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Senate Democrats eye $80B jobs package

Updated 3:51 p.m.
By Ben Pershing
With lawmakers eager to pivot to economic legislation, Senate Democratic leaders have drafted an initial version of an $80 billion-plus job-creation bill that will be heavy on tax breaks designed to spur businesses to make new hires.

On Wednesday, President Obama will lay out his own proposals to boost the economy in his State of the Union address. Obama is expected to call for a freeze on federal spending that is not related to national security, as well as a series of tax cuts and credits that would mostly benefit middle-class families.

The Senate's package is still in the discussion stage, but is developed enough that Democrats hope to have it on the chamber floor in a matter of weeks. The leaders were slated to discuss the measure with their caucus at the party's weekly luncheon Tuesday but ran out of time, and now hope to have a more concrete proposal ready to unveil later this week.

"We're pretty well along," said Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.), who has been leading the bill-crafting process along with Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.). "It's been a long and difficult process but we're pretty well complete in terms of putting together recommendations."

The measure isn't quite finished yet, but sources said the current version would cost just over $80 billion. Though that number may change as the process moves forward, it is clear Senate Democrats have no intention of moving a jobs package as large as the $154 billion measure the House passed in December on a narrow, party-line vote. The House measure included money to extend unemployment benefits and COBRA health insurance coverage, items that aren't in the draft Senate bill but may move in the chamber separately.

"There is 'big bill fatigue' in the Senate right now," said a Senate Democratic aide.

Nearly all of the Senate bill's cost would be offset using unspent bailout funds from the Troubled Asset Relief Program. Republicans have criticized that strategy, arguing that money from the program not intended for its original purpose should be returned to the Treasury.

"If you were serious about paying down the federal debt, one way to do that would be to ensure that as moneys are paid back into the TARP account, that they're used to retire the federal debt," said Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.).

A primary goal of the Senate bill will be to encourage employers to add to their job rolls. "We are looking at a form of wage tax credits that would provide an incentive to put people back to work more quickly," Dorgan said.

Obama has also called for small businesses to receive tax credits for adding new employees, and the idea is broadly popular among Senate Democrats. But it remains unclear how exactly such a plan would work and how it could be administered to ensure it isn't abused by companies. Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and Sens. Robert Casey (D-Pa.) and Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) have been crafting a proposal they hope will solve those potential problems.

Beyond that proposal, the Senate measure is expected to include other credits targeted at small businesses. The bill will feature billions of dollars for new infrastructure projects and clean energy programs, possibly including a "cash for caulkers" plan that would give individuals cash to buy energy-efficient appliances and weatherize their homes. The measure will also include aid to state governments to help prevent layoffs of vital public employees like teachers and firefighters.

Senate leaders hope to bring the measure up for consideration soon, particularly given the health-care reform effort remains stalled for the moment.

"Within the next two to three weeks would be my hope, but the floor of the Senate is a rather unpredictable place these days," Dorgan said.

By Ben Pershing  |  January 26, 2010; 11:12 AM ET
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Nancy Pelosi, et al, could do wonders in creating or should I say 'returning' many jobs to the people who lost their jobs at Pelosi's hand this year as she shut off the water supply to CA's Valley farmers. Yes, Nancy Pelosi was so concerned about a minnow fish being caught in the pipelines supplying water to the fields of the many farmers in the Valley. By cutting off the water supply to save the stupid fish, Pelosi caused hundreds of farmers and their Hispanic workers to go out of business. These once productive fields are now dust bowls, whereas they they had previously provided the better percentage of vegetables of the whole United States. Now, our vegetables come from foreign countries.

Nancy Pelosi and her stupid, ignorant EPA friends needs to lose their funding immediately.

Posted by: prossers7 | January 26, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

enuf wrote: "When will these people realize that businesses will hire when they have a reasonable expectation that they will see demand for their product, and they will see demand when consumer confidence goes up. None of this will happen through tax reduction. As a matter of fact, tax reductions will be pocketed in this environment. Effect = 0."
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You are correct sir. Any questions?

Posted by: boomer131 | January 26, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"He may fool some of us some of the time but not all of us all of the time"

He doesn't have to fool all of us all of the time; apparently many (such as the author of the quoted line) are already fools!

Posted by: joeboe1 | January 26, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Oveyfan -- This is the last response I can make today.
Let me just note that your account of the New Deal rewrites history. I know there's a concerted effort by a few rogue right wingers to downplay FDR's role. But almost every serious historian disagrees. For one example, just look how his actions helped deeply cut unemployment from 25%.
We could get into more details, re how the recovery stalled when FDR in his second term followed the advice of conservatives and focused on cutting the deficit instead of working on jobs (sound familiar?).
But enough said. Talk to some real historians, not right wing apologists.

Your praises to unrestrained free enterprise also miss how FDR, and more recently, the hated "bailouts," helped save capitalism. Without the addition of quick federal action and new financial regulations in the 30s, we would have kept having more Great Depressions as a result of markets spinning wildly out of control. Then history repeated itself, when more recent deregulation helped lead to panic and the edge of disaster in 07 and 08 before the unpleasant but essential federal intervention.

You also seem to miss how the federal help for roads etc which you questions puts money in the pockets of businesses as well as workers.

I hope the GOP makes these kinds of arguments. Americans don't want to let big business run wild or give up the small protections they've obtained. Just try it and the GOP will be a minority longer than it was in the post-Hoover era.
Have fun with that!

