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Giuliani slams Obama, gets fact-checked

Updated 12:53 p.m.
By Ben Pershing
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani lashed out at the Obama administration's anti-terrorism strategy Friday, saying in an interview with ABC News that the White House was making a grave mistake by trying the Christmas Day bombing suspect in civilian rather than military court. But Giuliani also attracted some criticism of his own from Democrats and media watchdogs, after saying during his "Good Morning America" appearance, "We had no domestic attacks under Bush. We've had one under Obama."

The Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, which helped catapult Giuliani to national prominence, occurred during the first year of George W. Bush's presidency. That same year, five people were killed when anthrax was mailed to a variety of government and private offices. And that December, Richard Reid was stopped during an attempt to blow up a trans-Atlantic flight with a bomb in his shoe. The liberal watchdog group Media Matters catalogs other examples.

Giuliani's assertion caught the eye of the blogosphere. TalkingPointsMemo headlined its post, "Mr. 9/11 Gets Amnesia." Huffington Post writes that Giuliani "has joined fellow Republicans ... in seeming to forget that the September 11th attacks happened under President Bush." ABC News correspondent Jake Tapper tweeted that Giuliani's comment "is false no matter how you slice it" and "also gets at the truly dishonest revisionism that Bush's presidency somehow began on 9/12/2001."

In addition to suggesting that America was safer under Bush, Giuliani argued that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab should face a military tribunal rather than a civilian court, as the former option would allow government interrogators to get more information out of him. Giuliani also criticized the decision to try alleged Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in federal court in New York.

"It seems to me that we're going to try the most dangerous terrorists in the wrong place," Giuliani said.

Critics have pointed out that the Bush administration frequently tried terrorism suspects in criminal court, and that Giuliani praised the decision to put convicted Sept. 11 accomplice Zacarias Moussaoui on trial in Alexandria in 2002.

Giuliani said that he hoped Obama's speech Thursday on the lessons of the Christmas Day bombing attempt meant that he had "turned the corner" on fighting terrorism, but that he would reserve judgment of the president. "I want to see what he does," Giuliani said.

By Ben Pershing  |  January 8, 2010; 12:44 PM ET
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infantry11b... at 11:11AM:
If you are a soldier, that means you are dedicated to fighting to defend our national security and way of life, doesn't it? So when a major political player and veteran of the media world like Rudy gets fools like you to "interpret" what he says rather than take his words at face value, it is a free pass for evil behavior. I also could interpret what he said and make his lie into something even more negative in turn about is fair play.

Rudy/"Mr 911" purposely said what he said, and it was a filthy ambush with political motivations - he was fragging our elected President with a major lie. Do you still feel like a loyal soldier? Truth is truth, even if we don't always like the facts. That's the problem with the GOPee these days; it thinks that its beliefs and wishes are facts, and that the truth is whatever they want it to be. That shows they are untrustworthy and not to again be trusted with power or the nuclear keys that the POTUS controls.

It is fair to say that the GOPee is consistently untrustworthy. Only Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN) has had the guts to defend Obama. At least Obama is willing to repeat Harry Truman's dictum that "The buck stops here." Something little silver spoon George W. Bush never had the courage or character to say when he had something happen, like ignore the PDB from August 2001 warning of the imminent Bin Laden attack, which he ignored.
(FYI, I am an unaffiliated independent voter who is unhappy with both parties)

Posted by: enough3 | January 9, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

WileyHall3rd: welcome to the supposed balanced reporting of WaPo. I have been copmplaining about this for quite awhile. Like the GOP "reaction" to the Xmas almost bombing was headlined for two days while the Dem reaction to them, which according to other news sources was the harshest push back yet by the Dems wasn't reported for a couple of days and in a blog posting and not a headline article. They have constantly put the reaction of the GOP, which we all know is "NO", and op-eds by Palin, Newt, Cheney, etc...ahead of the party that has the majority in both houses and the WH. Oh, and lets not forget about the frontpage popularity poll of Tiger, which reminded me of a popularity poll in a high school paper. How about headlines like "AIG Bonuses imperil Obama's agenda" when all polls should differently. and using words like MAY in a news article title puts it in the realm of op-eds:suppositions have no place in real news titles.In a "chat" the managing editors actually defended using suppositions in headlines to me. News is what has taken place, not what might. how sad to see how far into the realm of gossipy tabloid mags some "articles" actually are. oh and one of my faves, a "reporter" cancelled hosting the Politics Chat cause he had to "report" on a story from the Washington Times, the competition and conservative, about visitors to the WH. If you came here looking for the venerable and credible Washington Post of yesteryear, you'll have to really look for it. There are some very good reporting of news stories, but way too often the instances of what I mentioned out number the actual great news articles. At least with the op-eds you know by the author what to expect, but expecting balanced reporting is often an effort in futility.

Posted by: katem1 | January 9, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Dana Perino said the same thing a few weeks ago on Hannity. It was FOX, so of course she wasn't called on it. Rudy tells George Stephanopolous on GMA that there were no domestic terrorist attacks under Bush and Stephanopolous doesn't challenge him. What the H is going on?

Posted by: creatia52 | January 9, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

even fools like those who write for the post can figure out he was talking about post 911.

Posted by: infantry11b4faus | January 8, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Brit Hume, meet Rudy Giuliani. Long as you're talking about guys who cheated on their wives needing redemption...

Posted by: kravitzkravitz | January 8, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Looking at this picture, I'm wondering if his old combover was a ploy to draw attention from his horse-mouth.

Posted by: emrj | January 8, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

This is just more of the standard Republican approach to their whole sordid record. Say something flatly untrue to get it in print, and ignore the flak. Quote the article later and ignore the flak. Eventually you hav a big body of "primary documents" to try to use to write books debunking some version of your holocaust.

Over time you can say Clinton had more admin figures tried and convicted than Nixon, or that "Obama lied and people died" with a straight face and the uncritical, and those who weren't there then, can decide to believe the Republican version after all.

Somewhere we need to find a way to make the republicans take responsibility for all the lies, including admitting that a Party with such small regard for the truth doesn't deserve the trust of the American people.

But Rudi hasn't been all that careful with the truth over his career, so why should he care now.

Posted by: ceflynline | January 8, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

And this is supposed to be the "comic relief" article of the day? Forgot, we also have Krauthammer to consider....

Posted by: buzzsaw1 | January 8, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

And this is supposed to be the "comic relief" article of the day? Forgot, we also have Krauthammer to consider....

Posted by: buzzsaw1 | January 8, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

The serial liar and adulterer needs to get down on his knees and beg America's forgiveness for persuading Bush to nominate Bernie Kerik (Giuliani's crooked friend and business partner) to head Homeland Security.

Left to Giuliani, the country would have been exposed to unimaginable peril.

Posted by: WhatHeSaid | January 8, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

JoeT1:

Among the events of post 9/1 “domestic terrorism” during the GWB years, one should add:
- The July 4, 2002 killing of two tourists by Hesham Mohamed Hadayet at an LAX ticket counter.
- The 2002 Beltway Sniper’s murder of 10 motorists and his wounding of others.
- The July 28, 2006 shooting by Naveed Afzal Haq of six women, one fatally, at the Seattle Jewish Federation building.

But why is Rudy limiting acts of “domestic terrorism” during the Bush years to Muslims ? If one ignores that convenient limitation, then we must include in the GWB years:

- The post-9/11 anthrax mailings to Congress and to avarge citizens.
- The 2006 shooting in Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania, of 10 Amish school children, five fatally.
- The April 16, 2007 Virginia Tech massacre.
- The various threats of violence against abortion clinics.

