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McCain ad ties J.D. Hayworth to birthers (Video)

By Rachel Weiner
In a Web ad, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is lumping his conservative primary opponent in with conspiracy theorists who doubt the president's citizenship.

"These are serious economic times," the ad begins, "yet some are consumed by conspiracies."

Clips of former Rep. J.D. Hayworth questioning Obama's birthplace are juxtaposed with rants from infamous "birthers" Orly Taitz and Philip Berg. "The only difference between these people?" the narrator asks. "Only one is running for the U.S. Senate."

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What is worse a "truther" or a "birther"? That is part of the Saul Alinsky smoke and mirrors, ridicule, & dismiss tactic to link those two descriptions so that they are so taboo no one will further question anything for fear of the mockery.
The truther theories/conspiracy are like the Kennedy assassination plot theories...both of these conspiracies have had numerous Congressional hearings and debates that debunk most of the evidence involved. I don't think that being a truther makes anyone anymore crazy than Oliver Stone or even Al Gore and his Global Warming theories. Because there is always something that stirs their curiosity and until everything satisfies them they will still keep searching and maybe it is a distrust of whoever was in office at the time that they just did not trust. To make anyone believe they are ready to prepare for a UFO landing is in itself outrageous and I doubt that Michael Moore will be leading anyone up to a rooftop watch any time soon. There is still probably 30% of Americans that still think Bush "stole" the election. I for one loved Bush and still believe there were WMD's in Iraq that got taken out before we went in. People that didn't love Bush are always going to want to cling to whatever conspiracy ideology they have.
I like Michelle Obama and I trust that Barrack Obama is a nice person with very far left ideology and if you follow trending and possibly agendas in his books, and associations and voting history..well you just might see things that at least should cause pause to consider IF YOU LIKE AMERICA THEY WAY IT HAS BEEN SINCE IT WAS FOUNDED AS A NATION AND YOU JUST MIGHT QUESTION IF "HIS FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING AMERICA" COULD MEAN HIS FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING OUR CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICA WE NOW KNOW. For a fact he is saying things that give hint: "I had rather be a great one term President". He will not be able to run in 2012 in Arizona and other states without producing bona fide long form birth certificate so he may know that he has to thrust America into a one world money system before 2012 at which time he will be set up as leader of the world. Already in the Black History Ads running it doesn't show President of the US..it says "Leader of the World"...So I ask: If this comes to past will you have been part of what brought this on?

Posted by: ParkerRules | February 26, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Orly Taitz has proof that the person who signed off on Obama's eligibility just took his word that he was a citizen of the US, never provided any proof as such.
As for the stupid assumption that Obama's mother had to be a psychic & know one day he would be President..No it just meant that Obama's grandmother would need some record of citizenship to get the baby shots, put him in school etc. All it took was filling out a blank form and sending it into the state and the grandmother calling it into the newspaper which did not show up for 2 weeks after the birth. PI's went to the address listed in that newspaper and no such person ever lived there.
IT ISN'T CONSPIRACY FOR THE PPL OF AMERICA TO SEE A CONSTITUTIONAL LAW BEING OVERLOOKED, CALL IT INTO QUESTION, AND THE RIGHTS OF THE PPL WHO QUESTION ALL THE SPURIOUS FACTS TO DEMAND TO SEE THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE DUE TO THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT.
But if they mock and ridicule Joe the Plumber for asking a question outside his own home...Well, that's what they have done here to a larger degree. If birthers are like believing Elvis is still alive...I will tell you that "believing without bona fide proof" that Obama meets the Natural Born Status is accepting spurious proof that Elvis is alive.
OUR LAWMAKERS OWE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE A CONGRESSIONAL/AND OR SUPREME COURT RULING ON THE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW OF 'NATURAL BORN' STATUS REQUIREMENT...His Father was a British subject and America cannot claim a British subject's child born on American soil or any other soil. The father has primary claim to the child not the mother. America granted citizenship via the mother for the sake of partaking of citizen's rights to schools, and public services...but citizenship is weak and dismissive to qualify AS NATURAL BORN FOR THE REQUIREMENT AS POTUS.

