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Cheney, Biden go back and forth on terror policy

By John Amick

Today on the Sunday talk shows:

ABC: THIS WEEK - Cheney still troubled by Obama policies

Former Vice President Richard B. Cheney continued his criticism of the Obama administration's national security policies, saying he is troubled by what he calls a mindset from the current administration that seems to ignore a global war on terror.

Cheney pointed to the handling of alleged Christmas day bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab as evidence that the Obama administration is either unprepared or not serious about national security.

"It's very important to go back and keep in mind the distinction between handling these events as criminal acts, which was the way we did before 9/11, and then looking at 9/11 and saying, 'This is not a criminal act,' not when you destroy 16 acres of Manhattan, kill 3,000 Americans, blow a big hole in the Pentagon. That's an act of war," Cheney said.

When asked about the Bush administration's handling of shoebomber Richard Reid, Cheney posited that in December 2001, military commissions weren't set up in the post-9/11 form they were to take in later years following guidelines from the Supreme Court. Cheney also said that Reid pleading guilty also affected the handling of the case. But Cheney was not clear on how that would affect the questioning of Reid as the suspect, which was the crux of his argument regarding suspect Abdulmutallab.

"The thing I learned from watching that process unfold, though, was that the administration really wasn't equipped to deal with the aftermath of an attempted attack against the United States in the sense that they didn't know what to do with the guy," Cheney said.

Despite the lack of commissions, Cheney acknowledged that the Bush administration could have put Reid in military custody anyway.

"We could have put him into military custody," he said. "I don't question that. The point is, in this particular case, all of that was never worked out, primarily because he pled guilty."

Cheney said that his entire argument against the Obama administration centers on ignoring war status.

"If you're really serious and you believe this is a war and if you believe the greatest threat is a 9/11 with nukes or a 9/11 with a biological agent of some kind, then you have to consider it as a war, you have to consider it as something we may have to deal with tomorrow," he said. "You don't want the vice president of the United States running around saying, 'Oh, it's not likely to happen,'" he said referring to a statement Vice President Joe Biden made about preparedness and deterring another 9/11-like event in the United States.

Cheney did voice admiration for the Obama administration's policies in Afghanistan.

"I'm a complete supporter of what they're doing in Afghanistan. I think the president made the right decision to send troops into Afghanistan. I thought it took him a while to get there," Cheney said, despite his own administration's refusal to listen to then-top U.S. military official in Afghanistan Gen. David D. McKiernan's request for more troops near the end of the Bush administration's tenure.

On Iraq, Cheney said if Vice President Biden wants to take credit for a stabilized Iraqi government after openly disagreeing with the Bush administration's decision to implement a troop surge in Iraq in 2007, he should thank President George W. Bush.

"If they're going to take credit for it, fair enough, for what they've done while they're there, but it ought to go with a healthy dose of 'Thank you, George Bush' up front and a recognition that some of their early recommendations, with respect to prosecuting that war, were just dead wrong," Cheney said.

Of a Department of Justice report, spanning 2001 to 2005, from Bush Attorney General John Ashcroft that touted criminal convictions, Cheney suggested he was not in favor of the position and lost out in the long run.

"I can remember a meeting in the Roosevelt Room in the West Wing of the White House where we had a major shootout over how this was going to be handled between the Justice Department, that advocated that approach, and many of the rest of us, who wanted to treat it as an intelligence matter, as an act of war with military commissions," he said.

Cheney went on to hit the Obama administration for attempting to close the Guantanamo Bay prison -- which Cheney said may very well continue to exist throughout Obama's first term -- and nullifying the use of waterboarding on terror suspects.

On Iran, Cheney said he was hopeful sanctions will work, but refused to elaborate on whether the Bush administration was close to military action against Iran.

"I think they're most likely to work if you keep the military option on the table," he said. "I don't think you want to eliminate the military -- the possibility of military action. I think that's essential to give any kind of meaning at all to negotiations over sanctions."

Cheney said he occasionally speaks to former President George W. Bush, and he does not think Bush is opposed to his outspoken nature pertaining to the Obama administration. Bush has thus far refused to comment on much in the way of Obama's national security policies.

