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

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And if the Democratic plan is so good, then why aren't the rich Democrats in Washington putting THEMSELVES on it? But it's good enough for their sheeple....

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse
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Rob, THEY ALREADY HAVE Gov't provided Health Care!

Posted by: Angryman | November 18, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

It is ironic that both sides are using polls to buttress their cases for or against health care. The polls means absolutely nothing because it changes like the frequency of a radio channel.
For O'Connell, he is reliving in the past because he knows that if health care reforn fails, the GOP will win based on what happened in 1994. Since then things have changed to the point you can not defend the status quo.
By using faulty data, distortions and outright lies, some people believe it. As a matter of fact looking at Minority whip's website on health care showing the side by side comparison, there seems to be a quite bits of distortions on the basis of what's not in the bill and using CBO as basis, I could not find it but found an interesting 9 page letter written in regard how CBO calculates the various approaches between the House bill 3962 and Finance Cmte markup taking into account of the whole bill.

Posted by: beeker25 | November 18, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

healthcare plan will hurt America?

interesting those are the precisely the same sentiments expressed by R in the 60s when Medicare was passed.
Recently Congress was offered a bill by Ds to end Medicare b/c as they claim it hurts Americans. Guess how many R Congressman supported that bill?
Same old tune: govt bad. Its getting really old.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Jesus was anything but liberal...in fact, he was ultra conservative. Robin Hood was liberal. Maybe that was who you were thinking of?

He valued hard work and taking responsibility for your own actions & decisions.
He didn't advocate stealing at all (which is what liberals do!)
He advocated for children/babies (liberals kill them and call it choice).
He was Pro-Israel, of course.
He never called for the Government to help the poor, he called for the church to do it, which is what conservatives do.
He came to set people free, not enslave them to governments.

Posted by: theonefisher1 | November 18, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

rob obviously you are uninformed when you say its not an option b/c there will be a mandate to obtain coverage. Coverage will be mandatory, choosing the public option is an OPTION for the uninsurred. You probably knew that but chose to post misleading information.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

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I wasn't being misleading. There is no option. You'll have to buy insurance.

Eventually, private insurance firms will fail, one by one, leaving only your wonderful public option that isn't optional. YOU will have to buy it but NOBODY will be required to accept it as payment.

It will cost us more than the bankrupt Medicare program and you'll get lower quality care and even less coverage.

Like I said, if it's so good, then why aren't your liberal leaders lining up for it?

Because they know that it's garbage that will only be enough to pacify the sheep that will keep them in office.

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

This is an excellent idea provided Republicans are ok with being branded with continuing to help murder 45,000 American's every year that lack health care.

Posted by: Maddogg | November 18, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

rob you never answer my question. How much in offsets did Rs provide in paying for 1. Medicare Part D and 2. The war in Iraq? We will wait for your answer since you want to whine about the CBO score which you and W praised for 8 years.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"If, as the Sen. asserts, passing Health Care Reform will hurt the Democrats, why are the Republicans trying to stop it?"

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Because Republicans/conservatives recognize that the health care plan will ulitmately hurt the nation, economically. While many see the republicans as serving their own interests, they are really serving our interests best. Americans are *most* concerned about jobs and the deficit, and whatever the CBO says, any one of these plans will NOT be deficit neutral...no government program ever is....


Posted by: boosterprez | November 18, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

the CBO just scored the Senate healthcare plan to cost $840 billion over ten years and reduce the deficit by $120 billion. About the same cost as Medicare Part D which incidentally the R party made zero effort to pay for.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse
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Budgetary slight of hand on the Dems side. You forgot to mention the nearly $300 billion bill that Congress will spend to shore-up the doctor short-pays.

Conveniently, the Dems had this stripped out of the healthcare bill to make it appear more affordable so in the long-term, overall, this plan will indeed increase the deficit.

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

rob obviously you are uninformed when you say its not an option b/c there will be a mandate to obtain coverage. Coverage will be mandatory, choosing the public option is an OPTION for the uninsurred. You probably knew that but chose to post misleading information.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans have the oddest arguments against health care. Government doesn't represent the people; private industry does? They're against debt but don't want to increase taxes to eliminate it? They want to amend the bill but under no circumstance will they vote for it? Or they are defending some bizarre notion of liberty? How many people ask for liberty when they get sick?

It's sad that so many of our fellow Americans aren't in favor of making our country a better place in which to live. I can understand why we have politicians opposed to reform: They're being paid off by lobbyists from the health care and pharmaceutical industries. I can understand why those same industries are opposed to reform: They're not going to make as much money as they currently are.