Posted by: Ogguls | January 8, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Well let's look at it from another direction. If we assume he just meant "since 9/11" on the theory that no one can fault anyone for not preventing the first attack (oh wait it wasn't since they tried to get the WTC earlier - oh never mind), and assume he just forgot or didn't count the anthrax attack on some technical distinction, and didn't count the shoe bomb because it didn't go off (oh wait, then he couldn't count the underwear bomb either, oh never mind) then:

he must be calling Bush and Cheney liars for claiming that there were other attacks prevented by them. Oh wait, they probably don't count because they didn't happen, oh wait, the underwear bomb didn't go off either, oh never mind.

Posted by: JoeT1 | January 8, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Typical Republicans...so quick to discredit any opposition party that they forget recent history...the people that vote for these clowns are the most gullible, fake-patriotic idiots alive!!

Posted by: DCrealist | January 8, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Lets not forget the main OPERATORS of EVIL behind the scenes :

1) Larry Silverstein (The zionist NEOCON jew)
2) Elliot Spitzer (the wife cheater NEOCON)
3) Bloomberg (he has a lot of dead skeletons hidden in his closet .)

All these (2) and Madoff are wife cheater zionist jews.

If they can cheat on their wives, they can cheat ALL OF US. They must not be trusted with public offices.

We also have 2 dozon APEX Neocons in the Bush-Cheney Regime.

THESE are the ENABLERS of the CRIMINAL GOYIM.

Always, Zionist jews are their ENABLERS.

None of these italian mafiosos would ever succeed without their EAGERLY PROVIDED services. The JEWS are the CORRUPTORS of the GOYIM.

The power of ZIONIST jews started with the BANKSTERS.

All the EASTERN COUNTRIES which suppressed INTEREST BASED FRACTIONAL RESERVE LENDING disabled the rise of jews. This is the ONLY method of nourishmet they take since they are LAZY in hard physical work - and mentally they are NOT smart either except in CHEATING , INTRIGUE , POLITICS and DECEPTION.

Here is the RECORD of their EINSTEIN 2000 reference of AUTHORITATIVE WORK !!!

http://jewishracism.com/SaintEinstein.htm

Posted by: visit_iamthewitnessdotcom | January 8, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

THE MANUFACTURE AND SALE OF
SAINT EINSTEIN

By Christopher Jon Bjerknes

2,825 page treatise on Einstein's plagiarism, Einstein's Zionism, history of Zionism, racism, Judaism, and more. The complete book The Manufacture and Sale of Saint Einstein in one 17 Mb. PDF file can be downloaded by clicking on this link: http://www.jewishracism.com/SaintEinstein.pdf

The PDF Files are searchable. You can search for keywords, dates or names.

The book can be downloaded in smaller files chapter by chapter by clicking on the links below.

Table of Contents:

1. Einstein Discovers His Racist Calling

1.1 Introduction
1.2 The Manufacture and Sale of St. Einstein

1.2.1 Promoting the "Cult" of Einstein
1.2.2 The "Jewish Press" Sanctifies a Fellow Jew

1.3 In a Racist Era


2. The Destructive Impact of Racist Jewish Tribalism
2.1 Introduction
2.2 Do Not Blaspheme the "Jewish Saint"
2.3 Harvard University Asks a Forbidden Question
2.4 Americans React to the Invasion of Eastern European Jews

2.4.1 Jewish Disloyalty
2.4.2 In Answer to the "Jewish Question"


3. Rothschild, Rex Ivdaeorvm
3.1 Introduction
3.2 Jewish Messianic Supremacism
3.3 The "Eastern Question" and the World Wars

3.3.1 Donmeh Crypto-Jews, The Turkish Empire and Palestine
3.3.2 The World Wars—A Jewish Antidote to Jewish Assimilation

3.4 Rothschild Warmongering

3.4.1 Inter-Jewish Racism

3.4.1.1 Rothschild Power and Influence Leads to Unbearable Jewish Arrogance
3.4.1.2 Jewish Intolerance and Mass Murder of Gentiles

3.4.2 The Messiah Myth

3.5 Jewish Dogmatism and Control of the Press Stifles Debate

3.5.1 Advertising Einstein in the English Speaking World
3.5.2 Reaction to the Unprecedented Einstein Promotion
3.5.3 The Berlin Philharmonic—The Response in Germany
3.5.4 Jewish Hypocrisy and Double Standards

3.6 The Messiah Rothschilds' War on the Gentiles—and the Jews


4. Einstein the Racist Coward
4.1 Introduction
4.2 The Power of Jewish Tribalism Inhibits the Progress of Science and Deliberately Promotes "Racial" Discord
4.3 A Jew is Not Allowed to Speak Out Against a Jew
4.4 The Bad Nauheim Debate

4.4.1 Einstein Desires a "Race" War Which Will Exterminate the European Esau
4.4.2 Genocidal Judaism—Pruning the Branches of the Human Family Tree
4.4.3 Crypto-Jews
4.4.4 The Gentiles Must be Exterminated Lest God Cut Off the Jews
4.4.5 Jewish Dualism and Human Sacrifice

Posted by: visit_iamthewitnessdotcom | January 8, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Oh Rudy, Mr. Kerik, your sidekick, the guy you recommended to former President Bush to the Homeland Security secretary is in Jail...Maybe that is why you can't protect us from fear right now. What an idiot!! Go home and wear your drag outfit and put some lipstck on you pig.

Posted by: echoaxle | January 8, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I think Guiliani said that because he knows that Republican voters are stupid enough to believe anything, even if they KNOW it ain't true, if a Republican says it, it's fact.

Bush and Cheney used to make claims all the time that they were preventing attacks.

Bush and Cheney claimed they foiled an attack on Los Angeles, but we never saw anybody get arrested for that.

Nowadays, whenever I hear Rudy's name, I think of him in that Marilyn Monroe get up he wore.


Posted by: lindalovejones | January 8, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I see the Ghoul is telling his fables again.

Posted by: smtpgirl08 | January 8, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The biggest news out of that entire interview is the fact that George has completed his transition to a mindless AM airtime filler. The fact that be did not catch that shows that major revision on history just proves my point.

Posted by: Brigadere | January 8, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

So, what in the Post's opinion was the bigger news here: that Giuliani criticized Obama, that he misstated the facts or that "fact checkers" called him on it? Why lead with "slams Obama" if we know he misstated the facts? Was this the Post's pathetic attempt not to take sides?

Posted by: WileyHall3rd | January 8, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I hate to break the news to Rudy G. but Ronnie Reagan was not the Savior. It may be true the Rudy is still running for President, it's all about him.

Giuliani must be forgetting that historical Public Administration snafus occurred during Katrina on Bush43's watch. So Thank-god a third or fourth man made or natural catastrophe did not occur while the deer were stuck in headlights, fishing or riding mountain bike.

Input from snafus during 09/11 response made it into the national emergency response plan. I don't think it would be prudent to point out in public, failures incorporated leading to reaction or non reaction during Katrina. But that plan was based in part on failures in Manhattan on 09/11 which may or may not be appropriate in all scenarios.

Certainly on this earth, no one has clean hands especially when it comes to exploiting supply side spending driven acquisition of Homeland Security Assets. Put was and still is that every time a finger is pointed at someone else, there are 3 fingers pointed right back at the pointer, politicians very much included. I am disappointed that Giuliani has chosen to be a Divider and not the Uniter he once was in the wake of 09/11.

Posted by: truthhurts | January 8, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Rudy's bank account must be low if out stirring the pot again.
Twitter queen Palin is getting all the attention as well so "Here's Rudy".

Posted by: knjincvc | January 8, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

We've had no domestic attacks under Bush??? So WTF was 9/11???
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Republicans have rewritten history so that Bush's term began 9/12/01.

Posted by: checkered1 | January 8, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

What is his purpose in the wake of a weak presidential campaign showing? Security expert? Talking head? Speech giver?

Hmm. Future bureaucrat. That's it.

Posted by: mikey999 | January 8, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

WTF?? Bush had no intelligence experience, bugged out early on National Guard service, and Cheney is a five-deferment coward whose only "military" experience was as the SecDef who, at the time, made the largest cuts in defense spending in history.
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Personally, I feel Obama's lack of one minute of military or Intel experience is a huge security threat to this country and his naivete toward terrorism is mindboggling....

