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White House, unions reach deal on taxing insurance coverage

Updated 5:30 p.m.
By Lori Montgomery and Michael D. Shear
The White House has reached a tentative agreement with labor leaders to tax high-cost health insurance policies, sources said Thursday. The agreement clears one of the last major obstacles on the path to final passage of comprehensive health care legislation.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said health care negotiators are "very, very close" to an overall deal and hope to have resolved most of the differences between health bills approved by the House and the Senate by day's end. But White House officials privately cautioned that their optimism does not mean that a final health care deal will be formally announced Thursday, and senior lawmakers said they are unlikely to present a compromise package to their members before early next week.

A deal with the unions to tax high-cost plans would represent a major step forward, however. According to a labor source familiar with the talks, the agreement calls for a 40 percent tax surtax on policies that cost more than $24,000 for family coverage and $8,900 for individuals, a slight increase over the levels in a bill approved by the Senate on Christmas Evel. Dental and vision benefits would be exempt, and the threshold for taxation would be raised by at least $3,000 in high-cost states, for high-cost professions and for workers whose policies cost more because of their age or their gender.

Health plans negotiated on behalf of state and local workers, or as part of collective-bargaining agreements, would be exempt for five years after the 2013 effective date, giving labor leaders time to negotiate new contracts, the source said, adding that the deal was cut during nearly 15 hours of talks that stretched until nearly midnight at the Old Executive Office Building next to the White House on Wednesday.

Senior lawmakers returned Thursday afternoon to the White House, where staff continued working throughout the day. Gibbs said announcement of any final deal could stretch into early next week, but his tone was hopeful, saying that "tremendous progress" was made in the eight-hour meeting with negotiators on Wednesday.

The so-called Cadillac tax is a key source of financing for a proposal to dramatically expand health coverage to the uninsured. But it is also an important tool for reining in skyrocketing health care costs, and President Obama has insisted that it be included in the package.

Labor leaders, nonetheless, had threatened to campaign against any health care bill that included the tax. By one analysis, as many as one in four union members could have been affected by the version of the tax approved by the Senate.

Under that proposal, family plans that cost more than $23,000 and individual policies that cost more than $8,500 would be subject to a 40 percent surtax. The tax would be imposed on the insurance company, but economists believe it would be passed on to workers. For years, many unions have negotiated more generous health benefits in lieu of higher wages.

Last year, the average family policy in America cost $13,375, according to a survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation.

The proposal has infuriated many House members as well as union leaders, who argue the tax could strike deeply into the middle class to affect small businesses and older workers as well. They also complained that the tax, which would raise nearly $150 billion over the next decade, was designed to strike an ever-growing number of health policies.

Advocates argued that few people would pay the tax, because they would be more likely to choose less costly health insurance policies, a choice that would help drive overall health costs lower. Instead, much of the revenue is projected to come from higher income tax collections as employers shifted resources away from health care and into wages. But skeptics argued that workers might never see the extra money, and insisted on adjustments.

By Lori Montgomery  |  January 14, 2010; 12:45 PM ET
Categories:  44 The Obama Presidency , Health Care  
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Obviously the moderator of this thread is a Sith lord mole. You won't find a comments section as lopsidedly loaded with right wing nuttery at Freepers or WND for God's sake.

Wow. And here I had this weird idea that the Post was better than FOX. Silly me.

Posted by: panarchy | January 16, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

The Obama Plan
What is Obama trying to do with all this spending? He is trying to cause a collapse. Why would he cause a collapse? A collapse is the only way that you could stage a massive takeover of the united states. He has already built the frame work for this takeover. So what is holding him up. The Health Care bill is a key part in causing this collapse. The amount of money that will be required to fund the Health Care bill is a key player. If the Health Care bill passes; Then other planned bills will complete the collapse process. This is why I have called on every single American to do whatever is in their means to stop this takeover. May GOD walk with you and protect you in your journey to save America. The Anti-Christ is here and his name is Obama.

Posted by: makom | January 15, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

One good thing for me. The young people who voted him will pay for this bill and all of the taxes with it. Being 70 years old is not so good when Medicare is being cut by $400 billion, my Medicare advantage program is getting cut, Congress, Unions, NB, Conn, LA get special cuts and favors. Why not give all of Americans a special deal and cancel this bill. Maybe I will have to go on Medicade.

Posted by: dendvua | January 14, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes these people convict themselves with their own words. How is it that the agreement of labor unions is a hurdle to passage, unless they have a vote in Congress. Well, I guess they do have some votes - bought and paid for votes! The general voter in this country is so stupid it's unbelievable. You people who vote for these criminals, like Obama and his ilk, need to grasp the idea, that the best government is one that isn't passing any new laws! Sometimes standing still is better than moving forward into quicksand!

Posted by: kwpendlet | January 14, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Unions? Negotiating with the government regarding the amount of taxes paid by citizens? Jesus H. Christ! We are so screwed!

Posted by: kwpendlet | January 14, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

If we're letting Kaiser determine what a "Cadillac Plan" is based on their "do nothing to treat most illnesses" policies (they pay docs bonuses who do the least amount of treatment), then almost everyone else has a "Cadillac Plan" under these cost determinations.

And what about the House and Senate health plans? THEY have the Bentley plans....will they be taxed at 80%??? That would only make sense.

Those of us (and I speak for many) who have been responsible citizens, and given up extra pay to have full coverage will now be taxed on that responsibility!! We adopted kids out of the foster care system, and with all those special needs, we can't begin to get an inexpensive health insurance policy. Other health issues in our family have made those premiums skyrocket. We are not wealthy, but according to these standards, we will have to drop that comprehensive health plan and go on the state "Medicaid" replacement plan.
We all know how well that PLAN does not work. It's a crying shame. All the overtime we work to be able to afford insurance for our family will once again put that insurance plan out of reach for our family. We will be forced to quit that plan, and step down to the state run plans.

In surveying friends, anyone who has Blue Cross/Blue Shield will qualify for this Cadillac plan, and thus the 40% tax, when in fact, it is just plain old health insurance.

Do our leaders have themselves living in such a time warp that they don't know what present families pay for their insurance?
If you add what our employer pays, to what we pay, plus our premium for many children, and ill parents, we (and all our coworkers) are over the limit and will be forced to pull out of the insurance plans we are using.

Does this mean better care? Does Medicare and Medicaid give better care? Never!! You do the math, and most of all, President Obama, YOU DO THE MATH!! You promised us you would not tax health care, and you're reneging on that promise. Well come 2012, we're reneging our vote!!
Once again, You do the math....if everyone who's upset decides to only vote for new people (vote against any incumbunts), we can change this surge of taxing the middle class and ruining many families.
Ga Mom of 5

Posted by: jmellick2 | January 14, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Anytime there's someone elses money to be had or a freebee at Obama's "I'll sell you a favor ..for yr vote" festival, you can bet the Union Pigs will be there with there greedy little paws. "cover my pension""cover my health care", these are fine days for those greedy Union's

Posted by: snapplecat07 | January 14, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I see 435 member of the house of representatives, 100 senate representatives and now union representation rules the White house; seems I missed that section in US history - guess it must be the poor educational system.

Posted by: rightofway | January 14, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I was following the negotiations for Healthcare Reform...that is, as much as a citizen in the Home of the Free and the Land of the Brave is SUPPOSED to know....until we hit the Pelosi-Reid Conference phase with their biggest fan, B. Obama.....oh, legacy me! Legacy me! So, as they wipe the dirt from their brains, and I know a hell of a lot less about "reform" than before our august legislators went into conference, it's fair to say that I am genuinely po'd. Who in hell do the POTUS and hopefully soon to be also rans Pelosi and Reid think they are.......they represent us...which means they do what the populace says...not the unions, not big pharma, not even poor
Senator Nelson, who took the bait hook line and sinker. Let's see, what was that Cadillac Plan tax to become effective...was it 6 years after 2013...14...or never through a sleight of hand favoring the unions AFTER the legislation is in effect. Then, who cares?.not the POTUS ( who may be out of office anyway).....Ms. Pelosi, the Baltimore born poli, or Mr. Reid....soon to be gone, too. The POTUS refuses to learn the he does not dictate to the American voter with deceitful governing, and he ought to stop listening to Ramrod...that be Emmanuel.......we will decide who goes to Congress, not the West Wing, so please bug out, guys....this is not Chicago.

Posted by: connyankee1 | January 14, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I was following the negotiations for Healthcare Reform...that is, as much as a citizen in the Home of the Free and the Land of the Brave is SUPPOSED to know....until we hit the Pelosi-Reid Conference phase with their biggest fan, B. Obama.....oh, legacy me! Legacy me! So, as they wipe the dirt from their brains, and I know a hell of a lot less about "reform" than before our august legislators went into conference, it's fair to say that I am genuinely po'd. Who in hell do the POTUS and hopefully soon to be also rans Pelosi and Reid think they are.......they represent us...which means they do what the populace says...not the unions, not big pharma, not even poor
Senator Nelson, who took the bait hook line and sinker. Let's see, what was that Cadillac Plan tax to become effective...was it 6 years after 2013...14...or never through a sleight of hand favoring the unions AFTER the legislation is in effect. Then, who cares?.not the POTUS ( who may be out of office anyway).....Ms. Pelosi, the Baltimore born poli, or Mr. Reid....soon to be gone, too. The POTUS refuses to learn the he does not dictate to the American voter with deceitful governing, and he ought to stop listening to Ramrod...that be Emmanuel.......we will decide who goes to Congress, not the West Wing, so please bug out, guys....this is not Chicago.

Posted by: connyankee1 | January 14, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Where is the MSM in reporting of this CORRUPT action by the POTUS. This has to be illegal... he has a PRIVATE meeting with his campaign contributors and then CUTS A DEAL with the Unions.

Reid, Pelosi, Obama, Bacrus, Dodd and all the other crooks that LISTEN to the union bosses MORE than the Citizens of the United States.

Must pay a price for their stupidity and disregard of those Patriots that put them in office.

This should be grounds for IMPEACHMENT for Obama. High Crimes and Treason against the Constitution and the American People.

We must make the blood run in the streets in 2010.2012.2014. WE must vote out all those in the House and the Senate that have been in office more than two terms.

Obama and those on the hill will not listen to the American People. Instead they listen to the lobbyist, the Unions, the BIG CAMPAIGN contributors at the expense of the common Man on the street.

There should be immediate OUTRAGE AGAINST OBAMA for this DEAL MAKING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

Posted by: miller515501 | January 14, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

George Harrison said it all:

TAXMAN

Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman

If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.

Don't ask me what I want it for
If you don't want to pay some more
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
And you're working for no one but me.

Posted by: marty3dj | January 14, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I guess this is why Obama didn't want to broadcast any of the healthcare negotiations on CSPAN...he didn't want the country to see him buying off every special interest on their TV sets. LOL
"Change you can believe in"
"Post-Partisan"
"Change the way washington works"
"no more special interest groups"
"Transparency"

The community organizer-in-chief, opps I mean President Obama is one giant fraud. LOL

Posted by: dcsackers2 | January 14, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

They buy Nebraska, buy unions, and hard telling what we dont know about. This has to be ILLEGAL................

Everyone needs to log into www.congress.org and contact your state and federal representatives. This site does all the work after you fill out your comments to e-mail everyone inluding Obama.

Posted by: RodneyVA1 | January 14, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Let's be clear about this... For Obama and the Democrats, getting some form of health care legislation through is all about saving face, and they'll do anything to get it through. They may win the battle, but at what cost?

Posted by: lbataille55 | January 14, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Two Americas: (1) Hardworking, law-abiding, non-union patriotic citizens (2) the unions.

Bewared the unionized voter. 80% of likely voters are not members of a union (nor a street gang).

Posted by: Cornell1984 | January 14, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

absolutely dispicable. Pass taxes for Americans, exempt govt unions. Yes, Virginia, some animals apparently ARE more equal than others.

Posted by: silencedogoodreturns | January 14, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. The President is trying to do something to recoup the money paid to these banks and you people whine, bi!ch and moan about it.
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Are you really that stupid? Toby Obummer is doing NOTHING more than handing YOU a bill for 90 BILLION dollars. Get a clue.

Posted by: brattykathyi1 | January 14, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

If Congress & the Senate & Obama & his administration & the Unions don't have to have this shoved down their throats then why do the 85% that are happy with our insurance & Our Parents & Seniors do not get any respect & no compassion all have to suffer for the people that do not have insurance & most do not want it unless it is free??????This if not freedom that is promised to us in the Constitution & the Bill of Rights & the Declaration of Independence this is TYRANY. Obama tonight threatened the Republicans saying if they want to try standing up for the status quo, insurance companies over family & businesses then that is a threat to the American people, the majority of which do not want this healthcare bill. The Republicans are standing up for their constituents, so that means Obama does not want to be fair to the American people he just wants this power play to pass so he can start leading us deeper & deeper into socialism. The American people do not like threats & this is not Chicago so he can try to play hard ball with people that do are scared. We are not scared.

Posted by: egw7777 | January 14, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. The President is trying to do something to recoup the money paid to these banks and you people whine, bi!ch and moan about it. weren't you all whining, bi!ching and moaning because they were given our tax dollars to begin with? The other thing I don't get is why you people want to blame the President when the banks increase their fees? In case you hadn't noticed it they have already been increasing their fees. My question though is why aren't you people angry at the banks? The banks are the ones making these huge profits, giving their employees as much as $10 MILLION dollar bonuses even when they FAILED. Who deserves a $10 million bonus and especially when you had to get the government to bail you out? YOU FAILED. What should happen is that all of these people should be getting a pink slip rather than a bonus. Then all you people can do is blame President Obama can do is blame President Obama. Talk about clueless !!!!

By the way unless you are one of those people in line to receive a bonus why would you support this? I mean , lets have a reality check here. $10 million dollars what does a person do to earn a bonus of ten million dollars? This is by the way a BONUS. I would like to know what their base salary is. And I just can't believe that the average everyday person that works eight hours a day would ever think that a bonus of ten million dollars is appropriate for anyone.

Posted by: catmomtx | January 14, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

The compromise on the Cadillac healthcare plans is nothing less than a further tightening of the garrote around the neck of the middle class. The Obama administration should be going after the Bentleys and the Ferraris. Cadillac suggests a rising middle class America whose plants are closing with dimming hopes for a brighter economic tomorrow. Sadly Obama is right there lending his hand on tightening the garrote in what he and others fancy calling an historic and landmark reform. It is not.

