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Republicans urge Democrats to start all over on health care

By Shailagh Murray

As senior Democrats struggled to rescue their health-care legislation, Republicans urged President Obama and congressional leaders to give up on the unpopular bill and launch bipartisan talks on a new consensus approach.

Ever since Senate Democrats lost their filibuster-proof majority with the Massachusetts special election, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) have explored using special budget rules to fix the Senate version of the bill before passing it through the House.

It's a highly unusual and risky manuever, albeit the most direct route Obama's desk, and Pelosi and Reid already have run into numerous internal problems as they search for Democratic votes. Liberals want to strip out the primary source of funding in the Senate bill -- an excise tax on high-cost insurance plans -- and are pressing to add a public insurance option. Yet Democratic moderates are reluctant to take another partisan vote on health care, whatever the bill's contents.

Now Reid and Pelosi also must contend with GOP leaders, newly emboldened by their surprise Senate victory, who have latched onto the private talks as the latest example of Democratic strong-arm tactics to push through a bill that polls show Americans view with great skepticism.

"We've seen all week Speaker Pelosi, Majority Leader Reid continuing to scheme and plot trying to find some way to get their big government takeover of health care enacted," said House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio). "Republicans are going to continue to be vigilant in exposing this."

Even after Massachusetts, Boehner continued, "They are still trying to find a way to shove this down the throats of the American people."

Despite the GOP's near-lockstep opposition to Democratic health-care efforts over the past year, Boehner insisted that he wasn't urging his Democratic colleagues to walk away from the cause. "Let's start over on common sense steps that we can take to make our system work better," the Ohio Republican said. "No one in Washington thinks our current health care system is perfect and certainly not Republicans."

In an interview Sunday morning on the ABC News program "This Week," Sen.-elect Scott Brown urged Reid and Pelosi to heed the concerns he heard directly from Massachusetts voters on the campaign trail, who told him they are "upset by the backroom deals," including a special Medicaid provision for Nebraska included in the Senate bill to win the support of Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.).

"Go back to the drawing board and do it in a transparent, bipartisan manner," Brown asserted.

Senior White House adviser David Axelrod told the NBC show "Meet the Press" that Obama would continue to push for a health-care overhaul, as part of an effort to address root causes of the current economic crisis.

"The president is determined that we deal with the problems in front of us and health care is one of those problems," Axelrod said. "The American people aren't saying let's walk away from health insurance reform."

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs, appearing on the CNN program "State of the Union," refused to concede even that prospects for completing a bill had greatly dimmed. "We are still inside the five-yard line," Gibbs said. "We're one vote away in the House of Representatives from making...health care reform a reality."

House and Senate leaders are aiming to determine by the end of the week whether passing the Senate bill is a viable option.

"We're still looking at a way to do comprehensive legislation," said Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), a member of House Democratic leadership, told Fox News. "Certainly, certain provisions have to be dropped out. The Nebraska deal and other portions of that -- even Senator Nelson has said he doesn't want that in the bill. So there are certainly changes that need to be made."

Van Hollen added, "People were justifiably upset about certain things like that deal. But the goal is still to try to get comprehensive health care passed."

By Shailagh Murray  |  January 31, 2010; 2:43 PM ET
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Of course Republicans want to start all over again so they can spend another year dragging their feet. No. Republicans have no ideas because they don't want to do it. Democrats should push it through now. They know it can be done and they should just do it.

Posted by: MaggiePi | February 1, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kare1

What about the 44,000 people who will DIE (200+ every day) solely because they don't have healthcare.

Response;
I see this statistic thrown around in the blogs without ever seeing any supporting data. How many of these people have a coroner's certificate - cause of death: lack of health insurance. What a crock! A quick check of the Census data tells me that about 2.1 Million people die in America every year. That means at least 2 Million people die WITH HEALTH INSURANCE. Check it out. Just because you have health insurance, it doesn't guarantee that you won't die. The mortality rate is still 100%.

If this health reform package is so great, why are the Congress and the labor unions exempted? Talk about special interests!

OBTW, keep up the ad hominem name-calling and not so obscured profanity. It certainly helps convince me which side of the argument is winning.

Posted by: sturat | February 1, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The republicans will insist on starting over until they get the same recipe for disaster that they have insisted on for years. Pork barrel health care with out of control cost fueled by special interest propaganda, profit and campaign donations for porker politicians. Until Americans are smart enough to see through the right wing partisan special interest talk and entertainment attack media and their porker interest our country will be divided. Its a 24 hour a day campaign and attack against any opposition to right wing corporate and government tyrants.
Just turn your radio on, you'll have no trouble finding them any time of the day. Or turn on fox partisan and get the truth distorted every time.

Posted by: kimkimminni1 | February 1, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Yes, let's start all over.

I for one would JUST love to see another year (or more, if we're lucky) of politicians squeezing hospitals and drug and insurance company lobbyists for bucks to fill their campaign coffers, while more citizens lack medical insurance and care and premiums and medical costs go up.

"Lookee here boys!! We found us a gold mine that never plays out."

At some point the number of disaffected people will migrate toward the center and the recognition that not every doctor, drug company or insurance company is going to survive. We NEED reform and that has to be part of it.

But, if the consumer is so all-powerful in this country's economy, how come he and she are so powerless? Could it be that the game is not just slightly rigged, but is actually destructive to the consumer's well-being? Could it be EVERY politician is more aligned with special interests than with yours?

Yup. They got us right where they want us -- and that's the place where extracting the maximum money most efficiently is.

Let's just stop paying any attention to politicians of both corrupt parties and vote AGAINST EVERY INCUMBENT WE CAN for the next three election cycles.

The new slave is the consumer, jobless, paying 20-30% credit card interest, lacking medical insurance and the money to pay for health care (not to mention college). The only voice they have is their vote and they usually get tricked into looking to only one political party for answers and blaming the other.

Freedom lies ahead, but we MUST quit fighting each other and start fighting the political parties that are selling us out and sucking us dry.

VOTE AGAINST EVERY INCUMBENT EVERY TIME YOU CAN.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | February 1, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Can we drop the silly catchphrases? "Big Government Takeover of Health Care" is a little tired. Not to mention it provides ZERO information about the bill, one way or another.

It may have held some sway when the public option was included (it isn't now, soooo...), but even then the soundbite contained ambiguities that cater to inaccuracy.

Republicans better know how to convince the "Average Joe" (read: politically infantile) onto their side of the line. The Dems do it to, but I dare say their constituency demands more substantial content than does the opposition.

Start over? So they can obstruct THIS bill for 9 months and claim the congress (funny, they are part of it)is do-nothing? That's classic carrot on a stick.

The whole debate has been how to fund the senate bill, not the provisions it ACTUALLY provides. Jeez. 6 years ago we would have passed it unfunded and the public wouldn't know squat.

How far we have come.

Posted by: trident420 | February 1, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Its a nice day for a health reform reconciliation between the two parties, the trouble is, however that hell is simply not cold enough yet.

Great article about the health reform war at http://echealthinsurance.com/blog/

Posted by: jeremyeast | February 1, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Republican plan is much more fiscally-responsible, solves the problem within our free market system, without an entitlement program.

Posted by: ohioan | February 1, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Over the next month Republicans are likely to put forth a popular plan that intends to promote freedom and choice in healthcare.

As the cornerstone of this bill they intend to propose that all individuals who save 15% of their family’s yearly salary, up to $4,000 per family member, in a health savings account, be provided certain protections against bankruptcy in the case of severe illness. The expectation is that for low income families the government will match contributions at 50%, with an additional $1,000 per child, until the $4,000 per person threshold is reached. As children become emancipated they will take 15% of the value of the account to establish their own health savings account. Upon death, one-half of the value of the plan will be passed to the estate of the diseased, with the government retaining the other half.

The health savings account will provide funds to pay for preventative and routine care, especially for the young and illegal immigrants, who choose not purchase insurance now. Even those with private insurance will be strongly encouraged to establish an account. The objective is to promote personal choice, and efficiency in health care, as families will be incented to shop for the most cost effective care.

Ultimately, within 20 years, the objective is to restructure Medicare with a cost sharing formula, whereby individuals will pay 30% of the cost of their care.
In terms of catastrophic care, employers will still be encouraged to provide insurance. For those without private insurance, the government shall provide insurance for 50% of the cost, for limited set of preferred and cost-effective treatments. The additional 50% will be initially paid by the government as a zero percent loan. The recipient of this catastrophic care will repay the loan over 20 years, with caps that limit loan repayment to 10% percent of their salary, or 2% of their net worth. Thus no family shall be required to pay more than 25% of their income (15% healh savings account and 10% loan repayment) to secure health care.

Ultimately, the law will require that the program be completely self funded, with zero net cost to the federal government within 20 years.

Posted by: ELFopportunity | February 1, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

With so many things going wrong in '08, even as a conservative I didn't think it was the worst thing to give the left a shot. Then here came the democrats to remind us all over again why we need to keep these people out of power.

Most of our citizens still want our country to be free - not be required by law to purchase a policy because we breathe the air. Yeah, polls show a favorable response to having the govt provide an option to compete. Compete is one of those words that evoke a positive response. But when the question is then phrased that you would be required by law to have insurance, support falls off the table.

For people who have insurance, this country has the best in the world. The current bill is an entitlement program - period. Nobody wants anyone to go without insurance, but at what cost? Someone named countries like Germany - you want to pay taxes like they do? Do you understand how high the taxes are in those countries? The fact is that those who are insured will pay for those who aren't. And the deficit will climb. The "deficit neutral" declarations and the rest are tricks. They collect taxes for 10 yrs and pay out over 7. And they rely on massive future cuts that will never happen. Most understand the con here.

Then they write the bill in darkness not even telling the senate dems what is in it, and have the nerve to say the problem is people don't know what's in it! All while pledging transparency and making deals. Lawyers are large democratic donors so you won't find tort reform in the bill. The unions vote democratic so the unions are exempt from the 40% tax, etc. It's an absolute disgrace. Any person of character should be offended by this and denounce this garbage.

Posted by: josettes | January 31, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

"....we're still looking for a way to ram this down your throats!" Don't let a little thing like learning from your mistakes get in your way DemocRats. Axelrod said, "The American people aren't saying let's walk away from health insurance reform." Nimrod needs to get out from under Barry's desk. I think he's been mislead. LOL.

Posted by: jeepmanjr | January 31, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

We elected the Republicans to pass this Bill and end immigration.
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We elected Carter to Pass Kennedy's health care plan....fizzle

We elected Reagan to pass this Bill and end immigration.

We elected Bush to pass this Bill and end immigration.
We elected Clinton to Pass the Kennedy plan- fizzle

We elected son of Bush to pass this health care bill and end immigration.
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Why does elections seem like a excercise in futility?

Posted by: WilliamBlake | January 31, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

and what do you expect from a party whose members have become so largess'd that they can't even wipe themselves anymore without someone's help...

Posted by: moon-base-alpha
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Do you mean the Republicans, or the upper class in general?

Posted by: WilliamBlake | January 31, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

This is the REPUBLICAN Health Insurance Plan-
Let the Republicans submit this bill- its already worked out in all details-

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2009/September/03/nixon-proposal.aspx

The fact they won't means they are not real Republicans, just neocons. Military lovers. Racketeers. These are the people Nixon kept down, who crawled out of the cracks after he was gone.

Posted by: WilliamBlake | January 31, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

"There is no comparison between that which is lost by not succeeding and that which is lost by not trying." FAILURE IS ALMOST ALWAYS CAUSED BY NOT TRYING HARD ENOUGH. WE HAVE ALMOST WON THE HEALT CARE BATTLE.
WE CANNOT QUIT NOW AS A PEOPLE. DO IT FOR YOUR CHILDREN.

Posted by: seemstome | January 31, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

"Negotiate in a bipartisan manner" for what? Democrats made concessions all last year, and they couldn't get a single Republican vote. Half of what is in the bill is market-based solutions - stuff the GOP would vote for if they didn't have a President to destroy.

Republicans are worse than "the party of no". They're the party of "If we can't run this country, no one can". All through the Bush administration, they told us nothing was holier than the up-or-down vote. Now, they filibuster every Democratic bill. There's no reason for Democrats to negotiate with people who are only interested in blocking them.

Posted by: jonmiller1 | January 31, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS THE MOMENT, NOW IS THE TIME. ONCE AND ONLY ONCE IN A GENERATION DO THE PEOPLE GET A CHANCE LIKE THIS ONE. GRAB IT AND HOLD ON TIGHT.
TOGETHER WE CAN DO THIS FOR THE PEOPLE AND OUR CHILDREN AND WE MUST DO IT NOW.

Posted by: seemstome | January 31, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I would love to see Obama, Reid and Pelosi try to ram Health Care through using their Chicago-style thug politics. They would fail (at the hands of Blue Dogs and Republicans) and it would be the final nail in the November coffin being prepared for the Liberal Members of Congress.

Posted by: JCM-51 | January 31, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA HAS NOT QUIT. OUR WORK IS NOT FINISHED.
WE ARE SO CLOSE TO OUR GOAL. WE WILL NOT QUIT. WE WILL NOT FAIL. THE POWERFUL ARE YIELDING. BY STANDING TOGETHER WE WILL HAVE HEALTH CARE FOR THE PEOPLE AND OUR CHILDREN.