Posted by: AsstGM

Posted by: Bob22003 | January 8, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Fortunately for the GOP’s, the American people, in most part are indifferent to the causes of their own deaths. 9/11, Katrina’s uncalled-for excessive death toll, unjustified wars and their death toll… and so on. Is anyone counting?

Posted by: Shanan1 | January 8, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Boy, I sure am glad we let that Mr. Bush guy form a 250,000 employee bureaucracy out of thin air (DHS) for the EXPRESS PURPOSE of creating a one-stop-source to which all intel was supposed to flow, to be properly 'dot-connected' and disseminated to all concerned. Way to go, Mr. No Tax All Spend. Note to America(ns that voted for Bush) (For the 3,014,876 time): "I told you so".

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | January 8, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Rudy Giuliani - just another lying Republi-con.

Posted by: SilverSpring8 | January 8, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Why in the world was anyone asking Rudy anything? He is not in the intelligence business, he is not involved in government, he is just another Joe on the street. So why does ABC give this guy a microphone, and, when lies come out, why do they sit there? Maybe part of Michael Steele's plan to regain republican control but I ain't buyin' his book to find out.

And please, don't have Rudy back to explain himself. As we use to say, enough is enough.

Posted by: Fate1 | January 8, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

No domestic attacks during the Republican administration? Rudy must be suffering from advanced dementia!

Posted by: gargoyle22 | January 8, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

the sick part is cheney and his followers believe this.and have some americans blaming clinton for 9/11. with zero ac countabililty to the bush administration.i know a guy that still believes clinton initated and got nafta through congress.even after showing him it was ghwb.

Posted by: donaldtucker | January 8, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

ColleenHarper wrote:
Not only have they fact checked Obama, they've fact checked Palin, Limbaugh, Beck and more. They don't have a political axe to grind against any party. They call ALL politicians out on their lies - and give credit where credit is due.Obama doesn't come out smelling like roses, but he's about equal to Limbaugh. Check out the two for comparisons.
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Obama is the president. Rush is a mere radio talk show host. An entertainer. If you can't see the difference, you're beyond help.

Posted by: lure1 | January 8, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I feel Obama's lack of one minute of military or Intel experience is a huge security threat to this country

Posted by: AsstGM
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Obama gave a speech at West Point recently. This gives him more military experience than Mr. Mission Accomplished has ever had. Just sayin'.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | January 8, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey ProCounsel, yu need to connect some dots yourself:
"Napolitano’s Failure

The primary systemic failure was the failure to assign specific responsibility to follow up on the known strategic and tactical terrorist threat.

Basically everyone’s job is nobody’s job.

To our pleasant surprise the President acknowledged this under “Breakdown of Accountability” in the report, and we can therefore discuss this PUBLICLY.

This was Napolitano’s responsibilty as Secretary of Homeland Security."

You are as clueless as you claim her to be at fault.

There were failings for certain but to lay all at Homeland Security is incorrect. The CIA doesn't report to that Department, The National Counterterrorism Center doesn't report to her. The FBI doesn't report to her and the Ambassador and his/her country team, CIA station chief and almost every other agency and person involved in this near catastrophe don't report to her or DHS. So tell me procounsel, what exactly is it that she could have and should have done? Flown to Amsterdam, and personally screen him as he passed through that airport?

Typical Republcan cr*p. You guys are all about accountability after nearly a decade of zero accountability from the Bush administration and schmucks like Guiliani. Go crawl back under your rock.

Posted by: army164 | January 8, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

We've had no domestic attacks under Bush??? So WTF was 9/11???

Posted by: sjcsando | January 8, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Americans killed under Obama's watch...0
Americans killed under Bush's watch..3,000
That says it all I think..........

Posted by: logcabin1836 | January 8, 2010 3:12 PM |

You forgot to count the thousands of American soldiers and citizens who died in Iraq and Afganistan. It was ALL started by Bush!!! Where is the WMD??

Posted by: mugengsr1 | January 8, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The for more mayor is a idiot And so are all the cable stations the President took all responsibility for this so shut the hell up the Republicans have nothing to say Not one Idea in a year for these A holes and for the media enough of your Roderic

Posted by: mernatti123 | January 8, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Clinton owns 9-11 attack. He had numerous changes to kill off the threat but failed to do it.

Posted by: speedo1 | January 8, 2010 3:22 PM

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By that logic, Bush owns every Al-Qeda attack since Tora Bora.

Posted by: js_edit | January 8, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I have to admit that I voted for Rudy as Mayor twice - the first term he was abusive but effective, and the second term he was an absolute bastard and scumbag, strutting about in public with his mistress and working to defend various murders by the police (Amadou Diallo was shot 41 times by a bevy of NYC police despite having his hands in the air and having done nothing wrong or suspicious.) His reputation was rescued in the last 3 months by being mayor when a huge act of domestic terrorism occurred in NYC - 911. And then Mr. 911 (Mr. 3 words - Joe Biden.)
So Rudy is now just a ridiculous figure, and no apology or excuse can restore his reputation. What a miserable sad sack.
He has lost all credibility.

As for Stephanopoulos, what in the world was he thinking when Rudy blatantly lied and he sat there and said nothing to correct or ask Rudy if he wanted to make a correction of such a glaringly bald and false inflamatory statement. George Stephanopoulos, son of the Greek Orthodox church head in the US, has lost his credentials as an objective journalist, and soul, and needed no preparation or post interview fact checking to be able to insert a correction immediately, or to probe this ridiculous statement on the spot. ABC should suspend the SOB for being an enabler and denier of 911, like they would an on-the-air Holocaust denier.
This is so outrageous that the FCC should sanction this national insult to the history changing tragedy that will effect our country forever. Banish them both from the airwaves? Nah, just play it a thousand times on a split screen while Rudy and George are talking about it all on screen over the last 8 years for irony.
And I am an independent, unaffiliated voter.

Posted by: enough3 | January 8, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Rudy should join Michael Steele and Sarah Palin to do comedy routines....I'd say sort of like the Three Stooges, but no, there's no comparison. The Three Stooges had talent. Rudy should go back to shilling for his good friend Bernie Kerik, another great Republican.

Posted by: Bob22003 | January 8, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

If you watch closely you'll see that Rudy's pants have a suspicious split in the back. I believe that's where Puppetmaster Cheney shoves his arm up to the shoulder.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | January 8, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Wow, is that Rudy's nose growing? Maybe some day he'll be a real, live boy.

Posted by: MDcrab1 | January 8, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Fortunately for the GOP’s, the American people, in most part are indifferent to the causes of their own deaths. 9/11, Katrina’s uncalled-for excessive death toll, unjustified wars and their death toll… and so on.

Posted by: Shanan1 | January 8, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Stephanopolous should be placed over a barrel and caned for his inability to call out even the most evident of lies. The failure here is ABC news' for hiring a lackadaisical midget to interview the people who wish to lead this nation to ruination.

And Guiliani? Well, I've never believed a word that he's uttered. I expect him to lie. More than this, I expect he'll have only half-wits believing the tripe that emanates from his maw.

Posted by: ericapple | January 8, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Mayor Dumbass with a funny accent, needs to go away, write a book on how you profited, distorted, and how to inject fear into the stupid. You silly Republicans have used your fear tactics for decades, now people are catching on. You will lose more elections.

Posted by: porcelainproductions | January 8, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Clinton owns 9-11 attack. He had numerous changes to kill off the threat but failed to do it.

Posted by: speedo1 | January 8, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"truly dishonest revisionism" = a lie

When do we start calling lies, lies?

Only when they concern Bill Clinton's penis, apparently.

Posted by: ana1ana2 | January 8, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

All Republican Repugnants do is LIE.

So do their media sycophants.

