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Palin flirts with Obama birth certificate questions

By Garance Franke-Ruta
Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin gave support Thursday to a conspiracy theory promoted by fringe groups, that President Obama may not have an American birth certificate, saying, "I think the public rightfully is still making it an issue."

Palin's comments came in an interview on "The Rusty Humphries Show", a conservative radio program, while promoting her book about the 2008 presidential campaign, "Going Rogue."

"I think it's a fair question, just like I think past associations and past voting records -- all of that is fair game," the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee said when asked if she thought Obama's citizenship was a fair question to examine. Those who ask such questions about the birth certificate have become known as "birthers" and are a persistent and vocal presence in GOP circles, especially within the Tea Party movement that has sprung up over the course of 2009. Palin has agreed to be the keynote speaker at the First National Tea Party Convention at the Opryland Hotel in Nashville Feb. 4-6.

But as news of her comments spread online, Palin seemingly thought the better of her approach and took to Facebook to say that, while she may have said she supports others questioning the president about his citizenship, she herself has not raised such questions.

"At no point - not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews - have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States," Palin wrote in a Facebook note posted at 1:16am Eastern time Friday, under the headline "Stupid Conspiracies."

"Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I've pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask... which they have repeatedly," she wrote.

On the Humphries show, Palin said she thought she would not need to raise questions about Obama's citizenship herself, should she seek to challenge him for office in 2012, because others would do so.

"Would you make the birth certificate an issue if you ran?" Humphries asked.

"Um, I think the public rightfully is still making it an issue. I don't have a problem with that. I don't know if I would have to bother to make it an issue, 'cause I think enough members of the electorate still want answers," Palin said.

Questioning Obama's birth certificate would be turnabout as fair play, suggested Palin, because of "that weird conspiracy-theory freaky thing that people talk about, that Trig isn't my real son. And a lot of people, well, 'You need to produce his birth certificate. You need to prove that he's your kid,' which we have done. But uh, yeah. So maybe we can reverse that and use the same [inaudible word] type-thinking on the other one."

Palin is among the most high-profile members of the GOP to encourage doubts about the legitimacy of the president on citizenship grounds. Such questions were investigated by staffers on the McCain-Palin campaign during 2008, former general counsel Trevor Potter told The Washington Independent in July, and found them baseless.

"To the extent that we could, we looked into the substantive side of these allegations," Potter said. "We never saw any evidence that then-Senator Obama had been born outside of the United States. We saw rumors, but nothing that could be sourced to evidence. There were no statements and no documents that suggested he was born somewhere else.

"On the other side, there was proof that he was born in Hawaii," Potter added. "There was a certificate issued by the state's Department of Health, and the responsible official in the state saying that he had personally seen the original certificate. There was a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser, which would be very difficult to invent or plant 47 years in advance."

A spokesperson for Republican National Committee that same month said chairman Michael Steele believed that questions about Obama's birth certificate were "an unnecessary distraction". He "believes that the president is a U.S. citizen," spokesperson Gail Gitcho told The Plum Line.

By Garance Franke-Ruta  |  December 4, 2009; 1:34 PM ET
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Ok, I'm calling an end to this thread. Time of death: 8:42 AM. I'm going golfing now : )

Posted by: JakeD | December 9, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

thehamptons1 - my answers BELOW

What's amazing by all this Palin muck, is that Obama has enough negative baggage to derail any presidential candidate.
> WRONG, HE WON! REMEMBER?

Wright, Ayers, > SO WHAT

radically liberal > NOT TRUE

razed by an avowed communist > RIDICULOUS

unsure where he was born > RIDICULOUS

muslim schooling > WRONG

cabinet members and "czars" with socialist and marxist leanings > WRONG

I'm not a Palin supporter but she's got a better resume' than Obama by a long shot. > VERY VERY WRONG

You are a WINGNUT

Posted by: gregp1 | December 8, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Grandma - I will be GLAD to answer your questions becasuse YOU seem genuinely interetsed in the truth, not just winning a silly argument (like certain people). I did look at your links. This links are not objective. They are biased conspiracy theorists. I looked at FActcheck.org and Huffington Post. Fact check is objective and would never participate in a conspiracy, thats RIDICULOUS. Huff Post is not objective, they would jump on Palin at every opportunity, yet they also debunked this rumur of a faked pregancy. There is no need to fabricate ANYTHING when PAILIN is GUILTY of so much - she needs no help from speculation.

Posted by: gregp1 | December 8, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

thehamptons1:

I appreciate that you are not a Palin supporter, but consider the alternative. If the choice is really between Obama or Palin in 2010, who would you vote for?

Posted by: JakeD | December 8, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

What's amazing by all this Palin muck, is that Obama has enough negative baggage to derail any presidential candidate. Wright, Ayers, radically liberal, razed by an avowed communist, unsure where he was born, muslim schooling, cabinet members and "czars" with socialist and marxist leanings, ACORN, etc. etc. etc.. Yet, it just doesn't matter in his case.
I'm not a Palin supporter but she's got a better resume' than Obama by a long shot. I think Mayor and Governor trump community organizer and Chicago political machine flunky. But, for some reason in his case, it just doesn't matter.

Posted by: thehamptons1 | December 8, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Once again, I won.

Posted by: JakeD | December 8, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

ProChoiceGrandma (since you AGAIN refused to answer my questions to you, I will provide the answers you seem too scared to provide):

1) Yes.

2) Yes.

3) No.

I will not be answering any more of your questions.

Posted by: JakeD | December 8, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

I have not ordered a copy of my birth certificate in the past few years, but I am also not claiming to be President of the United States. Do you believe that the State of Hawaii would refuse to release everything they had if he simply called a press conference and said "I have nothing to hide, so I authorize the State of Hawaii to release any and all vital records pertaining to my birth"? This issue is not "closed".

As for CBJ's letter, I have read it. It is clear to me that it refers to SARAH Palin's latest pregnancy with Trig. That's at least the clear implication. Gov. Palin also writes in her book that Trig is her biological child. That is all more than an "iota" of evidence and qualitatively different than Obama claiming "I was born in Hawaii".

If the letter is a forgery, why hasn't CBJ come forward? Also, if the CBJ letter is a forgery, couldn't the Obama "certification of live birth" also be a forgery? Enquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: JakeD | December 8, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Gregp1,
I had hoped that you would at least look at the links. Please tell me what source you used as your resource to so quickly and conclusively claim the fake pregnancy is false. If you used FactCheck.org, they have never updated their research since September 2008. The picture they used conveniently appeared on or about 8-31-08, but the source of that picture took down their flickr account later. The picture, referred to as the Andrea Gusty picture, was posed on 4-13-08. It is easy to slap on a fake pregnancy belly and LOOK 8 months pregnant, but it is impossible to look totally flat on 4-8-08, five days earlier, if one were actually pregnant.

http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/09/shapeshifting-sarah-palin.html

This article will explain about the 4-13-08 Andrea Gusty picture:

http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/10/palinbots-have-finally-proven-that.html

If you have any questions, I would be happy to answer.

Posted by: ProChoiceGrandma | December 7, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
1. The letter from Dr. Cathy Baldwin-Johnson is either forged or was modified by Sarah Palin or someone on her behalf. It fails to state anything about Sarah’s two previous miscarriages, which has just been learned from her book “Going Rogue”. That would be part of her medical history. Did you even look at the letter?

2. I believe CBJ assisted with Bristol’s pregnancy with Trig, who was born in January 2008. However, I now believe that CBJ had no idea that a few weeks later Sarah would fake a pregnancy to cover for the embarrassment of her then 16 yr old daughter’s pregnancy, and the birth of a Down syndrome baby. Sarah began wearing long scarves on 2-19-08 and then announced she was 7 months pregnant on 3-5-08, the day after John McCain won the Republican nomination. CBJ has refused to comment, and even brought an attorney with her for an interview, which was then cancelled.

3. Regarding President Obama’s birth certificate, have you ordered a copy of your birth certificate in the past few years? As far as I know, you can no longer get the old “long” form. My children are grown adults, but even when they were younger, their birth certificates were the “short” form, unlike mine. But I have no idea where my bc is, so if I were to order another certified copy of my birth certificate, it would be the “short” form. But President Obama’s birth certificate is a closed issue.

And JakeD, I am always pleased to have a civil conversation.

Posted by: ProChoiceGrandma | December 7, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

ProChoiceGrandma:

As long as you answer my questions to you in a civil manner (unlike certain others), I will always return you the same courtesy.

Posted by: JakeD | December 7, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - You are a coward picking on Grandma! You can only win an argument against the irrational fringe on the left and you are only supported by the irrational fringe on he right. Apparently, you quit arguing with my reasoned approach. Good choice. LOL.

Posted by: gregp1 | December 7, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

ProChoiceGrandma:

I am glad you return, and I was not using the word "certified" as in "registered" letter, return receipt requested. Assuming arguendo that Gov. Palin's doctor has a basis for asserting Trig is Sarah Palin's biological child, you haven't answered my questions to you:

1) By "one iota" you are not including the certified letter from her doctor (link below)?

2) Or, do you think her doctor is lying as well? (While your subsequent posts imply as much, I think I deserve an answer)

3) In case Dr. Fukino is lying too, can we see Obama's birth certificate?

Posted by: JakeD | December 7, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Prochoicegrandma - I was calling your story a HOAX. I researched it and found it to be FALSE. You should not be delighted, you should be embarrassed. You are just a conspiracy wingnut on the left. Just like JokeD is on the FAR right. You both lack credibility and reason.

Posted by: gregp1 | December 7, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Jake D,

First of all, the letter purportedly from Dr. Cathy Baldwin-Johnson was NOT certified. You are wrong.

Here is the PDF of the actual letter produced by the McCain campaign at 10:30 pm on the evening before Election Day. First of all, notice that the body of the letter is CROOKED on the page (PUN intended), and the letterhead is straight. No original signature. Not medical records.
http://www.latimes.com/media/acrobat/2008-11/43179602.pdf

Here is the discussion from Palin’s Deceptions on 2-16-09:
http://palindeception.blogspot.com/2009/02/purloined-letter.html

Here is an excellent description of all the things that are questionable about the letter supposedly provided by Dr. Cathy Baldwin-Johnson.
http://www.ottoline.net/PalinHoax/PalinMedicalLetter2-3-09(2).pdf

Posted by: ProChoiceGrandma | December 7, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Gregp1, I am delighted! We want to know who has muzzled the media regarding her fake pregnancy, as well as who are the forces who assisted Sarah Palin in covering up her bizarre idea to fake a pregnancy. It is unfortunate that there are no modern day Woodward and Bernstein investigative journalists. IMO, this tops Watergate.

It is only within the past 4-6 weeks that HuffPo has begun allowing comments about the fake pregnancy. Previously, their moderators were Gestapo-like in preventing comments having anything to do with the pregnancy hoax. The general public has no idea and they have been kept in the dark. I am waiting to see if any of the FOIA emails that were requested in September 2008, 15 months ago, will reveal further evidence of her hoax, which is why she has been so deperate to stop the production of those documents.

http://palingates.blogspot.com/search/label/babygate

Posted by: ProChoiceGrandma | December 7, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

ProchoiceGrandma - Your story that Palin faked her pregancy is FALSE. Conspiracy theories are a distraction. I Love to hate Sarah Palin as much as anyone, but this story is just as false as the Birther story. Get real, don't lower yourself to JokeD status.

Posted by: gregp1 | December 7, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - Having the "last word" may satisfy your needy emotional state, but it means nothing in a debate, which you clearly LOST. Anybody care to vote on whether JakeD was convincing with his birther argument?

ProChoiceGrandma - Great story about the fake pregnancy. If true, that is amazing. I will do somefact checking on that..

Posted by: gregp1 | December 7, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Jake D, the outrage is the fact that Sarah Palin faked a pregnancy for her political image. There is no outrage that "she" didn't abort Trig - those are your words! It should be the choice of the birth mother (who was not Sarah Palin) whether to carry a baby to term or abort if there are severe defects, not for anyone else to decide for her.

Posted by: ProChoiceGrandma | December 7, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I guess I got the last word on this thread too (see you all next time : )

Posted by: JakeD | December 7, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain made the point on MTP yesterday that they can't "attack her and attack her and attack her" yet claim she's irrelevant. Perhaps your side should get some new talking points. I think that I've rebutted all of them on this thread.

Posted by: JakeD | December 7, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Others here have admitted their outrage that she (or whomever birthed Trig, I guess) didn't abort him. That, and the fear she could actually become President, are fueling these attacks.

Posted by: JakeD | December 7, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I could just as easily jump to similar conclusion: "Obama will never produce his original birth certificate because it will show that he was not born in Honolulu". I don't use the word "never" though.

Posted by: JakeD | December 7, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

ProChoiceGrandma:

By "one iota" you are not including the certified letter from her doctor (link below)? Or, do you think her doctor is lying as well? Also, Trig is NOT running for President. In case Dr. Fukino is lying too, can we see Obama's birth certificate?

(I bet you don't actually answer these questions)

Posted by: JakeD | December 7, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

This article TOTALLY skipped over the fact that Sarah Palin said "which we have done" which implied that she had produced the birth certificate of Trig or otherwise proved he is her "kid".

"And a lot of people, well, 'You need to produce his birth certificate. You need to prove that he's your kid,' which we have done."

She has not produced Trig's birth certificate nor one iota of evidence that she actually gave birth to the special needs child that she uses as a political prop.

At the RNC, Sarah Palin offered up her then 17 yr old daughter (who was conveniently claimed to be 5 months pregnant) as the only "proof" that the daughter could not be the real mother of 4/12 month old Trig, therefore Sarah must be the mother, despite the rumors in late 2007/early 2008 that the daughter was pegnant.

HOWEVER, Trig was born as early as January 2008 and kept hidden until his staged presentation as a 5 week preemie newborn on 4-18-08. No one knew to be looking for him. Sarah announced her "seven month pregnancy" on 3-5-08, the day AFTER McCain won the Republican nomination.

Sarah Palin has pulled the biggest hoax in American political history, yet so-called journalists have tiptoed around this issue. The significance of Palin’s pregnancy hoax is not just the incredibly bizarre judgment of Sarah Palin to actually fake a pregnancy, but who has assisted her in covering up her stupid judgment, and why. And why has the media kept the facts from the general public?

Here are the best resources:
palingates.blogspot.com
breepalin.blogspot.com

Please, by all means, do some fact checking. Sarah Palin will never produce Trig’s birth certificate because it will show that he was not born on 4-18-08!

Posted by: ProChoiceGrandma | December 7, 2009 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else?

Posted by: JakeD | December 6, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - What "African American" did you vote for?

Posted by: gregp1 | December 6, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - You are living proof that loudmouth wingnuts have no substance to their argument. Thank you for being my foil. Together we will educate expose your inability to defend your positions. Thank you for the evidence of that.

Posted by: gregp1 | December 6, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

BOBSTER - I AGREED qith you on Palins misteps, not that this country would never elect a woman president. Hillaryt came close. Had she beaten Ohbama, she would have easily beat McCain-Failin'.

Posted by: gregp1 | December 6, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

BOBSTER - You are wrong this country will never elecet a female president. That staement is misogynistic. Palin has NO chance becasue she is woefully unqualified, and way too far right to win, but Hillary came very close. I hate to admit it but I agree with JokeD on this one...

Posted by: gregp1 | December 6, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

msjn1:

I support her, and I voted for the African-American last time.

Posted by: JakeD | December 6, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Sarah for President? She's the great white trash hope. Get that black man out of the white house. She can't complete a job. He husband holds down several jobs when he works and now lives off hert book royalties. Her daughter had an out of wedlock child. She named her kids with pet names. She still acts like she's the prom queen. She now hangs out in malls and big box stores to sell her book, no big city book stores that sell literature. She shoots her dinner. Need any more proof? Yes, her supporters don't like black or half black people.