Posted by: seemstome | January 31, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

This so called health care bill by Democrats is a give away to the Big pharma, Big insurance, and the Rich; proving yet again that just like Republican lunatics most Dems are agents of Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big insurance, etc.) too.

Kill this bill and make the next election to be a referendum about Universal Nationalized Single Payer Health Care as they have in ALL European countries, Canada, Israel, etc. vs the for profit health insurance we have in US.

Let the Republican lunatics and the Republican Dems (i.e., Liberman, Nelson, etc.) run against Universal Nationalized Health Care and prove what lunatics they are, what enemy of the American (middle class) they are, given the FACT that under Universal Nationalized Single Payer Health Care every one wins except those who are getting paid $40Mill per year in salaries and flying in $50Mill corporate Jets and who are funding lying slime bags like Limbaugh, Beck, Fix news, Wall Street Journal, etc. to LIE and LIE to American people. U can read full article here:
http://anoox.com/blog/UHC.37605

Posted by: RealNews1 | January 31, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

here is the kind of health care for woment the GOP does want:
Tallahassee, the 1st District Court of Appeal heard arguments in a case involving a pregnant woman — Samantha Burton — confined to a hospital bed, against her will, after disagreeing with her doctor's recommendations for treating pregnancy complications. I joined Ms. Burton's lawyer as a "friend of the court" in arguing that the State of Florida had violated Ms. Burton's constitutional right to make decisions about medical care related to her pregnancy.

The ACLU first learned about this case after Ms. Burton's pro bono lawyer, David Abrams, called us for help as he pursued an appeal of the lower court's order confining Ms. Burton to hospital bed rest. Frankly, I wasn't surprised to hear that the State of Florida had stepped in to override the medical decision-making of a pregnant woman — unfortunately we have seen that before. What was even more stunning than in other cases was the unlimited breadth of the court order; the complete lack of any consideration of Ms. Burton's constitutional rights or health; and the fact that the hearing had gone forward with no legal or other advocate to represent Ms. Burton. After a brief telephone hearing, and no review of her medical records or consideration of a second medical opinion, the circuit court summarily ordered Ms. Burton to submit to any and all medical treatments and interventions — including eventually a C-section — that the hospital's medical staff deemed appropriate. To top it off, the court ordered her to remain confined on constant bed rest at the very hospital where the disagreement arose, and expressly prohibited her from switching to another hospital.

At yesterday's argument, Florida defended its request for these measures by insisting that it was a very narrow intervention, for a "short" time, designed to simply preserve the "status quo" until the court could determine the proper course of medical care for Ms. Burton's fetus.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/reproductive-freedom/court-forces-bed-rest-pregnant-woman

Posted by: siren1 | January 31, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

"If you're afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside"

Apparently in your version of the future, your hand gets to take money out of my wallet.

Some future.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | January 31, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

"The theory of insurance risk spread goes like that the larger the insured pool gets, the more sustainable the insured pool becomes"

Well, yes, but you forgot the 2nd part. Insurance also looks at the history of the insured to set rates for each person and to make a determination if that person is an unacceptable risk.

For example, if you crash your car every week, you either won't be able to get insurance or if you do, it will be very expensive.

Ultimately, the point of insurance is to make money (for the insurer) by making premiums high enough that you make money when statistically, incidents happen in a way that matches your prediction.

What you're suggesting is not insurance, it's simply a government program similar to Social Security. Social Security isn't insurance either.

I'll tell you what though, go ahead and pass your insurance, but give everybody the right to opt out. And don't expect me to prop it up with my tax money.

Should be a piece of cake, right? After all, Obama said there was 38 million uninsured. Should be the biggest insurance plan, so the rates should be the lowest, right?

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | January 31, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Repuke solution to Health care....

Tort Reform
Tax Cuts

Posted by: daweeni | January 31, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

To understand the reform push, you've got to understand the cast of characters involved.
First, there's the Sen Finance chair, who has received $3 million in health industry contributions thus far.
Then there's his sidekick, the WH deputy chief of staff. Who doubtlessly is aware of the $20 million in health industry contributions his boss received.
Then there's the rest of Congress, which divied up the balance of the $200 million that the health industry provided to shape the legislation.
So, please, beware. When reformers say they're fighting against industry interests, the record suggests otherwise.

Posted by: mtpeaks | January 31, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"If you're afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside. The people of this country are ready to move again." WE ARE SO CLOSE, DON'T QUIT, STAND TOGETHER FOR THE PEOPLE AND OUR CHILDREN.

Posted by: seemstome | January 31, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

_________________________

Ronald Reagan The Greatest Hypocritical Presidency Ever, Otherthan George W. Bush and his Borrowing from Communist-Socialist China, who Finances Our Two 8Year Wars and China Owning Our [Government Bonds]...

Following his "Less-Government Intervention Views"

Reagan Cut the Budgets of Non-Military Programs including Medicaid, Food Stamps, Federal Education Programs and the EPA.

Note: He Protected [Entitlement Programs] such as [Social Security and Medicare] however, his administration attempted to Purge Many People with alleged Disabilities from the Social Security Disability Rolls.

The Administration's stance toward the Savings and Loan Industry contributed to the Savings and Loan Crisis.

Reagan Bailed Out the Savings & Loan Institution and that Bail Out will not be Paid Off Until Year [2013 Or 2014 ?]

It is also suggested, by Reaganomics critics, that his Policies partially influenced the Stock Market Crash of 1987...

Big Note: In order to Cover Newly Spawned Federal Budget Deficits, the United States Borrowed [Heavily] Both Domestically and [Abroad] Raising the National Debt from...

[$700 Billion to $3 Trillion]...

Ronald Reagan, Described His New Debt as the "Greatest Disappointment" of My Presidency.

So Much for the Great Policies Termed as..

[Reaganomics]

__________________

Posted by: omaarsblade | January 31, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Create and pass a good 51 vote health care bill. The R's will never participate they have a track record. Just posturing and lies out of them.

Posted by: larry9 | January 31, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

KEEP UP THE PRESSURE ON YOUR SENATOR. IT MAY BE YOUR ONE VOICE THAT HE REMEMBERS. YOU MIGHT SAY THE RIGHT THING AT THE RIGHT TIME THAT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE. IF WE STAND TOGETHER WE CAN WIN. WE ARE SO CLOSE. DON'T QUIT.

Posted by: seemstome | January 31, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

usmc1969 wrote: Under Canada's Health Care if you travel and a doctor siad not to travel. You can lose coverage for that illness. So heart patients need to get ok to travel in vacation outside of Canada.
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The same thing happens in the US unless you purchase extra travel insurance. Sorry, bud. Our system is not so great.

Posted by: lance_monotone | January 31, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Shailagh Murray, WaPost: “ House and Senate leaders are aiming to determine by the end of the week whether passing the Senate bill is a viable option.”

The bottom line on health care is that virtually ALL of the technical and medical processes need to be treated as incremental over many years because they are changing so rapidly, but it takes a national commitment of not just the Independent majority, who just might not understand what genetic health security would do for them or their children, but also a commitment of Libertarian/Progressive minorities to the General Welfare and Justice covenants for a national building block system for health care, preferably without destroying the Liberty covenant with revenue waste and taxation. That would mean that a wellness concept exists to the point that the Congress and Executive don’t try to swim upstream in a whirlpool for the next 30 years, a gridlock that might cost Independents 20 trillion dollars in waste. In terms of incremental wellness, responsible conservatives need to give up the ‘no, no, no’ mentality as much as responsible liberals need to give up the ‘endless money’ mentality. There is no reason incremental wellness improvements can’t happen as long as the gridlock mechanisms cease to exist.

Perhaps a 'bare bones’ system might address ONLY an expansion of the health care system infrastructure, partly now in all congressional bills. Another bare bones process would be to make the physical environments of health care (not the whole world) more cost effective, already in some bills. A third process of ‘bare bones’ involves a universal health data system and network that affects virtually all of the listed items and is already funded in the ‘stimulus’ appropriation but is poorly organized. A bare bones system is a Independent’s litmus test of the congressional awareness of the catastrophe involved in costs going from a current $7,000 per person per year to $11,500 per person by 2016. A simple up/down vote by congressmen on such a system would show if each Member knew what 'progress’ really was according to the covenants of the Constitution. The up/down vote on a simple, uncluttered addition to the structure of health care would tell Independents exactly who the gridlockers were.

Posted by: arjay1 | January 31, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

AS RONALD REAGAN WOULD SAY, ' GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY'.....................................YOU BUNCH OF DORKS.......................

Posted by: Howellstephen75 | January 31, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

AS RONALD REAGAN WOULD SAY, ' GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY'.....................................YOU BUNCH OF DORKS.......................

Posted by: Howellstephen75 | January 31, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I am holding out for 51 Senators (土 the VP) with some gonadal fortitude to pass this bill with a public option. I am tired of the filibustercans running this great country into a second rate gridlockracy.

Posted by: glenglish | January 31, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I am holding out for 51 Senators (土 the VP) with some gonadal fortitude to pass this bill with a public option. I am tired of the filibustercans running this great country into a second rate gridlockracy.

Posted by: glenglish | January 31, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Under Canada's Health Care if you travel and a doctor siad not to travel. You can lose coverage for that illness. So heart patients need to get ok to travel in vacation outside of Canada.

Posted by: usmc1969 | January 31, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

"I refuse to accept the idea that man is mere flotsam and jetsam in the river of life, unable to influence the unfolding events which surround him." WE ARE TOO CLOSE TO QUIT NOW.
WE WILL DO THIS FOR OUR PEOPLE AND OUR CHILDREN.

Posted by: seemstome | January 31, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Im ok with starting all over on the healthcare bill and i believe it should be aired on c-span every step of the way,That would force the reps and those few dems that are against healthcare reform to keep honest and work with those for healthcare reform in a way that is available for Americans to see and understand and the reps would stop their lying tv ads against healthcare reform.imo thats the best way to go with it at this point.

Posted by: smorrow | January 31, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Seemstone wrote:
We will not back down. If we stand together the republicans will fold. Let them filibuster. Now is the time to beat these insurance companies, this opportunity will not come again. We must pass health care for our people and our children. STAND TOGETHER. WE HAVE COME TOO FAR TO FAIL NOW. WE ARE SO CLOSE.

Posted by: seemstome | January 31, 2010 8:55 PM

USMC1969 wrote:

Dang your sure dumb. "Beat the insurance companies"? What are you talking about the insurance companies are a major winner in this reform bill.
So you are ok with all the back roon crap to get the bill as far as it got. Again! It is not the Republicans fault! They had ZERO to do with this mess for a change. thank God!
Tell me what is so great about this bill?
Pleassssse! Then tell me what my premium would be, my co-pay, my out of pocket max.
If the reform plan in that good then we all whould be able to answer the above simple questions.

Posted by: usmc1969 | January 31, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

POWER NEVER CONCEDES WITHOUT A STRUGGLE. IF THERE IS ONE THING I HAVE LEARNED IN LIFE IT IS THAT YOU DO NOT QUIT. OBAMA IS RIGHT, WE ARE AT THE FINISH LINE AND ALL WE HAVE TO DO TO CROSS IT IS STAND AND WALK TOGETHER. LET YOUR CONGRESSMEN KNOW. TALK TO THEM ENOUGH AND THEY WILL LISTEN. TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS. THE STRUGGLE IS ALMOST WON. JUST A FEW MORE STEPS TO VICTORY.

Posted by: seemstome | January 31, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Look the Republicans want Health Reform dead period end of story. If you took the Republican bill to the House and passed it, the Republicans in the Senate would vote it down. They cannot allow the Democrats the "Victory" and nothing is more important than that, not even the well being of this Nation. The one and only thing the present Republican party has been truthful about is they will "only" support that which agrees with their own ever narrowing view, they will not "Moderate" move to the center and definably will not reevaluate any of these positions in light of different information. If you will agree with their positions and only their positions then you may be a “Real American” if not you are the enemy, and they will give no quarter nor any "Aid or Comfort" by allowing you a "Victory" even on that which they agree.

Or to paraphrase; You can have whatever kind of Country you want as long as it’s a Republican one.

And we have all seen what that gets you.

Posted by: notthatdum | January 31, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Seemstone wrote:
We will not back down. If we stand together the republicans will fold. Let them filibuster. Now is the time to beat these insurance companies, this opportunity will not come again. We must pass health care for our people and our children. STAND TOGETHER. WE HAVE COME TOO FAR TO FAIL NOW. WE ARE SO CLOSE.

Posted by: seemstome | January 31, 2010 8:55 PM

USMC1969 wrote:

Dang your sure dumb. "Beat the insurance companies"? What are you talking about the insurance companies are a major winner in this reform bill.
So you are ok with all the back roon crap to get the bill as far as it got. Again! It is not the Republicans fault! They had ZERO to do with this mess for a change. thank God!
Tell me what is so great about this bill?
Pleassssse! Then tell me what my premium would be, my co-pay, my out of pocket max.
If the reform plan in that good then we all whould be able to answer the above simple questions.