Posted by: tmginnova | January 26, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Dear tmginnova -
If you look at what really happened in 1929, yes, the stock market crashed leading to a recession. It was on it's way to recovery when FDR stepped in to "fix" it. He started spending tons of government (read taxpayer) money for government sponsored jobs. These jobs were not created in free enterprise, so there was no wealth created. When the projects were completed, the jobs disappeared because they were not sustainable jobs. This is what caused the Great Depression.
Now, I am not saying that these projects were wastes of money, the Hoover Dam, the highway system and other projects were very good for the country. But what I am saying is that if they had been completed by free enterprise, then there would have been wealth created which in turn would have led to future projects and work.
A couple of notes on government services: A lot of the government services you mention are valuable: interstate highways, social security, pollution controls, unemployment. But great universities? Why should this be a government function?
And by the way, how is it that the US can afford all of the anti-pollution measures, and donate hundreds of millions of dollars to places like Haiti and countries like China and Venezeula can't? Because the cornerstone of America is individual liberty which leads to the free enterprise which leads to wealth accumulation. When free people are in charge, they create wealth which they can use to clean up after themselves, and help others, and create advances such as NASA and the internet, and medical research. When government is in control, no wealth is created out side of the government and these advanced do not happen.

Posted by: OveyFan | January 26, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The President, Democratic Senate and Congress spent time running up hugh deficits, trying to muscle in a health plan not favored by the public, failing to bring closure to the war in Iraq, starting a new war in Afghanistan while neglecting the needs ot the American public---the economy and unemployment. It took the election of Senator Brown to put an end to the pie-in-the-sky thinking.

On Wednesday Evening President Obama, the great vacillator, in his State-of-the-Union Speech will throw out a few dried bones to the Public. He just does not get it. He may fool some of us some of the time but not all of us all of the time.

Posted by: osramirez | January 26, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The DJ and Consumer Confidence were High on False pretenses: Fake money and Derivatives instead of Real Manufacturing and Production: Wall Street illusion of Wealth as a temporary condition similar to Red Bull versus Five Hour Energy.

For true long term growth we need to produce, manufacture, and export. Right Wingers need to get out of the way while we create the Jobs and Industries of the Future. You can support mining for Coal but do it without poisoning our water and air. In the meantime we can put farmers to work and create more Jobs replacing Coal with Torrefactioned Biomass that has the energy density and moisture resistance of Coal without the Waste. We can put people to work, create more industries, become energy independent, improve our national security and lead the world in energy efficiency and manufacturing technology and export those products we build, and not just the ideas and technologies.

Posted by: liveride | January 26, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

We don't need a bloated jobs bill that likely wont work. What we need are a return of our trade tariffs to put an end to job and factory outsourcing and to encourage those jobs already outsourced to return. Couple this with punitive taxes on investments AND INVESTORS that have outsourced jobs to get some of those 41 million jobs outsourced since we embarked upon this free trade disaster and we can regain our dignity and strength as a nation. Fail to do that and we will experience a series of disruptions, violence and human misery that will end this nation.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | January 26, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Oveyfan gives it away: some right wingers really think the country was prosperous until 1931 (um, I seem to remember a stock market crash and the beginning of the great Depression in that period).
By implication, they want to undo the New Deal and the Great Society.

OK, so, if you want to get rid of:
Social Security,
unemployment insurance,
Medicare,
and presumably such other horrible government programs as:
the Interstate Highway System,
NASA,
the internet (developed by Fed gov money), national parks,
limits on air pollution,
civil rights and voting rights,
great universities,
research on cancer,
etc, etc,
then by all means vote Republican (and the US can be just like Guatemala or and other 3rd world countries without government services).

Posted by: tmginnova | January 26, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Congress will be voting on a job creation program, or a "stimulus package." What year is this? We went through this already, did'nt we? 2013 is getting so far away...... [Sigh]

Posted by: CubsFan | January 26, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

ad4hk2004 Wrote:
Now JOBS: There will be none, nada, zip, zilch...

It is essentially impossible to manufacture anything in this country... The government, local, state, and federal is malignantly hostile to manufacturing and has spent decades enacting laws making it illegal...

The instant you try to open a factory, screaming hordes of inspectors, tax boards,zoning inspectors, air quality inspectors, union pickets (paid to be there)OSHA, EPA, DNR, and initials beyond enumeration, will fall upon you and eviscerate your innards... By the time they are done the cost of making your product vastly exceeds what the market will pay... There will be no new jobs beyond wiping tables at Wendys and being a greeter at Wallmart... None...

dr. o

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I've just got to say you've hit the nail on the head! Everyone, Please press your representatives to take the load off the employer's back so that American's can work again.

Posted by: AForgottenMan | January 26, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

As usual, government thinks they are the solution. They just have to spend a whole bunch of taxpayer money and everything will be solved.
Look at what happened during the Bush administration up through the fall of 2006. The Dow Jones average was around 14,000. Unemployment was low, consumer confidence was high and business was good. Then came the mid-term elections of 2006, and the liberals took over control of the House and Senate. The stock market went down, unemployment went up and consumer confidence went down. Also, the Barney Frank/Chris Dodd plan to require banks to lend money to people who could not afford the mortgages (which was started in the mid-90's under Clinton, and which Bush said was a problem) became the cornerstone of the current recession. The current liberal plan to cope with this recession looks like the FDR plan which led to the Great Depression of the 1930's.
The best thing that government can do is to get out of the way of American's freedom and let the people make this land prosperous as they did from 1776 through 1931.

Posted by: OveyFan | January 26, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

As an independent voting veteran who has served my country with blood, here’s what I see:

• Republicans don't want TARP Big Bank money going to businesses to create Jobs and Employment.

• Republicans don't want America to be Energy Independent from The Middle East,

• Republican's don't want Health Care Reform like people in Massachusetts have,

• Republican’s don't want America to create the Renewable Energy and Jobs of the future.

• Republican’s don't want Americans to have strong National Security through Economic and Energy Security.

• Republican’s don’t want to honor the sacrifices of our military Men and Women by creating Jobs at home so they can be employed upon their return.

• Republicans only want power, they want it now, they created the High Unemployment situation and want to keep Americans Unemployed and as Slaves to Big Oil and Coal companies which line their Pockets and Election coffers.

