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Terrorism trials elicit strong opinions

By John Amick and T. Rees Shapiro

CNN: STATE OF THE UNION - Presidential adviser rejects worries over terror trials

White House adviser David Axelrod disagreed with the premise of Obama administration critics that any trial involving terrorism suspects, including alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed, held on American soil is dangerous and irresponsible.

Axelrod pointed to the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, convicted of conspiring to kill U.S. citizens as the famed 20th 9/11 hijacker in a U.S. civilian court, as evidence of success in trying terrorism suspects in courts as opposed to military tribunals.

"When the 20th 9/11 bomber (Moussaoui) was tried in Virginia, in a civilian court, and convicted, Mayor Giuliani testified in that case and he heralded the outcome. So he may have changed his view, but we haven't changed ours," Axelrod said, in response to statements by former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R), who said the use of civilian courts to try terrorists was a way of minimizing what he thinks is an act of war.

Giuliani, appearing in a separate interview segment, cited military tribunals as a historic precedent for wartime prosecutions and not civilian court cases that, he said, could put the site of the trials in a dangerous position.

"The really strange thing about this decision is five of these terrorists are going to be tried in military tribunals anyway," Giuliani said of Attorney General Eric Holder's decision to try Mohammed and four other suspects in America and put other suspects through tribunals. "So the reality is ... it's an unnecessary advantage to give to the terrorists. I don't know why you want to give terrorists advantages."

More on the Sunday talk shows after the jump

Giuliani coupled advocacy of tribunals with his concerns about the Obama administration's rhetorical framing of America's efforts to curb terrorism around the world.

"It's the more appropriate choice (tribunals) with regard to a recognition that we are at war with Islamic terrorists, something the Obama administration refuses to say," Giuliani said.

When asked if the Obama administration will be able to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay by the end of the year, as Obama had pledged to do, Axelrod said: "We believe we are going to substantially meet the deadline. We may not hit it on the date, but we will close Guantanamo. And we are making good progress toward doing that."


Axelrod: Abortion amendment is an aspect of a larger bill

Axelrod said the controversial abortion amendment added to the House reform bill that would bar abortion funding within any new plan created by the legislation would change the "status quo," something President Obama wants to avoid.

"The president has said repeatedly, and he said in his speech to Congress that he doesn't believe that this bill should change the status quo as it relates to the issue of abortion," Axelrod said of the Stupak-Pitts amendment. "This shouldn't be a debate about abortion. And he's going to work with Senate and the House to try and insure that at the end of the day, the status quo is not changed."

Would Obama refuse to sign a bill with the abortion amendment? Avoiding any commitments, Axelrod painted the amendment as a small piece of a larger, complex puzzle that is health-care reform, just as the administration has treated the inclusion of a public option in final legislation.

"I don't think the president has said that one way or the other what his posture would be," Axelrod said. "He said that this is an aspect -- the public option debate is an aspect of a larger bill. This is an aspect of a larger bill. He has been very careful not to draw these lines. But he believes both these issues can and will be worked through before it reaches his desk."


Giuliani weighs in on the Republican Party

Giuliani praised former Alaska governor Sarah Palin as a positive for the GOP, saying the enthusiams she creates can only be good for the party. Yet Giuliani did admit that tensions between moderate and conservative Republicans -- as exemplified in the recent election in New York's 23rd Congressional District where conservatives successfully pushed aside the moderate candidate -- is not a good precedent for Republicans.

"That's the way you can allow Democrats to win, even if the public has turned against them on certain things," Giuliani said, going on to falsely claim the winner of the NY-23 seat William Owens (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/O000169/) voted against the House's health reform bill.

"That's a district that is very concerned about Obama's health care. You can see the Democrat has voted against the Obama health care program. That's a district where we could elect a Republican if we get our act together and let's hope we don't repeat that too often because then we surely won't be a majority party."

ABC: THIS WEEK - Clinton: Security, Afghan accountability are concerns

Acknowledging that the instability of Afghan President Hamid Karzai's government remains a major obstacle to an effective U.S. strategy in the region, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton pushed broad accountability procedures in Afghanistan to combat corruption.