Posted by: usmc1969 | January 31, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I gots an ideer. Lets just scap the GOP party, replace it with a Mina bird, teach the bird how to say no and wait and we've got a much cheaper version of the Grand Ma Ma perty.

Posted by: jws2346 | January 31, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I gots an ideer. Lets just scap the GOP party, replace it with a Mina bird, teach the bird how to say no and wait and we've got a much cheaper version of the Grand Ma Ma perty.

Posted by: jws2346 | January 31, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

The theory of insurance risk spread goes like that the larger the insured pool gets, the more sustainable the insured pool becomes. Therefore, if Canada can do so well with their Universal Health Insurance with a smaller population, the U.S. should have a smacking success with Universal Health Insurance system.

In insurance, the more, the merrier.

Posted by: dummy4peace | January 31, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Democrats!

Your own party stalled and killed this bill.

I understand your pain, now you know how I felt when Bush was in Obama's shoes.

We, Americans, do not want THIS health care plan. We want reform but not like this one was done.

Quit, blaming the other party when yours is the only one involved with it.

Pelosi, Reid and Obama all are dis-respecting the majority of Americans by their continued stalling and dealing to get this done. We do not want it the way it is! Period! Mass. vote taught you nothing. Stop the plan and dump all the wheeling in dealing inside it. Unions can pay the same as the next guy. No special deals for anyone. We all suffer together!

Posted by: usmc1969 | January 31, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

We will not back down. If we stand together the republicans will fold. Let them filibuster. Now is the time to beat these insurance companies, this opportunity will not come again. We must pass health care for our people and our children. STAND TOGETHER. WE HAVE COME TOO FAR TO FAIL NOW. WE ARE SO CLOSE.

Posted by: seemstome | January 31, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

If the Republicans and Democrats keep bickering and using partisan political ploys as they have done for two decades to legislate, they'll all be out of jobs.
Fewer and fewer people belong to any party. And fewer and fewer people have the patience to put up with the all the political shenanigans of elected officials who have forgotten they first serve the people and not themselves. It will become easier and easier just to throw the bums out because so many people are hurting and angry and frustrated.

Posted by: pjsilva | January 31, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

There are two core groups of people who oppose healthcare reform, with the same basic agenda – KILL HEALTHCARE REFORM IN THE CRADLE. ___________________________________________

Sounds like a TEABAGGER. It is okay to KILL anything in the cradle - not only reform, but babies as well.
You will spend every dime and every breath to save the life of a FETUS, but once that baby is born, you don't seem to give a crapola. NO HEALTHCARE for that baby. The baby gets sick, and you find the parents putting up contributions in pizza parlors, having car washes and anything else to try to save that child's life.
Bloody hypocrits.

Then there is the most idiotic statement someone else was spouting--- 33 MILLION AMERICANS WILL BE IN JAIL BY NEXT YEAR.
What about the 44,000 people who will DIE (200+ every day) solely because they don't have healthcare.

IDIOTS on parade is what some of you sound like.

Posted by: kare1 | January 31, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

The health care proposal by Dems/Obama shows how right-wing the Democrats are, which means they govern for the benefit of Big corporations (Big Phrama, Big insurance, etc.) and NOT for the benefit of American people AND what utter complete lunatics Republicans are whom are even more right-wing than the Democrats. After all the so called health care bill proposed by Democrats/Obama:
Is neither Universal nor does it cut costs dramatically.

So the only answer to health care is to do what all European countries, Canada, Australia, Japan, Israel (the favorite country of right-wingers) etc. developed nations have ALL done about health care which is to operate health care on a Universal Nationalized basis. More here:
http://anoox.com/blog/UHC.37004

Posted by: RealNews1 | January 31, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The number does not influence the cost per person, $53 per month per person. If anything, increases in the number of customers would lower the per customer cost.

There may be reasons why we would pay more than $53 per month, but the size of the population is not one of them.

Posted by: Martial | January 31, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

With all do respect to Canada and their great $53 dollar a month health care plan.
We have more people un-insured than there are people in Canada. You can not compare the two equally. Every man, woman and child I know would jump at total care for $53 a month. But that is not realistic when we have 10 times the number of people.
I know a doctor in BC who spent his life in Med School and makes $60K a year as a GP doctor.
The Obamacare needs totally cleaned of all special interests, bribes and union give-aways. then add public option where we all pay equally rich to poor.
California spends approx 1 billion a year on medical coverage for 19,000 illegals in the California prison system. 70% are from Mexico. Do the math! How are you dems going to pay for all the legalized illegals Pelosi and Reid want to grant green cards too. You fail to think out of the box What are we going to do with 20 million legalized illegals who can sign up for care for them and their families.
How can you support the back room deals and union back slapping.

Posted by: usmc1969 | January 31, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Here's what We, the People, can do, NOW - hold 'them' Constitutionally Accountable!


1.READ AND SIGN the Pledge in the Articles of Freedom;

2.SEND IT OUT to others and ask everyone you know to do the same.

3.SEND A MESSAGE TO YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS from our web site that says “I’ve signed the Articles of Freedom.” Watch as the messages to them increase by the thousands in the days leading up to Patriots Day, demonstrating a massive show of support never before seen in our history.

4.KEEP VISITING THIS WEBSITE FOR UPDATES and send your email lists the link: http://www.articlesoffreedom.us

Posted by: AJAX2 | January 31, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Whoa, seemstome. Your remarks are racially charged, and way beyond the pail.
May I suggest some anger management, or some time in jail?

Posted by: mtpeaks | January 31, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Democrats would be well advised to listen to Jim Webb of Virginia. A bipartisan bill is not only possible, but probable, if Webb takes the lead. But the chicanery of the existing bill needs to be removed, and let's have a little more good faith negotiating on BOTH sides.

Posted by: SavingGrace | January 31, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans don't want to reform health care/insurance. They don't care about the 30-40 million Americans who have no insurance. They don't care that if nothing is done costs will continue to go up for Everyone.

What they do want is to prevent Obama and the Dems from passing anything, since they know the people will realize it was good and helpful. In early polls, if you ask the right questions, up to 70% of Americans support SINGLE PAYER for goodness sakes!! All the GOP is good at is confusing and scaring people and delaying and delaying until everyone is disgusted. PASS HEALTH CARE REFORM! The Dems are weak and ineffective, but they have the right ideas. The Party of No has no ideas, except the bad ones that got us into the mess we are in!!

Posted by: bowmanrand1 | January 31, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans don't want to reform health care/insurance. They don't care about the 30-40 million Americans who have no insurance. They don't care that if nothing is done costs will continue to go up for Everyone.

What they do want is to prevent Obama and the Dems from passing anything, since they know the people will realize it was good and helpful. In early polls, if you ask the right questions, up to 70% of Americans support SINGLE PAYER for goodness sakes!! All the GOP is good at is confusing and scaring people and delaying and delaying until everyone is disgusted. PASS HEALTH CARE REFORM! The Dems are weak and ineffective, but they have the right ideas. The Party of No has no ideas, except the bad ones that got us into the mess we are in!!

Posted by: bowmanrand1 | January 31, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Wow
You libs just don't get it! You had 13 months and a super majority in BOTH houses and made deals with unions, AARP, PHARMA, Insurance Co's, drug companies, bribed senators of you OWN party and lord knows who else, you sold out behind closed doors. Yet, you still have the absolute gall to blame the other side. You made these back room deals that blew up im your face. You still fail to see that this is a huge entitlement that absolutely NO ONE knows what it will cost! No one knows or has any idea what is in this train wreck of a bill. Americans I speak to daily do not want it! Why! Because they see this as an entitlement and we have too many now that we can not afford.
Just answer this: I am 60 year old, 200 lbs, non smoker and 5'11". WHAT" is my premiun, my co-pay, my deductables and my ma out of pocket for the Obamacare plan.
Truth is No One knows! Yet, the unions and special interests involved in this pay nothing towards it. Once Reid jumped in bed with the Unions the plan fell totally apart. Explain my cost and why this is NOT another handout.
Now! We later learned the the $787 Billion stimulus is actually $862 Billion according to CBO. So your telling the a trillion dollar health care plan is going to lower my cost. HOW!

Posted by: usmc1969 | January 31, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Green political sympathizer and liberal Democrat, so the health care reform bill, when it comes, must become law. Health care is a right. Republicans, as usual, are speaking nonsense by saying that the health care reform bill from the Senate should be abandoned. It would be unwise if Democrats in Congress did abandon the Senate health care reform bill but they won't. This year, there will be health care reform in the United States and I support it.

Posted by: LibertyForAll | January 31, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

It was the insistence of Obama for bipartisanship which resulted in the current debacle, republicans are not interested in a healthcare reform bill which they have already shown that over the last 12 months. The democrats need to caucus, write a new bill including a public option-which the great american insurance industry will be unable to compete with- or better yet just a simple universal expansion of medicare, and pass it by majority vote as a budget amendment. Republicans did it all the time.

Posted by: jmdziuban1 | January 31, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse
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Great idea - However President Obama will never this because big HC insurance is in his pockets and he is a sell-out & a fraud. He lied about so many things he can no longer face his own people.

Posted by: question-guy | January 31, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

A forum in Tampa florida, Baynews9 I-poll question was "What impact did President Obama's State of the Union address have on your opinion of him?"
Here are some responses:

seemstome
Posted By Mike on 01/31/2010 @ 04:42 PM
Your the reason why NI GG ER is still in use.
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seemstome
Posted By Mike on 01/31/2010 @ 04:56 PM
This comment was about you, but stupid cannot be cured. Obama is not one, because he is mulatto which is 1/2 black and 1/2 white in case you do not know the meaning. Idiot.
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God bless our troops
Posted By Sharon on 01/31/2010 @ 05:02 PM
As usual the disgusting progressives must not allow discussion, or the poll question to be answered. The truth is that the progressive movement through history has shown they HATE FREE SPEECH. They want to destroy our country for that reason. It is clear with the Progressive President and his agenda to destroy our country as more and more Americans stand together asking questions and speaking the truth not just accepting blindly the lies that the progressives will keep the insulting and attacking up at full pressure, this was evident with the Progressive President Obama attacking and bulling everyone in this State of the Union. Clearly a low for Americans everywhere as he openly insulted our Supreme Court justices and insulted our legislative elected saying HE KNOWS ALL. A dictator, or just not quite there yet? Regardless the lower level of society that seeks to destroy and control the rest because of their fears will not be successful and rats run when exposed to the light. So run progressives run, WE THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO EXPOSE YOU AND WE WILL STAND PEACEFULLY TOGETHER TO STOP THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR BELOVED AMERICA.
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seems to stoned
Posted By N.I.B. on 01/31/2010 @ 06:00 PM
ha ha ha ha ha ha you only wish you could even come close to sharon and her level(she is allot smarter), your a joke and we all see it no doubt, don't worry die hards like yourself just keep going and ignore the facts like virginia,new jersey,massachusetts, there is allot more ahead and even after the fall of power your kind will still be saying it's all bushes fault? ha ha ha ha ha! even alfred e newman "aka" bush is smarter then you and that's not saying much about your smarts,you have many posting names and all are so lame but they are always the same you praise your messiah even after the boat will sink to the bottom, hey nothing wrong with loving the worst presidents of all time like carter/odumbo, but you will ignore all anyways, the word i am looking for when it comes to you is "dummy" , well good luck with that!
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This was AFTER Obama announced the high speed rail money being given to Tampa to Orlando!!

Go back and start over again after coming this far? OVER ME AND MY PEOPLES DEAD BODIES!!!

Posted by: seemstome | January 31, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

If Democrats push this social program of health care takeover, you will see a revolt by the people not seen since the Boston Tea Party. They majority do not want this bill and the Democrats will be committing political suicide. They have turned a deaf arrogant ear to the people. Massachusetts is only the beginning. Frankly it has been a long nightmare of a year. We deserve so much better than this. Let us send these people home this year and what we miss, get in 2012.

Posted by: greatgran1 | January 31, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is full of SHYT. Bite me MUTHERTUCKERS

Posted by: K2007 | January 31, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

TINYJAB40, iF, Dems COULD CAREless about HC, They just want votes, WHY WOULD A rEPUBLICAN PROPOSE A ONE PAGE DOCUMENT THAT COULD SOLVE THIS PROBLEM AND THE DEMS REBUFFED IT this is about gaining a voting block, NOT HEATHCARE!!!!

Darrell Issa propsed a 1 pg document that would bring all americans under the same congressional members currently enjoy and Miss Pelosi rebuffed it... she didnt want us common folks visiting the same Doc she had. Yeah,Nancy baby rebuffed the proposal. The Dems dont care about the american people they only care about passing healthcare so they can swear in (citizenship to increase their voting block)as many illegal immigrants under the healthcare plan while Barry's (his citizenship is questionable) in office. Everyone knows when an immigrant is sworn in 90% tend to vote for the party that was in office when they were sworn in.

