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Despite differences, Pelosi sees 'positive result' from reform

By John Amick

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said she is confident that once priorities are hashed out and the Senate has acted on health care reform, the House will move forward with a "very positive result" in final passage.

Appearing on CNN's "State of the Union and ABC's "This Week," she also said she wants to see what happens with health care reform policy in the next few weeks, and how the Senate reacts, before she will predict if the House has enough votes for the final bill.

Noting the difficulty of the vote for some of the more moderate members of her party, she urged her colleagues to do their duty as representatives of people that need reform. "We're not here just to self-perpetuate our service in Congress. We're here to do the job for the American people...."

Her main concerns about any final reform package the Senate approves is that it's affordable for the middle class, it closes the donut hole for seniors and eliminates the Nebraska fix -- a deal given to Nebraska's Ben Nelson in the original Senate version in exchange for his vote.

Asked if President Obama should have come out with his own version of reform much earlier and made clear he wouldn't support a public option, Pelosi maintained that she will continue to fight for what the public option stands for -- holding insurance companies honest. She said Obama is committed to regulating insurance companies' influence.

Pelosi rejected any claims that the bipartisan health-care summit held Thursday in Washington was the first major welcoming of Republican ideas in the past year. The Speaker pointed to "hundreds of hours of hearings and bill-writing" and other opportunities where the GOP could have made suggestions.

"They have had plenty of opportunity to make their voices heard," she said. "Bipartisanship is a two-way street.... the bill can be bipartisan even though the votes might not be bipartisan. Because they have made their imprint on this. As I say, we were all for public option. We are now going with a Republican idea, an [insurance] exchange. That's a very big, a very big difference."

On the contentious issue of abortion, she said a health reform bill will pass that will neither increase nor diminish the opportunity for abortion, as defined by current federal law. Abortion language in the House bill -- preventing federal subsidies from paying for insurance policies that cover abortion -- garnered many skeptical Democratic votes in November.

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I still feel that if this medical reform is not good enough for our congressional individuals then it is not good enough for the American public.
I also feel the Government is not setting a good example by buying and giving deals to buy votes of the congress. If this is the norm, then our government is in real trouble. If bussinesses operated the way government is operating, thry would be fined and dealt with harshly.
Pelosi buy your own air line tickets to go home weekends. You should have had to relocate like bussiness people do.

Posted by: cdelancey6966 | March 3, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

The only positive result from this bill will be the removal of the voting democrats from the house and senate in November.

Posted by: Joeski61 | March 1, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

If I listen to Rahm's brother, the font of medical information in this "reform" package, I would assume that at a minimum at least 30% of the seniors will still be around by the time closing the donut hole rolls around in.....I guess it is now 2020?...not sure about that as no one in Washington can confirm that for me as on one has read that far into the bill yet. I guess it is included in the savings the Administration is looking for....creative accounting, no?

Posted by: connyankee1 | March 1, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

If I listen to Rahm's brother, the font of medical information in this "reform" package, I would assume that at a minimum at least 30% of the seniors will still be around by the time closing the donut hole rolls around in.....I guess it is now 2020?...not sure about that as no one in Washington can confirm that for me as on one has read that far into the bill yet. I guess it is included in the savings the Administration is looking for....creative accounting, no?

Posted by: connyankee1 | March 1, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

If I listen to Rahm's brother, the font of medical information in this "reform" package, I would assume that at a minimum at least 30% of the seniors will still be around by the time closing the donut hole rolls around in.....I guess it is now 2020?...not sure about that as no one in Washington can confirm that for me as on one has read that far into the bill yet. I guess it is included in the savings the Administration is looking for....creative accounting, no?

Posted by: connyankee1 | March 1, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of whether one supports or opposes health-care reform, forcing it through by a parlimentary trick is NOT the way to do business in a free state. They should not be using a parlimentary procedure designed for budget disputes to pass a huge bill that is going to set up myriad new government organizations and effect the life of every citizen of the Republic!

Nor is the fact that the Republican's have done it in the past an excuse or justification for this disgusting subversion of the proper functioning of government AND the popular will. This is nothing more than the tired old partisan-hack 'two wrongs make a right' argument. This is NOT valid justification for subverting the legislative process.

Furthermore, it only angers us independents who are sick and tired of seeing our Great Republic being held hostage by two bickering criminal enterprises that rationalize their crimes by pointing at each other! There are still some Americans who actually care about principle and who actually put the Republic ahead of personal and party interests.

If the Republicans have used reconciliation in the past for their own political purposes, this should be a reason for the Democrats to be disgusted with that behavior and to take legislative steps to ensure that reconciliation is never again so abused. Instead, they have used the fact that the Republicans have used reconciliation questionably in the past to use it now in an even more disgusting end-run around the people and the deliberative, legislative process set up by our founding fathers.

The Democrats should be ashamed of their anti-democratic strategy and so should anyone who buys into or parrots their nonsense about 'OH YEAH. Well, uh, the Republicans did it too.'

TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT!!!

TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT!!!

TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT!!!

Posted by: andrew23boyle | March 1, 2010 6:38 AM | Report abuse

The Democrats are going to pass the health care bill, and it will be one of the greatest legislative accomplishments in many generations. The Republican kittens are going to whine about it right up until the day of the vote.

And then comes the real fun: To see Republican congresspeople fumble to explain to their constituents before the elections why they ganged up with the insurance industry and tried to make sure that ordinary Americans can be denied coverage based on preexisting conditions and can have their health insurance cancelled when they get sick.

Posted by: opinionpieces | March 1, 2010 2:33 AM | Report abuse

U Go Nancy! You are the only Dem in a position of power who actually has some cajones.

Posted by: dolph924 | March 1, 2010 1:19 AM | Report abuse

"We're not here just to self-perpetuate our service in Congress," pelosi said. "We're here to do the job for the American people."

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yea right nancy. i tell you what.. if you, reid, and obama QUIT office effective tomorrow, i'll vote for the bill. but not until. after all..., you said you are doing this fo the "american people." i'm an american person.

and if you and reid and obama can't do it.. then get off the pot.

Posted by: AuthoritativeAuthoritarian | March 1, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Lets get real. I am a member of the
self-reliant middle class and every day
I have to pay with after-tax income all
my health care bills including high
deductable health insurance. Meanwhile
government, union, corporations, and
501(c) employees are receiving
supplimental TAX EXCLUSION HEALTH
BENEFITS. I am not here to pay for
anyone's lifestyle. The good book tells
me to help a brother or sister in need,
not to support them for the rest of
their lives in a manner they deem to be
necessary with TAX EXCLUSION BENEFITS
not attainable for the self-reliant by
law. Make it equitable or get another
polemic about whose obligation it is to
help who with what.

Posted by: buckaroo5 | March 1, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

TALK IS CHEEP CONGRESS NEEDS TO GET THIS DONE ALREDY THE PARTY OF NO GETS LOTS OF $$ FROM THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY AND IF THEY VOTE NO THEY WILL KEEP ON GETTING THERE BIG BUCK..YES THE DEMS GET IT TOO BUT NOT AS MUCH AS THE PARTY OF NO. THE PEOPLE VOTED ARE PRESIDENT IN TO GET HEALTH CARE DONE AND CLEAN UP GWB'S MESS..BUT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SCARE OFF BY ALL THE LIES LIES LIES !!I CAN NOT BELEAVE THAT PEOPLE IN MY COUNTRY CAN BE SCARED BY JUST ABOUT ANYTHING FOX NEWS TELLS THEM OR ANY MEDIA IN THAT CASE.WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A STRONG PEOPLE...THAT HAS ALLOT TO BE DESIRED NOW.. I SEE PEOPLE CALLING ARE PRESIDENT HITLER???? UHHHHH THAT WAS GWB AND HIS BEST FRIEND DICK!! I DO HAVE TO SAY I'M MAD AT OBAMA FOR BEING TO NICE.. BUT I THINK HE SEE'S WHAT THE PARTY OF NO IS TRYING TO DO (BIGOTS!!) ARE GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO HELP US NOT HURT US LIKE SOME THINK..LIKE THE TEA PARTY WHAT A CULT THAT IS YES IT IS A CULT.SAYING THAT TAXES HAVE GONE UP LIES!! THAT'S JUST ONE THING.I DO NOT HAVE ROOM TO LIST ALL THE LIES.. THEY ARE BRAINWASHING GULLIBLE PEOPLE..IN THE END WHEN THE FINAL BILL IS PAST AND IT WILL HAPPEN THE PEOPLE WILL SEE THAT ALL THE STUPIDITY WAS FOR NOTHING..FOR EXAMPLED IN MY STATE MASS WE HAVE HEATH CARE REFORM WE ARE THE ONLY STATE IN THIS COUNTRY THAT HAS IT AND IT WORKS THERE IS SOMETHINGS THAT NEEDS FIXING BUT WE ARE WORKING ON GETTING THAT FIXED NOTHING IF PERFECT.97% OF ARE STATE NOW HAS HEATH CARE.
PEOPLE WERE SCARED OF IT BUT AFTER IT WAS IN ACTED BY A DEMOCRAT HOUSE AND SEN. AND SIGNED IN TO LAW BY A REPUBLICAN GOV AT THE TIME..THE PEOPLE SAW IS WAS OK AND IF THEY COULD NOT AFFORD IT THEY WOULD GET HELP TO PAY FOR IT..NO ONE IS GOING TO JAIL ECT... PEOPLE SAY WE CAN NOT AFFORD IT WE CAN NOT AFFORD THE WAY THE SYSTEM WORKS NOW!WE CAN NOT AFFORD THE TWO POINTLESS WARS WE ARE IN!! WHAT A WAST OF MONEY!! AND THE POOR MEN AND WOMAN THAT LIVES WE LOST GOD BE WITH THERE FAMILY'S..
GWB SHOULD AND DICK SHOULD BE HUG FOR DOING THIS BUT THERE GETTING AWAY WITH IT
LET SEE IF ANYONE OF US DO SOMETHING WRONG SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO US ?? MY POINT IS IN THE END HEATH CARE IN THE US THE WAY IT IS NOW IS NOT WORKING AND I WANT WASHINGTON TO USE ITS POWER THAT THE DEMS HAVE NOW AND GET IT DONE STOP THE BICKERING AND DO WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT YOU TO DO GET THINGS DONE!! LOVE AND PEACE TO ALL !!

Posted by: RBC12 | February 28, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS WANT HEALTH CARE REFORM NOW NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES THE RUSHNICANS LIE TO US THAT THEY DONT. THEY SING LIES FROM THEIR HYMNALS GIVEN TO THEM BY FRANK LUNTZ LIKE THE PUPPET CANARIES THEY ARE. WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF YOUR FEAR MONGER LIES RIGHTIES. PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN VETERAN WHO FOUGHT IN NAM FOR A BETTER COUNTRY FOR ALL OUR CITIZENS NOT JSUT THOSE THAT CAN AFFORD HEALTH CARE TODAY. SELFISH S O Bs STOP LYING TO US. YOU GOT SPANKED BY OBAMA ONCE AND WILL AGAIN IN 2012 THAT IS FOR CERTAIN.