What I absolutely cannot understand is why my fellow citizens, including these posters, are opposed to reforming our broken health care system. They have no reasonable objection whatsoever, and I believe they'd all be singing a different tune if they or their loved ones were suddenly struck by a medical emergency that could possibly bankrupt them.

Posted by: shadowmagician | November 18, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are in a nihilistic phase now. They sold out everything they stood for to reflexively back the incompetent and corrupt Bush administration, and were booted out by the voters in 2006 & 2008.

Now the only thing they know how to do is stand in solid opposition to all things Obama, hoping desperately that he fails and that the public will not blame them.

The sad part is that even if their strategy succeeds at great cost to the country, they have no coherent plan for overcoming the deep problems we face. As a result, even if they did manage to return to power, their return would be brief and unproductive as they would be overwhelmed by the problems Obama is attempting to resolve.

Posted by: AxelDC | November 18, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Mitch "no mouth" McConnell has no credibility outside of his crumbling base.

Ignore this goofball. He speaks for the insurance companies.

Posted by: Heerman532 | November 18, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

that is why its called an OPTION rob. Thought your side believed in freedom of choice. The only freedom of choice your side advocates is the freedom for millions to remain uninsurred and use county medical facilities or just die from lack of medical care.
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Democrats who defend this bill simply are not getting the point. NOBODY is going to get free CARE from this bill.

They may be free or partially subsidized INSURANCE that doesn't have to be accepted by any private medical provider.

And it's NOT an option. It's going to be MANDATORY or individuals can be FINED and even IMPRISONED if they do not purchase their own insurance.

This is not HEALTHCARE REFORM. The system is not changing, just the number of people who will have mandated insurance.

Get a clue.

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

the CBO just scored the Senate healthcare plan to cost $840 billion over ten years and reduce the deficit by $120 billion. About the same cost as Medicare Part D which incidentally the R party made zero effort to pay for.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I think McConnell is playing a losing hand, and playing it poorly. Yeah, he's all relaxed.

If, as the Sen. asserts, passing Health Care Reform will hurt the Democrats, why are the Republicans trying to stop it?

Here's a scenario for next year, a very plausible one.

The economy is better, the country is adding jobs, the market is back up. Democrats claim credit through the Stimulus Bill

Health care reform is passed, and those who have children in their 20's can continue to ensure them thanks to Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats.

GM is making a profit, thanks to the Democrats.

Banks are paying back TARP funds. Thanks to the Democrats.

The financial industry is becoming more regulated. Thanks to the Democrats.

The Republicans can point to a very unpopular war that they want to spend hundreds of billions of dollars prosecuting. Far more than Health Care. Yes, it's more important to spend $1,000,000 to send a single soldier to Afghanistan than it is to provide health insurance for hundreds of children.

They're going to get crushed in 2010, as long as Democrats pass legislation.

And McConnell knows it, which is why the Republicans are trying desperately to stop anything from passing.

Posted by: dpc2003 | November 18, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"the public option is horrible and destructive?" you mean like Medicare and Tricare.
And we should jus let the market place just take care of healthcare. How has that worked out so far for the country?
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Ummm, it's not perfect but the free market has worked MUCH better than Medicare.

Medicare is BROKE! If service levels remain as is it today, Medicare will require an infusion of over $10 TRILLION over the next 30 years. By 2013, it will consume 45% of general revenue of the US treasury.

Yep. We want more of that.....

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

So I get a letter regarding my interest rate (and these bums got bail out money that the government stole from me) and I get a 3% hike in my interest rate even though I have excellent credit.
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The credit card companies made it perfectly clear they intent to raise the interest rate if the credit card reform passes. One credit card executive said point blank that "Americans do not know how to handle their finances." Since the law is being phased in incrementally, that's giving the banks time to jack it up before the full effect of the law is implemented.
I think you should switch to a credit union for a lower rate because mine is staying where it is....

Posted by: beeker25 | November 18, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

that is why its called an OPTION rob. Thought your side believed in freedom of choice. The only freedom of choice your side advocates is the freedom for millions to remain uninsurred and use county medical facilities or just die from lack of medical care. Thousands have stood in long lines in N.O and Houston for free medical care who have not had any medical treatment for years. Presume that you and Rs believe they deserve not to have medical care.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

So the Republicans and their Tea Party friends care more about the Republican Party's future than fixing the things that need to be fixed in this country - as the Headline reads, "Betting on..."

Maybe they'll be successful in opposition. Then, we'll watch over the next 10 years as Health Care as we know it in this country falls apart.

And like management of GM, they'll look around and wonder what happened.

