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Security adviser: No smoking gun to stop attack

By John Amick and T. Rees Shapiro

On today's talk shows:

CNN: STATE OF THE UNION - Terrorism adviser: No smoking gun in airliner plot

While various pieces of information on possible terror attacks stemming from al-Qaeda in Yemen floated throughout the intelligence community, there was no "smoking gun" that connected Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab to any such activity, according to Deputy National Security Adviser John Brennan.

Brennan said the "disparate bits and pieces of information," which included the warnings from Abdulmutallab's father in Nigeria about his son's activities, were not connected to provide solid evidence that the 23-year-old Abdulmutallab would attempt to bring down an airliner headed for Detroit on Christmas Day.

"There were a number of pieces that were out there, but for whatever reason, they weren't brought together," Brennan said. "We as a government need to make sure that we're able to bring those pieces together. Every day, there are millions of pieces of the puzzle that come together on many, many people."

Brennan insisted there were no turf battles between intelligence-gathering aspects of the U.S. government that got in the way of thwarting the attempt, as was the case after the attacks of September 11, 2001. He pointed to successful intelligence-sharing moments in the past year as proof that the system can work correctly, but didn't in Abdulmutallab's case.

"Najibullah Zazi, David Headley, other individuals that were captured" are examples of success, Brennan said. "The five guys ... from Northern Virginia. When their parents brought it to the attention of the FBI, that's exactly the way the system should work. We went out there, we contacted the Pakistani authorities. They're currently in prison. And what we're doing is trying to ensure that the system works as well in all these cases as in future events that come up."

The American and British embassies in Yemen were closed on Sunday due to reported terror threats from al-Qaeda.

"There are indications that al-Qaeda is planning to carry out an attack against targets inside of Sana, possibly our embassy, and what we do is to take every measure possible to ensure the safety of our diplomats and citizens abroad," Brennan said.

Currently 90 Yemeni detainees remain at the American prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Nearly half are scheduled for release in Yemen soon. With the ties Abdulmutallab is alleged to have had with al-Qaeda in Yemen, the ties Fort Hood shooter Major Nidal Malik Hasan had with an American-born cleric (Anwar al-Aulaqi) currently in Yemen and reports that former Gitmo detainees have returned to Yemen participate in terror activities, Brennan said Yemeni detainees will be dealt with in a careful manner.

"Many of them are going to be prosecuted, some under the Article III courts, and some under -- in military courts," he said. "Some of these individuals are going to be transferred back to Yemen at the right time and the right pace and in the right way."

On the decision to not call Abdulmutallab an enemy combatant, Brennan pointed to terror suspects, such as shoebomber Richard Reid, who were successfully tried in American civilian courts.

"We try to adapt the tools in the right way," Brennan said. "We are also a country of laws. This was an individual who was arrested on U.S. soil. If we decide at some point that we're going to charge and hold somebody under the enemy combatant status, it's a tool that is available to us. We made a decision to do this."

Kean: Distractions understandable but unacceptable

Former New Jersey governor and former chairman of the 9/11 Commission Thomas Kean said Brennan's responses to questions about how Abdulmutallab was able to slip by the intelligence community were "defensive," and that hopefully this event will help the U.S. focus more on the threats coming from Yemen.

"He (Brennan) said there were pieces of information," Kean said. "He's absolutely right, but he's wrong when he says this wasn't like 9/11. Because what we pointed out in the report, again and again, is that there were a lot of pieces of information that, if they'd been put together, then we might have deterred that plot."

Kean believes the sheer fact that the attacker's father warned authorities should have been enough. He praised the intelligence community for their work to protect from such attacks, but he said it was unacceptable and he hopes the administraton has gotten a wake-up call now, as they were swamped amid other policy "distractions."

"And I say, that's understandable," he said of the various fronts the administration is focused on now. "I mean, heaven's sakes, if you're in this huge health care fight and worried about the economy and global warming and all that sort of thing, that's what they were concentrating on. And I think they weren't giving this enough attention. It's understandable, but it's not acceptable."

DeMint: Obama adm. not focused on safety

Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) taunted the Obama administration for what he called ignoring a global war on terror, while Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) pointed to the various fronts, including an Afghan war that was largely put on the backburner for the fight in Iraq.

"Unlike a myopic focus on Iraq, this administration is going worldwide in this war and is focused on it," McCaskill said. "And I think it is unfair and, frankly, political to take pot shots at the president as we respond to this failure in our systems that we've got to get fixed."

DeMint insisted that not calling Abdulmutallab an enemy combatant and giving "the rights of an American and lawyers" may result in the loss of valuable intelligence. McCaskill alluded to the various terrorists that have been tried in American courts and now sit in maximum security prisons as proof that the American justice system will work.

Regarding the vacant spot atop the Transportation Security Administration, DeMint defended his opposition of Erroll Southers based on his concerns that Southers would "submit airport security to collective bargaining."

"The CIA, the FBI, the Coast Guard, the military, the Congress, none of the employees there can be under collective bargaining because of the need of constant flexibility as we're seeing now with airport security. Airport security does not need to go to union bosses at this time and get their permission to change their security protocol," DeMint said, adding that he shouldn't be blamed for the holdup of the nomination since Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hasn't brought Southers to a vote on the Senate floor.

ABC: THIS WEEK - Brennan: Progress in Yemen, but we must connect dots on attack attempts

National security adviser to the president John Brennan said the Obama administration has been dedicated to the potential threats of al-Qaeda extremists in Yemen and will work with the Yemeni government to improve further counterterrorism efforts.

Brennan pointed to airstrikes in December that killed al-Qaeda operatives as proof of the administration's dedication to helping Yemen, but the strike also killed many civilians, tribal leaders say, enflaming Yemeni citizens in the process.

"Just this past month, we and the Yemenis were able to identify the location of some of these al-Qaeda operatives and commanders and leaders, successful strikes that were carried out, and there are several of the al-Qaeda members, operatives, and the senior leaders who are no longer with us today as a result of those actions," Brennan said.

Brennan repeated his claims that while intelligence was scattered, it was available and efforts to connect the dots should be improved in the future.

"We ... had other streams of information coming from intelligence channels that were little snippets," he said. "We might have had a partial name; we might have had indication of a Nigerian. But there was nothing that brought it all together."

ABC's Terry Moran asked Brennan about the sophistication of the government's technology: "Facebook has 350 million users who put out 3.5 billion pieces of content a week, and it's always drawing connections. In the era of Google, why does the U.S. intelligence community not have the sophistication and power of Facebook?"

Brennan countered, saying that successes happen day in and day out, including the recently foiled plans of Najibullah Zazi and David Headley.

Lieberman defends 'tomorrow's war' comment

Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) said he is afraid Yemen could become "tomorrow's war" if the U.S. doesn't continue its vigilance in stemming extremism in Yemen.

"We are acting preemptively now," said Lieberman, chairman of the Senate Homeland Security committee. "We have an increasing presence there on the ground. We are supporting the Yemeni military and security forces. We've carried out some successful raids in the last couple of weeks against al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula."

Lieberman said he's confident that vigilance will remain as the U.S. continues to press al-Qaeda on various other global fronts.

Both Lieberman and Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said they were baffled by some of Homeland Security Sec. Janet Napolitano's comments last weekend saying "the system worked" following Abdulmutallab's capture, but they said they still had faith in her capabilities and commitment to security.

House Homeland Security Intelligence & Terrorism committee chair Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) said that while she wants to see the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed, she is not sold on releasing any Yemeni detainees at the moment. Still, she added, "If we are going to say we live by the rule of law, we have to apply it to those we detain, both abroad and in America."

Lieberman does not support trying Abdulmutallab in civilian courts, saying he was trained and supported by al-Qaeda overseas, so he should be treated as a prisoner of war. He also does not believe the closing of Guantanamo is right.

"You could not find a better, more humane facility when it comes to a detention center in the world," he said. "It seems like a waste to me to take these people to Illinois. But one thing we better learn from this case on -- on December 25th, it would be irresponsible to take any of the Yemeni detainees in Guantanamo and send them back to Yemen."

Congressman Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.) defended his calls for fundraising following the Christmas Day attempt to "stand up to the Obama-Pelosi efforts to weaken our security," as was phrased in an advertisement.

"I've been right on the facts all along on this -- on the recent attacks, the connections with Yemen," he said. "The differences between this administration and myself have been purely substantive. They have been policy. I've been trying to drive this administration in a policy direction that keeps America safe."

NBC: MEET THE PRESS - Brennan: Airline attacker belongs in criminal court

John Brennan said Christmas day bombing suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab should be tried in a criminal court rather than by a military commission because it is a proven venue for handling terrorism cases. Brennan, deputy national security adviser, said shoebomber Richard Reid, al-Qaeda member Jose Padilla, and 20th 9/11 highjacker Zacarias Moussaoui, all had been tried successfully in civilian courts, while also providing intelligence to prevent other attacks.

Brennan faulted human and systemic errors to the airport security procedures that allowed the Nigerian to board a plane and nearly blow up concealed explosives.