Posted by: ParkerRules | February 26, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

HERE IS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE MATTER:
The Constitution states that any citizen can run for any office in the land EXCEPT THE POTUS..Only the POTUS must be a NATURAL BORN citizen. For years and for various and sundry reasons many Bills have been brought before Congress to amend and challenge the NATURAL BORN status. Committees to study if it could be changed has been debated from the beginning resulting in NONE BEING ABLE TO BE MADE LAW...NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAS BEEN ABLE TO CHANGE THIS LAW. The 14th Amendment did do a lot to make any human born on American soil an automatic citizen...But is moot on the NATURAL BORN STATUS FOR THE POTUS.
McCain's Natural Born Status was brought into question and he provided his long form BC which proved the primary conveyor of American citizenship is via the father who was stationed on US Military base with no other government that can claim children born of that father while he is on that soil in execution of his duties to America.
Our Constitution knew to respect the laws of other countries that England could claim that our President was a subject to the crown. So after the Declaration of Independence to ensure that the leader of our country would have no other allegiance all Presidents thereafter must be born of TWO AMERICAN CITIZENS TO BE NATURAL BORN AND NO CONFLICTING ALLEGIANCE TO ANY OTHER COUNTRY. NOTHING HAS EVER CHANGED OR AMENDED THAT REQUIREMENT.

Posted by: ParkerRules | February 26, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2: What's the update on Orly's deadline date of today Feb 26th?

Also do you know where this BC came from?
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r14/missnry/SeptBirthCertificateLarge.jpg
The person that posted it says that they found it on the web and does not know what vetting if any was done to it?
I was a BC hospital clerk in 1971 and this really looks like a ribbon form.
FYI: To those that believe in the BC as posted on FactCheck.com ..That one proved to be a forgery done with photoshop:
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12939.htm
The first person to question Obama's birth that I know of was Alan Keyes (a black man) that accused Obama as not being a citizen of America ..to which Obama said "Well, I'm not running for POTUS" Whatever information Keyes had at the time was then brought into question by the Hillary campaign ...with loads of PI's etc. that have proof that I am sure was turned over to Phillip Berg ...but all along the line each step of the way the Democratic Obama Machine was there to seal records, threaten judges, etc. Just mock and ridicule anyone even questioning there poor examples of proof of evidence that he did indeed meet the eligibility requirements. SC Justices have said they will hear the cases but they cannot get them out of the lower courts to be ruled on.

Posted by: ParkerRules | February 26, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

If McCain weren't such a DUMMY, he'd have challenged Obummer's birth certificate long ago. His probable reason for not challenging it is that McCain is PART of the FASCIST group that wants the CEOs to take over the world (as opposed to the fascists who want big government to take over the world and the Constitutional/Tea Party/Libertarian view that PEOPLE ought to have rights and ought to run the world).

Posted by: stevor | February 25, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Keep in mind that it's not just "birthers" who want to see the LONG FORM birth certificate:

PHOENIX (AP) — Nearly half of the Arizona Legislature wants to force President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate to state officials if he runs for re-election. A state House committee on Tuesday approved the measure sponsored by 40 of the state's 90 legislators

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 25, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM

     [§338-17.8]  Certificates for children born out of State. 

(a)  Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

     (b)  Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate.  The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

     (c)  The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 25, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

(boxes 19a and 23)

Any lurkers out there should realize that out-of-State births WERE allowed to be registered in Honolulu at the time. If any other questions come up, I will do my best to respond, but always keep in mind: why won't Obama simply consent to the release?

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 25, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

For anyone honestly interested in what the LONG FORM birth certificate from Hawaii would look like (note the spaces for doctor's signature and reason(s) for delay in registering birth):

http://i519.photobucket.com/albums/u358/zczc3185/Birth_cert_coats_7c.jpg

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 25, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Remember the Maine! Or was it the boiler?