Posted by: msjn1 | December 6, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

How do you know that Levi and Bristol never (there's that word again) intend to marry? And obviously "we" all don't know what happened to that Alaska State Trooper ex-husband of Palin's sister because is still a State Tooper (are you talking about the Trooper's boss who REFUSED to fire him and resigned himself?). It doesn't seem like you have the full story on anything. The McCain campaign bought those clothes for her, they were all returned, and the FEC ruled there was no campaign law violation. She never claimed that her visit to Ireland lasted more than 20 minutes. You are also aware that the McCain campaign set up the "prank call" right, and the same two radio hosts even pranked NICOLAS SARKOZY.

Posted by: JakeD | December 6, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Bobster - AGREED

Posted by: gregp1 | December 6, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - Apparently you see only what agrees with you and ignore the rest. The only thing worse than ignorance is selective ignorance designed to inflame the masses. You are guilty and do not have the grace to be embarrassed. As I posted earlier below


... from an agent at the Hawaii Department of Health, she said too much was being made of the difference between the so-called "long" and "short" forms.

"They're just words," said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. "That (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii."

Posted by: gregp1 | December 6, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

BOBSTERII:

Assuming arguendo that a woman can be elected President, let's start with your first "objection". When did Gov. Palin ever preach and/or teach absteinance?

Posted by: JakeD | December 6, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

aaand JakeD

You are right, never say never, but I meant metaphorically, not literaly. But, if you just look back (last 30 to 40 years), it was just a question when black man will be the president and who will it be, but there were only people fighting against it, because they knew it was highly possible. Regarding a woman as president, it was always possible, but not too many people want it and the door was always shut on any hopefull woman unfortunately. Got to admit, Palin has a chance to the ticket, but the door more likely will be shut, because she is nit a game player (the game of elite men, and only men, and bankers)

Posted by: BOBSTERII | December 6, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

-Preached and teached to us about abssence in sex while her 16 yr old daughter got pregnant. She tried to make it all glossy and fine by telling that they intend to marry pretty soon. Now after really short time, we all know that she was lying about that.

-And we all know what happened to Alaska State Trooper, who is an ex-husband of Palin sister; Palin set him up and fired him from his job.

-We all know about her shopping spree at NY 5th Avenuue for clothing that she bought with election fund money and suppose to donate that clothing, but she took it home.

-We all know about her claim that she visited Ireland (or maybe England, I am not sure), but that was just a refuling of her plane in one of those countries, which lasted baout 20 minutes.

-She has no idea about way too many things that are important regarding; Security, Terrorism, Economy, Media, Foreign Policy and etc; but she claims that she is very experienced in most of them.

-DON'T FORGET THAT PRANK CALL FROM NICOLAS SARKOZY.

-And last but not least; EVERY TIME SHE IS FACED WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS GREAT COUNTRY, SHE COMES WITH THE LABEL ON HER FOREHAED; S T U P I D ! ! ! and don't tell me there was no reason for, she is labeled stupid, for reason,even form republicans.

ALL OF THIS ADDS UP TO CHARACTER AND MORALL DAMAGE, AND SHE DAMAGED IT, NOBODY ELSE.

Posted by: BOBSTERII | December 6, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

rharring:

Please see my posts, below, as to the differences between the original "long form" birth certificate which has not been released and the "short form" certification of live birth, which has been released. None of us can just get on a plane to Hawaii and ask for EITHER form. Obama has to consent to their disclosure.

Posted by: JakeD | December 6, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

BOBSTERII:

People said the same thing about "no black will ever be President" so never say never. As for Gov. Palin specifically being of "bad character and morally not a normal person" in your opinion what's the one, best example of that? Please PLEASE tell me it's because she didn't abort Trig.

Posted by: JakeD | December 6, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The-edge,

I believe they have proved this numerous times, if your not satisfied get on a plane and go to Hawaii and check yourself.

Posted by: rharring | December 6, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

P.S. it was actually June of 1987 (not 2007) six and one-half years into his Presidency that he had the "cajones" to say those words. I think we can cut PRIVATE CITIZEN Palin a little slack for now.

Posted by: JakeD | December 6, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

If any of us think (including Palin), that we can have a clean cut guy (that's right guy, because woman will never be the president of this country) ellected as president, then you really have no idea how this world works and how it intends to work. Still, not even clean cut guy, can be a president but must have a good character and be morally good person. Deffintetely sounds like Obama and defiinetely not Sarah Palin. She has bad character and morally is not a normal person, but that is why I would like her to run for president and come all the way to the end and pack back to Russian wasteland; ALASKA!!!!

Posted by: BOBSTERII | December 6, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The-Edge:

Even Ronald Reagan had to wait until he WAS President to say those words. Don't worry, because once again Gov. Palin may have just added the right push to this public debate where Obama is no longer able prevent the release. I wouldn't be surprised if she authorizes the State of Hawaii to release her original birth certificate as the straw that broke the camel's back. Thanks for your post though. As you can see, I've been single-handedly making the case against Obama for the entire thread : )

Posted by: JakeD | December 6, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Dear Fellow Americans,

I wish former Governor Sarah Palin had Reagan's boldness, tenacity, and quite frankly the "cahoonas" that were self evident, when President Reagan said to President Mikhail Govrbachev, June 12, 2007 ... "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall"; and just ask Mr. Obama,

"Where's the birth certificate?"

The US Constitution Article 2 Section 1 states,

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Moreover,

Before he (Mr. Obama) enter on the Execution of his Office, he (Mr. Obama) shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

"I (Barack Hussein Obama) do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I (B.H. Obama) will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

As did Palin, for the Office of Governor for the state of Alaska swear to uphold the US Constitution.

Whereas, under the threat of perjury, all elected government officials, including Palin, McCain, and yes, Mr. Obama, "solemnly swear" to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Therefore, it is a fair and appropriate question to ask, and quite frankly expect evidential certified proof affirming the qualifications for anyone when seeking the office and candidacy for president of the United States of America.

The question, isn't whether Mr. Obama is, or isn't President, but rather, is the US Constitution being adhered to, respected, and honor, as the founding fathers intended, as the law of the land, in spirit and in truth, or not?

The certified birth certificate is a simple $15 document; and should be followed with a release and motion for discovery; granting full disclosure ending the debate once and for all.

Mr. Obama pledged, and promised to the American people to be "open and transparent".

Yet, Mr. Obama spends millions to suppress all and any pertinent and relevant documents, and all and any evidential proof, to those whom dare asks, Mr. Obama,

"Where's the birth certificate?"

So Sarah, like Reagan, ask the tough questions, needing to be asked. Show presidential boldness and leadership for America, and stand up and say,

Mr. Obama, "Where's the birth certificate?"

Posted by: The-Edge | December 6, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

From the FactCheck.org link (for the last time):

The long-form birth certificate includes additional information "such as [doctor's signature] birth weight and parents' hometowns."

Does anyone else want to discuss that?

Posted by: JakeD | December 6, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

JakeD - WRONG AGAIN. You are EXPOSED in all you FOOLISH GLORY...

Politfact debunks “Longform” question here–

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/

When we spoke to a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, she said too much was being made of the difference between the so-called "long" and "short" forms.

"They're just words," said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. "That (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii."

"There's only one form of birth certificate," she said, and it's been the same since the 1980s. Birth certificates evolve over the decades, she said, and there are no doubt differences between the way birth certificates looked when Obama was born and now.

"When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site," she said. "That's the birth certificate."

As for the theory that Obama's original birth certificate might show he was foreign-born, Okubo said the "Certification of Live Birth" would say so. Obama's does not. Again, it says he was born in Honolulu.


Factcheck debunks JakeD right here –
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Posted by: gregp1 | December 5, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - What a cop out. Rather than concede to overwhelming evidence and reason, you simply spin an alternate theory. How pathetic.

Posted by: gregp1 | December 5, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

No one at Snopes.com or Huffingtonpost.com (least of all Brian Levin) has seen Barack Obama's original long form birth certificate. Snopes looked at the short form that was released on the Web, that FactChecker looked at, and that could have been produced from Obama being born outside of Hawaii.

Posted by: JakeD | December 5, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

If anyone else wants to debate the similarities vs. differences between 'certification of [live] birth,' also known as a short-form, and a long form birth certificate, let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | December 5, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

JakeD – Here is PROOF that your conspiracy theory is a blatant FALSEHOOD. It appears you are quite gullible. OBAMA DID release his birth certificate.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-levin-jd/sarahs-dance-with-conspir_b_379831.html

Posted by: gregp1 | December 5, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - SOrry, you are wrong again. Obama was not fighting that lawsuit. The lawsuit was dismissed as frivolous. In another thread you claimed 23 complaints against Palin were dismissed (this is unverified) and that is WHY you support her as a victim. Yet the ONE example you put forth against Obama was also dismissed (verified). Your lack of consistency is self serving to fit you predisposition against Obama. Is that civil enough for you SIR?

YOU SAID ..
As I already said, in the post below I linked to a CBS story that shows ONE lawsuit Obama is fighting to prevent disclosure of his original birth certificate -- there are more lawsuits than just that one -- but that's what I was asked for. The fact that Obama won't simply allow the release DOES provide circumstantial evidence to support my birther argument. It is not contradictory. I am also no longer answering your questions in a civil manner only because you have failed to give me the same common courtesy in return. It has nothing to do with "failing to rebut" as you can see I've answered every other questioner on this very long thread.

Have a nice life.

Posted by: JakeD | December 5, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gregp1 | December 5, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Enough....Garance Franke-Ruta go back to France. Don't get involved in something that will make you look STUPID. Birds of a feather flock together...get what I mean?

Bring It

Posted by: lindarc | December 5, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

ENOUGH...

Posted by: lindarc | December 5, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

From that FactCheck.org link:

"The document is a 'certification of [live] birth,' also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as [doctor's signature] birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate ... We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response."

Posted by: JakeD | December 5, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

hastingst:

To answer your question, I don't know where Trig's birth certificate is, and I have never seen it, but I assume the Palins have an original in a safe deposit box and one is filed with the appropriate government agency in the State of Alaska. What she meant when she said that she has proven Trig is her biological child is that she provided the doctor's letter that I linked to. I know you keep ignoring that fact, but it is still one scintilla of evidence to support her claim of being Trig's mother. The fact that she wrote about the circumstances of her pregnancy, discovering Trig had Downs syndrome, her early labor, and her birth of Trig, is also evidence.

She doesn't have to provide a copy of the birth certificate, nor does the doctor have to answer questions. What part of "Trig is not running for President" are you not understanding?

P.S. "independent" groups like FactCheck.org have specifically admitted they have asked for but were never provided Obama's birth certificate. They were only provided a "Certification of Live Birth" http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Sarah Palin is not "flat-out lying" about anything.

Posted by: JakeD | December 5, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

gregp1:

As I already said, in the post below I linked to a CBS story that shows ONE lawsuit Obama is fighting to prevent disclosure of his original birth certificate -- there are more lawsuits than just that one -- but that's what I was asked for. The fact that Obama won't simply allow the release DOES provide circumstantial evidence to support my birther argument. It is not contradictory. I am also no longer answering your questions in a civil manner only because you have failed to give me the same common courtesy in return. It has nothing to do with "failing to rebut" as you can see I've answered every other questioner on this very long thread.

Have a nice life.

Posted by: JakeD | December 5, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - Below, I have EXPOSED your flawed thinking once AGAIN, to the point that you are unable to make another silly retort. You are rather easy to discredit. Thank you for the esposing the flaw in your "research" - LOL.

In the post below you link to a CBS story you claim supports your birther argument, yet the story debunks it, ending with information that the birther attorney who filed the lawsuit was fined $20,000 by the judge for "abusing her power as an attorney". It seems you have a habit of posting links which contradict you entirely. Are you aware of this deeply flawed practice of yours? DO you even read your own sources?


overdrive_68:

Is CBS News "left wing" enough for you? Obama has fought releasing his ORIGINAL birth certificate in dozens of lawsuits:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/29/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5452727.shtml

If there's nothing to hide about this very basic CONSTITUTIONAL QUALIFICATION, why not just hand it over?

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gregp1 | December 5, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me?! Trig is not running for President. And, I never said that I have his birth certificate.

Posted by: JakeD | December 5, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

So where's Trig's birth certificate?

Posted by: hastingst | December 5, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Nope, as far as I can tell, the Washington Post has NEVER used the word "flirts" as to either Clinton (even re: Lewinsky?!). Interesting.

http://www.google.com/m/search?oe=UTF-8&client=safari&hl=en&q=site%3Awashingtonpost.com++%22clinton+flirts%22

Posted by: JakeD | December 5, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

SharkMan2:

Of course it's OK to question McCain's status, but I already gave you the answer below. My CBS link was to prove there are lawsuits that Obama is fighting. Also, comments on this very thread deny that there ever was an original birth certificate, but you don't see me calling those people "intellectually disabled". As long as you answer my questions without resorting to ad hominem personal attacks against me, I will return the same common courtesy.

If you, or anyone besides gregp1, want to discuss this further, I will make an exception and work the weekend. Just let me know.

BTW: did the WaPo EVER use the word "flirts" in a headline about Bill Clinton?

Posted by: JakeD | December 5, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

The Huffington Post comments on this topic explain why the birthers are so intellectually disabled.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-levin-jd/sarahs-dance-with-conspir_b_379831.html

Posted by: gregp1 | December 5, 2009 4:05 AM | Report abuse

JakeD - In the post below you link to a CBS story you claim supports your birther argument, yet the story debunks it, ending with indformation that the birther attorney who filed the lawsuit was fined $20,000 by the judge for "abusing her powre as an attorney". It seems you have a habit of posting links which contradict you entoirely. Are you aware of this deeply flawed practice of yours? DO you even read your own sources?


overdrive_68:

Is CBS News "left wing" enough for you? Obama has fought releasing his ORIGINAL birth certificate in dozens of lawsuits:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/29/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5452727.shtml

If there's nothing to hide about this very basic CONSTITUTIONAL QUALIFICATION, why not just hand it over?

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gregp1 | December 5, 2009 3:40 AM | Report abuse

If it's ok to question Obama's birth certificate, then it must be ok to question McCain's too. After all, he was born in Panama.

Posted by: SharkMan2 | December 5, 2009 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Is Obama's birth certificate a valid a question? Poll


http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=6593


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Posted by: usadblake | December 5, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

hastingst:

As I said, below, Trig is not running for President (yet) so his birth certificate is irrelevant. I also provided you Sarah Palin's doctor's certification that Trig is Sarah's natural-born son.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

You have to look at the motivations of the majority of the birthers to understand why they simply cannot "let go". Fundamentally, it comes down to the following mindset: "I cannot accept THAT man in the White House because.... (fill in the blank)."

Just about ANY reason will do -- any excuse that will legitimize their race-based outrage. If it wasn't about a birth certificate, it would be about his middle name. (He's a closet Muslim, you know.)

In addition, there are a handful of unscrupulous politicians and pundits who, although not necessarily racist themselves, have no problem capitalizing on the bigotry of others by fueling their fear and hatred of Obama in order to score political points or further a personal agenda.

Posted by: labman57 | December 4, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

So let's summarize:

According to Palin, when right wing nut-jobs accuse Obama of being foreign-born, it's all good.

However, the news media reporting on right wing nut-jobs accusing Obama of being foreign-born is heinous.

Got it.

Posted by: labman57 | December 4, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

So where's Trig's birth certificate?

Posted by: hastingst | December 4, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

This "article" is an attempt to get the public off the real issues like health care and cap and tax being job killers, Obama's war in Afghanistan, and the over 17% REAL unemployment rate.

And by the comments, it's working.

This article was nothing but boob bait.

Posted by: bandmom22 | December 4, 2009 3:39 PM |

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Bandmom22 are you saying that Sarah Palin is actually doing this silliness to support President Obama's agenda so that it will pass quickly and easily?

I thought she was doing it to sell books and I thought the whole "birther" thing started in the first place because John McCain was NOT born in the US and because he was born before the 1952 laws extending citizenship from parents, that he is actually not a natural born US citizen and technically, he should have been naturalized.