"Clearly he should not have made it on the plane," Brennan said, also noting the airport security process has been intensified since Christmas day.

For the lapses allowing the suspect to get so close to succeeding, Brennan said everyone should be held accountable -- "even me."

FOX NEWS SUNDAY - Brennan addresses closed embassy

John Brennan said the U.S. Embassy in Yemen had been closed over night because of continued threats to the building and its personnel.

"We're not going to take any chances," Brennan said.

Brennan said intelligence gatherings had observed al-Qaeda had a series of planned attacks in the works, and that previous attempts on the property had been foiled.

The U.S. military would continue to provide support to Yemeni counter-terrorist forces, Brennan said, but no U.S. troops would be used to bolster the effort. Plans to repatriate Guantanamo bay detainees to Yemen would continue on a case by case basis, he said.

Sen. Christopher "Kit" Bond (R-Mo.), the ranking minority member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, disagreed with sending detainees back to Yemen. He said 61 Guantanamo detainees had been killed or captured back on the battlefield after being released.

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Comments

I'm so very glad that we gave condom manufacturers 200 mil but cut the intel budget. Is there any amazing feats of smarts this Dem Congress can't do?

Posted by: Obaama | January 5, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what tune CNN would play when it when one of their media outlets got bombed?...they thought the Jihadists forgot about the Danish cartoonist...and then up shows a Jihadist to kill him.....these people have very long memories!

Posted by: Common_Cents1 | January 5, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse


I see, so even though the red states lead the nation in the consumption of internet porn you've gone as far (and you really have got to stretch for that one) as to blame liberals for OBL's credo.

Amazing, spectacularly funny.
Posted by: JRM2
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Sorry JRM2, it is many liberal views that OBL seems to villify the US for. Apparently he wants us to take up Islam, the Shariah law, condem homsexuality, stop supporting womens rights and such.

OBL, and Al Queada by extension, apparently doesn't want us to run our own nation, he wants us to be an ruled by Islamic values.

I'd never read his letter before.


Posted by: win1 | January 5, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse


A HISTORIC DAY IN MODERN (AND TYPICALLY COWARDLY) AMERICAN JOURNALISM:

A WELL-KNOWN JOURNALIST/TV ANALYST DARES TO QUESTION THE MOTIVES OF SOME OF THOSE CHARGED WITH 'KEEPING AMERICA SAFE.'

Mark this date, 1/4/10 @ 8:10 p.m., on Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" TV program, a date that shall live in journalistic infamy.

It is the date when journalist turned strategic analyst Richard Wolffe says what NO MAINSTREAM MEDIA JOURNALIST (except, perhaps, for this former mainstream journalist) has dared to even theorize about...

...that key elements of the U.S. intelligence "community" may have purposely and knowingly withheld information about the underpants bomber due to an "ulterior motive."

In this context, I once again ask the question that no mainstream journalist has asked U.S. officials:

PASSENGER SAYS GOV'T LIES ABOUT FL. 253 BOTCHED BOMBING...
WHY HAS MAINSTREAM MEDIA FAILED TO REPORT THIS ANGLE?

• MI attorney Kurt Haskell says accomplice helped would-be bomber board flight -- and that a second suspect was taken into custody.

http://nowpublic.com/world/witness-says-govt-lies-about-botched-terror-bombing

WHY NOT A WORD ABOUT THIS FROM THE MSM?

Is this whole underpants affair an elaborate diversion from the government's Terror War on unjustly and unconstitutionally "targeted" Americans -- a quiet GENOCIDE?

***

U.S. SILENTLY TORTURES AMERICANS WITH CELL TOWER MICROWAVES, SATELLITES, SAYS VETERAN MAINSTREAM MEDIA JOURNALIST

• Secret Bush legacy multi-agency federal program uses cell tower/GPS satellite microwave/laser electromagnetic radiation attack system to torture, impair, subjugate "targeted" citizens -- and oversees local "community watch" vigilante terrorism and financial sabotage campaigns.

See story at: Poynter.org ("Reporting" section)
OR http://www.nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america OR NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "U.S. SILENTLY..." / "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | January 4, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey, its not like he got a memo saying: "Yemeni determined to set crotch on fire aboard commercial airliner"

Posted by: JRM2 | January 4, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"am is at war with us. Ending our middle east policy is only one of seven demands. The others have to do with American popular culture, primarily behavioral choices promulgated by liberals. Thanks, Libs.

Posted by: physicianexec | January 3, 2010 9:23 PM |"
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I see, so even though the red states lead the nation in the consumption of internet porn you've gone as far (and you really have got to stretch for that one) as to blame liberals for OBL's credo.

Amazing, spectacularly funny.

Posted by: JRM2 | January 4, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

BRENNAN NOW AWARE OF GOV'T DOMESTIC ATROCITIES COMMITTED IN THE NAME OF THE 'WAR ON TERROR.'

WHEN WILL OBAMA ADMINISTRATION PUBLICLY ACT TO STOP AN IDEOLOGICALLY DRIVEN MULTI-AGENCY GENOCIDE?

• Secret Bush legacy multi-agency federal program uses cell tower/GPS satellite microwave/laser electromagnetic radiation attack system to torture, impair, subjugate unjustly and unconstitutionally "targeted" citizens -- and oversees local "community watch" vigilante terrorism and financial sabotage campaigns.

See story at: Poynter.org ("Reporting" section)
OR http://www.nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america OR NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "U.S. SILENTLY..." / "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | January 4, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

State-run CNN is reporting as cover for O'Bama and his cronies.

Smoking gun is anyone's father coming directly to an American Embassy and reporting his sons' terrorist activities.

Imbeciles in the media!

Smoking gun is that this young Islamo-terrorist was allowed to continue his Al-Queda plot from the date of that explicative report from the terrorist's own father at the US Embassy.

Take responsibility O'Bama. Another lapse.

Even at the WH party, anyone can get in. Then the Islamo-terrorist slaughter inside our walls at our base.

Now this.

Incompetence at all levels.

Posted by: Accuracy | January 4, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Brennan said there was no smoking gun? Why the little fire in the pants terrorist was your smoking gun! Oh Brennan is not going to step up and admit their agency's inept actions or shall we say inactions in this war on terror which they fail to recognize.
We need to vote these unrealistic inexperienced people out in 2010 and in 2012. We deserve better than this. And if Obama insists in sending those Gitmo prisoners back to Yemen, then they are just lying to us about their concern for our safety. They deliver the words but if they cannot deliver, the words are just hollow. I wish they would let us know if it is every man for himself.

Posted by: greatgran1 | January 4, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

This is a serious event that demands sobriety, not partisan shouting from the GOP. The likes of Cheney, DeMint and Hoekstra are damaging their country.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | January 4, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"Smoking gun" normally refers to evidence discovered after a crime that indicates who did it. It doesn't make much sense in the context it is used here. In this case, "connecting the dots" seems the more appropriate term. And in this case, there seemed to be enough dots, including this guy's own father and the association with known bad guys, to put this guy on the no fly list. This is the same kind of crap we got after 9/11. When are they going to make some real progress in the analysis of intelligence?

Posted by: bigtom6156 | January 4, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

UNDERPANTS BOMBER PROBE TO REVEAL DOMESTIC 'ANTI-TERRORISM' ATROCITIES?

It appears that John Brennan is aware of more than some secretive agencies would like him to fully know. Obama got his "back" yesterday on "Meet the Press," and Brennan's obviously got the full support of POTUS and VPOTUS. Could that be why the masters behind a certain domestic multi-agency coordinated action "anti-terrorism" program that employs invisible hi-tech disabling weaponry and low-tech local community vigilantes are starting to sweat?

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "U.S. Silently..."

Posted by: scrivener50 | January 4, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Well, there is "a smoking gun" of what is, or what isn't Al Qaeda: It is Dick Cheney! But he doesn't threaten national security; he threatens Obama's national security credentials! And we had better tread slowly in Yemen, or we may help the secessionists to split Yemen again into North Yemen and South Yemen - as they were during the Cold War era. And South Yemen had a Marxist pro-Soviet regime - not a Wahhabi Islamic emirate. Do we want to play Russian roulette there now?

We are a superpower, but we have a lot of dumb heads in Washington. And they are the worst "smoking guns" of political expediency at a time that we need rational thinking and statesmanship at the top! Nikos Retsos, retired professor

Posted by: Nikos_Retsos | January 3, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

"If you fail to respond to all these conditions, then prepare for fight with the Islamic Nation. The Nation of Monotheism, that puts complete trust on Allah and fears none other than Him. The Nation which is addressed by its Quran with the words: "Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him if you are believers. Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of believing people. And remove the anger of their (believers') hearts. Allah accepts the repentance of whom He wills. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise." [Quran9:13-1]

Osama Bin Laden

So, it is clear for all to see from OBL's 2002 "Letter to America". Islam is at war with us. Ending our middle east policy is only one of seven demands. The others have to do with American popular culture, primarily behavioral choices promulgated by liberals. Thanks, Libs.