Posted by: katman13

It was:

"Everyone remember where we parked the car."

Thank goodness we have our remotes now so we can make the car honk when we need to.

Posted by: James10 | February 25, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

As for Philip Berg, does it matter to no one that he is a registered DEMOCRAT and was the State Attorney General. It's not just all kooks who demand to see proof of where Obama was born.

P.S. to Viewpoint2: no one ever questioned President Bush's birthplace (see the difference?).

Posted by: JakeD2

Actually, I thought I read he re-registered as an independent. But to answer your question it doesn't make any difference that he is [or was] a Democrat and Attorney General.

He was trying to scam the families of 9/11 victims for a while.

None of that disqualifies him as a kook. But he doesn't have to be a kook if he's getting a nice income stream from it.

Keep those checks and letters coming!

Obama was born in Hawii. For those that believe otherwise, you have one heck of a conspiracy going. The entire SCOTUS, the Governor of Hawaii, the Head of Vital Records in Hawaii, and the Hawaiin paper that printed his birth announcement. No way could his grandparents anticipated that he was going to run for President. The newspaper must be forging an old newspaper item as part of the operation. And that's for starters. All the documentation from around the world that Berg claims are forgeries. It's an international conspiracy of biblical proportions [Though you would like the Bible reference. :o)]

BTW. Berg is darn annoyed at the woman in CA [dentist and lawyer] who is making similar claims. She's cutting into his income stream.

The only thing I can suggest JakeD2 is you need to make another donation to Philip Berg.

http://obamacrimes.com/

He takes all major credit cards. Mastercard, Visa, Discover, American Express, and PayPal.

I have no doubt he'll put your money to good use.

Since you're creating clever questions. How about this one. Does it make any difference to anyone that Philip Berg and Bernie Madoff are both Jewish.

Posted by: James10 | February 25, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, which, right or wrong, was legally recognized in the U.S. as a U.S. territory. It certainly is a big conspiracy re Obama's birth. Hawaii state officials, Republican and Democrat, say the only certificates they have for anyone are the type Obama has produced (has anyone proved otherwise?). His grandparents were also in on the conapiracy: taking out a birth announcement in a local Honolulu paper decades ago, knowing that Barak would someday run for Prez. Face it, the birthers wouldn't give a rat's behind about this if they didn't disagree with Obama's politics.

Posted by: Sutter | February 25, 2010 5:38 AM | Report abuse

As,an Arizona Independent Voter,I will tell
you right now that RINO Amnesty John McCain
will not get my vote in 2010 and I say hey
McCain just retire as your toast this time.
Whether the McCain Lovers of Liberal Press
want to accept the reality of it,but it was
Amnesty John McCain being a Co-Sponsor of
the Teddy Kennedy and John McCain Illegal
Alien Amnesty Bill and Amnesty John McCain
endless pandering to LaRaz that doomed his
chances of being elected President and damn
sure turn a lot of Arizona people off on
Amnesty John McCain permanently. No to McCain and I wish to God he just fades away

Posted by: carleen09 | February 25, 2010 4:44 AM | Report abuse

McCain was born in Panama.

Posted by: AlanGoldberg54 | February 25, 2010 3:09 AM | Report abuse

McCain was born in Panama. This might explain why he's not fond of birthers.

Posted by: AlanGoldberg54 | February 25, 2010 3:07 AM | Report abuse

...so basically the fbi, cia, secret service and the great American investigative machine was inept in their due dilligence of President Obama? Or perhaps they are involved in the conspiracy? Maybe his certificate is in the same place with Michelle's famed 'whitey' video...

Posted by: TraderX | February 25, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

I love birthers! They are full-blown lunatics! As a loyal Democrat, birthers are the best thing ever for the Democratic party. Even sane Republicans know better. But if the birthers take over...Republicans may never get elected again. Go birthers go! Buy more guns, the apocalypse will be here any second!