Posted by: Prosperity2008 | December 4, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

____________________________

No you boob. What I said was this article is just a distraction from reporting on the real issues facing us as a country. Then the howling hordes of Palin haters jump in to vilify her and the congresswh-res and Obamanistas can do what they want to our economy with impunity because everyone is haring off on stupid stuff like this.

Boob bait. IE Bait on which boobs get distracted.

Posted by: bandmom22 | December 4, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

That last post was a freebie (I am really gone for the weekend now, but I enjoyed the "perfect storm" thread of Palin, Obama's "birth certificate" and the TEA Party Convention 2/6/10 ; )

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

First of all, I couldn't get onto that web site, but cameras and other recording devices are not permitted in the book signings. Look, she is NOT questioning Obama's birthplace (yet). No doubt, on the other side, there's a "Certificate of Live Birth" issued by the State's Department of Health, and the responsible official in the State saying that she had personally seen the original "vital records". There's also the birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser. I dealt with all of those points below.

Second, you people can't claim that Obama's birth certificate is irrelevant and then DEMAND that she produce hers. It's called "logic" and "consistency". Try it sometime.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

What did you expect, Sarah's in republican red neck country down texas way...all red neck texans like G Bush are airheads.. Sarahs in Airhead heaven.
Sarah Palins birth certificate states that she was born "Brain Dead", check it out, ask Sarah to provide her Birth Certificate.

Posted by: dogon1 | December 4, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

They have a grainy vid of her discussing Obama's birth certificate at a Book signing with a fan.. as long as they have not removed it. http://www.HucakbeeShow.com

Posted by: furberry | December 4, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

OK, my job is done then. Have a great weekend everyone!!!

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

I guess that koolkat_1960 and frantaylor are gone now too. What a shame ; )

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I just noticed that Gov. Palin giving the keynote speech at the TEA Party Convention on February 6th coincides with Ronald Reagan's birthday.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

racam:

Does the following qualify as "nothing is out of bounds" or "whining / crying" to you?

"Let me be as clear as possible, I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance."

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Back on topic, today Gov. Palin urged the United States should rededicate itself to seeking God’s will, arguing that a humble spirit would help leaders get more answers on issues such as health care, energy and national security (presumably, that means for Obama to tell the truth about his birthplace too):

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20091204sarah_palin_says_nation_should_rededicate_itself_to_god/srvc=home&position=recent

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

It's ironic that Sarah thinks that nothing is out of bounds for other people but let something get close to her and let the whining begin. She cried all during the election, after the election, and even now that the questions asked about her and her redneck family were so unfair and just not right. But now when the question is about someone else, she thinks there should be no bounds. Well Sarah, you can't have it both ways.

Posted by: racam | December 4, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

In addition, I would argue that Tiger Woods is actually more famous than John Elway (at least this past week ; )

Stanford's current community of scholars includes:

16 Nobel Prize laureates;
136 members of the National Academy of Sciences;
83 members of National Academy of Engineering;
244 members of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences;
19 recipients of the National Medal of Science;
2 recipients of the National Medal of Technology;
27 members of the National Academy of Education;
46 members of American Philosophical Society;
4 Pulitzer Prize winners;
23 MacArthur Fellows;
8 Wolf Foundation Prize winners;
6 Koret Foundation Prize winners; and
3 Presidential Medal of Freedom winners.

NFL quarterbacks Jim Plunkett and Trent Edwards also attended, as well as NFL receiver Gordon Banks, NFL Fullback Jon Ritchie, MLB starting pitcher Mike Mussina, MLB left-fielder Carlos Quentin, Grand Slam winning tennis players John McEnroe (did not graduate) (singles and doubles) and (doubles) Bob and Mike Bryan, Olympic swimmers Jenny Thompson, Summer Sanders and Pablo Morales, Olympic figure skater Debi Thomas, not to mention Japanese Prime Minister, Yukio Hatoyama, and U.S. President Herbert Hoover.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

frantaylor (to recap):

1) koolkat_1960 refers to my "alleged" Stanford Law school graduation;

2) YOU ask "Hey JakeD did you really go to Stanford?"

3) I answered "Yes".

If I didn't go to Stanford undergrad, then the ONLY "school" I could talking about is LAW school -- nonetheless, I am simply answering the question you asked -- I couldn't care less if you thought you excluded Stanford Law.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Along with:

"Combine this gibberish with the rantings of alleged Stanford Law grad JakeD and I'd say Harvard and Yale have nothing to worry about these days."

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | December 4, 2009 5:30 PM

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

frantaylor:

"Hey JakeD did you really go to Stanford?"

December 4, 2009 5:51 PM

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

"I am clearly not into football that much, nor did I know that Mr. Elway graduated from the LAW school."

JakeD the Stanford grad fails basic reading comprehension. Where oh where did I ever mention anything about law school?


Posted by: frantaylor | December 4, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

frantaylor:

I am clearly not into football that much, nor did I know that Mr. Elway graduated from the LAW school.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

chicago77:

You have a good point (although I wouldn't call anyone an "idiot" about being misled like this). Why is it impossible to just release the birth certificate, vital records, whatever Dr. Fukino certified seeing? End this speculation once and for all.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

"Yes, but I thought the law school's most famous graduates were Rehnquist and O'Connor."

WOW!!! JUST WOW!!!

You really think that Rehnquist and O'Connor are more famous than JOHN ELWAY?

You are clearly not of this planet.

Posted by: frantaylor | December 4, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

JoeT1 or hastingst:

Are you gone? After all that work to find you the webs links you asked for ... oh well, maybe next time.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

JoeT1 "there is no such thing as an original birth certificate."

Of course there are original birth certificates. Check yours pal.

Everyone an get a "certified copy" of their own birth certificate with all the vital information required by their state's division of vital statistics.

People like you keep this idiotic story alive.

Posted by: chicago77 | December 4, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

wasaUFO:

You missed the news that all the clothes were returned and the FEC ruled there was no campaign violation, huh?

frantaylor:

Yes, but I thought the law school's most famous graduates were Rehnquist and O'Connor.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

McCain let a kook out of the Wine Bottle when he named her as his Vice Presidential nominee. Can he be held libel ? She's still wearing the clothes the dumb Republicans dressed her in a year ago ... I'd bet it's the same underwear too ... lmao

Posted by: wasaUFO | December 4, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey JakeD did you really go to Stanford?

How does it feel, being a grad of such a high-falutin egghead school, knowing that your most famous graduate is a football player?

Posted by: frantaylor | December 4, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I guess the age of white male presidents is gone for good.

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | December 4, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

FWIW: an additional SEVEN Presidents did not graduate college either: Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, Zachary Taylor, Millard Fillmore, Andrew Johnson, Grover Cleveland, and Harry S Truman.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

lowercaselarry:

You see, funny thing, the DIFFERENCE is that the United States Constitution does not require the President to be a high school graduate (i.e. George Washington and Abraham Lincoln). Any other questions?

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Q: How does a Princeton grad end up in Minnesota?

A: Wrong Exit!

Posted by: frantaylor | December 4, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone ever seen Sarah Palin's high school diploma? Does one exist? Did she ever graduate from any high school? Where's the proof? Why won't she provide documentary proof? What is she hiding?

Posted by: lowercaselarry | December 4, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather read an article about the love life of a clam than see the Alaskan Bimbo & her "Birther" daughter in the news. If she represents the Republican party .... I can't stop laughing.

Posted by: wasaUFO | December 4, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

EricinMD:

If we only had one goal ("...the complete destruction of President Obama"), then we wouldn't have sent the Salahis.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey Straightline, Bill Frist is trying to get in touch with you.

He is upset because you are horning in on his claim to being "Princeton's funniest clown".

Posted by: frantaylor | December 4, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

ripvanwinkleincollege and gamarocchi:

Please see my post to "Keepitforreal". The law is very clear that Obama would NOT be a natural-born citizen if he were born in what is now Kenya.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

From an alleged Princeton grad:

"Well, Well Franny...just the kind of crap that lost you entitlement sucking, pseudo intellectual wannabees the NJ election.

Betting you won't be such a smarty pants libertard (conservatively challenged) after we take the congress back in 2010.

It would serve you angry "because you will never be a real elitist" jerks right if Palin did become President. She certainly couldn't be worse than the community organizing Marxist puppet we have now.

I probably couldn't vote for her but ..it would be great fun watching the libs painfully implode."

Combine this gibberish with the rantings of alleged Stanford Law grad JakeD and I'd say Harvard and Yale have nothing to worry about these days.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | December 4, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

The article's title is extremely misleading. Nowhere in it does Palin say that she doubts Obama's birth certificate, however according to WaPo "Palin Questions Obama's Birth". All she said was that if someone wants to question it, it's their right to do so.

By the way, what does Trig have to do with presidential elections. None of the past presidents or candidates have had to show their children's birth certificates.

Posted by: DCProgressive | December 4, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

The article's title is extremely misleading. Nowhere in it does Palin say that she doubts Obama's birth certificate, however according to WaPo "Palin Questions Obama's Birth". All she said was that if someone wants to question it, it's their right to do so.

By the way, what does Trig have to do with presidential elections. None of the past presidents or candidates have had to show their children's birth certificates.

Posted by: DCProgressive | December 4, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Keepitforreal:

BOTH of John McCain's parents were American citizens though. The issue with Obama is that his underaged mother was the only U.S. citizen. Please see post, below, re: "3. A minimum of 5 of those 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday."

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

The Constitution says that he has to be a "natural born US citizen". Even if he was born in Indonesia or Kenya and the birth was promptly registered in the US, the birth would qualify by that definition as "natural born" just like McCain, who was born in Panama on a US military base. The Constitution was not say "born on US soil". But what if it did? Would that mean that someone born inside an airplane, or born in a ship within territorial waters would be disqualified to be President? It seems that these conservatives, who normally purport to be such sticklers about every little word in the Constitution, only want to do this when it suits their convenience to do so.

Posted by: ripvanwinkleincollege | December 4, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand what the fuss is about. It looks like it's about sure that he was born in America. BESIDES, even had he been born abroad, as the son of an American citizen (I mean the mother) who lived more than 10 years of her life in the US, he would still be an American citizen from birth.

Posted by: gamarocchi | December 4, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"Dr. West would not have fraudulently signed the birth certificate."

Did you know Dr. West? How do you know what he would have done?

Your rantings are exactly why no birther wackjob is ever going to see a "long-form birth certificate. The poster who said you'd find something wrong with that document nailed it. You freaks will never be satisfied.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | December 4, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

".just the kind of crap that lost you entitlement sucking, pseudo intellectual wannabees the NJ election."

Wow, a Princeton guy who thinks that politicians lose elections because of New Jersey jokes.

Now I have a new joke. Thanks!

Posted by: frantaylor | December 4, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

JoeT1:

We don't KNOW why the Army cancelled the deployment orders. Pretty curious timing, though, that it came AFTER the lawsuit was filed. There are more serviceman and women lawsuits, if you want to see those.

ModerateVoter:

I may have missed it, since I'm a little busy right now. If you don't want to clarify, I will be happy to forget it.

askgees:

Legally, Biden is and has been ACTING President of the United States since 12 noon on January 21, 2009. Any purported law, regulation, Executive Order signed by Obama is null and void. I think it would be better to clear this up sooner rather than later.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

There's no fringe about it. In my opinion she is a main-line lunatic.

Posted by: mradams | December 4, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

"Hello from a Princeton grad in northern Minnesota"

Four years of breathing New Jersey air?

I'm surprised you have enough functional neurons to type.

Posted by: frantaylor

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Well, Well Franny...just the kind of crap that lost you entitlement sucking, pseudo intellectual wannabees the NJ election.

Betting you won't be such a smarty pants libertard (conservatively challenged) after we take the congress back in 2010.

It would serve you angry "because you will never be a real elitist" jerks right if Palin did become President. She certainly couldn't be worse than the community organizing Marxist puppet we have now.

I probably couldn't vote for her but ..it would be great fun watching the libs painfully implode.

Posted by: Straightline | December 4, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Are people who voted for Barack Obama, a totally fabricated persona, devoid of any leadership experience or working history, actually calling Palin supporters stupid??

That's rich. Talk about the pot calling the kettle.....

Liberals are all the same. They're so self-absorbed that they have absolutely no clue how mentally impaired their thought process is.

Posted by: RobParker | December 4, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

As I recall, some idiots raised questions about John McCain's right to run for the presidency since he wasn't actually born in the United States. He was born, I believe, in Panama while his father was serving in the U.S. Navy. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that President Obama wasn't born in the United States. He was, though, born to a mother who is an American citizen and would thus, according to the law, be an American citizen by birth, not a naturalized citizen. Does the law say you have to be born within one of the 50 states or that you have to be an American citizen by birth? If it's the latter, then all this blather is all the more moot.

Posted by: Keepitforreal | December 4, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Chicago77: there is no such thing as an original birth certificate. a birth certificate is what the state gives you any time you ask (and pay the fee) its a certificate from the state that their records show your birth. that's usually just an entry made by a clerk on a computer on receipt of a state form completed by a doc or hospital as the vital records statute requires, and may or may not even be kept. give it up already.

Posted by: JoeT1 | December 4, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

"Party aside what would you think if it turned out Obama was not a natural born citizen?"

Really before you can answer that, you have to answer these MUCH MORE pressing questions:

Is the moon made of green cheese?

Who killed Laura Palmer?

Posted by: frantaylor | December 4, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

hastingst:

Trig is not running for President (yet) so his birth certificate is irrelevant. Here's the doctor's certification:

http://www.johnmccain.com/Downloads/110308SHP.pdf

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Nobody outside of complete morons like Sarah Palin are still discussing this issue. The Post and other media outlets need to stop reporting this garbage and once and for all realize that the idiots on the far right have only one goal...the complete destruction of President Obama. Enough already!!

Posted by: EricinMD | December 4, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: it's official. you can't read. the Huffington Post article makes perfectly clear that the serviceman's orders were cancelled because he volunteered and can change his mind for any reason until the moment he steps on the plane, not because they are afraid of litigating it. show me one who otherwise would have no choice but to follow his or her orders. my prediction? you won't be happy with the Keyes case no matter what the outcome.

Posted by: JoeT1 | December 4, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

*Sigh*

Forget it Jaked you missed my point.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | December 4, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Party aside what would you think if it turned out Obama was not a natural born citizen?

Posted by: askgees | December 4, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing what anyone will say when you put a microphone in front of their face. You go girl, I just got my first laugh of the day. Thanks.

Posted by: peter64 | December 4, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

The time wasted on this issue is amazing.

There is no doubt in my mind or the minds of most people that President Obama was born in Hawaii.

But why the original birth certificate isn't authorized for release, in order to stop all the nonsense is baffling.

There is a summary of the facts and discounted theories, at the link below.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Posted by: chicago77 | December 4, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter:

Please review the thread, in general then, to see what names Palin is being called vs. Obama.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I was completely unaware that people were questioning whether Sarah was Trig's mother. That is disgusting.

A fair question is who was the father. Some thought it was Levi. Now that I'm saying I was one of those who thought Levi was Trig's father, it's just that some people thought Levi was and it's fair that they should be able to ask that in a democracy.

Posted by: James10 | December 4, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"I prefer my leader to actually be smart too, not go to six different colleges and believe in which (or even WITCH) craft."

Sorry about the typo, but its good to see that the American education system isn't completely busted.

Posted by: bogardp | December 4, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"Gov. Palin's doctor CERTIFIED that Trig was born to Sarah Louise Palin. Do you want that link?"

Absolutely. Please post it. Give us the birth certificate too.

Posted by: hastingst | December 4, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I hear tell....

Sarah Palin is an inbred, booger eating moron.

Okay, you gun-totin' and wolf shootin' rubes out there...prove me wrong. (as soon as you finish off that next six pack).