The Ignorance of “Askgees” and his illogic that illustrates both a lack of education and common sense is typical of the Bush and Cheney era mismanagement as they were asleep at the wheel when it mattered most, Squandered hundreds of Billions of taxpayer dollars while giving an equal amount as tax breaks to the wealthy, encouraged a political partisan hiring and promotion practices and did more to divide our country than unite it. We veterans who have put our lives on the line for the benefit of our country are here to insure it never happens again and we will build a better future, stronger nation, economic and national security based on facts and actions and not the loud mouth bumbling ramblings of the ignorant.

Posted by: liveride | January 26, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Here is how to create jobs without spending a dime. Make the banks cahnge the way they lend money for home sales and refinanaces. Currently, they do a market appraisal of home sales in the area taking into account foreclosure and short sales. This is not a true eval of the homes. If they would come up with a new method ofr discount these foreclosures, it would give a true valuation of the home. Then folks would be able to sell their homes without bring extra money to closing. If the housing market takes off, jobs would be created not only for building homes but manufacturing in support of home building. The banks won't do it on their own even after we bailed them out. The govt will have to force the issue.
Posted by: Fonz | January 26, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse
LOL Great plan. But this one’s better. How about you take a pay cut, let’s say 3 dollars. If every emp. takes a pay cut then they can hire 1-2 new employees. Sure it sounds like a bad idea because you have to play a part in the recovery. But you feel its ok for the banks/mortgage companies to sell their property for less than it’s worth. LIB T@RDS are a crazy bunch. Always willing to spend other peoples money.

Posted by: askgees | January 26, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Thank you to the hard working officials that are trying their best in a tough situation and tough political climate, to do good things for our country.

Posted by: whitey3doc31 | January 26, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

so unemployment would have been 15% or higher if not for stimulus? And how many of those were full time vs part time? long term vs short term? The auto industry got a boost and the bankers/wall street people got a boost(and huge bonus money) without any rules... Meanwhile, most americans are still waiting for that stimulus... Even Bill Gates mentioned it's going to get worse and could take 3-5 years to see a recovery.

Posted by: larry40 | January 26, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

To those who keep claiming the initial stimulus bill was a failure and created no jobs, is it too much to ask for some actual, say, facts? (And I don't mean right wing press releases.)

I'll give you some facts:

The Pulitzer Prize winning FactCheck.org looked at this last month and ended up siding with the CBO, the respected, nonpartisan Congressional Budget Offices (whose numbers are used by both parties). Here's what CBO found:

" [I]n the third quarter of calendar year 2009, an additional 600,000 to 1.6 million people were employed in the United States, and real (inflation-adjusted) gross domestic product was 1.2 percent to 3.2 percent higher, than would have been the case in the absence of ARRA [i.e., the stimulus bill]."

Posted by: tmginnova | January 26, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"It's easy--balance the budget and that will solve the problem just like ordinary folks do."

So let's raise taxes to increase federal revenue. That's unpopular and we can't do that in a recession because it would cut into business profits and consumer incomes thereby decreasing overall spending and causing more unemployment.

So Let's cut taxes. That's popular but increases the deficit by decreasing the federal government's revenue.

So let's cut federal spending. That's popular but it may cause millions to lose jobs in those sectors targeted for cuts--don't cut my job. That would decrease the taxes those people paid to the government, increase government assistance to the newly unemployed, and thereby increase the deficit.

So let's cut spending and increase taxes to balance the budget--no chance.

Do most people understand that spending and investment are different? Investing means spending now for a return in the future and Congress and the President working together should be able to figure out the best industries to give tax breaks to--alternative energy, new schools, infrastructure that badly needs restoration, etc.?

Spending on maintaining present priorities will not bring a return on investment and benefit the future.

Posted by: CJfromPA | January 26, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

This is so predictable. The Senate looks at ways to help American businesses hire, and also build some bridges and schools in the process, and in the comments we get the usual right wing objections about debt and bureaucracy. Sigh.
Look, we tried 8 years of "free market" worship and deregulation under Bush, and we got a net decline in income for most Americans and the deepest economic crisis in 80 years. And as an added bonus he turned Clinton's budget surplus into huge mounds of debt.
By the way, most analyses of our current deficit attribute the bulk of it to irresponsible policies of the Bush years (whose effect go on even after he's back in Texas) and the recession he passed on to his successor.
The GOP has no credibility talking about these issues. They should go away and get back to book burning and the other stuff they're so good at.

Posted by: tmginnova | January 26, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Here is how to create jobs without spending a dime. Make the banks cahnge the way they lend money for home sales and refinanaces. Currently, they do a market appraisal of home sales in the area taking into account foreclosure and short sales. This is not a true eval of the homes. If they would come up with a new method ofr discount these foreclosures, it would give a true valuation of the home. Then folks would be able to sell their homes without bring extra money to closing. If the housing market takes off, jobs would be created not only for building homes but manufacturing in support of home building. The banks won't do it on their own even after we bailed them out. The govt will have to force the issue.

Posted by: Fonz | January 26, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

That Wrentham pick-up guy about to take the senate seat of the late Sen. Kennedy must have lit a fire under the seat of Sen. Reid and cronies. So, now that their imperative social healthcare reform is asunder they will try to endear themselves to the middle-class. Last I look the debt ceiling is $14 trillion and climbing and now this. Obama is about to sell himself to the middle-class as being for them. He was not before and he will never be. But having deluded himself that he is smarter than anyone around he is going to try. Any moron can spend someone else's money freely and this President, and this Congress, is giving that moron a run for his money.

Posted by: usnret742w4 | January 26, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Good. But, more taxpayers' money than this just "walked away" in the form of stolen cash in the rat hole of Iraq.

Posted by: Jihm | January 26, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Well, as a proposal, at least it is a start... I will, of course, believe it when I see it...

Now JOBS: There will be none, nada, zip, zilch...

It is essentially impossible to manufacture anything in this country... The government, local, state, and federal is malignantly hostile to manufacturing and has spent decades enacting laws making it illegal...