CBS: FACE THE NATION - Biden cites 'relentless' action in beating back al-Qaeda

Vice President Joe Biden defended comments he made Wednesday that al-Qaeda was not planning a 9/11-level attack by pointing to Obama administration policy successes and the "relentless" actions to isolate and eradicate al-Qaeda's influence throughout the world.

"We agree, the worst nightmare is the possession of nuclear weapons or a radiological weapon by al-Qaeda. That's why we put incredible resources, we've had significant success. We've eliminated over a dozen of their top 20 operatives, another 100 of their associates," Biden said of the administration's pursuits, adding that al-Qaeda's coordination operations have been significantly hampered.

He came back at former Vice President Dick Cheney, a leading critic of the Obama administration on national security measures and Biden's comments on al-Qaeda in particular, saying the efforts of the last year have trumped those of the Bush administration.

"I don't know what Dick doesn't understand," Biden said of Cheney. "The worry is legitimate. The reason why I do not think it's likely is because of all the resources we have put on this, considerably more than the last administration did, to see to it that it will not happen."

Biden also defended the treatment of alleged Christmas day bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, saying Abdulmutallab has cooperated thanks in part to the way authorities have handled him, including bringing his family in to encourage him to talk. Again answering Cheney's dissatisfaction with current security policies, Biden wondered what the difference is between the Bush administration's handling of terror suspects and that of Abdulmutallab.

"The irony here is that's exactly what was done with [Zacarias] Moussaoui, the 21st hijacker," Biden said. "That was exactly what was done with [shoebomber] Richard Reid. That was exactly what was done under the [Bush] administration that he defended. And now he finds this somehow an extraordinary measure which happens to work that he doesn't like. I don't get it."

As to criticism of holding a criminal trial for 9/11 planner Khalid Sheikh Mohammed rather than a military tribunal, Biden pointed out that no matter what the forum, the suspect will get legal representation. He said President Obama is taking a tribunal for KSM under consideration, but only because the political dimensions of the case muddied the prospects for a criminal trial.

Biden cited the inconsistency of convictions via military commissions versus the success of criminal-court convictions in the past several years as proof the tribunals are not a cure-all solution to trying terror cases. Based on the evidence he has seen, Biden said of KSM, "I am absolutely convinced he will be put away for a long, long time."

Answering Cheney's criticism again, in this case regarding taking credit for successes in Iraq, Biden said taking responsibility was what the Obama administration had to do, and he doesn't care who gets the credit as long as a positive outcome materializes for the Iraqi people.

"My generic point is, we have managed this very well thus far," he said. "The Iraqis have done really good work. If this works, it will be a great credit to the Iraqis and a great credit to our military and civilian leadership...."

CNN: STATE OF THE UNION - Security adviser: Abdulmutallab is cooperating

Countering critics of the Obama administration's handling of terror suspects in U.S. custody, White House national security adviser James L. Jones said Sunday that alleged Christmas day bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab has cooperated with officials and continued to provide "satisfying" information.

"What we learned is that ... we should move much more quickly to have an integrated team arrive very quickly to make the best judgment possible as to which way we should proceed in the future," Jones said. "Having studied this pretty carefully, and being aware of what happened both before he was read his rights and after he was read his rights in this particular case, we are getting the information that we need."

Jones added that takeaway lessons from the incident include having the most qualified agents possible on the scene immediately in such situations where national security is believed to be at risk.

When asked about former Vice President Dick Cheney's criticism that Abdulmuttalab should not have received Miranda rights following his apprehension, despite similar actions taken by the Bush administration against suspects such as shoebomber Richard Reid in 2001, Jones avoided a direct answer but said national security is not an issue that should be used for political posturing.

"I don't know what his information is," Jones said of Cheney. "I just would ask people to consider the fact that these are very serious issues for our country, and that when we take them on, we take them on in a respectful way."

Jones was noncommittal on the possibility of a military tribunal for 9/11 planner Khalid Sheikh Mohammed after recent developments to try him in a criminal trial in Manhattan fell through following dissent from New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

As American, Afghan and coalition forces begin to flood Taliban strongholds in southern Afghanistan this weekend in the beginning of the Obama administration's troop escalation in the war, Jones said he is confident the strategy is proceeding successfully, especially with a determined Afghan army and cooperation from tribal leaders throughout the region.