Posted by: ljines1 | November 18, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"the public option is horrible and destructive?" you mean like Medicare and Tricare.
And we should jus let the market place just take care of healthcare. How has that worked out so far for the country? Premiums have doubled over the last 8 years and sent millions who have coverage into bankruptcy. Sounds like a great idea from your side of the aisle.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Whay should they care if millions are uncovered? After all, they, their families, their staffs and their all of their cronies at the club have coverage. Besides, if they actually looked out for the welfare of their constituents then all of those fat contributions would cease. All one need do is check to see who and what are making donations to their re-election campaigns.

Posted by: bfjackjernigan | November 18, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

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And if the Democratic plan is so good, then why aren't the rich Democrats in Washington putting THEMSELVES on it? But it's good enough for their sheeple....

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Not sure why you journalists insist on calling a new entitlement for universal health care 'reform'. Reform involves overhauling bad practices and streamlining the system, but you keep the original system. Universal health care entitlement is all about replacing the existing free market system with a socialist entitlement. It is not reform. It is a drastic left turn from the existing system.

Perhaps you are just passing along the language focus groups told Obama would be more palatible to sell socialist heath care entitlements?

Where is tort reform, as part of health care reform in this package?

Posted by: Wiggan | November 18, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

And the Republicans will give us what? Neoconservatives and Sarah Palin... Michael Jackson in a skirt.

The Democrats are phony baloney, the Republicans are phonier and balonier. Mitch McConnell doesn't care about America, he only cares about winning for the team. It's always about winning -- for both parties. Sick!

Please God, don't give us a Republican win
as punishment for Democrat sins. Please deliver us from both parties, and give unto us a third party...a party for sane people.

Posted by: RadicalGlove | November 18, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

interesting that procounsel delusinally believes that W had absolutely nothing to do with the collapse of Lehman Brother, GM or Bear Sterns, absolutely nothing. Also an interesting rewrite of economic history.
Curious if you are aware that the DOW has risen 40% since March(60 days after Obama was sworn in) in response to his horrible economic policies you and your Herbert Hoover party deride. Heaven help us had W and R economic policies continued in 2009. Ever hear of Hooverville?

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Whay should they care if millions are uncovered? After all, they, their families, their staffs and their all of their cronies at the club have coverage. Besides, if they actually looked out for the welfare of their constituents then all of those fat contributions would cease. All one need do is check to see who and what are making donations to their re-election campaigns.

Posted by: bfjackjernigan | November 18, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the most corrupt institution in America, our left-wing MSM wolfpack press who installed/elected Obama are at it again.

"AP Digs for Dirt in Palin Autobiography; News wire assigns 11 reporters to fact-check former governor's book, but didn't fact-check Obama's... "

The Democrat Party should thank GOD or some APE everyday............ for the fine cover they get from the liberal fascists that make up America's MSM wolfpack press today....

And the POST is a part of the liberal fascits that supports Obama and the Democrats

Posted by: allenridge | November 18, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Liberty is more valuable than a false security offered by the almighty and benevolent federal government.

Congress should let the market work by allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines, and oppose the public option--a government takeover of our health system.

The public option is a horrible and destructive idea that will eventually take all power and choice away from consumers.

Posted by: Loeff | November 18, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse


TO: krm0517 who wrote:
“… As for Civil Rights Act in the 1960s, it never would have passed if not for Republicans…”
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Yes, and Lyndon Johnson paid each and every Republican for their votes, just like insurance companies are paying the Republicans today for their “no” votes on health care reform.

Posted by: lindalovejones | November 18, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how often "hand wringing" accompanies actual work and responsibility.

Anyone can stand back and look smug while other people are doing the heavy lifting.

The fact that people would do it while there is an effort underway to provide health care to Americans is bewildering and disgusting.

Keep up the good "work" republicans.

Posted by: dccamp68 | November 18, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

dems in panic mode over unemployment

dems privately foresee losing the house if unemployment north of 10 percent in november

dems amazed can not just spend their way out--they do not understand the private sector--

pelosi is literally brain impaired
and obama only cares about photo ops

americans begain to get weary of the blame bush excuse as obama approaches the one year mark and unemployment at record levels

team obama is capitalism challenged

there will be panic driven dem end runs around obama next month

and all obama policies will do is make unemployment worse

and if this is an

obama christmas--bleak broke and unemployed--

the dems wil lose the house in a sweep that will only surprise those in the beltway

Posted by: ProCounsel | November 18, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Republicans overwhelmingly oppose healthcare reform.
That is great to hear. So to resolve the impasse that McConnell is throwing out, using the filibuster that 5 years ago he wanted to nuke, then all of his R minions should be excluded from coverage and from bankruptcy protections when they are uninsurred and can't pay for chemo. Wonder how many Rs opposing this plan would take that position who are uninsurred and have cancer. Congressman Grayson was absolutely correct when he said "Republicans want you to die quickly"." If that is McConnell's sentiment we should not stand in his way. Certainly they can always hold bake sales to pay off their hundreds of thousand in unpaid medical bills. Of course Rs never get sick or need life saving medical care, so for McConnell and his party that should not be much of a problem.

