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At D.C. church, Obama invokes King and calls for keeping faith

Updated 5:40 p.m.
By Hamil R. Harris
President Obama worshiped Sunday at a historic African American congregation in Northwest Washington and spoke from a pulpit where the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. preached on several occasions.

On February 7, 1968, King visited Vermont Avenue Baptist Church to deliver a sermon that was part of a series titled: "In search of a sense of direction." But Obama referenced a lesser-known King address, from Dec. 6, 1956 -- when the country finally began to deal with the issue of segregation and King asked the question, "Where do we go from here?"

"In his sermon, all of those years ago, Dr. King quoted a poet, 'Truth forever on the scaffold/ Wrong forever on the throne/ And behind the dim unknown stands God/ Within the shadows keeping watch of his own,' " Obama said. "Even as Dr. King stood in this church, a victory in the past and uncertainty in the future, he trusted God. He trusted that God would make a way, a way for prayers to be answered, a way for our union to be perfected."

Obama said people today can do their part to work toward that perfect union by getting "back to basics," and he said that, through faith, people can find the resolve to get better.

"Folks ask me sometimes why I look so calm. ... I have a confession to make here. There are times where I'm not so calm. ... There are times when the words that are spoken about me hurt. There are times when the barbs sting. There are times when it feels like all these efforts are for naught, and change is so painfully slow in coming, and I have to confront my own doubts," Obama said.

"But let me tell you -- during those times it's faith that keeps me calm. It's faith that gives me peace," the president said.

Obama harkened to the era of King's speech, coming just weeks after the Supreme Court had ordered the desegregation of Montgomery's buses -- a decision that would put an end to the 381-day bus boycott in Montgomery, Ala., that King had helped organize.

"Here we are, more than half a century later, once again facing the challenges of a new age. Here we are, once more marching toward an unknown future," Obama said.

"Unemployment is at its highest level in more than a quarter of a century. Nowhere is it higher than the African American community. Poverty is on the rise. Home ownership is slipping. Beyond our shores, our sons and daughters are fighting two wars. Closer to home, our Haitian brothers and sisters are in desperate need. Bruised, battered, many people are legitimately feeling doubt, even despair, about the future. Like those who came to this church on that Thursday in 1956, folks are wondering, where do we go from here?" the president asked.

"Yes, we're passing through a hard winter. It's the hardest in some time," Obama said. "But let's always remember that, as a people, the American people, we've weathered some hard winters before. This country was founded during some harsh winters."

Obama concluded by saying, "Let us hold fast to that faith, as Joshua held fast to the faith of his fathers, and together, we shall overcome the challenges of a new age. Together, we shall seize the promise of this moment. Together, we shall make a way through winter, and we're going to welcome the spring. Through God all things are possible."

The president arrived about 10:45 a.m. at the Vermont Avenue Baptist Church, a 144-year-old congregation in the Logan Circle area. He was accompanied by his wife, Michelle, and their daughters, Malia and Sasha; as well as senior adviser Valerie Jarrett and Joshua Dubois, director of faith-based and community initiatives.

Worshipers packed the family life center of the church, where the worship service was held because the sanctuary is being renovated. Several hundred congregants braved a cold rain to be screened by Secret Service agents before they could get in. Obama apologized to the congregation what he called "a little fuss to have me as a guest speaker."

"This is a very special day," said Prince George's County Council member Sam Dean, chairman of the church's trustee board. "It is a momentous occasion that the president chose to come here."

Before Sunday, Obama had been to a District church only once since he took the oath of office. The pastor of Vermont Avenue Baptist, the Rev. Cornelius Wheeler, told his church that he wanted to make sure that the Obamas had an authentic, "Vermont Avenue," experience that include sitting through the passing of the collection plate, listening to announcements and rocking to foot-stomping and hand-waving gospel hymns sung by the choir.

King, Wheeler said in an interview, "stood for the cause of Christ and righteousness and justice in spite of a political backlash." He recalled that King came to the church only months before his death and during a time when he was unpopular in many political circles because of his stand on the Vietnam War.

"He pushed for what was right for our nation, and that ought to be a guide for us right now -- in the shadow of the health care debate, the disaster in Haiti and what else is going on in the world," Wheeler said.

Obama said little in his sermon about the crisis in Haiti, but the Rev. William Quick, the church's associate pastor, prayed for the people of the Caribbean nation.

"We come here, regardless of what happened, to bear witness that you are still God," Quick prayed. "Bless our speaker as he brings a word of hope for our people. Under President Obama, let us remain one nation under God."

Audrey Johnson, 81, has been a member of the church for more than three decades. As she sat in the pews, she said: "This is something that I never thought I would see in my lifetime."

The full text of Obama's address is here.


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By Hamil R. Harris  |  January 17, 2010; 8:29 AM ET
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Comments

WomanWhoHasEnduredAndLearned wrote:
"flipper49 - I was working yesterday and so didn't want to get into the details of the debate. You asked me to name anything Obama had done. Averting financial collapse, going into a war that makes sense, and at least trying to save lives by getting the ball moving on Health Care reform is a good first year in my book. This is not a dictatorship. We all know that no President can do everything they want or promised."

My friend, there's a HUGE difference between not getting everything done and getting nothing done. Obama sent less than half the troops he needed to obtain a victory in the war.
He did NOT avert financial collapse unless you think his letting irresponsible CEOs of mismanaged companies get "bonuses" out of our pockets. Obama has claimed he would have those bonuses returned, but...yep, right again...he'd done nothing to make it happen.
Obviously, you haven't read that healthcare "reform" bill!! It's about government control...NOT improving the world of medicine. Please download it and read it; you just might see the light. No, this isn't dictatorship...yet. The health bill is a huge step toward it, though.