"I have made it clear that we're not going to be providing any civilian aid to Afghanistan unless we have the certification that if it goes into the Afghan government in any form, that we're going to have ministries that we can hold accountable," Clinton said today on ABC's "This Week." "We are expecting there to be a major crimes tribunal, an anti-corruption commission established and functioning, because there does have to be actions by the government of Afghanistan against those who have taken advantage of the money that has poured into Afghanistan in the last eight years."

Regardless of any new plan, Clinton said that America's security is the number one priority for any Obama administration decision on Afghanistan, stressing that President Obama is taking the most thoughtful and deliberate steps in re-evaluating strategy there.

"We agree that our goal here is to defeat al-Qaeda," Clinton said. "We understand that the Afghans themselves need help in order to defend themselves against the Taliban. Those are mutually reinforcing missions, but our highest obligation is to the American people. It is to do everything we can to make sure that America is secure, that our allies, our interests around the world are protected. And that is what we're focused on."

Clinton also stressed the role of Pakistan in combating further al-Qaeda growth in the region.

"We have made it clear to the Pakistanis, as well as to the Afghans and others, that we want to do everything we can to disrupt, dismantle and defeat Al Qaida," Clinton said.

Clinton did not elaborate on how to halt the activities of a stateless, constantly changing entity like al-Qaeda.

"Our goal is very clear. We want to get the people who attacked us, and we want to prevent them and their syndicate of terrorism from posing a threat to us, our allies and our interests."

Clinton also shot down speculation of a run for governor in New York next year, saying the rumor is dead.

That's another one of those stories that never will die, and I hope maybe we can put it to rest today," Clinton said. "No, I am committed to the job that I have."

Rudy Guiliani on Maj. Nidal Hasan:

"I think the administration has been very slow to come to the conclusion that Major Hasan was an Islamic extremist terrorist. I mean, the reality is, he announced "Allah akbar" when he shot and killed those people. He was communicating with a cleric who was encouraging terrorism. And now it turns out he has -- he even has business cards saying "solder of Allah. And I suspect that -- I suspect that Major Hasan, although I don't know if a decision has been made, will be tried in a court- martial. I suspect, but he could be tried either way. But these are acts of war."

NBC: MEET THE PRESS - Clinton: Trying KSM in America is right way

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the Obama administration and Attorney General Eric Holder's Justice Department had come to a comprehensive decision when they chose to try Khalid Sheik Mohammed in New York, and would not undermine their vetting process. She said the process for deciding which terrorism suspects would be tried in which judicial setting had been a lengthy and strategic examination. Clinton said in Mohammed's case, it was the "right way to move forward," for the terrorist suspect to "pay the ultimate price," for his alleged crimes.

On President Obama's Afghanistan strategy decision, Clinton said the United States is not interested in a long-term presence in the region, and the ultimate goal is to "disrupt, dismantle, and defeat," the terrorist connections existing in that country. Clinton said an improved security presence would promote Afghan independence.

CBS: FACE THE NATION - Hoekstra: KSM trial will be a circus; Leahy: KSM will be convicted

Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.) dismissed Attorney General Holder's decision to try alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed in a civilian court in New York as a certain circus, saying it may take several years to sort out such a trial.

"This is ideology run wild," Hoekstra said. "We're going to go back into New York City, the scene of the tragedy on 9/11. We're now going to rip that wound wide open and it's going to stay open for, what, two, three, four years as we go through the circus of a trial in New York City?"

Sen. Patrick Leavy (D-Vt.) disagreed, saying America's judicial system can of course handle these trials, and to avoid using our own courts is a sign of fear and a show of doubt in the system.

"We're the most powerful nation on earth," Leahy said in a separate interview. "We have a judicial system that is the envy of the world. Let's show the world that we can use that power. We can use our judicial system, just as we did with Timothy McVeigh, and send the people -- and convict the people."

Hoekstra, the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said that no one like Mohammed deserves the right Americans are afforded through civilian courts.