Posted by: physicianexec | January 3, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

"You are a nation that practices the trade of sex in all its forms, directly and indirectly. Giant corporations and establishments are established on this, under the name of art, entertainment, tourism and freedom, and other deceptive names you attribute to it."

Osama Bin Laden

Posted by: physicianexec | January 3, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

More from OBL's 2002 Letter to America. This is why they are attacking us.

"You are a nation that permits the production, trading and usage of intoxicants. You also permit drugs, and only forbid the trade of them, even though your nation is the largest consumer of them.

(iv) You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom. You have continued to sink down this abyss from level to level until incest has spread amongst you, in the face of which neither your sense of honour nor your laws object.

Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the official Oval office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that he 'made a mistake', after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and remembered by nations?"

Osama Bin Laden

Posted by: physicianexec | January 3, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

A stupid repressed homosexual self-hating kook.

And that's the king troll.

Don't even get me started on Brennan.

Whose gotchyer head, troll?

ROTFLMAO.

"But, but, but, I MUST be in control, why, I'm baitng the libs, look at the press, they're in an uproar..."


http://www.sandlus.com/im/jr/MPH-04241.jpg

Steelers, in case you can't tell...

Mr Potato Head goes NFL...

Posted by: thegreatpotatospamof2003 | January 3, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

The passengers on the Amsterdam - Detroit flight owe their lives to impromptu...ad hoc..actions on the part of passengers and certainly not to a multi billion dollar funded intelligence system allegedly designed to protect them.

The only people that can count on protection of aany description these days are the Chicago Thugs within the Obama Administration.

Should the worst have happened, I can hear
the Leftie Mantra which goes like this "You have to understand that we were all struggling valliantly to work with a broken system that was put in place by George Bush" GWB would be the "real villan" in any such catastrophic scenario according to the bottom feeding scumbags on the left in this country

Posted by: KevinDoc | January 3, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

bowspray:
closing the embassies (UK did too) is not an indication of any kind of surrender.
quite the contrary.
it's telling them that air strikes are next.

I don't agree that there is panic. This exposed our problems.

however, you say
...."He made it obvious [ even though he failed] that our security is a joke."

How is our security a joke? On a plane, originating out of Holland, descending into Detroit air space--in which a passenger has a PETN in his underwear.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | January 3, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

The Obama Administration is in full panic! Closing our Yemen Embassy,flooding the talk shows with defensive apologists all combine to indicate they are terrified of when the next shoe falls.The "smoking gun" that exploded in the face of the American public was Abdulmulltalab.He made it obvious [ even though he failed] that our security is a joke.All the effort and rcommendations of the 911 Commission appear to have been a waste of time.Trying to shine up Napolitano and sticking with the nomination of a confirmed liar to run TSA doesn`t build credibility or confidence,either.

Posted by: bowspray | January 3, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

hey libs. see what OBL has to say about you in his 2002 "letter to America".

"The second thing we call you to, is to stop your oppression, lies, immorality and debauchery that has spread among you.

(a) We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest."

Osama Bin Laden

Posted by: physicianexec | January 3, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey SDRANE, since when does the American Bar Association set US Justice Dept policy? Should a Lawyers Association be above our govt. and so powerful that we should abandon law?

Fact- There were NO Military Tribunals established in time to to try the British citizen Reid until many years later and they were argued against , successfully, by A.G. Holder's law Firm. His firm sent Yemeni fighters out of Gitmo
Facts? Just the facts.

______

Posted by: TJFod | January 3, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cschotta1
Looking at the past, eh lib? Unfortunately, this country is better of in the hands of a bunch of spend happy and spineless republicans than in the hands of a bunch of socialists!

The election was a little more than 13 months ago, not the distant past for sure. I am quite certain that you don't even know how to define a "socialist" within the context of 2010. If you could you would realize how stupid that really sounds.

Posted by: sdrane |


Not too hard to define, just watch Obama IF you are confused.
PS-Obama has already lost the moderate swing voters, and he's not getting them back! The democRAT party will have their own record to run on. Simply blaming Bush like the "manchild" Obama tends to do ain't gonna cut it!

Barack Hussein Obama-"ONE AND DONE"

Posted by: cschotta1 | January 3, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Oh God,what won't the screw up Barack Obama
and his Band of White House Clowns dream up
next,as an attempt to cover their leader Barack Hussein Obama and their own total
incompetence? Do they need to look up and
see the White House blown apart like the two World Trade Center Towers were on 9-11 by Al_Qeada Terrorist and dead Americans laying around all over the place.right here
in the good old USA,to wake up and act against Osama bin Laden and Al_Qeada where
they live inside the tribal areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan and now Yemen or what? Why hasn't Liar in Chief Obama got
Osama bin Laden by now,like he promised,or
was that just another endless lie of our
Incompetent Liar in Chief Barack Obama here? Impeach Obama and Prevent More 9-11s!

Posted by: carleen09 | January 3, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cschotta1
Looking at the past, eh lib? Unfortunately, this country is better of in the hands of a bunch of spend happy and spineless republicans than in the hands of a bunch of socialists!

The election was a little more than 13 months ago, not the distant past for sure. I am quite certain that you don't even know how to define a "socialist" within the context of 2010. If you could you would realize how stupid that really sounds.

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Posted by: iofferkicks359 | January 3, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama won with nearly 70,000,000 votes or 53% and an electoral landslide. Dems win sweeping majorities in the house and the senate

Villagers, please recognize that you are in the minority.

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Posted by: cschotta1 | January 3, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

From OBL's 2002 Letter to America.

"What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

(1) The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.

(a) The religion of the Unification of God; of freedom from associating partners with Him, and rejection of this; of complete love of Him, the Exalted; of complete submission to His Laws; and of the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories and religions which contradict with the religion He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Islam is the religion of all the prophets, and makes no distinction between them - peace be upon them all.

It is to this religion that we call you; the seal of all the previous religions. It is the religion of Unification of God, sincerity, the best of manners, righteousness, mercy, honour, purity, and piety. It is the religion of showing kindness to others, establishing justice between them, granting them their rights, and defending the oppressed and the persecuted. It is the religion of enjoining the good and forbidding the evil with the hand, tongue and heart. It is the religion of Jihad in the way of Allah so that Allah's Word and religion reign Supreme. And it is the religion of unity and agreement on the obedience to Allah, and total equality between all people, without regarding their colour, sex, or language.

(b) It is the religion whose book - the Quran - will remained preserved and unchanged, after the other Divine books and messages have been changed. The Quran is the miracle until the Day of Judgment. Allah has challenged anyone to bring a book like the Quran or even ten verses like it."

Osama Bin Laden

Posted by: physicianexec | January 3, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey Team of Obama

The smartest guys in the room should not need to continue to compare themselves to Bush. Or better yet I thought he was the dumbest guy in the room?

Here is a profile of Team Obama Lightweights and why they need to blame Bush to feel good about themselves

a. they also blame their parents
b. their parents are divorced
c. they are renters
d. they are underachievers & overeducated
e. are public sector workers
f. they are caucaisian
g. frequently female or gay males
h. had unfulfilled childhoods
i. dislike the nuclear family

How am I doing Team Obama?

Posted by: TJFod | January 3, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

TJFOD: LIKE MOST VILLAGERS WHEN THE FACTS DONT FIT THE ARGUMENT JUST MAKE STUFF UP. BUSH COULD HAVE HELD THE SHOE BOMBER AS AN ENEMY COMBATANT BUT CHOSE TO TRY HIM IN FEDERAL COURT......

The American Bar Association announced in 2002 during the Bush administration that: "In response to the unprecedented attacks of September 11, on November 13, 2001, the President announced that certain non-citizens (of the USA) would be subject to detention and trial by military authorities. The order provides that non-citizens whom the President deems to be, or to have been, members of the al Qaeda organization or to have engaged in, aided or abetted, or conspired to commit acts of international terrorism that have caused, threaten to cause, or have as their aim to cause, injury to or adverse effects on the United States or its citizens, or to have knowingly harbored such individuals, are subject to detention by military authorities and trial before a military commission."[2]
On September 28 and September 29, 2006, the US Senate and US House of Representatives, respectively, passed the Military Commissions Act of 2006, a controversial bill that allows the President to designate certain people with the status of "unlawful enemy combatants" thus making them subject to military commissions, where they have fewer civil rights than in regular trials.

Posted by: sdrane | January 3, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

TJFOD: LIKE MOST VILLAGERS YOU MUST HATE THE FACTS

Fact is that Bush could in fact have chosen to use the military tribunal for Reid

The American Bar Association announced in 2002 during the Bush administration that: "In response to the unprecedented attacks of September 11, on November 13, 2001, the President announced that certain non-citizens (of the USA) would be subject to detention and trial by military authorities. The order provides that non-citizens whom the President deems to be, or to have been, members of the al Qaeda organization or to have engaged in, aided or abetted, or conspired to commit acts of international terrorism that have caused, threaten to cause, or have as their aim to cause, injury to or adverse effects on the United States or its citizens, or to have knowingly harbored such individuals, are subject to detention by military authorities and trial before a military commission."[2]
On September 28 and September 29, 2006, the US Senate and US House of Representatives, respectively, passed the Military Commissions Act of 2006, a controversial bill that allows the President to designate certain people with the status of "unlawful enemy combatants" thus making them subject to military commissions, where they have fewer civil rights than in regular trials.