DREDSCOTT:
You wrote: "The Democrats may only think about blacks at election time, but that puts them one-up on the Republicans, who NEVER think about blacks."
I really resent that. I AM a Republican (would you have guesses it? ...heh...), and I have suffered as much as MANY blacks in pushing for equal rights and breaking down racial walls. You have NO IDEA what so many of us white Reps have done in our lifetimes, so please have the decency not to spout out accusations like this one unless you can back it. Even a little peon like I know HUNDREDS of Republicans who cry at what's been done in the name of racism...on both "sides of the fence."

We DID manage to get Americans their rights, but now we're giving those rights away to illegal aliens. Think about that. Tey are not only receiving rights WE fought for for our own people ...blacks, whites, et al......but we're GIVING them our rights. That's rtight, they are taking them AWAY from us...and America is LETTING them. The healthcare bill is another step toward providing them with OUR money. READ the bill, please! If you're defending and/or supporting it, you are either:
1) Ignorant of what's in the bill ...or...
2) You don't CARE if America goes to pot.

I will not sit by calmly while illegal aliens walk away with our rights. I FOUGHT TOO LONG to get them secured for blacks, and now I'm not about to let these leeches take ANY of our rights without a fight.

Also, your fine Democrat congressmen have stipulated in the bill they they will be exempt from most of the bill. Curious, eh? They'd impose limitations upon our coverage and rights, yet they can still do whatever they want? If the bill were on the up-and-up, they wouldn't have slipped this in!

Posted by: flipper49 | January 20, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

flipper49 - I was working yesterday and so didn't want to get into the details of the debate. You asked me to name anything Obama had done. Averting financial collapse, going into a war that makes sense, and at least trying to save lives by getting the ball moving on Health Care reform is a good first year in my book. This is not a dictatorship. We all know that no President can do everything they want or promised.

Posted by: WomanWhoHasEnduredAndLearned | January 18, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse


"Hey, I didn't know my Rev. and Inspirational Mentor for over 20 yrs was spewing Racist Hate America Bilge while I attended his church and endorsed his Negro Liberation Philosophy. Honestly, I had no idea."

Posted by: jas7751 | January 17, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats may only think about blacks at election time, but that puts them one-up on the Republicans, who NEVER think about blacks.

So a better question might be, why can white republicans win senatorial, congressional, and gubernatorial elections and Black Republicnas can't?

A follow-up question might be:
Do White Republicans only vote for white Republicans - and not black Republicans

How do white Republicans get elected, but Black Republicans get the shaft from white Republican Voters?

At least white Democrat voters "vote" for their black candidates!

Well, some ideal folks to ask would be Big Mike Steele, Lynn Swann, Or Ken Blackwell.

Or perhaps one of our esteemed Republican posters here can clue us in as to why there are virtually - no - literally - no Black Republican Senators or Congressmen.

Why don't you folks just write "we don't want any blacks in our party" on your foreheads? It would be less obvious! LOL

I mean, if you Republicans say you "see no color," then what's up, Doc?

LOL

Posted by: dredscott1 | January 17, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

obama speaks from a church pulpit????

obama mocked the Bible books of Deuteronomy and Leviticus by name in a speech still on You-tube.

and those books are in both the Old Testament or Jewish part of the Bible and the Christian Bible.

yet obama has NEVER mocked the koran.

Posted by: ProCounsel | January 17, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Did Obama use his "negro" dialect today? Once again the democRATS only care about blacks when it's voting time!

Posted by: cschotta1 | January 17, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

It absolutely amazes me what some people don't know!

Some white people continue to rant about "hard work" and personal responsibility, when their parents and grandparents were allowed to be rewarded and treated preferentially for doing no more than other groups here. Whites were rewarded for their hard work by joining unions for carpenters, masons, plumbers, electricians, construction work, and all the other unions that black carpenters, plumbers, electricians and masons were prohibited to join. Thereby confining black skilled workers to handyman jobs whenever and wherever they could get them across this country.

And you wanna talk handouts?

35 million white (and only white) families were "given" home equity loans by the Federal Housing authority decades ago, which allowed those whites to garner "equity" the most important factor in achieving personal wealth. Blacks were not given diddlysquat when whites got those preferential low or no-interest loans.

I guess whites think they got to create and thrive in the lily-white suburbs across America via their "hard work"! LOL
What acrock of crap!

Whites didn't work any harder, and do not work any harder now, than any other peiple in this country. They simply got to do the work, and join the lily-white labor unions, and got paid fairly for their labor, and thus were allowed to profit fairly and create finacial legacies for their families.

Black and brown people got none of those preferential advantages.

So it is amazing just what whites do not know about the history (AND the present) of their own country, and the adavntages they have had. My grandparents worked as hard as anyone, had skills in masonry and carpentry, yet couldn't get a decent permanent job, because of the white unions
So you need to drop that "hard work" baloney.
You didn't work one bit harder than anyone else.

And BTW, MLK knew that, and called for Affirmative Action type programs, so don't try pushing that crap about him being "against" Affirmative Action. Both he and Lyndon Johnson said blacks had been cheated out of too much to just start "even" with whites who had all the home equity, all the savings, all the opportunity for higher education, and all the credit-worthiness from preferential treatment. Bet you didn't know that either.

And right now, there is one more little stat that whites are clueless about.