Posted by: leichtman | November 18, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"Republicans also believe they are winning the battle for independents on health care. The Post-ABC News poll showed that only 45 percent support health care reform while 52 percent oppose it. Almost twice as many independents strongly oppose the measure as strongly support it. To Republican leaders, those numbers speak to potential anti-Democratic Party energy they hope to tap next year, even if the bill is enacted into law."

Dan, how many of the total number polled identified themselves as Independents? If, as often happens, the party going through a crisis looses self-identified party members and the party winning gains them, would the split in independents be better described as "coming home"?

Posted by: Section506 | November 18, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

It will be a different political environment after the health reform bill is signed into law. All the anxiety that the Right has been whipping up will fade when people see that the world has not ended because of the reforms. And there are some elements of the reforms that are likely to be big hits with the public. Democrats will have something to crow about in 2010 while Republicans will just be doing a continuation of their sky is falling routine.

Posted by: skrut003 | November 18, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Republicans confuse opposition with obstruction.

Opposition implies that they have a better idea and are working to achieve it. They don't. Obstruction is what they are up to and we don't need that at all.

We have real problems in this country and need real solutions, not obstructionists who want to keep the status quo and their richly lined lobbyist pockets.

In fact the republican party is nearly dead. We need a new party to step up and replace them so we can keep our two party system.

Posted by: steve_in_severna_park | November 18, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

On the statement that the poor and uninsured more likely to die in the ER.

Here's a link to the report.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/chi-ap-us-med-injuredanduni,0,6005477.story

Posted by: zpope | November 18, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse


..........
what zpope said:

'It's no wonder "all the anxiety's on the other side." The "other side" wants to actually accomplish something. The Republicans want to stop all progress and lock in the cash flow for the corporate elite."

And remember Jesus was a liberal....

.........

Posted by: printthis | November 18, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Let me show you how research and critical thinking is done Rob.

You said: "out of the Top 10 richest politicians in Washington, 8 are Democrats one of whom is your beloved president who earned over $6 million last year."
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However, according to an article by the Washington Times (not a particularly liberal paper) "President Obama made less money the year he was elected president than he did the previous year because of smaller income from sales of his two books, according to tax returns released by the White House late Wednesday.

Mr. Obama and first lady Michelle Obama reported a taxable income in 2008 of $2,656,902, paying $855,323 in federal taxes and $77,883 in their home state of Illinois." -Thursday, April 16, 2009

So, I guess you're getting your information from ... ?

I also feel I need to remind you (since logic appears not to be one of your strong suits) that only records of income for 2008 are available. Did you make your numbers up?

Guess so. That seems to be what regressive party members do best.

Posted by: topwriter | November 18, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

It's no wonder "all the anxiety's on the other side." The "other side" wants to actually accomplish something. The Republicans want to stop all progress and lock in the cash flow for the corporate elite.

Posted by: zpope | November 18, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

In 2002 and 2003, the Republicans gleefully bleed the US Treasury of 1.4 Trillion dollars in tax cuts for the rich.
Now they claim the new healthcare bill which would benefit 50 million Americans and cost only half of what those two tax cuts cost, would be too expensive. Its easy to see what GOP's priorities are....the corporation, the rich, and the privledged class in America.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | November 18, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

RobParker wrote:
"... the 'latest' report that I just read says that the Democratic bill will kill 10 gajillion people in the first ten years due to starvation since they'll be paying so much in taxes, that they won't be able to afford food.

If you're going to cite some garbage report probably from some liberal source, then at least quote it rather than making up lies."
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All right Rob ... cite your source and please define "gajillion"

Or is it only Democrats that need to cite?

Posted by: topwriter | November 18, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

They see opposition as smart politics?

You mean they see opposition as a means to line their pockets with insurance money.

Only idiots, morons and throw-backs would oppose health-care reform.

Oh, wait ... the regressive parties tactics make much more sense now.

Posted by: topwriter | November 18, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

The minions of evil are gathering forces to fight a healthcare bill that will benefit tens of millions of Americans. The GOP and the healthcare industry are spending hundreds of millions to prevent this heathcare bill from passing. These are the same forces that fought Roosevelt in the 1930's against Social Security, the same forces that fought LBJ in the 1960's against Medicare, and now they are gathering their evil forces again. Each time they have pulled the "socialist" boogyman out of the hat, but this time they will fail and President Obama and the American People will succeed. Godspeed President Obama.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | November 18, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The latest report shows that if you don't have health insurance you are twice as likely to die in the ER.