Posted by: Genefox1 | December 4, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

arancia12:

Lucky for you, I am not running for President of the United States or any other post which REQUIRES me to be a natural-born citizen.

bogardp:

I prefer my leader to actually be smart too, not go to six different colleges and believe in which (or even WITCH) craft.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter:

I am not the one who has been uncivil to anyone in this thread.

I did not say you did. I meant it in terms of discussions about the president.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | December 4, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin couldn't spell CAT if you spotted her the "C" and the "A."

Posted by: sonny2 | December 4, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"Dr. West would not have fraudulently signed the birth certificate."

How the HECK is the doctor going to be able to tell if she is lying? Tell me do they hook up lie detectors to pregnant mothers?

Posted by: frantaylor | December 4, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

These folks are simply looking for anyone that will go along with their bunch of bull crap. that's all Palin represents!!! these are the same fools that get burned every time in politics.

Posted by: oknow1 | December 4, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

She appears to appeal to "fringe groups".

However, fringe groups, extremists, and racially motivated hate groups do not make up the majority of America's voters.

All she's actually doing is is further irreparable harm to whatever's left of the Republican brand..

Posted by: BellsBlu2 | December 4, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

JakeD in his apparently inebriated state fails to realize that it is THE HOSPITAL that notifies the newspaper about births, not the mother.

Posted by: frantaylor | December 4, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

hastingst:

Gov. Palin's doctor CERTIFIED that Trig was born to Sarah Louise Palin. Do you want that link?

frantaylor:

Dr. West would not have fraudulently signed the birth certificate.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see JakeD's birth certificate posted here for all to see. Until he does he has no legitimacy to challege the President's citizenship.

Post it, baby, post it!

Posted by: arancia12 | December 4, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"As I stated earlier, if Palin runs for President against Obama, she will be elected. My prediction is just as valid as yours."
-Jake D

I'd ask you to pass the bag of paint so I can have a huff, but thats impossible since I am not sitting next to you in your trailer. It is truly sad if you think that she would beat Obama and is a viable candidate for president. I prefer my leaders to actually smart, not go to six different colleges and believe in which craft.

Posted by: bogardp | December 4, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

The strangest part of the article was this:

Questioning Obama's birth certificate would be turnabout as fair play, suggested Palin, because of "that weird conspiracy-theory freaky thing that people talk about, that Trig isn't my real son. And a lot of people, well, 'You need to produce his birth certificate. You need to prove that he's your kid,' which we have done. ..." (emphasis added)

What, exactly, does Sarah mean when she says that she has done these things? Has she ever let anyone see Trig's birth certificate? Has she ever allowed her doctor to answer questions about the birth? Has she ever produced even one scintilla of evidence to support her claim of being Trig's mother?

I can go to an independent group like FactCheck.org and see pictures of Obama's birth certificate ( http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html ), but I don't know of anyplace on the web where I can see the same information on Trig.

Sarah Palin appears to be flat-out lying when she says she has done these things. The Washington Post reporter should have pointed that out.

Posted by: hastingst | December 4, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Palin's remarks should surprise no one. We have known all along she is a card-carrying, member of the Trailer Trash Society.

And how do we know that Levi isn't really her brother, son...lover? Has anyone really seen Levi's birth certificate? Might be her half-son/lover...ya think?

Posted by: Genefox1 | December 4, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"I am not ruling out the possibility that Obama's mother simply lied to the newspapers."

Well then by your logic the birth certificate is not going to help either, because then you will just argue that she lied to the doctor too.

Posted by: frantaylor | December 4, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"frantaylor:

Kapi'olani Medical Center is, indeed, listed -- but that's what I want to confirm with the original BIRTH CERTIFICATE -- unfortunately, Dr. Rodney T. West is no longer alive, but I'm hoping that his signature could be confirmed some other way. When I said that no grand conpsiracy (or time machine) was needed, I am not ruling out the possibility that Obama's mother simply lied to the newspapers. Maybe she didn't want everyone knowing that she had been in AFRICA with a foeign-national who may, or may not, have been legally divorced at the time."

These are the rantings of a deeply disturbed individual.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | December 4, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter:

I am not the one who has been uncivil to anyone in this thread.

bogardp:

As I stated earlier, if Palin runs for President against Obama, she will be elected. My prediction is just as valid as yours.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

guitar1: "I am not real clear on what to make of it, beyond that the Palin phenomenon reinforces my thoughts on the intelligence of a large segment of the population."

Please don't worry. These people who elevate stupidity to a virtue are not a large segment of the population. But compared to their intelligence level, I imagine Palin would appear to be smart.

Posted by: skolniks | December 4, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Will no one rid us of this meddlesome and mouthy woman?

She seriously needs to get a life. I would question her birth but there are no certificates for those who are hatched.

Posted by: arancia12 | December 4, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"Hello from a Princeton grad in northern Minnesota"

Four years of breathing New Jersey air?

I'm surprised you have enough functional neurons to type.

Posted by: frantaylor | December 4, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Birthers needs to teabag deathers. At least this way their mouths will be too busy spouting long debunked conspiracy theories.

Posted by: ualec1 | December 4, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"You are saying that Obama's paternal grandmother isn't "credible"?! Is she a "bigot" then too?"

Please, idiot. As soon as the old woman said that, another relative corrected her.

"and neither McCain, Palin or Clinton would have hesitated for one second to prove Obama was ineligible if they thought there was a one in a million chance of being right. so your lame theory won't fly."

Of course this is correct. The Clintons in particular would have used this to drive Obama out of the race if there were any truth to it. The Clintons are far smarter than any ten thousand rightwingnut teabagger birther drooler morons.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | December 4, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"You are saying that Obama's paternal grandmother isn't "credible"?! Is she a "bigot" then too?"

Please, idiot. As soon as the old woman said that, another relative corrected her.

"and neither McCain, Palin or Clinton would have hesitated for one second to prove Obama was ineligible if they thought there was a one in a million chance of being right. so your lame theory won't fly."

Of course this is correct. The Clintons in particular would have used this to drive Obama out of the race if there were any truth to it. The Clintons are far smarter than any ten thousand rightwingnut teabagger birther drooler morons.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | December 4, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

frantaylor:

Kapi'olani Medical Center is, indeed, listed -- but that's what I want to confirm with the original BIRTH CERTIFICATE -- unfortunately, Dr. Rodney T. West is no longer alive, but I'm hoping that his signature could be confirmed some other way. When I said that no grand conpsiracy (or time machine) was needed, I am not ruling out the possibility that Obama's mother simply lied to the newspapers. Maybe she didn't want everyone knowing that she had been in AFRICA with a foeign-national who may, or may not, have been legally divorced at the time.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

It's really something when the right wing elevates stupidity to a virtue.

Posted by: skolniks | December 4, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kevten: What was left of the Republican Party after November 4 was the dumb, uneducated, southern white male.

---------------------------------------------

Hello from a Princeton grad in northern Minnesota kevten... you libertard

Posted by: Straightline | December 4, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Thank God for Sarah Palin and her defending my right to shoot wolves from helicopters. Please please GOP be the racist homophobe jesus freak wing nuts you have been the last two decades and nominate this woman as your candidate for president. Those communist democrats wouldn't stand a chance.

Posted by: bogardp | December 4, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

An overwhelming majority of Americans, myself included, believe President Obama was born in Hawaii.

That being said, why is impossible, since we have the Freedom of Information Act, for a birth certificate, which is a Public Record, to be made public. End this speculation once and for all.


Posted by: chicago77 | December 4, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

They are not sending the soldier to Iraq because they are probably going to send him to Levenworth instead, for filing frivolous court papers.

Posted by: frantaylor | December 4, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Let’s be clear this is about denying that the current president is legitimate. With that the case (in their little minds), you can say and do whatever you want. Civility is out the window because he does not hold office legitimately. He is an unstart or as Jaked would say a “pretender”.

This is somewhat similar to what happened with Bush and Gore (not nearly as crazy) when Bush took office. There were many that denied his legitimacy and to this day say Bush was not the legitimate president of the US.

My concern is when words become actions. That distance is not far to travel. I fear that someone will decide to remove President Obama in a violent fashion. If it does happen, it will be a Birther or Tea-Bagger I fear.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | December 4, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see Jake has found something to occupy his time in his twilight years.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | December 4, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

JoeT1:

She didn't say it was a "lunatic" conspiracy theory. I think I've answered all of your questions to me. Care to answer my questions to you now.

Hillman1:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/14/stefan-frederick-cook-sol_n_231383.html

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"Birth announcements for foreign-born babies happen all the time. Again, no grand conspiracy (or even time machine) needed."

The announcement specified the hospital in which he was born.

I suppose now you are going to tell me that he had the hospital moved.

Posted by: frantaylor | December 4, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Jake, I don't know what he looked at, maybe just a computer screen. And you're right, you just said that's what would satisfy you. So who cares what would satisfy you? No one in their right mind would ever attempt to satisfy you and all the other birthers who want to see different things, and then more things, and then more things when they see those things and claim they are fake or don't prove anything, and can't make up their mind what would prove anything because they don't know what they are talking about in the first place.

and neither McCain, Palin or Clinton would have hesitated for one second to prove Obama was ineligible if they thought there was a one in a million chance of being right. so your lame theory won't fly. and they could have had someone else do it for cover. again, they didn't.

Posted by: JoeT1 | December 4, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

What was left of the Republican Party after November 4 was the dumb, uneducated, southern white male.

For my small group of Republicans, I took my child's long form and short form birth certificate in to show them. I forced one to read out loud the instructions at the top of the long form, so s/he would understand how it was used. The long form is not acceptable legal proof of identity. I took it to the Social Security Administration and to a middle school for enrollment, and I was told by two different government authorities in two different settings.

The Republicans have to milk the birth certificate for all it's worth in order to do fund raising. Orly Taitz has been sanctioned 20K dollars for bringing her frivolous birther lawsuit before Judge Clay D Land, a Bush appointee. Is Palin going to help Taitz pay the 20K fine? Doubtful.

Posted by: kevten | December 4, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Queen Sarah was actually in my town, Plano, Texas, signing her books and doing her show today. And, sure enough, there were plenty of people lining up to greet their Queen. I am not real clear on what to make of it, beyond that the Palin phenomenon reinforces my thoughts on the intelligence of a large segment of the population.

Posted by: guitar1 | December 4, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

JoeT1:

I am certainly NOT the Messiah, but Major Cook's deployment orders were, in fact, revoked after he filed a lawsuit challenging Obama's birthplace.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/14/stefan-frederick-cook-sol_n_231383.html

(I would hope that HuffPo is an even MORE reliable site for you than CBS News ; )

gr8day4bsbll:

You are saying that Obama's paternal grandmother isn't "credible"?! Is she a "bigot" then too?

frantaylor:

Birth announcements for foreign-born babies happen all the time. Again, no grand conspiracy (or even time machine) needed.

Fate1:

Yes, I have read it, and that was just ONE such lawsuit. I can keep posting more of them if you and overdrive_68 want.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"Going Rouge" more apt title.

Posted by: quinn6 | December 4, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

While the rest of the developed worlds wrestles with diffiuclt issues such as; climate change, a global economic depression, and an increasingly dangerous situation in South Asia, the presumptive Republican nominee weighs-in on what she considers important. Remind me again, where are the Republican's alternative models of governance? Oh right they don't have an answer to anything. Instead, Palin illustrates that what really drives the conservative base is questioning the legitimacy of the nation's first African American President. Really, there cant' be any correlation between the two, could there?

Posted by: MaverickPaff | December 4, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a coward. She likes to face a moose when she has a large rifle, but she hasn't got the courage or the integrity to come out and say "Obama is not a citizen". Instead she encourages others to do the dirty work for her, and if the whole thing collapses, she can bat her big eyelashes and say, "I didn't do anything". She should make a definitive statement on this "birther" question or shut up.

Posted by: dfnsatty | December 4, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"The Army is even canceling deployment orders rather than permitting such lawsuits to go forward."

SImply not true.

Produce even one instance of the Army accepting this idiocy.

Just one.

Posted by: Hillman1 | December 4, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Here is a sure fire method to induce a panic attack or worse in a Republican elected official:

Tell them that Sarah Palin is endorsing them in the next election.

At the very least they will have to excuse themselves to go change their underwear.

Posted by: frantaylor | December 4, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

@JakeD

No - I want you to show me an article that says something DIFFERENT - specifically supporting what you said earlier - that Obama was fighting tooth and nail to prevent its release. This one does not say that. Anyway - this was fun - I'm outty.

Posted by: overdrive_68 | December 4, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: Palin can't have it both ways. she can't say it's a lunatic conspiracy theory out of one side of her mouth, and then encourage it out of the other. Obama never legitimized the Trig birthers. Oh, wait, Palin isn't bothered with consistency, logic, or intelligence. never mind.

Posted by: JoeT1 | December 4, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The fact that so many republicans think Sarah Palin is some sort of party leader shows just how desperate they are. Everytime Palin opens her mouth, she demonstrates her stupidity, but then again, so did Bush.

Posted by: blarsen1 | December 4, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't find Palin scary.

I find the people who LISTEN to her scary.

Posted by: brickerd | December 4, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Why do conservatives hate America? Hate our president? Hate our freedoms? Bring FUD to every situation? Carry guns to public meetings? Hate the Constitution? Think torture is a core value? Ignore illegality when it is committed by a conservative? Expect laws to be broken by conservatives to get the job done?

More unAmerican people I have not met.

Posted by: Fate1 | December 4, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

JoeT1:

If "no such thing exists" then why did Dr. Fukino state that she saw it? You asked what would satisfy ME, and I couldn't care less whether it would satisfy anyone else or how burdensome it would be to satisfy anyone else. Obama managed to get elected nonetheless because everyone on Hillary's, and then McCain's, campaign was afraid to be called "racist" for even mentioning it. Kinda like when Steve Schmidt shut down Palin saying anything about Rev. Wright. Next question?

overdrive_68:

That's what the entire lawsuit was seeking, but you want other "real" news cites saying the same thing?

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: the original form signed by the doc is probably not kept.

If you can produce a deployment order cancelled because the soldier threatened to challenge it on Obama's legitimacy, I will publicly proclaim you the messiah.

what a crock.

Posted by: JoeT1 | December 4, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Birthers are ridiculous, teabaggers are ridiculous, and Sarah Palin is ridiculous! These people are so ridiculous, I’m thinking of writing my own book...“The Audacity of Dopes (the nutcase version)”.

Posted by: BasicInstinct | December 4, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

As has been reported of late, the fringe elements of our politics are taking way too much time in the media limelight. Sarah Palin is past her expiration date. Let's move on.

Posted by: EarlC | December 4, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The birthers just conveniently ignore the newspaper notices announcing Obama's birth.

Next they are going to allege that Obama hopped in his own personal time machine and went back there and stuck those notices in the newspapers himself.

Or maybe they will say that he cut a deal with HG Wells and borrowed his time machine.

I think their best hope is to argue that time is cyclical and that he just waited for his birthday to happen again so that he could plant the false information.

Posted by: frantaylor | December 4, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: nobody here has said they have a problem with the President having to be a natural-born citizen of the US as the Constitution requires. What we've said is that none of you conspiracy theorists have shown one scintilla of credible evidence to question that President Obama IS a natural-born citizen, just as he's shown many times.

It's pretty amusing, by the way, that all you right-wingnuts all of a sudden are defending the Constitution, when you and your King George the Moron and his sidekick Dick the Insane ignored the Constitution for 8 years. Just keep living in your fantasy world...we'll go on to make this country whole again, digging it out of the ashes that you and your ilk created...

Posted by: gr8day4bsbll | December 4, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Is CBS News "left wing" enough for you? Obama has fought releasing his ORIGINAL birth certificate in dozens of lawsuits:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/29/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5452727.shtml

Posted by: JakeD
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Jake, did you actually read that article. I saw nothing in there about Obama fighting releasing anytihing, but there is much in there about the person who is claiming the courts are commiting treason by not finding Obama to not be an American citizen. The article does not place the birthers in any sort of good light.

Posted by: Fate1 | December 4, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

pgibson1:

I don't think it's accurate to call anyone a "Birther" who notes: "At no point - not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews - have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States".