Over ninety-five percent of non-merit based college scholarships go to white kids.
That's right. So all the lies that make you "feel good" to shout, about black kids walking around on non-merit college scholarships are just that - a pack of lies.

In fact, just the all-white Appalachia and Ozark resident scholarship points from Universities in the southeastern U.S. alone amount to more than all the race-based scholarships to black kids from allthe inner cities in the country.

Check it out for yourselves.

No need to take my word for anything.
Google "Fedral Housing Authority" for starters.

Posted by: dredscott1 | January 17, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

When will black leaders - including bi-racial ones like Obama - start to talk honestly with black youth? We hear the same worn-out rhetoric every MLK Day. It's for naught. If he were alive, MLK would be ashamed of the way so many of his people behave and the incarceration rates of black men. Preaching nonsense about racism and the unfairness of the criminal justice system, etc., demonstrates the irresponsibility of current black leaders. Emphasize education, the work ethic, parental responsibility and a respect for community and personal property needs to be the persistent message. Our white politician, too, need to stop patronizing and pandering which just endorses failed beliefs and a victimization mentality. Otherwise, we’ll we saying the same things 20 years from now on MLK Day. It’s a tough message but it’s true and the only way forward.

Posted by: sero1 | January 17, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry that you feel that your success has been punished and wish you the best.

Posted by: WomanWhoHasEnduredAndLearned | January 17, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama is working hard to obtain the statis of King.The only difference is that Obama wants to be "King of The World"!

Posted by: sdavis4 | January 17, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

KING WAS A GIANT EVEN AMONG GIANTS.
boy hussein is just a very small child even when compared with other small children.

Posted by: infantry11b4faus | January 17, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama's attempt to invoke the spirit of Dr. King is laughable at best, insulting at worst.

Posted by: Greenwaver | January 17, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Now you racist redneck Republican tea-bagging retards are trying to claim Martin Luther King and suggest that he would be against President Obama. Only you delusional Republican ididots could make this stuff up !

Posted by: ellislawoffice | January 17, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Now you racist redneck Republican tea-bagging retards are trying to claim Martin Luther King and suggest that he would be against President Obama. Only you delusional Republican ididots could make this stuff up !

Posted by: ellislawoffice | January 17, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Dear "Woman who has endured",

The truth hurts. Obama is a failure, and his plummeting approval ratings are an indication that many Americans do not support his "spread the wealth" policies. We will take our country back. America is a country founded on the principle of personal accountability and hard work. Success should not be punished.

I don't post on here to "be effective" and I'm not concerned about what anyone thinks of me.

I just write what I think. Feel free to disagree - it doesn't bother me, because I have "endured" too.

Posted by: thinker16 | January 17, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm a new blogger and I'm afraid that I don't have much appreciation for playground-type comments.

Does that show me that you have the answers for better alternatives?

Posted by: WomanWhoHasEnduredAndLearned | January 17, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Martin Luther King, Jr. was a republican who had a dream. Barack Hussein Obama is a communist democrat that is a nightmare.

Posted by: charlietuna666 | January 17, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

In the spirit of MLK, I would like to thank President Obama for signing, about 2 months ago, the 34 week extension on unemployment insurance benefits to everyone on unemployment due to the present day economic collapse that began in late 2000. Under the Bush Administration.
Thank you President Obama.
Sincerely,
The Common Man of America

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | January 17, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

thinker16 -- I think you could be more effective if you didn't rely on name calling and generalizations. Very easy to write, but they detract from your credibility.

Posted by: WomanWhoHasEnduredAndLearned | January 17, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Yes, madstamina. The history as you pulled it all together was good.

Posted by: WomanWhoHasEnduredAndLearned | January 17, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"There are times when it feels like all these efforts are for naught, and change is so painfully slow in coming, and I have to confront my own doubts," Obama said.

Confront this, TOTUS, there is an American backlash against your "change". We DO NOT want your Marxist, socialist policies.

Posted by: thinker16 | January 17, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I love the historical debates in this forum it's good for all! Yes Dr. King supported the Republican Party in the early 60's. "Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan, Democrats released the vicious dogs and fire hoses on blacks and Strom Thurman (Dem-SC) read the dictionary in a philabuster attempting to stop the Civil Rights Bills. Then Kennedy as the head of the Democratic party, changed it's direction and all the racist abandoned the party and joined the Dixiecrats or the Republican party, so mid-60's to present, King's family have been registered Democrats. But whoever wrote that King was a Republican prior to 1963 is accurate. Pre-1964, the Republican party was the Party of Lincoln--strong advocate of equal rights, then they changed in the mid to late 60's and became the modern party that we know today.

Posted by: madstamina | January 17, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Does he have to talk everywhere he goes?

Have some humility.

Listen a little and become a little more introspective and you might find a way forward.

Stop talking all the time as you don't write the speeches anyway.

Posted by: donbl | January 17, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

It was a marvelous speech.

And a shout out to the First Lady.
Happy Birthday. She's a Capricorn.
Capricorns are strong people.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | January 17, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I have no doubt that he is GODS Co-Pilot.

Posted by: eaglehawkaroundsince1937

--

There is NO doubt that he is a Fraud, a Radical that does not have this Nation's best interests in mind. He resents America. There is No doubt about any of that.

Posted by: jas7751 | January 17, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

My favorite lines from Rev Obama:

"I say to you that we [the government? the democratic party? Labor unions? Nancy, Harry, Barney and I?] can't do it ALL for you. You in turn have to do something too."

What, pray tell? Keep moving along? Keep voting for more of the same?

What a lot of hooey.