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Really? Because the "latest" report that I just read says that the Democratic bill will kill 10 gajillion people in the first ten years due to starvation since they'll be paying so much in taxes, that they won't be able to afford food.

If you're going to cite some garbage report probably from some liberal source, then at least quote it rather than making up lies.

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

The latest report shows that if you don't have health insurance you are twice as likely to die in the ER.

The deaths of the uninsured is on the Republican's hands.

Posted by: lauther266 | November 18, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

In conclusion, Democrats all that stands on the side of 50 million American's without health insurance while the Republicans stand with the health insurance companies, no wonder America in the mess it's in, it keeps voting for the party of the rich/Republicans
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Yeah, those damn rich Republicans!!

Interesting though, that out of the Top 10 richest politicians in Washington, 8 are Democrats one of whom is your beloved president who earned over $6 million last year.

And you think they're representing YOU??

hahahahahahah

or should I say.....

Baaaaa Baaaaaa

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Millionare/Republican/McConnell is a fool! Democrats will pass Universal Health Insurance without the REpublicans help/support, just be sure you folks/voters remember Republicans did all they could to keep you from getting Health Insurance while they have the best government health Insurance tax-payer money can buy!

..."My God America, the great Washington POst trying to show you who's opposed to you getting the help you need, and Virginia and New Jersey go out and vote right against themselves!

In conclusion, Democrats all that stands on the side of 50 million American's without health insurance while the Republicans stand with the health insurance companies, no wonder America in the mess it's in, it keeps voting for the party of the rich/Republicans and it keeps voting right against it's self interests, no wonder American's don't see the Republicans for the trees they don't even vote for the party that will help them instead they vote right against themselves when they vote/Republican.

..."Be sure now that you run and vote Republican again so they can stop change and stop you from getting Universal Health Insurance in the richiest country in the world as they and the insurance companies go laughing all the way to the bank!

..."One more thing folks Democrats need to throw Lieberman out of Democratic caucus if he's not with us then he's against us and that includes others who don't support Universal Health Care, forget about the Republicans they are dead weight, and just out of touch and out of time, and America will remember who voted for change and who didn't!

..."Givem hell...Harry...

Posted by: ztcb41 | November 18, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

The GOP doesn't understand. There are 50 million without health insurance
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Is it 50 million this week? It was 30 million last week and 42 million the week before.

That's why nobody believes liberals. They make up lies to push their agenda. Polls? Amazing that liberal press only polls liberals to get the results they want.

We could argue the facts of this garbage legislation. The House version is public but amazingly, the Senate Dems won't release theirs at all so no telling what we'll end up with.

If you want to defend it, fine, but it would make you look a whole lot more intelligent if you actually KNEW what you were defending.

Until then, you're just another liberal sheep drinking the kool-aid.

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

The GOP doesn't oppose health care reform. What they oppose is stupidity, which is the sum of the current bills before Congress.

Posted by: sonny_sky | November 18, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Pretty funny to see the a rightwingnut teabagger cite the accomplishments of RINOs like Senator Dirksen in getting the Civil Rights Act passed.

You people can't have it both ways. Please don't try to claim that the kind of Southern conservatives that now dominate the GOP would have voted for this legislation. You just look silly.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 18, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

KILL THE BILL!

Dems will continue to create more pain, suffering, poverty and despair where they have power.

The party of incompetence will be routed in 2010.

Posted by: RobParker | November 18, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

The GOP doesn't understand. There are 50 million without health insurance, millions who are losing or will lose their insurance or jobs when they get really ill, huge deductibles and low caps on coverage for insurance with ever-increasing premiums.

Whatever you are paying for health insurance nowadays (unless you are on Medicare), you will be paying double in ten years.

Meanwhile, the rich insurance corporations and their bonus-laden CEOs have ever increasing profits, salaries and bonuses. And of course the GOP, which tanked the economy, put people out of work,and caused ordinary people to lose jobs, homes, health care and retirement, continues to prosper. This may be one of the most profitable years ever for huge corporations while the rest of us are unemployed and without health insurance.

The GOP is the political front for the way things are now--the rich get richer and ordinary people are unemployed, without health insurance and struggling.

Forget the GOP. Pass strong health care reform now.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | November 18, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

So... If I understand this correctly, the party of "NO" ( which was voted out of power for being against everything the American people wanted) has determined that they will continue to say "NO", and the rest of the nation is suppose to look at them and say, "You know, these folks are onto something we want to be a part of" the next time they are voting.

Anybody else see a disconnect here?