Posted by: bs2004 | January 8, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Yes 9/11 occurred during Bush's watch. But please also admit that yes, that attack was planned and put in motion four years prior to 9/11 with known terrorists taking flight lessons in the US - during Clinton's watch. It was just a fatal mistake by both administrations.

Personally, I feel Obama's lack of one minute of military or Intel experience is a huge security threat to this country and his naivete toward terrorism is mindboggling - but I also fault more the security processes in the Netherlands for the Christmas bomber than a huge failure on US security. I'll cut him a break on that and hopefully he'll be smart enough to realize it's his wake-up call and bullet dodged.

Posted by: AsstGM | January 8, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I guess those who are blaming Napolitano haven't read the "Summary of the White House Review of the 25 December, 2009 Attempted Terrorist Attack (in pdf form NYT today).

Clearly stated is that National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC)and CIA analysts failed to connect the dots and that there was an inherent failure in the system set up during the Bush administration whereby the mechanism for actually reporting a threat had been overlooked.

Do your homework before you blab away!!!

Posted by: FedUp1 | January 8, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Americans killed under Obama's watch...0
Americans killed under Bush's watch..3,000
That says it all I think..........

Posted by: logcabin1836 | January 8, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Wow - aren't you guys a news organization? Don't you fact check? I think you can safely report that he lied on network television.

Posted by: johndale | January 8, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"Napolitano dismantled and short circuited the existing system she inherited which DID assign accountability."


OK, when and how did "Napolitano dismantl and short circuit the existing system"?

Posted by: knjincvc | January 8, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Rudi is the greasiest pol in America. Everyone hated him before 9/11. He and governor Pakaki had not spoken in 2 years. He is an jerk.

Posted by: sablerm25 | January 8, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

PS.....and if you want to talk about intelligence failures....how about those Weapons of Mass Destruction that Iraq was supposed to have. You know the main (bogus) reason we invaded the wrong country. Add another 4,400 deaths to the Bush adminsitration's intelligence blunders.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | January 8, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"No domestic attacks under Bush" says Giuliani. Really. How could Mr. 9/11 forget that 9/11 was under the Bush Administration. Now that's what I call spin. The Republicans are so good at it.

Message to Mr. Giuliani....3,000 Americans died under GEORGE BUSH's watch, let's see ....how many under Obama???......zero

Posted by: logcabin1836 | January 8, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Should also mention....Stephanolpoulis has as much journalistic credibility as Little Debbie Howell. Which is to say he has none.

Posted by: duckofdeath | January 8, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Now that Heath Ledger's out of the way, Rudy Giuliani would make great Joker in the next installment of Batman.

Posted by: jjedif | January 8, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Exhibit # 278,451 why the corporate owned media, the Washington Post very much included, can no longer be trusted to inform our increasingly misinformed polity, and why they are going out of business. Stephanopoulis just sat there nodding his head like the blow dried cream puff hack he is. You'll note that even this article admits it was up to the blogosphere to correct ABC as ABC refused to correct itself.

Posted by: duckofdeath | January 8, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

No domestic terror attacks, eh Rudy? Let's exclude the fantastically obvious events of 9/11 - which the former Mayor of NYC has apparently already forgotten.

Excluding that day, there were literally hundreds of attacks within the United States by groups identified by the Justice Department as domestic terror organizations during the Bush Misadministration.

The most active during this period were the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) and the Earth Liberation Front (ELD) - left-wing extremists further antagonized by loud-mouth neoconservative w*nkers like Rudy.

Just imagine how much more effective and unifying our nation's reaction to the terrible events of 9/11 would have been with competent leadership instead of mental midgets like Bush and Giuliani in the driver's seat.

Posted by: transorbital | January 8, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

GOP THOUGHT PROCESS:

1) Attacks that happened under Bush: Clinton's fault. Attacks that happen under Obama: Obama's fault

2) Bush tries terrorists in civilian courts: perfectly acceptable. Obama tries terrorists in civilian courts: Seriously endangering the country

3) Attacks happen under Obama: He isn't qualified to protect the country. Attacks that happen under the GOP: what attacks?

Posted by: maurban | January 8, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone, ever, known an honest, decent Republican nazi?
That he lies, and lies, is well known. This sack of garbage not only lies now about WHO was in charge when the 9/11 attack took place. But the fricking idiot has the gall to say that no attack took place under the Texas Moron (how stupid he is!).
Is there a nazi Repo with at least an IQ35?

Posted by: analyst72 | January 8, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

So Giuliani is a hypocritical liar, and his positions don't vaguely correspond to the real world. Isn't that pretty much a pre-requisite to being in the national GOP?

Posted by: omarsidd | January 8, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Old man go away, you are irrelevent!

Stephanopolis/ABC - go figure.

Posted by: Sirius2 | January 8, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Between Cheney's continuing attacks, Palin's recent book, Steele's new book, and now Rudy's amnesia-based comments, the Republican party should buy stock in Depends. It's incredible how so much patronizing verbal diarrhea can be spread around.

Posted by: glazer68 | January 8, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry Mr. Guliani, the policies of George Bush and the GOP brought us 9/11, the stock market crash of '92, the resulting financial meltdown and double-digit unemployment, a nearly decade-long pointless war in Iraq, the freedom of Bin Laden and al-Quaeda to entrench themselves in afghanistan, and untold misery to millions. All the Obama-bashing you can possibly do won't change any of that.

Posted by: nashvillemykl | January 8, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Partisans traditionally blame their opponents for the very behaviors they indulge in.

There's nothing new here.

But Giuliani isn't even good at it.

His is just pure hypocrisy.

Posted by: mbus | January 8, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"KJR1, would you please tell me when in the last century-and-a-half the GOP has had any "street cred"?? Street cred?????!!! (Perhaps I've missed your sarcasm?)

Posted by: jleatherhead"

He's referring to Wall Street.

Posted by: thrh | January 8, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

For a man of whom Joe Biden once said that all his sentences had three elements, a subject, a verb and 9/11, Mr. Giuliani seems to have an impressively short (or, perhaps, situational) memory.

President Bush received a memo that bin Laden was determined to attack within the U.S. a month before the 9/11 attack and did nothing. He then claimed the mantle of protector of the United States, in a brazen act of hypocrisy.

But, hey, he was a Republican, like Giuliani and Cheney. Hypocrisy comes naturally to them.

Posted by: dsspa | January 8, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Rudy, Rudy, Rudy...how could you do this? Rudy the shameless lair, and GOP political hustler strikes another blow for 1/2 truths, rhetoric and self serving alternate reality. Rudy and Dick Cheney liars of the first order, who place profit and gains over lives and truth at every turn.

Posted by: jpenergy | January 8, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

The real question is: Why the hell does ABC news think anyone cares what this drag queen has to say about terrorism anyway? Being a Mayor of a city attacked by terrorists does not make one an expert on combatting terrorism. It apparently makes you a lunatic.

Posted by: PepperDr | January 8, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

This is the same man who has made hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions, lecturing on leadership. Wonder why Americans are so cynical and polarized?

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The reason is the GREEDY animal nature of people thru LACK of religion , Poison of Pornography , lack of satisfying healthy spiritual life.

Such people then are like HUNGRY DOGS going for glitter . These people go for what media presents as successful , rich , famous and women . Its drowning to the lowest level of "BASIC INSTINCTS" of the Animal.

I urge jews to go and visit NKUSA.org and also to listen to the BRILLIANT video on youtube of Rabbi DOMB on "THE TRANSFORMATION". For muslims, an excellent site is harunyahya.com to understand the operation of psychological weapons of MASONIC, ZIONIST cults in destroying the soul of humanity.

The popular culture in the world has been impoverished of spirituality and become rotten. The souls are empty and GOP people fill in with lies and deception ...........

Posted by: visit_iamthewitnessdotcom | January 8, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Napolitano dismantled and short circuited the existing system she inherited which DID assign accountability.