Posted by: jbento | February 28, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

GODSPEED NANCY WE LOVE IT THAT YOU HAVE A BIGGER SET THAN MOST DEMOCRATS. Speaker Pelosi has it right show America you are in it for them and not yourselves like the NO bird obstructionists trying to regain power after damn near killing our great country. Eric Cantor can kiss my puttuti with his predictions. He is surrounded by two closet gays Mitch Mc Connell and John "the orange man" Boehner who spend their lives trying to prove their manhood by what saying No to everything that makes sense. Rushnicans and clusterFOX watchers need to go find some more bigot tea party types because the majority of America that swept President Obama is not as dumb as those Red State trailer trashers. Obamanos!

Posted by: jbento | February 28, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

omaarsblade ~ just to remind everybody ~ The Republicans didn't control the House of Representatives until after the 1994 election. That only lasted 12 years.

BTW, Omaar, you just revealed to everyone you are funny little foreign guy because everyone who's grown up in America KNOWS that Congressional elections are simply held at the same time as the Presidential elections.

The fact that a President is a Republican does not mean Congress is controlled by the Republicans. it usually means the opposite.

The Democrats have more riding time in Congress than do the Republicans since 1933.

This is not a Parliamentary system and it's long overdue for you to understand that.

Posted by: muawiyah | February 28, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Remember what is at stake! If Obama loses this fight, his entire momentum will be crippled. But, if he passes his bill it will:
* Cut $500 billion from Medicare
* Force rationing of health care
* Raise income taxes to 43% (from 35%) and capital gains taxes to 22.5% (from 15%)
* Force a $2,000 increase in the average health insurance premium
* Force young people to buy insurance they don't need or want that would cost over $8500 per person
* Or...pay 2.5% of their income as a fine for not having insurance
* Or...face prison if they don't do either
* Tax medical devices and many medical procedures
And, in addition to all of the above, it will have an horrific impact on the deficit. Don't listen to Obama's claims to deficit neutrality. The bill will cost $1 trillion over six years and will generate revenues of $1 trillion over ten years. But if you run the projections out to fourteen years, the costs exceed the revenues by over $1 trillion.
These projections do not include about $1 trillion in health insurance premiums or fines that the uninsured will have to pay and about $3 trillion in increased health insurance premiums the rest of us will have to pay.
The Cato Institute estimates that the total cost of this bill over a twenty year period will come to $6.5 trillion.
WE CANNOT afford this travesty that the Dems are trying to cram down our throats.
It's not about health care reform....it's all about governmental power! HOAX and CHAINS!!!

Posted by: atthun | February 28, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

This Nation, Since Johnson has been Controlled By Republican Presidents & Senate & Congress...

1. Nixon: 7 Years

Carter: 4 Years

2. Reagan: 8 Years

Note: Reagan came in with a 700 Billion Dollar Debt and Left Office with a 3 Trillion Dollar Debt, Reagan said it was the "Greatest Failure Of His Office" He said so because he and his Administration Borrowed Big Nationally & Internationally, Gave Tax Cuts To The Very Rich, Not Average Joe, He Bailed Out The Savings & Loan Structure and that Bill Won't be Paid Off Until [2013]

Yet Republicans have Created this Flawless Republican Giant, who Had AlzHeimers for All of His 8 Years in Office. Knowing Others Controlled The White House, George H.W.Bush & Others Not Named Ronald Wilson Reagan.

3. George H.W. Bush: 4 Years,

Note: Failed because of His Tax Increases Following Reagan, after Promising He would Not Tax More, had to Impose More Taxes, Because of Reagan's 8 Years, He then Lost His Re-Election To Clinton.

4. Bill Clinton: 8 Years.

Note: Balanced The Budget and Left Bush with a Surplus, which Bush Squandered.


5. George W. Bush: 8 Years

Note: Borrowed Heavily from Communist-Socialist China to Finance Our 2 wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Gave Corporate Manufacturers Big Tax Credits, Tax Breaks and Tax Incentives to LEAVE AMERICA'S WORKERS for Communist-Socialist CHINA AND VIET NAM as well as other Nations such as Canada, Mexico, Brazil, India, Columbia as Other Countries Known for their Cheap Labor. Bush gave Us TARP, though Republicans try to put this Coat on Obama.

Still, Republican Presidents and Majority Senate & Congress Ruled Far Longer. Trace It Back and See

Posted by: omaarsblade | February 28, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

These Republican Hacks and Pundits have gone from Calling Republican Obama a Communist-Socialist as in [Russia] which is No Longer a Communist-Socialist Nation Any More to...

President is Trying a Western European-Socialized Form of Medicine ?

Their Calling our Allied Friends Canada, Great Britain, France, Germany, Australia, Israel, Spain, Italy, New Zealand, Neatherlands, Austria, Greenland, Iceland, Sweden, Norway and Others [Socialist Nation] based on their Universal Health Care.

Jeez Louise.

Posted by: omaarsblade | February 28, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Those four failures need to be impeached. It's not in the constitution that everyone should have healtcare; they're not abiding by the constitution at all. Constitutionally they don't even have the proper grounds for reconciliation. They're rotten to the core, especially pelosi. That worm is pure evil. I do not want to pay for someone else's healthcare insurance, especially for all the illegal aliens.
The following is a poem I wrote this morning.

Obama bin Biden, Pelosi & Reid, must be plucked just like the weeds
They're ruining our country without a care or a thought, making back door deals of which they ought not
They don't even claim to be honest and clean yet blatantly lie about you and me
They call us Nazi's, liars, retards and the like,
Yet love terrorists and support their cause by not calling them terrorists, giving them a clause
They think conciliation is the route to go, putting an end to us retarded ole souls
They're blinded by their own greed, and too dumb to see they can't win against democracy.

I think others in power should also be speaking out against these rotten people who are supposedly be working for the people but they're actually self-serving and don't give a rip about the American people nor America. They want to turn our country over to radical terrorists. All Obama's ass kissing the world hasn't done any good. They're still planning and plotting to destroy us. Does he care, heck no. He has had 1 plan all along and that is to socialize America. He cares not about the joblessness, the trillion + debt he has gotten us into, the enconomy -all he cares about it himself and all the ones who doanted (some questionable) to his campaign. They buy votes to pass their crap on us, but I don't beleive they'll be able to pull this off. Even some in their own party are on to them. Come election time they'll be some changes for the better. Once they're all out of office, we'll have the task of cleaning up their mess.


Posted by: ginia1 | February 28, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

>>>>>Federal employees have excellent health care because they are provided an array of affordable choices. Obama is pushing to expand choice for all Americans by creating a national health insurance exchange — modeled on the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program — “where Americans can one-stop shop for a health care plan, compare benefits and prices, and choose the plan that’s best for them, in the same way that Members of Congress and their families can.”
What a crock! My spouse is a nurse at a Veteran's Hospital. We have two choices for insurance, one expensive, one super expensive. We pay (for two people) more than $500 a month for basic coverage! Not all federal employees have affordable or even good coverage!!!

Posted by: WLCCS | February 28, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi will try to ram it down the peoples throats in spite of their overwhelming opposition. She is a traitor and should be in jail

Posted by: Obama_TRAITOR_in_Chief | February 28, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

If you want to see where Obama’s going, you have to watch this Brand New, Viral

OBAMACARE - YEAR IN REVIEW video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rv7aW3NF7w

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Posted by: CommieBlaster | February 28, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

It shouldn't be a surprise that Pelosi is struggling to hold onto, negotiate with and bring on moderate Democrats.

Moderate Blue Dog Democrats make up 22% of the House Democrat caucus. When you include the moderate New Democrat Coalition members, it's substantially more.

Yet how many are in House leadership positions? None. How many leading standing committees? Two.

House leadership is all liberals, how they effectively present an agenda and compromise with the larger caucus?

Posted by: cprferry | February 28, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

The Post reports: Noting the difficulty of the vote for some of the more moderate members of her party, she urged her colleagues to do their duty as representatives of people that need reform. "We're not here just to self-perpetuate our service in Congress. We're here to do the job for the American people...."

Interesting comment. I wonder if Pelosi would offer to resign in exchange for the health care bill being enacted. It's a tempting deal :) But she'd never take it. (And it still wouldn't be worth taking.)

Apparently it's alright for Pelosi to urge others to commit political suicide, but she'll risk nothing herself for the causes she purports to so deeply believe in. So on top of everything else she is, she's a selfish hypocrite.

So typical of the liberal mindset. Someone else can sacrifice, but not me.

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Posted by: nikejordans1 | February 28, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

The New York Times censored the following post!

Washington Post - you may be a bunch of lefty Obamacrats - but you're patriots, too!

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"Rasmussen...are they part of the republican party? or part of fox? or are those to things the same? rasmussen results are consistently 5-7 points more negative about the president than any other poll. only the worst obama bashers could take them seriously."
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As a Democrat, I was always under the impression that Rasmussen was the genuinely neutral one full of statistics geeks who didn't have much of a bias.

If you dig a little deeper, most of the polls that are conducted by the newspapers and broadcast networks have pretty strongly entrenched biases. Read some of the questions - my favorite was "Which party is to blame for the lack of bipartisanship in Congress?"

Well, "bipartisanship" is a Democrat word used by Democrats to scorn Republicans who disagree. When was the last time the word "bipartisanship" escaped John McCain's lips?
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Posted by: michaelniland | February 28, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

This bill is Unconstitutional and full of lies about the cost and coverage.Pass this Unconstitutional bill through reconciliation and you will sink in the quicksand of your lies.Step right this way RATS to the unemployment line in November.Happy American Waterloo beating in November.Thank because the bill will be rescinded after that.

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Posted by: nikejordans1 | February 28, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I could not have stated it better: Nancy, "I can't believe my eyes blink" Pelosi is so out of touch and is destined to be ousted from the Speaker's chair.

Poor Nancy is just losing all concept of reality. No way she and Barack are going to find enough Democrats willing to commit political suicide by Rahming the Obamacare bill through.

No way any Senator or Congressman is going to align with a one-term president. Barack has set a new land speed record in becoming a defacto lame duck.

Posted by: JCM-51 | February 28, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: powerange | February 28, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Poor Nancy is just losing all concept of reality. No way she and Barack are going to find enough Democrats willing to commit political suicide by Rahming the Obamacare bill through.

No way any Senator or Congressman is going to align with a one-term president. Barack has set a new land speed record in becoming a defacto lame duck.