Posted by: KidTJ | February 25, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

As for Philip Berg, does it matter to no one that he is a registered DEMOCRAT and was the State Attorney General. It's not just all kooks who demand to see proof of where Obama was born.

P.S. to Viewpoint2: no one ever questioned President Bush's birthplace (see the difference?).

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade:

You complain about my "selective quotation" yet when I explain why the deleted portion is irrelevant, you dismiss that as "a sad case? Whatever.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

No (that would be Chris Fox ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2, still being a c0ck sucking fagg0t I see...

Posted by: bendan2000 | February 24, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

John McCain did not exactly show the highest level of character when he failed to support ending don't ask, don't tell when the military leaders came to him to say the policy was outdated.

Posted by: Viewpoint2 | February 24, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Did George W. Bush prove he was a natural born American?

Posted by: Viewpoint2 | February 24, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: nikejordans1 | February 24, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Such a sad case...

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 24, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

ravensfan20008:

What's worse? A "birther" or a "truther"?

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

At least he's not a birther himself. Or he is and he's just a hypocrite. Neither would surprise me.

Posted by: ravensfan20008 | February 24, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade:

Obama's mother was UNDER 19 when he was born. That was the important part. I didn't include "on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required" because Obama being born after 1986 would disqualify him.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I'll give you props, Jake, for including the link, though you lose half of them for selective quotation. Here's the full section:

"Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child."

So, the only question is if Stanley Ann Dunham qualifies under this law. Dunham was born in Kansas and spent her childhood in California, Oklahoma, Texas and Kansas and her teenage years in Mercer Island, Washington. In other words, Barack's mother is an established U.S. citizen and even if one were to grant the absurdity of the conspiracy theorists, he's still a U.S. citizen.

Being married to a U.S. citizen born abroad to one U.S. citizen and a non-citizen, I can assure you that anyone questioning the citizenship of President Obama is full of carp. Not that facts will get in the way of birthers.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 24, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh okay but Amnesty John McCain the RINO is
still not going to get my vote,as a Registered Independent Voter in Arizona.
It's Time Amnesty John McCain RETIRE!

Posted by: carleen09 | February 24, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

EastCoastinLA:

I am not a racists, bigots, hypocrite, or Republican. Do you have a different label to dismiss my points without any critical thinking?

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Finally, the real John McCain stands up again. Thank god, he has chosen, at least on this occassion, to distance himself from the far right fanatics, racists, bigots, and hypocrits that populate his party. I usualy disagree with McCain, but once upon a time, he was known as his own man,,, maybe now that he sees that his own party will eat him alive, he has re-found his honor and act on it.

Posted by: EastCoastnLA | February 24, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Remember the Maine! Or was it the boiler?

Posted by: katman13 | February 24, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm not here to convince you of anything.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

The birthers have no where to go and no one to listen. Hence, we find them trying to convince virtual strangers of their conspiracy.. 'if only he would show this or that'. Their friends and family just nod their heads then wonder about their sanity. Now, politicians don't even want their votes. They can't let go of their conspiracy while the rest of the world moves forward.

Posted by: 12345leavemealone | February 24, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock:

For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

For anyone unfamiliar with the law in this regard:

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Gowllllleeee! Wha inaboddie kin see that Obama ain't a natural born Amurkin. Look at 'em - he's got a black skin! And what kind a name is Ba-rack O'bama? I did n grew up in no nayborhood with no body name Ba-rack! Shoot. Got to go now, late for ma Tea Party rallee,

Posted by: tmodelford | February 24, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

wpjunk:

A "truther" is worse, because there's no possible way our inept government could have kept that secret. We "birthers" know that only Obama's mom had to keep that secret.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see more Mexicans and Central/South Americans want to become US Citizens.

We NEED Christians to offset the indigenous Muslim birth rate, which, is currently exceeding that of the US native Christians which could ultimately lead to a Muslim majority and, we can't have that.