Posted by: tacheronb | January 17, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"Hey, I didn't know my Rev. and Inspirational Mentor for over 20 yrs was spewing Racist Hate America Bilge while I attended his church and endorsed his Negro Liberation Philosophy. Honestly, I had no idea."


Posted by: jas7751 | January 17, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

No one is perfect, not even Reverend King. For me, it's the direction that counts. Who doesn't stumble? Who can't be better? Who doesn't grow? Yes, we should hold accountable anyone who tries to speak for and represent us, no matter what. No one gets a free pass in this life. Our criticisms do make them better. No one gets a free pass from me, not even me. But, I can't help but wonder about the level of perfection that has been achieved by those making the harshest and most destructive judgments.

Posted by: WomanWhoHasEnduredAndLearned | January 17, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

If Dr. King were alive today, he would find the content of Mr. Obama's character sadly lacking. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama, Jesse Jackson and their ilk can't hold a candle to the great man we honor tomorrow. Regardless of our color or station in life, we can be united in grieving his passing, and in the failure of his followers to more perfectly emulate him.

Posted by: SavingGrace | January 17, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

pgr88 wrote:
"Where are all the Libs complaining about 'seperation (sic) of church and state' and Obama "pandering to Christians?' "

It should be obvious by now that they can't stand the truth in politics, and even more so in regards to God's Word. Nothing new!

Posted by: flipper49 | January 17, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I listened to the Presidents talk. He was brilliant.

-Government Motors, tripling debt, growing government while ignoring the private sector, 10% unemployment, dithers on Afghanistan-some brilliance! And yes Obama is a speaker, but NEVER will he be a "leader"!

You couldn't but have pride that he is our President.

-Pride for someone that gives American rights to those responsible for 9/11?


Class ++. Hold on and have faith in him as he leads this badly damaged ship on a course back from ruin. I have no doubt that he is GODS Co-Pilot.

-He's doing everything he can to ruin this great country-are you that stupid or that blind?

Posted by: eaglehawkaroundsince1937

Posted by: cschotta1 | January 17, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

We must all remember these words when thinking of Obama and his administration.....
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude
greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us
in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down
and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon
you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
—Samuel Adams

Posted by: atthun | January 17, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I listened to the Presidents talk. He was brilliant. You couldn't but have pride that he is our President. Class ++. Hold on and have faith in him as he leads this badly damaged ship on a course back from ruin. I have no doubt that he is GODS Co-Pilot.

Posted by: eaglehawkaroundsince1937 | January 17, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I know we have a lot of reasons to be unhappy or feel hopeless. But, it's not hopeless just because we happen to be feeling that way today.

We are strong. Don't give in.

President's and political parties can help us but they can't save us if we don't do our parts -- hard work, education, family, cooperation, empathy for others, imagination, creativity, Democracy. What about all of that?

Posted by: WomanWhoHasEnduredAndLearned | January 17, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Why all the name calling? Let's grow up and think issues. Political parties change. People change. Don't hide behind labels.

What are you suggesting? What is positive that can be built upon?

I'm not seeing much meat here. And, I'm not seeing much that would come from the philosophy and ideals of King or Christianity in this debate.

And we don't have to rely on the perfect leaders to lift us up. We can lift up ourselves in the way we approach the world's problems individually. This blog is kind of depressing from that point of view.

Posted by: WomanWhoHasEnduredAndLearned | January 17, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"Martin Luther King Jr. was not a Republican."

That's simply not true - the parties were different - but he was a Republican.

It would be nice if people checked facts.

Posted by: sally62


Yep, no room for JFK in this democrat party!

"Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you"-Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: cschotta1 | January 17, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"Martin Luther King Jr. was not a Republican."

That's simply not true - the parties were different - but he was a Republican.

It would be nice if people checked facts.

Posted by: sally62 | January 17, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

For Whites, wealth in America is stratified, with the top 1% owning approximately 1/3rd of our nations wealth (Gov. Census 2008). However, a white middle class, the middle 70% or so, is able to share
another half of our nations wealth. Whites on the bottom, 30% or so, get the remaining scraps. For Blacks, you only have a top 1% who are in a similiar situation as Whites, partaking in that 1/3rd of Americas wealth with the upper 1% Whites. However, then you have 99% of Blacks, stuck on the bottom with Whites, and hardly any Blacks in the middle. Therefore, at least Whites have received some of Americas wealth, be it not much in the worlds most economically sratified modern society (America). But, it has been enough to keep middle class Whites happy. For Blacks, this has not been the case. Until more Blacks can rise up from the economic bottom, MLK's vision will be but a mirage, as it is now. Blacks at the top, lawyers, doctors, etc., need to look around at how most all of their brothers and sisters in America are still living, the ghettos, the poverty, the gangs. And they need to change this.

Posted by: magnifco1000 | January 17, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The Obama Plan
What is Obama trying to do with all this spending? He is trying to cause a collapse. Why would he cause a collapse? A collapse is the only way that you could stage a massive takeover of the united states. He has already built the frame work for this takeover. So what is holding him up. The Health Care bill is a key part in causing this collapse. The amount of money that will be required to fund the Health Care bill is a key player. If the Health Care bill passes; Then other planned bills will complete the collapse process. This is why I have called on every single American to do whatever is in their means to stop this takeover. May GOD walk with you and protect you in your journey to save America. The Anti-Christ is here and his name is Obama.

Posted by: makom | January 17, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama has never been one for any form of modesty we all know, but frankly this tops all.