Posted by: ProCounsel
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A serious charge. I haven't seen the reporting behind it. What's your source?

Posted by: j2hess | January 8, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

And to think he wanted to be President of the United States. Guess he forgot his abuse of his first wife too. Too many talking heads are on TV who need not be, speaking lies, please keep these nuts in check with follow up like this.

Posted by: snitchonmurder | January 8, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Remember, George Stephanopoulos works for Disney, owner of ABC. To him, fantasy is reality. It's a small world after all.

Posted by: curtb | January 8, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The Big Lie is a GOP specialty.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | January 8, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Rudi's not clever, just dumb--in his latter years. He used to be known-25 years ago--as a sharp prosecutor. Among today's stupidities, he thinks the rules for interrogation change from one jurisdiction to another. That's only if you believe in--and he clearly favors--torture. I can see his brain now-shrunken to about one-half its previous size.

Posted by: axolotl | January 8, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

When Giuliani walked the streets of NYC in the aftermath of 9/11 with the dust still in the air, he seemed mighty heroic. But everytime since then, when that imbecile opens his mouth, his stupidity and addiction to one-sided right-wing conservative dogma becomes clearer.
the man is a tool. the more people get to hear him speak, the lower his popularity shall go. he needs to go find some new disaster wreckage for another photo op before his Q points fall off the map.

Posted by: MarilynManson | January 8, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

This is the same man who has made hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions, lecturing on leadership. Wonder why Americans are so cynical and polarized?

Posted by: JohnnyU2Berry | January 8, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I love it. The GOP Comedy Hour just keeps rolling along. The latest hilariously, patently hypocritical attempt to politically exploit this failed attack on America is the meme "NO ONE HAS BEEN FIRED YET!!!".

Only one problem with that. After the worst attack (real attack, not just some guy rubbing the front of his trousers), in which three thousand Americans were killed, NO ONE GOT FIRED! Not one person in the administration of George Walker Bush lost their job over the worst security failure ever on American soil.

Absolutely NOTHING - no galling shame, no egregious hypocrisy, no laughably pitiful contradiction - is beneath this desperate, banished political party. Simply, utterly amazing.

Posted by: B2O2 | January 8, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party and folks like Giuliani do a great DISSERVICE to America and those families whose loved ones were killed on 9/11, when they incessantly DENY the fact that the country was not attacked by terrorist under George Bush.

To Deny those Facts, is like President Ahmadinejad of Iran continuing to DENY the fact that the slaughter and murder of millions of Jewish people by Germany's Hitler never occurred.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | January 8, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I used to like Rudy from a national perspective but, boy, did he push me away with that almost stupid presidential campaign.

Amazing how the prez campaign separates the men from the boys and we know now where Rudy falls.

I look at this moment as just what happens when you spend your life looking for something to say bad about someone. He's entitled to his opinion, as is everyone on Fox, but when that is all you do you're gonna go over the top eventually .. I mean, how many ways can you twist a fact to make a story.

Rudy's better than all of this and the Fox folks in my opinion. Hope he comes back down to earth soon. I mean his days as NY prosecutor .. kick butt I'll tell ya.

Posted by: tslats | January 8, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

thegriffer wrote:
I don't know why I keep reading this BS paper. Has anyone fact checked Obabma..EVER?
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I suggest you check out Politifact.com

Not only have they fact checked Obama, they've fact checked Palin, Limbaugh, Beck and more. They don't have a political axe to grind against any party. They call ALL politicians out on their lies - and give credit where credit is due. Obama doesn't come out smelling like roses, but he's about equal to Limbaugh. Check out the two for comparisons.

Posted by: ColleenHarper | January 8, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The way I look at it Rudy needs to keep his mouth shut because he always seemingly suffers amnesia when it comes to Bush's policies and the statement about there was no terror attack under Bush is nothing more than BS!

Posted by: beeker25 | January 8, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Is he suffering from dementia? I'm perfectly serious. How could he possibly not "remember" that 9/11 was under Bush???!!!!

Posted by: seaduck2001 | January 8, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Stephanopoulous who hosts a weekly political program where all they do is talk about terror attacks, security and politics did not question Giuliani's rewriting of history is yet another example of why the 'main stream media' is not liberal. It's controlled by conservatives and corporations who attack any journalist that attempts to bring in a balanced point of view.

Stephanopoulos has lost all credibility as a journalist and has given in to bogus criticism that he is more left leaning. This was just blatant revisionist history by Giuliani, and the GOP has been doing it since Obama took office. Unfortunately it's working. They are taking advantage of America's fear, short memory and attention span. I look on comment pages and people actually think Obama has gotten rid of all of Bush's policies that supposedly kept us 'safe'. And because he doesn't say 'Terror' or '9/11'every other word means we are less 'safe'. When the truth is Obama only stopped tortures, secret prisons and Closing GITMO. All of which have been recommended by the military and the intelligence community. In other areas he has stepped up security efforts and expanded the Afghan war more than the troop surge to Iraq. I don't know how the Repubs mislead America with a straight face, practice I guess.

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NO !!! But FBI Bustards can set it right. One COMPREHENSIVE interview by MUELLER in BRUSSELS will set everything right. He can give it under OATH. It has EVERLASTING testimonial value.

From there on, that interview will become basis in RUSSIA TV, Venezuela TV, India TV, and all other TV channels.

It will be THE END OF DECEPTION !!!

Posted by: visit_iamthewitnessdotcom | January 8, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

This, from the infamous 9/ll Giuliani who could not say it enough when running for President. He did not forget it,it is intentional to slander Obama.
Worse! George must have forgotten it too, must be early onset alzheimer's. Time for ABC to take a second look.
The Republicans have no interest in truth or facts.

Posted by: Billy1932 | January 8, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Stephanopoulous who hosts a weekly political program where all they do is talk about terror attacks, security and politics did not question Giuliani's rewriting of history is yet another example of why the 'main stream media' is not liberal. It's controlled by conservatives and corporations who attack any journalist that attempts to bring in a balanced point of view.

Stephanopoulos has lost all credibility as a journalist and has given in to bogus criticism that he is more left leaning. This was just blatant revisionist history by Giuliani, and the GOP has been doing it since Obama took office. Unfortunately it's working. They are taking advantage of America's fear, short memory and attention span. I look on comment pages and people actually think Obama has gotten rid of all of Bush's policies that supposedly kept us 'safe'. And because he doesn't say 'Terror' or '9/11'every other word means we are less 'safe'. When the truth is Obama only stopped tortures, secret prisons and Closing GITMO. All of which have been recommended by the military and the intelligence community. In other areas he has stepped up security efforts and expanded the Afghan war more than the troop surge to Iraq. I don't know how the Repubs mislead America with a straight face, practice I guess.

Posted by: sherminta | January 8, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"The only way to 'blame' them on a President is if they were a result of his policies, or if they were successful because of his policies.
Posted by: Hillman1 | January 8, 2010 1:34 PM |"
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Or if he gets multiple explicit warnings across his desk and in meetings and decides to ignore them.

Posted by: JRM2 | January 8, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I have 4 VERY POINTED questions for these FBI BUSTARDS about 911 ::

1) Where is the ANTHRAX MAILER and why is it covering up Philip ZACK ?
2) Where are the PENTAGON VIDEOS ?
3) Where are the FOUR Black Boxes that GOVERNOR JESSE VENTURA has investigated ?
4) Why are the ODIOUS FBI BUSTARDS IGNORING Dr Steven Jones' FORENSIC research. These FBI poodles ALL got their EDUCATION at the FEET of professors like STEVEN JONES. He is one rare honest professor who needs a NOBEL PRIZE !!!