Posted by: sdrane | January 3, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

DEMOCRATS WIN DECISIVE VICTORIES IN LAST 2 ELECTION CYCLES, AMERICANS FIRE THE GOP AND LEAVE THEM IMPOTENT WITH 40 VOTES IN THE SENATE.

Obama won with nearly 70,000,000 votes or 53% and an electoral landslide. Dems win sweeping majorities in the house and the senate

Villagers, please recognize that you are in the minority.

Posted by: sdrane | January 3, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

SDRANE WROTE: Bush tried the shoe bomber in Federal Court - what say you? Reid carried the exact same kind of explosive on a plane and failed to detonate it........ just like the last guy. So did Reid get a show trial from the Bush administration that hurt our security? "

That is correct, however you fail to add that at the time of 'Shoebomber' there was NO pathway to a military tribunal. Federal District Court was the only option. We know differently now. As in all trial cases you change when the facts change.

When an A.G. and POTUS both say they will be "convicted" what else is this other than a 'show trial'. That is what the term 'show trial' means.

Your reasoning would imply that Rudy Guliani still feels the 1993 WTC bombers should have been tried in federal Court? Answer is emphatically no. Guliani is a former US of the Southern District, no stranger to "show trials", is totally sold on using Military Tribunals.

Guliani understands that it is not simply about conviction (which is in doubt once you enter a criminal court since evidentiary process is different). Also at HIGH risk are techniques and informants who have given information.

This IS A WAR agains a foe that our current Attorney General has permitted to BENEFIT from our system of criminal justice rather than identifying them as War Criminals commiting War Crimes against civilian populations.

Since Mr. Holder's former partners defended the Yemeni at Gitmo using the Geneva Conventions, they should assemble some thinking on what crimes committed on civilian populations constitute.

However, A.G. Holder is also the writer of the Clinton letter to release FALN terrorists who bombed in Lower Manhattan. This is a sorry group of anti-US lawyers you are defending.

Posted by: TJFod | January 3, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

TJFOD: "BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK UNITED STATES"

This is the title of the August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief that was delivered to Bush. The PDB followed extensive efforts by the counter-terrorism experts in the State Department and the CIA to actually have a meeting with Bush regarding the topic.

LMAO!! Desperate times for desperate liberals. Hey lib, why didn't Clinton inform Bush that the terrorists were trained in the US on how to fly an airplane without knowing how to land one-since it all happened on Bubba's watch?

Posted by: cschotta1 | January 3, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

sdrane. get of the bush thing already. the election is over. bush was an idiot who was far too soft in dealing with al qeada. he should have been much more aggressive. osama obama might as well join the taliban. he's handing them one victory after another.

Posted by: physicianexec | January 3, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

PROCOUNSEL: Talk about asleep at the switch, you Villagers would know it when you see it for sure

"BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK UNITED STATES"

This is the title of the August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief that was delivered to Bush. The PDB followed extensive efforts by the counter-terrorism experts in the State Department and the CIA to actually have a meeting with Bush regarding the topic.

Bush went on vacation for 1 month.

Posted by: sdrane | January 3, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

"No smoking gun"
"The system worked"
"Let's not jump to conclusions"
"The war is lost"

Friends don't let friends vote democRAT!

Posted by: cschotta1 | January 3, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

As for those who cite the Reed criminal trial as an example of the best way to deal with terrorists, ponder this. Reed will spend the next 50 years being housed, fed, clothed, exercised, entertained, with free medical care (zero co-pay, no deductible, first dollar coverage)and no cost legal representation so he can file grievances and suits ad lib...all at your expense.

He should have been tried in a military tribunal and imprisoned at GTMO. All the terrorists should have enhanced interrogation and be imprisoned at GTMO. If found guilty of killing even a single American, they should be executed.

Posted by: physicianexec | January 3, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

TJFOD: "BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK UNITED STATES"

This is the title of the August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief that was delivered to Bush. The PDB followed extensive efforts by the counter-terrorism experts in the State Department and the CIA to actually have a meeting with Bush regarding the topic.

Bush went on vacation for 1 month.

Talk about smoking guns. The PDB said that Bin Laden may use airliners as weapons.

Posted by: sdrane | January 3, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

team obama--a profile in arrogant asinine

incompetence

will america be blasted with a terrorist mushroom cloud

before or after napolitano is fired?

team obama--not just asleep at the switch, they are laying on the track and deny there are trains

Posted by: ProCounsel | January 3, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

team obama--a profile in arrogant asinine

incompetence

will america be blasted with a terrorist mushroom cloud

before or after napolitano is fired?

team obama--not just asleep at the switch, they are laying on the track and deny there are trains

Posted by: ProCounsel | January 3, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

No smoking gun???? Let's see, the guy is a Muslim, travelling from Africa without a passport, without luggage, buying a one-way ticket with cash at the airpot. That's not a smoking gun, that's a smoking arsenal. Folks, we are in big trouble. Osama Obama, the closet Taliban, has placed idiots in the white house who think there was no smoking gun and that the system worked.

Posted by: physicianexec | January 3, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

CAPITOL POLICE, FIREMEN, CITY POLICE, STATE POLICE, EMT FIRST RESPONDERS, EMERGENCY ROOM NURSES AND TECHNICIANS.

Are all unionized and have collective bargaining. Villagers, please send me a link to a story from a major news outlet where the collective bargaining clause in the union contracts has stopped any of our brave police and first responders from doing their jobs

Posted by: sdrane | January 3, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

No smoking gun?

How about a
Name
D.O.B.
A current Visa
An d a father telling us his boy has gone off-the-reservation?

That is a smoke fire

Posted by: TJFod | January 3, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

TJFOD: Bush tried the shoe bomber in Federal Court - what say you? Reid carried the exact same kind of explosive on a plane and failed to detonate it........ just like the last guy. So did Reid get a show trial from the Bush administration that hurt our security?

Posted by: sdrane | January 3, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

The only solution for a hack like DeMint is to put him out to pasture. It really depends on if South Carolina wants to come back to the land of civilized responsible behavior, or they just want to keep grabbing all they can from the U.S. while laughing it off.

Posted by: larry9 | January 3, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

IS THE RIGHT IGNORANT OR JUST A BUNCH OF LIARS:

When faced with the near identical circumstance in Richard (shoe bomber) Reid the Bush Administration chose to try him in Federal Court.

Bush had already made the decision to close Gitmo in 2006. Two of the men that were subsequently released by the Bush Administration from Gitmo have been implicated in the Christmas attack as co-conspirators.

But the villagers go on tee-ve and say Obama don't think were at war cause he wants to try the guy in Federal Court and that his decision to close Gitmo is the problem, gawd it make my head hurt to listen to these guys.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/08/politics/main1596464.shtml

Posted by: sdrane | January 3, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Brennan say the bomber belongs in Criminal Court because it was proven to work? More of the same

Military tribunals were fought by Attorney Holder's Law Firm for 17 Yemeni once held in Guantanmo. This allowed some to come back at us. Look it up.

The FACT is this is a series of war crimes or conspiracy to commit war crimes against civilian populations. Instead we get a show trial that will freeze commerce in NYC to "prove Bush wrong"

Barry does not take this seriously (or is getting what he wants as opposed to what he portrays) and Brennan is merely addicted to the budget and power. A collossal misrepresentation is being perpetrated on the American people and I can not wait until Nov 4, 2010.

T.J. Fod

Posted by: TJFod | January 3, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I want to know what is so darn bad about collective bargaining at the TSA? Maybe we would get some quality.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo

__________________

1. Ask French and English airline travellers who regularly face strikes during Christmas or long weekends. That is how "collective bargaining" is done.

2. Consider that any request for change to how or what people need to do would have to be "approved" by unions...

3. for a quicker answer, just see what collective bargaining did to the auto industry over time - in the long run, it cut the branch workers were sitting on.

Posted by: sally62 | January 3, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"...lapses...". Why not tell the truth and use the word "screwups"?????????????????

Posted by: kentigereyes | January 3, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse


Barry tries so desperately to appear as and sound like a Commander-in-Chief.

Posted by: jas7751 | January 3, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse


Barry called the bomber an "isolated extremist". His talking head of Home Land Security said the "system worked". His Justice dept. lawyer-ups the terrorist and he clams up.

Yep, this administration is up to the task.

Posted by: jas7751 | January 3, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Cheney is a great American. Barry, not so much.

Posted by: jas7751 | January 3, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Beck:
actually, you state a very profound statement....
...."Just how blatant would the threat have to be before it was considered "worthy"?!"