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: and if you read my post, you would know that no such thing exists, in any state, and no state is going to make it's raw source material available to the public. it would be computer code in most cases. and that would satisfy you. one crazy birther down, couple million to go. so what idiot state official or Obama staffer is going to start down the path of trying to satisfy you all one at a time? your request won't satisfy most of your fellow birthers, most of whom can't even be bothered to learn what a birth certificate is, so there would be nothing accomplished. And as for your legal analysis, if it were correct, and that obvious, how exactly did Obama get elected without anyone managing to make any mileage out of it? Hillary gave him a pass during the primaries? not a chance.

Posted by: JoeT1 | December 4, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

@JakeD

CBS news would surely be credible enough for me but even in the link you sent - Obama was completely uninvolved in the lawsuit. His name shows once in the entire article and it is in the phrase "Orly Taitz seeking to have President Obama removed".

So if you want to prove this - please cite an actual article that says that Obama (not the law in general) was preventing the release of his birth certificate.

Posted by: overdrive_68 | December 4, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"....But given the fact that he is an American -- perhaps a Muslim -- but still an American we can only wait until the next election -- legally that is....."

Posted by: ravitchn

Nice! Drop one crazy idea for another. Please just stop and go away.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | December 4, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Insane. Can't she separate party leaders from fringe lunatics? Joe Biden never questioned Trig's parentage, only some whackjobs did. Obama never sugested that it was okay to make Palin's personal life an issue and, in fact, he explicitly said so. It's disturbing that Palin can't see the difference.

Posted by: simpleton1 | December 4, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama won the election. You narrow-minded bigots, including your Queen Sarah the Quitter, need to get over it.

Posted by: gr8day4bsbll | December 4, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

This woman is stuck on stupid again. Can you believe there are actually some folks that would vote for her for president?

Posted by: hypnos123 | December 4, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

billy8:

I don't have any problem with "democracy" (although, technically, the United States is a "republic" and you voted for ELECTORS, not Obama directly). What problem do you have with the CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENT that the President be a natural-born citizen?

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

No, Fate1, there's no grand "conspiracy" needed. Obama, however, has hired lawyers to fight disclosure BEFORE he was sworn in and then AFTER has the DoJ "fighting tooth and nail". The Army is even canceling deployment orders rather than permitting such lawsuits to go forward.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

So, what do the birther's have against democracy? In the US, the president is elected by a majority of the people. In Obama's case, it was kind of a blowout. So what's the problem with democracy? Why overturn the will of the people?

Posted by: billy8 | December 4, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Palin should get a award for being the BIGGEST IDIOT out there! Then again all her followers should also get one too!

Posted by: ifordc | December 4, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

@ravitchn

When you say "we voted for him", I am POSITIVE you are excluded from that "we".

Although Gitmo is still open and we are still adding more troops to Afgh (very upset about both), I am DAMN GLAD he is the president - especially compared to war-hawk John McCain. That's all we need is to stomp on even more countries out of either paranoia or defense lobbying (not sure which drives the insanity, really).

Posted by: overdrive_68 | December 4, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

sandradbeachbum:

The "Certificate of Live Birth" that you may have seen is enough, for purposes of working in the U.S. That could have been produced via a foreign birth registered in Honolulu. What I am looking for is the ORIGINAL vital records signed by the doctor attesting to his birth.

ravitchn:

We can still LEGALLY impeach and throw his out!

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

the tea-baggers think that term makes them sound so "patrioty-like", when in fact, it sounds really homosexual. Proud to be a tea-bagger. Mmmmph! You're so cute!

Posted by: swatkins1 | December 4, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"there was proof that he was born in Hawaii," Potter added. "There was a certificate issued by the state's Department of Health, and the responsible official in the state saying that he had personally seen the original certificate."

An overwhelming majority of Americans, myself included, believe President Obama was born in Hawaii.

That being said, why is impossible, since we have the freedom of information act, for a birth certificate to be made public to end this speculation once and for all.

Posted by: chicago77 | December 4, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious that it is Palin's sanity that is in question here.

Posted by: vztownes | December 4, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

So now She's a "birther". Oh Joy.

That ought to get her the traction she so desperately seeks.

lol.

Next, ghosts in the Whitehouse Maybe ?

Posted by: pgibson1 | December 4, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

JakeD wrote: "The location of Obama's birth WAS created by his own actions (namely, fighting tooth and nail to hide a document that should have simply been turned over to the public)."

Just how did he fight "tooth and nail" to hide a document? You realize I hope there have been lawsuits, including one rejected by the supreme court. Those with brains are not seeing what those more challenged seem to be seeing.

For a conspiracy to hide his birth location you need the members of the supreme court, some of whom are very conservative, the government of Hawaii, courts in PA, republicans in Congress, etc. Of course you can believe in UFOs too and a wide conspiracy to hide them, but don't expect the loud yelling from the fringe to make a difference in reality. If you really cared about the requirements of being a naturally born citizen, McCain is the one who has the real problem with that.

And I find Palin's use of "fair game" to be repulsive. Rove used it to attack those like Joe Wilson, calling his wife's secret work at the CIA "fair game" just before she was outed. This is not a game. Palin seems to think she can make stuff up and support outlandish claims because people, with evidence of her own making, thought Trig was not hers. She is showing her vindictive side and should never be allowed to hold any sort of power.

Posted by: Fate1 | December 4, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

overdrive_68:

Is CBS News "left wing" enough for you? Obama has fought releasing his ORIGINAL birth certificate in dozens of lawsuits:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/29/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5452727.shtml

If there's nothing to hide about this very basic CONSTITUTIONAL QUALIFICATION, why not just hand it over?

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

@JakeD

Yes - I am a cheapskate. But promoting her through these moronic blogs will do as much as buying her some signs to put in the roadway medians.

You seem pretty sharp - can't believe you support this person. More power to you JakeD.

Posted by: overdrive_68 | December 4, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Don't you need a birth certificate or proof of citizenship to work here in the U.S.? You'd think as PRESIDENT that Obama has already produced them.....

Palin is desperate and is desperate to stay relevant, let her go down the conspiracy theory road, it will make Obama's next campain an even bigger breeze~

Posted by: sandradbeachbum | December 4, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Don't you need a birth certificate or proof of citizenship to work here in the U.S.? You'd think as PRESIDENT that Obama has already produced them.....

Palin is desperate and is desperate to stay relevant, let her go down the conspiracy theory road, it will make Obama's next campain an even bigger breeze~

Posted by: sandradbeachbum | December 4, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh Lord, if only Obama were really born outside the United States we would be able to explain our disillusionment with him. Unfortunately we have to face the fact of buyers remorse. We elected him, a citizen of the USA, because the alternatives seemed worse. In fact, we see now they were not worse. We did not want a black man in the White House and we were hoodwinked into voting for him. If only he were born in Kenya or somewhere else we could easily get rid of him. But given the fact that he is an American -- perhaps a Muslim -- but still an American we can only wait until the next election -- legally that is. Illegally -- I shall not comment on the possibilities.

Posted by: ravitchn | December 4, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

: steven775 wrote:
Just as I always say: liberals are the most insulting people I know. They act like anything they disagree with is stupid and baseless and people that have other opinions than them are less than human. I'm proud to never be a Democrat again. I was a Democrat when I was young and naive - never again will I vote Democrat.


What do you have to say about your leaders, Cheney, Bush, Rove, Palin, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter...all of who go way beyond the pale in insulting Democrats? We the people can say pretty much whatever we want. But for your "leadership" to spew the vile things they do is incredibly hard to ignore. What they say sets the tone for AMerica, dont you think? What if your boss at work said all the things that make your blood boil? Wouldn't you take him to Human Resources and call him on the floor?

Posted by: swatkins1 | December 4, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I still don't understand why obozo hasn't produced his birth certificate unless he has something to hide.

I carry a copy of mine around with me in my brief case.

Show us your birth certificate barry soetero. Shut all of us "birthers" up.

PROUD TO BE A BIRTHER

Posted by: charlietuna666 | December 4, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

bscoleman:

Are you similarly "tired" of Obama's paternal grandmother stating that little Barack was born in what is now Kenya?

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

@JakeD

Wha??? Fighting tooth and nail to prevent viewing of the birth certificate? I don't remember any of that. Cite non-right-wing nutjob references please.

As soon as it was a story, it was declared official by the State of Hawaii that they did have proof. If a person has to hold it in their hand, well those at that level of cynicism cannot be helped.

Posted by: overdrive_68 | December 4, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Palin needs to crawl back under that rock she came from. I am tired of her attempts to fan the flames of controversy and make baseless accusations!

Posted by: bscoleman | December 4, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse
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I think it's fairly obvious that these statements are designed to keep her in the news.

Posted by: billy8 | December 4, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

overdrive_68:

I figured you wouldn't put your money where your mouth is. I'm sure you also know that the FEC completely cleared her and the campaign of any alleged violation for her "wardrobe".

curtb:

No, I am not going to buy AND read her book for you.

chrisronin:

See my post to "shootmyownfood".

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

@ gudenuff1

How does having dual citizenship make him not have natural-born citizenship? He was born an American Citizen, that's natural, under the law.

Posted by: chrisronin | December 4, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Velo, your comment is the best thing I have read all day!

Posted by: bobby20 | December 4, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Palin needs to crawl back under that rock she came from. I am tired of her attempts to fan the flames of controversy and make baseless accusations!

Posted by: bscoleman | December 4, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Palin needs to crawl back under that rock she came from. I am tired of her attempts to fan the flames of controversy and make baseless accusations!

Posted by: bscoleman | December 4, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Please, Palin is not worthy of any press -
this wingnut needs to shut up and go back to Alaska, or whatever hole she crawed out of!

Posted by: Sirius2 | December 4, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Won't Todd Palin please be a good patriot and do this country a great service by keeping his dick shoved her in mouth so we won't have to listen to that pathetic idiot anymore?

Posted by: VeloStrummer | December 4, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to tell whether Ms. Palin is attempting to appeal to the lowest common denominator - or whether she simply IS the lowest common denominator.

A child born to an American citizen in the US is American. A child born to an American citizen overseas generally has a choice - or must make an "election" when they are 18 - to choose US citizenship or that of their country of birth.

The only thing I think anyone is hoping to prove by some public declaration of a birth certificate - is not citizenship - but "social status" - in other words, whether a father was listed or if the parents were legally married.

This is the same bogus and racist argument that used to be made against admitting non-whites to membership in private groups such as the DAR. There would have been no permitted legal marriage between races in those days which could be proved by documentation, so it became an excuse to deny membership.

Even that out-of-date organization changed those policies decades ago.

Show a little originality, mavericks. This is passe.

Posted by: jqw3827 | December 4, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

pgr88 wrote: I can see people love to call Palin various names, but has anyone actually seen Obama's Birth Certificate?


Shoot, punkin....have you ever even seen your own birth certificate? If so, what in the world did you need it for? To prove you were a citizen of someplace? That's about all the reason anyone would ever produce it. Do you really think Obama is going to go mail it to every fringe nutcase who asks for it? Does he need to put it on display at the National Archives in order for you to see it? How about you demanding Bush's birth certificate? Or your beloved ronnie ray-gun's birth certificate? I seriously don't see your point. You have a real problem, dude. Limpnuts has you by the short and curlys.

Posted by: swatkins1 | December 4, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

shootmyownfood (thank you for quoting from my link):

Waht you are missing is that Obama's mother was, indeed, less than 19 years old at the time: 14 + 5 = 19

"3) A minimum of 5 of those 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday."

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

askgees: "And as expected you made a fool of your self LIB T@RD."

Yourself is one word, CONTARD. Spelling it your self once is a typo. Doing it repeatedly proves you're an illiterate moron.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | December 4, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I've already donated my 2 cents. Besides - she can get her wardrobe money elsewhere.

Posted by: overdrive_68 | December 4, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow it is amazing that anytime someone has a different opinion or ask the extra question the type of character assignations that occur as seen by the majority of poster here. Just like the vile and vehement spiel put out by the global warming alarmist and those that agreed with against those who made a case for caution or disbelief, we have now found that not only have the facts been tainted but computer programs were used to produced desired results. How in a free society can individuals or groups that oppose ideas or spin mumbo jumbo get their message across if they are attack not for content but for everything else that can be dug up on them.
For the record no one has disputed the presidents citizenship but per our constitution: The constitution is very clear as to the qualifications for POTUS, and there is no birth certificate of Barack Obama that would make any difference. The fact that he had dual citizenship at birth proves he was not a 'natural born' citizen. He is a citizen under the 14th amendment which defines citizens born to parents when one parent is not a U.S. citizen."
Why don't we see his school records, why has he paid the law firm of Perkins - Coie 1.7 million dollars to spin, threaten, and withhold a crucial document that would put an end to this once and for all. No instead we name call these folks as crazy. Is the search for the truth supposed to end where the spin starts.
Why don't we see the passports he has received in the past, why is there so much factual mystery surrounding this president and those of us who voted for him both Black and White want to know so get off the racism stump. If it ain't true it ain't true.

Posted by: gudenuff1 | December 4, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh please JakeD, tell me what the "real story" is in her book about her letter from God since I won't be among the million people who buy it, that number prompting you to gloat the other day that since a million people in a country of 300 million bought it that you can start counting the votes, she's the next prez. Seriously, I would like to know what would prompt anyone to write an e-mail and sign it from God.

Posted by: curtb | December 4, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin needs to prove her mamarries are in fact real. Hustler magazine is offering her lots of freaky-deaky money if she shows her panty clam. You betcha.

Posted by: swatkins1 | December 4, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Am eagerly awaiting John Ziegler's attempt to pull Sarah's foot out of her mouth!

Posted by: DrMaryPatJordan | December 4, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

@ JakeD

I couldn't find anything on that site that would make either of those not grant him citizenship...or am I missing something?

Posted by: chrisronin | December 4, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

kenonwenu:

She didn't call us "stupid", and she was in Arkansas (not Ohio) yesterday. You need better talking points.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

WOW, Did you think of that all by your self.

Posted by: askgees | December 4, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

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Most of us end sentences which pose a question with these: ?

Posted by: billy8 | December 4, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Askgees,

I'm not quite sure how to break this to you pal: But that idiot's proclamation that she could see Russia from her house came in response to questions about her foreign policy experience.

Couric asked her to list her foreign policy credentials,and the retard immediately responded with "well, I can see Russia from my house." She then went on to say how her geographical proximity to the tundra of Siberia made it certain she wouldn't take any crap from Moscow.

The rest is history.

Posted by: loulor | December 4, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse


Semantics
What difference does that make? My point is simply they are visible from one another.

Posted by: askgees | December 4, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse
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DUH!!!!!!!!!

Really???????

Posted by: loulor | December 4, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Fate1:

The location of Obama's birth WAS created by his own actions (namely, fighting tooth and nail to hide a document that should have simply been turned over to the public).

pgr88:

Allegedly, Dr. Fukino (see link below) has seen Obama's original Birth Certificate.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

1535 COVERDALE 'Jer.'xx. 15 That the byrth might not haue come out, but remayned still in her. http://tinkys1941.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!DCD7544ECCB8065F!213.entry

Posted by: edtroyhampton | December 4, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Palin, sadly, is visibly slipping even on the right. The number of whackjobs who are willing to be seen supporting her seems to decline every day.

Apparently she was booed by her own fans yesterday for her mercenary and diva-esque behaviour at an Ohio book-signing.

And today she alienates more of them, by offering tantalising hints that she wants to link up with the Birthers, only to turn around and insult them by putting their pet subject under the heading "Stupid Conspiracies" on her Facebook page.

Her poor supporters already have everyone else telling them they're stupid, they don't need Sarah doing it too.

She'll also have to contend with deteriorating looks between now and 2012, when her looks are what propelled her to fame.

It's a great pity that her star is fading. Like most people who detest the Republican party, I would have loved to see her as their 2012 nominee.