"I would have put him through the military tribunal process," Hoekstra said. "We started that process. They pled guilty. Why won't the president take guilty for an answer and say now let's go on to the sentencing phase?"

Crimes committed in America should be tried in America, Leahy said.

"If somebody comes into our country and murders somebody walking down the street, we're going to prosecute them here," said Leahy, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. "It doesn't make any difference whether they're Americans or not Americans. They committed the crime in America, and that's what he did."

Leahy also contradicted claims that the vast amount of waterboarding KSM received will result in a botched conviction.

"I think that we have plenty of evidence as obtained outside of the -- whatever he said in waterboarding," Leahy said. "Keep in mind, they indicted him long before this waterboarding. They had evidence enough to bring indictments against him long before that. I don't -- with the review that I've had of the evidence available, I have no question that they have enough evidence untainted by the waterboarding that will be admissible in court. And he will be convicted."

Hoekstra insisted moving prisoners currently held at Guantanamo to a maximum security prison in Illinois would be mistake, saying that Gitmo has been invaluable for America and that Obama has not thought this through.

"What problem is the president going to solve by moving these trials to New York or by moving Gitmo prisoners to Michigan, to Illinois, to Colorado?" Hoekstra asked. "He hasn't outlined what problem he's solving. I don't see the problem of moving them from Gitmo. It's been a great place. We've been able to keep them there safely. There are certain challenges with these prisoners. Why move them into the United States while we are still under the threat from radical jihadists?"

FOX NEWS SUNDAY - Republicans: KSM belongs in a tribunal

Former republican New York mayor Rudy Guiliani said the self-proclaimed mastermind of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, is "a war criminal" who should be tried at a military tribunal, not a federal court. Guiliani said he understood the symbolism of trying Mohammed in New York, only blocks away from the former World Trade Center site, but that doing so played into the terrorism suspect's hands. Guiliani said there is "another choice, a better choice," and that would be through the military commissions.

Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said trying Mohammed in New York would be giving him "the show trial he desires."

Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.), a member of the Armed Services Committee, said it would be a mistake to try Mohammed in a military commission because it would portray the terrorism suspect as the "image of a solider." Reed said it "vindicated this country's core values," that the people who suffered incredible losses in the September 11 attacks bring Mohammed to justice in a federal court and serve him his punishment.

On health care Sen. McConnell said Senate Republicans deserve a fair amount of time to review and debate the health care bill produced out of majority leader Sen. Harry Reid's (D-Nevada) office. He said Republicans needed a significant amount of deliberation to digest the bill's more than 2,000 pages, and would require weeks of floor arguments about certain inclusions. McConnell said he would not support a bill that used federal money to fund abortions. He said the House bill was signed relatively quickly and approved massive cuts to Medicare, huge tax increases and raised insurance premiums. McConnell said the final Senate bill would have many amendments that limited additions to the national budget deficit.

C-SPAN: NEWSMAKERS - Gregg: Costs still out of control

Sen. Judd Gregg (D-N.H.), ranking member of the Budget Committee, said the bill that came out of the House of Representatives did not control costs. He said there are a series of specific amendments the Senate bill would implement that would save the government money. Gregg said cutting defensive health care techniques and costly unnecessary testing would take away from the three trillion dollar price tag of health care reform.

Gregg also said targeting certain "disease groups," such as obesity and Alzheimer's disease, ailments that require long term funding, would lower the government's expenditures. He said the federal government should offer subsidized incentives to employers to reward workers with cash for making healthier lifestyle changes, such as quitting smoking, or losing weight. He said this would lead to a healthier nation and a smaller long term federal health care funding footprint.

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Comments

On the NBC Today show Obama said that KSM will be convicted and given the death penalty. If that happens critics will say that the outcome of the trial was pre-determined and rigged -- which contradicts the purpose of having a trial. If that isn't the outcome the 9/11 mastermind wins, America loses and hopefully Obama is defeated in the next election. It will be a real inspiration for would-be terrorists if KSM is acquitted.