--or even considered a threat? When was Abdulmutallab considered a threat on Xmas?
Only until his actions gave way to it --(trying to rip-cord the explosive at his seat).
///
I guess one of the next steps the TSA is implementing is the "suspicious behavior observations". Going to have trained agents within the airports looking for the "tell-tale profiled signs of a potential radical". I look forward to that one.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | January 3, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

So -- rice should have ben fired by noon on 9/11. Then ridge withing hours of rieds aborted attempt. rumsfeld should have ben fired by August of 2003, brownie with hours of Katrina. Right? And bush at any of those junctures and many more. What nonsense the right wing spews without thinking after bick of heinity gets them all fired up.

Posted by: John1263 | January 3, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Brennan said cheney is wrong. He said President Obama is very serious and focused on national security. I like him for his honesty. Same reason not to like cheney. Or bush. Or rove. Or gonzo. Or rumsfeld. Or wolfowitz. Or perle. Or addington. Or yoo. Or libby. (the list goes on, but the point is clear by now.)

Posted by: John1263 | January 3, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

the article says:

"...With the ties Abdulmutallab is alleged to have had with al-Qaeda in Yemen, the ties Fort Hood shooter Major Nidal Malik Hasan had with an American-born cleric (Anwar al-Aulaqi)..."

_______


what is UP with the qualifier "American-born" being attached to a full citizen of the USA?

the FBI, CIA, and others knew about the cleric and monitored emails, probably wiretapped him thoroughly, and never deemed him a threat...until after Ft Hood.

Say the "American-born" Abraham Lincoln, the "American-born" George Bush, the "American-born" Pat Tillman a few times.

Full American, whether one likes him or not, and certainly, whether he is a criminal or not.


American.

Posted by: forestbloggod | January 3, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes, another experiment using the power of omniscience ? Experiments like these really give me a greater appreciation of my Creator.

Posted by: truthhurts | January 3, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Dick Cheney is a diabolical reprobate...


Posted by: demtse | January 3, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

No smoking gun!!!

That's probably what Custer said about all those Injuns that were surrounding him. Brennan is denying the nose on his face.

Posted by: fenoy | January 3, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Amazing; they look into it so quickly and declare they didn't drop the ball.

Just how blatant would the threat have to be before it was considered "worthy"?!

Posted by: Beckola | January 3, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

This country is in socialist, government takeover of corporations, health care and tax raising mode. Jobs are not being created, mortgages not refinanced, banks stuffed with taxpayer money buy more banks and open more offices but won't make loans, and cap and trade taxes and medicare cutbacks are in the works.
The Senate is a bargaining organization where extortion and bribery is used to force legislation on a public that doesn't want it!

If this is success and Obama accomplishments then wait.

Iran is still chugging along building a nuclear weapon and providing weapons to our enemies, our troops have waited months for their Commander in Chief to figure out the political ramifications of sending them help they have requested. They twist in the wind while they wait.
TSA and CIA and Homeland gets their marching orders from the White House, but they haven't received any until lately.
Now all of a sudden Obama is a fighting man, ready to take on al Qaeda. Making the announcements about who did it and where they came from and such.
This last minute spurt is all show and no go.
The obfuscations of the Obama administration on every issue is appalling.
This President is not a war time president and we are at war.
GITMO closing, civilian trials for enemy combatants and mixing terrorists with prison gangs is a recipe for chaos.

We have a president without accomplishments, who is still in Hawaii eating snow cones and drinking mai tais, even after American carrier had a bomber on board with a device would have, but for the Grace of God, killed all aboard and others on the ground.
This conduct of a POTUS is shameful and unacceptable.
I for one will not forgive and forget. I will vote out all who vote with Obama in the House and Senate that appear on my ballot.
I will vote for the candidate that faces Obama in 2012.

We are not Obamaland. We are the United States of America. We should act like it again.

Posted by: mharwick | January 3, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

This is why you don't elect communists to high office. Get it now suckers?

Posted by: wewintheylose | January 3, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I think some of this report is not said. The information was out there, but not one Analyst had looked at it or was not smart enough to connect the dots. So intelligence is nothing except data until someone puts it together and analysis i.t. We have always been collectors of a lot of material (i.e. 400,000 on a list), but what is done is another thing. Brennan should or could have figured this out. Let's face it: Someone dropped the ball. My thing is why isn't past security people Richard Clarke called and get his input. There is still infighting going on among the different agencies, as one can tell from the reports in the newspapers.

Posted by: skyjumperdave | January 3, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I think some of this report is not said. The information was out there, but not one Analyst had looked at it or was not smart enough to connect the dots. So intelligence is nothing except data until someone puts it together and analysis i.t. We have always been collectors of a lot of material (i.e. 400,000 on a list), but what is done is another thing. Brennan should or could have figured this out. Let's face it: Someone dropped the ball. My thing is why isn't past security people Richard Clarke called and get his input. There is still infighting going on among the different agencies, as one can tell from the reports in the newspapers.

Posted by: skyjumperdave | January 3, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Napolitano should have already been sacked. We have a ship of fools running our country right now. Time for "we the voters" take back our country.

Posted by: mock1ngb1rd | January 3, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

If it is true that the Saudi's personally told Brennen about the new "underwear bomb", then I think that is the Smoking Gun that Brennen claims does not exist.

Posted by: JCM-51 | January 3, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The Looney Toons of the Barack Obama White
House are just as totally incompetent as Der Leader Barack Hussein Obama whenever it
comes to fighting terrorism and keep on blowing it time after time and so,it is far
too late for Obama and Company to try to spin their way out of how Barack Obama,that
endlessly vacationing,Golfer in Chief,Tiger
Woods Wannabe screwed royally on this latest Al_Qeada Terrorist Airliner Bombing
Attempt and will not admit. Or, will Obama
accept responsiblity and immediately fire
Sec of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano,
CIA Director Leon Panatello,and this screwball Brennan among others that should have their heads rolling in the gutter after they help our MIA AWOL Presidential Imposter from Kenya Obama screw this one up. Time to Impeach Obama before Obama & his band of total incompetent help cause the next 9-11 Terrorist Attack on the USA.

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | January 3, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

If it is true that the Saudi's personally told Brennen about the new "underwear bomb", then I think that is the Smoking Gun that Brennen claims does not exist.

Posted by: JCM-51 | January 3, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

The Brits were busy having their daily spot of tea so they did not have time to notify the US about this terrorist.

Posted by: truth1 | January 3, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

My 11 year old daughter could have connected the dots on this one.

Brennan and Napolitano are a man-made disaster. Allowing Souther to be head of TSA will make it official: the 3 blind mice in charge of our security.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | January 3, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

schmettering:
You quote correctly but does not prove your point that the TSA is international. It is not an International agency. It is a United States security agency.

However, let's take a look at the most important part of all that lovely law and code you just quoted:

The key part .....
"Domestic and foreign air carriers that operate to, from, or within the United States....."

operate to - once they are on our soil (or descending air space intending to land)--TSA rules, regulations, policies, and procedures take precedent and become "in effect". Now-the originating country of that "operate to"...does not have to follow TSA rules, regulations, policies, or procedures. We can hope they acknowledge the TSA Manual.

from - well, all our flights go through TSA stuff. FROM the USA. They are the security workers you see waving the wands, etc. etc. So "from" trips -we shouldn't have to worry too much about, right? TSA is already doing their job on "from" the USA flights.

and finally "within the US"...well, of course. TSA is supposed to do that. Our flights (the ones going from only New York to Chicago, etc.) aren't the problem, are they?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | January 3, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

This guy used his own name

2) the Brits had him on a no fly list for a year already

3) his picture should have been circulated to all airports.

what dimwits are running this show?

all no fly lists should be circulated with all available pictures to all airports
and on Facebook and google.

Terrorists heve no right to privacy.


facebook, google and sharing the simple list with pictures costs virtually nothing to circulate

Posted by: JohnAdams1 | January 3, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

This guy used his own name

2) the Brits had him on a no fly list for a year already

3) his picture should have been circulated to all airports.

what dimwits are running this show?

all no fly lists should be circulated with all available pictures to all airports
and on Facebook and google.

Terrorists heve no right to privacy.


facebook, google and sharing the simple list with pictures costs virtually nothing to circulate

Posted by: JohnAdams1 | January 3, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I saw Brennan on the Sunday talk show circuit. And Chris was on CNN (was great!!!)

Brennan spoke of the Abdulmutallab's father's warning to the US Embassy.
But he didn't talk about how that Embassy Memo got lost when it hit the mainland (think Phoenix Memo).

The issue this has created for the warranted reviews President Obama has called for, is one of process definition. And prcoess definition of high importance across many agencies involved.
But how can one do that when no one talks to one another.
Try telling a CIA agent to share his information with an FBI agent. They look at you dumbfounded.
Why?

****************
The next time YOU try telling a CIA agent or an FBI agent anything will probably make one in a row.
Try hobbling both agencies, as Obama has done, telling out of one side of your mouth "I've got your back" and the next day allowing the Attorney General to begin new investigations into officers who did their jobs faithfully.
You have no idea what you're talking about, and the failures to connect the dots have NOTHING TO DO with the quality of the people trying to work these issues.