Posted by: NEOPatriot1 | January 14, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

The compromise on the Cadillac healthcare plans is nothing less than a further tightening of the garrote around the neck of the middle class. The Obama administration should be going after the Bentleys and the Ferraris. Cadillac suggests a rising middle class America whose plants are closing with dimming hopes for a brighter economic tomorrow. Sadly Obama is right there lending his hand on tightening the garrote in what he and others fancy calling an historic and landmark reform. It is not.

Posted by: NEOPatriot1 | January 14, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Shame on Obama. Shame on the Democrats. Shame on me... I voted for Obama! Never again!! My apologies, America. Let's hope we can kick all of them out this November and in 2012.

Posted by: lbataille55 | January 14, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

"Health plans negotiated on behalf of state and local workers, or as part of collective-bargaining agreements, would be exempt for five years after the 2013 effective date...."

I'm not a lawyer but I've got to wonder if that deal will hold up in court. I'm a 100% supporter of labor unions, but I don't see how you can justify giving legal preference to a collectively bargained $24k health policy over a corporate exec's $24k health policy.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | January 14, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

+++++++The vast majority of America's enemies live and work in Washington DC.
Yet the mindless masses keep re-electing them.
The Marxist Democrats and the Fascist Republicans are all shills for special interests. Treason is a crime, they all need to swing.

Posted by: brattykathyi1 | January 14, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse +++++++++++++++

brattykathyi1,

BEST POST EVER!

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | January 14, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Tomorrow Obama has a health care meeting with ACORN. Once thy're signed on, it's a go.

Posted by: logicprevails | January 14, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Post have employed more Neocon Shills to post..

There is a sharp rise in negative postings.

They need to FOX OFF

Fei Hu

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ha Ha

Fei Hu

A laugh every post....that is Fei Hu

Posted by: dottydo | January 14, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, Unions will be exempt, loggers are exempt, firefighters and police and exempt...... So who IS going to pay for this multi-trillion dollar disaster? Especially after health care rationing goes into effect and people are being killed off at age 76 and three quarters to ensure the youngsters get care for?
yOU LIBERAL A-HOLES are gonna git what you voted for - it's just not what you thought yuu were getting - too bad you were too greedy and to unintelligent to understand.

Posted by: sandynh | January 14, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

SO, of all the commenters (I admittedly did not read them all), it seems no one here will even be affected by the negotiate "cadillac plan" surtax?

If your health plan to cover your family is costs less than $23,000/yr, you WILL NOT BE TAXED by this.

Posted by: free-donny | January 14, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Obongo has no clue about US Constitutional USA.
He is off the mark, out of order , and with ethics violations of cronyism and nepotism mounting he is over.

Level means equal in the USA.. What is good enough for one is good enough for all.

The majority rules and says NO.


Obamaland vs the USA

He can run Obamaland that way, but is apparently only illegally occupying the USA, if he does it.

Posted by: dottydo | January 14, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

The headine infers that the whitehouse reached some kind of compromise with the unions. What B.S!! All they did was exempt unions and state/local employees from the "cadillac tax". What exactly did the unions give up in this case? So what if they bargained for the health care. Everyone with employer paid/part paid insurance is geting health care in lieu of wages whether it was bargained for or not.

Posted by: jmellis1 | January 14, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

One thing I am sure of, my health insurance cost are going to skyrocket, thats why I am looking for a government job, to suckle just like all the other takers..........

Posted by: goziner | January 14, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Actually unions ceased to exist several years ago. They are public employee interest groups today. Those that don't represent public employees represent pseudo-government workers at mega companies like GM. If they returned to representing actual workers, you know, private sector men and women, they would be once again viable. In theory, unions are a pretty good idea and they once served a useful purpose.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | January 14, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Post have employed more Neocon Shills to post..

There is a sharp rise in negative postings.

They need to FOX OFF

Fei Hu

Posted by: Fei_Hu | January 14, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

sariat writes:The Unions get a special deal? Honestly, I am Union, and we have a plan that pays for just about everything, we are one of the highest if not highest medical cost area in the US. If we exclude vision and dental, as all plans are exempt, then our cost is 18k per year. Why would you pay more? . This is for families of course. Hmmm. All you right wing monkeys yammering about how this is not fair, are just full of it.

--yeah yr happy because you got yrs. Just like evry other greedy "look out for himself" Union schmuck. Never dawned on you that yr benefits are better then80% of americans ? Yeah suck up to OBama because he pays you, what a bunch of bs artists
Union's are. "I got mine" what a jerk

Posted by: snapplecat07 | January 14, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

So will these numbers be adjusted YEARLY FOR INFLATION?

Otherwise, in about 10-20yrs, EVERYBODY will be paying the tax.

Posted by: AlbyVA | January 14, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

brattykathy1 wrote:
Considering the fact that EVERY government employee in the United States is a union member, (the government mandates all employees join) I'd say the Unions have been part of our government ever since FDR turned the US into a socialist (headed towards communist) nation.

*************
Although there are public employee unions (AFSMCE, for one, ) there is no requirement that government employees belong to a union.

Posted by: SavingGrace | January 14, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

bidalah wrote:
1. ...but the only restrictions in this bill on abortion have come from Democrats.

2. Your throw-out lines about "giving grandma the pill" and "massive welfare expansion", illustrate why I rarely bother responding to posts here anymore.
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1. You're not addressing the moral hypocrisy of the party, by appealing to a theatrical vote. The argument I made was to excavate the past of a party whose legal scholars and cultural idols told us for a generation why usurping the rights of unborn Americans for society's convenience (or "undue burden") is a moral virtue. The same left now appeals to the "preciousness of life" argument disguised as "healthcare for all/poor". The hypocrisy is inescapable.

2. I assume you're not aware of Obama granma quote which betrays his view of controlling cost (and he's not alone on this). Regarding welfare expansion, I'm not sure what you call scaling of mandates, taxes, subsidies to 10s of millions more while regulating the market further to pave the way for a single payer future. To me it's called welfare expansion.

Posted by: NoWeCant | January 14, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

So Mr. Obama, Ms. Pelosi, and Mr. Reid & CO, behind closed doors once again, with the Union Bosses, with zero transparency are wheeling and dealing deciding how you and I are going to be living our lives!

I cannot wait for the 2010 fall election, when the biggest landlide in history occurs, and we send Ms. Pelosi packing.

Posted by: FreedomFirst2 | January 14, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Just when you thought the Democrats found all the payoffs, kick backs and quid pro quo, they found yet another one.

At this rate, there will be nothing to fund the program which will increase taxes, the deficit .. AND .. premiums and health care costs.

Posted by: asmith1 | January 14, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

When did the Unions become part of the Government? The House, Senate, President and now the Unions?
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Considering the fact that EVERY government employee in the United States is a union member, (the government mandates all employees join) I'd say the Unions have been part of our government ever since FDR turned the US into a socialist (headed towards communist) nation.

Posted by: brattykathyi1 | January 14, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

The vast majority of America's enemies live and work in Washington DC.
Yet the mindless masses keep re-electing them.
The Marxist Democrats and the Fascist Republicans are all shills for special interests. Treason is a crime, they all need to swing.

Posted by: brattykathyi1 | January 14, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

The Unions get a special deal? Honestly, I am Union, and we have a plan that pays for just about everything, we are one of the highest if not highest medical cost area in the US. If we exclude vision and dental, as all plans are exempt, then our cost is 18k per year. Why would you pay more? . This is for families of course. Hmmm. All you right wing monkeys yammering about how this is not fair, are just full of it.

In the end this will help to rein in costs, by collectively forcing people to look at cheaper policies. This means deductibles will rise. People will begin to consider the cost of day to day garbage, and not run to the doctor for the sniffles. As demand begins to fall, so will hospital rates etc.

Further, those of you who are small employers will have access to the buying cooperative. That is similar to how the German plan works. They pay far less than $8600 per person. The Unions will not have access to the Co-ops. If I had my way, I would abandon my Union benefits, and take my dollars on salary and buy from a co-operative, that will probably provide the same or better benefits at about 3/4 the costs. So the Unions have gained little if anything from this legislation.

Posted by: sarlat | January 14, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow - who knew hope and change was code for graft and payoffs? Where's the shame?

Posted by: gorams1 | January 14, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

@NoWeCant

Perhaps you missed it, but the only restrictions in this bill on abortion have come from Democrats. The Democratic party has its pro-choice and pro-life wings and they barely manage to tolerate each other for the sake of governance. If it were not for them, then Republican stubbornness would have given pro-choice Obama, Pelosi and Reid free rein.

Your throw-out lines about "giving grandma the pill" and "massive welfare expansion", illustrate why I rarely bother responding to posts here anymore. They are lies. Demonstrable, obvious and cynical lies. No person or party can lie that easily and claim any moral high ground.

Posted by: bidalah | January 14, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Some continue to misrepresent the health care system in Canada. The federal government does not have, nor does it control health care insurance in Canada. Under the Canadian Constitution, health care and education are two areas that are controlled by the provincial and Territorial governments, and each province makes its own decision on what will be paid for, and how much. However, there is no restriction on any Canadian regarding their rights to buy additional private or group health insurance.

The federal government collects the payments for provincial and Territorial health insurance plans for the provinces and Territories, and these funds along with other transfer funds from the federal government are transferred to the provinces. When there is a shortfall in funding for health care in the provinces, the federal government is called upon to provide extra funding, which it may, or may not do, and in these cases, the federal government may set some restricttions on use of these funds.

The federal government does not have ownership of health insurance plans in Canada. Each citizen and landed immigrant is enrolled in the provincial plans and in cases wgere employers receive permission to bring special people into the country to fill employment needs, at least in Ontario, the employer is responsible for the plans of the workers permitted to work in the country.

One thing is certain, the Canadian system was not determined on the basis of special favors and breaks to specific groups with their dirrerent needs, and while there may be some differences from province to province it is a fair system that attempts to treat each individual receiving benefits equally. When funding and medical equipment result in wait times, Canadians can go outside the country for medical treatment, but they are still covered by their individual provincial or Territorial health plans to the amounts that are predetermined by the plans.

Posted by: CalP | January 14, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Mr. Obama, and wept on the night of his victory. Now I feel so betrayed.
Please, my fellow posters, don't say I told you so, and rub my nose in it. The stakes are much higher, and we all stand to lose.

Posted by: mtpeaks | January 14, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

IT WOULD BE NICE IF THE DEMS WOULD ACTUALLY INCLUDE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN THE NEGOTIATIONS TOO!

maybe we dont want an health care system that we have to pay for now but cant get anything for 5 years, and then not everything until 10 years.
maybe we dont want a health system that can deny us coverage but denies courts the right to issues writs to force treatment in emergency circumstances.
im glas the unions, which means the auto companies we already bailed out, and all government employees.
that leaves the rest of us bending over.

Posted by: infantry11b4faus | January 14, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama buys union votes, small price to pay.
Business as usual in washington. Ben Nelson gets paid off with free medicare for Nebraska. Sounds like Chicago style mob politics have found a home in washington.
Obama and his "change the way things are done in washington" yep, change them to Chicago style pay to play. Yeah I know Cheney and Bush , but I thought you Obamites voted for something different. Looks like you got the same load of CR#P

Posted by: snapplecat07 | January 14, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

@Senior-Advisor:
Medicare Advantage is one of the main reasons Medicare is imperiled. It is only in the past six months that Republicans have decided it is indispensable in order to persuade/purchase voters such as yourself to oppose health care reform. Cutting Medicare Advantage in some fashion was always going to happen.

As to the cadillac plan tax; as it was announced today, it is far smaller then what McCain campaigned for. I imagine you would have written your same posting, word for word, if you had voted for McCain and he had won.

If you cast your vote solely on the interests of your own pocketbook then there isn't much more to say, because I and the rest of the readers here have our own pocketbooks to worry about.

But I would hope you, like me, have more than narrow self-interest in mind when you step into a voting booth. Then at least there can be a discussion.

Posted by: bidalah | January 14, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

bidalah wrote: I don't understand why the Republicans think they have the any moral standing to criticize this bill.
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The opposition to this bill not moral, it's simply based on reason. On the contrary, a party that doesn't stand to defend unborn US citizens and wants to give granma the "pill" to cut costs has no moral authority to lecture others on the moral merits of this omnibus welfare expansion.

Posted by: NoWeCant | January 14, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

When did the Unions become part of the Government? The House, Senate, President and now the Unions?

Posted by: rainman2 | January 14, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

the union and the democrats meeting in secret are traitors to the American way of life
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Same as Cheney meeting secretly with the oil big wigs.

I can tell you how we can stop that crap. Vote Anti-Incumbent for the next 6 years and stop this special interest influence, Media influence, and set term limits. Simple.

Posted by: bnw173 | January 14, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

deannawds wrote: What Do Unions Do? and the most recent, "Spirit Level." High-quality research--national and global studies--finds that unions are necessary to a healthy democracy.
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Only partially correct. In this country, we have the freedom to unionize for any cause. BUT they don't have the freedom to acquire monopoly from the govt. One of the primary roles of govt through courts is to protect one individual from another or a group.

When GM, through govt acquired monopoly props up competition through subsidized production and non-market wages, it pits GM auto workers against other American auto workers working for foreign auto companies in the US. Here the govt by supporting unions sticks it to the other guys. Same this with the cadillac tax. If the unions are exempt, then the govt has failed in it primary responsibility.

The difference between unions and corp lobbyist is that unions come to the govt to initiate monopoly trade whereas corp lobbyists respond to preempt rule changes that the govt makes in their respective sectors. If the govt didn't manipulate free markets so much, there wouldn't be so much corp lobbying.

Posted by: NoWeCant | January 14, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

In the following excerpt, the authors make a claim that is unsubstantiated and state it as fact. I find this to be a common practice in the media and quite misleading.

"The so-called Cadillac tax is a key source of financing for a proposal to dramatically expand health coverage to the uninsured. But it is also an important tool for reining in skyrocketing health care costs, and President Obama has insisted that it be included in the package."

