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Democrats vow there will be a health-care bill


House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told reporters Tuesday that there will be health-care legislation, even if a Republican wins the U.S. Senate seat in a special election in Massachusetts, depriving the Democrats of a 60-vote Senate majority. (The Associated Press)

By Web Politics Editor  |  January 19, 2010; 5:15 PM ET
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"When there is trouble in Massachusetts rest assured there is trouble everywhere and they know it"
Scott Brown

Posted by: militarymom1 | January 19, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Score one for Sen. Reid and Sen. Nelson for creating an unpassable health care bill. A bill that changed the national dynamic as seen today beginning with Massachusetts.

Score a couple of more for President Obama's useless White House team who backed off a smaller bill that included incremental access to Medicare and shoring up Medicaid.

Naw...these hog dogs wanted the whole tamale...they will get nothing. Or, if they ramrod the bill through congress, it will be the end of the Democrats for a few years...maybe 5 years or more.

I'm still a fan of the President, but at the same time I have never been a Democrat. If I lived in Massachusetts, I would have voted for Brown.

How Obama's team put could have put the fate of healthcare into the hands of congress and especially the likes of Sen. Reid is beyond me.

Posted by: Vunderlutz | January 19, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

In ya face, yahsa idiot. blah blah blah. The level of discourse here is just pathetic.

Hey REPUBS, it was your President that bailed out wall street. It was under your President, that failed to oversee the Banks, that housing bubble, and let to the collapse of the financial industry.
Somehow, the wormtounges of fox news have you convince that it is Obama's fault. Indeed, a bigger stimulus should have been suggested, but the repugs threatend to filibuster.

I guarantee the inability of either side to govern, due to the filibuster, will lead to more extremism. The result will be the repugs will eliminate it. Hence, I recommend that the Dems do it first. Then govern. Pass another stimulus of 700 billion, with 350 billion being tax cuts. The rest should be to cover state deficits this year, with the provision that they maintain spending, and don't raise taxes.

It was Obama that passed the reinvestment act, that gave tax breaks, money to schools, roads, and other infrastructure. Something republicans used to do. When my grandfather was a republican, they created school systems, invested in people, passed women's sufferage, and support civil rights. Ironically this is now the purview of the Democrats.

Posted by: sarlat | January 19, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

In ya face, yahsa idiot. blah blah blah. The level of discourse here is just pathetic.

Hey REPUBS, it was your President that bailed out wall street. It was under your President, that failed to oversee the Banks, that housing bubble, and let to the collapse of the financial industry.
Somehow, the wormtounges of fox news have you convince that it is Obama's fault. Indeed, a bigger stimulus should have been suggested, but the repugs threatend to filibuster.

I guarantee the inability of either side to govern, due to the filibuster, will lead to more extremism. The result will be the repugs will eliminate it. Hence, I recommend that the Dems do it first. Then govern. Pass another stimulus of 700 billion, with 350 billion being tax cuts. The rest should be to cover state deficits this year, with the provision that they maintain spending, and don't raise taxes.

It was Obama that passed the reinvestment act, that gave tax breaks, money to schools, roads, and other infrastructure. Something republicans used to do. When my grandfather was a republican, they created school systems, invested in people, passed women's sufferage, and support civil rights. Ironically this is now the purview of the Democrats.

Posted by: sarlat | January 19, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

From the looks of things, they may not make it till November..

Posted by: militarymom1 | January 19, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

You've got it garygill!!!! GOOD IDEAS!!!

Posted by: militarymom1 | January 19, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

If Democrats think they can pass the health care bill in spite of overwhelming public opposition to the bill, they better be looking for real estate in their home districts come November.

Posted by: diehardlib | January 19, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

This victory for the country is already yesterday's news. The Republicans need to seize the moment and offer a plan for real health care reform which is as follows:

1. preempt state law and allow health insurance to be sold across state lines;

2. Create transparency in medical pricing so that consumer can choose best price for medical services;

3. Provide government backed medical loans for the high deductibles for catastrophic medical insurance coverage (high deductible catastrophic insurance will cut insurance cost by 2/3rds).

4. Provide web site that shows where uninsured patients can get health care services.

5. Provide incentives to medical providers to provide medical mentoring services that will provide free or inexpensive health care coverage. Included in this is no liability for medical services rendered.

6. Provide Tort reform that limits punitive damages to $250,000.

7. Promote physical activity through tax incentives by passing president fitness test for age group.

By taking this victory and providing real health care reform, the Republicans can do this nation and the rest of the world that depends upon our private healthcare system a great favor. Remember Republican, people want health care reform, they just didn't want what the democrats served them.

Our motto is not "Yes, we can," but "Is it done, yet!" So what's the answer, my fellow Republicans?

Posted by: garygill | January 19, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Obamacare is dead, even if Madame Speaker hasn't figured that out yet. Cap and Trade is even more dead than it already was, if that is even possible. There will be no vote on health-care in the Senate until Brown takes his seat. Watch.