Posted by: JCM-51 | February 28, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

"Last fall, Mr. Stupak told constituents that even if his amendment failed, he would still vote yes on the overall health care legislation — he merely wanted to vote his conscience first. Now he says that statement applied only to the bill’s early version.

'You fight for a principle you’ve believed in your whole life, then you fold up the tent?' he said." New York Times

Posted by: kwoods2 | February 28, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Bring on the death panels.

We need to euthanize brain-dead leftists like Pelosi.

Posted by: pgr88 | February 28, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

obamacare--beware the ides of march

Posted by: ProCounsel | February 28, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Why the Nuclear Option--Reconciliation of ObamaCare will FAIL

In the Senate–one word–POWER.

A Filibuster gives each Senator a splendid aurora of power. The filibuster gives birth to 100 little Caesars. Just ask Byrd. Power is more addictive than crack in DC. Besides, there are just about 100 Senators who KNOW they are much smarter than Obama.

In the House its self preservation. Mark Twain said (paraphrased and with politically correct gender upgrades) “You may depend upon it, when a woman knows she is to be hung in 2 weeks it concentrates her mind wonderfully”.

And Pelosi has many Dems who KNOW they will politically hang in November if obamacare passes.

Every member of Congress shares ONE trait. They are ALL winners. Everyone one of them ran for election and DEFEATED an opponent. And they KNOW Defeat when they see it.

ObamaCare—Dead--and rigor mortis has set in....

Posted by: ProCounsel | February 28, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

If they push this through only the spending will be passed. Not even pre-existing conditions or abortion would be addressed.

There can be no motive for passing the spending through reconcilliation other than a power/money grab. Obama and the leftist freaks will be totally exposed as the power hungry neo-commies they are. what they are.

Posted by: Straightline | February 28, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

"Now the disagreement over abortion financing has become a game of chicken, with Mr. Stupak saying he and 10 or 11 others, whom he would not name, will vote against a final bill that does not meet his standards, and some backers of abortion rights threatening to do the same in what is expected to be a close vote." New York Times

Posted by: kwoods2 | February 28, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

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"The public is clearly opposed to the Democrats’ health care bills. Americans want to scrap these big-government plans and start over with common-sense, incremental reform." -Sarah Palin
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Sarah is right on this!

Posted by: jamespmarion | February 28, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

If Dems want to CRUSH the Republicans in the next election, then they should pass real and strong Public Option or the much better single payer health care, because then they can show what complete lunatics Republicans are to be for the current health care system in the US which is bankrupting the American people and thus government, plus killing 50,000 Americans per year at least and sending at least 2Mill Americans per year into bankruptcy and many other atrocities due to the current health care that benefits the super rich that control the Big Pharma & Big Insurance - More details here. OTOH, if Dems want to get CRUSHED in the next election then they should pass the so called health care bill that they have introduced in Dec/09 which dose not have a real Public Option yet it mandates people to buy health care from the same for profit health care companies that have brought us the current bankrupting health care system. Because it is so bad as it is that it makes the Republican lunatics and the current health care system look good.

More here:
http://anoox.com/blog/Real_News.38034

Posted by: RealNews1 | February 28, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

"Mr. Stupak’s measure on abortion passed the House with the support of 64 Democrats."

Posted by: kwoods2 | February 28, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry but I'm just so excited after watching her on Hannity

http://www.wasillateleprompter.com/2010/02/sarah-on-the-summit.html

Sarah it's not a poor man's teleprompter!!!

IT'S THE WASILLA TELEPROMPTER!!!

Posted by: michaelniland | February 28, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Both Comrad Pelosi and Obama keep throwing this "middle class" label around. Why doesn't the media force these Stalinists to define the income range of people the term "middle class" refers to. I bet people would be shocked to find out the truth! Come one Washington Post, where is your due dillegence here!

Posted by: WmJLePetomane | February 28, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Tomorrow is the first day of March. Why hasn't healthcare reform passed ALREADY???

Posted by: gce1356 | February 28, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi's lie: "On the contentious issue of abortion, she said a health reform bill will pass that will neither increase nor diminish the opportunity for abortion, as defined by current federal law. Abortion language in the House bill -- preventing federal subsidies from paying for insurance policies that cover abortion -- garnered many skeptical Democratic votes in November."

The truth: “You’re never getting a right-to-life amendment,” Mr. Stupak said Representative Louise M. Slaughter, Democrat of New York and chairwoman of the Rules Committee, told him during health care negotiations. “We have pro-choice Democrats in the White House. We have majorities in the House and Senate. You’re done.” New York Times

Posted by: kwoods2 | February 28, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

mtpeaks--excellent post

but you left off pelosi's next step

she abolished the presidency and the republican party in the house......

Posted by: ProCounsel | February 28, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

"why should we trust these politicians who arein power now,everyone of them is taking money from the medical and drug lobbyist.
Posted by: SISSD1"

You mean like Sen. Schumer, Reid, Rep. Rangel and the 13 other Democrats on the top 20 list taking health insurance lobby money?

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?ind=H03&recipdetail=M&sortorder=U&cycle=2010

Posted by: cprferry | February 28, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

why should we trust these politicians who arein power now,everyone of them is taking money from the medical and drug lobbyist.why can`t the people in california see what a double standard this woman has,she and her husband are multi millionaires you honestly believe this woman is worried about the american citizen? i can sell you a bridge in brooklyn if you believe she worries about the american citizen.lets wait until november and show her what the people really think about the medical coverage that she and the rest of the politicos are afraid to sign up for themselves and their families!!!

Posted by: SISSD1 | February 28, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

House Dissolves Senate

Washington, March 1, 2010--In a stunning development Monday, House members united in a 409-16 vote to dissolve the U.S. Senate.
Using reconciliation, the House stripped all budget funding for the Senate, leaving it unfunded and essentially out of business.
"The Senate serves no purpose," House speaker Nancy Pelosi declared. "Their super-majority requirement has obstructed the people's business, and it's time for it to end."
Senate leaders were clearly caught off guard by the House move, and called a bi-partisan meeting to discuss their next move.
"I understand Nancy's frustration," Senate majority leader Harry Reid remarked. "But dissolving the Senate is a bit over the pail."
Surprisingly, other Senate members indicated a willingness to consider the House plan.
"If this will kill the pork spending," Sen. John McCain said, "then it just may be worth it."
When asked for comments on this development, President Obama remarked, "What Congress does in this regard, is up to Congress."

Posted by: mtpeaks | February 28, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Driving the Stake through ObamaCare

Amick writes:

"On the contentious issue of abortion, she said a health reform bill will pass that will neither increase nor diminish the opportunity for abortion, as defined by current federal law. Abortion language in the House bill -- preventing federal subsidies from paying for insurance policies that cover abortion -- garnered many skeptical Democratic votes in November."

Consider what faced the Republicans in 2009. Obama had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, and a rubber stamp House.

Obamacare, and its mandatory abortion coverage in the Senate seemed destined to pass.

But then confusion reigned among Team Obama as the Dems turned their swords on each other. Dem Senators demanded more and more landrieu from Reid and Obama. Obama had the toughest, indeed the only negotiations, within the Dem party dragging the process out.

The closer obama got to mandatory abortion coverage the more the DEMS slowed the process.

Meanwhile the normally fractious Republicans stood united. These united Alamo Republicans lost the Senate Battle but ultimately won the obamacare war, much like the fighters at the Alamo.

Then consider the effect of the mandatory abortion coverage in the senate obamacare which miraculously united ALL Republicans (Pro Life and Pro Choice) in Massachusetts to support a NON Pro Life candidate Scott Brown. Obama should get the entire credit for uniting the Republicans in Massachusetts, and this November.

Was all this due to Republican strategic brilliance and moral character?? We would like to think so, but Republicans are all too human, some are probably doing something they should not as we speak. Also Republicans have some renegades likely to bolt for any reason or no reason so how did they stay together? And if the Republicans are so smart how did the Dems get the House Senate and the White House anyway??

No there is more at play here when you examine the entire year.

Posted by: ProCounsel | February 28, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Pelosi also said she's waiting until the Senate works until she considers the House vote count.

Something tells me she hasn't shored up support of the 40 Democrats that voted the bill but support the House's stronger abortion language consistent with the existing Hyde Amendment framework.

Or the 2 votes she needs to pick up after vacancies (Murtha, Wexler, Abercrombie) and second thoughts (Cao).

Posted by: cprferry | February 28, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

jewishmother wrote:
More from Sarah Palin: "We believe that the job creation goes back to the best of America, health care"
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Is Sarah also saying that jobs and free-market health-care go hand-in-hand?

Because that's pretty much what the WaPo comment section said yesterday. I better re-post this again.

http://www.wasillateleprompter.com/2010/02/the-washington-post-comments-page-common-sense-health-care-reform-bill.html

or, “I want our great country to be great again. We must pay our debts.”

Draft 1

- Local mandates
- Interstate competition
- Tort reform
- Targeted price ceilings
- Remove the hole in Medicare
- Capitalism over socialism

- PUBLIC OPTION
- JOBS

- Don’t insure the dead.
- How to cover Congress?
- No ideas from lobbyists.
- Address high deductibles
- Address low payouts
- Address withdrawal of coverage for the sick

- Fair medicare payouts for doctors
- No pay cuts for doctors
- Doctors are underfunded

- No reconciliation

- Government can bargain with pharmaceutical companies
- No single payer
- Accountability for politicians; politicians take ownership
- No tyrrany of the majority

- More medicare
- An opt-out

- First cost cuts, then reform

- NO MORE PORK!

- Use the scientific method
- Medicaid is in poor shape
- All we have to fear is fear itself

- No unfunded mandates
- No schemes to take costs off the books
- No central planning

- Employ or insure 15 million unemployed?

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"The public is clearly opposed to the Democrats’ health care bills. Americans want to scrap these big-government plans and start over with common-sense, incremental reform." -Sarah Palin
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Posted by: michaelniland | February 28, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

For Sale:
One slightly used pork barrel,
Senate insurance scam.
Barely used once by slug in White House.
Refurbished now.
Priced to sell.
Will sacrifice before owners lose jobs in November.
Call: 1-800- WHITE HOUSE SLUG
e-mail: suckers need only apply at slug@capitol.com

Posted by: kwoods2 | February 28, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

We will all have health care! We won't have anyone to pay for it! Yeah, yeah, yeah, we are going bankrupt our nation! This is what we want! Where is the French Revolution when you need it?

Posted by: KDSmallJr | February 28, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Will Pelosi's dumb Bill include a couple of million dollars to stop Obama's addiction to cigarettes. Could he tell the American People just how many cigarettes he smokes in a day. I bet on one pack--who buys them for him?

===========================================

He has one of the illegal alien shoe shine boys smuggle them in for him and he smokes them in the oval office creating second and third hand smoke for everyone who enters cause he be "entitled". Now you know why his lips are purple.