Posted by: BellsBlu2 | November 18, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Pass reform and be done with it. the republicons have made it perfectly clear that they are only opposing to oppose. they have shouted from the rooftops they oppose only for the reason that making the nation better would help Democrats win election. So f them. Make the country better, use every procedural endrun needed to do so, let them whine, and if they are right then passing reform will be the final nail in the coffin of the republicon party.

They are screaming for Democrats to ignore them by stating their intention openly -- they want to kill Americans because they think people are so stupid they will blame president obama and no the republicons who are STILL screwing up our nation. Go around them, over them, through them, whatever it takes. Just do it. They are irrelevant swine who have declared war on America and our people.

Posted by: John1263 | November 18, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"repuglican Teabaggers throughout history:

1492: You'll pay for thinking the Earth is round!
1543: You'll pay for saying the Earth isn't the center of the Universe!
1692: You'll pay for being a witch!
1776: You'll pay for defying the King!
1861: You'll pay for outlawing slavery!
1920: You'll pay for giving women the right to vote!
1960's: You'll pay for giving blacks equality!
2009: You'll pay for pursuing the mandate you were voted in for!"

Uhhh... The Republican Party was not formed until 1854, and it was formed by anti-slavery expansion activists.

As far as the 19th Amendment (Women's Suffrage):
FOR ADOPTION - 36.
Republicans - 36.
Democrats - 20.
AGAINST ADOPTION - 25.
Republicans - 8.
Democrats - 17.

As for Civil Rights Act in the 1960s, it never would have passed if not for Republicans.

So PLEASE, try to get your facts straight.

Posted by: krm0517 | November 18, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Muslims all look like UBL? That would be a surprise to the vast majority of Muslims who are not of Arab or even semitic descent. But who ever accused bigots of letting facts get in the way of their beliefs?

For the thinking folks out there check out the Onion - they have a funny piece about a rightie vehemently defending what he imagines is in the Consitution. Hits the nail right square on the head.

Posted by: John1263 | November 18, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

At some point, those who argue that the current health care system is perfectly OK will have to answer a few basic questions. For example- are we, as a country, satisfied that the US currently has a higher infant mortality rate than more than 40 other countries (including Slovenia, the Czech Republic, and Greece)? Or- should we assume the current health care system is fine, since the US ranks 50th in life expectancy (behind, for example, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Puerto Rico, and Jordan)?

I suspect that if such figures were more widely reported and understood, much opposition to tackling health care reform woudl disintegrate.

Oh, for those who want to see the figures, they are taken from the CIA World Factbook, which I think qualifies as not being a front for leftist policy prescriptions.

Posted by: jhherring | November 18, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

the republicons ALWAYS put their own petty political gain ahead of the good of the nation, and especially ahead of the good of ordinary American citizens. Who cares how many thousands will die, how many thousands of families will become homeless? If it means a vote for the gop then it is well worth the suffering of the plebes.

There is a special section in hell reserved for people like mcconnel, and sessions, and limbaugh and their vile ilk.

Posted by: John1263 | November 18, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

@angriestliarintheworld

angriestliarintheworld wrote: "2009: You'll pay for pursuing the mandate you were voted in for!"

U.S. population age 18 or older: 218,544,291

Total # of votes cast in 2008 U.S. Presidential election: 131,257,328

Total # of votes cast in 2008 U.S. Presidential election for Obama: 69,456,897 (52.92% of votes cast)

Total # of votes cast in 2008 U.S. Presidential election for McCain 59,934,814 (45.66% of votes case)

Total # of people, eligible to vote, so disgusted with government interference in the economy and in their lives, that they choose not to vote: 87,286,963

With the exception of a million prisoners, and children, what you have is only 1 out of every 3 people in the U.S. who were in favor of Obama (many of whom have now realized their mistake.)

Don't kid yourself: that's not a mandate for socialism. Not even close.


Posted by: tommyhendricks | November 18, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does Obama look like a Muslim?

Posted by: cschotta1 | November 18, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

And what exactly does a muslim look like? Do you look like a klansman?

Posted by: scrappyc20001 |

A Muslim looks like Osama bin Laden.
A klansman looks like Senator (D) Byrd.

Care to try again?

Posted by: cschotta1 | November 18, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

CONTINENTIAL CONGRESS 2009 - The Next Step For A Free People


CITIZENS WORKING TO RESTORE OUR CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC AND KEEP US FREE!


LIVE WEBCAST AGENDA:


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WEDNESDAY, NOV. 18
8:00 AM Speaker: Red Beckman -- Judicial Violations and Rights of Grand Juries, Trial & Common Law Juries
1:30 PM Miscellaneous violations of the Constitution: Health Care, Jury Nullification, etc.