Posted by: GovFlack | January 19, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Nancy, go for it...if you think you can be slick and pass a bill, your party will be toasted even more...go for it...I double dog dare ya...LMAO

Posted by: powerange | January 19, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

ceejay1 wrote: "There isn't real health care reform. That's why Coakley lost. Phony reform and catchy slogans promising change won't do anymore, not when the same old players end up in the same old positions of power and expect to hand the middle class the bill while sheltering their rich benefactors."

Today the DOW rose by 115 points based on an expected Caokley loss. Guess which industry sector led that rise? Big Pharma and health insurers. Guess why they are expecting big future profits if the health care reform goes down? Guess whose money they expect to get? Guess who will have less money as it is funneled to these guys in your deductions and non-payments by insurers?

You poor teabaggers haven't a clue. You don't understand the economy even after its was wrecked by the republicans (the fundamentals of our economy are sound!), don't understand how to fight wars as evidenced by Iraq (where's all the wmd?) and afghanistan (who cares where osama is?).

Keep whacking at America and benefiting the wealthy until there is no middle class. And what will truly be astounding is that when America is finally ruined you'll still blame the democrats.

Posted by: Fate1 | January 19, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Re Posted by: maxtor0 | January 19, 2010 10:15 PM:

You are right on the mark! The Democrats have sold us out. I didn't even care that they lost this election. Unless someone with the integrity of Ralph Nader appears, the Dems will never again have my vote. (Mind you: not that the Republicans will.)

Posted by: farhorizons | January 19, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

militarymom and you other dingbat revolutionaries better show up with a lot more than tea bags you treasonous wingnuts. Obaman is still President and the Democrats are the majority party. Until you get that and change by way of the ballot, shut up.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | January 19, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats lost. Why? Outright arrogance and stupidity.

The Health care bill should have passed in August - With a PUBLIC OPTION.

The Public wanted a public option, The GOP did not, So, what do the Democrats do? they tell the public to P*ss off, and give the GOP what it wanted.

The Public objected to being FORCED to buy insurance at outlandish prices. The Insurance companies loved it. So, what do the Democrats do? they tell the public to P*ss off, and give the Insurance Companies what they wanted.

The Democrats have been telling the public to P*ss off quite a bit the last year or so.

Being a staunch Democrat, I have voted Democrat for decades. This past year, because my party spent the year dithering, kow-towing to Blue Dogs, Red dogs the GOP, Big Pharma, Insurance Companies, Wall Street and the banks, out of sheer disgust, I voted a sorry worthless GOP into office as Governor of Virginia.

Did My Party get the message? No. They kept right on, on the same tack, never looking at what us regular folks, (Not the "tea Partiers, Not the town hallers, not the GOP Shills)wanted, but telling us what we were gonna get.

Well, thanks to this attitude, what we will get is the shortest interval between dominant party and party of obscurity ever.

And it's not Obama. Its just the Arrogance lack of respect for those of us out of work, lacking insurance, lacking the ability to pay our bills.

The Folks in Washington go to "parties" We attend soup lines and try to find a job, while they threaten to financially punish us if we don't buy insurance.

I, who once marveled that we would have a health care bill, pray for its death as an abomination crafted to please big money, the GOP, and other assorted interests while tossing the regular folks some very expensive sops.

So, Democrats, party of my father, and my father's father, take us for granted, and reap what you have sown.

Posted by: maxtor0 | January 19, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

IF they do this, THEY will be 100% responsible for a REVOLUTION.

Posted by: militarymom1 | January 19, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the Democrats will finally FIGHT and do the job we elected them to do. They are really slackers with a shameful work ethic. We want reform. Whatever it takes. Fifty hours a week in your office? Do it. Fifty weeks a year without the long holiday breaks? Do it. Brown-bag lunches instead of expensive meals with lobbyists? Do it. Do it for us, your voters. Your dumb working-class or out-of-work or underpaid voters.

Posted by: farhorizons | January 19, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

rasch...wake up. One year has been more than enough. People don't want ANYBODY negotiating behind closed doors, blatanly excluding the other party, and negotiating with Union mafiosos to essentially buy votes at the expense of the American people. An inexcusable disrepect to not only our elected officials, but to American citizens as well. This administration is chaotic, and it appears that the only way they will pass legislation and proceed with their agenda is to force it down people's throats. We will not accept tyranny, be it from the left or the right.

Posted by: scmonty1 | January 19, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Face it America, these idealogical obsessed fools will NEVER get it!

We need to throw these fools out of office in 2010 and in 2012!

Posted by: TRUTHTELLER13 | January 19, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

There isn't real health care reform. That's why Coakley lost. Phony reform and catchy slogans promising change won't do anymore, not when the same old players end up in the same old positions of power and expect to hand the middle class the bill while sheltering their rich benefactors.