Posted by: charlietuna666 | February 28, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Translation:
We don't care what the people want. We will ram through anything we thing is good for the party.

Posted by: NormReisig | February 28, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

JamesChristian wrote: "The public is clearly opposed to the Democrats’ health care bills. Americans want to scrap these big-government plans and start over with common-sense, incremental reform." -Sarah Palin

More from Sarah Palin: "We believe that the job creation goes back to the best of America, health care, tied to judges on the supreme court through the war on terror... it's all about homeland security... and job creation, so don't blink."

Posted by: jewishmother | February 28, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I understand that, opinionpieces, and you're saying the same thing I'm saying. The CBS poll gives him worse numbers on handling of health-care reform than the Rasmussen poll gives him on support of his bill.

I don't care if you think Obama's bill goes too far or not far enough - both of those groups have something to contribute to common-sense reform.

In fact, so do the people who think it's fine how it is - it's that group, the (generously) 22% who think the bill as it stands is just right, who are going to have to compromise. Everyone else is going to get something better than what they're getting now when we do common-sense health-care.
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Posted by: michaelniland | February 28, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Will Pelosi's dumb Bill include a couple of million dollars to stop Obama's addiction to cigarettes. Could he tell the American People just how many cigarettes he smokes in a day. I bet on one pack--who buys them for him?

Posted by: Mindboggle | February 28, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are puppets with the big money health insurance companies pulling their strings. They only will fight for the special interest, wall street and the rich! They never "ever" fight the good fight for the citizens of America. Check the track record of the Republicans the last 30 years and it will tell the whole story. They are the snake oil salesmen, no more - no less! "You will know them by the fruit they bare".

Posted by: lunetrick | February 28, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

RuEb10 wrote:
Incremental, common-sense reforms is conservative-speak for do nothing. The really hypocritical part of this whole discussion is the Republicans' claim that they want health care reform.
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This is what "incremental" means.

http://www.wasillateleprompter.com/2010/02/a-health-care-alternative.html

The agile methodology, like software development. Quite the opposite of do-nothing.

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Posted by: michaelniland | February 28, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

michaelniland, these attempts to fool Americans by citing obviously misleading poll data are getting kind of lame. I understand that Republicans are pretty desperate trying to keep health care from happening, but can't you guys come up with anything better than this?

In case you haven't noticed, the rasmussen report poll you cite does not ask people for the *reasons* they dislike the Obama health care bill. Is it because it does too little, or because it does too much?

As it turns out, huge numbers of Americans who supposedly "oppose" the Obama plan do so because they think that the bill *does not go far enough*. There is a lot of polling data to show this, for example look at the following CBS poll (top of page 3):

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_obama_011110.pdf?tag=contentMain;contentBody

61 percent (!) of Americans would agree that Obama's plan to regulate the health insurance is either "about right" or "does not go far enough". Of these 61 percent, a whopping 43% believe that the plan "does not go far enough"! Those who think that the plan goes too far are a small minority only 27 percent.

So yeah, if you ask people whether they like the Obama bill, perhaps 56 percent are going to say that they don't. But about half of these 56 percent dislike the bill *because it does not go far enough* in reforming the health care system. They'd support even stronger legislation.

At this point, the only fragment of U.S. that's still opposed to this legislation is a dwindling minority of Republican activists who are willing to run their country into the ground for an illusion of political advantage in November, and perhaps a bunch of health insurance lobbyists. One really wishes they could do better than make transparent attempts at twisting poll data.

Posted by: opinionpieces | February 28, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

"Pelosi predicts a 'positive result'". Is she taking a pregnancy test?

Posted by: fudador | February 28, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

All right Nancy, get er done.:) I love the fact, Republicans scream about deficits and reconciliation. They drove a 5 trillion hole in the budget with Bush tax cuts passed through reconciliation. Hypocrites! Have you not shame.

Read Dove369 below. Reagan unemployment went to 10%, and then fell to 7.5% by the end of his first term. His poll numbers went from low 40's at the end of his second year to upper 50s by the end of his first term.

Posted by: sarlat | February 28, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

actually, the inclusion of a public option to increase competion brings public approvel up yo 60%.even greater in some states.70% plus out in nevada,arkansas very high.fl.also.eventually health reform will have to pass either by a democrat or republican congress.status quo will not work .and i think every politican knows this.

Posted by: donaldtucker | February 28, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Democrat. Nancy Pelosi used to be
an attractive, intelligent, perceptive
and capable legislator. Knowing the
difference between a Progressive and
a Liberal; I'm concerned about where my party is now taking America and our people.
Republicans are not my enemy. But the
Progressives in my own party do worry me.

Posted by: iamredwolf | February 28, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Incremental, common-sense reforms is conservative-speak for do nothing. The really hypocritical part of this whole discussion is the Republicans' claim that they want health care reform.

Posted by: RuEb10 | February 28, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I was watching some of the Sunday morning news programs and saw Nancy Pelosi discussing business. People also talked about a health care plan that would reduce costs, but I don't see how this would occur since the business models will drive cost upward. This just isn't the history of health care and pharmaceuticals. It's a very different arena since Nixon was in the white house and agreed to begin a national health care program. (Members of the congress disagreed, not being able to compromise. Was it 1968?) Health care is a different animal today. It's been that way since the 1980s.

I see much criticism of Nancy Pelosi herself, which I'm sure she's quite aware of. When I meet people and current events become the topic of conversation the remarks about Pelosi are always negative, and these are democrats. People don't like the congress and they don't like Pelosi. I haven't had as strong an opinion, but I do see that this woman got the job as House Speaker when it -- and the congress -- had become so devalued that the American people wanted to throw them out. This seems typical of female entry into male fields (similar to law and medicine, for example), women entering in bigger numbers just when society has decided that these jobs are not good. I've wondered if we'll see more female corporate executives when the salaries rationalize, say to $ 500,000 per year instead of multi-millions. Could you get a woman to work for half a million dollars? You think?

My concern with Nancy Pelosi is her lack of standards. Sure, the first female and all that, but where are the standards in the congress? She's a good spokesperson, gets along with others, a decent manager (it is a management job), but she has no standards. It's not her ideology or lawmaking I think of. It's her lack of standards. People respect standards. Get some. This is a huge problem with the congress and the government in general. These figures are just rooting for their party, their party's president (democrat or republican) and their political agendas. Nobody's conduct matters anymore, and this is painfully obvious. Voters are fed up.

People respect standards. Get some.

Posted by: redd1 | February 28, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

JamesChristian wrote:
sexist rant, again
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This is pretty obviously abuse, so I would like it very much if you stopped posting it.

Nancy Pelosi is a corrupt politician. She is none of the vile names you've called her, and I'd recommend you find the nearest mirror.

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Posted by: michaelniland | February 28, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh Good God,how funny that incompetent out
of touch with reality San Francisco Democrat Psycho Mad Madame Speaker Nutcase
Nancy Pelosi running around like her usual
chicken with it's head cut off self,and
ordering the Congress to defy the will of
We,The People that Said NO to Obamacare,
here too once again clearly shows the damn
whole Democratic Party or Obamacrat Party
is unfit to govern and is totally ignoring
the will of the American people as usual.

And so, then we have old loser empty suit
"Cry Wolf" Kenya Teleprompter Reader Liar
in Chief Ignoramus Barack Hussein Obama,
the First US Marxist Dictator from Kenya
paying off or taking bribes from "Hundreds
of Lobbyists" to get his Rejected Obamacare
passed in Congress some transparency there!

Rasmussen Polls Sat 2/27/10 43% Strongly
Disapprove of Obama's Job Performance and
ONLY 23% Strongly Approve and the Sunday
Rasmussen Poll 2/28/2010 shows again that
42% Strongly Disapprove and 25% Strongly
Approve and that after Ignoramus Liar in
Chief "Cry Wolf" over the Chile Earthquake
and a Non-Tsunmai for Hawaii panicky tv
photo op BS by Barack Hussein Obama no less
so wake up Nutso Nancy Pelosi WE DONOT WANT
OBAMACARE Period! Impeach Obams Now!
Take Back America! End Obams and Pelosi
Marxist Dictatorship As Well.

Posted by: carleen09 | February 28, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

She's a hideous, awful and corrupt glutton. Nothing in support of the comforts are too much for this pig. The exhorbitant liquor and caviar bills for her airliner parties on the way home every weekend ($101,000 per year and counting), the endless flow of booze, food and water for her staff. This cow is a billionaire with all her assets hidden away, living on botox and the American taxpayer and she has the nerve to council the rest of us on how to live. She's a reprehensible cow, quite without redemption and I look forward to her near-future minority speakership.

Posted by: JamesChristian | February 28, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse


http://thinkprogress.org/2010/02/28/alexander-end-senate/
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If using reconciliation were really “the end of the Senate,” the Senate would have died a long time ago, and Lamar Alexander would have been complicit in its death.

Reconciliation has been used to pass at least 19 bills, including major pieces of health care reform legislation like the Children’s Health Insurance Program and the Medicare Advantage Program. Fourteen of the times reconciliation was employed it was used to advance Republican interests.

Furthermore, Alexander himself has personally voted for reconciliation at least four times, as Igor Volsky pointed out:

– 2003 Bush Tax Cuts: The Congressional Budget office, Bush’s tax cuts for the rich increased budget deficits by $60 billion in 2003 and by $340 billion by 2008. The bill had a cost of about a trillion dollars. [Alexander voted yes.]

– 2005 Deficit Reduction Act of 2005: The bill cut approximately $4.8 billion over five years and $26.1 billion over the next ten years from Medicaid spending. [Alexander voted yes.]

– 2005 Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005: The bill extended tax cuts on capital gains and dividends and the alternative minimum tax. [Alexander voted yes.]

– 2007 College Cost Reduction and Access Act: The bill forgave all remaining student loan debt after 10 years of public service. [Alexander voted yes]

In the end, Alexander’s mere presence on television this morning seems to indicate that using reconciliation does not, in fact, end the Senate.

Posted by: omaarsblade | February 28, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Complete spin on the part of Ms. Pelosi.

Posted by: etronsen | February 28, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

As a member of the public, I support the health care reform bill. I would prefer a public option. In fact, medicare for all would be my first choice.

I get tired of hearing "the American people want this" or "the American people want that." I would hope that the American people would like to know the facts, not the hype - especially not the lies put out there by the Republican Party and the teabaggers.

Posted by: EarlC | February 28, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Logicprevails proves to the world, 20 years later, that Godwin's Law is still fact!
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Posted by: michaelniland | February 28, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

omaarsblade wrote:
Bush gave Us TARP, though Republicans try to put this Coat on Obama.
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I agree with you about William Jefferson Clinton, the tycoon. He's my favorite Democrat since Andrew Jackson.

But TARP was all Big Ben Bernanke with his sidekicks Hank and Tim.
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Posted by: michaelniland | February 28, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi, Reid and Obama know their history.
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"Tell a lie often enough, loud enough, and long enough, and people will believe you."