He said Afghan President Hamid Karzai is being held to a high standard, but change in Afghanistan's government structure requires patience. Of a recent meeting with Karzai, Jones maintained that he "left more confident now than I have been at anytime in the past" in Karzai's commitment to his own people.

Of Karzai's brother, widely suspected of involvement in drug trafficking in Afghanistan, Jones said that while perceptions are important, he believes that there is not compelling evidence for the Afghan government to take action on him.

"As far as hard proof, I would assume that if they had it, that they would have done something about it," he said. "But it's an open issue and a fair question."

Of repealing "don't ask, don't tell" rules in the U.S. military that bar those openly gay and lesbian from serving, Jones said he supports the actions of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen and Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates in reviewing, and subsequently ending, the policy.

FOX NEWS SUNDAY - Jones: Need global solidarity with Iran

National security adviser James L. Jones said sanctions on Iran for trying to further its nuclear capabilities are best sought through the United Nations and the International Atomic Energy Agency rather than by a coalition of countries willing to impose such guidelines.

"I think that we are on a steady path -- on a clear path here for what has to happen next, all the while leaving the door open for Iran to do the right thing," Jones said, stressing global solidarity on the issue. "Frankly, it is in their interest to do this."

Jones said the Obama administration is not pushing regime change in Iran, hoping the Iranian people will fight for their best interests.

"We are not actively engineering regime change in the sense that we believe that the people of Iran will carve out their own destiny," he said.

Jones agreed with Vice President Joe Biden's assessment that a prosperous Iraq would be a victory for both countries, and that it is not inappropriate for the current administration to take credit for fostering a new democratic Iraq.

"I think if Iraq turns out to be a stable democracy, which it appears to be on the road, however rocky, to do, if we can withdraw our troops on the schedules that we have outlined, it will certainly be a great achievement for the country and, by association, the administration that is in power when that day comes," he said.

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Comments

Biden should return to the job he did before the election.
Leave Cheney alone, his talk will get Cheney drafted as a Presidential candidate.
If the radical Left stops talking about Palin, it will be your fault. The DNC should concentrate on who they think Obama can win against.
Mugabe can't get into the country.

Posted by: RayOne | February 16, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

why do you clowns keep taking seriously the comments of a self-confessed war criminal? it's appalling

Posted by: tedri50 | February 16, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

just because cheney and bush sat around till 9-11 happened, doesnt mean that every other admin will do so.

Posted by: newagent99 | February 15, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Send in the Final Front of Cheney, Bush, Boehner and the rest of the Neocons camp that like to start wars and chase ghosts.

Let them die for our country..
Death is forever
I will certainly celebrate them..

/

Fei Hu

Posted by: Fei_Hu | February 15, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

just because cheney and bush sat around till 9-11 happened, doesnt mean that every other admin will do so.

Posted by: newagent99 | February 15, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

When will the Obama administraton take down a Bush-Cheney legacy extrajudicial multi-agency campaign of DOMESTIC government terrorism -- aimed at U.S. citizens? And prosecute those responsible for crimes against humanity and the Constitution?

SECRET MULTI-AGENCY FED PROGRAM SILENTLY TORTURES, IMPAIRS, SUBJUGATES U.S. CITIZENS WITH CELL TOWER MICROWAVE WEAPON SYSTEM, FINANCIAL SABOTAGE, 'COMMUNITY WATCH' VIGILANTISM: VETERAN JOURNALIST

* Thousands of Americans slandered as "dissidents" or undesirables, targeted by Bush legacy program for debilitating, cell tower- based precision-targeted microwave assault, held hostage in their own homes to fed-supported vigilante "community policing" stalking units equipped with warrantless GPS devices, who vandalize and terrorize as local police look the other way.

* Electromagnetic frequency microwave/laser weapons -- a nationwide installation employing cell towers and satellites -- silently, invisibly induce weakness, exhaustion, mood changes, pain, head and body aches, physical and neurological impairment, strokes, aneurysms, cancer -- and many victims do not realize what is making them sick.

* Regional Homeland Security- administered "fusion centers" reportedly serve as command centers for covert electromagnetic radiation attacks, pervasive surveillance, financial sabotage of those identified as "dissidents," "trouble-makers" or slandered as threats to society.