Posted by: Toosoonoldtoolatesmart | January 3, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

SO I mixed up US Marshals with Federal Air Marshals. Lots of reporters must be getting that wrong too.
There was no US Federal Air Marshall on board. But we don't have them on flights originating in a foreign country.
No matter what the moninker, they are both federal employees.

schmetterringtoo: key word is Airport. I am sure that TSA officials have visited Japan's airport, Singapores, London's, Paris'---gathering data, etc. for assessments so our airports could be more secure and we could work better internationally. But the TSA is security for US airports. And that's it.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | January 3, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

FROM THE GAO REPORT 2007:

3Domestic and foreign air carriers that operate to, from, or within the United States must establish and maintain security programs approved by TSA in accordance with requirements set forth in regulation at 49 C.F.R. parts 1544 and 1546. See 49 U.S.C. §§ 44903 44906. In conducting air carrier inspections, TSA may consider compliance with air carriers’ TSA-approved security programs as well as any applicable laws, regulations, security directives, and emergency amendments. See 49 C.F.R. §§ 1544.3 1546.3.
Page 2 GAO-07-729


ANY QUESTIONS?

Posted by: schmetterlingtoo | January 3, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

p.s. "thebabeNemo" is it? U.S. MARSHALLS ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS IN THE U.S-THEY ARE NOT EMPLOYED BY THE DHS, BUT RATHER, BY THE U.S. MARSHALL'S SERVICE. THEY DO SERVICE AS LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS TO THE U.S. COURT SYSTEM IN OUR COUNTRY.

FEDERAL AIR MARSHALS ARE EMPLOYED BY THE DHS AS ARMED FEDERAL AGENTS ABOARD SELECTED U.S. AIR CARRIERS (there's that term again!) AS PART OF THE MULTI-LAYERED SYSTEM OF AVIATION SECURITY.

Posted by: schmetterlingtoo | January 3, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Uh, "thebabeNemo" is it? I'm GREATLY AFRAID YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EFF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT-BUT YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY ONE WHO THINKS THEY DO.

GO GOOGLE FOREIGN AIRPORT ASSESSMENT, OKAY? THAT'S JUST A START.

Posted by: schmetterlingtoo | January 3, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

...."ALL US CARRIERS OPERATING OUTSIDE THE US ARE SUBJECT TO TSA SECURITY RULES-THE TSA REGULATES U.S. CARRIERS OUTSIDE THE U.S. JUST AS THEY DO DOMESTICALLY-NWA USES A USG "NO FLY" LIST IN HOLLAND JUST AS THEY DO IN JAPAN."
--sounds good, but a bit off.
Carriers are not commercial airliners. You sound military. TSA is internal security for the USA airports. Their guidelines and policies are followed by all airports in the United States. If they are followed by foreign countries, I don't know, but I know they don't HAVE to. Would we like them to. Sure.

TSA is not "stationed" at airports throughout the globe. It is the USA.

Planes COMING INTO the USA must acknowledge TSA rules upon entry. (on our soil so to speak).

I am sure our No Fly List (about 2000 names) is shared. Abdulmutallab was on the 3rd list, called TCES or something like that. That is the electronic submission list. We have many lists and that is why one of the two reviews the President ordered, addresses this.

There was no US Marshall on the flight either. That's another controversy.
But hey, we don't have them on flights originating in a foreign country. US Marshall trumps TSA anyway--so the question comes up..."why not a US Marshal on every flight coming into the USA"?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | January 3, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I think it's probable that Obama's agenda to "fundamentally transform America" has had a negative affect on our security agencies. Releasing Gitmo detainees and giving others the same rights as American citizens sends a message that says, " why work too hard to catch these bozos just to see them released"?

I personally think that our agencies are in such a CYA mode that they aren't as effective as they could be. After all, one slip or error and they are drug to Congress and treated like children. They have little support from this radical administration and democrats in congress. It's a morale issue.

Posted by: thehamptons1 | January 3, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

WELL! EVERYBODY CAN SEE THE SMOKING GUN BUT YOU AND THE REST OF INCOMPETENTS AND THIS GO FOR THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AS WELL.I RECOMMEND TO OUTSOURCE OUR SECURITY TO ISRAEL BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW TO TO THIS OR PERHAPS TO THE DUTCH GUY WHO SAVED US FROM TRAGEDY.

Posted by: bluelagoon21 | January 3, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse


This guy is just another Odumbo apologist.
I don't believe anything any of them say.

They all lie like their incompetent boss, the half breeed comunity organizer.

Contemptible, and incompetent. Not good for our national security.

Posted by: LarryG62 | January 3, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

LET ME ADD ALSO, ALL FOREIGN CARRIERS ARE SUBJECT TO TSA REGULATIONS AS WELL. THAT'S RIGHT, IF THEY FLY INTO THE U.S., THEY MUST CHECK EACH PAX NAME OFF THE NO-FLY LIST BEFORE THE PAX IS BOARDED. THE TSA SENDS TEAMS ALL OVER THE WORLD, FROM THEIR REPRESENTATIVES AND OFFICES WHICH ARE LOCATED ALL OVER THE WORLD FROM SINGAPORE TO BRUSSELS, AND ALL POINTS IN BETWEEN, TO ASSESS ALL FOREIGN AIRPORTS WHERE U.S. CARRIERS FLY OUT OF, AND FOREIGN CARRIERS FLY INTO, THE U.S.

ALL FOREIGN AIRPORTS ARE REGULATED AND ASSESSED BY THE TSA IF THE 2 CONDITIONS ABOVE APPLY-ALL OF THEM.

Posted by: farfalle44 | January 3, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

ALL US CARRIERS OPERATING OUTSIDE THE US ARE SUBJECT TO TSA SECURITY RULES-THE TSA REGULATES U.S. CARRIERS OUTSIDE THE U.S. JUST AS THEY DO DOMESTICALLY-NWA USES A USG "NO FLY" LIST IN HOLLAND JUST AS THEY DO IN JAPAN.

IT WOULDN'T HAVE MATTERED. ABDULMUTALLAB WAS NOT ON A "SELECTEE" OR A "NO FLY" LIST BECAUSE THE INCOMPETENTS AT THE U.S. EMBASSY IN NIGERIA AND AT STATE HQ DID NOT RUN HIS NAME THROUGH THEIR VISA DATABASE TO SEE IF HE HAD A U.S. VISA-AND THEN ACT TO REVOKE IT.

Posted by: farfalle44 | January 3, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

hold the phone here folks....

The father of Abdulmutallab warned the US Embassy in Nigeria. The CIA on the mainland - well, problem number one. Embassy reported it to the CIA. What happened?

....."It's funny that the TSA's error in boarding a passenger who paid cash and checked no bag has now become an al Qaeda threat so dangerous as to close the embassy..."
--TSA is not in Holland. Not their error so to speak. Abdulmutallab boarded in Holland. Do you think we had the Hubble Telescope honed in on the airport on this guy? Makes all the difference in the world for the data to flow correctly---that he boarded in Holland. Almost made it a bit more of an international issue than you think. And now Holland IS using the total recall xray machines on all US flights.
Also, this "paid cash, one way, no bag" feedback I read---WHAT-no one travels like that? Gee honey, I'm sorry--so you don't look like a terrorist, I had to book a round trip ticket (even though I know your stay is indefinite at the beach house), and you can't take any luggage with you or you will look suspicious.
What the heck is that?

Closing embassies is standard operating procedure for the message of intent to get across to the enemy.

....."If they had not boarded him, where would al Qaeda in Yemen be today?"
--If Holland would not have boarded him (because of course they KNEW--in fact, Holland had our 5 watchlists didn't they?)

Al Qaeda's been in Yemen since bin laden became the 17th son.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | January 3, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Let's be real. That Boob Napolitano couldn't find her rear end with both hands behind her while standing in a telephone booth; forget about finding a smoking gun. Brennan is simply following the party line until Obama throws her under the bus.

Posted by: jemvbcarmagh06 | January 3, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

ALL THEY HAD TO DO AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS TAKE THE INFORMATION FROM THE NIGERIAN FATHER, AND THEN RUN ABDULMUTALLAB'S NAME THROUGH THEIR VISA DATABASES TO SEE WHETHER THE SON HAD A U.S. VISA-THAT'S ALL THEY HAD TO DO.

ONCE THEY SAW HE HAD A CURRENT U.S. VISA, THAT HE HAD ALREADY VISITED THE U.S., THEY COULD HAVE REVOKED THE VISA, ASAP, THEN SENT THE INFORMATION OVER TO THE NCTC, SO THAT HIS NAME WOULD BE PUT ON THE "NO FLY" LIST. THE CIA, IN TURN, COULD HAVE FOLLOWED UP WITH ADDITIONAL INQUIRIES FROM WORLD GOVERNMENTS, LIKE THE DERELICT BRITISH, WHO HAD ALL THIS INFO. ON ABDULMUTALLAB AND HIS RADICAL LINKS IN THE U.K. BUT FAILED TO SHARE ANY OF THIS INFORMATION WITH THE U.S. GOVERNMENT COMPONENTS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND INTELLIGENCE.