The instant you try to open a factory, screaming hordes of inspectors, tax boards,zoning inspectors, air quality inspectors, union pickets (paid to be there)OSHA, EPA, DNR, and initials beyond enumeration, will fall upon you and eviscerate your innards... By the time they are done the cost of making your product vastly exceeds what the market will pay... There will be no new jobs beyond wiping tables at Wendys and being a greeter at Wallmart... None...

dr. o

Posted by: ad4hk2004 | January 26, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

The last stimulus bill gave California $18 Billion to "create" 110,185 jobs, that's $168,216 per job. Wow, can the Government spend money wisely? If my company did that, we would be out of business in a heartbeat.

This is a joke.

Balance the budget. Cut spending. Reduce debt. That's what the rest of America has been doing in this crisis.

Posted by: redduke | January 26, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

One day they talk fiscal responsibility, the next day they want to spend $80B. They continue to view Americans as stupid. If they need $80B, redirect the remaining stimulus funds to support these efforts. I doubt many Americans felt the initial $800B plan, sold as a dire necessity, was to be spent over 3 years. Just another lie from an administration that gave us "jobs saved"....silly Americans will believe anything.

Posted by: Tostitos | January 26, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Heaven knows, the capitalist ways of the previous eight years set up the economy so well, we simply have to return to that way of handling things. It's only Rush (ah er, Right, yes, that's the way).

Given the decades long mishandling of the US economy by not only various administrations (including Democratic administrations), and Congress (including Republican congresses), AND the general population, and businesses, it really makes a LOT of sense to expect a quick solution (as in a year or less) -- NOT.

Government policy and programs are but a small piece of the puzzle AND only a small piece of the solution.

I think the ongoing partisan efforts out there are seeking largely only to fix blame (and always 'the other guy'), and not to engage in a search toward crucial problem solving.


"Amazing! Democrats using the "tax cut" phrase, small business, jobs, all in the same paragraph. The next thing you know they will be touting capitalism as a wayt to save our economy...no! tell me it isn't so, the socialist are, moving right.

Oh well, they will make it appear so until after the November elections and then they will go back to their socialists ways."

Posted by: Barry8 | January 26, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"Democrats craft $80 Billion dollar jobs bill that will be heavy on tax breaks designed to spur businesses to make new hires"

But where will the money actually be going? To the corporations!

More corporate welfare!

Everything for the rich, corporations, & the government. Little or nothing for average Americans.

Our utterly corrupt & abusive government at work!

Posted by: book134 | January 26, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

If the TARP funds had been given to taxpayers who earned less than $125K in the form of tax-free rebates of $15K we could have avoided the job losses, foreclosures and bankruptcies as people would have paid their bills and kept consuming thus keeping taxes flowing to local and state governments.

But rather that prevent suffering at the bottom of the economy both parties voted to give our tax dollars to cover the losses of the financial "geniuses" who gambled with mom and pops retirements. Nothing "trickles down" in the economy; it gets sucked, or in this case thrown, to the top where it sticks.

Both parties are playing us for suckers on behalf of their weathy, corporate contributors while pandering to our better and worst sides. It's long past time that we stop voting for anyone with an "R" or a "D" following their name and vote for the independant candidate who is neither wealthy nor politically connected whose campaign is funded by small contributions from familiy and friends.

In light of the recent supreme court decision we should start this November as the uber-wealthy and corporations, both domestic and foreign, will be spending billions to buy elections for the candidates in their pockets.

Posted by: bfjackjernigan | January 26, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

They're out of there ever lovin' minds! Is there anyone in Government with one whit of intelligence?

Posted by: sandynh | January 26, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

When will these people realize that businesses will hire when they have a reasonable expectation that they will see demand for their product, and they will see demand when consumer confidence goes up. None of this will happen through tax reduction. As a matter of fact, tax reductions will be pocketed in this environment. Effect = 0

Posted by: enuf | January 26, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

This is Stimulous Bill Part Two.

Even as Obama announces in his State of the Union speech today that he will freeze spending on everything except for defense and foreign aid, which will save a miniscule $250 billion, he throws away another $80 billion on Stimulous Bill Part Two.

The liberals are enthusiastic because they get to pay off their friends and supporters with sweet deals again as they did with the Stimulous Bill.

The first Stimulous Bill created absolutely NO jobs.
It was simply a big giveaway program for the Democrats.
It warmed them up for the bribes given to Democrats in the senate in order to persuade them to vote for the toxic Obamacare.

Obama, and the Democrats, just love spending YOUR pay check.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | January 26, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Of course we should trust the hapless democrats to "create jobs". I mean they did so well the last time around.

Here are the job losses anounced today, another 60,400 unsaved and uncreated.

The Ticker
Job Cuts Get Brutal: Sprint, Pfizer, Home Depot, Caterpillar
ShareComment Print By Kirk Shinkle

Posted: January 26, 2009

The job loss tally so far today: 54,500. Cuts are coming across industries as further weakness in the economy keeps major employers slashing away.

On the same day it agreed to buy rival drugmaker Wyeth, Pfizer said it would cut 15 percent from its combined workforce (that's a bit less than 19,500 jobs). Meanwhile, Caterpillar is faring poorly in the global recession. It's cutting its workforce by 20,000 including 11 percent of its workforce, or 12,000 jobs, and 8,000 contractors. Home Depot, a lingering victim of the downturn in both consumer spending and housing, said it would slash another 7,000 jobs as it shutters its high-end EXPO business. And finally, Sprint Nextel is eliminating 14 percent of its workforce, or 8,000 jobs.

Update: Add another 6,000 to the tally above. Philips Electronics is cutting too.


http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/the-ticker/2009/01/26/job-cuts-get-brutal-sprint-pfizer-home-depot-caterpillar

Posted by: robtr | January 26, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Another $90 Billion jobs bill on top of the initial $1 Trillion stimulus jobs bills of which only half has been spent and talks of yet another stimulus bill????

Crooks attempting to destroy the country!!!

Posted by: fury60 | January 26, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The ones to whom the tax breaks likely not go will be the ones who are the engines of our economy...the small business owner and entrepreneur.

In the Washington world, only those who can afford to donate to the campaigns and parties get the breaks.