Posted by: Fred23 | January 31, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

TINYJAB40, iF, Dems COULD CAREless about HC, They just want votes, WHY WOULD A rEPUBLICAN PROPOSE A ONE PAGE DOCUMENT THAT COULD SOLVE THIS PROBLEM AND THE DEMS REBUFFED IT this is about gaining a voting block, NOT HEATHCARE!!!!

Darrell Issa propsed a 1 pg document that would bring all americans under the same congressional members currently enjoy and Miss Pelosi rebuffed it... she didnt want us common folks visiting the same Doc she had. Yeah,Nancy baby rebuffed the proposal. The Dems dont care about the american people they only care about passing healthcare so they can swear in (citizenship to increase their voting block)as many illegal immigrants under the healthcare plan while Barry's (his citizenship is questionable) in office. Everyone knows when an immigrant is sworn in 90% tend to vote for the party that was in office when they were sworn in.

Posted by: Fred23 | January 31, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Here is what We can do, NOW:

1.READ AND SIGN the Pledge in the Articles of Freedom;

2.SEND IT OUT to others and ask everyone you know to do the same.

3.SEND A MESSAGE TO YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS from our web site that says “I’ve signed the Articles of Freedom.” Watch as the messages to them increase by the thousands in the days leading up to Patriots Day, demonstrating a massive show of support never before seen in our history.

4.KEEP VISITING THIS WEBSITE FOR UPDATES and send your email lists the link: http://www.articlesoffreedom.us .


Posted by: AJAX2 | January 31, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

The problem is the death of journalism on the airwaves and it continual demise of newspapers. We invade Iraq so a few neo con hedge funds could crate a LA sized market for selling franchises, oil and ignorance. We see corporations having more rights than people, with tort reform they can sue you, you can't sue them. The two things that the republicans do not want reformed are health care and the pay day loan shark store industry. The republicans can only serve the corporate elite or they face the wrath of the 800 million dollar gorilla in the room, Rush. The death of journalism and the rise of the sound bite media has forced America right back to the early 19th century in a time when millions of jobs have been exported for the shortsighted profit of a few, thousands of companies sold off to foreign hedge funds, many European and with dozens of former senators and representatives in the employ of foreign interests and more in office with an eye to a cushy corporate job it is no wonder and until the American people actually THINK that maybe the tea party is really just a political scam a place where people who were duped before to be duped again then we are in real trouble. The reality is the cost of two wars, massive tax cuts for the top 2% who have over 90% of the wealth and a massive drug bill that was also not paid for the reality is after the credit default swap scam, and the American people left with the bad parts and a few English and Chinese run off with the profitable parts AIG leaving us with tarp paper the reality is this deficit did not happen over night and it is not going away over night. There is no CHEAP easy way out of this mess. The best way to start is put the gorilla back in the zoo and have executives allow Journalism to grow and when it comes to politics the world would be a better place if Church, and Corporations stayed out of Politics and no politicians moving into board rooms, unless they start the business with their own dime, and not dubious hedge funds. Then we can begin to fix the mess that legal CORRUPTION has caused. Where is Edward R when we need him?

Posted by: iseasygoing | January 31, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

By this time next year, 33,000,000 Americans will be fined and put in jail for failure to be able to pay for the HC deform insurance scam. All the Dems worry about is that Planned Parenthood gets to be called an "essential community provider" and gets a huge chunk of this HC deform insurance scam.

On top of the 33,000,000 jailed Americans, there will 43,000 more dead because all the Dems care about is "essential community provider" status for Planned Parenthood which they are steam rolling upon the public - now even in violation of Congressional rules.

Posted by: kwoods2 | January 31, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I say the congress accepts the senate bill word for word into law!

NOW!

Posted by: ggrant9170 | January 31, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

My approach to heath insurance reform is not complicated.
Rather than force-feeding another 30 million Americans into coverage, in exchange for insurers agreeing to stop their immoral ways.
Why not just stop their contemptuous acts? Then the rest of us will sign on.
Oh, that's right. The insurers have spent $200 million currying Congressional favors. So they win, right?

Posted by: mtpeaks | January 31, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

...and what do you expect from a party whose members have become so largess'd that they can't even wipe themselves anymore without someone's help...


Posted by: moon-base-alpha | January 31, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I urge the GOP to go F___ themselves.

Posted by: kurthunt | January 31, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Here's a piece written in Jan 2010:

“A mere seven months ago (that would be around June 2009), The New York Times/CBS poll found that 72% of Americans ‘supported a government-administered insurance plan—something like Medicare for those under 65—that would compete for customers with private insurers.’”

After eight months of ignoring the public's preferences, the Democratic President is ready to align with the Republicans and give us what? Market-based health care to go with market-based finance?

Wow ! No wonder people are fleeing the Democratic Party! We must found a political party that has the courage to legislate in the public interest. Apparently, the Democrats have lost the courage to do so.

Posted by: theworm1 | January 31, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Why is healthcare so expensive?

Could it be...

1. The government only reimburses 10 or 15 cents on the "usual and customary fee" dollar?

2. Could it be that the public who chooses not to have insurance, a job or medicaid has to pick-up the slack?

3. Why the heck should I be forced to subsidize someone else's problem(s), a'la "spread the wealth?"

4. What's wrong with giving tax breaks for people who do purchase health insurance?

5. Why did the Democrats plan to cap medical flex-spend accounts?

6. Why did the Democrats plan to disallow the use of medical flex-spend money for over-the-counter drugs, such as:
Zyrtec
Rolaids
Pepto-Bismol
Band-Aids
Tampons
Epsom Salts
etc.?

7. Why are unions exempt for taxation upon their health insurance premiums. They get a Cadillac and we have to drive around in Yugos?

Chris Van Hollen reminds me of a little Chihuahua, who nips at people and represents the ills of the Democratic Party, as much as Botox Pelosi, Alan Grayson or Anthony Weiner.

Their constituency should give all of these Bozos the pink slip, in November.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | January 31, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

No way! So far, Republicans have said no to every single part of an already right-of-center bill. If they join the table they will certainly take credit for passing health care reform, even if it isn't really reform. If Republicans want to filibuster any bill, let them. I'd like to see how they would explain it to the American people how they opposed preventing AHIP from excluding people with pre-existent conditions.

Posted by: eh_politics | January 31, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I've read a slew of RIDICULOUS posts about the Canadian Health Act, our national medical insurance plan which covers everyone in Canada. There isn't a single person I have met in Canada who would every dream of scrapping it. My premium covers all health services, from a hangnail to surgery. It comes to $53.00/month. Sure, it isn't perfect, but it is always being refined as the demand for new technology increases. Canadian nurses have exceptional training and the U.S. tries to recruit them. My point is: the U.S. is addicted to a mythology about totally private health care. Whether you make 10 million or 10,000 bucks, you are entitled to health care here and the vast, vast majority of Canadians have only good words for it overall. Getting rid of those who leach off illness will be so difficult for you. I watched the 60 Minutes report on Medicare fraud, now BIGGER than the DRUG trade, to the tune of 60+ billion buck a year. It has been going on year after year after year, despite the knowledge of those at the top. This is unimaginable to be happening, with checks sent off to criminals who don't even have a storefront! Where is your judicial system, who is responsible for guarding the hard earned cash of the American people?? 60 BILLION....

Posted by: marat1 | January 31, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

"33,000,000 Americans will be fined and put in jail for failure to be able to pay"

Wow, 33 million people in jail, huh? Jesus H. Christ.

To think that people like you used to actually be in charge of the country... must be why it was so screwed up when Bush handed it over.

Posted by: ottoparts | January 31, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

AZdave wrote:
"During the next year Republicans will help at least another 43,000 die for lack of healthcare but nevermind Republicans don't care about that anyway just about getting more seats in Congress."


____________________________________________________
By this time next year, 33,000,000 Americans will be fined and put in jail for failure to be able to pay for the HC deform insurance scam. All the Dems worry about is that Planned Parenthood gets to be called an "essential community provider" and gets a huge chunk of this HC deform insurance scam.

On top of the 33,000,000 jailed Americans, there will 43,000 more dead because all the Dems care about is "essential community provider" status for Planned Parenthood which they are steam rolling upon the public - now even in violation of Congressional rules.

Posted by: kwoods2 | January 31, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

The "Party of No" wants more "bipartisanship"?

Bwaahahaha! There are the same people who lied us into the Iraq war, and who have opposed President Obama on virtually every issue.... just to oppose him, because they don't care about the average American, they just want to "win"... or at least keep "the other guy" from "winning."

The Democrats have 59 votes in the Senate. George Bush rammed through tax cuts for the wealthy, and several other pieces of legislation that did great harm to the average American, with less votes that that.

Forget about "bipartisanship"-- the GOP has proven over and over and over again that they have no ideas which haven't already been proven deadly to the middle class. Do it over their whining and crying on Fox "news."

Just get it done, Democrats!

Posted by: losthorizon10 | January 31, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

The Republican party demands this Plan!!!
This is the REPUBLICAN Health Insurance Plan-
Let the Republicans submit this bill- its already worked out in all details-

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2009/September/03/nixon-proposal.aspx

I think we all agree that anyone who cannot support this plan does not belong in the Republican Party?

Posted by: WilliamBlake | January 31, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

There is NO possibility that Republicans will negotiate or bargain in good faith. If meetings were to be called, they would simply emulate the Iranians and "negotiate" forever with the clear intention of NEVER making any deal whatsoever.
I agree with those who believe the Democrats should make the Republicans filibuster. They want to talk? Let them talk.

Posted by: cms1 | January 31, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha ha... Republicants know the Dems are about to pass the biggest and best social reform since Medicare, and this is another pathetic attempt to stop it...

Sorry Republicants, if you wanted to stay in charge you shouldn't have screwed up so badly when you were in office... you doubled the national debt, started two wars you couldn't finish, and screwed up everything else in sight!

Posted by: ottoparts | January 31, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Republicans NEVER do anything in a bipartisan way. When we threatened to filibuster they threatened the nuclear option. Like idiots, Democrats caved. Obama should likewise force a filibuster in the Senate and make the republicans vote against specific issues like Preexisting condition coverage and Cancellation because of illness. Make them show their true ugly intentions.

Posted by: seemstome | January 31, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

FYI-knjincvc ;
Let me point out Nixon was scapegoated by the bad guys. The history you know may not be the whole story.

Nixon was trying to get us National Health Insurance. To be paid for from savings he already achieved in the federal budget-no new taxes.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2009/September/03/nixon-proposal.aspx

The nation was prosperous.The farms booming exports maxed out, unemployment 2%-3%. The Viet Nam war over. He had ended the Cold War. He said we would no longer depend on a economy of war.
Since 1971 at least Nixon was trying to promote our energy independence. He anticipated the threat of OPEC. His energy program, scuttled by Carter, if pursued would be all we dream now of having, all nuclear and hydroelectric. Carter mandated coal, for Rockefellers sake.
Nixon's wage & price controlls, to stem inflation, had been successful in WWII, when The Federal Reserve cooperated. In the 70's the Fed did not cooperate.
Carter flooded the country with immigrants pushing unemployment skyhigh. He caused interest rates to go up to suppress manufacturing. He began deregulation of the trucking industry, airline, and savings and loan. He began outsourcing American industry. Carter appointed Paul Volcker to head the federal reserve. Carter brought on the depression of the late 70's, in later cooperation with Reagan, to destroy inflation by destroying the power of labor (& unions) to keep wages in line with price increases.
So, was Nixon really a good guy, good for most all Americans anyway? Once Nixon was forced to resign the national Health Insurance was 'disappeared' and the energy program dismantled...the Cold War came back inch by inch...
What do you think?

Posted by: WilliamBlake | January 31, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Yep, that's just what America wants another year of delay by Republicans when we already know that at the end of it they will vote against absolutely anything that any Democrat desires anyway. We have reached a point where Republicans would filibuster 'motherhood' if it was proposed by a Democrat. I hope the tea party crowd actually watched the Republican spin machine on Friday when President Obama met with them. Their vapid proposal, "we have a bill that will give all Americans healthcare and solve all of the problems but it would cost nothing" was actually said out loud. My God! Republicans know it is " a lie" to coin their own party but they still insist. During the next year Republicans will help at least another 43,000 die for lack of healthcare but nevermind, Republicans don't care about that anyway just about getting more seats in Congress.

Posted by: AZdave | January 31, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

No one wants this horrific massive expensive so called health care bill that is not cost reform and creates 110 new government agencies we all know will be a cesspool of waste and fraud. This progressive idea of pushing for government control is designed so some will sacrifice for the good of all. They want us to pay more in taxes, pay more for for less coverage, they limit payoff of singles to
5000 and families 10000 which is rationing, committees will decide what procedures will be covered, they want to curb costs in waste in medicare which these politicians have robbed for years knowing more will be coming in to an already strained system which is rationing, they want us to pay for all illegals throwing them along with those who would prefer to buy HD tvs than health insurance in medicaid pushing the expense on the state which makes you and I pay for it again along with the deal they made with the spineless gutless Senators of Nebraska and Louisiana, they want us to pay a forty percent fine if you are intelligent enough to have coverage that is any good and you will be picking up the cost for union members with cadillac plans, they want us to pick up the health care costs of union retirees and community organization retirees, and they know doctors are already telling their medicare patients to find new doctors since they have lowered payments and because of immense paperwork demands. And you rocket scientists up there in Washington cannot understand why no one wants this terrible collage of garbage? The people are mad and tired of this nightmare. If you think we will stand for this, you are crazy.