* Use of microwave weaponry to torture and impair political opponents recently confirmed by deposed Honduras President Manuel Zelaya.

* Pleas for justice, to local police and FBI, go unanswered -- as do demands for a Department of Justice Civil Rights Division investigation and congressional hearings.

"These are crimes against humanity and the Constitution, being perpetrated under the cover of national security and 'safe streets' by multiple federal and local agencies and commands -- an American genocide hiding in plain sight, enabled by the naivete of those who think 'it can't happen here.'" -- Victor Livingston, former reporter for WTXF-TV Philadelphia, Phila. Bulletin, N.Y. Daily News, St. Petersburg Times; producer/host, MSG Network Sports Business Report; columnist, NowPublic.com/scrivener.

See /www.poynter.org/subject.asp?id=2 (Journalism Groups -- REPORTING" section) OR

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves

BUCKS COUNTY, PA- BASED MAGLOCLEN FUSION CENTER -- "Mid-Atlantic States Ground Zero of a Police-Protected American Gestapo"

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR NowPublic.com/scrivener (see "stories" list).

Posted by: scrivener50 | February 15, 2010 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Cheney would have fit well into Hitler's operation!!

Posted by: Maerzie | February 14, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

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I have the solution to jump starting housing market and economy; we need massive amounts of capital infusion into the housing market. What does America have to sell to the world, the 'American Dream' to people of means worldwide. They have the security knowing that if things go bad in their native country if they don't chose to reside year around, they have dual citizenship if they pass a Homeland Security test, and if they invest in America.
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The American government makes an offer to the world, you can get a fast tracked America family citizenship package if you purchase a home with 35% down, you own a piece of the dream.

By offering 1-2 million family packages, the housing market would rock, jobs in housing related fields improves ( which is a great part of the current unemployment problem ), and it wouldn't cost the taxpayers billions, just go out and sell America.

Plus America has one of the greatest salesmen on earth, President Obama, like him or not, he is a winner. There are 6 billion people on earth, there should be 2 million who have the money and desire for the American dream for their family, and help us save our American dream.

If American homeowners knew their biggest investment may start appreciating, negative equity numbers lower, consumer confidence grows, as will the economy and more jobs will return.

America was built by immigrants, let's go back to what works and rebuild America with new investors and new talent.

Thanks,
Mark Wilson
DeKalb, Illinois

Posted by: wease1010 | February 14, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I would like to share a new way to stop a liberal democrat dead in their tracks.

After 15-20 minutes of listening to their rant about terrorist right's and how Americans caused the terrorist to become terrorist and their bad breath, and spittle are starting to bother you. Just pull out your pocket sized photo of OBL and show it to them. Works like a cross with a vampire. I have to warn you that its pretty messy, because liberal men don't carry a extra pair of panties around. I should mention that the women are tougher than the men and look it! And never worry about the bulging veins in the neck, or the red eyes, they would never hit a real man, but you knew that. It's the liberal woman that you have to worry about, they think that they are men.

Liberals would torture Dick Cheney on television and Hannibal Lector would throw up watching it, but not one of the leftist has said what they want to do to those terrorist who have killed Americans. No torture for terrorist, only republicans deserve a painful death for having something that they don't have and that's a willingness to fight evil!

Biden even goes so far as to say that his Administration is responsible for Victory in Iraq. Unbelievable! Liberals have no soul.

50 million people free and you can bet that those 50 million would still under the heel of a boot, if they had to wait for a liberal, because liberals don't have anything that they are willing to die for, much less the freedom of another human being

Liberals gladly take the lives of the most innocent among us, take the property of one man and give to another, and have nothing that they are willing to die for, not family or country, and these things makes them the most enlightened people on the planet?

Not in my eyes!

Posted by: JeffreyM23 | February 14, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

There can't be 6 people on planet earth who take Joe Biden seriously..

Posted by: wewintheylose | February 14, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Time for us to open a war crimes trial against Mr. Cheney. He really needs to learn his lessons. Maybe he needs to undergo some interrogations with the assistance of a little sleep deprivation, naked, and with a dog to make sure he understands that war crimes are serious business.

Posted by: longjohns | February 14, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Cheney is a retard.

Signed,

Libturd

Posted by: sr31 | February 14, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

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