The rest of the nation gets broken.

Posted by: Crmudgeon | January 26, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

When the going gets tough...

The Dems spend money.

Posted by: edbyronadams | January 26, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Wait, we said stop bashing bush

now some lunatic is blaming nixon?!?

please I liked carter, still do.

He was a wonderful nuclear engineer... not so much leader of the most powerful nation in the world.

You cannot really defend the man's actions, can you? Defend the man, sure, he's a great man.... perhaps worst major "leader" I have seen/heard of/studied

Posted by: docwhocuts

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The parallels between Nixon/Carter and W. Bush/Obama are striking. One almost has to wonder if McCain brought in Palin to tank the election and regroup the party in 4 years. As we were standing looking into the abyss I wasn't the first to think how long will it take us to get back on track....

I sure wasn't thinking that it would take a year.

Posted by: theobserver4 | January 26, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope none of the $80 billion goes to firms that haven't paid their US income taxes.

Posted by: WillSeattle | January 26, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

$80B for the American worker? That's IT? How much did Congress and the President fork over to their buddies on Wall Street?

Posted by: WildBill1 | January 26, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

The Senate effort looks like an extension of Murphy's Laws to the legislative process. What's so complicated about encouraging job creation? Cut the corporate tax rate (preferably to Zero) and thereby reduce business operating costs significantly. Sounds like real STIMULUS to me and oh-so-easy to implement. Unfortunately, such simplicity is a lost art for the present Washington crowd.

Posted by: lja193481 | January 26, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Amazing! Democrats using the "tax cut" phrase, small business, jobs, all in the same paragraph. The next thing you know they will be touting capitalism as a wayt to save our economy...no! tell me it isn't so, the socialist are, moving right.

Oh well, they will make it appear so until after the November elections and then they will go back to their socialists ways.

Posted by: staterighter | January 26, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

More ObamaFAIL. How about some public works projects like solar fields, wind farms, and PUBLIC TRANSIT.

There's a Metro system right here in DC in need of massive upgrade which could put a couple thousand people to work immediately if you had the political courage to fight for it.

Posted by: anarcho-liberal-tarian | January 26, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

This is NOTHING more than vote buying. They need to STOP spending and start cutting. Cutting programs, cutting taxes on the citizens and cutting taxes on businesses and jobs will follow.
THEY STILL DON'T GET IT!!!!!

Posted by: mckzoo | January 26, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

•Republicans don't was TARP Big Bank money going to businesses to create Jobs and Employment.
REALLY AND WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH THIS FROM? BUSH 6% - OBUMBLER 10.8 AND STILL LYING TO THE PEOPLE.
•Republicans don't want America to be Energy Independent from The Middle East,
IF YOU’RE REFERRING TO FANTASIES LIKE WIND AND SOLAR THEN YOU ARE CORRECT. IT’S ALL BS AND CANNOT FUEL A COUNTRY LIKE THE USA NOT TO MENTION THAT IT’S THE DIMS THAT HAVE PROBLEMS ALLOWING THE OIL COMPANINES TO DRILL IN THE US. GET AN EDUCATION.
•Republican's don't want Health Care Reform like people in Massachusetts have,
MASS. HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS BROKE. MASS IS BROKE HENCE THE ELECTION OF A REP. DID YOU KNOW IF COUNTRIES LIKE FRANCE THE STATE/GOV. OWNS THE HOSPITALS ETC. AND THE DOCTORS AND STAFF ARE PAID BY THE STATE/GOV. THE US GOV/PEOPLE DON’T OWN ANY HOSPITALS OTHER THAN VA HOSPITALS AND THE DOCTORS DO NOT WORK FOR THE STATE/GOV. SO A PUBLIC OPTION IS NOT POSSIBLE. IS THIS TO HARD FOR ID10T’S LUIKE YOU TO FIGURE OUT.

•Republican don't want America to create the Renewable Energy and Jobs of the future.
HERE WE GO AGAIN. ANOTHER 20 SOMETHING ID10T WHO THINKLS THEY HAVE IT ALL FIGURED OUT. IT’S A PROVEN FACT THAT THE SOCALLED GREEN ENERGY COSTS JOBS. ONCE AGAIN, GET AN EDUCATION.
•Republican don't want Americans to have strong National Security through Economic and Energy Security.
TOO STUP1D TO ADDRESS.
•Republicans only want power, they want it now, they created the High Unemployment situation and want to keep Americans Unemployed and as Slaves to Big Oil and Coal companies which line their Pockets and Election coffers.
AND YET THE WELFARE PARTY (DEMOCRATS) FOUGHT AGAINST EQUAL RIGHTS FOR WOMEN AND AFRICAN AMERICANS. AS I SAID GETY AN EDUCATION. IT’S SAD TO THINK WE HAVE THIS MANY UNEDUCATED RUBES IN THE US TODAY. YESTERDAY I WAS ARGUING WITH A 20 SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY THOUGHT GERMANY BOMBED PEARL HARBOR. PATHETIC. AND THANKS TO THESE BRAIN DEAD WANNA BE A PART OF SOME MOVEMENT 20 SOMETHINGS WE HAVE OBUMBLER. IF ALL GOES RIGHT HE’LL DESTROY ANY CHANCE AT A FUTURE FOR THESE ID10T’S. THINK OF THE IRONY. LOL
Posted by: liveride | January 26, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: askgees | January 26, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Excellent idea. I hope they have the guts to pass it.

The GOP will, of course, shout deficit, but I am always reminded--There were two presidents in my lifetime who incurred more debt than all the presidents who had come before them did counted together. Those two presidents were Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.

I find the GOP hypocritical when they always shout "deficit" when the money is going to the middle class, but then bankrupt the country during their own terms to funnel money to the rich, the huge corporations and the bonus-rich CEOs.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | January 26, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

•Republicans don't was TARP Big Bank money going to businesses to create Jobs and Employment.