Posted by: greatgran1 | January 31, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

kubrickstan wrote>>>now they (Republicans) want to spend MORE TIME to talk and argue about the health care bill.

What's another 16 years to Republicans?
They ALL have affordable health care - as do Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly and other Rightist pundits that scream "socialism!" WHILE our premiums skyrocket!!

Posted by: angie12106 | January 31, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

"JUST SAY NO!" (But take the money)

"...Gingrey joins numerous other conservatives in opposing the stimulus while touting its benefits and exploiting its funds. For example, following their votes against the stimulus, Sens. Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) asked Defense Secretary Robert Gates to steer $50 million in stimulus funding into a bio-energy project they supported. Rep. Joseph Cao (R-LA) boasted about securing funds for streetcar expansions that came from ARRA funds. And perhaps the biggest hypocrite of all, Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-LA), toured his state handing out jumbo-sized checks that were funded by the stimulus, despite his pledge that if he was still a member of Congress, he would’ve voted against the Recovery Act.
(Think Progress)

(This is what a lie looks like and the president puts some sunshine on it)

"....some of you have been at the ribbon-cuttings" of stimulus projects even as they opposed the actual legislation."
(President Obama in Baltimore.)

Posted by: MILLER123 | January 31, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Yep, that's just what American voters want to hear: Yet another health reform deal has been struck. In doing so, the dem leadership will have appeased the 13% of their base that call themselves progressives, while throwing the other 87% of us under the bus.
Brilliant!

Posted by: mtpeaks | January 31, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

seemstome wrote:
Bipartisanship won't work. You have got to railroad a republican to get anything done.
_____________________________________________________
Railroad a republican - that's a leftist view of bipartisanship.

Posted by: kwoods2 | January 31, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

How important was healthcare to the republicans during the Clinton administration? How important was healthcare when the republicans were in control of the House? And last but not least, how important is healthcare to the republicans during the Obama Administration? You get my point? No matter how you look at it, they will NEVER sign on to anything that will enhance the President's image. So, they will just continue their "Just Say No" campaign that they took from Nancy Reagan.

Posted by: MILLER123 | January 31, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

ottothewise>>>>here I am, starting over.
MEDICARE SHALL BE EXTENDED TO ALL CITIZENS

Sounds good to me!
we love our government-run (gasp!) Medicare - and there are NO stockholders and CEOs standing between us and our doctors.

Posted by: angie12106 | January 31, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

A forum in Tampa florida, Baynews9 I-poll question was "What impact did President Obama's State of the Union address have on your opinion of him?"
Here are some responses:

seemstome
Posted By Mike on 01/31/2010 @ 04:42 PM
Your the reason why NI GG ER is still in use.
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seemstome
Posted By Mike on 01/31/2010 @ 04:56 PM
This comment was about you, but stupid cannot be cured. Obama is not one, because he is mulatto which is 1/2 black and 1/2 white in case you do not know the meaning. Idiot.
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God bless our troops
Posted By Sharon on 01/31/2010 @ 05:02 PM
As usual the disgusting progressives must not allow discussion, or the poll question to be answered. The truth is that the progressive movement through history has shown they HATE FREE SPEECH. They want to destroy our country for that reason. It is clear with the Progressive President and his agenda to destroy our country as more and more Americans stand together asking questions and speaking the truth not just accepting blindly the lies that the progressives will keep the insulting and attacking up at full pressure, this was evident with the Progressive President Obama attacking and bulling everyone in this State of the Union. Clearly a low for Americans everywhere as he openly insulted our Supreme Court justices and insulted our legislative elected saying HE KNOWS ALL. A dictator, or just not quite there yet? Regardless the lower level of society that seeks to destroy and control the rest because of their fears will not be successful and rats run when exposed to the light. So run progressives run, WE THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO EXPOSE YOU AND WE WILL STAND PEACEFULLY TOGETHER TO STOP THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR BELOVED AMERICA.
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seems to stoned
Posted By N.I.B. on 01/31/2010 @ 06:00 PM
ha ha ha ha ha ha you only wish you could even come close to sharon and her level(she is allot smarter), your a joke and we all see it no doubt, don't worry die hards like yourself just keep going and ignore the facts like virginia,new jersey,massachusetts, there is allot more ahead and even after the fall of power your kind will still be saying it's all bushes fault? ha ha ha ha ha! even alfred e newman "aka" bush is smarter then you and that's not saying much about your smarts,you have many posting names and all are so lame but they are always the same you praise your messiah even after the boat will sink to the bottom, hey nothing wrong with loving the worst presidents of all time like carter/odumbo, but you will ignore all anyways, the word i am looking for when it comes to you is "dummy" , well good luck with that!
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This was AFTER Obama announced the high speed rail money being given to Tampa to Orlando!!
Bipartisanship won't work. You have got to railroad a republican to get anything done.

Posted by: seemstome | January 31, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: You NOW have an opportunity to end the Recession by encouraging the Banks to make Prudent CRE Loans. The Banks are now unfettered to make Safe Loans. In Large American Cities there are thousands of Major Projects with Entitlements. CRE PRODUCES THE GREATEST NUMBER OF JOBS than any other segment of the Economy. Glass mfg, Steel Industry, truckers, architects, brokers, agents, construction workers, electricians, plumbers, office furniture manufacturers....WE COULD HAVE 6% UNEMPLOYMENT WITHIN 4 MONTHS....THERE ARE 140 SHOVEL READY, ENTITLED, PROJECTS OF 70 OR MORE UNITS READY TO GO IN LOS ANGELES alone!! People will be WORKING FOR 2 YEARS BEFORE THE BUILDINGS ARE COMPLETE; and by then, the Recession will be over and Tenants will Flood the Market to Purchase Modern “green” units. This same scenario is found in Boston, Philadelphia, Houston, Ft. Worth, Detroit, Cleveland, St. Louis, Kansas City, Tampa, Providence, Hartford, St. Paul—all across America.

Posted by: MSFT-PELOSI | January 31, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

And the hypocrite republicans, on one hand there complaining because President Obama is to concerned about health care and not about job creation....now they want to spend MORE TIME to talk and argue about the health care bill. Stay focused on jobs Obama, it is the key to your re-election.

Posted by: kubrickstan | January 31, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Pretty simple to me...NO PUBLIC OPTION, no bill. We know the republicans will never support a public option and this current bill is crap. There is no other plan other then the public option. American's don't like this bill because it DOESN'T have the public option in it. I wish Obama would just flat out state, public option or bust. He needs to concentrate on job creation, not spend another six months dealing with the health care bill. Public Option or veto any other bill.

Posted by: kubrickstan | January 31, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

It was the insistence of Obama for bipartisanship which resulted in the current debacle, republicans are not interested in a healthcare reform bill which they have already shown that over the last 12 months. The democrats need to caucus, write a new bill including a public option-which the great american insurance industry will be unable to compete with- or better yet just a simple universal expansion of medicare, and pass it by majority vote as a budget amendment. Republicans did it all the time.

Posted by: jmdziuban1 | January 31, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Senator Orrin Hatch: "...Would this include abortion providers? I mean, it looks to me like you're expanding it to... for instance, Planned Parenthood. Would that put them into this system?"

Senator Barbara Mikulski: "It would include women's health clinics that provide comprehensive services and under the definition of a woman's health clinic, it would include, uh, it would include, uh, Planned, uh, Parenthood clinics."

Posted by: kwoods2 | January 31, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

KBlit Posted January 31, 2010 5:55 PM
"Just sorta mention these items.
The Wars we are fighting are costing over $1.4 trillion a year.
The last president to get the Government to reduce energy and the public to also go along to reduce energy costs was a guy named Carter. Obama like Carter is headed for one term and out."

Soo... have you forgotten who started two wars?

And the Jimmy Carter canard... Carter had to deal with inflation caused by the Vietnam war,Nixon's wage and price freezes, Arab oil embargoes, Nixon going off the gold standard. Recall Ford's WIN (Whip Inflation Now).
By the time Carter left office the economy was starting to recover.
Reagan came into office and raised taxes and along with Bush Sr. left the USA with a $5 trillion dollar debt.

October 29, 2003,
"In 1982 alone, he (Reagan) signed into law not one but two major tax increases. The Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act (TEFRA) raised taxes by $37.5 billion per year and the Highway Revenue Act raised the gasoline tax by another $3.3 billion.

According to a recent Treasury Department study, TEFRA alone raised taxes by almost 1 percent of the gross domestic product, making it the largest peacetime tax increase in American history. An increase of similar magnitude today would raise more than $100 billion per year.

In 1983, Reagan signed legislation raising the Social Security tax rate. This is a tax increase that lives with us still, since it initiated automatic increases in the taxable wage base. As a consequence, those with moderately high earnings see their payroll taxes rise every single year.

In 1984, Reagan signed another big tax increase in the Deficit Reduction Act. This raised taxes by $18 billion per year or 0.4 percent of GDP. A similar-sized tax increase today would be about $44 billion.

The Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 raised taxes yet again. Even the Tax Reform Act of 1986, which was designed to be revenue-neutral, contained a net tax increase in its first 2 years. And the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987 raised taxes still more.

The year 1988 appears to be the only year of the Reagan presidency, other than the first, in which taxes were not raised legislatively. Of course, previous tax increases remained in effect. According to a table in the 1990 budget, the net effect of all these tax increases was to raise taxes by $164 billion in 1992, or 2.6 percent of GDP. This is equivalent to almost $300 billion in today's economy."

Posted by: knjincvc | January 31, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

“GOP Urges DEMS to Scrap bill”…It should say Republican Overseers tells a weak Democratic President what to do – than watch him do it.

We should have elected Hillary. First of all, she is not scared of meeting with Black and Hispanic folks. Also she knows how to handle Small Business Federal Contractors – so the economy would be cranked up by now.

Posted by: question-guy | January 31, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I ordered a whiskey and you offer up a Bud Light. Now, we should re-negotiate from scratch what I wanted to begin with? I now want a more experienced bartender.

Posted by: juggernautenterprises | January 31, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

"big government takeover of health care"
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That kind of phrase is perfect when you assume your audience is limited to double digit IQ's and is absolutely ironclad evidence that the person speaking is lying regarding the current Senate and House bills and has no intention of negotiating in good faith.

Posted by: st50taw | January 31, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Charlie Brown, just try to kick the football one more time. I swear I won't move it like the last 267 times. This time will be different.

Posted by: Alsatian1 | January 31, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

sarlat wrote:
kwoods has it right. Pass the Senate version, then modify it with reconciliation. Do it now do it fast. The health care package is in effect a stimulus package, but it is not enought. Get beyond this to passing legislation that leads to the most employment growth possible. This is were we can include republicans. Business payroll tax cuts, etc.
___________________________________________________
sarlat,
Nice try, rotten lie! Don't put Pelosi's rotten words into my mouth. This is nothing but an HC deform insurance scam and Planned Parenthood bailout, and you know it. Shame on you for even suggesting such a thing!

Your posting is a pattern of behavior by the Planned Parenthood crowd who knows the American people have rejected this and are trying desperately to steam roll it though anyway.

Posted by: kwoods2 | January 31, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

If the Republicans had actually proposed "common sense" proposals that, if included in a Health Care Bill, they WOULD support the bill, it might be worth it, but notice that there is no such offer.

Boehners"Common Sense" proposals are shear Voodoo Economics, grant tax breaks to permit people to be able to afford insurance, which of course only allows the particularly well off to afford Health Care, because even if all your health care would cost were $4k a year, (and if you can find it that cheap at any age you are very lucky) you would still need to make more than $150k a year to save enough on taxes to cover your expenses.

His only other proposal, "Tort Reform" wouldn't significantly effect health care costs at all, just make Insurance Companies more profitable.

Beyond that neither he, nor any other Republican has actually made any positive offer at all, just "Thou Shalt Not Do, or Cover, or Tax, this.".

Obama needs to spend whatever capitol it costs to get 218 votes for the Senate bill to get it through the House as passed. He can promise, and mostly deliver, all the Additions, Amendments, codicils, agreements, and necessary pork he needs to to begin warping the Health Care Bill of 2010 to the actual desires of the leftmost 60% of the electorate. In fact it gives him campaign fodder for 2010 and 2012.

So convince him, and 218 Reps, to pass the Senate bill as is and move on.

It ain't particularly what we want, but it5 is a dd sight better than what we have.

Posted by: ceflynline | January 31, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

It's an interesting juxtaposition: Leader Reid and Speaker Pelosi remain huddled behind closed doors on the same day that the TARP inspector general releases a report saying that our economy is teetering on a second dip.
I know, it's tough choice: Force the tainted reform package on an angry public, or work to avoid a cataclysmic double dip.

Posted by: mtpeaks | January 31, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

In related news, Coach Sean Payton urged the Indianapolis Colts to start QB Curtis Painter in lieu of Peyton Manning in Super Bowl XLIV.