5) Why is not there an FBI 911 REPORT ????? We dont need a NIST report. We need an FBI REPORT in the public. we know all their methods of info gathering. NONE is a secret. Here I enumerate :

1) covert listening using cell phones automatically turn on.
2) planting a bug made of micromachined microphones, amplifiers and transmitters as well as a memory for delayed transmission to the next router. planting espionage thru cables. near pylons on home. on the top of the houses. tapping phones constantly. recording internet communication. Errant RFI powered microchips for spying. Using provacateurs. Planting false evidence. Killing dissidents. All crimes in the CIA book.

IT was NOT the JOB of Professor STEVEN JONES to investigate 911 and find residues of THERMATE !!! But having found it, the FBI Bustards have NOT taken up the investigation. The ODIOUS MUELLER has not gone to BRUSSELS and given an EARTH SHAKING
INTERVIEW how he was stopped from conducting a proper investigation. I bet if he go any country would give him asylum - and possibly a NOBEL prize.

If the police in the neighborhood does not work, does not take evidence, testimony, hides evidence from judges, there is nothing but CHAOS and RUMOR and CONSPIRACY theories.

It is well understood the SUPREME court was disabled by giving carcinogenic poison to the supreme court judge before 911.

Posted by: visit_iamthewitnessdotcom | January 8, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

CONSIDER THE SOURCE!!! This is the man who chose NOT to campain in Florida...One of the largest states in the union!!

Posted by: hmorrisjr | January 8, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Rudi has been drinking the Sara Palin Cool-Aide, like the rest of the GOP. She loves to tell her audiences that NYC is not the "real America." Guess he agrees.

Maybe Rudi thinks NYC is in Canada?

Posted by: hfmd | January 8, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Dungarees & CTullius, those were very well though out comments. The antithesis of mtmanvt. It is naive to think that either side isn't motivated by their own agenda. And things haven't changed much over the centuries. Look at this quote from Cicero in 55BC:

"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

I doesn't look like either side of the aisle is willing to work towards common sense goals such as this.

Posted by: hawkeye114 | January 8, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Before Obama was elected, the steets were paved with gold, prettly little butterflies hovered in the air everywhere, and beer was free. As soon as Obama took office, millions of hungry undead roamed the countryside in search of brains to eat, cattle spontaneously burst into flames, and acne markedly increased in those over 40.

Or so the GOP would have you believe.

Posted by: djjd | January 8, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Dungarees & CTullius, those were very well though out comments. The antithesis of mtmanvt. It is naive to think that either side isn't motivated by their own agenda. And things haven't changed much over the centuries. Look at this quote from Cicero in 55BC:

"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

I doesn't look like either side of the aisle is willing to work towards common sense goals such as this.

Posted by: hawkeye114 | January 8, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Rudy is starting to sound more and more like Joe Biden everyday.

Posted by: ahashburn | January 8, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Looks like somebody was missing the spotlight.

Posted by: HardipSingh | January 8, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Rudi is driniking the Sara Palin Cool-Aide, like most of the GOP. She continually tells her audiences that NYC is not the "real America." Now Rudi believes it, too.

Guess he was mayor of some town in Canada!

Posted by: hfmd | January 8, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Wait a second -- I thought it was pretty well accepted that Bush was behind 9/11? That's what I understood Michael Moore to be saying (implicitly) in Fahrenheit 911...

Posted by: kristopher1 | January 8, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

What is worse? Rudy making his claims or Stephanopolous not questioning them?

Posted by: FactChecker1 | January 8, 2010 1:33 PM

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I'll take "B". I don't think it's really a shock that Rudy is a liar and a hypocrite, but it's unconscionable for a supposed "serious" journalist to give him a pass on such an obvious lie.

Liberal media bias my a$$.

Posted by: js_edit | January 8, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Allow a digression...it is obvious that someone was asleep at the switch yet again. All good and well that the Pres takes the responsibility but the many recent "lapses" in security point to a systemic problem. At least that's the way it seems to me. SOP's are NECESSARY and failure to follow should be met with Sanctions. To do otherwise smacks of anarchy

Posted by: kwasheba | January 8, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Typical Republican bullcr@p. It's been demonstrated so many time that you have to believe that they're all liars.

Posted by: Lefty_ | January 8, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Noun, Verb and 9/11 needs a new pair of high-heels. They always seem to bring out the true Rudy...

This clown needs to be called out - in public - to shame him into the world of reality. WHY didn't someone on ABC call BS while the interview was being conducted??? This on ABC as well.

Both come out of this looking an AWFUL lot like rank amateurs... Which they are.. Rudy's just a clown..

Posted by: rbaldwin2 | January 8, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

A completely shameless BS-ing GOP stooge.

Are you Republicans proud of the willful ignorance that's become the hallmark of your party leader's attacks on the President?

Seriously - how much longer do we have to suffer through the selective amnesia that's afflicting every Obama-hating fool that has access to a microphone?

Posted by: st50taw | January 8, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

BUSH and CHENEY were the HARDEST working RECRUITERS of TERRORISTS worldwide. They employed CIA (CRIMINAL International AGENCY), BLACKWATER of the ODIOUS Erik Prince, and the FBI Bustards to cover-up their tracks and disable ALL RATIONAL Crime Investigation. One must SPIT on the FACE OF FBI BUSTARDS !!! Why ? Because the MOST OBVIOUS crime scene FORENSIC EVIDENCE was IGNORED (but really hidden by the FBI.). The solution lies in ATTACKING the FBI BUSTARDS with our ARGUMENTS !!! These Bustards get LION SHARE of TAX PAYER MONEY. The FAT PER DIEM these Bustards get is beyond the imagination of ordinary people. Most FBI BUSTARDS who work are HEALTHY, Shining face bustards, who NOURISHED at OUR MONEY !!!!! That is why they DESERVE a SLAP. THEY CHEATED us at our money. I have 4 questions for these BUSTARDS about 911 ::

1) Where is the ANTHRAX MAILER and why is it covering up Philip ZACK ?
2) Where are the PENTAGON VIDEOS ?
3) Where are the FOUR Black Boxes that GOVERNOR JESSE VENTURA has investigated ?
4) Why are the ODIOUS FBI BUSTARDS IGNORING Dr Steven Jones' FORENSIC research. These FBI poodles ALL got their EDUCATION at the FEET of professors like STEVEN JONES. He is one rare honest professor who needs a NOBEL PRIZE !!!

5) Why is not there an FBI 911 REPORT ????? We dont need a NIST report. We need an FBI REPORT in the public. we know all their methods of info gathering. NONE is a secret. Here I enumerate :

1) covert listening using cell phones automatically turn on.
2) planting a bug made of micromachined microphones, amplifiers and transmitters as well as a memory for delayed transmission to the next router. planting espionage thru cables. near pylons on home. on the top of the houses. tapping phones constantly. recording internet communication. Errant RFI powered microchips for spying. Using provacateurs. Planting false evidence. Killing dissidents. All crimes in the CIA book.

Posted by: visit_iamthewitnessdotcom | January 8, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Morning "news" television is just like going to a kiddy puppet show. Anybody that's actually watching only wants to hear what the most flamboyant character has to say. Everybody else is just prop.

Posted by: crikey | January 8, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Morning "news" television is just like going to a kiddy puppet show. Anybody that's actually watching only wants to hear what the most flamboyant character has to say. Everybody else is just prop.

Posted by: crikey | January 8, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Rudy was too afraid of Gillibrand so he's opting to run in 2012 for President instead, but now he has to out-Cheney Cheney on the rhetoric.

Posted by: blasmaic | January 8, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

9/11 happened right under Bush's nose. Guiliani is an idiot for trying to make Bush out to be some kind of protector. Bush was briefed on Katrina and then knowingly let the citizens of the 9th ward drown. The level of partisan BS in the media is destroying our democracy.

Posted by: mjoy | January 8, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Am I wrong in thinking I remember the Bush Administration frequently saying how they stopped attacks at various points of planning/implementation? And I would assume that if they announced their "successes" that there would be other successes that weren't disclosed for security reasons.