•Republicans don't want America to be Energy Independent from The Middle East,

•Republican's don't want Health Care Reform like people in Massachusetts have,

•Republican don't want America to create the Renewable Energy and Jobs of the future.

•Republican don't want Americans to have strong National Security through Economic and Energy Security.

•Republicans only want power, they want it now, they created the High Unemployment situation and want to keep Americans Unemployed and as Slaves to Big Oil and Coal companies which line their Pockets and Election coffers.

Posted by: liveride | January 26, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Borrow $80 billion from China.
Give money to voters.
Let kids and grandkids pay the bill.
Repeat until bankrupt.

Posted by: win_harrington | January 26, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Wait, we said stop bashing bush

now some lunatic is blaming nixon?!?

please I liked carter, still do.

He was a wonderful nuclear engineer... not so much leader of the most powerful nation in the world.

You cannot really defend the man's actions, can you? Defend the man, sure, he's a great man.... perhaps worst major "leader" I have seen/heard of/studied

Posted by: docwhocuts | January 26, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I did not see any tax CUTS mentioned in this piece. I saw tax "credits", which is not a cut at all but a welfair payment. Cut business taxes and cut them to the bone... and you will see jobs come back.

Tax credits are bad because it is more spending dressed us like a tax cut... it is a way to fool the public.

Stop taking money from the people who make the real jobs and you will see the jobs come back.

Green jobs are government jobs.... government jobs equals more federal spending... Green jobs will not save our economy, real jobs in the private sector is the only thing that will save our economy.

Cut taxes. Forget tax credits and do it right.

Posted by: markandbeth92 | January 26, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: knjincvc | January 26, 2010 12:39 PM
You must be too young to remember what condition the economy was in when Jimmy Carter took office in 1976.
Do some research... Nixon's wage and price freeze, Arab oil embargo, oil permanently doubled in price, going off the gold standard, Ford's WIN (Whip Inflation Now!),
VIET NAM WAR ENDS inflation sky rockets, unemployment skyrockets, interest rates
In actuality when Carter left office the economy was starting to improve, unfortunately Reagan spent the next 8 years leading the USA down the trickle down path and left office with a $4.5 trillion dollar debt.

What day was Regan sworn in?

The Iran hostage crisis was a diplomatic crisis between Iran and the United States where 53 Americans were held hostage for 444 days from November 4, 1979 to January 20, 1981

Posted by: AForgottenMan | January 26, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't Obama and his lap dogs in Congress do this in the first place, instead of blowing a trillion on "stimulus"?

Out with them all in 2010/12. I'm tired of being treated like the village idiot by that bunch of high stepping, high spending morons

Posted by: SUBLIMEWOODY | January 26, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I guess after Obama gave Wall Street and corporations a couple of trillion dollars, he can throw a couple of billion our way... in the form of dollars to corporations, of course. That should take care of it.

Posted by: geezjan | January 26, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

When one has painted oneself into a corner, as the Democrats have, the last thing one needs is more paint.

It's crystal clear that Democrats are going to be doing their frenetic best to make things WORSE for themselves in the mid-term elections.

What's next after this "Son-of-Stimulus" ?

Amnesty for illegals and raising energy costs ?
.

Posted by: gitarre | January 26, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

What's the difference between a tax break and a tax cut?

.... well.....

a tax break is the govt giving you money back

a tax cut is the govt letting you keep money you already deserve

Think the difference isn't important?

sad for you

Posted by: docwhocuts | January 26, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

"We were here in 1980, after Jimmy Carter!"

You must be too young to remember what condition the economy was in when Jimmy Carter took office in 1976.
Do some research... Nixon's wage and price freeze, Arab oil embargo, oil permanently doubled in price, going off the gold standard, Ford's WIN (Whip Inflation Now!),
VIET NAM WAR ENDS inflation sky rockets, unemployment skyrockets, interest rates sky,

In actuality when Carter left office the economy was starting to improve, unfortunately Reagan spent the next 8 years leading the USA down the trickle down path and left office with a $4.5 trillion dollar debt.

Posted by: knjincvc | January 26, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse


This Bill is nothing but PORK, PORK, PORK, PORK, PORK.....When has a democrat ever created a job???? ROFLOLOLOLOLOL....

Posted by: charko825 | January 26, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Does this include the tax breaks for weatherizing homes? That would put people to work from the contractor/construction sector (one of the worst hit) AND save people energy AND help slow global warming.

Win-win-win propositions give more bang for the buck, recall.

Posted by: B2O2 | January 26, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

We don't need Billions to create jobs,we need to stop the bleeding of our MFG jobs to foreign countries. This has been going on for over 40 years(look around any state SEE the closed factories) wake up & change the Tariffs that were changed in the 70's we just want our jobs back (not RETRAINED )

Posted by: littleugh | January 26, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I have one simple question:

How can this proposal of cutting business's taxes help unemployment when 68% of American businesses do not pay Federal taxes?

Posted by: francis4 | January 26, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have no position to criticize any strategy whatsoever. Their careless financial and administrative blunders in the past which, in my opinion, was very un-American, more than borders on criminal. How can they comment or attempt to argue about money from the TARP, a program they created and Democratic Whitehouse had to live with, as well as, see it through to completion, administratively?

So, they want to talk about intent? The original TARP program was vague on purpose. It was poorly constructed regarding guidelines and policy toward banks, it was window dressing, basically it had none.

The Republican Administration didn't have any stringent criteria and/or strong measures for banks to apply for or in returning the money barrowed from TARP, back to Treasury. So, you want to establish a mandate NOW? Not.

They (Republicans) have always lacked the ability to analyze or reason. We will not comment on their ability to make sound judgements.

Posted by: carterassociates | January 26, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

American's if you want some real solutions demand our so called representatives to undo years of piling regulations on the backs of employers! They don’t understand that by making employers jump through government hoops that they push employers away. We also need to get tough on frivolous law suits. These solutions don’t hurt the budget and would have any immediate positive effect on employment. Some may say that it’s not fair for Americans work in conditions less regulated by our government but I submit that it’s better to have people working.