Posted by: kenonwenu | December 4, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

overdrive_68 (and any other Dems seeking to support a Palin run in 2012):

Please put your money where your mouths (fingers?) are and donate often.

http://www.SarahPAC.com

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

And as expected you made a fool of your self LIB T@RD. I would never vote for her but I do love watching you id10ts fawn over her. When you assume you make an @zz of your self.

Posted by: askgees | December 4, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse
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If you get out of your mom's basement and live a life, some of the anger will go away.

Posted by: billy8 | December 4, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

WOW, Did you think of that all by your self.

Posted by: askgees | December 4, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

There must be very little light up there in Alaska these days.

What Palin failed to mention was that the question of Trig being her son was due to the media suspecting Bristol was pregnant at the time Trig was born. There was some circumstantial evidence but Bristol's pregnancy was denied by the Palins. Then Trig was born. Then we learned that Bristol was indeed pregnant. The question was created by Palin's own actions to hide Bristol's pregnancy, actions she has not explained and resulted in Bristol not finishing high school.

The location of Obama's birth was not created by his own actions, just the usual paranoid right wing fringe that cannot accept a black man as president and so must make up reasons for it's impossibility. For Palin to give these people credence is outlandish. She owes our president an apology. She also owes Bristol an apology.

Posted by: Fate1 | December 4, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I can see people love to call Palin various names, but has anyone actually seen Obama's Birth Certificate?

Posted by: pgr88 | December 4, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

@human simpleton -> well if that rumor were true and confirmed, I guess the fear would be felony sex act with a minor!!!!!

Both leftwingnuts and right wingnuts are wingnuts. Don't feed the bears is always a good rule when dealing with the crazies

Posted by: cadlecreek1 | December 4, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

curtb:

Too bad you didn't read the "real story" about that letter in her book (another bestselling book, the Bible, is God's love letter to us as well : )

chrisronin:

That's not necessarily true, as Obama's mother was underaged at the time and may or may not have been legally married to a foreign national.

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/overseas/overseas_703.html

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I agree with queenofromania...

Liberals should HOPE she runs in 2012. But really, that won't happen. If she starts getting momentum to be the Conservative candidate - they will be smart enough to give her very early exposure so she can crash and burn way before nomination time.

But similar to all the conservatives meddling in the Dem primaries and caucuses,

LIBERALS SHOULD PROMOTE PALIN AS MUCH AS THEY CAN FOR THE NEXT 1.5 YEARS !!!

Posted by: overdrive_68 | December 4, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

When are you going to stop with this bimbo?

A hero to the birthers and the tea party freaks,I'm sure she can still see Russia from her house.

However, she remains an embarrassment to politics, to women, to America, to the human race, to anyone with brain cells.

Stop it. Just stop it.

Posted by: loulor | December 4, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse


As dumb as she may appear it would seem you have her beat. I hate to break the news to you since it appears your current situation prevents you from purchasing a $2.00 map. But Alaska can see Russia and Russia can see Alaska. At least think before you speak. Did you drop out of elementary school????

Posted by: askgees | December 4, 2009 3:19 PM
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Askgees,

I'm not quite sure how to break this to you pal: But that idiot's proclamation that she could see Russia from her house came in response to questions about her foreign policy experience.

Couric asked her to list her foreign policy credentials,and the retard immediately responded with "well, I can see Russia from my house." She then went on to say how her geographical proximity to the tundra of Siberia made it certain she wouldn't take any crap from Moscow.

The rest is history.

Posted by: loulor | December 4, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse


Semantics
What difference does that make? My point is simply they are visible from one another.

Posted by: askgees | December 4, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin AND all of her Tea-Bagger friends are a backward inbred ball and chain on America.

Posted by: PulSamsara | December 4, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

And as expected you made a fool of your self LIB T@RD. I would never vote for her but I do love watching you id10ts fawn over her. When you assume you make an @zz of your self.

Posted by: askgees | December 4, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse
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If you get out of your mom's basement and live a life, some of the anger will go away.

Posted by: billy8 | December 4, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

It is quite possible that Trig is really Levi Johnston and Sarah Palin's son.

The only way to be sure is to have DNA tests conducted.

Why won't Palin agree to do the DNA tests?

It can be easily settled unless Palin has something to hide!


Palin supporters should urge her to put what may be a nasty rumor to rest by just having her do the DNA tests.

What is she afraid of?

Posted by: HumanSimpleton | December 4, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

When I wave the media-manufactured fairy dust away from my face and look at Sarah Palin's popularity from a more objective perspective, I see nothing but good for the country coming in 2012. Sarah has a small, but fanatic, following who will advocate for her presidency to the point where she will end up being a real concern for the 'main stream' GOP (as opposed to the 'lunatic fringe' GOP) in the next presidential election. Drawing attention and votes away from more rational GOP members seeking the presidential nomination will further weaken whatever voter base the GOP has, and Barack Obama and the Democrats will easily win the next presidential election. My hope is that the responsible media give the appropriate attention Sarah Palin deserves, which is next to nothing, and let the GOP vermin sink their own ship without further help from the journalists following her.

Posted by: queenofromania | December 4, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I just want to know if Ms. Palin has ever been seen with Tiger Woods.

Maybe the Salahis?

Posted by: rogied25 | December 4, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

When I wave the media-manufactured fairy dust away from my face and look at Sarah Palin's popularity from a more objective perspective, I see nothing but good for the country coming in 2012. Sarah has a small, but fanatic, following who will advocate for her presidency to the point where she will end up beig a real concern for the 'main stream' GOP (as opposed to the 'lunatic fringe' GOP) in the next presidential election. Drawing attention and votes away from more rational GOP members seeking the presidential nomination will further weaken whatever voter base the GOP has, and Barack Obama and the Democrats will easily win the next presidential election. My hope is that the responsible media give the appropriate attention Sarah Palin deserves, which is next to nothing, and let the GOP vermin sink their own ship without further help from the journalists following her.

Posted by: queenofromania | December 4, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Cuckoo, Cuckoo, Cuckoo!!! Man, pull your head out and say POP!!

Posted by: daplushman | December 4, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Nice use of the English language tard. You got to love the young dumb LIB T@RDS of today.

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Nice prose by a wingnut intellectual and core Palin supporter.

Posted by: sr31 | December 4, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

And as expected you made a fool of your self LIB T@RD. I would never vote for her but I do love watching you id10ts fawn over her. When you assume you make an @zz of your self.

Posted by: askgees | December 4, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I say
Off with Sarah and the dinosaur Jesus rode in on.

Posted by: kare1 | December 4, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I got the real story on the letter to God, which was actually an e-mail from God (!) announcing her pregnancy to friends and signed "Trig's Creator, Our Heavenly Father". Oh, that's different. She was pretending to write AS God and not TO God and just calling herself Trig's creator. Whew, I was worried there for a minute, I thought she was usurping God's role when all she was doing was putting words in God's mouth and signing his name to it, which Republicans have been doing for ages. Ah America. Just business as usual in the world's largest open air insane asylum. Carry on Sarah.

Posted by: curtb | December 4, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

jckdoors and concerneddcresident:

You are aware that Obama's paternal grandmother stated little Barack was born in what is Kenya today?

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

If Palin had as many dicks exiting
her body as have been inserted, she
would look like a a porcupine with
many very large kwils !!!!!

Posted by: flyersout | December 4, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Look, it doesn't matter where he was born. His mother was an American Citizen, meaning that nomatter where he was born - in the US or out of it, he's a natural-born citizen and therefore qualified to be President of the US.

Posted by: chrisronin | December 4, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Please Ms. Palin - run in 2012! Run Run Run! We "real americans" will vote for you. We aren't worried that you'll make a fool of yourself if you have lots of limelight! PLEASE RUN!

heh heh

Posted by: overdrive_68 | December 4, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse


When are you going to stop with this bimbo?

A hero to the birthers and the tea party freaks,I'm sure she can still see Russia from her house.

However, she remains an embarrassment to politics, to women, to America, to the human race, to anyone with brain cells.

Stop it. Just stop it.

Posted by: loulor | December 4, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse


As dumb as she may appear it would seem you have her beat. I hate to break the news to you since it appears your current situation prevents you from purchasing a $2.00 map. But Alaska can see Russia and Russia can see Alaska. At least think before you speak. Did you drop out of elementary school????

Posted by: askgees | December 4, 2009 3:19 PM
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Askgees,

I'm not quite sure how to break this to you pal: But that idiot's proclamation that she could see Russia from her house came in response to questions about her foreign policy experience.

Couric asked her to list her foreign policy credentials,and the retard immediately responded with "well, I can see Russia from my house." She then went on to say how her geographical proximity to the tundra of Siberia made it certain she wouldn't take any crap from Moscow.

The rest is history.

Posted by: loulor | December 4, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Whoever called her Trailer Trash Palin hit the nail on the head. It says a lot about Alaskans that they elected this POS.

Posted by: barnabytwist | December 4, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

And yet you id10ts elected Odumbo. LOL

Posted by: askgees | December 4, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Nothing gets an idiot madder than someone calling them an idiot.

Posted by: steveboyington | December 4, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Time to paddle faster, I hear banjos....

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | December 4, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Love her, hate her - whatever. Things are a lot more interesting with her on the scene and I'm glad she's no longer stuck in Juneau. (versus the alternative of wondering which stale white male is going to run against Obama in three years)

Posted by: KS100H | December 4, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

thebink:

Liberal media convinced people that Ronald Reagan was dumb too. The "point" of my last two posts has been that said President were nonetheless elected TWICE. If Sarah Palin runs, she will be as well.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

If you doubt the Presidents "claim" of birth in Hawaii you're simply an idiot. Seen any flying saucers lately?

Posted by: jckdoors | December 4, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Shame on you John McCain for foisting this on the American people in the very few months where you were able to call the shots on big decisions.

I also thank God every day that you weren't elected president (who knows what you'd have come with by now).

Posted by: AHappyWarrior | December 4, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Sit down, Sarah. It's the Salahi's week to be weird.

Posted by: joneshn | December 4, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Why give this empty suit any more air time! Her own party doesn't take her seriously.

Posted by: Siditti | December 4, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Woman, just shut up! Don't talk unless you have evidence. Don't try to get attention by creating rumors.

Posted by: concerneddcresident | December 4, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

barnabytwist:

If Sarah Palin is "Trailer Trash" what was Bill Clinton?

JoeT1:

I don't need videotape; I already told you what would satisfy me.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

This "article" is an attempt to get the public off the real issues like health care and cap and tax being job killers, Obama's war in Afghanistan, and the over 17% REAL unemployment rate.

And by the comments, it's working.

This article was nothing but boob bait.

Posted by: bandmom22 | December 4, 2009 3:39 PM |

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Bandmom22 are you saying that Sarah Palin is actually doing this silliness to support President Obama's agenda so that it will pass quickly and easily?

I thought she was doing it to sell books and I thought the whole "birther" thing started in the first place because John McCain was NOT born in the US and because he was born before the 1952 laws extending citizenship from parents, that he is actually not a natural born US citizen and technically, he should have been naturalized.

Posted by: Prosperity2008 | December 4, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin isn't a good choice for a presidential run as the MSM has had ample time to convince their sheep that she's dumb.

Posted by: thebink | December 4, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Whoever called her Trailer Trash Palin hit the nail on the head. It says a lot about Alaskans that they elected this POS.

Posted by: barnabytwist | December 4, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, John McCain, for your marvelous gift to the nation -- the National Airhead Dingbat.

Posted by: Gladiator2008 | December 4, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

This "article" is an attempt to get the public off the real issues like health care and cap and tax being job killers, Obama's war in Afghanistan, and the over 17% REAL unemployment rate.

And by the comments, it's working.

This article was nothing but boob bait.

Posted by: bandmom22 | December 4, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

@BillWarnock1 : the board of elections certifies a candidate has met the minimum standards for office. Being elected suffices for a background check. So, if major Hassan were elected president-he would have clearance by fact of holding office. The FBI does not vet candidates-this would be unconstitutional.

BTW-last time I checked it is still lawful to ask stupid questions of office holders and office seekers. The birthers need to walk-in off the ledge.

Posted by: cadlecreek1 | December 4, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Is it true that in her book she claims to have written a letter to God (and has it in the book) concerning her child's Down Syndrome and if it was right for her to go ahead with the birth? And actually signed it "Trig's creator"? I hope I have this wrong. Somebody help me here. And if it's true, somebody help her, because I'd like to see a birth certificate to prove that she was born on this planet.

Posted by: curtb | December 4, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Sarah is on a book tour and wants to ring the register as many times as possible. The play this gets does just that.

Posted by: marknlogan | December 4, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

All Sarah Palin has succeeded in doing is proving her lack of integrity, honesty, and fair-mindedness. This birth certificate question has been debunked by factcheck.org and the State of Hawaii, etc., etc., Of course, citizens of America should question, but when the question has been answered it is ridiculous of her to keep the rumor going. I am proud to say that most Americans are repulsed by her, certainly not flocking to support a person with such low standards. If she any modicum of integrity in her being she would answer a question of our President's birth with a response saying the facts are in and he was born in Hawaii. Simple. But to that element that she attracts, misinformation, distortion of truth, and plain outright lies are the rule; don't let the facts get in the way.

Posted by: jmardiwelch | December 4, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

An American citizen can be born abroad, with one American parent, as follows:

For persons born between Decemver 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all the following are true:

1. One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born;

2. The citizen parent lived at least 10 years in the United States before his or her chidl's birth;

3. A minimun of 5 of those 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.

So, all you "birthers," you should all familiarize yourselves with the laws of citizenship and know what you're talking about before you decide who is and who is not a U.S. citizen.

One further quote: "A person's record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of his or her citizenship." "Such documentation is ofter useful to prove citizenship in lieu of the availability of an American birth certificate."

This is probably the case with John McCain, as he was not born in the U.S.

What all of the above shows is that it would not matter one whit if President Obama's father was a bigamist, a foreigner, or whatever. His citizenship descends from his mother, and would do so regardless of where he was born.

Posted by: shootmyownfood | December 4, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Is news this slow that this garners a post on major media web sites? Palin used to excite me; no more after continued dribble as this. Best of luck Dobbs and Palin.

Posted by: crushedice | December 4, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

As a follow-up to the need for John McCain and Sarah Palin to produce their birth certificates read this from the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224_2.html

"One person who disagrees with that premise is New Hampshire resident Fred Hollander, who has filed a suit in U.S. District Court claiming that the Republican candidate is "not a natural born citizen." In an attempt to prove his argument, the 49-year-old computer programmer filed a subpoena last month seeking McCain's birth certificate.

The Department of Homeland Security, which oversees citizenship services, declined to hand over copies of the document, saying the subpoena was improperly served....


"Duggin, the constitutional law scholar, said the sovereignty question is "more complex" than Olson and Tribe concede. People born in some U.S. territories, such as American Samoa, are not recognized as citizens of the United States.

According to a State Department manual, U.S. military installations abroad cannot be considered "part of the United States" and "A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth." Tribe said the manual is an "opinion" with no legal status."

Posted by: Prosperity2008 | December 4, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

palin is just another NUT that the NOP (no Party, formally known as the gop)has dug up to spread their venom

Posted by: dgates1 | December 4, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Isn't there ONE good investigative reporter out there that could come up with the results of Ms. Palin's IQ test? I'm willing to bet that the Salahi's know a good forgery artist. Tell them you'll get them on "The Price is Right" if they can come up with a copy of Palin's IQ test results.......

Posted by: cabeachguy | December 4, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"

All Obama has to do to lay this thing to rest is to produce the legitimate birth certificate. Why hasn't he done so?

Posted by: mrhonda | December 4, 2009 3:05 PM "

He has. The only question remaining is, why do fools like you refuse to believe it?

Posted by: thrh | December 4, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The state of Hawaii said Obama's birth certificate is an official, legal birth certificate. It states that he was born in Hawaii. Bill O'Reilly, no fan of Obama, said he's convinced of its authenticity.
Sarah Palin said she didn't say what it sounded like she said. She must have taken a page from Bill Clinton's book.