Just because something didn't happen in a given time frame doesn't mean that there wasn't the possibility of such things happening. There are laws against counterfeiting, rape, and car jacking, and laws involving weapons/guns; that doesn't mean that people don't plan or do those things. By saying "we were safe when we were in charge..." is saying that all the professionals are biased; should we assume that many of the professionals that work in security "don't like" the administration so they let things happen in order that the previous administration looks good and that there'll be a new administration because of "this administration's failures?

The reality is that things happen; there's been planning and activities during every administration, some successful, some less than successful, some stopped before they could gain any success, and some were simply discussion that didn't generate any activity.

Better that Mr. Giulani and others acknowledge the good work being done by other people, even if they're of a different political group, just as those people should acknowledge and appreciate what their predecessors did under the circumstances at the time.

Life and security are not final scripted products; what's happening now is all in draft and even with the best security in place there can be problems. After all, despite all that's been done, we still have counterfeiting, rape, and car jacking, and people being killed by weapons and guns despite the best of intentions of this and previous administrations.

Posted by: Dungarees | January 8, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Rudy the liar, Rudy the revisionist, Rudy the psychopath.

Rudy the stooge. His own party can't stand him but they will use him when it's to their advantage.

Rudy the lonely, the desperate, the craven, who, like Cheney, will do anything to try to be relevant.

The GOP will stoop to anything to position their lies as truth. They have mastered Doublespeak and use it often. Unfortunately most people are not critical thinkers, they have been hypnotized and dumbed down, so they don't question.

Even though there are more psychopaths coming up behind them, one can only look forward to the days when we hear of the demise of people like Giuliana, Cheney, Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld etc. The world will be better off when that whole crowd has expired.

Posted by: mtnmanvt | January 8, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I bet you people think Obamas poop smells great too and most of the readers of this paper would probably die for the chance to wipe his a--. At the same time this paper isn't worthy of wiping mine.

Posted by: thegriffer | January 8, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse
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Whoa whats with your fecal obsession? If you don't like it here, then go to your whack job Fox News website.

Posted by: hayden1 | January 8, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Generally speaking, though, the current president's handling of national security inspires about as much confidence as Bush's response to Katrina. Each may have cared about the situation, but they didn't care enough, and it is clear that the people under them were not competent enough. And, deterring terrorism by seeking refuge in the rule of law (for non-citizen, un-uniformed enemy combatants whom you wouldn't hesitate to kill from a drone in Pakistan) will be about as effective as preventing the damage of hurricanes by rebuilding Ward 9 in the same flood plain. Fix the damned levies, and stop assuming that we are being punished for some sort of terrible sin instead of for being the current poster children of the relative success of the West in the 16th-21st centuries!

Posted by: CTullius | January 8, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Stephanopolis failed to do his job. Although he & Gregory are opposites of each other in style, neither can fill Tim's shoes for thinking on their feet. I no longer watch either of them.

Guilliani's revision of reality is a mere dot in that negative landscape that does nothing to shed a light on anything relevant.

Television has gone off the rails in many ways, fast becoming irrelevant as an information resource. Why? Because their execs & producers are addicted to conflict & negativity in ALL their programming. This focus alone has brainwashed our citizens & is damaging to our nation, at home & abroad. That won't change without a major shift in their paradym.

Posted by: momshugs | January 8, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Guiliani needs to get a life and shut the hell up!! Only a true moron would make that statement and not even have the presence of mind to think to himself "did I just say that out loud"!! LMAO....what a world

Posted by: getaclue3 | January 8, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

All of you liberals are so stupid. The 9/11 attacks happened under the liberal Democratic Josiah Bartlett administration, not in the George W. Bush administration. Its true. I saw it with my own eyes, every Wednesday at 8:00 p.m. with commercial breaks. Stupid liberals! Get a clue!

Posted by: hayden1 | January 8, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Be fair people. I think it's asking an awful lot to expect Rudy Giuliani, of all people, to know that New York City is considered "domestic."

Posted by: Jumpy66 | January 8, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Giuliani's comments aren't just idiotic, they're sickening. Not only did he forget his repetitious claim of being Mr. 9/11, he neglected to recognize that Bush wasn't grown up enough to accept responsibility for the gross intelligence failures that allowed 9/11 to occur. Bush was expressly warned that Bin Laden was determined to attack the U.S. and that hijacking of planes would be involved, that the FBI had been notified of suspicious people seeking flight training without learning how to land, and so much more. Instead, Bush fought to keep everything classified and to prevent formation of the 9/11 commission, which ultimately exposed Bush's lethargic response to reports of imminent threats and the nearly non-existent communications between the different intelligence agencies.

It would be so nice if these Republican critics who hope Obama fails at whatever cost to the country would stop being such traitors and start focusing on constructive ideas that will actually help the country.

Posted by: emm2 | January 8, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why I keep reading this BS paper. Has anyone fact checked Obabma..EVER? Most of what the president says is crap and no one calls him on it. I have not seen ONE article in this paper criticizing the big O, while during the Bush years there were negative articles DAILY. I bet you people think Obamas poop smells great too and most of the readers of this paper would probably die for the chance to wipe his a--. At the same time this paper isn't worthy of wiping mine.

Posted by: thegriffer | January 8, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

GOP = Group of Pedophiles

GOP = Group of Pedophiles

GOP = Group of Pedophiles

GOP = Group of Pedophiles

GOP = Group of Pedophiles

Posted by: j1238 | January 8, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

And did Stephanopoulos challenge Guiliani? Of course not, GMA is for entertainment. Why hold a guest accountable for lying? George fails the ABC audience again.

Posted by: lostinthemiddle | January 8, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

If Rudy is not running for any office, why is he around so much?

Posted by: Jason4se | January 8, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"Napolitano dismantled and short circuited the existing system she inherited which DID assign accountability."


OK, when and how did "Napolitano dismantl and short circuit the existing system"?

Posted by: knjincvc | January 8, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

He sorely needs a treatment like Berlusconni .

He sorely needs a treatment like Berlusconni .

He sorely needs a treatment like Berlusconni .

Posted by: j1238 | January 8, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"It is true that for over 7 years after the shoe-boomer, which came close on the heels of 9/11, no attack on US Airplanes came this close. Obama's been in office for less than 1 year and we're already seeing a lessening of our security."

Nonsense.

Sooner or later terrorist attacks are going to happen.

The only way to 'blame' them on a President is if they were a result of his policies, or if they were successful because of his policies.

The apparatus and rules in place for overseas security were put in place five years ago, by a Republican president.

Those are the rules that were followed in handling the panty bomber.

But the panty bomber was recruited and radicalized, importantly, AFTER Bush angered the entire Muslim world by invading Iraq. True, he may have gone terrorist anyway, but he and his ilk cite the Iraq invasion as a primary reason for their actions.

Let's just say it certainly didn't help.

Bush's actions as President (and his decision not to capture Bin Laden at Tora Bora) are very real reasons for the number of radicals out there today.

Posted by: Hillman1 | January 8, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The photo for all to see.....the look of a man on American television caught telling a lie.

Posted by: epespinoza43 | January 8, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

What is worse? Rudy making his claims or Stephanopolous not questioning them?

Posted by: FactChecker1 | January 8, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Guiliani has turned into a political hack. I'm not even sure why he is allowed on these talk shows anyways.

Posted by: jjj141 | January 8, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

What I think is really important, and what is to often overlooked by MSM...who was doing the interview and why didnt they stop right there and CHALLENGE the lies...the media keeps letting these right wing twits get away w/saying anything they want and never challenging them...to wit...Mary Matalin declaring that Bush "inherited" 9/11...from WHOM??? The complicity of the media in allowing these kinds of statements to go unchallenged is dishonest at best.

Posted by: wydafish | January 8, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Rudy is a liar and will say anything on TV and it's disgraceful "America's Mayor" give me a break but what's worse is that George was masquarading as a journalist.