Who has proven that this "tool" will reign in healthcare costs? A politician said it, so it's fact? The idea that the Cadillac tax is a key source of funding for the plan is a widely accepted fact which requires no further explanation. But, the other claim here needs further explanation and supporting evidence. Sadly, I read the entire article and did not find it. Contrast it to the next excerpt provided.

"The proposal has infuriated many House members as well as union leaders, who argue the tax could strike deeply into the middle class to affect small businesses and older workers as well. They also complained that the tax, which would raise nearly $150 billion over the next decade, was designed to strike an ever-growing number of health policies."

The claims here are attributed to members of Congress, as a matter of their opinion, properly. The initial claims should have been supported or expressed as someone's opinion.

Posted by: mbruntonx1 | January 14, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why the Republicans think they have the any moral standing to criticize this bill. So much of what they, and I, object to in it is a direct result of their own intransigence.

Why is there no malpractice reform? Because the block of senators that are not in thrall of the tort lobbyists refused to even come to the table. Why are the unions holding so many cards? Because they were willing to talk, and compromise, while the Republicans weren't. How could Senator Nelson negotiate so big a bribe? Because even Republican senators who supported the kind of health reform envisioned in this bill in the past want Obama to fail.

The Republicans who are castigating Obama so hard for this bill will be screaming even louder if it fails. Obama has guessed correctly that making the deals he has to make with the parties that are willing to talk to each other is a better choice then joining with the Republicans in doing nothing at all.

Posted by: bidalah | January 14, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness Obama checked with the Unions if it was okay to set policy.

I can see the "investment" made in Obama by SEIU is paying dividends only a year into his "presidency".

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | January 14, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

My wife and I are retired living on Social Security and our savings. I have Medicare Advantage, my wife is only 60 and has a low cost (in NYS) health insurance plan that costs $9600 per year. I am going to loose Medicare Advantage with reduced benefits and my wife's plan is going to be taxed making it cost even more. We were both self employed and have no pension or paid health insurance plan. Did we ever make a mistake voting for Obama.

Posted by: Senior-Advisor | January 14, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Worthy books: What Do Unions Do? and the most recent, "Spirit Level." High-quality research--national and global studies--finds that unions are necessary to a healthy democracy. What unions win for their members (health benefits, 40-hour weeks, fair pay, justice for all members of a society, etc.) ultimately results in equally valuable wins for society as a whole. Also, the higher the levels of inequality in a society, the higher levels of dysfunction for the vast majority of the society, regardless of their income.
Where people treat each other with respect and kindness (even when disagreeing), and build trust, the community sees healthier members, less violence, greater unselfishness and more happiness, and longer lives. As for the "Cadillac Tax" -- if something is good for one group, perhaps we could work together to find a way to extend the benefits to all, one step at a time.

Posted by: deannawds | January 14, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Barry (ACORN S.E.I.U.) Soetoro is no more than a Political Hack Street Punk Agitator. A Complete Fraud from the School Alinski Bilge. The Irresponsible Corrupt Socialist Led Congress are a disgrace.

Elections of '10 & '12 Cannot Come Soon Enough!

VOTE SCOTT BROWN !!


Posted by: jas7751 | January 14, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Is this the moment when the oceans stop rising and the planet begins to heal? How could I have missed this.......I've been tuned in to C-span all day?

Posted by: hit4cycle | January 14, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Another payoff to a special interest group. The Democrats are forcing a plan on people who don't want it and making them pay not only their share but also the share of the very a$$h..es who are the ones pressing for it. If you union wads love taking over the health care sector so much, how come you aren't willing to pay your part. That's Democrats though: gimme, gimme, gimme, and someone else always pays. Less work, more money and free health care paid for by the non-leaches in society.

Posted by: grohlik | January 14, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

And most of the American People believe this CRAP! - I like President OBAMA,- but Him & CONGRESS are controled, and told what to do by the Globalist $BANKster Cartel Leaders. These Central World Banking Thugs have milked and Robbed the U.S. Citizens for $TRILLIONS over the last 93 years!! So they finally realize that the dufus Citizens are catching on!? da! So they allow OBAMA & CONGRESS to pretend to get back at them. BUT, it represents a very tiny-tiney drop in the BANKster too-BIG $Bucket. In other words, it does NOT matter! - Unless CONGRESS Stops Supporting & Kow-towing to these Globalist $Rip-Offs.-- REPEAL the Feral Reserve ACT - Immediately CONGRESS!! - Oh that's right,- CONGRESS is chicken,- because they know what happened to KFK, when He passed Executive Order- #11110,- to END-the-FED,- and take Control of OUR', WE-the-People's $Money Supply back!? - If the U.S. Citizen VOTERS WILL NOT TAKE ACTION, then the Criminal Globalist BANKsters will continue to $WIN. - tHE federal reserve Private Corporation is mostly owned by Foriegners. 40 of the top FED shareholders live in Europe. "Wake-up-America"!! - JWtalks

Posted by: jward52 | January 14, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Well,How are the demon's,Going to lie about giveing the unions A deal,And excempt from taxes,While the rest of us will still pay all the taxes,And get free h-c,They can't lie about the Republicans,Giveing the unoins free H-C,The Demon's,Would not let them in the closed door bribes,Would not even let them look or have time to read it,Before they voted on this worthless crap in the dark of night,Now that your obama,Has cut another final deal again behind closed doors.With his PIMP union boys.

Posted by: dickiesnhogheaven | January 14, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

The health care market as it currently stands is completely broken. I think this breakthrough is wonderful! The President and the Democrats are almost ready to ink the deal that will provide millions and millions of Americans with access to affordable health care while stopping insurance companies from denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions and cancelling policies of people who get sick. It's about time! YES to health care for ALL Americans!

Posted by: markshepherdstown | January 14, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Now our union leadership is selling out their own. What kind of evil hypnotic power does Obama have?

Posted by: krolart | January 14, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Fact: The health care and insurance companies gave the Obama campaign over $20 million.
Fact: These same companies have spent over $200 million infuencing the legislation on the Hill.
Fact: These same companies negotiated a secret agreement last June with WH and Hill leaders that among other things assured no single payer, no drug reimportation, and no generic drugs.
Bottom Line: The health care industry now owns Washington, DC.
Only Option: Convince state legislatures to reject this heavy-handed, underfunded mandate. They did it with the Real ID Act several years ago, and they can do it now. It's our only hope!

Posted by: mtpeaks | January 14, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely revolting politics. Chicago thuggery now through the white house. Employers will now cut benefits or reduce hiring to offset these taxes. All to add more people to a broken health-insurance monopoly? This guy's going to the dust bin of history.

Posted by: store16 | January 14, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

SCHUMER the SCUM never did anything for NYS- he is a MAJOR shareholder in Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac along with CLINTON, OVOMIT, DODD, REID, GEITHNER, RANGEL and the rest of the crooks in Washington. where there is a camera OVOMIT and SCHUMER are fighting for attention.....IMPEACH ALL OF THEM!

Posted by: Sparky15 | January 14, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"Health plans negotiated on behalf of state and local workers, or as part of collective-bargaining agreements, would be exempt for five years after the 2013 effective date"

Brought to you by the Democrat party, bought & sold by the unions.

Not exactly the change you were hoping for?

Posted by: jcp370 | January 14, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

pjcafe posted:

"We need to remove all perks from our House, Senate and the Executive branch of government."

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HOW? THESE CROOKS HAVE GOT US BY THE ----!

Posted by: JAH3 | January 14, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

This is sad - what happened to ethical above board legislation that is a fair for all? How many one-sided "side deals" need to be made to get this patchwork monster passed? Why not start over and use common sense as a guideline.

When the President ran on a promise of no pork, limiting earmarks transparency, and bipartisanship, I actually believed him. Does anyone believe the "hope and change" rhetoric anymore?

Posted by: sarno | January 14, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

If this agreement is like the ones we have my state (Oregon) the taxpayers will pick up the tax. They already pick up the co-pay, the membership fees, everything for the state employee and all of their dependents, plus we even kick in the 6% for their retirement "contribution". We have far too many public employees and the ones we have cost far too much.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | January 14, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

When asked about his opinion on the Ombamalube provision to exempt union employees from being taxpayers,

Union Boss T. Soprano said "Faggidaboutit, Badda Bing, the guy caved, we own him, the stupit taxpayah ain't gettin' our n0-show job benefits!"

Posted by: Cornell1984 | January 14, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

The only thing worse than watching the Democrats wheel and deal their way through this sickening sausage of a bill is realizing that Republicans would do the same, and likely even worse, with their own pet projects.

These guys are like a Confederacy of Crooks, riffing on new ways to fleece the taxpayer and take food out of the mouths of children. They don't even bother to hide the lies anymore ("we will put this whole process on C-SPAN".) They know we know, and they don't care.

A plague on both their houses! We need to all show up at the polls and send the entire lot of them packing.

Posted by: dmarney | January 14, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

We need to remove all perks from our House, Senate and the Executive branch of government.
No more health care provided for them. They can afford to pay their own way. Some who have worked harder ( a la Reid's praise of Nelson) can pay with the bribes they have been receiving.

Posted by: pjcafe | January 14, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

You are going to need something industrial. Try Obamalube. No stimulus or package or lie too large.

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I've got my Vaseline ready for this new health bill.

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Posted by: Bubbette1 | January 14, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Since when are the unions part of the formal legislative process . . . this country is sick.

Posted by: rplat | January 14, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

If Obama keeps up his 'deal making', 'closed-door talks' and appointing czars he will soon find himself the subject of impeachment hearings!

Posted by: meadmkr | January 14, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The Unions give give give and for some reason the right wing still screams. Is this some sort of conditioned response to the word "Union" or "Labor"?

Posted by: theobserver4
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What exactly are you giving?

Posted by: mike83631

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I'm not giving anything as I stated I'm not Union. They're serving themselves up a tax on health care (and including myself in this since I have a "Cadillac" plan as well and 0 Union protections) Sure they have a 2 year deferral so they can do whatever it is they do for upcoming negotiations, but the fact remains that they had their bosses stamp approval on yet another concession.

I'm just saying that the facade that they're coming out of this economic disaster unscathed due to librul demoncrat backroom deals is beyond ludicrous. Frankly I'm wondering why they're being so pleasant with Obama a year after he was elected.

Posted by: theobserver4 | January 14, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I think I don't like what is going on. One of the problems, as I see it, is the secrecy and all the unknown deal-making. Oh, forget the promises about "tranaparency" Just keep repeating, (preferably against "they" and "them" and be very careful to use vague language)... and the big lie becomes the "truth"

Posted by: chasovnya | January 14, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

They have managed to bastardize the program before it has even been put on the floor. Special deals for special friends of the government is the norm in DC it seems. Does anyone really think union fleas are the only people who have received benefits in lieu of pay raises. We need to take some politicians to the wood shed soon or we'll be indentured servants, owing all our pay to government.......

Posted by: gunnysgt77 | January 14, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Stupid liberal thinking at its best. If there is a tax on expensive insurance plans consumers will ohoose lower cost plans which will drive down the cost of insurance but WILL DRIVE UP INDIVIDUAL MEDICAL COSTS. Cheaper insurance means higher deductibles, higher out-of-pocket costs, less coverage, less choice and poorer quality of care. The more I see of Democrats in action the more convinced I am that they are all brain dead and are totally out of touch with reality.

Posted by: sonny_sky | January 14, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

The Obama Plan
What is Obama trying to do with all this spending? He is trying to cause a collapse. Why would he cause a collapse? A collapse is the only way that you could stage a massive takeover of the united states. He has already built the frame work for this takeover. So what is holding him up. The Health Care bill is a key part in causing this collapse. The amount of money that will be required to fund the Health Care bill is a key player. If the Health Care bill passes; Then other planned bills will complete the collapse process. This is why I have called on every single American to do whatever is in their means to stop this takeover. May GOD walk with you and protect you in your journey to save America. The Anti-Christ is here and his name is Obama.

Posted by: makom | January 14, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I hope winter cold stays around a little longer this year, that way, maybe a few more Dems. will keep their hands in their own pockets istead of trying to pick ours; the tax payer!

Posted by: ohboy3 | January 14, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

The Obama Plan
What is Obama trying to do with all this spending? He is trying to cause a collapse. Why would he cause a collapse? A collapse is the only way that you could stage a massive takeover of the united states. He has already built the frame work for this takeover. So what is holding him up. The Health Care bill is a key part in causing this collapse. The amount of money that will be required to fund the Health Care bill is a key player. If the Health Care bill passes; Then other planned bills will complete the collapse process. This is why I have called on every single American to do whatever is in their means to stop this takeover. May GOD walk with you and protect you in your journey to save America. The Anti-Christ is here and his name is Obama.

Posted by: makom | January 14, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

A reasonable person might have thought that since the idea was to expand health care insurance to more people, we should try to provide the most complete coverage to everyone rather than punish those who now have very comprehensive plans. Now they try to demonize those with good plans as selfeshly having "Cadillac" plans.

Fundamentally, why should anyone be taxed for buying a nice private plan? And where does the government get the Constitutional authority to force business to provide insurance anyway? Up to now it has been a perk not a mandate. If the govenrment wants to mandate coverage, they should provide it themselves instead of forcing business to do so and criminalizing citizens for not buying it.

Posted by: AnotherContrarian | January 14, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

It humors me to watch Obama say that some one with a Cadillac plan forces insurance rates for the guy with the Chevy plan up.

Yeah, he may use more insurance, but that's why he pays $23K instead of $13K. Insurance companies don't raise everyone's rate to cover the Caddy guy, they raise his rate.

The people driving rates up are the $13K Chevy plans that use $23K of insurance per year.

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Posted by: Hawaiian_Gecko | January 14, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Most of these postings are ridiculous and even bizarre.
I generally don't side with unions, but the unions negotiated these contracts at a time when there was no penalty proposed on them. I favor the House surtax on the very wealthy. I am one who will be taxed more under the House plan and who would not have been hurt by the Senate plan. But the wealthy have gotten a free ride for too long and have an obligation, if they believe in their country, to do more for it.
I am amazed that anyone could believe that the current crop of Republicans will help the middle class. I am a Republican, but the Republicans in Congress have no interest in helping anyone but the wealthy and the special interests, as becomes more and more clear in their lack of interest in doing anything for the uninsured. I long for the day when I was proud to be a Republican, when Charles Mathias represented us in the Senate and Wayne Gilchrest in the House.