Besides, a stinking Moslem is a victim of the Islamic lie that Islam is a religion. It is not. It is a stinking murder cult and nothing more.

Posted by: wpjunk | February 24, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

What's worse, a 'birther'....or, a 'truther', a person who believes it was the Government of the U.S. that caused '911'.

That's what Van Jones believes, in addition to being a stinking Commie, and he is one of Obumbler's most cherished White House employees and supporters.

Though exposed and 'dethroned' by Glen Beck, Jones is still near the 'Present'dent and the DeamonRAT Party.

Posted by: wpjunk | February 24, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

lindalovejones:

Why do you think that the FBI, CIA or the Secret Service have seen Obama's LONG FORM birth certificate?

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

JoeT1:

I just said that I wouldn't bring up the issue again if I simply saw the LONG FORM birth certificate. If that would satisfy even just half of us "birthers" why not do it? Doesn't he owe it to history?

sarlat and swatkins1:

Obama's mother was underage at the time.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

TO: whoever wrote:
“The question is not settled. This is not the responsibility of Congress. It is a constitutional question. IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SUPREME COURT.”
+++++

Sounds like the wackos need to take their case to the Supreme Court, but if nothing so far has convinced you that President Obama IS a citizen of the United States, then after the Supreme Court tells you he’s is, you’ll probably claim THAT’S a conspiracy too.

Wacko.

Nutso.

Psycho.

Posted by: lindalovejones | February 24, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse


TO: whoever wrote:
“The question is not settled. This is not the responsibility of Congress. It is a constitutional question. IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SUPREME COURT.”
+++++

Sounds like the wackos need to take their case to the Supreme Court, but if nothing so far has convinced you that President Obama IS a citizen of the United States, then after the Supreme Court tell you he’s is, you’ll probably claim THAT’S a conspiracy too.

Wacko.

Nutso.

Psycho.

Posted by: lindalovejones | February 24, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I always did like John McCain, and I even voted for him in the primaries when he ran against Bush. Most of the time, McCain is a fun and reasonable man.

TO: 37thand0street who wrote:
“THERE ARE DOCUMENTS IN A SEALED FILE IN HAWAII. RELEASE THE FILE AND BE DONE WITH IT.
and what was up with traveling to Pakistan in the early 80s ???
DID OBAMA EVER HAVE A PASSPORT FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY ???
THESE QUESTIONS SHOULD BE ANSWERED.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO HAVE THIS SETTLED.
++++

It is and has been “settled,” it’s just the wackos who need to take their medication, again.

How could you possibly, reasonably believe that you should be more privy to the President’s documents than the FBI, CIA or the Secret Service.

Did you ever see George W. Bush’s or any other President’s “sealed file”.

NO.

If there is anything at all that needs to be proven about our President, it has already been done and with the proper authorities, and NOT the nut cases.

Psycho.


Posted by: lindalovejones | February 24, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Poor guy has been reduced to running as the "Not a Nut Case" candidate.

Posted by: Clamlydia | February 24, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

THERE ARE DOCUMENTS IN A SEALED FILE IN HAWAII. RELEASE THE FILE AND BE DONE WITH IT.

and what was up with traveling to Pakistan in the early 80s ???

DID OBAMA EVER HAVE A PASSPORT FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY ???

THESE QUESTIONS SHOULD BE ANSWERED.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO HAVE THIS SETTLED.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 24, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

whatever else McCain did during the campaign, he not only corrected the lady who said he was an Arab, he also specifically said he was born in HI and was eligible to serve as President.

Posted by: JoeT1 | February 24, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

McCain, Clinton, the RNC, hell, anyone who thought there was any basis for challenging Obama's citizenship would have done it if they thought there was a shred of evidence.

the "long formers" are just a misguided subset of the birthers. the so called short certificat of live birth is a birth certificate that certifies that someone was born in the jurisdiction issuing the certificate. the secretary of state of HI says so, and that's his job. it's no less official than whatever is being referred to as a long form. Obama hasn't produced anything else because these folks wouldn't accept a home movie of his birth out the hospital window with Pearl Harbor in the background, so why bother?