Posted by: AxelDC | January 31, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

The Planned Parenthood bailout bill

During a meeting of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee Sen. Barbara Mikulski admitted that Planned Parenthood was slated for "essential community provider" status.

"Planned Parenthood has boasted of personal meetings with White House staff on securing abortion coverage and subsidies to abortion providers as 'essential community providers.'"

The bill requirement is that all insurance providers contract with "essential community providers".

"In other words, all health insurance companies will be compelled by the HC deform insurance scam "to contract with abortion clinics or simply not be certified to do business,'"

Posted by: kwoods2 | January 31, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

kwoods has it right. Pass the Senate version, then modify it with reconciliation. Do it now do it fast. The health care package is in effect a stimulus package, but it is not enought. Get beyond this to passing legislation that leads to the most employment growth possible. This is were we can include republicans. Business payroll tax cuts, etc.

Posted by: sarlat | January 31, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Republicans like to blab about "the American people" and "this great country of ours" and whatever other platitudes get the hillbillies excited, but the truth is they don't care about health care reform. They don't care about reducing unemployment. They don't care about small business owners.

THEY JUST CARE ABOUT RETURNING TO POWER.

Why can you rednecks not understand this?

Posted by: menaman | January 31, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Let anyone 60 or older who has the minimum quarters paid into Medicare, enroll.

Let those 59 and younger buy into Medicaid at the state's cost (`43%).

The rest of Americans can buy what ever they want - either on the open market or through their employees - or pay as they go.

No mandates and no free rides at the ER. Either you present your policy number or you present your wallet. If you have neither, then you're on your own.

Unless EVERYONE pays, any program will fail.

Posted by: asmith1 | January 31, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Write your congressman/congresswoman now.
Too many idiots posting on this site now just follow the party line and do not know what is in the Senate and House bills.
Getting enough comments to this sorry legislative body will force them to act on the will of the majority, (hopefully).
Just don't hold your breath in thinking that they are going to follow your wishes!

Posted by: SeniorVet | January 31, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Just sorta mention these items.

The Wars we are fighting are costing over $1.4 trillion a year.

The last president to get the Government to reduce energy and the public to also go along to reduce energy costs was a guy named Carter. Obama like Carter is headed for one term and out.

Posted by: KBlit | January 31, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

One special election doesn't give the republicans a majority or the right to demand shi.
Fthe republicans.

Posted by: jeffc6578 | January 31, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Restart talking now and keep talking until GOP comes back to power - that's the whole Republican idea here.

Posted by: ExpressReader | January 31, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"Reid also has agreed to bypass Senate cloture and filibuster rules and claim that these modifications fall under 'reconciliation' and don’t require 60 Senate votes.

To pass the fixes, he won’t need one Republican; he won’t even need Joe Lieberman or wavering Democrats such as Jim Webb of Virginia.

His 52 pledged senators give him a simple majority to pass any changes they want, which will later be rubberstamped by Pelosi’s House and signed by Obama.

This plan, of course, is a total subversion of the legislative process."

Posted by: kwoods2 | January 31, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Barry the incompetent boob Obama talks bipartisanship well let's see Barry and Harry the horse's asp Reid put his money where his mouth is.

Reid still has 275 days left before he gets voted out of office on November the 2nd.

Miserable failure Obama.

Posted by: screwjob2 | January 31, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

If Obama REALLY was concerned about health care, he would not be sitting on his duff and making speech after speech warning Iran of "consequences" for illegally racing to developing a nuclear arsenal. What is it WITH this guy, is he OBLIVIOUS to this CRITICAL issue? Or is he sympathetic to Iran? Ever the mouthpiece, Obama gave Iran a September deadline. That shifted and still, he mouths words. Iran, naturally, has his number and has no fear whatsoever of him since he won't act militarily. He'll "reach out." Great. Barack, the BEST way to be concerned about the HEALTH of Americans is to prevent them from being on the RECEIVING end of Islamist radiological bombs that will likely be exploding in American and EU cities in the near future, courtesy of Iranian proxy terrorists. ONLY MILITARY MUSCLE has ANY chance of halting this and John Bolton was absolutely right about this. BTW, thanks for abandoning Israel who will be going it alone, faced with annihilation. Only 6% of Israelis now trust you, you sure know how to destroy an "ally." But America needs Israel more than the other way around actually. A non-nuclear armed Iran=American health care...

Posted by: marat1 | January 31, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Let the Grand OLD Party-ers filibuster—and televise it. That’ll show the country the caliber of morons they send to our fair city and why badly needed legislation is stalled and by whom.

To have Scott Brown say that the majority leaders should “heed the concerns he heard directly from Massachusetts voters” is disingenuous. Massachusetts already insures 98% of its citizens thanks to previous Democratic administrations---they don’t need health care reform as much as the rest of us. I’m disappointed that Shailagh Murray didn’t ask him about that.

REpubliCANTS can’t produce original thought or adapt to real life: Who in their right mind attends a meeting in Hawaii in a black cowboy hat, suede jacket & cowboy boots? According to today’s WashPost, another RepubliCANT nicknamed “Dick”: Dick Armey. Clearly the RepubliCANTs don’t perceive reality: they are the minority.

RepubliCANTs are lucky to have a President that is willing to incorporate any good idea into his proposals and should recognize that President Obama’s health bill already includes some ideas offered by thoughtful Republicans. If RepubliCANTs can’t do what’s best for the country they should be free to showcase their thinking with a filibuster that we can all see.

If RepubliCANTs believe government involvement in health care is so terrible, they should act on their belief and outlaw Medicare and Medicaid in their own states. Otherwise they should apologize to the country for their obstructionism and start collaborating.

Posted by: ViewfromDC | January 31, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"Senate Democrats will go to the House with a two-part deal.

First, the House will pass the Senate’s Obamacare bill that passed the Senate in December. The House leadership will vote on the Senate bill, and Pelosi will allow no amendments or modifications to the Senate bill."

"Behind closed doors, Reid and Pelosi have agreed in principle that changes to the Senate bill will be made to satisfy liberal House members — but only after the Senate bill is passed and signed into law by Obama."

"This deal will be secured by a pledge from Reid and the Senate’s Democratic caucus that they will make “fixes” to the Senate bill after it becomes law...."

Posted by: kwoods2 | January 31, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

The attempt by the president to get bi-partisan support for health-care reform motivated Democrats to "compromise" away most improvements to health-care. Right-wing Democrats and Sen. Lieberman heaped dirt on what came to be called "the president's plan" even though the 2,000+ page bill originated completely in Congress. Mitch McConnell, of course, is completely against any change whatsoever because Americans may fall in love with a better system and thank Democrats for that and because health insurance companies and drug companies may have to get accustomed to reduced revenues. The recent unpleasantness in Massachusetts doesn't mean reform is dead. It simply means it is frozen in the state that the Senate left it in. Actually, any reform that doesn't kill health insurance companies and get drug companies to play ball is not going to help Americans afford health-care. Of course that might entail a wholesale government takeover of health-care, complete with death panels. I'm for death panels. You vote Republican? No health-care for you.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | January 31, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

never never one year for nothing--REp. are idiots

Posted by: alaaaa | January 31, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

If that's true then I wonder what that makes people who support a bill created behind closed doors. A bill that forces 48 states to pay their share plus the other 2 states part. A bill that the DEMS refuse to post on line AS PROMISED so the people can view it. A bill that releases unions from enrolling and forces EVERYONE to purchase healthcare or pay fines with possible jail time????? I don't think we even have a word in our language to describe you m0rons. But keep making yourself look like te uneducated rube you are. LOL I guess you can't fix stup1d.

Posted by: askgees | January 31, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

And if Democrats actually grow a pair and pass healthcare what will the big bad Republicans do, lie some more? refuse to vote yes on anything? run Sarah "I'm a Moose Hand Me Some Lipstick" Palin for President? Take this slogan from Clint Eastwood and paste it on your pasty arses: go ahead and make my day. Democrats, grow a spine and pass healthcare!! The economy is slowly but surely getting better, troops will be out of Iraq in August, and the teabaggers will be holding conventions where they throw money at Republican demagogues in shiny suits who look like the keepers of the crypt.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | January 31, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kwoods2 | January 31, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

If anyone wants to know why America has become a third world country they just need to read the comments here. I don't think I've ever seen this many id1ot's in one location in my life. Opp's I was wrong I forgot to take into consideration the DEM Congress. I cannot believe how many uneducated 20 something's there are here and just how f$%king ignorant they are. They don't seem to have a clue what's going on. The ironic part is, it's them that will have to pay for it and will be affected by it the most. LOL Good luck working until you're 100.. FOOLS

Posted by: askgees | January 31, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans idea of Health Care is to start a new war. They don't care about the American people ... all they're interested in is finding a new lobbyist. Why does Browns win in Massachusetts change very much ? He's Pro Choice, he already voted for a health care plan for his state, he's a Democratic at heart. The Republican party is still in the mud hole throwing slime. What else in new ?

Posted by: wasaUFO | January 31, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

never never one year for nothing--REp. are idiots

Posted by: alaaaa | January 31, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

never never one year for nothing--REp. are idiots

Posted by: alaaaa | January 31, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

The GOP want to undo what has already been accomplished.

Why?

Because the insurance industry is pumping money into the GOP's campaign coffers to keep ANY health care reform from occurring.

BUT the Republicans Senators and Congressional Representatives have gold-plated health care for themselves and their families. So, why should they care about you or me?

The GOP lacks compassion for those less fortunate than themselves or their "masters."

Who are their "masters?"

The insurance industry, the corporations, Wall St., etc. -- all those who contribute huge sums to their campaign coffers.

Since we cannot contribute the same amount of money why would they care about you or me?

The average citizen who has to worry about whether he still has a job, whether he can afford to feed his family, etc., is SOL.

Sadly, the GOP will probably get their way.

Posted by: abbydelabbey | January 31, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

This is a surprise? They still see the world through partisan colored glasses. The bill has been out there for a year, why not offer changes? Why not offer a bill of their own? The biggest and most imporant question is, why let politics stand in the way of health for over 30 Million Americans?

Posted by: MayorEd | January 31, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Nothing is standing in the way of any of these people from getting insurance Unless you we're saying that they are sitting on their @zzes collecting welfare/unemployment and waiting for another handout. I just wanted to be clear. Might I also suggest keeping up on the world around you. If you do you won't look so stup1d when posting.

Posted by: askgees | January 31, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

hmmmmmmm................ after 8 months of doing eveything they possibly could to derail the process, and with the same compostition of congress in which republicons are a tiny minority, they suddenly are interested in offering ideas and want to take more time? Why does this come off as somehow...shall we say insincere? The ONLY question is whether Democrtas are willing to play Charlie Brown to the republicons Lucy yet again. Pass it without republicons support. Then republicons get none of the benefits of having done the most important domestic legislation in a generation.

Posted by: John1263 | January 31, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

archinmo1
Nothing you said made sense except your stupidity and hatred for people.


Posted by: WilliamBlake | January 31, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Most of the reason this bill hasn't took off is because of GOP lies and myths. Now they want to scrap the entire bill. I know what I would them, the word their used to, NO.

Posted by: shipfreakbo214 | January 31, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: demtse | January 31, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse


In regards to your ridiculous post. I guess that leaves one group seeking free Gov healthcare. The 20 something broke, probably won't be able to find a job when they graduate college (good luck paying off those loans) who have absolutely no faith in their selves and need a parent (Government) to take care of them. Basically the same id1ot's that gave us Odumbo. Of course the 45 plus crowd (your parents) is against the bill because we we're hard working self sufficient individuals capable of preparing our selves for the future We see no reason to pay more in taxes so the worthless POS like you can coast through life. Maybe one day you'll figure this out and then become an adult. Health insurance is a luxury. If you need to work a second job to pay for then that's what you have to do. Oh, my fault I talking to the free loader generation. I guess you're 5hit out of luck. America is free and with freedom comes responsibility If you need someone to take care of you might I suggest Canada or France. Keep in mind though that both have a 25% higher mortality rate. I guess you're screwed no matter what you choose. Or you can put on your big boy pants and step up.

There s no such thing as FREE.

Posted by: askgees | January 31, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans have offered many changes. The Democrats have shut them out at EVERY turn. Why do you think Harry Reid has held all his meetings regarding revisions behind closed doors with many Democrats excluded too? Get a grip and educate yourself before making obviously nonfactual remarks.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | January 31, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Pass the Bill!

If not now, when?

Or is that the real strategy for the Party of NO?

Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | January 31, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

This is a surprise? They still see the world through partisan colored glasses. The bill has been out there for a year, why not offer changes? Why not offer a bill of their own? The biggest and most imporant question is, why let politics stand in the way of health for over 30 Million Americans?

Posted by: MayorEd | January 31, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

frankn1 -
I am sure you an get 100% behind this Republican Plan for the Public Option.

And we all pay for it ourselves, out of our taxes.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2009/September/03/nixon-proposal.aspx

Posted by: WilliamBlake | January 31, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

here I am, starting over.