THURSDAY, NOV 19
8:00 AM - 6:00 PM --*ALL DAY*, Delegates deliberate detailed plan of (peaceful) "CIVIC ACTIONS" for all Americans to take, en masse, to resist the state and federal Governments in order to secure Redress and hold these governments accountable to the Constitution.

FRIDAY, NOV. 20
8:00 AM - 6:00 PM --*ALL DAY*, Delegates deliberate detailed plan of (peaceful) "CIVIC ACTIONS" for all Americans to take, en masse, to resist the state and federal Governments in order to secure Redress and hold these governments accountable to the Constitution.

SATURDAY, NOV. 21
8:00 AM - NOON -- Final debate and adoption of the "ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION" (Containing the Continental Congress's formal "REMEDIAL INSTRUCTIONS" to both state and federal officials giving Notice and Demand to cure their violations and abuse, under threat and pain of the American People implementing their stated plan of widespread "CIVIC ACTIONS" to secure Redress and restore Constitutional Order)

2:00 PM -- Formal signing of the "ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION"

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Posted by: AJAX2 | November 18, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

You want to be a conservative be one...you want to be a liberal be one...but stop all the threats. We still live in the same country and I am tired of jaded loudmouths threatning the president or bashing everybody else grow up and remember you are still adults...and from what I see on tv mostly old ones

Posted by: scrappyc20001 | November 18, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

angriesdog: More Facts refuting your uninformed comments - 19th Amendment - The Vote in Detail.
The roll call on the amendment follows:

FOR ADOPTION - 36.

Republicans - 36.

Capper, Cummins, Curtis, Edge, Elkins, Fall, Fernald, France, Frelinghuysen, Gronna, Hale, Harding, Johnson, (Cal.,) Jones, (Wash.,) Kellogg, Kenyon, Kayes, La Follette, Lenroot, McCormick, McCumber, McNaty, Nelson, New, Newberry, Norris, Page, Phipps, Poindexter, Sherman, Smoot, Spencer, Sterling, Sutherland, Warren, Watson.

Democrats - 20.

Ashurst, Chamberlain, Culberson, Harris, Henderson, Jones, (N. M.,) Kenrick, Kirby, McKellar, Myers, Nugent, Phelan, Pittman, Ransdell, Shepard, Smith, (Ariz.,) Stanley, Thomas, Walsh, (Mass.,) Walsh, (Mon.)

AGAINST ADOPTION - 25.

Republicans - 8.

Borah, Brandegee, Dillingham, Knox, Lodge, McLean, Moses, Wadsworth.

Democrats - 17.

Posted by: jahoby | November 18, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Those Republicans who oppose expanding health care coverage to their less fortunate fellow human beings legally in this country and support greedy health insurance companies being allowed to refuse coverage or charge excessive rates for those persons with preexisting conditions, should show some more moral consistency, for a change, and give up any employer or government provided health care coverage, to pay for their health insurance themselves.
Bur then blatant hypocrisy and callous indifference are two of the defining characteristics of the modern Republican party.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | November 18, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't see favor swinging back to the Republicans in 2010. But if it does, it is because Americans love to believe lies, refuse to check facts, and like drama more then what's best for their children's futures.

Posted by: MissRed | November 18, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Dick Cheney adopted an ends justify the means approach to terrorism. Then the Congressional GOP did the same thing.

They have no qualms at all about encouraging their base to believe things about healthcare reform that are either gross distortions or outright lies. They speak of things that aren't in the bill and would be patently unconstitutional if they were. They have no shame.

Posted by: Booyah5000 | November 18, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does Obama look like a Muslim?

Posted by: cschotta1 | November 18, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

And what exactly does a muslim look like? Do you look like a klansman?

Posted by: scrappyc20001 | November 18, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Gee, do you suppose that anyone in the GOP cares about what is good for America? I think I remember from high school government class that the Congress was supposed to do things which were good for the country and for the American people. I guess that is secondary to what might be good for the GOP.

Posted by: kinsman_bob | November 18, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

is it just me or does McConnell look loke Herman Munster...

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Is it just me or does Obama look like a Muslim?

Posted by: cschotta1 | November 18, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

angriesdog: This, from your beloved MSNBC - The truth is that the 1964 Civil Rights Act saw strong Republican support. In fact, of the total number of Republicans then serving in Congress support never dipped below 70% on any of the final vote counts. The original House version got 80% GOP support, the Senate version got 82% and the final vote in the House was 82% of Republicans in support. On the other hand, Congressional Democrats never saw higher than 69% of its membership in support of civil rights for blacks. And who one of the leading voices in favor of passage? It was Illinois Senator Edward Dirksen, a Republican. Who was a leading voice opposing civil rights? Senator Robert Byrd

Posted by: jahoby | November 18, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

angriesdog:
Disregarding your other uninformed comments (for now) - As a matter of fact, the record shows that since 1933 Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats.