Posted by: richardshaker | January 14, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm listening to Obama right now on C-Span telling us what is he doing to us.. He's not discussing what we should do, what we want to do but what HE is doing.
He is the most divisive, corrupt politician to have entered the White House.
I'm watching and cannot believe the arrogance of this man.
This betrayal of American taxpayers brought about by the most unethical bunch of politicians creating unconstitutional mandates must be condemned.
What did we do to deserve this?

Posted by: pjcafe | January 14, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Well, now the Unions get paid off. Add them to Louisiana, Nebraska, Federal workers, Insurance companies, Pharmaceutical companies... All getting paid off.

I wonder Who is going to pay for all of this?

Dumb Question.

Posted by: wilsan | January 14, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Some animals are more equal than others....

Hopefully some of this can be repealed and brought more into some semblance of fairness once the 2010 elections occur. If there hasn't been too much damage done by then to recover from.

Posted by: SavingGrace | January 14, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

NFL, NBA, Professional Baseball --

Isn't this the Alex Rodriquez bailout?

No taxes on Health Care for the millionaires of the NFL?

All those stupid, middle class, hardworking people will have to pay their own health care, we need to fun Derek Jeter's lifestyle.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | January 14, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

This deal sounds fair to me.

Just make sure the $200,000 or more includes not just salary but deferred salary, bonus, and options.

Posted by: WillSeattle | January 14, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

The health care proposal by Dems/Obama shows how right-wing the Democrats are, which means they govern for the benefit of Big corporations (Big Phrama, Big insurance, etc.) and NOT for the benefit of American people AND what utter complete lunatics Republicans are whom are even more right-wing than the Democrats. After all the so called health care bill proposed by Democrats/Obama in Dec/2009:

1- Does NOT bring about Universal health care, that is everyone having access to same health care due to the Government being entitled to Tax us. It supposedly brings it to 94% of people, that means 18Mill Americans will continue to die or go bankrupt due to lack of health care.

2- Does not even end such a criminal murderous practice of denying people who are ill with health care because they are ill (aka pre-existing condition), an act that is so EVIL that in any European country you would go to Jail for it. To be exact the Dems proposed health care reform supposedly ends this practice, but get this, NOT until 2014! This means at least an additional 200,000 Americans will DIE due to this EVIL pre-existing condition in US health care system, where they would be living if they lived in any European nation or any developed nation (1).

3- Does not bring health care costs in US in line with rest of the developed World, which means cut health care costs to 9% of GDP as it is in all European countries, Canada, etc. whom all have Universal Nationalized Health Care.

So the only answer to health care is to do what all European countries, Canada, Australia, Japan, Israel (the favorite country of right-wingers) etc. developed nations have ALL done about health care which is to operate health care on a Universal Nationalized basis which means couple of key things:

1- Every one gets the same health care for their obligation to pay Taxes,
2- Health care is pretty much operated on a not-for-profit bass,
3- Salary of people working in the Universal Nationalized health care system are set by our Government, as they are
set by the Governments of UK, Canada, Japan, etc. and in fact as our Government sets the salaries of a 4 Star General,
an Admiral, a Federal Judge, etc.

U can read much more here:
http://www.anoox.com/blog/UHC.37004

Posted by: RealNews1 | January 14, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

This whole thing STINKS! It is made up of bribes and shell games.

Team Obama has lost respect and credibility as a result of their handling of something that affects every American!!

Hope there will be a third party who will force TERM LIMITS --- including the executive!!

Posted by: wheeljc | January 14, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Just how will this help the person, who has a pre-existing condition and is not eligible for a group health care plan, get affordable health insurance?

Posted by: johnplover1 | January 14, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

The Japanese and Chinese are gonna be loving this one. These "foreign" automakers, in particular, are going to see their cost advantage soar after Guvament Motors and the other two end up paying even higher salaries to the autoworkers while the UAW continues to lobby over the next five years to keep their generous health benefits (along with vision, dental and, let's not forget - legal).

That $50 billion investment we made in GM isn't looking very good right now, is it?

Posted by: magellan1 | January 14, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

So how are we going to pay for this bill? BO said he would not sign a bill that was not save the taxpayers money. If we do not tax the cadillac coverage for the labor unions, where will the money come from?

Posted by: dy19spider57 | January 14, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The real problem with this union deal is the basic unfairness.Obama and the Democrat leadership welcome Trumpy from the AFL/CIO and the boss of the SEIU and they work in secret to exempt their union members from the Cadillac tax.The non union employee and the small business owner get no break.The cost implications are not even a factor in the impact on a deficit neutral health care bill which will not happen.This is no longer good government in action.We are being trampled by a corrupt crew of people who are power mad and will destroy anyone in their path.

Posted by: bowspray | January 14, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

It is so nice to see the unions at the White House negotiating with Pelosi, Reid, and Obama, and how quickly all three have given in to their major supporters who now rule whether health care passes or not.
So they get no taxes for 7 years, part of their health care coverage ignored and now have a sweet deal for themselves.
Have they stated yet how much this will cost the rest of those "non union" Americans who will now be picking up their tab for them?

Posted by: justmyvoice | January 14, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

The Unions give give give and for some reason the right wing still screams. Is this some sort of conditioned response to the word "Union" or "Labor"?

Posted by: theobserver4
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What exactly are you giving?

Posted by: mike83631 | January 14, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

NFL Athletes making $99 million for a 5 year contract will not be taxed,

but the florist who owns her own shop and has a "cadillac plan" will be taxed at a rate of 40%.

Call your congressman or woman. Tell you didn't vote for Tony Soprano.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | January 14, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

The taxes will be postponed for organized labor to give them until 2015 to renegotiate their contracts.

WTF?

I can't belive that even the unions are so incompetent that they need 5 years from now to "get ready" for the tax increase.

More likely, they need 5 years for people to forget about their deal and bribe (i.e. campaign contributions) the government into exempting them altogether.

Posted by: paulthiel1 | January 14, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama promised these negotiations would be done in the light of a C-SPAN camera for all to see over and over and over and over! He broke his promise and lied to all the American people. What is it that is so bad that Obama had to break his promise and lie???? After the Louisiana Purchase and the Cornhusker Kickback can you imagine the corrupt deal that must have been cut for the Unions? Can you imagine how many hundreds of billions it will cost the rest of us?

Posted by: valwayne | January 14, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm so glad we make public policy to kiss the butts of the unions.

Posted by: mike83631 | January 14, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Chalk another one up for the good guys. All you teabaggers crying out there only have your republican representatives to blame for not believing the democrats would get health-care done.
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So I take it you support having closed meetings between representatives and their major monetary contributors then. Cause that really is all this was.

Posted by: websterr1 | January 14, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

This has stink all over it. Pathetic!

Posted by: Jaymand | January 14, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The labor unions are digging their own grave even deeper, after the GM and Chrysler bailouts and now this sweetheart tax exemption deal the American people will turn on the Unions because they don't care what happens to the rest of the tens of millions of middle class workers!!!

They may have won this battle but they will lose the war.

Posted by: cautious | January 14, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

hey julescator....true Obama is a lawyer, a stupid one, but a lawyer, What do lawyers do best?? Lie.. The whole team, OBAMA/Pelosi/Reid have no shame for anything. Obama was running to help Haiti, but took him 3 figgin months to figure out how to protect this country and our soldiers! I am sick of hearing his "US is sorry" speeches, his sorry butt should be impeached!

Posted by: mdweber>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You have the nerve to call Obama dumb after you just compared reacting to humanitarian catastrophe to a war strategy that your hero GW didn't care about for the 7 years troops were dying there. Ill send you my address so you can send me some of whatever drug your on cause it must be good.

Posted by: whatdyousay | January 14, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Caution to all of us that have wandered into the palace in land of Ozama. While we are distracted by the crisis in Haiti, the man ??? behind the curtain and his army of flying monkeys, et al, are cutting more sweet deals with the powers that got them where they are, ie unions, etc. Keep alert, they will attempt to "sneak" thru any number of programs and plans, all in the name of reshaping this nation into their vision, an ugly distorted one built upon the bodies of our military, the unemployed, out of work, out of homes, out of real hope for help. How quickly we respond to the disaster in our neighbors yard, when the foundation of this country, the Constitution and Bill of Rights is being torn to pieces.

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." Thomas Jefferson.

Do Not remain silent, do not stop speaking out against the corruption, lies, distortions, secrecy of this adminstration.

Posted by: upgp46 | January 14, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

In hundreds of articles referring to "Cadillac" plans, I have never seen anyone explain how federal mandates would permit anything BUT Cadillac plans: Guaranteed issue regardless of health and other risk-related conditions, no lifetime benefit limits, no annual benefit limits, caps on out-of-pocket costs, no deductibles or copayments for preventive care. And just imagine Congress allowing plans to exclude any coverage that any provider group or health advocacy group wants, such as prescription drugs, mental health treatment, addiction treatment, tobacco cessation, etc. Just how in the name of all that is right and holy does a "Cadillac" tax restrain spending when Cadillac benefits will have to be provided?

Posted by: montgrl | January 14, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"Advocates argued that few people would pay the tax, because they would be more likely to choose less costly health insurance policies, a choice that would help drive overall health costs lower."

That seems flawed. If someone is currently spending that much for a health care plan, there is a reason, and whatever that reason is, it will not be included in the "less costly" policies. This is mere class envy, writ large, nothing more.

Posted by: INTJ | January 14, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."

well said, mr. obama

Posted by: simonsays1 | January 14, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

hey julescator....true Obama is a lawyer, a stupid one, but a lawyer, What do lawyers do best?? Lie.. The whole team, OBAMA/Pelosi/Reid have no shame for anything. Obama was running to help Haiti, but took him 3 figgin months to figure out how to protect this country and our soldiers! I am sick of hearing his "US is sorry" speeches, his sorry butt should be impeached!

Posted by: mdweber | January 14, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Another special deal for big Obama contributors. Another smoke filled room deal from he who would be transparent for 12 % of the labor force at expense of the rest of us. Really getting sick of people trying to use my taxes to buy off whiners and motor mouths.

Come on Nov...out with them and their cronies...you aren't in Chicago anymore todo...we don't take this blatent nonesense..

Posted by: jacques21 | January 14, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

China is very happy about the giveaway to unions. IT welcomes all businesses and manufacturers who are fleeing US soil to get away from the union thugs. Notice those union jerks don't spend alot of time working, but an awful amount of time lobbying and bribing politicians?

BADDA BING.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | January 14, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Chalk another one up for the good guys. All you teabaggers crying out there only have your republican representatives to blame for not believing the democrats would get health-care done. They made their bets and now they have to live with them.

Posted by: whatdyousay | January 14, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I wish that the media would explain what the formula is for deciding what is a Cadillac plan.

Example: Would the tax be on the premium paid per year on an insurance policy. E.g., if I pay a $2,000 co-premium and my employer pays the remaining $6,000 co-premium, would the tax relate to the $8000 total premium? In other words, there would be no tax on an $8000 yearly premium.

I don't understand how high premiums correlate with Cadillac health insurance plans. Just because someone pays high premiums doesn't mean that the person is getting much insurance coverage. I just don't understand.

Posted by: RockvilleBear | January 14, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

RobParker writes:

"...you doofus."

Ouch! That really hurts.
I guess you think the GOP
works for you. As far as
I can tell the twin towers haven't
been knocked down.

Oh, that's right. They're gone.
Some guy gets on a plane
with gunk in his trunk and
conservatives are running
for the hills.

Untwist your panties and man up.
The republicans are never, ever
going to do anything for you.

Not saying the Democrats
have been much better, but
as a tax paying citizen I
like a government that
believes global warming is
a threat, is trying to do something
about health care, the
environment and education.

But if that bothers you...cool.

Posted by: printthis | January 14, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Beginning with Bush's victory in the 2000 election, the democrats screamed and hollered. This never stopped for 8 years. Obama comes along and his adoring media sold him onto the ignorant voters.

Blacks voted for him w/over 95% of their voting bloc simply because he was black.
The young voted for him because of some simple and naive belief (as well as their professor's told them to) of 'give peace a chance', 'change we can believe in', 'change the way we do business in Washington', work in a TRULY bi-partisan fashion', and the list goes on.

Today, we find that this whole thing was a lie. Conservatives fought long and hard to have the media provide insight into the candidate they adored. None was provided. Instead, they went in mass to Alaska to investigate Sarah Palin. They wrote article after article detailing how she had the audacity to wear 'Gucci' clothes while the 'poor' went hungry. All the while paying homage and providing accolades to Michele Obama. Reporters wrote article after article fawning over Obama and even one reporter wetting himself.

Today, we have an economy that is in shambles. We have terrorists who have attacked this country more times in the past year than any year after 2001.

Today, we have an organization that teaches prostitutes how to cheat on taxes. We have an administration that promised transparency and has everything in its power to hide anything and everything.

Today, we have an administration that is willing to throw 1/2 or more of the population out the window to pass a bill that is without a doubt the most corrupt bill in the annals of history. Any country's history!

So all you liberal twits out there remember this song: 'Liberals, get ready, there's a train a comin'. 'Won't need no ticket, you'll just be thrown on board'.

Posted by: Fred38 | January 14, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Dodd is the Face of the Democrat Party.

Is Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Dodd/Democrats trust worthy to do anything...Hell NO...

Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Dodd/Democrats are Crap on steroids...

Amercans are waking up and the plague of Buyers Remorse is spreading.....GOOD
BTW, you like You Tube, Watch the rebroadcasts of the congressional hearings investigating FNMA in 2004 2005. Watch the Deocrats lying and defending the really BAD LOANS FNMA HAS MADE FOR YEARS and stacking up mounds of TOXIC ASSETS...

It's no wonder Obama doesn't really want CSPAN in on the so called Health care reform debacle...
Obama is counting on ignorance of the public who are busy trying to make a living...

Obama LIES...

Posted by: sophic | January 14, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

the union and the democrats meeting in secret are traitors to the American way of life

Posted by: tonyjm | January 14, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse


Well, join one! Either get off your behind and fight for yourself or stop complaining that everyone else isn't as weak as you. (Wimps love company?)
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There is absolutely no way I'd EVER join a Union. No way at all...

Posted by: websterr1 | January 14, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

It is my understanding that the Constitution does not allow disparity and class separation with regard to the levying of taxes.