MEDICARE SHALL BE EXTENDED TO ALL CITIZENS, from pre-natal care onward, as an optional opportunity.

10 levels of tiered pricing, based on age and income.

Posted by: ottothewise | January 31, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse


So now the clows want a bipartisan approach? Hello? Was there not a bipartisan group -- the gang of Six (Five?)-- supposed to explore it during the Spring/Summer 2009?

What's the matter, GOP? Are you worried that your obstructionism is actually going to hurt you in November? Especially when you actually allowed cameras to roll when the Prez handed you your collective butt?

Posted by: Gatsby10 | January 31, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!!! Yea that's it. Or perhaps it's because the bill/law would never stand up to Constitutional scrutiny. Sweet heart deals like forcing 48 states to pay for Nebraska and Louisiana are illegal so the bills dead in the water. 60% of the US doesn't trust this DEM Congress or this bill. It's only the 40% of dead beats like you that whine. Why??? because you cannot take care of yourself and beg Uncle Sam to. My guess is you have 2 options. Stand on your own two feet or die. Because we will not baby sit you losers any longer.

Posted by: askgees | January 31, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

You mean drag it out until October just before the 2010 elections.

Posted by: AMQ1 | January 31, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe the republicans in their hearts want meaningful health care reform. I believe they want to trim the edges and appear like they want reform to look sympathetic, but they will be careful not to step on the toes of the insurance industry. However, Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu et al. killed the chances of the democratic health plan passing by playing congressional money free for all that was distasteful to everyone. We will wind up much further away from universal coverage and have less cost control but I don't think the dems should steamroller the health care bill at this point. It's much too unpopular. President Obama should restart the health care bill with bipartisan support and insist it be passed within the year. The repubs won the battle of politics at the expense of the people, but we should wind up with something to improve the budget busting trajectory of the present system. It could have been much better. Lobbyists, corporate special interests and campaign financing are the real impediments to solving middle class issues.

Posted by: citizen4truth1 | January 31, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse


There are two core groups of people who oppose healthcare reform, with the same basic agenda – KILL HEALTHCARE REFORM IN THE CRADLE. The first group is composed of primarily white birthers/deathers/teabaggers types (45 years of age and greater). These people are poorly and marginally educated, live a middleclass and poor socio-economic existence and receive Medicare and Medicaid healthcare from the US government. Their median household income is far less than $250,000.00 per year, and would stand to gain far more from healthcare reform, than they would under the current system. Many consider themselves to be hard workers who believe they are entitled to receive “socialized” forms of “government run” healthcare, as result of the sweat of their brow. They believe Medicare and Medicaid are for those who have paid into the system and believe they are being asked to support those who did no pay into the system. They are also opposed to healthcare reform for the simple and basic reason, that it will allow a larger number of non-white people, who they deem unworthy, to receive the same level of healthcare as whites.

The second group in composed of the wealthy elites who believe healthcare reform will put an undue burden on them in the form of higher taxes. They believe Medicare and Medicaid are for those who have paid into the system with the sweat of their brow, and believe they are being asked to support those who did no pay into the system. Although they can afford healthcare outside of Medicaid and Medicare, they still want to participate in these programs because they save money by doing so. They believe that those who are not eligible for Medicare and Medicaid should pay for the healthcare out of their own pockets or if employed, use employer-provide healthcare plans. This group also consists of the major insurance, pharmaceutical, and medical community along with their lobbyists who see healthcare reform as the death knell to their ever-increasing profits and their very existence. Both groups believe in “socialized” healthcare, but only for those they believe have earned the right to receive it. Both groups are locked in a deadly embrace to kill healthcare reform at any and all cost, to themselves and America. Above all, hangs the dark cloud of white supremacy, like an ominous thunderhead. In the words of that Billie Holliday song “God Bless the Child That’s Got His Own”, Them that's got shall get, Them that's not shall lose.


Posted by: demtse | January 31, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

So now the clows want a bipartisan approach? Hello? Was there not a bipartisan group -- the gang of Six (Five?)-- supposed to explore it during the Spring/Summer 2009?

What's the matter, GOP? Are you worried that your obstructionism is actually going to hurt you in November? Especially when you actually allowed cameras to roll when the Prez handed you your collective butt?

Posted by: Gatsby10 | January 31, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

So now the clows want a bipartisan approach? Hello? Was there not a bipartisan group -- the gang of Six (Five?)-- supposed to explore it during the Spring/Summer 2009?

What's the matter, GOP? Are you worried that your obstructionism is actually going to hurt you in November? Especially when you actually allowed cameras to roll when the Prez handed you your collective butt?

Posted by: Gatsby10 | January 31, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Democrats better not listen to those idiots!

Posted by: dove369 | January 31, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Health care reform means just that.

These clowns in Washington are doing absolutely nothing to REFORM Health Care. They are, like everything else they get their hands on, SCREWING up the process.

We need to start over, take care of the "VERY" needy, institute controls over the insurance companies, allow tort reform, open up the process so ins companies can sell across state lines, NO pre-existing clauses etc.

The competition will take care of the high premium rates and the amount of coverage. The gubberment is just muddying the waters.

Oh yea, if you want insurance PAY FOR IT YOURSELF, again except for the very needy.

Posted by: frankn1 | January 31, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Why scrap the bill? Congressional republicans told Obama they agreed with 80% of the bill soo what is the point of starting over?

Posted by: knjincvc | January 31, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

DON'T DO IT DEMS!

If the GOP had not spent all of last year trying to obstruct and destroy these efforts there would be no need to scrap the bill.

If the GOP is now willing to act and behave like 'adults" in a bi-partisan fashion and meet you halfway in cleaning the up the final bill, then let's see what they have to offer. Otherwise, keep moving forward on your own.

But, do NOT scrap a whole years worth of work for the fact that it will be a waste of taxpayer money.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | January 31, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

There are two core groups of people who oppose healthcare reform, with the same basic agenda – KILL HEALTHCARE REFORM IN THE CRADLE. The first group is composed of primarily white birthers/deathers/teabaggers types (45 years of age and greater). These people are poorly and marginally educated, live a middleclass and poor socio-economic existence and receive Medicare and Medicaid healthcare from the US government. Their median household income is far less than $250,000.00 per year, and would stand to gain far more from healthcare reform, than they would under the current system. Many consider themselves to be hard workers who believe they are entitled to receive “socialized” forms of “government run” healthcare, as result of the sweat of their brow. They believe Medicare and Medicaid are for those who have paid into the system and believe they are being asked to support those who did no pay into the system. They are also opposed to healthcare reform for the simple and basic reason, that it will allow a larger number of non-white people, who they deem unworthy, to receive the same level of healthcare as whites.

The second group in composed of the wealthy elites who believe healthcare reform will put an undue burden on them in the form of higher taxes. They believe Medicare and Medicaid are for those who have paid into the system with the sweat of their brow, and believe they are being asked to support those who did no pay into the system. Although they can afford healthcare outside of Medicaid and Medicare, they still want to participate in these programs because they save money by doing so. They believe that those who are not eligible for Medicare and Medicaid should pay for the healthcare out of their own pockets or if employed, use employer-provide healthcare plans. This group also consists of the major insurance, pharmaceutical, and medical community along with their lobbyists who see healthcare reform as the death knell to their ever-increasing profits and their very existence. Both groups believe in “socialized” healthcare, but only for those they believe have earned the right to receive it. Both groups are locked in a deadly embrace to kill healthcare reform at any and all cost, to themselves and America. Above all, hangs the dark cloud of white supremacy, like an ominous thunderhead. In the words of that Billie Holliday song “God Bless the Child That’s Got His Own”, Them that's got shall get, Them that's not shall lose.


Posted by: demtse | January 31, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

This is the REPUBLICAN Health Insurance Plan-
Let the Republicans submit this bill- its already worked out in all details-

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2009/September/03/nixon-proposal.aspx

I think we all agree that anyone who cannot support this plan does not belong in the Republican Party?

Posted by: WilliamBlake | January 31, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Health care reform means just that.

These clowns in Washington are doing absolutely nothing to REFORM Health Care. They are, like everything else they get their hands on, SCREWING up the process.

We need to start over, take care of the "VERY" needy, institute controls over the insurance companies, allow tort reform, open up the process so ins companies can sell across state lines, NO pre-existing clauses etc.

The competition will take care of the high premium rates and the amount of coverage. The gubberment is just muddying the waters.

Oh yea, if you want insurance PAY FOR IT YOURSELF, again except for the very needy.

Posted by: frankn1 | January 31, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The Senate, House and White House had apparently reached an agreement last week. Pass it now!! The Republicans had an entire year for bipartisan negotiations and they stood down, preferring to angle for Obama's Waterloo. There is absolutely no good reason to begin the process anew -- and there are many good reasons (count them: federal budget, state budgets, family budgets, small business budgets, individual citizen needs) to PASS COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH CARE REFORM NOW!

Posted by: zed1 | January 31, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The minority rules, only in America. Thank you Obama, you resurrected and gave credibility to this moribund party because you silly 'bipartisan' chimera.When you have power you use it or lose it and you just lost it for good. Obama put in Baucus and his friend Grassly to produce a 'bipartisan' health bill and both gave him the finger.

Posted by: bluelagoon21 | January 31, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"To those that blame the Republicans for the failure of the healthcare bill: Please explain how, with a Democratic House, Senate and President, (AKA Super Majority)they could not get this bill passed?

Certainly it could have passed without a single Republican vote. It didn't. Why?"

Posted by: snowy2

Good try, snowy2, but no cigar! A health bill passed the House, and a health bill passed the Senate. The problem was that the two bills were different. Under our democracy, the two bills then had to be reconciled, and the House and the Senate were beginning that process when . . . the Senate Democrats lost their filibuster-proof majority. Because the reconciled health bill, once again, would have to be passed by both houses of Congress, everyone knows that any bill now supported by the Democrats will not pass the Senate because of Scott Brown, the newly-elected senator from MA -- a Republican.

So now, Democrats are trying the develop strategies to get a health bill passed, while Republicans are trying to become included in the discussion. It will be interesting to see what their contributions will be.

Posted by: marmac5 | January 31, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

The GOP has no right to call for bipartisanship - the Dems have tried and the GOP has rebuffed them constantly. I'll believe they want to work with the Dems when I see it - until then, I don't buy it.

Posted by: ravensfan20008 | January 31, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

If dems insist on ramrodding this tainted legislation through, then everything Mr. Obama told house repubs and the nation on Friday was false.
And it makes this moderate dem even angrier to learn that Reid and Pelosi are still huddling behind closed doors trying to pass reform, instead of fixing the economy. It just shows how out of touch they've grown.
Repubs have offered to negotiate. Do it, and carry it on C-Span. Then the American public will have the insight into who is truly being faithful to their interests.
And who knows, it just might produce something worthwhile.

Posted by: mtpeaks | January 31, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I want a high common marginal tax rate with all health care cost exempted from taxation (along with educational costs and unlimited savings). That way I would be completely in control, and responsible for my health care. Anything wrong with that? The high MARGINAL tax rate would represent both a true measure of the cost of government, but would also be the share of everybody's health care costs, including isurance, that is being offset by a reduction in taxes paid. Anything wrong with that? Be assured, that rate would be at least 33% for everybody. 1/3 of your health care cost offset by reduced taxes to pay. And if the exemptions.. a high personal amount for every member of your household, plus anything you spend on education and everything you add to savings exceeds your total income, which for our neediest would be the case, then applying that high rate to the deficit would be what assistance they get from the government. Anything wrong with that? You, dear reader, have been challenged to tell me why this plan, instead of a bureaucratic nightmare like Obama care, and/or our present tax code, would not be better for us all. Anything wrong with that?

Posted by: archinmo1 | January 31, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

How much more clear can the American people make it that we don't want ObamaCare?

So the Democrats are going to legislate against the will of the people?

Each one that does will be voted out of office.

Posted by: thinker16 | January 31, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Two kinds of people want this bill killed.

Those who don't want health care, and those who do.

Because this bill effectively kills the opportunity to have MEANINGFUL change in our health care system that makes health care affordable for all Americans.

Those who say a flawed bill is better than nothing are delusional. A trillion dollars is too much to pay for a bill that further entrenches and supports the status quo.

We're going to get some kind of health care legislation. The only question is what kind. To accept this extremely flawed bill is a bad move.

Posted by: postfan1 | January 31, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

When reading all these posts you can see the political party lines drawn. First off, it's small business that will lead the way. It's 99% of the business pie. Tax breaks for small business doesn't cost or waste money and jobs will increase and or layoffs will slow down. But it's hard to get big political donations or block votes, like with a union from them that's whey they are ignored. For health care we can change things without being drastic. Those changes will begin to make a difference and you can work from there. The last thing we need to do is saddle the country with a new government department that will suck us dry with pensions and all the red tape inefficiencies we experience from other federal beaurocracies.

Posted by: levendiman | January 31, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

The minority rules, only in America. Thank you Obama, you resurrected and gave credibility to this moribund party because you silly 'bipartisan' chimera.When you have power you use it or lose it and you just lost it for good.