In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. That includes Al Gore's father. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes.

[See http://www.congresslink.org/civil/essay.html and http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1982/3/82.03.04.x.html.]

Posted by: jahoby | November 18, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

repuglican Teabaggers throughout history:

1492: You'll pay for thinking the Earth is round!
1543: You'll pay for saying the Earth isn't the center of the Universe!
1692: You'll pay for being a witch!
1776: You'll pay for defying the King!
1861: You'll pay for outlawing slavery!
1920: You'll pay for giving women the right to vote!
1960's: You'll pay for giving blacks equality!
2009: You'll pay for pursuing the mandate you were voted in for!

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld
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Hey lib, you'll pay for CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!

Posted by: cschotta1 | November 18, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

This week, the House of Representatives is scheduled to take up a bill (H.R. 3961), which would enact a permanent “fix” to the unquestionably flawed Medicare physician payment formula. Currently, the government formula underpays doctors, so doctors have to charge all Americans more to make up for the money lost through the broken Medicare system.
While fixing the Medicare payment formula is a good idea, it is reckless to not offset the increase in Medicare costs with spending cuts.
According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the bill would cost an additional $210 billion over the next 10 years. In fact, the measure was originally included in earlier versions of the House health care bill, but was later carved out of the legislation in order to reduce the bill’s cost and make the Congressional leadership’s health care agenda appear more fiscally responsible than it is.

Posted by: jahoby | November 18, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

repuglican Teabaggers throughout history:

1492: You'll pay for thinking the Earth is round!
1543: You'll pay for saying the Earth isn't the center of the Universe!
1692: You'll pay for being a witch!
1776: You'll pay for defying the King!
1861: You'll pay for outlawing slavery!
1920: You'll pay for giving women the right to vote!
1960's: You'll pay for giving blacks equality!
2009: You'll pay for pursuing the mandate you were voted in for!

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | November 18, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

penlyn: Haven't you heard? There are no death panels.

Posted by: jahoby | November 18, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Is the Republican party the death panel for the uninsured?

Posted by: penlyn | November 18, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

is it just me or does McConnell look loke Herman Munster...

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | November 18, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

By voting to sustain the filibuster against Judge Hamilton, 3/4ths of Republican Senators have shown that they care nothing about using the filibuster honorably. Therefore there is no reason to require a filibuster-proof majority on health care. Senator Reid should make health care a reconciliation bill and get a straight up-or-down simple majority vote. Remember: there is no real reform without a public option.

Posted by: raschumacher | November 18, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh Yes. I always get this warm fuzzy feeling when our legislators (no matter the party) work on passing bills in Washington.
You know. Like the Credit Card Reform bill or whatever the hell it was that was supposed to protect the consumer.
So I get a letter regarding my interest rate (and these bums got bail out money that the government stole from me) and I get a 3% hike in my interest rate even though I have excellent credit.
So in effect the sky hasn't fallen but I've been screwed again by this administration who gave away our money to hot shot CEOs. How many times do I have to be screwed by those we elected and those who claim to represent us?
Impeach Everyone in Wasington beginning with obama and ending with the janitor for the lowliest legislator. Then we'll start over again.

Posted by: tjmlrc | November 18, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh Yes. I always get this warm fuzzy feeling when our legislators (no matter the party) work on passing bills in Washington.
You know. Like the Credit Card Reform bill or whatever the hell it was that was supposed to protect the consumer.
So I get a letter regarding my interest rate (and these bums got bail out money that the government stole from me) and I get a 3% hike in my interest rate even though I have excellent credit.
So in effect the sky hasn't fallen but I've been screwed again by this administration who gave away our money to hot shot CEOs. How many times do I have to be screwed by those we elected and those who claim to represent us?
Impeach Everyone in Wasington beginning with obama and ending with the janitor for the lowliest legislator. Then we'll start over again.

Posted by: tjmlrc | November 18, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Well, now we know who's standing for the special interests and against reform. We know who is in favor of a status quo that leaves more than 30 million Americans uninsured and we know who supports a healthcare system in which insurance companies can drop coverage for any average American because they have a pre-condition. We know who wants to prop up the most expensive and inefficient healthcare system in the world. We also know who wants to use an issue as important as health care reform for purely political motives. It's Mitch McConnell and the Republican Party.

Posted by: jbentley4 | November 18, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

all politics all the time... history will deal with McConnell. Kentucky shall not decide the future of this nation.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | November 18, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

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