YEAH, I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF BLAME TO GO AROUND HERE-AND YES, THERE IS A SMOKING GUN BRENNAN.

Posted by: farfalle44 | January 3, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

What, they need "solid evidence" beyond any reasonable doubt that someone is going to blow up a plane before they can put someone through secondary pre-boarding screening? That's what Brennan seems to be saying. Abdulmutallab's father's warning to the US Embassy is one dot. Abdulmutallab on the terror list is another dot. Is it asking our government too much to run these two simple events through a computer and then put this guy on a no-fly list and send it to all the airlines?
What's wrong with this picture?

Posted by: Ozexpatriate | January 3, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse


Impeachbush99 wrote; "I'm taking the train."

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i think i'll walk.

or not go at all.

"say, mister TSA man? you don't need to protect me. i'm fine, thank you. in fact, DON'T protect me. you scare me."

"same for you mister CIA man, and FBI man... you people also scare me. you get a LOT of taxpayer money that is for all your covert activities, yet, you don't seem to know where your car keys are at any given moment."

"please u.s. gov't... i don't need your protection. seriously."

"but if i ever decide i want to get blown up by a terrorist, you guys will be the first i will call to protect me and ensure i do get blown up. you do it so well."

Posted by: AuthoritativeAuthoritarian | January 3, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

No smoking gun? Why we tolerate people like this guy to lie in our face. The very father of this attacker warned the very CIA and they did not even revoked his visa. These people not only should be fired but prosecuted for gross incompetence and for risking innocent Americans and other countries peoples' lives. Enough bull!

Posted by: bluelagoon21 | January 3, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Of course it's nobody's fault. The CIA loves the FBI and they all sing kumbayaa together with the TSA and Homeland Security. The CIA loves the President and loves Democracy and a fair and just trial for all detainees. The CIA are masters of security, just like the Secret Service(their Brethren).

Ha, can the Dems, Obama, Cheney ANYBODY in politics blow any more smoke up our arsses! What fools they take us for.

I'm taking the train.

Posted by: Impeachbush99 | January 3, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse


It's funny that the TSA's error in boarding a passenger who paid cash and checked no bag has now become an al Qaeda threat so dangerous as to close the embassy.

If they had not boarded him, where would al Qaeda in Yemen be today?

Posted by: blasmaic | January 3, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

hziemba wrote:

And even after police arrested the guy on the ground, our "homeland security" establishment didn't see it fit to notify ALL flight crews in the air of what had transpired (not just in-bounds from Europe)! Did it cross anybody's birdbrain that this might not be an isolated case, and that there might be another suicider planning on blowing himself up??

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THEY DIDN'T NEED TO NOTIFY ALL FLIGHT CREWS-CERTAINLY NOT DOMESTIC. THE THREAT IS FROM INBOUND FLIGHTS, ALWAYS FROM INBOUND FLIGHTS-BECAUSE THE TWO SUICIDE BOMBERS-REID AND THE NIGERIAN, AND ALSO REID'S ACCOMPLICE SAAJID BAADAT WHO BACKED OUT AT THE LAST MINUTE-WERE ALL COMING FROM EUROPE. THE USG HAS TO PREPARE BASED ON PRIOR EVENT OUTCOMES AND MODEL THOSE, IN ORDER TO PREPARE AN EFFECTIVE COUNTER-TERRORISM STRATEGY.

THE USG HAS TO PREPARE TO COUNTER A BOJINKA STYLE ATTACK-MULTIPLE ATTACKS AGAINST U.S. AIRLINERS SIMULTANEOUSLY INBOUND TO THE U.S., BECAUSE I'M GREATLY AFRAID ONE IS IN THE PLANNING STAGES BY AQ.

Posted by: farfalle44 | January 3, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Brennan did a good job of shooting off the day's talking points...yes, it was so obvious.

You didn't have to connect too many dots to see this one coming. From what I've heard, this was a Yemeni national, flying on a one-way ticket, purchased with cash, and no checked baggage...all this information available, at least at the ticket counter. Anybody who wouldn't take notice of that and raise a flag, is clearly in the wrong line of work. Throw in the part that a man is flying to Michigan in December, and doesn't have a coat, should set of multiple alarms in someone's head to say: investigate further. That doesn't need any body scanners or additional encroachment of our civil rights...just some common sense.

And even after police arrested the guy on the ground, our "homeland security" establishment didn't see it fit to notify ALL flight crews in the air of what had transpired (not just in-bounds from Europe)! Did it cross anybody's birdbrain that this might not be an isolated case, and that there might be another suicider planning on blowing himself up??

The truth is that the politicians have played on peoples' fears to get BILLIONS of dollars, and trample basic principles like liberty, that this nation was founded on, but are unable to connect the dots that are right in front of them!!

And Napolitano can get on national TV and say that the system worked??
NO IT DIDN'T - not before, and not even after!

People have a right to be mad, and they should be. Yes, people should be fired... many people...and we can start with Napolitano and Brennan.

Posted by: hziemba | January 3, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

RealNews1 wrote; "

Hoax causes for fear;
How many Tanks does Alqeada have? ZERO.
How many planes does Alqeada have? ZERO.
How many Ships does Alqeada have? ZERO.
How many Missiles does Alqeada have? ZERO.
How many Helicopters does Alqeada have? ZERO.
How many Submarines does Alqeada have? ZERO."

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yea... but al-qaeda throws rocks!

really big friggin rocks!

and they have sticks too!

they've been kicking our arses for 8 years now!

YOU go take em on.. mister macho man!

Posted by: AuthoritativeAuthoritarian | January 3, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I MEAN, IF THE FAMILIES OF THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA MEN IN PAKISTAN CAN TELL THE FBI "WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING THERE" -AND THE FBI AND PAKISTANI AUTHORITIES TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION TO FOLLOW UP, WHY WASN'T THE SAME DONE FOR A RESPECTED PROMINENT BANKER FATHER, WHO POINT BLANK TOLD THE CIA AND EMBASSY SECURITY FOLK THAT HIS SON HAD TOLD HIM HE WAS GETTING INVOLVED WITH RADICAL MUSLIMS IN YEMEN? THERE WAS MORE INFORMATION FROM THE NIGERIAN FATHER ON WHAT HIS SON WAS UP TO, AND THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA PARENTS HAD, YET THE INFORMATION SHARING SYSTEM BROKE DOWN BADLY!

AND I THINK THE ODNI SHOULD BASICALLY CEASE TO EXIST-THIS OVERRIDING LAYER OF BUREAUCRACY IS ACTUALLY ACTING TO HARM INFORMATION SHARING WITHIN THE IC, RATHER THAN PROMOTE IT!

Posted by: farfalle44 | January 3, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

i wouldn't say they didn't find 'a smoking gun'....

.. i would say the u.s. "intelligence" didn't find a gun AT ALL.

so, i'm curious. for EVERY flight in the u.s., there is a $5 TSA fee. what is it for, if they can't even find a friggin gun in a gunstore????

maybe the TSA should REFUND every single $5 charge they have tacked on to ever single ticket sold in this country the past few years.

no smoking gun my arse.

they screwed up. period.

Posted by: AuthoritativeAuthoritarian | January 3, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The "smoking gun" was the failure to rescind the visas of all persons appearing on the TIDE list. That would have prevented Abdulmutallab from traveling. The question remains, for how long will the Adminstration let people on the TIDE list retain visas that permit their entry into the US? What will be the excuse when another person on that list SUCCESSFULLY executes an attack on the US? Why has President Obama not immediately directed that the visas be lifted?

Posted by: strategiesinter | January 3, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

This case of an attempted bombing of a US plane over Detroit by a lone Nigerian having stuffed few grams of explosives into his underwear and how the Media in US is reporting it is yet one more example of what a lying, right-wing (war-mongering, fear-mongering) machine the US Media is that it is blowing out of all proportion this absolute nothing of nothing of an event to distract Americans peoples attention from where the real problems in US are which are lack of Universal health care in this country and instead focus it on Hoax causes for fear such as this Bull crap of a lone Nigerian trained by Alqeada is going to get us.

Hoax causes for fear:
1- Communist are going to take over the world, which was proven to have been a LIE
2- If we do not stop North Vietnam from taking over South then Domino effect, which was proven to have been a LIE
3- Endless war with Iraq because they have WMD, which was proven to have been a LIE
3- War on Terror and Alqaeda, ultimate LIE

After all take the never ending fear-mongering by the US Media (aka War profiteers) that Alqaeda is going to get us, thus we need to spend $300Bill extra per year on Military matters to fight the "war on Terror". Really!
How many Tanks does Alqeada have? ZERO.
How many planes does Alqeada have? ZERO.
How many Ships does Alqeada have? ZERO.
How many Missiles does Alqeada have? ZERO.
How many Helicopters does Alqeada have? ZERO.
How many Submarines does Alqeada have? ZERO.
etc. etc. indicating that the fear we need to have from Alqeada should in fact be near ZERO.