Posted by: bluelagoon21 | January 31, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"Monday nothing, Tuesday nothing, Wednesday, Thursday, nothing." Just like the old song from the Fugs, Republicans want nothing, nothing, nothing to pass. Opps, except another war, more debt, or tax cuts for the rich.

Posted by: chucky-el | January 31, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

To those that blame the Republicans for the failure of the healthcare bill: Please explain how, with a Democratic House, Senate and President, (AKA Super Majority)they could not get this bill passed?

Certainly it could have passed without a single Republican vote. It didn't. Why?

Posted by: snowy2 | January 31, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Tax cuts for the rich just means they invest in expanding overseas and and hire more chinese or indians.
Tax cuts means less work for Americans. Tax cuts frees money for our rivals to expand. We should raise Tarriffs at the least.
And why not Triple the taxes across the board for the wealthy, and do it again in 6 months. The worst that can happen is some Chinese get laid off. And we can use the money for the government to invest in America.

Posted by: WilliamBlake | January 31, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Most of the critical differences between the House and Senate versions are on fiscal issues. Those can be handled by a reconciliation bill that can't be filibustered in the Senate. Work out the bill, let the House pass the Senate version and both houses pass the reconciliation bill amending the Senate bill.

There will be plenty of time to fix things over the years, but we need to get started.

Posted by: StanKlein | January 31, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"Furthermore, funding restrictions save lives by reducing the number of abortions. The Guttmacher Policy Review, a leading pro-choice research organization noted that about one third of women who would have had an abortion if support were available carried their pregnancies to term when the abortion fund was unavailable."

Posted by: kwoods2 | January 31, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Time for the people to stand up to the republicans. Call your senator and representatives. Tell them you want reconciliation..

They can fix the garbage parts later. But if we let the republicans successfully obstruct the process, they will obviously put off reform until the health care system completely collapses.

At which point, you can kiss Medicare and subsidized medicine goodbye.

There goal isn't to just kill this reform but to kill it all...

These are the same people who lied to us about Iraq!

They are not to be trusted.

Posted by: onifadee | January 31, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Jaggedadze. Bring the bill to a vote and let the Repubs filibuster 24/7. Let's see how that plays outside the beltway.

Posted by: yeswecan3 | January 31, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

What U.S. Citizens in a right sane mind would push to CUT TAXES on the already $RICH,- to create JOBS!!?? - Absolute INSANITY LORD! - Bush drastically Cut Taxes on the Elitist $Wealthy,- and it created "ZILCH-Livable-Wage-JOBS"!! It was proven under BUSH, that cutting Taxes on the $Rich, only makes the Filthy $Rich- $RICHER!! No Jobs- period! - Clinton had plans in place to Erase the National Debt to Zero by 2012. - And BUSH ruined America by cutting Taxes on the $Rich. LOOK waht happened America. - $15-TRILLION in DEBT,- AND nO jOBS!! This Proves that curring Taxes on the Rich, only makes the already Filthjy $Rich- RICHER. It is time that America takes back some of waht has been stolen from us by the Elitist Do-Nothings. And Quad-ruple the Taxes on the top 10% until the National Debt is PAID-OFF. And prosecute the $BANKsters, Bush, Paulson, Greenspan, and globalist 'turn-coat' bunch whom created the Economic CRISIS!! WE-the-People need to take Our Nation back from the Traitor Elitist DO-NOTHINGS!!

Posted by: jward52 | January 31, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

However, the only man, whom the entire country consider to be the most capable one to implement the health reform-Howard Dean, was not invited to do it. And McCain lately voiced his agreement with Howard Dean on many points. If heavy swindlers on whom our president seems so easily to rely, or to be one of them, let more honest people to do the job, maybe it would be accomplished. Of course, everything should be started from scratch.

Posted by: aepelbaum | January 31, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

According to the extreme leftist liberals, this entire health care overhaul should be done for one reason and one reason only which is to mandate that taxpayers pay for baby extermination, and if the health care bill doesn't do that, they don't want any health care reform for Americans.


"But her group's position, she said, is that 'we would rather have no health care (overhaul) than a vicious abortion law.'" (Terry O'Neill of the National Organization for Women)

Posted by: kwoods2 | January 31, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh my. Not this drivel about those "greedy Republicans that represent the rich insurance and health care companies." Let's skip the idealism and get straight to the facts: the cost of health care. You want to add 30m people and remove the extra costs for preexisting conditions? That's not free. You need a source of revenue. Where does the current Senate bill get a sizable chunk of money from? Cadillac health plans. Who proposed that? Republicans. Why should it work? Because it cuts off health care spending at the point where you get decreasing marginal utility. Look, this tax is actually supported by economics!

Who's against it? Union leaders and their Democrat puppets in Congress. But wait, they're not against ALL of tax - they just want exemptions for union employees. Which, of course, defeats the economic rationale behind the Cadillac plan tax.

Oh, and whatever happened to malpractice reform? Gone, forever quashed by Obama and the Democrats in Congress. Instead of capping tort awards, the government is spending a paltry $25m to "enhance communication between patients and doctors." That's not malpractice reform. That's medical school. So if you're still whining that the Republicans represent the rich, then I guess the Democrats would be the champions of lawyers and union leaders, eh?

Posted by: shivaryx | January 31, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Some have argued that the gulf that exist between the Democrates and Republicans is rooted in political differences, but the reality is that the Repubicans are fighting to keep things as they were when they were in charge of running the country...and that means it's all about the "MONEY".

Its always been about the money. These so-call cutural differences that the talking-heads rave about is but a rouse or diversion to occupy and distract the voters from what the conservatives are truely up to...and that's making more money off the backs of the working class, regardless of who gets left out.

Posted by: Larr1 | January 31, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Negotiating with the GOP over health care reform is tantamount to a fox negotiating the security of a hen house...


Posted by: demtse | January 31, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Percentage change in tax rate for the lowest tax bracket; 33% (15% to 10%)

Percentage change in tax rate for the top bracket: 10% (39.5% to 35%)

40% of people filing tax returns pay an average zero OR LESS in individual income taxes.

Posted by: etronsen | January 31, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse


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Posted by: thomasxstewart1 | January 31, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Negotiating with the GOP over health care reform is tantamount to a fox negotiating the security of a hen house...


Posted by: demtse | January 31, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse


DON'T DO IT!!! PASS HEALTH CARE REFORM NOW!!!
DON'T DO IT!!! PASS HEALTH CARE REFORM NOW!!!
DON'T DO IT!!! PASS HEALTH CARE REFORM NOW!!!
DON'T DO IT!!! PASS HEALTH CARE REFORM NOW!!!
DON'T DO IT!!! PASS HEALTH CARE REFORM NOW!!! THE GOP WANTS TO KILL HEALTH CARE REFORM!!!


Posted by: demtse | January 31, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I watched the Baltimore event in its entirety. The repubs want credit for the ideas that are already in the bill that they have already voted for...such as interstate insurance sales. Are they individually as dumb as they portray themselves are aer just playing to a stupid and selfish base. I actually think it is the later. They can't get elected by cooperating in an effort to make a better America. They would become unelectable in their own districts.

Posted by: RoyFan | January 31, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"Obama, a senator at the time, told attendees at the Planned Parenthood Action Fund event that he intended to include abortion in the public health insurance option, and require such coverage by private insurers."

"In addition, Obama stated that 'it is important for organizations like Planned Parenthood to be part of that system.'"

Posted by: kwoods2 | January 31, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

The Party of NO, right-wing, necon, conservative, Republican continues to say NO. They repeat rhetoric over and over again. The forget what happened under their watch and have enacted far right-wing agenda with less votes under their watch, yet they try now to make this a LAME DUCK Presidency. They refuse to work with this Administration and the People will lose because really saying NO to everything is working with their base. They then act as if the Republicans who did win office is far right. Very strange. Who will report the truth about the Republicans who were voted in the last three elections. Virginia for year alternate which should be questioned also.

Posted by: GAPRDDESC | January 31, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

The republicans want to scap the bill? I'm sure they do. They did not want any health care reform to begin with. Unfortunately the clowns in the democratic party could not pass a bill with majorities in both houses and a fillibuster proof majority in the senate. I guess we will continue with a second rate health care system. The germans, japanese, french, and every other advanced country has decent health care and government run systems but we are stuck with the crap they provide in places like Alabama.

Posted by: orange3 | January 31, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"Smith noted that a study by the Planned Parenthood's Guttmacher Institute showed that the widened availability of abortion through government funding increases the number of unborn children killed by 20%-35%."

Posted by: kwoods2 | January 31, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

When the GOP was in power when ,tell me, did they ever have the Dems write a bill when they had the majority. Do they not remember they lost the election? Do they not remember when they had the keys to the country they drove it into a ditch? Now we want to trust them again? Are Americans that stupid. They knew the economy was tanking two years before it happened. Where the hell was Paulson? Did he not see the signs. We know Bush and McCain did not as they said the economy was essentially sound just weeks before it crashed. How do they have the nerve to even suggest this. We have enough of the bill written that they can have input to it but for Gods sake MR PRESIDENT do not let them push you around. They are not the MAJORITY PARTY. Act now and keep them on the offense. Do not let them set the agenda. They are not your friends and do you think if the tables were turned the Demns could ever demand such a thing. NO you know that and they know that...please do not fall into this trap.

Posted by: patisok | January 31, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Why was the requirement for taxpayers to be mandated to pay for genocide of the unborn ever included in the HC deform insurance scam?

Oh, how silly of me, "In a July 2007 speech at a Planned Parenthood fundraiser, Obama firmly pledged that his plans for a government-run insurance option would cover abortions as 'essential' care, and that abortion was 'at the heart, and at the center of' his health care reform."

Posted by: kwoods2 | January 31, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Shailagh Murray is dead wrong when she writes that the use of "reconciliation" is "a highly unusual and risky manuever". In fact the Bush administration used that manuever numerous times, including to pass it's tax cuts for the rich.

This is the sort of twisted, dishonest reporting that has brought the Washington Post so far down that it resembles Fox News now. It's both sad and infuriating.

Posted by: sbgoldrick | January 31, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

After all the rhetoric that I've heard over the last few months, I'm afraid I would be inclined to think that the Republican's motivations are simply fiscal, staged for political gain only. And probably driven by big pharma and big insurance.
So sad.
They've always been successful in killing health care reform in the past. One wonders if maybe the Dems are coming too close to getting the job done.

Posted by: aorj | January 31, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

In his first year, Obama "had to do the simplest but hardest thing in politics: recognize problems, persuade the public of their reality, solve them and show the results. Understanding this, the Republicans had a ready answer all year: obstruct him (and the country) from achieving anything. Refuse to cooperate with him, and then accuse him of partisanship. Stop all his initiatives and then brand him as ineffective. Prevent improvement in people's lives, and then point out that their lives are still unimproved."
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20100215/schell

The most shocking thing is that the Republicans don't care that by blocking Obama's iitiatives they are guaranteeing the at a long and painful recession becomes a longer and even more painful recession.

T h e y d o n o t c a r e.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | January 31, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Let me put it this way:

"Of course they want to shelve it. They represent the rich insurance and health care companies. Not the hurting people. They don't care if you don't have insurance because you've been excluded due to a pre-existing condition or if you've lost your job because of a serious illness your employer or insurance company doesn't want to cover. Besides, they have Cadillac health care subsidized by the government. The Senate even has its own doctor on site."

Thanks, tinyjab. Was going to comment but can't say it better than you did.

I don't know about you, but when I voted for Dems last year I certainly intended to vote for health care reform.

I didn't vote for a Republican watered-down version and by my vote I most certainly did NOT intend to imply that what I was voting for should be subject to a general poll of voters or to the whim of people in one state.

Rather, I voted as an individual deeply affected by the health care crisis. The Supreme Court now says that corporate money has the same protection as individual speech. Meanwhile, our elected officials govern by polls, which, as we all know, can mean anything or nothing.
But my vote, which is supposed to be sacred, means nothing next to corporate cannons and willy-nilly push polls. You politicians have convinced me of that, so now I ask myself, why vote at all.

I don't plan ever to vote for a Republican again(I have, and for president). Whether I vote again for the Democrats is, I guess, up to them.

Posted by: martymar123 | January 31, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

nothing left to say,tinyjab40 said it all.

Posted by: donaldtucker | January 31, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Democrats will be abandoned in droves if they pay attention to the party of No to scrap the health care bill. What republicans want is for democrats to look weak and to make voters thing that what the Dems were doing was not good to begin with. Republicans controlled congress for 12 years and subsequently had a republican president. We never heard anything from the party of No about health care. Republicans are simply disgusting.

Posted by: truth1 | January 31, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

What they need to do is pass a good bill, without all the silly compromises to buy a vote here and there, and then let the GOP filibuster. And make them filibuster. I want to see them on cable 24/7.

Posted by: Jaggedadze | January 31, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Of course they want to shelve it. They represent the rich insurance and heaqlth care companies. Not the hurting people. They don't care if you don't have insurance because you've been excluded due to a pre-existing condition or if you've lost your job because of a serious illness your employer or insurance company doesn't want to cover. Besides, they have Cadillac health care subsidized by the government. The Senate even has its own doctor on site.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | January 31, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

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