Posted by: VEttariPEPC
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A-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA-aaahhh...good one. Were you tossing that chestnut around when Bush was giving 2.4 trillion dollars to the richest 1% of America? No, no you were not.
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This whole thing is beginning to stink to high hell.. to put in "plain English".

Signed..
Disappointed Liberal

Posted by: Ramblin23
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A-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA-aaahhh...good one. Were you tossing that chestnut around when you voted for Bush twice and McCain last year? No, no you were not.
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I AM SO ANGRY!!! This administration and the ridiculous JOKE of a Congress is HELL BENT on destroying our nation. KILL THE BILL!!! KILL THE BILL!!! KILL THE BILL!! Obama, Reid and Pelosi should be in PRISON!

Posted by: mgrabber
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A-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA-aaahhh...good one. Uh...I just enjoy your frustration.
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Pass it.
Go ahead.
See what happens.

Posted by: robtay12003
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They will.
Okay then.
Nothing good. For the GOP.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | January 14, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I say impeach, The Tricky Kenyan.

Posted by: dashriprock | January 14, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. ... We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end." Love, Nancy, Harry, Barry and the boys.

Posted by: patilee | January 14, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again, The American people now have another group to hate and an great reason to buy foreign made everything, this country is doomed if we are going to be treated as separate classes. We all know that the left is elected by going against the grain of the mainstream and uses it's left leaning special interest groups to get elected, now they are using this same base to finish projects that are totally unfair and out of control.

Posted by: matchstick1222 | January 14, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

The Unions give give give and for some reason the right wing still screams. Is this some sort of conditioned response to the word "Union" or "Labor"?

My job is not Union and I've got benefits that'll fall into this qualifier. It'll be interesting to see how this could possibly drive costs down. I'll be able to pocket the cash difference, but I can gurantee just about everyone else will not see an extra dime while their benefits fall out from under them.

Insurers will stop offering plans that cover a lot of stuff is somehow the solution? HOW DOES THAT DRIVE DOWN COSTS??? Are doctors going to stop doing whatever tests they need or is everyone just going to get nailed with out of pocket expenses?!? I'll take situation #2 for 1000 Alex.......

Posted by: theobserver4 | January 14, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Dodd is the Face of the Democrat Party.

Is Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Dodd/Democrats trust worthy to do anything...Hell NO...

Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Dodd/Democrats are Crap on steroids...

Amercans are waking up and the plague of Buyers Remorse is spreading.....GOOD
BTW, you like You Tube, Watch the rebroadcasts of the congressional hearings investigating FNMA in 2004 2005. Watch the Deocrats lying and defending the really BAD LOANS FNMA HAS MADE FOR YEARS and stacking up mounds of TOXIC ASSETS...

It's no wonder Obama doesn't really want CSPAN in on the so called Health care reform debacle...
Obama is counting on ignorance of the public who are busy trying to make a living...

Obama LIES...

Posted by: sophic | January 14, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

My question is, doesn't Congress have Cadillac plans that will be taxed at the 40% rate? Or have they exempted themselves?

Posted by: maddymappo | January 14, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

SOS people. political BS. more on the waste of our people and $$$$ for the WAR with the muslim lunatics. finish it then talk what is RIGHT for our country.

Posted by: pofinpa | January 14, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

ALL OF YOU CAN STOP YOUR BACK AND FORTH. THIS BILL WILL MAKE IT'S WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT AS YOU CAN NOT MANDATE PEOPLE TO BUY HEALTH INSURANC AND YOU CAN NOT MAKE A DEAL WITH AN INDIVIDUL STATE SUCH AS NEBRASKA AND EXPECT THE OTHER STATES TO PAY THEIR MEDICADE COSTS. STATE AG'S ALL OVER THE US ARE PREPARING THE LAWSUIT AS WE SPEAK. AND IF IT GETS TO THE SUPREME COURT, IT WILL BE OVERTURNED. GOOD TRY BY THE LIBERALS BUT THEY ARE GOING TO FAIL. HARRY REID AND NANCY PELOSI WILL GO DOWN AS THE TWO WORST LEGISLATORS IN AMERICAN HISTORY. MAN I WOULD HATE TO BE ONE OF THEIR KIDS AND GRANDCHILDREN WHO WILL HAVE TO LIVE WITH THAT SHAME. LIBERALS SUCK!


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When the right is whining and screaming this much, the President is on the right track.

Who gives you your legal advice - Rush Limbaugh? lol lol

Our President is a Constitutional Lawyer. Tell rush - thanks but no thanks!

Posted by: Julescator | January 14, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Unions get a kiss and seniors get screwed.

Posted by: farmsnorton | January 14, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

The Dems have done it again - another Bribe to pass healthcare - these Dems have no sense whatsoever of honor or responisibility. If someone acted like this in business they would be arrested and found guilty of bribery. The same labor unions that put GM and Chrysler out of business are now calling the shots in the White House.
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The DEMS should have the honor of the GOP. They should lie to go to war for selfish purposes and kill 5000 Americans in the process. Yep that's honor.

Posted by: Julescator | January 14, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

ROCK ON MR. PRESIDENT. WHEN THE RIGHT IS MOANING, GROANING AND WAILING THIS MUCH, YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. KEEP GOING!

Posted by: Julescator | January 14, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

IN RESPONSE TO:..... OwenG .....

Dear OwenG:

I sympathize with you and understand where you are coming from completely. However, please try and understand the other side. People are afraid and confused by the miriad of laws, bills, TARPs, etc., etc., that have inundated our nation within the past 12 months. You must admit we have been in a maelstrom of events for far too long. One crisis after another. This administration has even admitted that one should not let a good crisis go to waste. What an unfortunate statement. And, unless one has had their head in the sand, the off-the-wall events, e.g., the taking over of banks, private industries, forcing unusual rules and regulations on the public. All of these events are in total disagreement with our country's Constitution.

Okay, look at it this way, what if all of a sudden your marriage certificate was no longer valid. Can you imagine the chaos that would create in your personal life? Scary stuff. Well, multiply that by all the citizens in this country, each of us lives in fear of losing our freedoms provided for us under the Constitution. That, OwenG, is what you are seeing here and everywhere. So give each of us a little slack, okay?

Posted by: prossers7 | January 14, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

The unions can't benefit from this if they have no jobs to put workers in.

The next round of defaults is just starting and the number of people out of work will sky rocket.

We are in a depression and will be for the next 10 years. There are no jobs because the premise this administration is working under is a fraud. A scam.

Posted by: Jimmy7 | January 14, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey Donny, Its not what you pay for your Health Insurance, its what your employer and you pay combined. So keep that in mind.

Small businesses pay more for their employees programs because they are considered small groups, they have less barganing power with the carriers, and expensive claims (for instance employees with cancer) affect the group in a disparate way.

Posted by: eiregoddess | January 14, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

What a happy day!

NOT!

Posted by: scollins | January 14, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

As a dumb white guy.. my common sense tells me that this is a bad deal for the American public..

I want 2 extra years too not pay taxes on healthcare or anything else for that matter..

wait i am not a pac or a union... no one works for us poor individuals anymore.

Posted by: robinhood2 | January 14, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Accuracy,

First, you name is meant to be funny right?

Second, labor doesn't just represent minorities. Though, your tone seems to imply that you resent both 1) working people who choose not to be doormats, and 2) minorities, alike.

Websterr1 wrote: "Wait, I'm not IN a Union, so in fact, no one is watching out for me."

Well, join one! Either get off your behind and fight for yourself or stop complaining that everyone else isn't as weak as you. (Wimps love company?)

Pretty unamerican to wish everyone else is as much of a sucker as you are. I wish my fellow travelers well!

Posted by: rat-raceparent | January 14, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Apparently President Barack Obama was willing to go fetch some coffee for the union chiefs.

Posted by: johnson0572 | January 14, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Another secret, back-room, corrupt, special interest deal. Unions are invited, but not elected, Republican representatives. Unions have suddenly become the 4th branch of Gov't.

Pelosi, Reid, Obama - all P.O.S.

Posted by: pgr88 | January 14, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

This is an outrage! First we have privileged States; now we have a privileged class of citizen. These people have got to go ASAP! Obama and his toady Congress' catering to unions is completely over the line.

Posted by: Bender2 | January 14, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

The Constitutional challenge to this corrupt deal (what else would we expect from the Chicago Mafia in the White House and 10 corrupt union bosses) is under way as we write.

Posted by: hz9604 | January 14, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

It's no wonder Obama doesn't really want CSPAN in on the so called Health care reform debacle...
Posted by: sophic
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You left out the Republicans because they did the same thing when Bush was President and the Democrats complained about it. It is BOTH sides doing it.

Posted by: beeker25 | January 14, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

It's time for a "New Public Option"... I say we establish the UCC - Union of Concerned Citizens, and as a "Union", we claim access to this latest sweetheart deal signed behind closed doors by DORP - the Democrat-Obama-Reid-Pelosi Machine...
There is nothing anymore that is so honorable, sacred, inspired, unique or distinctly differential about belonging to a Labor Union that should equate to or translate to their getting a mandated "better deal" at the expense of other taxpayers.
If UCC is denied equal treatment under the law, then unleash the unlawful discrimination lawsuits and make them (DORP) make this right. November 2010 isn't coming soon enough, so let's create the bridge to that better place.
Who wants to join me? UCC dues are nominal - simply say the Pledge of Allegiance out loud at least 12 times a year, and read the Constitution at least once each year. That'll keep most DORPs out.
There you have it... take it and run with it!

Posted by: dbsinOakRidge | January 14, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

What a train wreck this has become and I can't believe that Health Care Reform legislation has become what it is... " Let's Make a Deal". Come November if I find Mickey Mouse or Goofey's names on the ballot I will vote for them first before any incumbents running for re-election to the House or Senate of the United States!!!

Posted by: lunashot1 | January 14, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Yep, ol Benjamin Franklin about sausages and laws.

Posted by: SolarWind71 | January 14, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

If you do not like what your lawmakers are doing by all means work to replace them in the next election cycle. And remember to support the ones that are working hard for you and all of us.

Posted by: OwenG
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You left out one thing: redistricting is made by politicians rather than independent commissions in order insure they or the party remains safe seats . As it stands now the House has a 98% safe seat rate because the district is divided in a way amounts to gerrymandering just like in my district.

Posted by: beeker25 | January 14, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Dodd is the Face of the Democrat Party.

Is Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Dodd/Democrats trust worthy to do anything...Hell NO...

Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Dodd/Democrats are Crap on steroids...

Amercans are waking up and the plague of Buyers Remorse is spreading.....GOOD
BTW, you like You Tube, Watch the rebroadcasts of the congressional hearings investigating FNMA in 2004 2005. Watch the Deocrats lying and defending the really BAD LOANS FNMA HAS MADE FOR YEARS and stacking up mounds of TOXIC ASSETS...

It's no wonder Obama doesn't really want CSPAN in on the so called Health care reform debacle...
Obama is counting on ignorance of the public who are busy trying to make a living...

Obama LIES...

Posted by: sophic | January 14, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

It saddens my heart to be put in the position of having to take a stand to protect my freedoms guaranteed to me by the Constitution of these United States.

Would that I could sit back, relax and bask in the peace and prosperity and equality presided over by my president. I would give much to be able to do that. Instead, 'we the people' are being forced to act, to voice our concerns and point out the inequities coming forth from our government today. Special interests, lobbyists, Unions all stand at the front of the line now instead of in their rightful place in society that they should be filling. I would greatly prefer not to be forced to say, 'Stop, reconsider your ways as they are not in line with our country's constitution.' Very disheartening, indeed.

Posted by: prossers7 | January 14, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I can't wait til once again we wage unnecessary wars, let banks rob the poor, let the government give even more tax
breaks to the super wealthy, pollute the environment, gouge
education and health care, ignore disasters like Katrina, ignore
threats like 'Osama bin Laden is about to attack...

Please child...

Posted by: printthis | January 14, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse
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Funny.

Your statement would pretty much hold true today against the current regime.

They're nothing if not for Big Banks, Big Health Insurance, Labor Unions.

Terrorists are still able to board aircraft with explosives and Obama has managed to continue war in Iraq and ESCALATE the war in Afghanistan. Gitmo is still open and fully operational.

The only difference between now and the Bush years is the the economy is MUCH MUCH worse today and unemployment is 40% higher.

You liberals sure know how to make progress.

You doofus....

Posted by: RobParker | January 14, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

How is adding this tax on "Cadillac" plans going to bring down the costs specifically?

The insurance you have sets your liabilities and determine who pays what portion of the costs. A high benefit plan, means the consumer gets better benefits - lower deductible, lower out of pocket costs - and the employer pays the rest of the costs. This assumes it is a self-insured company but most large corporations are.

If the unions renegotiate the high benefit plans to ones that would not be considered a "Cadillac" plan that just means the consumers out-of-pocket costs are going to go up. Their premiums will go down because the benefits aren't as rich, but if when they go to the doctor or get a prescription that cost will be higher to the consumer.

A procedure or prescription costs what it costs. Insurance just defines how much you pay for it and how much the company pays for it.

Posted by: mdmikeh | January 14, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if this tax automatically includes secondary policies for those of us who are on Medicare. I'm a single woman who has been on SSD for 19 years.

Posted by: cdah | January 14, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely disgusting.

Posted by: wcmillionairre | January 14, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

" hope Americans can see how truly pathetic Democrats are. We need to end this nonsense."

Yes, I can't wait til once again we wage unnecessary wars, let banks rob the poor, let the government give even more tax
breaks to the super wealthy, pollute the environment, gouge
education and health care, ignore disasters like Katrina, ignore
threats like 'Osama bin Laden is about to attack...

Please child...

Posted by: printthis | January 14, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I imagine these negotiations were on C-SPAN? Good thing the Unions, Fannie, Freddie, Pharma, AIG, lawyers, insurance companies, healthcare companies, etc don't have lobbyists otherwise people may think Obama broke another promise.

More change you can believe in if the price is right. How many other deals don't we know about and at what price?

Posted by: Tostitos | January 14, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Fancydog, if you’re paying $975 a month due to your wife, you still haven’t reached the “Cadillac Plan” threashhold which is $13,000 for families. Your total insurance is still $10,500 a year so you would not be taxed.
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But, when bad legislation plus inflation cause all premiums to rise above the threshold, guess what? Everybody is suddenly the owner of a Cadillac plan. And, it is just too convenient a source of income for the Fed. Gov. so they ignore the problem. Just like the current AMT debacle.