Posted by: rlj1 | January 8, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

This COMMENT of RUDE Giuliani - an ITALIAN MAFIOSI - indicates his MALICIOUS NATURE or his CRIMINAL INCOMPETENCE.

EVERY appointment, job, contract of his should be SCRUTINIZED for the basis of AWARD !!!

I bet its RACE, RACISTS, CRIMINALS are giving him money and SUBSIDIZING his lifestyle.

This is TRULY PATHETIC that MEXICANS, ASIANS have to grind and labor while the WHITE CRIMINALS and INCOMPETENTOS like RUDE GIULIANI get PRIVILEGES based on RACE , ability to LIE, DECEIVE and SKIN COLOR.

Is there a law to bring such people to book ? He is worse than MADOFF and ROMAN POLANSKY. He has had numerous affairs like NEWT GINGRICH !!!

Posted by: visit_iamthewitnessdotcom | January 8, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Rudy Giuliani's and ability and knowledge to keep America safe can be summed up in two words: Bernie Kerik.

It was Giuliani who convinced Bush to nominate Giuliani's good buddy and business partner Kerik for head of Homeland Security.

Kerik, of course, was not only totally unqualified. He was also a crook.

"A grand jury of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York issued a 16-count indictment against Kerik on November 8, 2007, alleging conspiracy, mail fraud, wire fraud and lying to the Internal Revenue Service. Kerik surrendered to authorities the next day and pled not guilty to all charges. On October 20, 2009, his bail was revoked and he was jailed pending trial. On November 5, he pleaded guilty to 8 charges in a plea bargain with prosecutors which recommended a jail sentence of 27 to 33 months."

Like Giuliani, Kerik has been married three times. Giuliani is godfather to two of his children.

Posted by: WhatHeSaid | January 8, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is a farce.

Posted by: jckdoors | January 8, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

KJR1, would you please tell me when in the last century-and-a-half the GOP has had any "street cred"?? Street cred?????!!! (Perhaps I've missed your sarcasm?)

Posted by: jleatherhead | January 8, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Rudy is rude to say the least. Just yesterday our President said that this is not the time for politics and that it was time for citizenship. Rudy and a number of other Republicans just don't get it. We Americans are fed up with lying, half truths, made up stuff, and other things that have no relation to reality.
I don't know what Rudy has been smoking or what planet he how comes from but his message along with the lies of our former VP and others belong in the trash heap of history.

Posted by: AZdave | January 8, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Republicans through all the blustering have a proven weakness on national security issues for example letting our guard down on 9/11 and letting Bin Laden go free in Tora Bora etc. Giuliani also has a proven record of memory relapse regarding issues such as the ten commandments and which ones are convenient for him to follow.

Posted by: GarrisonLiberty | January 8, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

One thing IS true. There were no attacks when Bernie Kerik was Homeland Security Chief.

Posted by: steveboyington | January 8, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

The transformed Grand Just Say No Party has now also successfully added the label the Grand Lying Party. What a feat to accomplish in just the first year of the first term of one's opponent! Way to go die-hard degenerate Repubs!

Posted by: erickaba | January 8, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

This was a totally dishonest presentation masquerading has honest news discourse. George Stephanolous and Guiliani may as well been dancing with George facing backwards. I saw the clip and Mr. George was doing more posing for GQ pretending to be a journalist, while allowing Guilian to repeatedly spout untruths. Guiliani and Stephanoulous must have been out together the night before...Where is ABC News in this mix of so called journalistic ethics and honesty? The news is more and more relective of a "Goebbels" dictated FOX news...I am beginning to hear sounds of Jack Boots hitting in unison.

Posted by: october30 | January 8, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

We did have domestic attacks under Bush and they were covered-up by (then) Government officials. We have the proof.

Posted by: Shanan1 | January 8, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I was always amazed that the former mayor and Bush were made national heroes by the 9/11 attacks. They deserved to be fired instead.

Posted by: ExpressReader | January 8, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

The GOP has never let the facts get in their way and they are not going to start now.

Posted by: gandalong3 | January 8, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

It is true that for over 7 years after the shoe-boomer, which came close on the heels of 9/11, no attack on US Airplanes came this close. Obama's been in office for less than 1 year and we're already seeing a lessening of our security.

Any, one critical note that is missed in this article - we should try terrorists AFTER we interrogate them to learn as much as we possibly can from them. There is no value in putting them in civilian court before we learn what we can from them. In civilian court, we don't have the same opportunities to interrogate terrorists which only hurts us in pursuing others.

Obama does "feel good", his leadership style and personality does better reflect American values - and I like having a President that projects intelligence.

But, he has to do things - even if unpopular - that keeps us safe.


Posted by: agupta1 | January 8, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Is there something in the GOP water...Michelle Malkin said the EXACT same thing a few weeks ago on Fox news, and Hannity of course wouldn't correct her, but Stephanopolis? Thats the kind of easy "gotch" every reporter loves to get, and in this case was completely ridiculous.

Posted by: Nosh1 | January 8, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Guliani is nothing but a piece of garbage. If he is in front of me i would open my zipper and urinate on his face. He got crdits on 9/11 for putting Yankees cap and going to the games. IDIOT F*****

Posted by: simonbm | January 8, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

George Costanza: Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it.

Posted by: steveboyington | January 8, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

How easiliy Gop'ers will sell their street-cred for a soundbite and a headline. Pathetic!!

Posted by: KJR1 | January 8, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Napolitano’s Failure

The primary systemic failure was the failure to assign specific responsibility to follow up on the known strategic and tactical terrorist threat.

Basically everyone’s job is nobody’s job.

To our pleasant surprise the President acknowledged this under “Breakdown of Accountability” in the report, and we can therefore discuss this PUBLICLY.

This was Napolitano’s responsibilty as Secretary of Homeland Security.

It would be bad enough if she just dropped the ball.

But Napolitano did worse.

Far worse.

Napolitano dismantled and short circuited the existing system she inherited which DID assign accountability.

Napolitano is systemically, inherently incompetent. This is neglect of the magnitude that can not be overlooked.

It is difficult as President to relieve incompetent persons, but a solemn responsibility.

American lives depend upon it.

Posted by: ProCounsel | January 8, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

To me, a bigger question about this interview is not if Guiliani's statements are facts or lies. That is pretty clear. The question is why in the world did the interviewer here- Stephanopolis- fail miserably at doing his job and NOT question Guiliani's glaringly obvious lie. George Stephanopolis should have been fired as a journalist a LONG time ago. He is not alone in letting the right-wing talking heads come out in the media and blather utter false propaganda unquestioned, sadly enough. It is why the right-wing politicos continue to do it. They are completely enabled in their deception by the inept media "journalists" time and time again.

Why does anyone bother watching television news anymore?

Posted by: VAreader | January 8, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

The Bush presidency did begin on 9/12/2001. Before that he was a non-entity.

Posted by: Bill64738 | January 8, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Was he paid for the appearance? Probably not. However, my guess is that his truly stupid misstatements may urge a few groups to pay him to say the same stuff in front of them.... allowing them to applaud and line his pockets. He has become a truly tragic figure.

Posted by: steveboyington | January 8, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

What a piece of garbage. Even if he said "Since 9/11..." he'd still be wrong.

Say good night, Rudy. You POS.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | January 8, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I think the only appropriate response to this is:

omgwtflol.

Posted by: dkp01 | January 8, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh, if you're going to get picky about it......

Posted by: gmcduluth | January 8, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Umm... the former mayor forgot... 9/11.

Posted by: emtle1103 | January 8, 2010 12:56 PM

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Amazing, isn't it? Especially since his entire presidential campaign revolved around 9/11.

Dementia, maybe?

Posted by: js_edit | January 8, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

You mean Rudy's full of s***? Say it ain't so!

Posted by: js_edit | January 8, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Umm... the former mayor forgot... 9/11.

Posted by: emtle1103 | January 8, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

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