Adolph Hitler

Posted by: logicprevails | February 28, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

opinionpieces wrote:
The Democrats are coming back to life, and they are calling the Republicans on their pathetic bluff pretending that Americans don't want health care reform.
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin?ref=search&sid=10218237.1781758158..1#!/notes/sarah-palin/more-of-the-same-only-more-expensive/321999143434

Yes, I'm serious, read Sarah Palin.

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Posted by: michaelniland | February 28, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

ak1967 wrote:
The current bill provides close to universal coverage, reduces deficits and prevents insurance company from denying or dropping people from coverage. What more one can wish! It is win-win situation.
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I wish somebody would tell me how something that increases the deficit reduces deficits.

Senator Bennet's fuzzy math isn't cutting it for me.

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Posted by: michaelniland | February 28, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats are coming back to life, and they are calling the Republicans on their pathetic bluff pretending that Americans don't want health care reform. McConnell and the other Republican kittens are scared to death that this bill will pass, but the Democrats are going to do it. If they pass the bill, I predict they'll hold their numbers in congress in November.

Posted by: opinionpieces | February 28, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

This Nation Since Johnson has been Controlled By Republican Presidents & Senate & Congress...

1. Nixon: 7 Years

Carter: 4 Years

2. Reagan: 8 Years

Note: Reagan came in with a 700 Billion Dollar Debt and Left Office with a 3 Trillion Dollar Debt, Reagan said it was the "Greatest Failure Of His Office" He said so because he and his Administration Borrowed Big Nationally & Internationally, Gave Tax Cuts To The Very Rich, Not Average Joe, He Bailed Out The Savings & Loan Structure and that Bill Won't be Paid Off Until [2013]

Yet Republicans have Created this Flawless Republican Giant, who Had AlzHeimers for All of His 8 Years in Office. Knowing Others Controlled The White House, George H.W.Bush & Others Not Named Ronald Wilson Reagan.

3. George H.W. Bush: 4 Years,

Note: Failed because of His Tax Increases Following Reagan, after Promising He would Not Tax More, had to Impose More Taxes, Because of Reagan's 8 Years, He then Lost His Re-Election To Clinton.

4. Bill Clinton: 8 Years.

Note: Balanced The Budget and Left Bush with a Surplus, which Bush Squandered.


5. George W. Bush: 8 Years

Note: Borrowed Heavily from Communist-Socialist China to Finance Our 2 wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Gave Corporate Manufacturers Big Tax Credits, Tax Breaks and Tax Incentives to LEAVE AMERICA'S WORKERS for Communist-Socialist CHINA AND VIET NAM as well as other Nations such as Canada, Mexico, Brazil, India, Columbia as Other Countries Known for their Cheap Labor. Bush gave Us TARP, though Republicans try to put this Coat on Obama.

Still, Republican Presidents and Majority Senate & Congress Ruled Far Longer. Trace It Back and See

Posted by: omaarsblade | February 28, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The current bill provides close to universal coverage, reduces deficits and prevents insurance company from denying or dropping people from coverage. What more one can wish! It is win-win situation.

Its central piece is the creation of exchange vs the single payer. The exchange was the Republican idea. Now the Republicans are opposing it just like they opposed the idea of deficit reduction commission after proposing it or used reconciliation for passing tax cuts and now oppose it. Republicans are being so hypocritical and harmful to the interest of the nation; They think it will help them in Nov. Let us prove them wrong- the nation comes first.

Posted by: ak1967 | February 28, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Tell GrandMa & GrandPa about Giving a Damn Voucher or Depend On The "Private Sector"

Did Or Do Any of You Ever Count On or Have Faith in [AIG] Or Wall Street Or Bear-Sterns Or Morgan-Stanley Or Goldman-Sachs Or, Bank Of America, Chase, Citi-Group or Any Other Financial System ?

None of these Private Sector Corporations would Exist if Not for the Big Bad Mean Ole Government, Some of You Disparage.

None of these Private Sector Corporations Listed Above would Exist Today.

Some of You People Need to [THINK]

TARP: Bush-Cheney's & Henry Paulson's Financial Bailout Program, Not Obama's

Posted by: omaarsblade | February 28, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Private Sector: F--KED UP GREECE.

Greece's Universal Health Care: Still Exist

Greece Got Screwed Royally By The "Private Sector"

Goldman-Sachs: Screwed Greece and Don't be Surprise to See Goldman-Sachs [Sued] By Greece and The European Union.

Again...

Goldman-Sachs: Bankrupted This Nation and The Republican Senate-Congress, Fox News & Republican AM-Hate Radio Still Sings The Praise of [Free Enterprise & The Private Sector] Knowing the...

FREE ENTERPRISE F--KED THE USA ROYALLY AND WE BAILED OUT THE FINANCIAL SECTOR WITHOUT HESITATION OR RESERVATION.

_______________________

THESE SO CALLED "REPUBLICANS" ARE ACTUALLY "CORPORATIST" THE FUNNY THING ABOUT THEIR FOLLOWERS, THE CORPORATIST ONLY CARE ABOUT THESE VIEWERS FROM A SHILL PERSPECTIVE, OTHERTHAN THAT, THEY COULD GIVE A RAT'S BACKSIDE ABOUT THEM.

[THINK]

Posted by: omaarsblade | February 28, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

She's a hideous, awful and corrupt glutton. Nothing in support of the comforts are too much for this pig. The exhorbitant liquor and caviar bills for her airliner parties on the way home every weekend ($101,000 per year and counting), the endless flow of booze, food and water for her staff. This cow is a billionaire with all her assets hidden away, living on botox and the American taxpayer and she has the nerve to council the rest of us on how to live. She's a reprehensible cow, quite without redemption and I look forward to her near-future minority speakership.
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Now James let's not say sexist things about Speaker Pelosi. Her tactics are reprehensible and a lot of people would say she's betrayed her oath of office - but that means a trial for treason, not a sexist rant.

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Posted by: michaelniland | February 28, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

ak1967 wrote:
Democrats should pass the health care bill and for spend the next six months telling the people all over the country what is in the bill vs if nothing was done.
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It would take about that long just to read the bill, wouldn't it?

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Posted by: michaelniland | February 28, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

She's a hideous, awful and corrupt glutton. Nothing in support of the comforts are too much for this pig. The exhorbitant liquor and caviar bills for her airliner parties on the way home every weekend ($101,000 per year and counting), the endless flow of booze, food and water for her staff. This cow is a billionaire with all her assets hidden away, living on botox and the American taxpayer and she has the nerve to council the rest of us on how to live. She's a reprehensible cow, quite without redemption and I look forward to her near-future minority speakership.

Posted by: JamesChristian | February 28, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

aepelbaum wrote:
I used to like Pelosi, michaelniland. Especially when she tried to stop this Iraqi invasion in late fall of 2002. Many things have changed since that time, including my then fierce support for Pelosi.
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Yeah, me too. She was my favorite back when Cowboy Bush went and rustled up trouble in Eye Rack.

But you're right - now it's 2010, and the great George Walker Bush has some timeless words for us. "Fuzzy Math".

E.g., Obamacare.

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Posted by: michaelniland | February 28, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Remember what is at stake! If Obama loses this fight, his entire momentum will be crippled. But, if he passes his bill it will:

* Cut $500 billion from Medicare

* Force rationing of health care

* Raise income taxes to 43% (from 35%) and capital gains taxes to 22.5% (from 15%)

* Force a $2,000 increase in the average health insurance premium

* Force young people to buy insurance they don't need or want that would cost over $8500 per person

* Or...pay 2.5% of their income as a fine for not having insurance

* Or...face prison if they don't do either

* Tax medical devices and many medical procedures

And, in addition to all of the above, it will have an horrific impact on the deficit. Don't listen to Obama's claims to deficit neutrality. The bill will cost $1 trillion over six years and will generate revenues of $1 trillion over ten years. But if you run the projections out to fourteen years, the costs exceed the revenues by over $1 trillion.

These projections do not include about $1 trillion in health insurance premiums or fines that the uninsured will have to pay and about $3 trillion in increased health insurance premiums the rest of us will have to pay.

The Cato Institute estimates that the total cost of this bill over a twenty year period will come to $6.5 trillion.

WE CANNOT afford this travesty that the Dems are trying to cram down our throats.

It's not about health care reform....it's all about governmental control! HOAX and CHAINS!!!

Posted by: atthun | February 28, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

More Republican fearmongering - Sen. Alexander was on teevee this morning claiming that if Reconciliation is used to pass health care reform, it will "End the Senate."

But apparently not - since Alexander voted for these bills passed via Reconciliation....

– 2003 Bush Tax Cuts: The Congressional Budget office, Bush’s tax cuts for the rich increased budget deficits by $60 BILLION in 2003 and by $340 BILLION by 2008. The bill had a cost of about a TRILLION dollars. [Alexander voted yes.]

– 2005 Deficit Reduction Act of 2005: The bill cut approximately $4.8 billion over five years and $26.1 billion over the next ten years from Medicaid spending. [Alexander voted yes.]

– 2005 Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005: The bill extended tax cuts on capital gains and dividends and the alternative minimum tax. [Alexander voted yes.]

– 2007 College Cost Reduction and Access Act: The bill forgave all remaining student loan debt after 10 years of public service. [Alexander voted yes]

In the end, Alexander’s mere presence on television this morning seems to indicate that using reconciliation does not, in fact, end the Senate.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/02/28/alexander-end-senate

Posted by: angie12106 | February 28, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Admire Pelosi's comments. She has courage. Democrats should pass the health care bill and for spend the next six months telling the people all over the country what is in the bill vs if nothing was done. I am sure the bill will be a hit with the people. And Democrats will retain the big majority. Show courage and the truth will be evident. It is an excellent bill.

Posted by: ak1967 | February 28, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

etronsen wrote:
A program which distributed a free band aid to every American would be characterized a sa victory by Ms. Pelosi and President Obama.
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Hahahahaha. Somebody should introduce this bill.

I'd be willing to cough up the... 350 million * (44 cent stamp + a band aid) to prove that America still has a sense of humor.


austininc4
Deficit hawks are out in full force, only until the Treasury has been fully pillaged by those who claim to be for balanced budgets ie., Republican Party and its Corporate Paymasters !
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The (R)s are basically just straw men right now. For you, I mean, everybody else seems to be saying it's the (D)s pillaging the Treasury.

Hahaha, the "Treasury"? Our "treasure" is 12 trillion IOUs.
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Posted by: michaelniland | February 28, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I used to like Pelosi, michaelniland. Especially when she tried to stop this Iraqi invasion in late fall of 2002. Many things have changed since that time, including my then fierce support for Pelosi. I was in 2002 there, near San Francisco. Not any more. Pelosi has compromised herself seriously within last eight years. So, whichever negative is coming to her she has deserved, I think. Amen. Dems should expect November crash, and their expectation would be delivered.the problem that drastical changes in goverment's power does not change american life even a bit to better.