Posted by: primegrop | January 14, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Unions, one must not forget, is part and parcel to the current health care cost crisis.

The ugly head of Organized Crime shows itself in closed door meetings with WH and Union thugs...where's CSPAN to cover these ''negotiotions"? Where's the NEW O'Bama transparency? Hogwash promises to get elected.

UNIONS represent who?
MINORITY workforce --but privaledged PUBLIC (state & federal employees, teachers & professors in state systems, fire departments, police departments, etc);
Some ''PRIVATE'' (auto (ObamaMotors), steel workers, etc) companies

ORGANIZED POLITICS -O'Bama's Clintonite/Chicago White House, is responsible for perpetuating the high costs of health care for majority of all working Americans by inflated health care costs.

By the O'Bama WH guaranteeing ongoing ''Rolls Royce'' Union health care plans for the minority, he is attempting to guarantee also -in exchange for Union endorsement, the Democrat vote in elections, by way of recommending Union members vote along Union lines for their ''recommended'' candidates.

What a complete racket. It is ORGANIZED POLITICS & ORGANIZED LABOR teaming up to RAPE the majority of Americans, by special interest groups.

It is an utter shame. Don't be duped Americans.

Posted by: Accuracy | January 14, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Oh, yes, yes, master Obama. Just tell the rest of we unfortunate peons how much you will demand that we pay to cover your largesse to the UNIONS, SEIU, ACORN, ACCE, etc., that paid for your campaign.

These 'agreements' pre-arranged by this administration would have imprisoned these government workers back when our forefathers set forth our Constitution. But, what's that got to do with it anyway, huh?

Posted by: prossers7 | January 14, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

We have a lot of people in this thread who are shooting from the hip without much knowledge of the many issues involved. Okay, free country.

Many of the respondents are being less than civil in their comments. Okay, it's a free country, isn't it?

Some of the people who have posted comments are being downright insulting to our elected representatives who have been constitutionally elected to do this work for us. Oh, the joy of living in a free country!

Freedom survives when a responsible and educated citizenry is willing to deal respectfully with each other. Freedom survives when there is compromise in the political process.

I do not think any of us would prefer to live in a political system run by the loudest or most obnoxious. That is a choice each of us gets to make each time we engage.

By all means disagree, but please, do so in a reasoned and civil manner.

Contrary to what some believe, it is hard work getting good laws agreed upon and passed. Health Care is very hard. Throwing stink bombs at the people trying to do that work is harmful to all of us.

If you do not like what your lawmakers are doing by all means work to replace them in the next election cycle. And remember to support the ones that are working hard for you and all of us.

I will now get off my soapbox to avoid any rotten eggs and cabbages that may be hurled in my direction.

Posted by: OwenG | January 14, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

The freaknut Democrats are moving in desparation mode now. Obama has accomplished NOTHING all year while Congress toiled to create a multi-trillion dollar subsidy for big health insurance and the unions.

Obama plans on being the first president ever to hold the State of the Union into likely mid-February to wait for passage of this garbage so he can have something to talk about.

I hope Americans can see how truly pathetic Democrats are. We need to end this nonsense.

Posted by: RobParker | January 14, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

WOW, what a relief.
My Union is "watching out for me".
Wait, I'm not IN a Union, so in fact, no one is watching out for me. Just some backroom deals being made between two sides that in reality, are on the same side. I guess that means I can just ignore this whole Health Care "Reform" mess and not have to worry about paying out more in taxes or premiums, or having less benefits than I have now right? Um...right?

Naturally all the talks will be filmed on CSPAN right? Um...right?

Posted by: websterr1 | January 14, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm forming Jim's labor union.

Want to join?

Free tax benefits.

Dues are $10 to any Haiti relief charity.

Posted by: jfv123 | January 14, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm forming Jim's labor union.

Want to join?

Free tax benefits.

Dues are $10 to any Haiti relief charity.

Posted by: jfv123 | January 14, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I just find it funny that liberals are still supporting this clown after he has repeatedly broken campaign promises in his management of this effort. Why is Obama and Pelosi so afraid to let Americans see their "closed door" negotiations? What is it that they are afraid of? Are they afraid that they be exposed for not truly understanding the problem facing americans. Are they afraid that they will be exposed for providing perks for special interest groups? It is just amazing how this administration talks about transparency and being held accountable, but quickly moved behind closed doors when the situation suits them best.

Thanks Obama, keep up the good work! I hear unemployment numbers are looking good too! Now at 11%, nice! What a joke! You're in over your head!

Posted by: sanmateo1850 | January 14, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

This will be a defacto income tax on LOTS of people with incomes less than $250,000. Gee, Barry broke another promise. I'm shocked and dismayed. My HopeyChangey saviour why hath thou forsaken me? SUCKERS!

Posted by: dgb100 | January 14, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

What on earth are you blathering about? Unions are as Democrat as you can get and I don't think Jesus went to the cross to absolve us from the sin of being a union member.
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Christians and Republicans should quit their union jobs if they can't refuse to fund the union. Jesus would have died to avoid such a sin. And Republicans, think of it this way, people have died to preserve your freedom, it is the least you can do to quit your union job.

Posted by: dgb100 | January 14, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Spineless and corrupt. So much for Hope & Change. This Administration is worse than all others with all the special interest deal=making. Chicago mentality. Thuggery!

Posted by: BJD55 | January 14, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

ALL OF YOU CAN STOP YOUR BACK AND FORTH. THIS BILL WILL MAKE IT'S WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT AS YOU CAN NOT MANDATE PEOPLE TO BUY HEALTH INSURANC AND YOU CAN NOT MAKE A DEAL WITH AN INDIVIDUL STATE SUCH AS NEBRASKA AND EXPECT THE OTHER STATES TO PAY THEIR MEDICADE COSTS. STATE AG'S ALL OVER THE US ARE PREPARING THE LAWSUIT AS WE SPEAK. AND IF IT GETS TO THE SUPREME COURT, IT WILL BE OVERTURNED. GOOD TRY BY THE LIBERALS BUT THEY ARE GOING TO FAIL. HARRY REID AND NANCY PELOSI WILL GO DOWN AS THE TWO WORST LEGISLATORS IN AMERICAN HISTORY. MAN I WOULD HATE TO BE ONE OF THEIR KIDS AND GRANDCHILDREN WHO WILL HAVE TO LIVE WITH THAT SHAME. LIBERALS SUCK!

Posted by: Cobra2 | January 14, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Everybody ready to pay extra taxes so that Nebraska can have free medicare? Just as absurd as the unions running healthcare. This is so f------ up.

Posted by: sportsfan2 | January 14, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Unions used to be necessary and good, but now every deal is made at the expense of the rest of the country.

What deal is that when the country goes belly up like GM and Chrysler did?

Teachers' Unions are now a major obstacle to our education reform.

Posted by: dummy4peace | January 14, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Unions used to be necessary and good, but now every deal is made at the expenses of the rest of the country.

What deal is that when the country goes belly up like GM and Chrysler did?

Teachers' Unions are now an obstacle to our education reform.

Posted by: dummy4peace | January 14, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I am generally against this Senate version which taxes the cadillac plans and favor the House version which taxes folks with income over $one million. Now, I've done the math, the numbers negotiated above are not actually as bad as I thought.

After watching my premiums more than double in the last decade, I assumed I covered my family with a "cadillac plan"...we do not have an HMO, but a plan that allows us to use any doctor. I pay just over $13k/yr to cover my entire family. We would not be affected by the tax.

Now, I'm curious:

How many folks actually would fall in the "cadillac plan" category.... i.e. Does your health coverage exceed $23,000/yr in premiums?

Posted by: free-donny | January 14, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SURTAX ON THE WEALTHIEST 1-2% OF THE POPULATION, WHO AS A GENERAL RULE HAVE MADE OUT QUITE WELL WHILE THE REST OF US HAVE BEEN SQUEEZED??????????

Posted by: SuePastinChicago | January 14, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

It is horrible that the president, Pelosi and Reid have caved in and given the Unions a special deal. The Unions are the problem with the fall of the American auto industry and the government is rewarding them now.

And the rest of us are left with higher taxes , secret meetings and higher taxes.

I hope the American people wake up and vote all the crooks out in the next elections.

Posted by: tonyjm | January 14, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

belttari159: I am curious about your desire to pass card check. One provision is to get rid of the CLOSED (Secret) BALLOT. If the union has such a great offer, this provision would not be necessary. With it you have great opportunity for intimidation. Same with this health bill. If it was so great you would not have to BRIBE congress folks to vote for it and you would see the whole thing on C-SPAN. AS we were promised. Oh yes, another broken promise!

Posted by: seltzerdental | January 14, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

If this doesn't show people that Democrats are anti-American, nothing will.

Posted by: garys_opinion | January 14, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I still dont get the logic for imposing a tax on companies that provide robust healthcare for their employees. They are doing the right thing by offering serivces above and beyond what their competitors do. So they get penalized for it? It just seems strange that tax isn;t imposed on employers who do not offer better coverage. Imposing a special tax on "cadillac plans" is like imposing a special excise tax on people who make charitable contributions. It is just strange how Democratic logis works. Oh but wait, maybe Obama should call it a penalty not a tax. That way he can spin it that he didn't "raise taxes"! LOL!!! This admistration is a joke, and so is this so called healthcare plan...2012 cant come soon enough. Can we call a special election like California did?

Posted by: sanmateo1850 | January 14, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Worse and worse.

Posted by: rusty3 | January 14, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama wants his piece of bragging and history rights at his State of the Union so badly that he is now buying off the unions who spent hundreds and hundreds of millions to get him elected.
So will that mean more of out medicare to pay for the unions' share of the shared sacrifice, or more for every state except Nebraska to make up the shortfall for Obama union supporters not paying? Who pays instead of Obama voters and supporters?

Posted by: justmyvoice | January 14, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

You know, I'd like to see what the definition of a "Cadillac" plan is. Is it purely based on cost? If so, people with health conditions such as Diabetes who now pay $1,000 per month for their health plan are going to be penalized. And, the benefits are not increased one iota. Where the heck is the fairness or equity in that.

Very, very sad that our politicians are going to oversee a private area they have little to no knowledge of.

Posted by: KsK9 | January 14, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

All this with something that Congress does NOT even have the power to have their noses into to begin with!

Wow!

Wake-up, America!

Get these thieves out of power!

Debra J.M. Smith
of Informing Christians

Posted by: DebraJMSmith | January 14, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Okay, with this latest special interest deal, we can expect the following to occur in upcoming election cycles:
2010--Shortly after the signing of the Health Reform legislation, those with insurance coverage see a sharp spike upward in their premiums as indusrty fees and taxes are passed on to consumers. This upward spiral places many of the middle class into the 40% cadiliac tax bracket. Resentment is further fueled by the exemption given to the unions. The Dems lose control of the House, with their Senate majority cut to 54.
2012--With premiums still skyrocketing, resentment continues to mount. The insurance companies, meanwhile, exploit a legislative loophole and slap 40% premium surcharges on those not passing "wellness" citeria. This includes the 70% of Americans who are considered overweight. Dems lose the White House, but hold on to a slim one seat Senate majority.
2014--The individual mandate kicks in, and young Americans suddenly discover that they have to purchase insurance at twice the price charged in 2010 (thanks to the age ratio being reduced). Others continue to pay extraordinary high premiums, as Dems point out that they didn't really promise to reduce health care costs, only to "bend the curve." Voters respond by removing Senate control from the Dems, making it a clean sweep.

Posted by: mtpeaks | January 14, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

WTF? Since when do unions get to run the country?

Oh, I forgot, they put Obarmarx in the White House and this is payback.

Unions are the most powerful special interest group in the USA today.

Posted by: TruData | January 14, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Christians and Republicans should quit their union jobs if they can't refuse to fund the union. Jesus would have died to avoid such a sin. And Republicans, think of it this way, people have died to preserve your freedom, it is the least you can do to quit your union job.

Posted by: Salverda | January 14, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama has been raping the countryside farmers and pillaging the churches to pay for his high priced hoe (Unions).

That has got to stop!

Posted by: prossers7 | January 14, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Chucksiii Are you just no realizing OBAMA will NOT FULFILL HIS PROMISE, WHEN HAS HE? he hasn't kept one promise he has made, all we get is a well written excuse. And this will go on for another 3 years. HANG ON PEOPLE it is going to be a very bumpy ride..

Posted by: itscc721 | January 14, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Chucksiii Are you just no realizing OBAMA will NOT FULFILL HIS PROMISE, WHEN HAS HE? he hasn't kept one promise he has made, all we get is a well written excuse. And this will go on for another 3 years. HANG ON PEOPLE it is going to be a very bumpy ride..

Posted by: itscc721 | January 14, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

How's that hope and change working for you?

Posted by: gorams1 |
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The same way that "Compassionate change" and a "guy to have a beer with" worked with Bush. Did you enjoy the beer?

Posted by: bnw173 | January 14, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

This is the first step in reform. Clearly the government is bought and paid for by either big labor of big corporations. Personally, I’m on the side of big labor. Indirectly, the labor movements have mad all of our lives better. We do not live in a communist state so some people are going to make more than others. I say don’t hate the unions join them. We need to be responsible for ourselves and in today’s word collective bargaining is the only way. After the healthcare bill gets done we have need to pass card check, so every American can get the same benefits as the union. If companies want to close and move to a different country then they need to be taxed for the lost jobs.

Posted by: belttari159 | January 14, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight, Congress wants to tax my insurance plan because my employer is willing to provide robust benefits. In order to avoid this tax, which my employer must rely on the fact that it will not be passed through by the insurance company. Surely, those benevolent folks at Blue Cross will be willing to pay the tax for me, right? Ok, maybe not.

So then, in order to prevent paying the excise tax, my employer will have to reduce benefits to get under the limit. Wait, doesn't that cost me more out of pocket, either in higher co-insurance or deductibles? Oh, well that can't be because the bill says deductibles can't be too large. Back to paying the tax.

And this is supposed to bring down the cost of medical care delivered by my doctor and hospital? Wait, it must..it has to...Nancy Pelosi said.