Not only does he not go to church regularly (since throwing his mentor under the bus) but he uses the church for a "look at me" momment on MLK day.

What a hypocritical megalomaniac!

What

Posted by: sally62 | January 17, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

As everyone knows,Dr.King started as a republican,as most were until the 1950's but even though Dr.King never registered as a democrat so as not to be distracted from the cause of civil rights,his work led the majority of blacks to become registered democrats and the democrats in turn,embraced the civil rights movement and fought for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.Bobby Kennedy and later,his brother Ted,championed their cause until the day each of them died.

I can't help but think that today,Dr.King would be proud of,hopeful of and helpful to the President.He would also be cautionary to the President about straying to far from the message he delivered today.

Posted by: JJNJ | January 17, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"Hey, I didn't know my Rev. and Inspirational Mentor for over 20 yrs was spewing Racist Hate America Bilge while I attended his church and endorsed his Negro Liberation Philosophy. Honestly, I had no idea."


Posted by: jas7751 | January 17, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The military will do what Obama (The Command in Chief) tells them to do. No reason Airborne soliders can not parachute in rather than land on airfields--at least then they can begin to establish order so aid can be distributed. And in the meantime, no reason we can not parachute in pallets of food and water. People are dying for lack of the basics, Obama is off in MA trying to salvage a lost election for one of his political cronies. Don't blame the military for not fully supporting the relief efforts, blame their Commander in Chief.

Posted by: JCM-51 | January 17, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

President Obama is not a preacher, pastor, nor does he have a theological degree. He needs to SIT DOWN, SHUT UP, and LISTEN to the WORD of GOD when he goes to church. He needs to be SAVED and accept the Lord Jesus Christ as his Lord and Personal Savior. He should not distort the house of the Lord or the Word of God.

Posted by: knowdalaw | January 17, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Where are all the Libs complaining about "seperation of church and state" and Obama "pandering to Christians?"

Posted by: pgr88 | January 17, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I certainly hope that the IRS revokes this Church's tax exempt status.

Posted by: Marks1153 | January 17, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Shut up and sit down Obama!

Posted by: houston123 | January 17, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

@ Woodsgr,
A bit of history, King was indeed a registered republican.

King identafied, that it was the democrats who brought slavery to this country. However it was the republicans that ended it.

Additionally, he (king) recognized that the Dem's were anti black, and the Klu Klux Klan was born out the democratic party.

The Dem's still have a sitting US senator that was/ is a Klansman.(Robert Byrd-1959)

In 1957 the Dem's voted down the blacks right to vote.

FBI director, J.Edgar Hoover under the sole direction of the kennedys, was summed too tap kings phone, created and spread rumors that he was gay, a communist and a womanizer.

King dealt with the Kennedys, because they were the ones in power. "King had no choice" but to deal with the kennedys.

If you believe in the democratic "Great society".

Then tell me, why has nothing changed in 46 years in the black community ? Its only gotten worse.


King a democrat ? Not hardly !

Posted by: dashriprock | January 17, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

At least the discussion is becoming more civil and some more interesting points have come up. And, although think it's good to air the past resentments and biases that we all have whether we admit them or not, I'd like to see more about this speech and his policies. I'm sorry, but I went through a lot of this discussion in the 60s and 70s and it's becoming rather repetitive to me. We do need to continue to deal with it, but most of the people discussing it in this kind of forum really don't want to listen to each other and move forward. They just want to vent.

Posted by: WomanWhoHasEnduredAndLearned | January 17, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

From Real Time News @ Cleveland.com:

"All church leaders also are mindful of Internal Revenue Service investigations into the tax-exempt status of churches accused of overstepping political boundaries.

"You can't endorse candidates," says Cheryl Townsend Gilkes, a professor of African-American studies and sociology of Colby College in Maine. "Literally, that old model is being clamped down on by the IRS."

Same old Obamanation - he'll ignore any law...he is too special to be held accountable...and if that doesn't work - he'll reinterpret it and change it - "make no mistake."

Posted by: easttxisfreaky | January 17, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

@ Woodsgr,

learn your history, King was indeed a registered republican.

King political was anti democrat.

He (king) recognized that the Dem's were anti black.

In 1957 the Dem's voted down the blacks right to vote.

FBI director, J.Edgar Hover under the sole direction of the kenadeys, tapped kings phone, created and spread rumors that he was gay, a communist and a womanizer.

Posted by: dashriprock | January 17, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I am astounded at the content of these posts. Those who may disagree with the current President's policies are assumed to be racists, a fairly large leap in (mis) judgment. For the record however, I am a white woman whose ancestors were early emigrants to this country from England (my mother's family) and from Ireland (my fathers family). Mother's family has been here for many generations, my father's family for a lesser time. All these ancestors settled in New England, my great grandfather fought in the Civil War on the side of the Union Army and none of my family has ever "owned" a slave. I resent being lumped in by some of society as a racist because I disagree with the President's policies and the direction he wishes to take the country. I personally do not care if he is half white (the part he chooses to ignore), half black, pink, purple, orange or green with yellow polka dots!!

I do not agree with favoring certain people in society over others when it means special deals for union members and nothing for the rest of America's working populace. I do not agree with the taking of one citizen's property (whether goods or money) to give to another.....this only teaches people that they don't have to work to better themselves, they have only to sit back and wait for someone (anyone) to pass them the goodies. Is it any wonder that we have been throwing taxpayer money at the poor since Lyndon Johnson's "War on Poverty" over 2 generations ago and the problem is still there, larger than ever. It simply does not work, it only creates a larger underclass of people who think that the world owes them a living and they are most certainly NOT ALL black.