Posted by: aepelbaum | February 28, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

A program which distributed a free band aid to every American would be characterized as a victory by Ms. Pelosi and President Obama.

Posted by: etronsen | February 28, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

A program which distributed a free abnd aid to every American would be characterized a sa victory by Ms. Pelosi and President Obama.

Posted by: etronsen | February 28, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Mdsubramonia, Obama and his administration do not look like people who can pass something decent in the area of health care reform. I am pretty sure that they won't, as many democrats, including Pelosi, are due for reelection this November. And people obviously do not trust Obama and his administration with health reform. I am with majority on this one. So, empowerment of middle class, which was only the figure of speech during Obama's eloquence, is not going to come. Not mentioning that it is not connected any way with this health reform. I, however, am not much interested in this reform one or other way now. I didn't before want their cashing of Medicare when I am just going to start to use it. I seems to be stopped, and whoever is trying to pass this Chrismas eve senate's bill would simply lose their job. Otherwise, I am using the general common sense, and it tells me as it does the majority of Americans that Obama's administration won't accomplish health care reform and never ever was interested in the improving the middle class life and/or the welfare of American's majority. Alas.

Posted by: aepelbaum | February 28, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

aepelbaum wrote:
It seems to me that she would reconsider a few times more how easy it is or would be to let this senate bill through and ends up with only the necessity to save her own seat in the house, which would be, I think, "no go" for this health care bill.
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It might be too late for Nancy.

The conversation about treason that's been going on today is a pretty long shot - I admit, sometimes it's satisfying to talk about the executions of Congresspeople - but I don't think anyone in Washington is that dense (with the possible exception of Senator Michael Bennet, D-CO).

Nevertheless, there are a lot of smart, crazy people in San Francisco. One of two of them have actually sat down and read this abomination called Obamacare, and they're going to make sure this incumbent is out in 2010.
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Posted by: michaelniland | February 28, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Nancy, Nancy, Nancy. Why do you continue to beat this dead horse? There are swamps to be drained. Rangel, tax cheat extrodinare, awaits the wrath of your rightous anger. You know, the anger that you usually direct toward Vets and the American Tea Party people exercising their Constitutional rights.

Posted by: snowy2 | February 28, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse


Hey Pelosi, show the AMERICAN people some "positive results" by PASSING HEALTH CARE REFORM NOW!~!!!!!!

Posted by: demtse | February 28, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Republicans weren't complaining about deficits, spending, or predicting doom when they were in power, naturally. Since they were booted out of power for willful negligence and incompetence, they're now trying to reclaim the title of being "the party of responsibility". In order to do this, as usual, they result to tactics of fear by creating all kinds of boogey men and appealing to the mass who have a partial understanding of reality and of themselves, which is an insult to those who support them.” Deficit hawks are out in full force, only until the Treasury has been fully pillaged by those who claim to be for balanced budgets ie., Republican Party and its Corporate Paymasters !

Posted by: austininc4 | February 28, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse


Hey Pelosi, show the AMERICAN people some "positive results" by PASSING HEALTH CARE REFORM NOW!~!!!!!!

Posted by: demtse | February 28, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi changes her mind about the passage of health care reform through House approximately every two weeks or even more frequently. People didn't want what Senate let through on Christmas eve. Brown election showed very clearly that every senate seat and every House seat can be easily revised in November of 2010. And Pelosi is due for reelection this November. It seems to me that she would reconsider a few times more how easy it is or would be to let this senate bill through and ends up with only the necessity to save her own seat in the house, which would be, I think, "no go" for this health care bill.

Posted by: aepelbaum | February 28, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse


Hey Pelosi, show the AMERICAN people some "positive results" by PASSING HEALTH CARE REFORM NOW!~!!!!!!

Posted by: demtse | February 28, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

austininc4 wrote:
Lets not forget the Republicans weren't on board for a Woman's right to own land or vote; the Blacks right to vote; Social Security, Civil Rights; Medicare, ..etc. ---

Are we going to play that game? Okay.

Let's not forget the Democrats COMMITTED TREASON BY SECEDING FROM THE UNION IN ORDER TO PRESERVE SLAVERY OF BLACKS.

Ready to come on board with common-sense yet?

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Posted by: michaelniland | February 28, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Note to Barry: Check the majority of National Polls on this matter, the UP/DOWN Vote has already been made by the People that COUNT !!! The Taxpayers/Citizens/Voters that will be affected, mandated and be required to pay for this Legislation !!! I would suggest that YOU Barry, should listen to the People that put YOU in the Oval Office, they can also put YOU OUT of the Oval Office !!! The Voters don't want the Dog Food that you are trying to shove down their throats !!!

Posted by: thgirbla | February 28, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks that a well run government agency cannot support itself should read this article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/25/AR2010022504888.html

There is no reason government run healthcare should be a money pit if its mandate was to be self supporting. Premiums could be paid via subscribers, and those who would or are being subsidized because of low income etc. could be funded separately and accounted for.

Posted by: abigsam | February 28, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Good to see the Post parroting Nancy Pelosi's message in a new and creative way.

Obamacare is treason.

Has Speaker Pelosi ever stopped to read one of these comment pages on a newspaper, like the Post, that respects the principles of democracy and doesn't censor its readers?

I'm not the only one saying "treason".

If she tries to push this thing through the woman's making herself an appointment with the gallows.

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Posted by: michaelniland | February 28, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Do you think Pelosi seeing "positive results from health-care legislation” with all the haggling and bickering in the U.S. House is related to her own political personal involvement in pushing the proposed Obama White House bills?

Pelosi must be intelligent enough to realize the political divide cause by Democrats pushing a perversion of nationalized health-care against the will of the America people. The only positive result is that the American voters are dead set against Democrat Party government programs.

Posted by: klausdmk | February 28, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I listened to the Pelosi interview this morning. Pelosi specifically said that many of the Republican proposals were included in the House bill.
Strange that she said that, in lieu of the fact that she shut out the Republicans behind closed doors without input from Republicans.
This gal is delusional. Refusing to start over is not an option for her. Even though this bill in its length stinks to high heaven. Well, after November, this bill if passed will require to be rewritten in its entirety!

Posted by: SeniorVet | February 28, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"Lets not forget the Republicans weren't on board for a Woman's right to own land or vote; the Blacks right to vote; Social Security, Civil Rights; Medicare, ..etc. "

Did you actually pass 6th grade history or do you make stuff up?

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | February 28, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

austininc4

Your post at 3:58 is outragous.


First, your little history lesson fails to mention that it was the democrats who were filibustering all the civil rights legislation.


AND you fail to mention that the democratic party aligned itself with the KKK to sponsor state terrorism against the blacks from 1876 to 1960.

Your position is inaccurate - your hatred is displaced - and it is hatred.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 28, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

THE PENALTY PROVISON SUCKS ROCKS.

But if they are going to have a penalty provision, the least they could do is include a years coverage under the public option to those forced to pay the penalty, so that I get something for the penalty when I really can't afford to buy health insurance.

And if you are not offering the Public Option supported by the majority of Americans, this is a joke.

Posted by: nmrn | February 28, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

You would have thought the Dems would be smarter than to send out the dim-witted Pelosi to try to sell their much hated Health Plan. Pelosi is the least liked politician in the US right now, even lower than Obama and Reid! After to day, the desperation in the Democratic party is there for all to see....not only do they now know they won't get the Socialist Health Plan they desired, they readily admit they will be crushed in the upcoming mid-term elections. Pelosi's little statement about the Dems retaining control of the House is akin to the same claims about about Coakley, just days before Scott Brown crushed her in the Democratic Party Homeland of Massachusetts!

Posted by: Realist20 | February 28, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Dems have taken the political hit with regard to health reform and thus have nothing else to lose and a lot to gain (not the least of which is rallying the base for the midterms). Time to push this over the finish line, time to save 40,000 lives every year, time to finally put this issue to rest.

Posted by: zackool | February 28, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

You remember Botox, Denial, Stretched faced San Fran Nan, the same Nan that LIED about being briefed by the CIA ???

She's a Professional Politician, which makes her a Professional Liar !!!

Memo to Nan: Nan, WE the Taxpayers/Citizens/Voters of this Nation do NOT want this dog food that YOU want to shove down our throats!!! Read the latest Polls Nan !!! You can't spin and have no control over that part of the story !!!

Check you own approval ratings !!! 8% ??? People don't believe or trust anything that YOU say !!!

Tough pill to swallow, but YOU did it to yourself !!!

PERIOD.

Soon to be End of Story !!!

Next question.

Posted by: thgirbla | February 28, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans will never come aboard on health care because it will make President Obama look good. And quite frankly I don't want one Republican name on this bill. Lets not forget the Republicans weren't on board for a Woman's right to own land or vote; the Blacks right to vote; Social Security, Civil Rights; Medicare, ..etc. Basically anything that doesn't benefit the rich or helps the poor middle class or minorities. Enough said on this pathetic bunch of sub human beings.

Posted by: austininc4 | February 28, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama, Pelosi, and Reid better thin twice before voting. Anyone, Republican or Democrat who votes "yes" we will start a recall election on them. It is time they learn the Constitution. The Constitution and God backs us on this

Posted by: andrewluck

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Not to single out this particular poster, but this sort of statement appears repeatedly but no one ever identifies anything specific in the Constitution or the Bible which supports any of this nonsense.

Posted by: twm1 | February 28, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

The American people are against the Dems plans because the plans don't pass the smell test.

Posted by: hipshot | February 28, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Indpnt1 wrote>>>What we object to is taxpayer funded murder of unborn children!

Well see - there goes another GOP "principle" out the window.
Republicans DO support abortions - the ones covered through their OWN private health care Insurance plans.

Posted by: angie12106 | February 28, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Congress - Get. It. Done.

The American voters elected a party that promised health care reform. Meaningful reform. Get it done. We expect it. And to heck with the Republican / No Government extremists, some of the craziest that we can witness here on this forum.

The Republican's message for Americans who need help is, in the words of Senator Bunning (KY-R), "Tough sh*t."

Posted by: hitpoints | February 28, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Indpnt1 wrote this gem: "Hey moron, no one makes the claim that liberals have been able to make murdering unborn children legal.
What we object to is taxpayer funded murder of unborn children!

But the facts remain that conservatives like undrpnts1 have consistently politicized the issue of abortion, and now, more than ever, spew the vomit of liberal abortion squads. Sarah Palin was the torch bearer for a while, until she had a brain fart and told her scabs that she had thought about an abortion.

And undrpnts1's constantly calling people a "moron" simply shows he has had his fair share of others caliing him the same, obviously for good reason. So, in the spirit of fairness, let's all give undrpnts1 a rousing cheer of "MORON".