Maybe this is why the Dems had to cut political favors within their own party to get 60 votes. I'm not a Michael Bennet fan, but perhaps Colorado's junior Senator was right to try to disavow any part in this debacle playing itself out before America's eyes.

Posted by: riskexcellence | January 14, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I don;t care what anyone says, WHEN THE WASHINGTON CLAN says TAX you can bet we will get hit one way or another. Just like when OBAMA forced CREDIT CARD COMPANIES to LOWER Their fees,we got a big boast in our INTEREST RATES. he is imposing a TAX on BIG BANKS to get back TAX PAYERS MONEY he handed out to these LOW LIFES, and you can bet that these BANKS WILL FIND A WAYTO SNEAK in some kind of FEE on US to recoup the tax OBAMA and company is imposing on them, WE GET HIT TWICE, the first time handing over BILLIONS the second time GETING HIT WITH SOME KIND OF HALF @** fee to get back the tax OBAMA is imposing. EVERY TIME he opens
his mouth WE GET $CR&WED. I wish someone would DUCT TAPE his mouth shut...

Posted by: itscc721 | January 14, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The real intent of the so called Cadillac insurance plan tax is to force the insurance companies to stop offering such plans. This completes the agenda of forcing everyone in this country to have equally bad insurance coverage. The President promised that no-one would loose their current insurance as a result of the new Health Care Law, but this will force insurance companies to stop offering good / Cadillac insurance plans. It seems to me that the President will fail to fulfill his promise!!!

Posted by: chucksiii | January 14, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Why, in the world, is occupant obama negotiating with any damned union? No good will come of this. Bend over Americans, and touch your toes...you are about to see where the wild goose goes.

Posted by: carbar4647 | January 14, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow. This is dense even by liberal standards. 57% of the country is solidly opposed to this legislation. With this in mind, Harry, Barry and San Fran Nan go behind closed doors and carve out more goodies for special interests.

How's that hope and change working for you?

Posted by: gorams1 | January 14, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

The criminal president is living in texas and finally has learned to keep his mouth shut. why not? all his pundits are now claiming that 9-11 did not happen on bushes watch. Seems the only thing the republicans want to work on is revisionist history. A direct cue from the CCCP. George and his criminally insane vp have no interest in what is best for the United States,just themselves and their 1/10th of 1% buddies who don't care about health care, they can pay cash.

Posted by: gcraig19531 | January 14, 2010 2:33 PM
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Liberal mantra: When you are in an unwinnable situation invoke GWB. You are pathetic.

Posted by: Cryos | January 14, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Union members are funding the corruption of our lawmakers. They don’t seem to realize it. Many of them profess to be Christians, many are Republicans. Even these are committing political BRIBERY! Even something “good” is not justified to be done in this way. Christians are committing a sin and will be condemned to eternal damnation, Republicans will be condemned to socialism for generations to come. SAVE YOURSELVES! Stop paying union dues now! Before it is too late!

Posted by: Salverda | January 14, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Sources say?

Where the hell are the open and honest discussions that the POS Odumbo promised on about eight occasions?

These bastards are selling the rest of us down the river in secret, and you news media types apparently approve of it.

Wher are your principles? Oh, that's right you slugs abandoned them a long time ago.

Posted by: LarryG62 | January 14, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Fancydog, if you’re paying $975 a month due to your wife, you still haven’t reached the “Cadillac Plan” threashhold which is $13,000 for families. Your total insurance is still $10,500 a year so you would not be taxed.

Posted by: zvelf | January 14, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse


Kinda like the Cheney meeting with big oil. Although he never told his concessions to them.

But I've been told by the price I'm paying for gas what he conceded to them.

But the Dems must haver been in the meeting too, because they never mention the price either. Anyone else noticed?

Posted by: bnw173 | January 14, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

The criminal president is living in texas and finally has learned to keep his mouth shut. why not? all his pundits are now claiming that 9-11 did not happen on bushes watch. Seems the only thing the republicans want to work on is revisionist history. A direct cue from the CCCP. George and his criminally insane vp have no interest in what is best for the United States,just themselves and their 1/10th of 1% buddies who don't care about health care, they can pay cash.

Posted by: gcraig19531 | January 14, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

>>>Advocates argued that few people would pay the tax, because they would be more likely to choose less costly health insurance policies, a choice that would help drive overall health costs lower

How would it drive overall health costs lower? If I choose a plan with a higher deductible to pay less in premiums, my health care costs will increase. Is my expense not included in overall health costs?

Boy, talk about making deals with the devil. Now the union folks won't be taxed until new contracts are written. Meanwhile, non-union people will be taxed. Isn't this against the constitution to tax unequally?

Posted by: grannysunni | January 14, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Dem4life1 wrote, “This deal is the final straw. I've been a dem my entire life, voted for Obama and contributed to his campaign but this tax is the final straw. GOP, here I come.”

This response makes no sense and is obviously written by a GOP troll in masquerade. This Democratic deal LOWERS the tax to insurance plans, or rather makes the tax apply to fewer of them. So unless you’re for higher taxes on insurance plans, then you shouldn’t be complaining.

Posted by: zvelf | January 14, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow just wow.

I see the usual partisan left is smart enough not to try to post to defend this. I think anyone with a brain sees the corruption involved in this.

Posted by: Cryos | January 14, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

This is BS! I am totally for this Health Insurance reform and I find this taxing of so called cadillac plans a direct assault on the middle class that has health insurance. And then to exempt the Unions in a completely political back room deal. Good luck to the under paid Teachers and middle class workers like myself that work at small companies with a median older workforce. This is totally against Obamas promise that if you have insurance you will get to keep it. He should say you can keep it but you will have to have a high deductible and the price is going sky high. Ridiculous. Absolutely Ridiculous and a major dissapointment.

Posted by: eiregoddess | January 14, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Next up; Trial lawyers will be exempt from paying a surcharge on "Cadillac" health plans. Wake up America! How can the federal government pick and choose who pays this tax and who does not pay. So Joe Plumber or Bill IT Guy who who are not in a union HAVE to pay the surcharge for Plan A, but union guy with Plan A does not. Can any Constitutional Law experts out there tell me if this is AT ALL legal? How can you enact a tax on a particular item that only pertains to certain people who receive that item? Is it just me? If we had an apple tax, but people with brown hair were exempt from paying the tax on that apple, would we be buying it? These people are crazy! They are just making this up as they go, to appease those whom they owe for getting them into office. And we, the middle class working schleps are going to pay for it ALL!!!! HELLOOOOO!!!! Every time I think that this Congress and this President has topped themselves on the audacity scale, they just pour more on! They are stamping the guts out of hard working Americans. This is revolting. AND I'M A FRIGGING MODERATE!!! They keep pushing me further and further to the right though. Wow!!!

Posted by: RedGreen | January 14, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

This deal is the final straw. I've been a dem my entire life, voted for Obama and contributed to his campaign but this tax is the final straw. GOP, here I come.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I think you're probably lying, Anyone with one ear and half sense wouldn't have voted for him in the first place. I found him out in the Primary. He never, I mean never, says what he means or means what he says. From day one.

Those folks with one ear and half sense bought the BS when they voted for him and haven't noticed yet.
I hope you're telling the truth. It would been encouraging to know that one Obamanut finally saw the light.

.

Posted by: bnw173 | January 14, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

It has been reported that the tax on these high value policies would not begin until 2017, giving the unions another "sweetheart deal" which the rest of us will have to pay for. The Obama administration and Congress have again rewarded the unions at the expense of all of the other taxpayers. "The culture of corruption" strikes again!

Posted by: donmarder | January 14, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"State and local workers and union members are exempted until 2017."

More special treatment for Unions. I hope Obama is good for his word and vetos any bill with special interests. If he signs it, he is a liar.

Posted by: primegrop | January 14, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

This is beyond repugnant! Special deal to a bunch of thugs? Big Labor over the American people? They want to force us, by any means possible, into a shoddy Government run health care in an attempt to create a legacy for themself.

Now this atrocity! What is next - are we to be forced to join the union or be discriminated against and punished?

I just do not think this administration gets how fed up the public is becoming.

Posted by: inmanorj | January 14, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

So, mgrabber wants Obama Pelosi and Reid in prison and is blaming Congress for the health care mess. What about the 40 Luddites who openly declare they will do NOTHING, except blame Obama for everything, and spout rhetoric that borders on treason. Working against the president with no sign of any bi-partisanship could backfire. What will they say when then Democratic Party has 75 votes in the Senate? It's time to extract your craniums from your anuses and work for the good of the nation, not against it.

Posted by: gcraig19531 | January 14, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow, talk about protecting your friends! Union members currently make about $200 more per week than their nonunion peers (see table 2 at http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/union2.pdf). In addition, they often get great health insurance benefits. Now unio nmembers with expensive benefits (and high pay) will be able to avoid the taxes anyone else with similar benefits will have to pay? Sure, that seems fair. What a great tool for union member recruitment. Too bad the rest of us will have to pick up the slack. Wish I could buy friends in such high places...

Posted by: EconGirl2 | January 14, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Health care has got to be paid for somehow and passing on this tax to the insurance companies is one way to do it.

Go for it Pres Obama.

Obama 2012.

Posted by: MUPPET | January 14, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

RIRareBreed-Conservative wrote, “Can someone explain how this abomination supports the goal of decreasing cost/improving outcomes in US Healthcare?”

Yes. Insurance exchanges are created so that insurers have to directly compete against one another across state lines, thus lowering plan costs. Families making less than $88,000 a year getting insurance subsidies, lowering the personal costs to them. People with pre-existing conditions cannot be denied coverage, thus improving care for them. The instituting of bundled payments removes doctors’ incentives for more care and tests just to make a profit. The creation of a Medicare Commission of independent experts that can force Congress to vote on reforms as the situation changes over time. The creation of multiple pilot programs to reduce health costs. And yes, taxing Cadillac plans is also a cost control measure.

Posted by: zvelf | January 14, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA = CARTER

One term "Wonder"!!!

Posted by: TexanbygraceofGOD | January 14, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I want to be an Amish union member in Nebraska. Talk about hitting the trifecta!!!

Posted by: Chippewa | January 14, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

My experience with the new taxable insurance's "Cadillac Plans" might be a little different from the regular concept and also pretty scary for me, although I confess that the only thing that caught my attention was that "Cadillac Plans" are the ones exceeding $ 8500.00 in premiums per year. I started insuring my wife with a regular insurance plan that used to cost me $ 350.00 per month. My wife became sick and started going to the Hospital frequently. The more she went to the Hospital the higher the cost of the insurance. It went up to $500.00, then
$ 600.00 plus until it went up to $ 975.00 per month. The end result is that my wife's plan became a "forced Cadillac Plan". Not only I had to pay $ 975.00 per month for the Insurance Policy but also I had to pay 20% of the medical and hospital bills. Deducting the medical expenses from my Federal Tax Return was a blessing, now instead I am going to be taxed? Is this one of the "Cadillac Plans" that President Obama wants to tax?

Posted by: fancydog | January 14, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Since when is the SEIU a major union? Oh wait, only since Lord Obama has been elected to office. And yes, they are nothing but a group of thugs.

Posted by: zendrell | January 14, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

We had several US presidents assassinated but Obama may be the first to kill his self. But as long as he gets his place in history he could care less. Just another one term DIMwit.

Posted by: askgees | January 14, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Barack just takin' care of his crew. Organized labor rules - average taxpayer will take it in the short.

Posted by: Tupac_Goldstein | January 14, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The union exemption is temorary and will be rescinded when it becomes impossible for the unions to fight it. It's the proverbial camel's nose in the tent. Have you ever tried to wrestle a camel?

Posted by: CommonSenseApproach | January 14, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Small Businesses are not unionized, so they will be picking up the tab for Tony Sopranos "waste management" union bosses cadillac plans.

Only 8% of the private sector is unionized. Most people have taken jobs based on a combination of salary and benefits.

The democrats have abandoned the middle class.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | January 14, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Idiots who can't spell are obscene.

Posted by: TomCadorette | January 14, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Who cares? This bill will never become law. It's illegal and the US Supreme Court will kill it. Basically another 4 years under DEM control and nothing accomplished. Unless raping and pillaging is considered an accomplishment. 2010 - 2012.

Posted by: askgees | January 14, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I am not quite sure how you can write a bill like this and exempt unions from the tax while taxing all others. Also how do you make up the money that they expected to raise from this tax? Guess someone else will be taxed.

Posted by: peterdc | January 14, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Uggghhhhhh!!!!
This president is showing his true colors:

He exemplified a true "socialist" in all his policy-making decisions and ensuring the safety of Americans and America.
Union members are "exempt" from taxes on health insurance?
AIG, Fannie/Freddie, GM, Chrysler and thousands of others who can't pay back TARP are "exempt" from paying any fees or taxes?

YOU, OBAMA, ARE OBSENE!!! (and the bumbling Barney Frank,too!)

Posted by: american17 | January 14, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

More Bribes from our criminal President!

Posted by: robtr | January 14, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

This deal is the final straw. I've been a dem my entire life, voted for Obama and contributed to his campaign but this tax is the final straw. GOP, here I come.

Posted by: dem4life1 | January 14, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Non union folks should sue over this. Also every state should sue over Nebraska's sweetheart Medicaid deal. This whole thing is illegal.

Posted by: FLvet | January 14, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Another sweetheart deal for the unions. The end date for negotiating new union deals with the Big 3 and others will pass without mention and ............ no tax on the very generous health plans. Screwed again be the unions, which are now effectively taxing the citizens of this country.

Posted by: richard36 | January 14, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

The November 2010 commercials write themselves:

The democrats picked the unions over workers.


Why picking unions over taxpayers will hurt the democrats in all 50 states, and hundreds of congressional districts.

Six states had union membership rates below 5.0 percent in 2008,
with North Carolina having the lowest rate (3.5 percent). The next
lowest rates were recorded in Georgia (3.7 percent), South Carolina
(3.9 percent), Virginia (4.1 percent), Texas (4.5 percent), and Lou-
isiana (4.6 percent). Three states had union membership rates over
20.0 percent in 2008--New York (24.9 percent), Hawaii (24.3 percent),
and Alaska (23.5 percent).