Thank you, Massachusetts voters. The rest of us will join you in November. The Democrats still don't get it. They think we're Republicans! We are, in fact, the change we want to see in the world, and we're not safely stereotyped and dismissed.

Some more from Gandhi: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

Posted by: ceejay1 | January 19, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

The Massachusetts Massacre
a political autopsy- how and why obama’s presidency failed

coakley was the least significant among the losses on tuesday night. obama’s presidency not only failed, but was soundly rejected. but due to his predictive profile, obama will not comprehend the nature and extent of his failures.

obama had a systemic political failure in massachusetts.

political autopsy results–

1. while obama slept–how could massachusetts NOT be on obama’s radar screen?

obama has spent most of the year bribing senators due to a razor thin margin in the senate. yet obama sleeps while brown attacks.

more ominously obama had two systemic failures–strategic and tactical which will reappear with far more serious consequences in national security, as homeland napolitano makes coakley look like a genius.

2. strategic –obama failed to designate someone to monitor massachusetts. thats what presidents do--and obama didn’t.

obama is not only asleep at the switch, obama denies there are trains while the whistle gets louder and louder.

3. tactical–obama does not multitask well, he is hopelessly mired in a reactive mode. team obama has some great players, but the bench lacks depth.

Posted by: ProCounsel | January 19, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama’s Failed Presidency
Predictive Profile AFTER the Massachusetts Massacre

Obama's Presidency is in free fall FAILURE.

When a Republican even had a CHANCE in Massachusetts-- the verdict is in on the Obama Administration.

Team Obama was voted off the island by angry Americans fed up with the stimulus waste, cap and trade, obama's incessant asinine attacks on capitalism as he kills jobs, obamacare and most importantly 10% unemployment.

A failed embittered Presidency can be extremely dangerous--
so a profile of Obama's like FUTURE actions is critical.

In his monumental work "Hitler and Stalin" Alan Bullock notes both Hitler and Stalin were narcissists. ProCounsel is NOT stating Obama is either Hitler or Stalin. But his analysis, written long before Obama's ascendancy, is a useful model.

Bullock explains narcissism on page 11:

"In such a state only the person himself, his needs,feelings and thoughts, everything and and everybody as they relate to him are experienced as fully real, while everybody and everything otherwise lacks reality or interest."

Bullock describes the effects of narcissism and provides a predictive model useful for Obama on page 343:

"Narcissistic personalities are convinced of their special qualities and their superiority over others, and any threat to this self image--such as being criticized, shown up, or defeated--produces a violent outrage and often a desire for revenge."

Bullock cites 3 psychological reactions Stalin used to guard his narcissistic self image. Bullock credits Robert Tucker for these insights on page 356. The 3 reactions to expect for the Obama profile would be:

a. Repression–simply blankly deny the truth, no matter how obvious or even if caught on video

b. Rationalization-Admit but use the fault as proof of his zeal

c. Projection-Obama will attribute to others the motives and attitudes he refuses to admit in himself

Ironically, per the Profile Dems in the House and Senate will be in much more danger from a wounded irrelevant White House than the Republicans, as Obama will deem the Dems unworthy of him--THEY failed NOT him.

Don't believe the profile??

Just go back and review Obama's response to the Detroit airplane bombing. Obama went through all 3 stages above and that analysis is especially instructive as Obama was naked--without senior staff.

Posted by: ProCounsel | January 19, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Welp! I wanted health care as a reconciliation bill, and now it looks like that's how we're going get it. I should be more careful what I wish for.

But seriously: Democrats should get more than one year to fix everything that took Republicans 18 years to screw up.

Posted by: raschumacher | January 19, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Yes, there VILL be a health reform bill... regardless of whether it works... or is bad for the American people... because all the Democrats care about is the Democratic party being able to claim victory.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Posted by: privacy3 | January 19, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Democrats have controlled Congress for 3 years and the Whitehouse for 1. The only thing they've delivered is fanancial meltdown and a Health Insurance Industry Stimulus Bill.

Posted by: rpatoh | January 19, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

What's the point of having a majority of you're not going to use it? Pass the bill, already! NOW!

Posted by: ecglotfelty | January 19, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

What she's really saying: "We're going to pass a bill even if we have to give away EVERYTHING to republicans."

They're just asking for pyrrhic victory here, and as a principled democrat I'll be happy to see it! Until they get some spine I feel no reason to support them.

Posted by: Xerxes501 | January 19, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

It's hot poker time for the Dhemorrhoids.
Bend over and grunt hard!

Posted by: greg3 | January 19, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

There had BETTER be a healthcare bill!! I didn't vote Democratic to see them get cowed by a bunch of old, fat, tea-party freaks. Grow a pair, Democrats!!

Posted by: clampson | January 19, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Nancy should vow to get a face lift as well.

Posted by: BO__Stinks | January 19, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Because Democrats DO NOT GET IT! They're going to do what they want to do regardless of what the people want.

They're amazingly stupid creatures.

Posted by: RobParker | January 19, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

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