Bye now, undrpnts1.

Posted by: swatkins1 | February 28, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama, Pelosi, and Reid better thin twice before voting. Anyone, Republican or Democrat who votes "yes" we will start a recall election on them. It is time they learn the Constitution.

If you would like the same contact your Secretary of State for info specific to your state. Tha Constitution and God backs us on this. >y sleeves are rolled up.

Obama said this was one "he was ready to fight for"? One had better be careful what they wish for Obama is not taking our trample on our rights and Great Constitution PERIOD!!!!!!!!

"If we do the Possible, God will do the Imposssible"

Posted by: andrewluck | February 28, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

badgerburg wrote>>>Any congressman who votes for this Healthcare bill that is full of bribes and lies will be voted into retirement in the next election cycle.

Funny how Repubs are NOW against bribes in legislation. Makes you wonder where they were during the Republican hey day of the Bush Error.
One such event was the House Medicare D vote that Repubs held open for 4 HOURS! - while Tom DeLay and cronies ran around the Floor twisting arms and bribing members.
All captured on C-Span.

Posted by: angie12106 | February 28, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

hey nancy fancy panties pelosi? just do us a favor and STFU... you're bad news.

Posted by: AuthoritativeAuthoritarian | February 28, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Anti-abortion voters have private insurance plans that includes coverage for abortions.
Hmm....wonder why Republicans aren't demanding the Insurance industry remove abortion coverage from ALL their policies?
ha!


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Hey moron, no one makes the claim that liberals have been able to make murdering unborn children legal.


What we object to is taxpayer funded murder of unborn children!

Posted by: Indpnt1 | February 28, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

In nine months, we will no longer have to deal with Nancy Pelosi being a national figure.


Except of course the corruption investigation that will lead to her imprisonment.

Posted by: Indpnt1 | February 28, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Anti-abortion voters have private insurance plans that includes coverage for abortions.
Hmm....wonder why Republicans aren't demanding the Insurance industry remove abortion coverage from ALL their policies?
ha!


Posted by: angie12106 | February 28, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Any congressman who votes for this Healthcare bill that is full of bribes and lies will be voted into retirement in the next election cycle.
Pelosi, Reid, and Obama could care less how many seats the Democrats lose in 2010 or 2012. They are pursuing the destruction of the Democrat Party along with the country.

Posted by: badgerburg | February 28, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Deficit crisis - The last three Republican Presidents amassed $9 Trillion in deficit spending. The last Democratic President left a surplus budget. The current Democratic President inherited the worst economy in this country since 1941 with the highest number of unemployed in our history (15 million, which doesn't account for dependents) and 40 million people living in poverty. The Republican solution is to close there eyes and make them go away, which would drastically cut into their voter base because most of them are Republicans.

The current deficit spending isn't new spending. It is a lack of governmental income. They taught that in the 10th grade before Reagan's massive education cuts. It hurts but you can't abandon your citizenry when they are down. At least Democrats do. Republicans apparently relish the idea of abandoning their own. Its part of the creed, isn't it. Everyone has the "opportunity" of living without government interference. One of those terrific right-wing "values" they boast about.

Posted by: BigTrees | February 28, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Thank God for the Democrats. Let the Republicans burn in hell for their backstabbing of the people.

Posted by: larry9 | February 28, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

This Health Care Bill is dead - Pelosi, once again , is lying. Th eonly way she passes something is to radically change what is currently in the bill. Thank God the GOP held their position against Obama. or the US would be heading to a budget deficit crisis like Greece or California.

Posted by: Realist20 | February 28, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Unless and until the Democrats eliminate all of the sweetheart deals made with individual Congress persons; and unless and until they reduce the overall cost of the plan, the health care bill won't pass. I believe Pelosi knows this, despite all her whistling in the dark.

Posted by: Diogenes | February 28, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

What is pissing off most voters, but not the teabaggers and other right-wing radicals, is the Republican filibusters. Just saying NO to everything and blocking any actions in Congress doesn't help anyone or anything.

There are still nominations from February 2009 being blocked by Republican Senators trying to blackmail the administration into spending stimulus money all the Republicans voted against in their states. I am thinking of Alabama Senator Richard Shelby.

So, if you want to parrot the right-wing disinformation about healthcare reform fine. Hannity and Limbaugh get paid to do that. I doubt if you do. Remember they made most of it up and twisted the rest of it into pretzels. If you did any kind of research into their "facts" you would know that.

But before you foam any more take a look at what we have - rationing by insurance companies, cancellations by insurance companies, escalating health insurance premiums, insurance companies with annual record profits, MEDICAID/MEDICARE costs rising to cover the uninsured, dirty hospitals, nurse shortages, doctor shortages, unsustainable medical school costs... Should I go on? You want status quo? Have you

You right-wingers attack everything proposed by a Democrat and believe everything you are told by another foam-at-the-mouth right-wing idiot and never ever question it. You people are so misinformed, misled and misguided you haven't figured out Republicans set the healthcare system up this way, part of Gingrich's Contract On America and Reaganomics at its worst, and are doing everything they can to protect it. They are the best government big business can buy at the moment and you idiots keep voting for it.

Republicans have controlled our economy for 36 of the last 42 years (since 1968) and it is a wreck. Why? Because the GOP has been the big business party for 140 years and you foamers haven't been able to figure that out. Maybe your representatives shouldn't have cut education budgets so much after all.

Idiots! Your philosophy is killing all of us!

Posted by: BigTrees | February 28, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

It woud be easier for Obama to learn to fly by flapping his oversized ears than sell Socialism to a center-right America. Greg Neubeck

Posted by: gneubeck | February 28, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse


CNN Health Care Poll

38% Generally favor
58% Generally oppose
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Posted by: geo82170 | February 28, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/31/weiner-medicare/
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Republicans Reveal Their Hypocrisy On Health Care, Refuse To Support Bill To Kill Government-Run Medicare
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For months, Republicans have been trying to scare Americans away from supporting a public option in health care reform, claiming that “government-run” medicine is akin to socialism and would be disastrous. But the government already runs several successful, well-loved health care programs — most notably, Medicare.

Yesterday, Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) decided that it was “put-up or shut-up time for the phonies who deride the so-called ‘public option.’” He offered an amendment that would eliminate government-run Medicare:

weineramdt

Not a single member of Congress voted for the amendment, and Republicans were blasting it as a “political farce.” Last night, Weiner went on MSNBC and explained the GOP’s hypocrisy:

WEINER: Well, for some reason, I guess Republicans don’t like publicly funded, publicly administered health plans except for Medicare, and, I guess, except for the Veterans Administration and except for the health care that our military gets from the Department of Defense. The fact of the matter is, what we’ve learned is that government administered health care works pretty darn well. It’s got lower overhead and people like it.

So, when my Republican colleagues pound the drum and pound the podium about how they hate government-run health care, I guess they haven’t looked at what they get.

Watch it:

Republicans are refusing to acknowledge the hypocrisy in their statements warning about “socialized” medicine and their support for Medicare. Of course, conservatives also opposed the creation of Medicare in the 1960s and made many of the same claims that their counterparts are doing today. Forty-four years later, Medicare has helped America’s senior citizens live longer, healthier lives. By not voting for Weiner’s amendment, conservatives are acknowledging that their supposedly substantive claims about health care reform are nothing more than crass political fear-mongering.

Posted by: omaarsblade | February 28, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Heh- watch the right wing loons whine and cry ... until they or someone in their family gets cancer and needs health care. Then they'll be first in line.

Until then, they are so happy to defend the profit margins of the health care industry, along with the Republican party.

Consider:

As of 2007, "about one in 26 Americans have had cancer.

By 2020, roughly one in 19 will have been diagnosed with the disease".

The typical price of family coverage now runs about $13,000 a year (employer-sponsored health benefits), but premiums are expected to nearly double, to $24,000, by 2020. Commonwealth Fund. This represents an average median increase to 24% of family income by 2020.

The number of uninsured individuals are expected to increase from about 49 million today to between 57 million and 66 million by 2019. Currently, “almost 21 million uninsured individuals—45% of the total—have a full-time job".

Those who think the status quo is sufficient, or the best, or that they are entitled to what they’ve earned through a lifetime of work and that they shouldn’t have to pay for anyone else (public option or single payer or expanded Medicare, or any one of the other options), seem to think they have what they don’t have: security in things staying as they are.

Just few examples: your company could drop its health plan. According to the US Census Bureau, the percentage of the population covered by employer-based health insurance has fallen every year since 2000, from 64.2% to 59.3%. 


You could lose your job.

You could voluntarily leave your job, for example because you have to move to take care of an elderly relative. 


You could get divorced from the spouse you depend on for health coverage.

No one in this country has health security. It doesn’t exist.
Social Security statistics indicate that a “ 20-year-old worker... faces a 3-in-10 chance of becoming disabled before reaching retirement age".

No one can be assured of adequate health care unless they happen to be one of those in the top 1 to 2% of income bracket in the Unites States and can afford any procedure at any price

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-03-13-cancer-boom_N.htm


http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/411965_failure_to_enact.pdf

Posted by: losthorizon10 | February 28, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I also believe there will be a positive result from reform of the stinking democratic party and a return to a two party sytem with both dedicated to the welfare of all americans.

Posted by: rvaw120 | February 28, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

It's easy for her to make such predictions since she represents San Francisco. What about most of the other Democrats in the House?

Posted by: suegbic1 | February 28, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Good for Pelosi and the Democrats. Reject the cold and callous hearts of right-wing haters. Improve our nation's health and our self-respect as an advanced nation.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | February 28, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Excellent stats, dove:

Again, your post:

Reagan came into office with initial job approval ratings as high as 60% by mid-March 1981. On March 30, Reagan was shot by John Hinckley and the resulting concern and sympathy lifted his ratings to 68% by May.

But even as Reagan recovered from his wounds, the public's concerns about the bad economy didn't, and his ratings began to fall as each month went by.

By the end of 1981, Reagan's job approval rating had drifted down to 49%.

In 1982, the public's view of the economy remained sour, and his ratings during 1982 fell even further, hitting the 40% range, ending his second year at 41%. In the '82 midterm elections, the Republicans lost 28 seats in the House. The cause? The economy and the voter's anger over it.

The unemployment rate in Reagan's second year - a full year after his tax cuts for the top 1% - rose to a post WW2 high of 10.8%. According to Gallup, only one third approved of the way he was handling the economy, with the deficit exploding due to his tax cuts benefiting the wealthy.

At the beginning of '83, his approval rating fell to a low of 35%.

The economy, and Reagan's approval, only started to improve in his third year.