Posted by: white_20003 | November 18, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

This has to be the worst decision/precedent Obama has ever made. I guess this means that all POWs and enemy combatants have to be read Miranda warnings and be given the same rights and procedures as Americans accused of committing a crime. Maybe we will have to release terrorists because a soldier didn't follow proper procedures when searching or questioning them. Secondly, KSM and his ilk will have access to classified information for their defense that they can share/leak. If this guy is acquitted Obama will be a one termer. This bad idea is unprecedented because no one thus far has been that dumb.

Posted by: white_20003 | November 18, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

It is so important to have the trial of KSM in an open court in NYC. Judges and justices in many other countries have bravely faced death from terrorists in order to maintain the rule of law. Have we in the US become such cowards that we are no longer willing to take any risk to see that justice is done?

Posted by: annieb346 | November 16, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

New Blog Post - An Open Letter To President Obama:

http://obamaprayers.blogspot.com/2009/11/open-letter-to-president-obama.html

Posted by: webmonkeydc | November 16, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Trying KSM in NYC will be rubbing his face in the dirt. Having an NYC jury judge him will be kicking him in the sphincter. He carried out his plot, brought down the Twin Towers, killed thousands, hid in friendly Pakistan, and was still brought to justice. We will have the last laugh, not KSM. Bush may have given Osama bin Forgotten a "get out of jail free" card at Tora Bora, but we still got the mastermind.

Posted by: Garak | November 16, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

While lower Manhattan may be overloaded with security for trial of so-called terrorists what about the rest of NYC is there is such fear?

As for Guliani, as a native New Yorker I saw him take advantage of every photo op etc., for 9/11..

Posted by: gany1 | November 16, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Cowards!
That's the WHITE WING for you.
That's why the DODGE THE DRAFT.
That's why they NEVER SERVED.
That's why their KIDS DON'T VOLUNTEER.
They are YELLOW COWARDS.
The terrorists who did the bombings in London were tried in LONDON.
The terrorists who did the bombings in Spain were tried in MADRID.
The terrorists who did the bombing in Bali were tried in INDONESIA.
YELLOW-BELLIED, NO SPINE, COWARDS.

One final question: HASN'T GIULIANNI PROVEN THAT HE IS WORTHLESS? ENOUGH!

Posted by: TOMHERE | November 16, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

The GOP Party of No and Fear are unable govern and when one does try to Govern and accomplish things for the American people, they continue to spew fear in the air in hopes that people will continue to stay depressed and afraid thereby immobolizing them to do anything at all. Of course, we should bring these men to Justice, this should have been done. GOP are just mad and angry that they could not accomplish this very basic task of holding these terrorists accountable for their acts!

As far as Obama bowing to the Japanese the Bible teaches us in Matthew 20:26 "It is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant."

Posted by: wdsoulplane | November 16, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

URGENT TO: TEAM OBAMA / D. AXELROD / R. EMANUEL / R. GIBBS / JAY CARNEY / A.G. HOLDER

Did this rogue program help drive the Ft. Hood shooter to kill?

Has microwave/laser torture been done to Gitmo and Bagram detainees to induce exhaustion, weakness, confusion, and life-altering injury and disease?

SECRET MULTI-AGENCY FED PROGRAM TORTURES, IMPAIRS, PERSECUTES THOUSANDS OF U.S. CITIZENS WITH NATIONWIDE SILENT MICROWAVE / LASER WEAPONS SYSTEMS, LOCAL VIGILANTISM: JOURNALIST VICTOR LIVINGSTON

• Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan
• FEMA Director Craig Fugate
• NSA Director Lt. Gen. Keith Alexander
• DIA Director Maj. Gen. Michael Maples
• DOJ Asst. Atty. Gen./National Security David Kris
• CIA Deputy Director Stephen Kappes
• FBI Director Robert Mueller

TEAM OBAMA, CONGRESS MUST ASK: What do they know -- and when did they know it?

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-ameria

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-tortures-me-silent-microwave-weapons-ousted-s-prez

OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 15, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

I do wish Droolyani would explain to us the Constitutional basis for the kangaroo courts he espouses.

Posted by: thrh | November 15, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I do wish Droolyani would explain to us the Constitutional basis for the kangaroo courts he espouses.