May I remind everyone that Bill Cosby suggested that there were things the black community could do to help improve their people's lot in life. Bill soon discovered that he could be as "savaged" as any white person making those same suggestions, absolutely disgraceful.

Neither side is totally right, or totally wrong but for the record, as a conservative, what I want is less government intrusion into my life, less profligate spending in Congress no matter who is in control, a return to adherence to the Constitution AND to the values our forefathers fought and died for. That is our real birthright no matter who, or for that matter, what color we are!!

Posted by: OregonStorm | January 17, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget the part about we don't have a choice between violence and non-violence, we have a choice between non-violence and non-existence. Then what about the necessity of war to accomplish things versus non-violence.

Posted by: Wildthing1 | January 17, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I have had several professional positions with difficult challenges that required creativity and cooperation, learning and training. The first year is always the hardest, but if your goals are solid and you are making progress, that is what counts.

Posted by: WomanWhoHasEnduredAndLearned | January 17, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who has to use the words stupid and devil repeatedly in a discussion typically does not have anything of substance to offer.

Posted by: WomanWhoHasEnduredAndLearned | January 17, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

bcs2k ||wrote:
"Amazing how sad and confused folks life must be; to find problems with the President speaking at the house of the Lord. And to top it off -- some idiots have made stupid attempts to judge his soul (i.e. religious belief. You're better off dealing with the ugly man in the mirror. Judge ye not!

Some of you here are sad on one hand and comical on the other."

What???!! Sure, God does the judging, but the Bible tells us that "by their fruits shall you know [God's people}." Obama wilfully and gleefully sat at the feet of a blaspheming, cursing fool and then claims to be untarnished by Wright's nonsense? He has done NOTHING to promote or share Christianity; his only guarantee in regards to any religion is that if Islam and America come into against each other he WILL side with Islam. So what in the world does HE have to say in a Christian church? I'll give you a hint: nothing!

Hey, people,
OMAMA'S PURPOSES ARE 180 DEGREES AWAY FROM DR. KING'S! King gave his all for freedom, but Obama is doing absolutely nothing so we'll be robbed of OUR freedom.

Yomama's getting us deeper into debt and raising unemployment levels and all he can do is blame others! Where's your "hero" now, people? Same as ever...only in your imagination.

Also, that clown claims to want to keep the church and politics separate, but he takes politics and his weak begging into a church, I wonder if Jesus saw this church when He said, "It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."

WomanWhoHasEnduredAndLearned wrote:
"I ask who among you succeeded at your hardest jobs in the first year? As a mother and one who cares about everyone, I am saddened by the venom that is replacing principled discussion."

Let me ask you this: how many of us have kept a job for even a MONTH if we lied to the boss constantly?
Venom? Ma'am, sooner or later you'll have to face the truth that Obama hasn't fulfilled even ONE campaign promise, and he keeps making more of these vain promises! Tell me: what, exactly, has he done to improve America? Betcha can't name even ONE thing. I don't mean PROMISING to do something, but actually actively doing something to make the country better.

Posted by: flipper49 | January 17, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Oh I forgot..god must not like blacks, he destroyed Haiti and let black africans suffer genocide at the hands of black africans, let them suffer from aids and allowed them to be sold into slavery by black people to black people!! go god!!! you are doing a great job eh??

Posted by: zzapperz | January 17, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

All you christians, are whack jobs if you believe the bible. That book alone has caused more torture and massacre's than any racial war. To follow a book assembled by a roman pagan leader, constitine (who was baptized on his death bed), who ignored over 90% of the text submitted for inclusion of the book that had to be edited by the romans to get published, are groping at straws. God is inside us all, in the image and likeness of god, not some invisible guy floating around the sky keeping tabs on all you sinners in his black book..OMG how funny you all are.. don;t worry tho, santa will bring you the latest and greatest edition of the greatest lie ever told!

Posted by: zzapperz | January 17, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

It is Sunday, in one of the most tragic weeks we have experienced in the western hemispere. It is the eve of Martin Luther King Day, for the love of God, please stop! The man is not Christ and he is OUR president whether you are Republican or Democrat. Today of all days please let it be. The man went to church and prayed to God to alleviate the suffering of those alive and dead in Haiti. Let that be enough!

Posted by: Thinking4 | January 17, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Quite frankly, the way that most people on this blog are coming at this discussion is a reflection on your own characters that is not very flattering. I don't agree with everything he has done or anyone else, but just because you're anonymous, that doesn't mean that you should go low.

Posted by: WomanWhoHasEnduredAndLearned | January 17, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Black people are stupid and ignorant if they think white people don't like Obama cause he is black!! I don;t like him cause he is wishy washy, lacks a core and his policies anbd politics suck!! he is like a drunk that found someones credit card and trying to spend as much as he can before he gets caught. If they blacks cant see this, they are the ones that are color blind..I would take Condaleza Rice anyday over obama

Posted by: zzapperz | January 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Martin Luther King Jr. was not a Republican. He spoke out against racism, militarism, and capitalism.

Also, we are in this mess, because when junior Bush went to war, he cut taxes. How do you pay for a war without money?

All you critics, Why aren't you serving in Iraq or Afghanistan? Traitors!

Posted by: woodsgr | January 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

This not about being black or white. It's about deficits, unemployment, bribes and lies.

Posted by: farmsnorton | January 17, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I was not an immediate Obama supporter. It was the experience thing for me. However, his handling of his campaign against Hillary and an examination of his background turned me around. Anyone who reads about his background and looks at his family knows what he is trying to do and be. Only time will tell if he can succeed. And, only the young, inexperienced, and troubled would look at his history and fail to give him credit for trying to make a better world and be his best man.