I mean if our Lying (right-wing) Media wants us to fear something, then they should write about the at least 50,000 Americans who were KILLED last year due to being DENIED health care because they were ill and were not rich (aka pre-existing condition) who would be living IF they lived in a European country, Canada, Israel, etc. developed nations whom all have Universal nationalized Health Care. You can read more about that here:
http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE58G6W520090918

U can read much more related here:
http://www.anoox.com/blog/real_news.article=37824

Posted by: RealNews1 | January 3, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"Brennan said. "The five guys ... from Northern Virginia. When their parents brought it to the attention of the FBI, that's exactly the way the system should work. We went out there, we contacted the Pakistani authorities. They're currently in prison. And what we're doing is trying to ensure that the system works as well in all these cases as in future events that come up."
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YES, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR, BRENNAN! EXACTLY! WHAT HAPPENED HERE, HUH? THE FATHER OF THE NIGERIAN ATTEMPT BOMBER MET WITH THE CIA AT THE US EMBASSY FOR GOD'S SAKES! HE TOLD YOU! HE TOLD YOU! AND THE EMBASSY NEVER CHECKED ON HIS US VISA, AND THE CIA LET THE REPORT SIT IN A BLACK HOLE IN LANGLEY!

AND IN THE BLAME GAME THAT FOLLOWED-WHAT DID THE DNI, AND CIA, AND STATE SAY? "OH, THE INFORMATION FROM HIS FATHER WASN'T REALLY CONSIDERED SPECIFIC AND CREDIBLE ENOUGH TO DO ANYTHING."

WHAT??????

WHY WAS THIS BRENNAN? RIDDLE US THAT!!!

Posted by: farfalle44 | January 3, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I guess Lieberman and Collins need to get their hearing checked cuz Napolitano never said the system worked entirely, it just worked from the moment the crotch bomber lit his underpants on fire. I hope they have both received ear wax remover as gifts.
And I am more than a little disappointed in both of them playing the incident like true neocon hacks.

Posted by: AverageJane | January 3, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Brennan has such a gaping conflict of interest WRT his heading the internal review of what the intel community did re the attempted bombing of the Northwest Plane. With the CIA 35 years, he was also head of the immediate predecessor the NCTC. Can we expect him to be objective about finding who did what to whom? His appearance today on TV confirms he just can't find fault and hold people accountable. Watch: no one will be fired, and more importantly, the responsibility for the problem will dissolve into the ether. Obama has made a big mistake tolerating Brennan's conflict of interest and those of many other advisers.

Posted by: axolotl | January 3, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Collective bargaining doesn't necessarily equate solely to unions, nor does it need the union to survive. Collective bargaining is a business concept. It is employed by unions as a means to unionize a company, etc. Too many people do equate collective bargaining to unions and that is sad.
Collective bargaining is "the group brings the concerns to the table".
It can operate under other strategic management models. It does not need the union to progress as a concept.

The "systems" of education, airline industry, auto, etc you mention--unionized or not, still need the concept of collective bargaining. It is, in reality, a team concept of bargaining.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | January 3, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"He (Brennan) said there were pieces of information," Kean said. "He's absolutely right, but he's wrong when he says this wasn't like 9/11. Because what we pointed out in the report, again and again, is that there were a lot of pieces of information that, if they'd been put together, then we might have deterred that plot."
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And of course Americans still do not understand that 9/11 was preventable.

One of the hijackers in custody with a record of taking a course in flying a jet airliner with no concern about learning how to land the plane.

No check on other foreign citizens attending flight training in the United States.

Instead of the cost of 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan the United States should have been building the counter terrorist capabilities that are needed.

Under the previous administration the CIA was neutered by a vice president that visited the CIA to intimidate and create fake intelligence to allow for the invasion of Iraq.

America will be unprepared as long as Americans refuse to understand that counter terrorists capabilities in intelligence are needed and not fighting full blown wars overseas.

But this assumes a President that will not follow the foolishness of the Republicans and their war on terror but it already is apparent that this President is all too willing to follow the politics of the Republicans and their war on terror.

Posted by: bsallamack | January 3, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

They did find smoking shorts however.

Posted by: pkhenry | January 3, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Any time anyone buys a one-way ticket with cash has got to raise some eyebrows, especially if that person is going to a country that is not where he or she lives.

That's got to be a smoking gun!

Posted by: tonyjm | January 3, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I want to know what is so darn bad about collective bargaining at the TSA? Maybe we would get some quality.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | January 3, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse


Like the quality of the

Education system
Airlines
Auto industry
Healthcare industry
Like the Post office

I guess you're just an id10t if you can't see the writing on the wall.

Posted by: askgees | January 3, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"No smoking gun." Is this latest Obama homeland security hack for real?

The naivete of this administration is becoming absolutely frightening. They are proving to be a bunch of provincial rubes in a very dangerous and irrational world. G** help us all.


Posted by: pgould1 | January 3, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

cfr666 -

"It's time we stopped pussy-footing around and banned ALL Muslims from entering the US, whether they are citizens or not."

There are a lot of moral and practical considerations why this "solution" is a non-starter.

Let's start with the first problem. How do you determine who is a Muslim and who is not?

Posted by: bobmoses | January 3, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

House Homeland Security Intelligence & Terrorism committee chair Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) said that while she wants to see the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed, she is not sold on releasing any Yemeni detainees at the moment. Still, she added, "If we are going to say we live by the rule of law, we have to apply it to those we detain, both abroad and in America."
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If the "Rule of Law" always worked, there would be no need for war.

War results where:

1. The Rule of Law is ignored,
2. Is inapplicable due to different justice systems that are not reconcilable,
3. Occurs during warfare itself, under some limited circumstances [collateral damage, etc.]
4. Religious and other political forms of governments are seemingly incompatible.

Posted by: brucerealtor@gmail.com | January 3, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

During the Carter years, we had a bunch of losers first take the embassy and then the US Persons inside as hostages.

These folks in the Carter Administration couldn't co-ordinate a "Billy Beer" Party, let alone a rescue effort to recover the hostages.

The Islamic Revolutionary Republic of Iran, couldn't get these fiolks out of the country, fast enough after Ronald Reagan was inaugurated.

These folks only understand one thing, and it isn't, "You have the right to remain silent..," or "Please, take our ships..," to the Somali pirates.

We need a President with gonads, not one who is a shemale and who thinks that he is King of the United States. Communication skills are very important.

It seems President George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe, Theodore Roosevelt and a few others underood this concept and not only had these communication skills, but used them accordingly. Simply put, "Mess with the bull, you get the horns."

Today, we have a "thoughtful person" who occupies the White House. His philosphy is simple, "America, bleed until it hurts, and then, bleed some more."

God Save the United States and the principles upon which we are founded upon. Lord knows, the idiot in the White House doesn't have the courage to order a B-52 strike upon it's enemies and send them to He11, but is willing to sacrifice American lives in its place.

Three years, two weeks and two days to go.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | January 3, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse


I want to know what is so darn bad about collective bargaining at the TSA? Maybe we would get some quality.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | January 3, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TSUmbra | January 3, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TSUmbra | January 3, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

No smoking gun!
It's time we stopped pussy-footing around and banned ALL Muslims from entering the US, whether they are citizens or not. They can go but they can't come back.
Draconian? Absolutely! But I propose a research project: If my 'draconian' suggestion had been put in place after the first World Trade Center bombing, how many lives would have been saved?
And, aside from Oklahoma City and fewer than a handful of others, how many terrorist attacks, successful and unsuccessful, would the US have endured if Mohammed had never lived?
Islam promotes a radical and pathological identity with all other Muslims so that, if anything bad happens to a Muslim anywhere in the world and for any reason, all Muslims experience that as a direct, personal attack and MUST retaliate or, at least, applaud or not criticize any Muslim act of terrorism.
Islam is the only 'belief' that engenders this kind of patholigical response. We may discover, in the future, that attending madrasas actually impairs certain portions of the frontal lobe of the brain.
Finally, is there a Muslim anywhere who would not much prefer to live under a political system dominated by shariah?
I doubt it.

Posted by: cfr666 | January 3, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

So there has to be a "smoking gun" in order for the Obama administration to try and pretent a terrorist attack? Comforting!

"The system worked"
"Let's not jump to conclusions"

Posted by: cschotta1 | January 3, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I saw Brennan on the Sunday talk show circuit. And Chris was on CNN (was great!!!)

Brennan spoke of the Abdulmutallab's father's warning to the US Embassy.
But he didn't talk about how that Embassy Memo got lost when it hit the mainland (think Phoenix Memo).

The issue this has created for the warranted reviews President Obama has called for, is one of process definition. And prcoess definition of high importance across many agencies involved.
But how can one do that when no one talks to one another.
Try telling a CIA agent to share his information with an FBI agent. They look at you dumbfounded.
Why?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | January 3, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

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