Posted by: JoeT1 | February 24, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Okay, lets get something straight, if either of your parents are U.S. citizens, then regardless of where you are born your are a U.S. citizen.

None of the "Birthers" have ever questioned the birth certificate of Obama's mother. Therefore, even if he were born in Kenya, he would be a U.S. citizen and eligible to be President of the U.S.

This is know as "jus sangre" as opposed to "jus terre", or by blood as opposed to by place of birth.

Posted by: sarlat | February 24, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

bigbaubdi wrote:
How many people had grandparents who didn't have passports coming through Ellis Island? In many cases, all you needed to do was identify yourself and a relative or friend who could vouch for you, and voila, you are an American!

How many of these people would have been called "illegals" by people like Hayworth? Imagine how impoverished our nation would be if we prevented immigrants from Ireland and Eastern Europe from entering the United States in the late 1800s/early 1900s.

-------------------
-------------------

Exactly. But they were white people. Hayworth and his constituency are upset because the people coming into the United States now are brown skinned, and that they are not allowed anymore to own them as property.

Posted by: swatkins1 | February 24, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

McCain had no problem at all telling bald faced lies during the last presidential campaign. None, except for the one time at a rally, a woman said "Obama is a terrorist", or something like that. McCain threw up a little in his mouth then, realizing..finally...the calibre of the constituency he and his running mate Palin were attracting. But McCain has no problem with saying whatever he needs to say to maintain his position.

Posted by: swatkins1 | February 24, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

RWLA:

Good thing that McCain wasn't elected then, huh?

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

"... even if Obama was born in Kenya, I don't believe we'd block him ..."

Yeah, who cares what the law says anymore?

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Finally, the real John McCain stands up again. Thank god, he has chosen, at least on this occassion, to distance himself from the far right fanatics, racists, bigots, and hypocrits that populate his party. I usualy disagree with McCain, but once upon a time, he was known as his own man,,, maybe now that he sees that his own party will eat him alive, he has re-found his honor and act on it.

Posted by: EastCoastnLA | February 24, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

chicoandtheman2001 - "No, there's not. Congress settled it."

The question is not settled. This is not the responsibility of Congress. It is a constitutional question. IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SUPREME COURT.

Let's take BOTH John McCain's and President Obama's citizenship to the Supreme Court. See what happens.

Posted by: RWLA | February 24, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

"There's still a question of whether Senator John McCain is a "natural-born" citizen or a "naturalized" citizen."

No, there's not. Congress settled it. Likewise, even if Obama was born in Kenya, I don't believe we'd block him based on his mother being old enough for citizenship. So even his grandmother saying she remembers his birth wouldn't matter.

It is odd that Obama can't name one hospital as the exact site and that he won't release the long-form certificate (what we've seen is a certificate of live-birth. Even the worse kooks don't deny he was born alive.)

Whatever the reason, he's clearly a citizen. I wish he'd fought that guy who sued to get out of the army based on Obama supposedly not being a citizen. Maybe he's just screwing with these conspiracy people like the deniers of the 9/11 holocaust, which I have to say would be pretty sweet.

I'm more interested in seeing his medical and college records, but it is odd he wouldn't just pump out the long-form certificate and just flood the zone with papers. I know many of the crazies would say it's forged, but, still.

Posted by: chicoandtheman2001 | February 24, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse


One of those mother-in-law going over a cliff in your new cadillac stories.

More McCain anywhere is unbearable to contemplate...JDH is one of the true slugs
of the world.