Posted by: thrh | November 15, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

David Axelrod is in the White House to make sure that all of Obama's decisions are made with a view of his 2012 re-election. But the upcoming New York trials of Guantanamo detainees have created their own typhoon of emotions and political demagoguery.

There is a lynching storm sweeping across America against the New York trial defendants. And although that American attitude is justified and understandable, it raises the question of finding an objective jury to try the defendants - especially in New York. New York is seen as a conveyor belt to hell for Muslims, and even Jesse Jackson, Sr. has called it "Hymetown" [mean a Jewish nest], and Luis Farrakhan has called "Judaism [prominent in N.Y] a gutter religion."
And foreign Muslims see New York as a Jewish town where they are all perceived as terrorists! And trying Muslims in New York would certainly be like throwing opponents into an ancient Rome arena, and then releasing the tigers in the form of a jury to do them justice. Then, there is the U.S. Guantanamo "torture baggage" already pre-packaged against the defendants, even though Eric Holder said that "tortured confessions" have been filtered out - assuming anybody would believes that.

And, then, there is the pre-determined outcome of the trial, that is, those people have already been judged to be too dangerous to be released -even if a jury had found them not guilty, a no chance event. But assuming that a "no guilty verdict" was reached, they will still die in a prison because national security concerns would render that verdict unenforceable. The "guilty" or the "innocent" verdict of that trial, therefore, is more about polishing the bad U.S. image worldwide, than about determining the fate of the defendants.

Obama, speaking to reporters in Japan, called that pre-packaged outcome of the New York trial "the most exacting standards of justice." And Americans already on a lynching mood certainly agree with him. But let's wait and see what the outside world will discern from the New York trials. And with the fate of the 9/11 suspects already pre-determined, the New York trial may turn out to be more about the U.S. wars, and about its sweeping of the Geneva Convention on Human Rights under the rug. Surely, George Bush's Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez said that the Geneva Convention doesn't apply to the defendants. And if the Geneva Convention doesn't apply, and if the U.S. has already decided to keep the defendants for life in U.S. prisons, why do we bother to have a trial that will be virtually a cosmetic event to perfume the Guantanamo's sordid history.
Nikos Retsos, retired professor

Posted by: Nikos_Retsos | November 15, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone really care what Rudy thinks? He has no credibility whatsoever. The crucial question is, what does Al Sharpton and Sarah Palin think?

Posted by: jay_casey | November 15, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

If our President said the moon wasn't made of green cheese Republicans like Giuliani would claim that it is - if you are one of those like myself who is tired of the rhetoric coming from the right - then in 2010 let's give our President a congress he can work with - there can be moderates and progressives as well as centrists all in one democratic party - the 2 party system is NOT good for America - it just divides us - the President is not locked into an ideology as much as our President is looking out for the interests of the poor and the middle class = 99% of us - he also understand that America lives in a glass house and the rest of the world is going to shatter it if we don't stop the selfishness and greed - those who support the Republican right wing conservative agenda are supporting the ultra rich who support a 2 party system and a 2 CLASS system - the rich and the poor.

Posted by: coralights | November 15, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

David Axelrod, Pres. Obama, Wash. Post AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS THIS WRONG, INCLUDING WIKIPEDIA. ZACARIOUS MOUSSAOUI WAS NOT, REPEAT NOT "TRIED AND CONVICTED" IN A TRIAL IN VIRGINIA! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS>

WHAT YOU SAW IN VIRGINIA WAS HIS SENTENCING TRIAL-ONLY! THIS WAS NOT A TRIAL ON HIS GUILT OR INNOCENCE, IN WHICH CASE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MUCH MORE HUGE AFFAIR THAN IT EVEN WAS-MOUSSAOUI PLED GUILTY TO ALL THE CHARGES AGAINST HIM IN MAY 2005-IN MARCH 2006 HIS SENTENCING TRIAL BEGAN.

TWO THINGS THE JURY HAD TO DECIDE FOR MOUSSAOUI'S SENTENCING TRIAL

1. WAS HE ELIGIBLE FOR THE DEATH PENALTY? THAT WAS THE ONLY, REPEAT ONLY ISSUE FOR THE JURY! NOT WHETHER HE WAS GUILTY, HE WAS ALREADY GUILTY!