Posted by: WomanWhoHasEnduredAndLearned | January 17, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I just finished reading some of the previous comments. I'm a sister having worked in the Reagan Administration for 8 years and my Dad did local work for Pres. Carter. I worked for Reagan not because I changed from Democrat to Republican but because I applied for the job and got it. In reading the comments - it hurts me that MY people complain about our Black President or Half Black President how ever you want to describe him. However, he is not Superman, which is what is being implied because he's not doing enough for US. Is he not the President of the United States of America OR Black America. It's bad enough that the Republicans criticize him 24-7 whether he's right or wrong. I understand why they're criticizing him - Its because He's Black and doesn't belong in the White House - but when my brothers and sisters criticize him -- does he get credit for getting there? The Man is a Human Being. Perhaps you would be happier if Bush or CHENEY could be back in the Big House. At that Point it would be time to sit down and shut up. That's what the Republicans Want. I SUGGEST - KEEP YOUR CRITICISMS TO YOURSELF. I'M SURE I'M NOT the only ONE WHO ISn't INTERESTED IN HEARING THEM. I AM AN ADMIRER OF ERIC DYSON BUT WHEN I HEARD HIM WITH THE SAME RETORIC - IT HURT MY HEART. IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF TAKING ONE STEP AT A TIME -- THINK ABOUT IT. BECAUSE THAT'S REALITY -- ONE STEP AT A TIME.

Posted by: phyllisr5 | January 17, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

If I thought this slug had one spiritual bone in his body, I'd give him benefit of the doubt.
Two worship services in a year? Other times bowing down to muslims and tyrants?
Not on your life.
The #$%$#^ liar is nothing but a phony manipulator. No integrity, no ethics, and certainly no leadership.
A real piece of cesspool flotsam.

Posted by: LarryG62 | January 17, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Spread the word people. The mark of the beast on your forehead is when you accept the Anti-Christ through blind faith. The mark of the beast on your hand is when you accept the Anti-Christ through gifts. People Obama is the Anti-Christ that you have all read about. You have been warned. The future is not set and can go in two very different directions. Get involved and help stop this massive take over.

Posted by: makom | January 17, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

As a 58 year old black woman who has had to work hard for everything, from the years of legal discrimination to the present, I know that nothing comes easy. As a professional who has overcome barriers in a non-traditional field for women, I ask who among you succeeded at your hardest jobs in the first year? As a mother and one who cares about everyone, I am saddened by the venom that is replacing principled discussion.

Posted by: WomanWhoHasEnduredAndLearned | January 17, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Less that 1 in 10,000 people in the US in the 1800 owned slaves".

Yet.. the schools don't teach this.
Too many people blame ALL WHITES for being slave owners. And generations later, whites are still being persecuted for it.
This missinformation fosters blaming rather than moving on and making the best of 30 years of equal opportuinty. -- Bill Cosby.
More History: How many whites died in the Civil War to free the slaves?

Labeling all whites as slaveowners or decendent of slave ownwers only leads to more devisiveness, racism on all sides.

Posted by: talketwo22 | January 17, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Black voters remain the biggest dupes there are. 96% for one candidate? A lower percentage believe in God than voted for Obama.

Reality is going to hit very hard.

Posted by: pgr88 | January 17, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

There is no way that obama can even come close to comparing with Dr. Martin Luther King. King tried to bring us altogether, obama is doing his best to split us apart.

Posted by: highwaybluesoccer | January 17, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Amazing how sad and confused folks life must be; to find problems with the President speaking at the house of the Lord. And to top it off -- some idiots have made stupid attempts to judge his soul (i.e. religious belief. You're better off dealing with the ugly man in the mirror. Judge ye not!

Some of you here are sad on one hand and comical on the other.

Posted by: bcs2k | January 17, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Great speech and message!!! And you are wrong, question-guy, there are plenty of opportunity for AFrican American in Federal contracting. I'm black and I've never seen more African American federal contractors than what I see right now. If you are not getting business, you simply are not trying hard enough.

Posted by: bcs2k | January 17, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

People, people, get a-hold of yourselves. Stop with all the name calling while hiding behind your monitors. Spineless? Look who's calling the president spineless!

Posted by: Jose5 | January 17, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Yes, indeed. Using black churches again to further political agendas. Hypocrisy, thy name is Democrat!

Posted by: Lilycat11 | January 17, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable. As he speaks, eloquently as usual, on the civil rights movement, righteousness and justice, Pres. Obama and his polical appointee Lisa Jackson have allowed the TVA to dump the coal ash from the Kingston Spill in Perry County Alabama (poor, majority black).
The hypocrisy lies in this: The Voters Rights movement BEGAN at the courthouse square in Marion, the county seat of Perry County. The Selma March was a direct result of this protest.

Despite a vigorous, and of course, unsucessful, fight put up by the citizens of this county (black & white together), this was foisted upon an impotent citizenry.

The EPA violations that have already aocurred are just appalling (see the video, photos, etc. on alabamarivers.org), and still no one will pay attention.

So, today of all days, I'm not interested in hearing the president making "civil rights" speeches, while ignoring the cradle of where it all began.