Posted by: meand2 | December 4, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - Anyone who reads he last four paragraphs of the above article that still clings to the birther myth is in denial of the evidence. Dont ket the facts get in the way of your thinking, that would be too intelligent. Inteklkigenc and Satah Palin just dont mix.

Posted by: gregp1 | December 4, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Nice use of the English language tard. You got to love the young dumb LIB T@RDS of today.

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Nice prose by a wingnut intellectual and core Palin supporter.

Posted by: sr31 | December 4, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is pandering to people who are in the grips of a fixed delusion. The birthers are immune to evidence. No matter how many times you tell them that anyone born in the US is a natural-born citizen, and that President Obama was born in the US, and that he hasn't spent millions of dollars "fighting" the release of any records, and that it has never been illegal for Americans to visit Pakistan, and that he was not adopted by his stepfather--and that even if he had been it wouldn't have affected his citizenship--and that he hasn't used 39 SS numbers, and he's not gay, they simply won't accept anything they don't want to believe.
Reasoning with a birther is like visiting a mental hospital, finding a guy who thinks he's Napolean, and trying to convince him that he is not, in fact, Napolean. You can talk yourself blue in the face, but you'll never convince him that he's actually Bob Jones of Akron, Ohio.
The birthers will never believe that Barack Obama is quite simply who he says he is, although all the evidence supports it. They'll continue to insist, probably until they take their dying breath, that he's really a gay muslim athiest communist usurper, who want to socialize terrorism and rape all the white women.
Palin should be ashamed of herself for nurturing the delusions of these sad, sick people.

Posted by: katn1084 | December 4, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Heavens! If an early emperor of Rome had been of unidentifiable birth, Rome would ceased to exist and Latin would not be among the roots of English language. The United States must be in danger of disappearing altogether.

Posted by: frogwatcher | December 4, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"who else to the republicans have to put up? Romney's an abortion flip flopper, Pawlenty is too. Fred Thompson would put everyone to sleep."Posted by: blarsen1

the thing about Romney is that he's Wall Street through and through. Basically a corporate downsizing specialist. Is that the sort of Prez you want in a recession? I think not.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 4, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

To all Bozo's: One does NOT have to physically be born within the USA in order to qualify for the presidency. One MUST be a "NATURAL BORN USC", that's it. So all u all numnut best educate yourselves. Palin is a joke and the MAIN reason McCain was not elected. BTW, McCain was NOT born in the USA. DUH

Posted by: myemail | December 4, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a national joke, even JakeD recognizes that, he posted the following ...

NOW is the Time to STAND UP for our Nation!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1009/Palin_to_launch_Stand_Up_for_Our_Nation.html

Posted by: JakeD | December 2, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gregp1 | December 4, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what Palin says. She is not content to earn millions with a book that she did not write and free political buildup she does not deserve. Instead she continues besmirching people who are far above her -- both morally and intellectually.

Posted by: nitellub | December 4, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see two other birth certificates also, John McCain (who I know was not born in the United States of America) and also Sarah Palin's. I have seen reports that she was born in Canada while her parents were teaching there and they never reported the birth until they got to Alaska.

Posted by: Prosperity2008 | December 4, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Palin scares the he!! out of the left. They can't stop trying to convince their self's that she a flake. LOL Quite down your fear is showing.

Posted by: askgees
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Nice try; but I think it's safe to say that after numerous hysterically funny gaffes to the press, quitting as governor and producing a tell-all (ghost written) book that denigrates everyone she ever met, no progressive or Dem I know sees her as anything but a joke.

The only people who should be nervous are Republicans facing tough primary battles. That's where she can do some real damage - to her own party.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | December 4, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

BwaHaHaHaHa

As if empirical evidence (already presented) would change anything for these folks.

I have wondered for quite some time why Palin only reaches out to the voters who already support her. Its like having a pep rally for a school without a sports program.

Posted by: trident420 | December 4, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

And when she says Elvis was cited with the Easter Bunny in Transylvania I suppose the Post will put that on the front page too. The lady is a whack job, like the McCain camp said and she contributes nothing constructive to any issue. It was shame on her for being such a blatant ignoramus. Now it is shame on the Post for giving this ignoramus credibility by posting what she says as worthy of intelligent review.

Posted by: SaintJoseph | December 4, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

if depression obama continues at 10% next year

and the dems are in danger of losing the house

the dems will be the ones seeking impeachemnt

and the birth certificate will do

Posted by: ProCounsel | December 4, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Questions for Palin that the talk show host could of asked.

Why did you attend 5 Colleges in 6 Years resulting in a Broadcasting Degree? What other educational attainment can you account for or are you autodidactic? What do you read every day. You have had over a year since your Katie Couric interview to answer.

As mayor of Wasilla and as Governor why did you continue to charge rape victims for their rape kits? Why does Alaska have some of the highest rates of rape and incest in the U.S?

Why were you involved with the secessionist treasonist Alaskan Independence Party and attended their convention?

Why do you pal around with a terrorist of the same party who was murdered in 1993 during “a plastic explosives sale gone bad.” Your husband Todd Palin joined the same party two years later. Neither you nor Todd were 9 years old at the time.

Why did it occur to you not to obtain a passport. What knowledge did you gather from traveling outside U.S from your trade mission and a 2007 visit to troops in Germany. Can you really see Russia from outside window?

Do you still supports ineffective abstinence education programs even after your daughter gets knocked up?

Did Jesus really saddle up a dinosaur and ride it 6000 years ago?

Why do you decry "Socialism" when it comes to supporting a National Health Plan public option in order to lift burden off of small and mid-size businesses. While supporting Alaska National Fund payouts of roughly $1000 per year while in 2008 adding $1200 energy rebate?


Posted by: MerrillFrank | December 4, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Why anyone pays any attention to this woman or takes seriously anything coming out of her mouth is beyond me. There are intelligent well-spoken women in the Republican party so why this opportunist, who is mainly looking for money and fame, is their leading contender is simply crazy and embarrassing. Ten years ago they would never have stooped to even consider or listen to someone like Palin -- it's sad what has happened to the Republican party.

Posted by: sharronkm | December 4, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

When are you going to stop with this bimbo?

A hero to the birthers and the tea party freaks,I'm sure she can still see Russia from her house.

However, she remains an embarrassment to politics, to women, to America, to the human race, to anyone with brain cells.

Stop it. Just stop it.

Posted by: loulor | December 4, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse


As dumb as she may appear it would seem you have her beat. I hate to break the news to you since it appears your current situation prevents you from purchasing a $2.00 map. But Alaska can see Russia and Russia can see Alaska. At least think before you speak. Did you drop out of elementary school????

Posted by: askgees | December 4, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

For all of you saying a legit birth certificate has never been produced, yes, it has been produced. You don't like the fact that he is black, that his name sounds foreign to you (too Muslim sounding)and that he won the election! Get over it! We have more important issues facing us.As for Sarah Palin, well she is just about the biggest moron in the public eye. The Wacko from Wasilla is almost the worst possible thing that could happen to this great country of ours. What will she do as President if the press gets on her as they do with all Presidents? Quit? Pout and act petulant as she does now? Spare us this fate!

Posted by: Sonny53 | December 4, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I question Palin's intelligence.

Posted by: truth1 | December 4, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a national joke, even JakeD recognizes that, he posted the following ...

NOW is the Time to STAND UP for our Nation!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1009/Palin_to_launch_Stand_Up_for_Our_Nation.html

Posted by: JakeD | December 2, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gregp1 | December 4, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Reading about Sarah Palin's views makes one sad, and bitter about her school of thought. United States is known for the state persons it produced in good and bad times; in ts tests and trials. Sarah Palin tragically reflects the other side of American Politics.

Posted by: Akmal | December 4, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

askgees:

Who else to the republicans have to put up? Romney's an abortion flip flopper, Pawlenty is too. Fred Thompson would put everyone to sleep. PALIN IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE YOU HAVE AND SHE'S DAMAGED GOODS!

Posted by: blarsen1 | December 4, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

HumanSimpleton What's the question? If it is whether Obama is a natural-born US citizen, then the answer is simpler and has been provided: YES.

___________________________________________________
Please post long-form birth certificate.

Posted by: kwoods2 | December 4, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

What a moron.... how can this twit have any audience or followers? It says a lot about our country... and it's all bad. Palin is a boob, plain and simple.

Posted by: EdSantaFe | December 4, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The Republican party has my sympathies. It is time for every American to stand with the President to solve the many problems he inherited and that he is trying to solve. He is our Mr Hope today, strengthen his hands.

Posted by: dvsikka | December 4, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

All Obama has to do to lay this thing to rest is to produce the legitimate birth certificate. Why hasn't he done so?

Posted by: mrhonda
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Because you and I both know it wouldn't make a bit of difference. Conspiracy theories don't allow for the introduction of contradictory evidence - it would simply be dismissed as a forgery. Time to let it go.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | December 4, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

The fact that so many people think that Obama's not a citizen shows how stupid the republicans really are.

Posted by: blarsen1 | December 4, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Aside from her obvious attempt to wink at the birthers while claiming she didn't, she's lying (surprise!) when she says she produced a birth certificate for Trig. As articles appearing in the NYT and elsewhere on Nov. 4 prove, all she did was present a two-page letter from her doctor on Nov. 3 saying she was healthy and had had five children.

I never thought she should have to produce a birth certificate, as Obama CLEARLY DID, but now she's opened the door to all the Trig Truthers and others to "just ask questions."

And conspiracy theorists have much more to work with when it comes to Palin's pregnancy then birthers have with Obama. People were genuinely shocked in Alaska when she announced her pregnancy so late, including people she saw every day. Not to mention the whole issue of flying home from Texas during a high-risk pregnancy while leaking amniotic fluid when not even the flight attendants knew she was pregnant.

So, way to go, Sarah! You've just given the Trig Truthers a reason for living and more Americans a reason to question your integrity.

Posted by: BlueDog1 | December 4, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Come to think of it, have we ever seen Palin's birth certificate?

Posted by: presto668 | December 4, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Why give this woman press coverage? I know you are an elevated gossip columnist (WP has about 6 as I count compared to about 2 serious reporters) but why give credit to known lies?

You will say she might be the next Republican presidential nominee and therefore deserves coverage. There were many people like you in Germany in 1933 to 1939. It's called the banality of evil, jack.

Posted by: walden1 | December 4, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

""I think it's a fair question, just like I think past associations and past voting records -- all of that is fair game,""

Does she realize she just open herself up to her membership in Alaska's secessionist movement.

Posted by: knjincvc | December 4, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

If there was a democrat who couldn't tell you newspaper they read, had a knocked up daughter, bankrupted a small town and quit as governor, they would never run for political office again.

The republicans are so delusional they think these are traits that would make a great president. Does anyone think she could last even 30 seconds in a debate with ANYONE on foreign policy, the economy or U.S. history without making a total fool of herself?

Posted by: blarsen1 | December 4, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

But that's exactly what you and the rest of the LIBS are doing. Palin has never said she was going to run. The GOP has never said she'll be their candidate. So it appears the only one's asserting that she'll run is the nut cases from the left. It's like you're hoping she'll run because you know once the REPS pick a candidate, that candidate will kick O's butt. But keep praying she runs. LOL

Posted by: askgees | December 4, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Palin:

Policy decisions require real science and real solutions, not junk science and doomsday scare tactics pushed by an environmental priesthood that capitalizes on the public's worry and makes them feel that owning an SUV is a "sin" against the planet. In his inaugural address, President Obama declared his intention to "restore science to its rightful place." Boycotting Copenhagen while this scandal is thoroughly investigated would send a strong message that the United States government will not be a party to fraudulent scientific practices. Saying no to Copenhagen and cap and tax are first steps in "restoring science to its rightful place."

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Funny how creationists use "priesthood", "sin" etc to decry someone else's positions.

I mean, if "priesthood" is A Bad Thing, then...

http://www.tribbleagency.com/?p=2337


If driving an SUV guilts people, so does Christianity. For being born!!!

LOL

Posted by: HumanSimpleton | December 4, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

When are you going to stop with this bimbo?

A hero to the birthers and the tea party freaks,I'm sure she can still see Russia from her house.

However, she remains an embarrassment to politics, to women, to America, to the human race, to anyone with brain cells.

Stop it. Just stop it.

Posted by: loulor | December 4, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives must not have been in class the day this question was covered. Either that, or they're just to dense to absorb the information. Either way, are these the people you would want running this country? No wonder Bush couldn't seem to make a good decision. He's probably still be looking for those WMD's. He would probably have made better choices by flipping a coin.

Posted by: JimZ1 | December 4, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Many of you posters here are assuming she wants to run for President. Do not automatically assume that.

Posted by: mrhonda | December 4, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Commenting on the President's birth certificate or hinting at it shows who is in her sights for the next election battle.

We get 3 years of Palin's running for election then. Elections are starting to run longer and longer.

Posted by: teachersson | December 4, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

All Obama has to do to lay this thing to rest is to produce the legitimate birth certificate. Why hasn't he done so?

Posted by: mrhonda | December 4, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

If there was a democrat who couldn't tell you newspaper they read, had a knocked up daughter, bankrupted a small town and quit as governor, they would never run for political office again.

The republicans are so delusional they think these are traits that would make a great president. Does anyone think she could last even 30 seconds in a debate with ANYONE on foreign policy, the economy or U.S. history without making a total fool of herself?

Posted by: blarsen1 | December 4, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

This woman is never going to run for president; as she has stated before, she likes writing better than doing a talk show; this is because when she puts things in writing, no one is there to question her expertise and knowledge and falsehoods - I do understand how conservative men want her to run 'cuz they have the hots for her so bad and like they say, when you think with the little head, you can't think with the big head (paraphrasing Sherry on the view) -- if I had a brain tumor, I wouldn't care if my surgeon was an ugly, rude, no bedside manner doctor, but that he was one of the best and most knowledgeable out there - why can't conservatives see that in someone they want to be president? Heck, I've only got one year of college, and even I knew what the Bush doctrine was (because unlike her, I tend to read a lot), and I also knew Africa was a continent, not a country - she's so far out of her league it's not even funny--

Posted by: southernbutnotstupid | December 4, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Palin spouting drivel, that we're used to... what amazes me are the people sooooo eager to believe it that even facts don't stand in the way of what you want to believe...
And pmendez, how about you post YOUR birth certificate and college admission forms or any other personal, private information before you complain; not quite so sure now, are you?

Posted by: PeterPamZ | December 4, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else out there have this happen? Every time you read about this celebrity named Palin, the same question enters your mind once again: What's up with this idea that any darned fool could be President of the United States?

Posted by: McBriar | December 4, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

askgees, try learning to spell before you try to comment.

Posted by: elkofan | December 4, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse


WOW what an idiot. Try reading between the lines homo.

Posted by: askgees | December 4, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

All rational people who have not yet turned away from Palin need to consider that this type of response from her, i.e., "they questioned my son's birth, so that makes birther questions legitimate " shows she is not national office material.

IMHO, she is an female pitbull in drag, and she makes it easy to tell the intelligent people from the idiots.

Posted by: jvlem | December 4, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

UnPatriotic: you are, of course, correct, nothing will satisfy a birther, but, by the way, as I explained in my post, there is no such thing as an original birth certificate to unseal either. the state records your birth when it learns of it from the doc. you can get the state to give you a certificate the next day, the next year, or whenever. the state doesn't keep one at all.

Posted by: JoeT1 | December 4, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

It is the simplest answer in the world, all the present occupant in the White House needs to do is post his long-form birth certificate.

Posted by: kwoods2
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What's the question? If it is whether Obama is a natural-born US citizen, then the answer is simpler and has been provided: YES.

Posted by: HumanSimpleton | December 4, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

All this does is hurt her chances with the vast middle of the country.
The "silent majority" is pretty moderate, and this certainly doesn't help her.