2. IF HE WAS ELIGIBLE FOR THE DEATH PENALTY, DID HE DESERVE TO DIE-IN OTHER WORDS, WOULD THE JURY FIND LIFE OR DEATH FOR MOUSSAOUI?

THE JURY FOUND THE FORMER-HE DID NOT PARTICIPATE IN 9/11-HE WAS IN JAIL ON 9/11 THEREFORE HE DID NOT DESERVE TO DIE FOR THE 9/11 ATTACKS.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GET THIS RIGHT-NEXT TIME!!!!!

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT-BECAUSE WITH A GUILT TRIAL, SUCH AS KSM'S-THE MOUNTAIN OF CLASSIFIED AND SENSITIVE EVIDENCE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PRODUCED-BARING ALL OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES WORK IN COUNTER-TERRORISM, FOR ALL THE BAD GUYS TO PICK UP ON -WOULD BE SO MUCH MORE THAN WHAT WE SAW IN MOUSSAOUI'S SENTENCING TRIAL-AND THE PROBLEMS THAT OCCURRED DURING THE MOUSSAOUI SENTENCING TRIAL WERE VERY VERY SERIOUS-MISHANDLING OF INFORMATION, PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT, ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC WAS NOT AWARE OF-THAT WOULD BE MAGNIFIED A THOUSAND FOLD WITH KSM'S SHOW TRIAL IN NEW YORK!

THE WORST DECISION THAT OBAMA AND HOLDER COULD EVER MAKE-AND ONE THAT WILL HAUNT THEM, I'M SURE!

Posted by: arrabbiato | November 15, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

To quote an other "LOST" Republican:
"Giuliani praised former Alaska governor Sarah Palin as a positive for the GOP, saying the enthusiasm she creates can only be good for the party". Isn't it amazing how desperate the Republicans are for ANY Leader. The party without a head but lots of "MOUTH" Isn't it scary, Palin, Limbaugh, Cheney are all in the same Gang & Fox News screaming their virtues ... Watching this cartoon is cheaper than going to Disney ... The party of FOOLS is entertaining.

Posted by: wasaUFO | November 15, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

UNSPEAKABLE MICROWAVE/LASER TORTURE FOR JOURNO WHO WON'T SHUT UP

• Did Multi-Agency Fed Extrajudicial Targeting and Torture "Matrix" Help Drive Ft. Hood Shooter Over the Edge?

JOURNO TO FBI: TAKE CONTROL OF DHS-RUN FUSION CENTERS
TO STOP SILENT MICROWAVE / LASER ATTACKS ON U.S. CITIZENS

See article, "comments" section:

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-tortures-me-silent-microwave-weapons-ousted-s-prez

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if links are corrupted / disabled): http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: GOV'T TORTURES ME," "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 15, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I concur totally with HughBriss comment about Guiliani's moral credibility regarding 9/11 and his support for convicted felon Bernard Kerik. It would be best for Guiliani to cease and desist. The trial of alleged 9/11 master mind in civilian court is the only way to rebuild our nation's credibility in the eyes of the international community. This is just the beginning. We also need to establish a civilian oversight committee on Homeland Security, and roll back some of the more nefarious sections of the Patriot Act that runs counter to the principles of our Constitutional democracy.

Posted by: kerryberger | November 15, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Giuliani's moral credibility regarding 9/11 has been permanently tarnished by his long association with convicted felon Bernard Kerik.

First, Giuliani elevated Kerik from bodyguard to chief of the NYPD. And then Giuliani touted Kerik to be Homeland Security czar under President Bush.

And yes, this is the same Bernard Kerik who commandeered an apartment that was intended for the R&R of rescue workers at Ground Zero so he could have a secret hiding place to play hide-the-salami with his publisher, Judith Regan, much as Giuliani carried on a secret sexual affair with his current wife while still married to his second wife, the mother of his children.

Posted by: HughBriss | November 15, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

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