Posted by: saveperry | January 17, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I want to talk about the word ‘Audacity’. President Obama’s administration has all but dismantled Affirmative Action and has all but excluded African-American Business from Federal Contracting.
And right now he is speaking at the Vermont Ave. Baptist Church – to a predominately African-American audience and told them while quoting the great Dr. Martin Luther King, “that a little help is better than no help at all”.
He is quite the eloquent speaker. The problem is his actions rarely match his words. African-American should withhold our vote until his ‘Actions’ matches his ‘Words’. Audacity – Now that’s the word of the year.

Posted by: question-guy | January 17, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"Boston Mayor Thomas Menino has told a largely black congregation that if Democrat Martha Coakley loses the U.S. Senate race in Massachusetts, it will be a victory for people who want President Barack Obama to fail."
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I thought it was against the rules to play politics in a church..Liberals should be outraged that this politician is playing politics and not honoring their stance against the separation of Church and State.

Posted by: tdl62 | January 17, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I just received the text of Obama's speech in Massachusetts this afternoon:

http://delaware.craigslist.org/grd/1540582679.html

Posted by: grunk | January 17, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

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Good one Grunk

Posted by: twotimetuna | January 17, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Martin Luther King, Junior was a great Republican.

Posted by: twotimetuna | January 17, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

What are you inferring, WP? That because Obama is speaking from the same CHurch MLK was in that some of MLK's greatness automatically transfers to Obama?

I think not.

Posted by: silencedogoodreturns | January 17, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Watching O's speech. Even in church he lies.

Posted by: logicprevails | January 17, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama postures and campaigns while Haiti is dying before our eyes. Room for Hillary's plane at the airport, but not for a French plane carrying a field hospital.

Posted by: JCM-51 | January 17, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I just received the text of Obama's speech in Massachusetts this afternoon:

http://delaware.craigslist.org/grd/1540582679.html

Posted by: grunk | January 17, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm listening to Obama's church speech and he couldn't resist blaming the past for his political problems. Actually, as he is now blabbing on, he is making a political speech. So much for separation of church and state!

Posted by: Linda7 | January 17, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

lpeter59 said:
So, let me see if I have this straight.
45,000 uninsured people will die every year for the foreseeable future if one guy, that none of us even heard of a month ago, wins an off year election in one of the smallest states in the country?

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That’s incorrect – we will not have Health-Care w/ a Public Option because President Obama is a spineless sell–out. He could have forced this thru Congress at any time during the last six months. Remember NOT A SINGLE Republican voted for what we have now. We can not blame this on the Goobers.

Posted by: question-guy | January 17, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

lpeter59 said:
So, let me see if I have this straight.
45,000 uninsured people will die every year for the foreseeable future if one guy, that none of us even heard of a month ago, wins an off year election in one of the smallest states in the country?
That’s incorrect – we will not have Health-Care w/ a Public Option because President Obama is a spineless sell–out. He could have forced this thru Congress at any time during the last six months. Remember NOT A SINGLE Republican voted for what we have now. We can not blame this on the Goobers.

Posted by: question-guy | January 17, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

First time that Barry the incompetent boob Obama has set foot inside a Christian church since he was elected.

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that's because obozo the liar is always praying to mecca

Posted by: twotimetuna | January 17, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

First time that Barry the incompetent boob Obama has set foot inside a Christian church since he was elected.

Posted by: screwjob2 | January 17, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't matter if Odumbo is black, white or purple.

The leftist slug is a leech, a liar and a shill.

He is more of a threat to our nation than any terrorist could ever dream of being.

Posted by: LarryG62 | January 17, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

So, let me see if I have this straight.

45,000 uninsured people will die every year for the foreseeable future if one guy, that none of us even heard of a month ago, wins an off year election in one of the smallest states in the country?

Apparently, the opinion of this ONE man would stop a bill that was passed by the House, passed with a super majority in the Senate and has the support of the President before the most junior Senator in the country even learns where the restrooms are in the building?

What is that election FOR anyway?? Emperor of America?

Something is SERIOUSLY wrong with how we run this country if this happens!

Posted by: lpeter59 | January 17, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

So the thus POTUS finally decided to go to church- but only to beg for money!So what else is on his agenda? Haiti? Two more security breaches at NY airports? More dead Americans in Afghanistan? The 10% unemployment rate? No! None of these! It's flying to Mass. wasting more taxpayer money TO CAMPAIGN!! The desperation is obvious! This Health care scam means more to him than anything else in the world!On top of that he is supporting a candidate who is clueless. One who thinks there are no terrorists in Afghanistan, that devout Catholic nurses should stay out the operating room and that Curt Schilling is a Yankee fan.How much more do we need to see? The guy is selling this country down the river every minute of every day and Obamabots don't care! Disgraceful!!!

Posted by: yankee11 | January 17, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Obama is the antithesis of MLK.

If MLK were alive today, yes he would be happy that a half-black guy was president, but he WOULD NOT BE HAPPY about what Obama stands for and how he has pushed race relations back 40 years in his attempt at garnering power for the thug unions.

When you have such a divisive leader in office always calling people racists (or having their libertards supporters do it for them) it only makes those differences stand out even more for people to focus on.

Anyone thinking that Obama is in any way like MLK has obviously never studied MLK and what he stood for. He would be embarrassed by Obama today if he were alive.

Posted by: ProveMeWrong | January 17, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Barry couldn't carry MLK's little black book let alone emulate the good doctor's orating and leadership skills.

Posted by: NEWSOUTH1 | January 17, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I like the direction the country is going. 15 months ago, we elected the first black leader of the United States. In another 3 years, people will no longer pay attention to the color of the candidate's skin when they vote for president.

The dream is alive!

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | January 17, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I judge not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character.

Bummer.

Posted by: thermowax | January 17, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

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