01/1981 - Unemployment rate 7.5% .... Reagan sworn in.
02/1981 - 7.4%
03/1981 - 7.4%
04/1981 - 7.2%
05/1981 - 7.5%
06/1981 - 7.5%
07/1981 - 7.2%
08/1981 - 7.4% *Reagan cuts taxes for top 1% & says unemployment will DROP to 6.9%.
09/1981 - 7.6%
10/1981 - 7.9%
11/1981 - 8.3%
12/1981 - 8.5%
01/1982 - 8.6%
02/1982 - 8.9%
03/1982 - 9.0%
04/1982 - 9.3%
05/1982 - 9.4%
06/1982 - 9.6%
07/1982 - 9.8%
08/1982 - 9.8%
09/1982 - 10.1%
10/1982 - 10.4%
11/1982 - 10.8%

For some contrast:

At the start of President Obama's second year, the unemployment rate has so far fallen from 10% to 9.7%, and in the BEA/U.S. Department of Commerce's now revised estimate for GDP growth in the 4th quarter of 2009, released on Friday, the number went up from the initial estimate of 5.7% to 5.9% - the best growth in over six years.

In addition, as some may have already seen, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office last week released its study on the impact of the Recovery Act so far:

The stimulus created up to 2.1 million jobs in the last three months of 2009.

It boosted the economy by up to 3.5 percent.

It lowered the unemployment rate by up to 2.1 percent during that period.

In 2010, the package is expected to boost GDP by between 1.4 percent and 4 percent.

In 2010 the package is expected to bring down the unemployment rate by between 0.7 percent and 1.8 percent.

And in contrast to Reagan's approval numbers, as Gallup released today, President Obama has hovered at just below or above 50% in a "high degree of stability" since November, while Reagan's had plummeted to 40% or below during the same period.

In addition, despite the talk of independents and his base leaving him in droves:

Posted by: dove369 | February 28, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jsmith33351 | February 28, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

No mention of Sen. Mary Landrieu and the "Louisiana purchase", why is that, Nancy?

Posted by: sam51 | February 28, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

nam1 wrote:

dove369,
Your stats show you are so stupid.
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So sorry I don't deal with stats. These are FACTS!....Look them up yourself, don't take my word for it!

Republicans always stoop to name calling when you hit them in the face with a 2by4 plank full of facts!

Posted by: dove369 | February 28, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

dove369,

Your stats show you are so stupid. Let's say you are in financial distress that you can't pay your own debt. You rob others a huge check and now live lavishly on that check. You think that's the financial improvement you got? Or you should think of the day when you spent all that money and still can't pay your debt and have to go to jail for it?

To make it short for your understanding, the GDP growth you see is from the spending of the money that the government doesn't have. The gov borrows that money from China and others. You and we all are paying for the interest for this generation.

If the government doesn't borrow money and spend money, the impact is limited. Now the entire country is in debt by spending free money. When free money is spent, inefficiency follows of course. When hard earned money is spent, people often think twice and make the most out of it. Got it?

N.

Posted by: nam1 | February 28, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

A part of me wants the loony-left d-crat socialists to exhibit their FULL CONTEMPT for voters and the democratic process and do the sleazy, dirty reconciliation deed for their socialist healthcare-rationing bill. That way, patriotic Americans will put them out of power for the rest of my life, and I won't have to even think about them anymore. And if the d-crat socialists can invoke this horrific bill with just 51 votes, then responsible, true representatives of the American people can rescind it with just 51 votes.

Posted by: TeaPartyPatriot | February 28, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The botox is seeping into Nancy's brain. Suddenly, her 2200 health-care monster is suddenly a "jobs-bill."

Does she expect us to believe this cr@p?

Posted by: pgr88 | February 28, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I hope she is right. Now is the time to do health care reform. With insurance rates rising 17% to 39% this year alone and with millions uninsured or under insured, the skyrocketing cost of health care and insurance will bankrupt this country and destroy the middle class.

I hope the Democrats have the grit to get this done.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | February 28, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

COMRADE DEMOCRATS: take a Time-Out

Disastrous Big Government Policies are decimating our Economy

STIMULUS:
- 85% Union at $45 an hour v. National Standard of $25, meant 300,000 less jobs and 300,000 more on unemployment
- NO E-Verfiy in Bill, meant 300,000 Illegals getting paid by taxpayers (Pelosi)

CLUNKERS:
- $26 billion gone for minimal results
- $24,000 for each $4,000 rebate - Government Union Employees
- Trade-ins, had to have good credit
- Most trade-ins were for relatively new 14 MPG trucks for 17 MPG trucks ... not green

HEALTH CARE:
- NO TORT REFORM: Ambulance Chasers gave Democrats $180 Million in 2008, $43 Million to Obama
- NO NATIONAL COMPETITION: Obama has already bought the insurance Companies ... 30 Million new "clients" on the taxpayers and they don't have to compete

Democrats certainly don't mind failing over and over, and over ... with taxpayer dollars - as long as they give money to Illegals, Lawyers and Unions for reelection ..

Democrats take a rest ...

REDO and RESTART on C-SPAN

Posted by: highkey11 | February 28, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/27/mccain-health-insurance/
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Town Haller-Attendee Confronts McCain: ‘Why Don’t I Have The Health Insurance You’ve Got!’

Fred LenzenMeir: Claims Its Good Enough for the President and Members of Congress that He a [Tax Payer] Pays For, why shouldn't he have their [Equivalent] in Health Care Coverage ?

Hysterical: Look at how McCain says [See Ya]
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Over this past month, it has become a customary sight at town halls across the country to witness angry protesters mouthing right-wing talking points against health reform. But yesterday, in a town hall forum in Phoenix, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) was confronted by an attendee who voiced passionate anger in support of health reform:

Why don’t I have the health insurance you’ve got! Because I’m paying for it! And I’m paying for the President of the United States’ health insurance and Congress’ health insurance. Why don’t I have that! I’m your employer! I’m your employer! You work for me, and you’ve got a better health insurance plan than I’ve got!

McCain responded, “You’re exactly right. That’s why I want to make health care insurance available and affordable to you sir.” Watch it:

Federal employees have excellent health care because they are provided an array of affordable choices. Obama is pushing to expand choice for all Americans by creating a national health insurance exchange — modeled on the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program — “where Americans can one-stop shop for a health care plan, compare benefits and prices, and choose the plan that’s best for them, in the same way that Members of Congress and their families can.”

“One of these options,” Obama said, “needs to be a public option. It will give people a broader range of choices and inject competition into the health care market so that we can force waste out of the system and keep the insurance companies honest.” But McCain adamantly opposes the public option.

Last night, McCain told Fox News’ Sean Hannity that America just “is not ready” for quality “government-run health care.”

Posted by: omaarsblade | February 28, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Excellent post, dove369!

I always enjoy comments that are mostly FACTS, and your post is well supported by the facts, which is refreshing in this online environment of spin and biased opinion.

I think it's time to give the Obama administration some well deserved credit. Obama inherited a huge mess, and, as your fact point out, within one year his actions (the recovery act, stimulus bill) have significantly improved our country.

If he can achieve health care reform, a goal that has eluded so many presidents, Obama will be on his way to "greatest ever" status.

Posted by: jgarrisn | February 28, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

The Health Care bill once passed will move this country definitely in a new direction- that is what the voters voted for in 2008.

Middle-class empowerment.

Posted by: mdsubramonia | February 28, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is basically asking moderate Dems in the House to fall on their swords on a bill that was not popular when they first voted on it and has become even more so as the months have passed by. As for the 'Bipartisan' part of the bill, this thing was crafted by and supported by Dems so no matter how they spin it, it's going to wind up being their bill...consequences and all. My personal belief is that if they pass this thing, they are in big trouble not just in November, but for years. Why? Many of the real benefits aren't going to be realized for literally YEARS down the road, not immediately and for Dems trying to defend that in the mid-terms is going to be a pretty tough sell to their constituents, especially those that are out of work.

Posted by: rigoman33 | February 28, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

The only "positive" result will be when Pelosi is thrown out of that job, and sent back to California never to be seen or heard from again.

Posted by: rplat | February 28, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

dasheight's diary :: ::
Reagan came into office with initial job approval ratings as high as 60% by mid-March 1981. On March 30, Reagan was shot by John Hinckley and the resulting concern and sympathy lifted his ratings to 68% by May.

But even as Reagan recovered from his wounds, the public's concerns about the bad economy didn't, and his ratings began to fall as each month went by.

By the end of 1981, Reagan's job approval rating had drifted down to 49%.

In 1982, the public's view of the economy remained sour, and his ratings during 1982 fell even further, hitting the 40% range, ending his second year at 41%. In the '82 midterm elections, the Republicans lost 28 seats in the House. The cause? The economy and the voter's anger over it.

The unemployment rate in Reagan's second year - a full year after his tax cuts for the top 1% - rose to a post WW2 high of 10.8%. According to Gallup, only one third approved of the way he was handling the economy, with the deficit exploding due to his tax cuts benefiting the wealthy.

At the beginning of '83, his approval rating fell to a low of 35%.

The economy, and Reagan's approval, only started to improve in his third year.

01/1981 - Unemployment rate 7.5% .... Reagan sworn in.
02/1981 - 7.4%
03/1981 - 7.4%
04/1981 - 7.2%
05/1981 - 7.5%
06/1981 - 7.5%
07/1981 - 7.2%
08/1981 - 7.4% *Reagan cuts taxes for top 1% & says unemployment will DROP to 6.9%.
09/1981 - 7.6%
10/1981 - 7.9%
11/1981 - 8.3%
12/1981 - 8.5%
01/1982 - 8.6%
02/1982 - 8.9%
03/1982 - 9.0%
04/1982 - 9.3%
05/1982 - 9.4%
06/1982 - 9.6%
07/1982 - 9.8%
08/1982 - 9.8%
09/1982 - 10.1%
10/1982 - 10.4%
11/1982 - 10.8%

For some contrast:

At the start of President Obama's second year, the unemployment rate has so far fallen from 10% to 9.7%, and in the BEA/U.S. Department of Commerce's now revised estimate for GDP growth in the 4th quarter of 2009, released on Friday, the number went up from the initial estimate of 5.7% to 5.9% - the best growth in over six years.

In addition, as some may have already seen, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office last week released its study on the impact of the Recovery Act so far:

The stimulus created up to 2.1 million jobs in the last three months of 2009.

It boosted the economy by up to 3.5 percent.

It lowered the unemployment rate by up to 2.1 percent during that period.

In 2010, the package is expected to boost GDP by between 1.4 percent and 4 percent.

In 2010 the package is expected to bring down the unemployment rate by between 0.7 percent and 1.8 percent.

And in contrast to Reagan's approval numbers, as Gallup released today, President Obama has hovered at just below or above 50% in a "high degree of stability" since November, while Reagan's had plummeted to 40% or below during the same period.

In addition, despite the talk of independents and his base leaving him in droves:

Posted by: dove369 | February 28, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

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