Posted by: AForgottenMan | January 26, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Like the other things that they try to do and fail at, the government cannot create jobs. Where are these morons going to get the $80 billion? Unless they can conjure up a new source that exists by being taxed, it's going to come from us. If you borrow and spend $80 billion this month, you can have a gay old time. Next month, when you have to pay the $80 billion back plus interest, things will turn from gay to grim and you will be worse off than you were in the first place.

A free market exists because the population has money and is free to spend it on what it wants. Companies prosper and hire people by making what the population wants. If you want the population to have money to support a free market and create jobs, stop taxing them, stop spending, and stop regulating the free market so that the people can buy what they want..

Obama's suggestion that companies get tax credits to hire people to do god knows what is especially amusing. There has to be a demand for products and services before there is a demand for people to produce those products and services. In order for there to be a demand for anything, the population has to have money.

Posted by: websmith1 | January 26, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

We need a jobs program that inspires. One that is led by small businesses because they have proven to be the real engine in America. We need a jobs program that can be applied uniformly across the country, one that moves us into more and better jobs for the future like the damns and roads projects that we had in the 1930s.

We need a jobs program that is focused and understandable, with well training thousands to run natural gas stations and to convert current gas cars to Natural gas cars and to build those 100,000 Natural gas stations across the nation, is all of that, and it moves this nation away from all the conflicts in the middle east. Let's face it we are there because of oil if we don't need oil we don't have to fight the world’s battles for it.

And finally we get to keep all our energy money here if we are using Natural gas produced here, and that means it get recycled again and again up to 20 time more in our country leading to an economic boom like we have never seen.

This is the win win win win. Why are our people in the congress so darn blind, why are we so silent. Email your congressman, the president, your govenors today. Lets rise up and make it happen. This is the real cure all, the real boom, the real jobs remedy

Posted by: vonpfahl | January 26, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

davemichelle09 posted January 26, 2010 11:48 AM |
"They (Dems) will screw around and screw this up long enough to finally come around to understand that the "Reagan Way" is the only way to bring a country out of a deep recession! You just have to wonder where they are getting their friggin ideas from!
Tax cuts, not credits are what will spur business owners to hire!"

Yeah the Reagan way ... let's see you raise taxes on the middle class by raising social security taxes, to save social security, then you borrow the money from social security to give tax cuts to the wealthy and the best part is you borrow money from China and leave office with a $4.5 TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT! Yeah the Reagan way is still the best.

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Posted by: knjincvc | January 26, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

The bill will also feature billions of dollars for new infrastructure projects and clean energy programs, as well as aid to state governments to help prevent layoffs of public employees.
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What!!! Not again! why can't the Demos just stop their stupid wastefull spending!

More payoffs to the Unions, and more of OUR tax money protecting government employees!

Shouldn't we be simply cutting everyones taxes and cutting government spending? And if that means government employee layoffs, too bad.

Join the rest of us. We don't have the luxury of a "job for life".

The Demos just can't help themselves... even when the writing on the wall is in BOLD.

Posted by: Davidsonville | January 26, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

And just where are we supposed to find these jobs ?


Advice ?

Look where ?

Tim Miltz

Posted by: ItsGlobalismHereOnOut | January 26, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

What kind of deal does Nebraska get on this one?

Posted by: 123cartoon | January 26, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

A "jobs" package that costs $80 Billion? I hope this gets voted down.

If they wanted to revive the jobs market they would be cutting corp. taxes, leaving the Bush tax cuts alone, the list goes on and on and requires no up front money. And maybe getting off of the backs of the banks, they are not all bad, so that maybe they will loosen the purse strings.

It is we the people that will bring jobs, not the government, when we have a stable and business friendly climate. Something I can not see happening anytime soon under this administration.

Posted by: localnet | January 26, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

They seem to like that Hoover nut hu?
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What's with all the freaky Republicans on here? Most of you are not advocating Reagan policies, but more like Hoover policies.

Posted by: sslatten3 | January 26, 2010 11:58 AM

Posted by: billyvonh | January 26, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"a federal spending freeze is a gimmick! it's like performing surgery with a hacket!
it helps the rich and hurts the poor!"

B.Obama 10/09

Gimmicks! Creative Math!
We were here in 1980, after Jimmy Carter!
Cut Government Spending!
Spur Investment!

Vote reid, pelosi, obama OUT!

Posted by: simonsays1 | January 26, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

tax cuts and tax incentives won't help when the employers don't trust the goverment...
they know these provisions will only be good until the elections are over...
do they think America is that dumb...

Posted by: DwightCollins | January 26, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

The banks need to contribute something for all the billions in aid they have received.

They should refund to their customers, amounts that exceed old usury limits (10-12%) when the loans are repaid according to terms.

It is not right that banks are allowed to steal, using the justification that they are charging for risk, when this risk is never realized or misallocated/charged against the wrong customers.

A financial sector that relies on fundamental dishonesty in its rates and limitless government subsidization is not sustainable.

Posted by: wtznx | January 26, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Jerzy | January 26, 2010 11:51 AM
Welcome to the “Socialist Paradise” of Barack Obama.
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Well well look a right wing act. Say you had you med,s today?

Posted by: billyvonh | January 26, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Republican Pleeze vote NO! on this expansion of socialism. The economy is doing just fine as it is, I have job and health care so what's the big deal!

Posted by: knjincvc | January 26, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

What's with all the freaky Republicans on here? Most of you are not advocating Reagan policies, but more like Hoover policies.

Posted by: sslatten3 | January 26, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Here comes the bribery. They haven't spent all the 787 stimulus money so they are going to save it for the 2010 elections to buy off the electorate, but the electorate won't be fooled. So dummocrats do what you do best, but ask yourselves this, are ready to leave DC?