The largest numbers of union members lived in California (2.7 mil-
lion) and New York (2.0 million). About half (8.0 million) of the
16.1 million union members in the U.S. lived in just 6 states (Cali-
fornia, 2.7 million; New York, 2.0 million; Illinois, 0.9 million;
Pennsylvania, 0.8 million; Michigan, 0.8 million; and Ohio, 0.7 mil-
lion), though these states accounted for only one-third of wage and
salary employment nationally.

State union membership levels depend on both the employment level
and union membership rate. Texas, with 449,000 union members in 2008,
had less than one-quarter as many union members as New York, despite
having over 1.8 million more wage and salary employees. Similarly,
North Carolina and Hawaii had a comparable number of union members
(132,000 and 136,000, respectively), though North Carolina's wage and
salary employment level, at 3.8 million, was almost seven times that
of Hawaii at 562,000.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | January 14, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I've got my Vaseline ready for this new health bill.

Posted by: bnw173 | January 14, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Let me tell you how it will be,
There’s one for you, nineteen for me,
Obama, the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.

Should five per cent appear too small,
Be thankful I don’t take it all.
Obama, the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.

If you drive a car, I’ll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat,
If you get too cold , I’ll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet.
Taxman.

Obama, the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.
Don’t ask me what I want it for
(Taxman! Mister Obama!)
If you don’t want to pay some more
(Taxman! Mister Gaithner!),
Obama, the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.

Now my advice for those who die,
Declare the pennies on your eyes,
Obama the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.

And you’re working for no-one but me.
Taxman

Posted by: lesturgill | January 14, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

This Cadiallac tax plan could force me to convert from a devout liberal Democrat extreme-lifer to a moderate Republican with the stroke of Obama's pen.

Posted by: CommonSenseApproach | January 14, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes, wonderful . . . a deal with union thugs. Doesn't it make you proud?

Posted by: rplat | January 14, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Anyone concerned for taxpayers?

Posted by: JoeTH | January 14, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

It's over.
The Dems have blown it.

Posted by: robtay12003 | January 14, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Union thugs get another deal. Bobby Bright in Alabama just lost his seat, as I suppose will many democrats in Georgia, South Carolina, Florida, Colorado, Texas, Tennessee, Arkansas, etc.

Over 75% of the population is not a member of a union.

Thanks Democrats for giving the house to the republicans.

I think this will guarantee a pick up of 5 senate seats (at least) by republicans.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | January 14, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

this comes as no surprise. i just wonder what the bribe or 'consideration' was that bought their agreement.

arm twisting, bribes, and pay offs. chicago style politics have brought corruptions to new levels in dc. some change huh! making a bad situation worse isn't what was 'hoped' for. yes, he is fundamentally transforming America...into a third world government of corruption and personal profit off the backs of it's citizens.

Posted by: ladyshondra | January 14, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

This will also boost Scott Brown to victory in Massachusetts.

Posted by: robtay12003 | January 14, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Don't panic, folks.
This is actually good news.
It amounts to the final nail in the Democratic Party's coffin.
It's good news for Republicans and for the American people.

Posted by: robtay12003 | January 14, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I see this bill continues the mantra of picking winners and losers.

Too bad non one represents me.

Posted by: dnara | January 14, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse


Repeat after me..."One term loser".

Posted by: ItsOver2 | January 14, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

The purpose of this tax is not so much revenue as it is to erode the private insurance plan base. The Cadallac plans do two things: 1) provide people with coverage that insures they will not ever become a liability to the local government, and 2) are a major source for physician and medical facility income, allowing them to treat those with poor coverage at the reduced cost. it will do nothing but hurt individuals.

Posted by: santosguy | January 14, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Taxation without respresentation? A treading on the bill of rights and dangerous waters for a party concerned with mid-term elections. Is a taxpayer revolt coming this fall? You heard it here first. :) This bill/law will go to the Supreme Court to be stuck down.

Posted by: jeffkatytyler | January 14, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

This is wrong. The union leaders are more worried about their plans being taxed, not the union membership. I voted for Obama, but this kowtowing to unions is beyond the pale. Business as usual.

Posted by: jckdoors | January 14, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

First it was the payoff to Mary Landrieu. Then it was the bribe to Ben Nelson. Now it is a shameful give-away to Big Labor.

When will Obama give ordinary Americans a break? Certainly not in this sweetheart deal for Big Labor.

Lest you think otherwise, remember that taxes on Cadillac Plans are an indispensable funding source for ObamaCare. if Obama guts those taxes, he will eliminate that revenue and thus create even further doubt about the deficit neutrality of his bill

In short, Big Labor will get the benefit, while ordinary tax-paying Americans will get the shaft, as they shoulder the financial burden of Obama's back-door deal with Big Labor.

Posted by: mmcsorley | January 14, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

MORE deals being cut - Kinda makes you wonder who will be left to fund this embarrassment the Democrats are trying to call Health Care/Insurance Overhaul.

First Pelosi and Reid give away millions of dollars in payoffs for votes - sticking US taxpaers with the bill.

Illegal aliens are exempt from buying insurance, encouraging them to continue using hospital ERs for their FREE (insured paid with higher premiums) non-emergency health care.

Americans with "religious objection" will be allowed to opt out without recourse.

Now Obama is sending a kick back the Unions’ way, exempting them from the cadillac tax on their insurance plans. Congress' health insurance plan is paid by the tax payers so, its no skin of their noses - they'll just stick us with the bill for the higher premiums. That leaves Seniors who will be hit with the highest premiums (even if they are healthy) to get hit with the double whammy.

This Bill smells more and more like last week's garbage. And it keeps piling up outside the White House and Congress every time they cut a deal. It just keeps attracting more rats for handouts, payoffs and kickbacks – and with this Congress and Whitehouse, they know this is where they throw out the good stuff.

Posted by: asmith1 | January 14, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Pass it.
Go ahead.
See what happens.

Posted by: robtay12003 | January 14, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

So I voted for BO.. and I'm sitting here actually laughing at this article because of the following statements:

"The 'deal' (too much dealing going on) would temporarily exempt union health plans from a significant surtax" (Imagine that!)

"few people would pay the tax, because they would be more likely to choose less costly health insurance policies, a choice that would help drive overall health costs lower." Joke! (and thanks.. we should all choose inferior plans..while congress continues to get the "cadillac" plans.)


Biggest joke of the article: "much of the revenue is projected to come from higher income tax collections as employers shifted resources away from health care and into wages. But 'skeptics' argued that workers might never see the extra money, and insisted on adjustments." In who's reality does this fantasy exist? And, "skeptics" agrue? Sorry but, anyone in their right mind would "argue"..


Posted by: Ramblin23 | January 14, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

GAC1 wrote: "It is an abomination that Obama would do this but its what I expect from him as he is a selfserving egomaniac who cares nothing for the people of America but only union workers. This has got to be stopped!"

You're also delusional. Unions fought for the public option, employer mandates (so they contribute something), NO EXCISE TAX (not a temporary exemption), and lost on basically all counts. No public option, mandates are swiss cheese, and the excise tax protects the rich.

Business interests won on all counts -- as always, but slightly less than when R's are in charge.

And, you are saying obama only cares about labor? Totally delusional!!!

Congress only cares about money, because we have a corrput electorial system based on money. That would the statement you should have used. It's not just one party, the whole system is rotten.

Look at medicare part D, if you are a die-hard republican. They literally wrote into the law that the gov wasn't allowed to get better prices. No org in the world would forego negotiating for bulk discounts when purchasing that amount of goods, except George W Bush and a Republican congress (spending our tax dollars!) That's as corrupt as you can get.

Posted by: rat-raceparent | January 14, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Will the members of the three branches of government, executive, legislative and judicial, be receiving the Cadillac tax for their insurance coverage?

Posted by: camwb | January 14, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

More bribes.
Unions exempt.
What a surprise.
Let's see...public approval of Obamacare was 37% before this predictable announcement....that should bring it down to about...let's see....Impeachment.
And hopefully jail time.

Posted by: robtay12003 | January 14, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

looneyr wrote, "Obama was claiming that McCain would tax your health care and that it was such a really bad thing that we should vote for Obama to avoid McCain's taxes? What a hypocrite."

While politicians can be hypocrites, Obama has acknowledged that he has changed his mind on this one with it being a compromise with what Republicans wanted.

Posted by: zvelf | January 14, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The more things change the more they stay the same, right? We have gone from greedy murderous lying neocons to greedy murderous lying...not sure what to call the dems...it's all one party and the folks calling the shots continue to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else. F them.

Posted by: mtnmanvt | January 14, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I have a question -- will our glorious Congressmen and women TAX their "cadillac" health care plan - you know, the one THEY are NOT going to give up to participate in the ONE that they are trying to SHOVE down our throats!!!!! Of course NOT, they are always above the rest of us poor, stupid taxpayers. Why, they just know what's best for all of us down here in the boondocks!?!?! HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!

Posted by: rjorda1954 | January 14, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain how this abomination supports the goal of decreasing cost/improving outcomes in US Healthcare? This entire process is so misaligned with the objective of solving our healthcare crisis that it should be scrapped and the work started anew. The premise should be Incremental and Reasonable changes to the existing system to REDUCE COST, IMPROVE OUTCOMES, COVER ALL US CITIZENS.

Posted by: RIRareBreed-Conservative | January 14, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

It looks to me like the help for middle class has gone down the drain at every turn. Maybe the one thing we had was a good insurance policy. The public option which was probably the only chance to get insurance companies to come to the table of reasonableness, is gone, where is the middle class tax break, and if there was any kind of benefit to the people who are paying the TAXES with a job, let's kick them in the back of both knees too!

Posted by: janecolby | January 14, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

This is good news that the health care bill will now get passed. A compromise on taxing the cadillac plans was needed as there are good arguments on both sides to the pros and cons of doing so. A tax is needed, but the threashhold is very debatable. People who are against the bill barely even know what's in it. The bill will prevent insurance companies from discriminating and defrauding us, and unlike the GOP drug prescription plan, the whole thing is more than paid for.

Posted by: zvelf | January 14, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

MHarwick wrote: "Obama, Pelosi and Reid have no shame."

What are you talking about? Pelosi and the house didn't pass an excise tax -- they are fighting it! She's on the side of angels here.

I know, you are used to blaming her for everything, right? I'm sure she caused the earthquake in Haiti, too. Stop watching Faux News...

If you are going to complain about everything, at least be a little informed.

Posted by: rat-raceparent | January 14, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember back during the 2008 Presidential campaign that Obama was claiming that McCain would tax your health care and that it was such a really bad thing that we should vote for Obama to avoid McCain's taxes? What a hypocrite...

Posted by: looneyrl | January 14, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

It is an abomination that Obama would do this but its what I expect from him as he is a selfserving egomaniac who cares nothing for the people of America but only union workers. This has got to be stopped!

Posted by: GAC1 | January 14, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"much of the revenue is projected to come from higher income tax collections as employers shifted resources away from health care and into wages. But skeptics argued that workers might never see the extra money, and insisted on adjustments."

Did someone at the Post actually write that with a straight face? "Seriously?" And.. "skeptics" argue? Excuse me but "anyone in their right mind argues" would be a more accurate statement!

This whole thing is beginning to stink to high hell.. to put in "plain English".

Signed..
Disappointed Liberal

Posted by: Ramblin23 | January 14, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

It's not as if I didn't know what the outcome of these "negotiations" was going to be, but as I read the headline today, I AM SO ANGRY!!! This administration and the ridiculous JOKE of a Congress is HELL BENT on destroying our nation. KILL THE BILL!!! KILL THE BILL!!! KILL THE BILL!! Obama, Reid and Pelosi should be in PRISON!

Posted by: mgrabber | January 14, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree with others...this is NOT the change we were expecting. Well Congress, EXPECT THIS CHANGE....YOU'RE OUTTA THERE COME NOVEMBER.

Posted by: AnnsThought | January 14, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I agree with others...this is NOT the change we were expecting. Well Congress, EXPECT THIS CHANGE....YOU'RE OUTTA THERE COME NOVEMBER.

Posted by: AnnsThought | January 14, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

What about everyone else with good plans? Does the White House care nothing for people but votes? As anyone can see this White House is only interested in its own agenda and not about what Americans show that they want in every survey.

Candidate Obama promised to make a new Washington with openness and care for all. Our President is a LIAR.

Posted by: kdjkdj | January 14, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"For years, (workers have accepted )... health benefits in lieu of higher wages." This was beneficial for the company as well as the employee. These benefits are not "unusually generous health policies plans" but have been earned over many years.

Posted by: EarnedBenefits | January 14, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Surprise, surprise, prostitution is alive and well in Washington. No wonder the majority of Americans despise these self-serving, pandering hypocrites. Parasites on society taking care of their parasitic cronies that have sucked the life out of, among other places, Michigan. Of course, they've exempted themselves from this outrageous health care boondoggle, too. After all it's a health care plan for the peasants, not their imperious selves, is it? Criminals!

Posted by: 65tarheel | January 14, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Wonderful - so I am not a union member and apparently I have a "Cadallic" plan [who knew?] because I am a cancer survior with medical issues and I was trying to be responsible I will now be taxed to support who exactly? Not the change I was expecting

Posted by: MKAC | January 14, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Duh... does anyone really think that high earners, CPAs, and saavy CFOs won't figure out a way to avoid paying an additional $150B in taxes?!? Get real, there is no way this revenue would be realized.

Posted by: jamilrod | January 14, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

This stinks. The Unions get a pass, but not the rest of us.

I will encourage the Chamber of Commerce to file a legal claim against the whole Bill, if it becomes law.

It is my understanding that the Constitution does not allow disparity and class separation with regard to the levying of taxes.

Posted by: VEttariPEPC | January 14, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The Dems have done it again - another Bribe to pass healthcare - these Dems have no sense whatsoever of honor or responisibility. If someone acted like this in business they would be arrested and found guilty of bribery. The same labor unions that put GM and Chrysler out of business are now calling the shots in the White House.

Posted by: Realist20 | January 14, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

PAAAAYYYYOOOOOLAAAA!
They should be setting up cells next to Bernie Madoff for Obama, Pelois, Reid, Nelson, et al. What a crooked scam of a deal.

Posted by: dgb100 | January 14, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama, Pelosi and Reid have no shame. They will tax the others right away but the unions get a special deal. These are the new folks that promised change and hope. The behind closed doors extortions, briberies and deals for those with clout and the American public bedamned.

Posted by: mharwick | January 14, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

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