Posted by: billy8 | December 4, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: you wouldn't be satisfied with a video tape of the birth with the governor of Hawaii in the background, so give it a rest with what you want to see. Every state records births differently, usually starting with a simple form filled out by the doc at delivery, that may or may not even be kept but is then entered by a clerk on a file (now in a computer) and when you want to play sports, or whatever, you ask for a birth certificate, which is not an old record, but just a current certificate from the state that its records (the one I described earlier) show that you were born there.

Posted by: JoeT1 | December 4, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

BillWarnock1 wrote:

The idea the President lacks a valid birth certificate flies in the face of a full field background investigation conducted by the FBI prior to being elected a Senator from Illinois.

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If there was any merit to the allegations regarded the birth certificate, it would have been found a long time ago.

Unfortunately, as with all conspiracy theories the facts don't matter: i.e. you could produce as much evidence of a birth certificate as you want, perhaps even unseal the original, and the conspiracy theorists would still declare it a fake, or say it wasn't enough.

Posted by: UnPatriotic | December 4, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who's more stupid... Palin or the teabaggers who follow here and her moron counterpart Glen Beck.

Truly sad.

Posted by: lpe397 | December 4, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse


Nice use of the English language tard. You got to love the young dumb LIB T@RDS of today.

Posted by: askgees | December 4, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Good grief! My rock ribbed Republican dad did not vote for McCain because he picked this idiot as a running mate. He didn't vote at all for the first time in his life. But this takes the cake--she's joined the nutter squad. No one who ever runs for President better have anything other than 2 US citizen parents and be born in the Continental US either. I supppose that excludes Alaska as well as Hawaii so her own kids can't run!

Posted by: commonsense101 | December 4, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Palin's brain and Obama's birth cirtificate are all in storage at the same place George W Bush's military service record is at.
Show me shrubs military record and I'll show you Obama's birth certificate. At least I know Obama's is in Hawaii, shrub's, that chicken-hawk shredded his and you'll never find it, and Palin's brain, well I doubt that exist at all.

Posted by: tniederberger | December 4, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

askgees, try learning to spell before you try to comment.

Posted by: elkofan | December 4, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

It would seem to me that a copy of the original birth certificate should be made available to the public so that we can move on to more important things ...

... unless there IS something to hide...

print it and move on.

Posted by: AWWNats
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A birth certificate recognized by the state of Hawaii, the Federal Government and many other sources even before he became President (and remember that Bush was a GOPer) has been made available.

Why will putting out yet another birth certificate change the story for birthers?

They will simply claim that it is a fake.

Goobers who have nothing else to do can harp on it, and Palin can support them.

It is not going to change the fact that birthers are morons who should be ignored until they get violent.

Posted by: HumanSimpleton | December 4, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm still waiting for an apology from McCain for turning this Frankenstein monster loose to rampage through the country, and wondering why the hell he's consulted on anything after this disastrous fandango. There he was again yesterday presenting sage musings about Obama's Afghanistan plan. Go figure.

Posted by: elkofan | December 4, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

@kwoods

There's no such thing as a "long-form" birth certificate.

Posted by: UnPatriotic | December 4, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Palin's lack of intellectual curiosity and willingness to support such conspiracy theories as the people who think President Obama wasn't born in this country is terrifying.

Posted by: UnPatriotic | December 4, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

It is the simplest answer in the world, all the present occupant in the White House needs to do is post his long-form birth certificate.

Posted by: kwoods2 | December 4, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

At first I wondered how a woman this stupid could keep making the front page news and then I remembered this is the Washington Post.

Posted by: DrewKnox | December 4, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Palin scares the he!! out of the left. They can't stop trying to convince their self's that she a flake. LOL Quite down your fear is showing.

Posted by: askgees | December 4, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

AWWNats:

Thank you!

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey Steven...It's not about being a Republican or Democrat. A conservative or a liberal. Its about having a degree of grounded intellegence. John McCain (who we know wasn't born on American soil) is a decent man but his unfortunate legacy is imposing the plague of Sarah Palin on the American people.

Posted by: PracticalIndependent | December 4, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey Steven...It's not about being a Republican or Democrat. A conservative or a liberal. Its about having a degree of grounded intellegence. John McCain (who we know wasn't born on American soil) is a decent man but his unfortunate legacy is imposing the plague of Sarah Palin on the American people.

Posted by: PracticalIndependent | December 4, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey Steven...It's not about being a Republican or Democrat. A conservative or a liberal. Its about having a degree of grounded intellegence. John McCain (who we know wasn't born on American soil) is a decent man but his unfortunate legacy is imposing the plague of Sarah Palin on the American people.

Posted by: PracticalIndependent | December 4, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

He was vetted before becoming a U.S. Senator.

Posted by: publish | December 4, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

The idea the President lacks a valid birth certificate flies in the face of a full field background investigation conducted by the FBI prior to being elected a Senator from Illinois.

Posted by: BillWarnock1 | December 4, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

She's trying to have it both ways-give a little wink to the birther nutbags, then feign indignation that she was misunderstood when she gets called on it.

Posted by: whirlwind81 | December 4, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Classic60:

She's not going away and has every right to speech (as the "conspiracy theorists).

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

It would seem to me that a copy of the original birth certificate should be made available to the public so that we can move on to more important things ...

... unless there IS something to hide...

print it and move on.

Posted by: AWWNats | December 4, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

As to the question of POTUS's location of birth: The question has been asked and answered, Your Honor, many times. Apparently the answer does not satisfy some folks. If he black then he not from here. He not a Real American like, say, Dubya is.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | December 4, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: (-:

Looking forward to 2010!

Posted by: Straightline | December 4, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I doubt if she thinks any black person is a citizen of the usa.

Posted by: 11kap | December 4, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Did you say past associations, bimbo?

Like your past association with secessionists? You stepped in it this time!

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | December 4, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Oh, good grief!!!!!

Too bad her book has made her rich enough to continue peddling this nonsense without worrying about how to make a living. Reminds me of another demagogue in the late 1920s and early 1930s who made a lot of money selling his hate-filled rants to a willing public.

Posted by: apn3206 | December 4, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Tell Trailer Trash Palin to shutup! She doesn't know what she is talking about. Go away, fool, we don't want to hear from you again.

Posted by: Classic60 | December 4, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Straightline:

LOL!!!

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

No, writinron, Gov. Palin is saying that "conspiracy theorists" FROM BOTH SIDES have every right to ask questions.

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

This woman sometimes usually insult her own intelligence whatever little she has. Attention freak. Her advisors need to tell her to take a break, because she is just stupid.

Posted by: instinct227 |

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Yeah right... like you should talk. You can't even put together a coherent sentence.

Posted by: Straightline | December 4, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

JoeT1:

We just want to see whatever Dr. Fukino saw ("vault" original, "vital records", copy, whatever it is called).

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

palin said:

"So maybe we can reverse that and use the same [inaudible word] type-thinking on the other one."
________


classy AND smart yet not very articulate!

Posted by: forestbloggod | December 4, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

She's a freakin' nut.

Posted by: mitlen | December 4, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Call JakeD. Stat!

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | December 4, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

A bulldog with lipstick who quits midterm shouldn't be saying that past associations and experience are fair game. The ONLY reason she gets press is that a significant percentage of Americans apparently believe in alien abductions and sightings of the Virgin Mary on toast.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | December 4, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Palin has sadly slipped so far from the coveted spotlight of last year that she's now resorted to debating herself (a not-so-formidable opponent).

Palin 1: Look how unfairly I was treated--they even questioned whether I was Trig's mother--ridiculous!

Palin 2: Questions about Obama's citizenship are just like those questions about whether Trig was my baby--a fair question!

Posted by: writinron | December 4, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

God forbid that Ms. Palin would run for President in 2012, or worse to be President.
Her contributions are so far out. She offers Saturday Nite Live much material to use. I feel for all the people who receive her venom.

Posted by: BillR | December 4, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

B2O2:

Did you read the following BEFORE posting?!

"At no point - not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews - have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States."

Posted by: JakeD | December 4, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

pmedez: there's no such thing as a "vault" birth certificate - you and the other "birther" lunatic fringe need to listen to sane folks. Palin has just proven she's not one of them. If lunatics ask her about her son, then it's OK for lunatics to still question Obama's birth, even if she knows perfectly well he was born in Hawaii? That means she is endorsing the lunacy. Obama would never say it would be fair game to question Trig's parentage - would he? doubt it.

Posted by: JoeT1 | December 4, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

The Four Rights of a Repubby Entitlement Brat

1. War

2. Cheap Labor

3. Govt Bailouts

4. Low Taxes

Posted by: 76yourfriend | December 4, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

This woman sometimes usually insult her own intelligence whatever little she has. Attention freak. Her advisors need to tell her to take a break, because she is just stupid.

Posted by: instinct227 | December 4, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, it's fitting at least that she would jump in with both feet to the birther's end of the pool. The Republican base is certifiably psychotic, and Palin is the perfect leader for them.

Posted by: B2O2 | December 4, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Astonishing.

Will the rest of the Republican establishment distance themselves from this stupidity?

Posted by: Hillman1 | December 4, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

>>>>Palin seemingly thought the better of her approach and took to Facebook to say that, while she may have said she supports others questioning the president about his citizenship, she herself has not raised such questions.

Inciting without taking responsibility for inciting is common among con artists.
Bush & Co. incited a majority of Americans (primarily Bushies) to believe Sadaam was responsible for Sept. 11 - but Bush & Co. claimed they never said it.

What they did say and do was - claimed Sadaam was cavorting with Sept. 11 terrorists and had planes capable of spraying the U.S. east coast with biological weapons - {GASP!} - and they began raising the {{{terror}}} alert level to HIGH!

Faux News and the "liberal" media took it from there....


Posted by: angie12106 | December 4, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

>>>>Palin seemingly thought the better of her approach and took to Facebook to say that, while she may have said she supports others questioning the president about his citizenship, she herself has not raised such questions.

Inciting without taking responsibility for inciting is common among con artists.
Bush & Co. incited a majority of Americans (primarily Bushies) to believe Sadaam was responsible for Sept. 11 - but Bush & Co. claimed they never said it.

What they did say and do was - claimed Sadaam was cavorting with Sept. 11 terrorists and had planes capable of spraying the U.S. east coast with biological weapons - {GASP!} - and they began raising the {{{terror}}} alert level to HIGH!

Faux News and the "liberal" media took it from there....


Posted by: angie12106 | December 4, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Palin was a long shot to begin with. Between her resignation and appealing to to the birthers, her fate is sealed if she runs for 2012, as both will come back to haunt her if she wins.

Posted by: UnPatriotic | December 4, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey Steven7753 now you are old and naive. You make no sense thats why you like Palin and her silly baseless comments. Get over it.

Posted by: waysonp | December 4, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Why is it so crazy to wonder why Obama has gone through such elaborate and expensive lengths to keep secret things like the vault copy of his birth certificate, and his college & law school admissions forms?

Personally, I doubt he was born in Kenya, although I wouldn't rule it out. But I am extremely curious as to why such simple and seemingly innocent documents have been turned into state secrets!

Posted by: pmendez | December 4, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Hey Republicans - this total numbskull is the best you got? How long would she last in a debate with the President? About 7 seconds. Let this pathetic person ramble on to the Republican nomination! Bring it on, Republicans!

Posted by: mjwies11 | December 4, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I love Sarah; she's the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: HillRat | December 4, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Reason #56 why she will never, ever be president of this country.

Posted by: andrewgerst@hotmail.com | December 4, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I think we should ask if Palin is really from earth. She seems to have no touch with reality.

Posted by: mdembski1 | December 4, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Of course.

Posted by: joshlct | December 4, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a 100% loser. She's out of it, mentally and will never reach the WH.

junglejamm-you are what you called the President, except you are a bad one.

Posted by: Letsgetapizza | December 4, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Fair question...we need verification that Mrs. Palin has a valid High School diploma! Mrs. Palin's inability to speak intelligently about ANYTHING is a disgrace to intelligent women....Let's ignore her...maybe she will go away!!!

Posted by: rbj0406 | December 4, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The fact is that Obama is not a US Citizen because even if he was born in Hawaii the father was already married to a woman in Kenya and in the US fraudulently. Therefore, Barry O is a "bastard" as his parents were not legally married.

Posted by: junglejamm | December 4, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

The media should seriously question her IQ.

Posted by: pkbishop1 | December 4, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Go Palin Go! I love the woman.

Posted by: steven7753 | December 4, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Whywhywhywhywhywhywhy does ANYONE take this woman seriously? Why does anyone take anything she SAYS seriously? What is actually newsworthy about Sarah Palin is the unfettered gullibility of the American public who gives any credence to anything she says about anything. I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but even I know rank opportunism coupled with abysmal ignorance and shameful self-aggrandizement and self-promotion when I see it. Other people can't see this? Here's the real story, Post: analyze and write about the people who evidently believe anything Palin utters. That'll be fun reading!

Posted by: sailmaker1943 | December 4, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Just as I always say: liberals are the most insulting people I know. They act like anything they disagree with is stupid and baseless and people that have other opinions than them are less than human. I'm proud to never be a Democrat again. I was a Democrat when I was young and naive - never again will I vote Democrat.

Posted by: steven7753 | December 4, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I hope this bimbo keeps talking, she's going to take down the whole repuglican party with her.

Posted by: calif-joe | December 4, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

NO, I refuse to think she's as dumb as a fox and "knows what to sell". She's not the smart, nor were here advisors, nor was John McCain. Palin obviously is simply trying to appeal to "everyone" at the same time instead of doing what the majority of sensible and fair minded people do - ignore the fringe. She's not brilliantly strategizing here, she simply wants to tip toe around all issues and try not to piss anyone off.

The ONLY brilliant people involved with Palin are the voters in the United States of America who *soundly* defeated her and all she stands for in 2008.

-jim

Posted by: JimGoldbloom1 | December 4, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Oboy!
This dumb broad is far more stupid than I had ever imagined.
No wonder she thinks she is an expert in international relations because she can see Russia from her backyard. Now I see why the Texas Moron thinks he is an astrophysicist: he sees stars when he is smashed.

Posted by: analyst72 | December 4, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

palin can't garner enough GOP support to run for ANY office. she's a media distraction -- she loves the attention and is way too stupid to realize nobody takes her seriously (except maybe her lunatic fringe supporters).

she's a circus all of her own.

Posted by: FranknErnest | December 4, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

What does an Alaskan know about US citizenship?

Posted by: HardyW | December 4, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who's more stupid... Palin or the teabaggers who follow here and her moron counterpart Glen Beck.

Truly sad.

Posted by: lpe397 | December 4, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Is there a word or term for a female weasel?

Posted by: Spectator | December 4, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh my heavens! Palin is even nuttier than I thought! And paranoid, but I guess we already knew that.

Posted by: jaynashvil | December 4, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame that such a lunatic fringe cult movement could be be taken seriously by anyone. If you take any of the right wing's rantings seriously, you're either insane or incredibly stupid. If you're neither of these, and you encourage this kind of idiocy for political gain, then you're an immoral reprobate and should be ashamed of yourself, if you had any sense of shame.
We the people need to get things done for the people. Either help, or move out of the way. Stop allowing yourselves to be manipulated by rich crooks, and influenced by people like Palin who obviously don't know s**t from Shinola.

Posted by: rooster54 | December 4, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Are Ms. Palin's MC HAMMER glasses fair game? Is she giving the HAMMER royalties from wearing these things? This question is commensurate with the level of discussions we should be having regarding Ms. Palin.

Posted by: sgoldstein1 | December 4, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse


She is a fringe group all by herself.


Posted by: mortified469 | December 4, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

You also need to understand that it's a fair question to ask if Palin's IQ is over 30. Just more pandering to the nutbag crowd...

Posted by: rbaldwin2 | December 4, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Gotta hand it to her - the girl knows what sells. I still can't take her seriously as a politician because right now she's just in money making/image setting mode. (and doing very well!)

She won't shift into actual campaign mode until after the 2010 election.

Posted by: KS100H | December 4, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

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