Posted by: candyzky | January 26, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

We don't need tax cuts. Tax cuts only INCREASE the deficit and the debt. President Obama tried to pass a substantial jobs bill last year but the republicans whittled it down to 787 billion, back loaded it, and made tax cuts the biggest feature of it thus making it much less effective. It did save millions of jobs for cops, teachers, and fire fighters in states too stupid to tax their citizens enough to pay for the services they need and in fact demand. It should have been about 1.4 trillion in size without the tax cuts fro the middle class. We need to roll back the Bush tax cuts and start taxing unearned income the same as wages and salaries.

Posted by: jbowen431 | January 26, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

This "jobs" bill is an exercise in political cynicism.
Let's say it becomes law on March 15.
Then small businesses begin the hiring process.
So by July 1 people start showing up at work.
Then we hold Congressional elections in November.
Then the Bush tax cuts expire January 1, 2011 so small businesses pay higher taxes.
The workers hired in July get fired in January.
That may be the Dem plan for their November election, but its not going to happen as planned. Small businesses aren't going to let a temporary tax decrease hire cause them to hire people now knowing they face a tax increase in a few months that will cut their after tax profits and probably throw the economy back into recession. Most small businessses don't want the problem of firing people to get a short term tax break.

Posted by: jfv123 | January 26, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Welcome to the “Socialist Paradise” of Barack Obama.

Posted by: Jerzy | January 26, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

This "jobs" bill is an exercise in political cynicism.
Let's say it becomes law on March 15.
Then small businesses begin the hiring process.
So by July 1 people start showing up at work.
Then we hold Congressional elections in November.
Then the Bush tax cuts expire January 1, 2011 so small businesses pay higher taxes.
The workers hired in July get fired in January.
That may be the Dem plan for their November election, but its not going to happen as planned. Small businesses aren't going to let a temporary tax decrease hire cause them to hire people now knowing they face a tax increase in a few months that will cut their after tax profits and probably throw the economy back into recession. Most small businessses don't want the problem of firing people to get a short term tax break.

Posted by: jfv123 | January 26, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

They (Dems) will screw around and screw this up long enough to finally come around to understand that the "Reagan Way" is the only way to bring a country out of a deep recession! You just have to wonder where they are getting their friggin ideas from!
Tax cuts, not credits are what will spur business owners to hire!

Posted by: davemichelle09 | January 26, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

GPSkids It's very sad , I wish people would see the benefit of wearing a GPS such as the one found on http://www.streetbloggers.com

for 100.00 bucks many would of been located by now and mostly likely survived. Please help spread the word and hopefully those traveling abroad missionaries and or students see the benefit of carrying of the these gps systems.

http://www.streetbloggers.com
My prays are always with you

Posted by: AmberAlertGPS | January 26, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Yay!

Tax cuts for Goldman, Exxon, Walmart and Halliburton!

Close more public schools!

Collapse more public infrastructure!

Promote cannibalism!

Posted by: lichtme | January 26, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: llrllr
Why not just fast track the Dems' House bill that grants amnesty to 14 million undocumented workers.

This will spur job growth (currently 15 million on unemployment list) as this pool will accept low wages to get hired. This will drop the unemployment rate like a rock and help the Nov. elections.

Oh yeah, here's one who's had waaaay too much Obama Kool-Aid. So where are these 15 million low wage jobs? Oh that's right the "undocumented workers" already have them. Is your head so far up your posterior that the methane gasses are clouding your ability to think? Seems to be a rampant problem these days for the Obamabots.....

Posted by: franklinone | January 26, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

What is wrong with democrats. The country does not need all kinds of government tax credits, incentives or pitting one group against another. What is required is tax cuts for all, quit taxing social security, lower capital gain, lower corporate tax rates, spend the rest of the stimulus money only on the infrastructure of the country and stop expanding government.

Posted by: tk1123 | January 26, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The Democrats, who know nothing about stimulating business, want to give tax credits to companies to encourage them to hire new employees, at the same time they push other bills that hurt business and actually cause unemployment.

What business owner would hire new employees that he doesn't need just so that he could get a tax credit that won't help him because his business is losing money?

We need the government to create an environment that encourages companies to expand, not simply to hire employees who will have nothing to do.

Posted by: mike85 | January 26, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Nothing like a good 'ol panic attack by the Dems to try save their sorry @sses before next fall. Rest assured had the shocker election not happened in Mass. the screw you approach of the Dems would remain unchanged. Too little too late as the arrogance of the "our way is the only way" shove it down your throat attitude will be their big time downfall in November. Paybacks are a b!tch for turning their noses up at the hard working taxpayers and bailing out their wealthy Wall St. friends instead......

Posted by: franklinone | January 26, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Jobs and health care are related since we're the only Western Gov't who doesn't have a national health system for all their citizens. Even with big ol' tax breaks to hire workers domestically we still have an employer based insurance system which is very expensive.

It's too bad that our Senate is so damn corrupt. I'll bet Lieberman, Baucus, Nelson and the rest of the opportunists will sit by and see if Repubs endorse the plan and if Repubs oppose (who doubts this) what concessions they require to "fell comfortable" with doing their job.

Posted by: theobserver4 | January 26, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

still unsure since most of the specifics aren't worked out yet. This could be another smoke and mirrors like give the banks/wall street the money and they'd do the right thing. It would be interesting to see how they decide which small businesses get the credit, and what criteria used for those new hires? I could see small businesses laying off people and then turning around to hire for the credit. And how big of a credit? If they can't afford hiring someone at $40K+ with benefits, how would a credit offset it to the point it's worth it? Building roads/bridges are only temporary work so ok for short term. I'd rather see them cut big govt, education and give that money to states and local community. Why throw money towards govt managers/directors at the education dept when it can be put to good use??

Posted by: larry40 | January 26, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Why not just fast track the Dems' House bill that grants amnesty to 14 million undocumented workers.

This will spur job growth (currently 15 million on unemployment list) as this pool will accept low wages to get hired. This will drop the unemployment rate like a rock and help the Nov. elections.

Posted by: llrllr | January 26, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

The Dems are finally getting touch with the public. Too bad they didn't try a jobs bill or deficit cuts before health care.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | January 26, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

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