Posted by: whistling | February 24, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Since Obama has never actually answered the questions posed to him with actual evidence, and Obama has spent several million dollars throwing up road blocks to the legal challenges, and obscuring the facts of a situation that could be resolved very easily if he would simply publicize the documents in question, we have to wonder, how is asking the same questions bad for Hayworth? The only people standing my Obama on this are the Obamabots who won't like Hayworth anyway. Questioning Obama is nothing new and is something that only Obamas having biased judges and a Congress from his own party giving him cover, allows him to dodge the questions. As far as many in this nation are concered, Obama is still little more than a "pretender" to the Oval Office and not a real President.

Posted by: jonweiss1 | February 24, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

pjjacobs: Like I said, you just aren't smart enough to understand my point. I'm not asking BHO to prove anything. I'm saying that he hasn't provided definitive proof, and those who say he has are lying. Once again: ask someone smarter to explain that to you.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | February 24, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

RWLA:

Good thing that McCain wasn't elected then, huh?

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

There's still a question of whether Senator John McCain is a "natural-born" citizen or a "naturalized" citizen. John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 where his parents were stationed. The question, not truly tested, was whether the circumstances of his birth met the constitutional requirement. It was a question, going back to the 2000 campaign, and again in 2008, that even his staff - with the help of Former Solicitor General Theodore B. Olsen - had to grapple with and finally prepare a lengthy report.

AND

At the behest of Missouri DEMOCRATIC Sen. Claire McCaskill, The U.S. Senate gave "unanimous consent" to Senator McCain's citizenship and, therefore, his right to run for president. (S. Res. 511: A resolution recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.)

Posted by: RWLA | February 24, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

owyhee:

Maybe (did your paternal grandmother ever state that you were born in what is Kenya today?)

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Fascinating ad. Thank goodness for Republicans like McCain who are willing to fight to keep their party sane. Now if only he hadn't picked Palin...

Posted by: jeffwacker | February 24, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Have all the various agencies that have required proof of my U.S. citizenship been in error all these years?

Yes. Now please leave the country and get back to wherever it was you came from.

Posted by: JakeD3 | February 24, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I've only ever seen a rather short version of my Hawaii birth certificate, in fact it's only 6.25" x 6". I'm not even aware of the existence of a long form. Nobody has had a problem accepting it as a valid proof that I was born a U.S. citizen in the State of Hawaii, however. Have all the various agencies that have required proof of my U.S. citizenship been in error all these years?

Posted by: owyhee | February 24, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

ClarkT:

So, if Hugo Chavez or Arnold Schwartzenegger (sp?) was elected President of the United States, the "conservative" thing to do would be don't say a word?

pjjacobs:

Care to answer the questions I actually asked you?

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Kind of funny that McCain, who ran as a moderate in 2000 when he thought that would help hinm, than as a conservative (he kept reminding voters in the primaries that he was, and then picked Palin to run with him) in 2008 when he thought that would help him, is now trying to dance to the center when he thinks that will help him. (All those damn immigrants should have done what we did: get born in the U.S. to U.S. citizens).

Posted by: Sutter | February 24, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

elizh1 and pjjacobs:

The burden of proof for QUO WARRANTO is actually on the purported elected official, look it up. I, for one, wouldn't bring the issue up again of Obama would consent to release of his long form birth certificate. Why do you think he hasn't done that?
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JakeD2: It is true that the elected official must present proof that they have the right to hold the office in question. It is also true that prior to that, the plaintiff must prove they have standing, must have presented a complaint that meets the minimal standards of of the Court, must be able to survivie a motion to dismiss or motion for summary judgment, etc. Simply denying or refusing to believe the evidence of birht in Hawaii, sworn filing forms, etc. of Pres. Obama is not sufficient to meet any of those standards.

Long before Pres. Obama has to prove anything, anyone bringing suit must have sufficient evidence to survive and that will not happen because there is no evidence suffcient or otherwise.

Posted by: pjjacobs | February 24, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I am far, far from an Obama supporter but find it remarkably appalling to question the legitimacy of our President. The Presidency is more than just a person; it is a symbol unlike any other in world history. John McCain's character and sense of leadership is far beyond the "endowed conservative" JD. Ask yourself, would Ronald Reagan question or diminish the U.S. presidency? No, the real conservative strays away from conspiracy and instead believes firmly in the cause that is America, the greatest living testament of humanity's hope. John McCain fought for this country, suffered for this country, loves this country, and serves this country with an open heart. If that isn't enough for you then I don't know what is to see the pettiness in this article. Being a conservative is more than just having a set of beliefs, it's living a life of honor and honesty.

Posted by: ClarkT | February 24, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"We now have something like 18 to 20 MILLION illegals in this country...."

So what? How many people had grandparents who didn't have passports coming through Ellis Island? In many cases, all you needed to do was identify yourself and a relative or friend who could vouch for you, and voila, you are an American!

How many of these people would have been called "illegals" by people like Hayworth? Imagine how impoverished our nation would be if we prevented immigrants from Ireland and Eastern Europe from entering the United States in the late 1800s/early 1900s.

Posted by: bigbaubdi | February 24, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

mcmitaly:

Obama's mother was underage at the time.

pjjacobs:

No one is talking about a CRIMINAL case (I certainly hope you do not actually work in the legal field).

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it takes being challenged in a primary campaign to make a Republican actually slap down the birthers and other wingnut whackos. Too bad Repubs haven't consistently responded similarly in denouncing the other egregious lies and distortions of the far right. Perhaps they'd have actual credibility with centrists like myself. Maybe they should, for example, tell the screamers what the REAL definitions of Marxism and socialism are (no, Marxism and socialism are not anything incrementally to the left of Rush's positions . . . .). Oh, I know, who wants to be accused of being a RINO?

So John McCain is showing some sense again. 'Bout time . . . Too bad we can't have a "do-over" on his vice presidential pick . . . .

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | February 24, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Well, just for giggles, let's presume that our President was actually born in Kenya. His mother is American (unless the birthers are going to next say she isn't his real Mom..). Wouldn't he then be entitled to a State Dept certificate for US citizen born abroad like my sister and two of my three kids have? Wouldn't he?

I voted for McCain, btw. Focus on the issues.

Posted by: mcmitaly | February 24, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

LonewackoDotCom

You clearly do not understand the law in the US. Innocent until proven guilty. Pres. Obama does not have to prove anything. Anyone who claims he has broken the law bears the burden of proof. Period. If you have evidence present it. That does not mean you simply deny everything, you have a positive burden of proof.

Prove it or drop it. Simple.

Posted by: pjjacobs | February 24, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

elizh1 and pjjacobs:

The burden of proof for QUO WARRANTO is actually on the purported elected official, look it up. I, for one, wouldn't bring the issue up again of Obama would consent to release of his long form birth certificate. Why do you think he hasn't done that?

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 24, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

At last! A topic on which I can post regarding BHO's birth certificate!

I'm so happy.

Posted by: JakeD3 | February 24, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

pjjacobs: You clearly aren't smart enough to understand my point. I don't have to prove anything more than that which I already have: those who claim that it's been proved where he was born - whether they claim Kenya or HI - are lying. Not because of where he was actually born, but because of the fact that where it was hasn't been proven. Ask a smarter person to explain that to you.

And, virtually everything beeker25 said that wasn't a quote of what I wrote is false or misleading:

1. That bill wasn't binding.
2. Even if it were, the question is where he was born, not what a decree says.
3. FactCheck has repeatedly lied about both this issue and other issues: http://24ahead.com/s/factcheck
4. FC even recompressed and removed the camera data from the pictures of the supposed cert they put on their site, and they did that without posting any sort of notice that they'd changed the pictures.
5. There was no law requiring notices to be printed, and those notices are not in any way definitive proof:

http://24ahead.com/n/9363

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | February 24, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

McCain, left to his own devices, can tell the truth in some veerry fascinating ways. This may be the start of a very interesting primary season should the T-People seriously try to take the republican Party for their own.

Posted by: ceflynline | February 24, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

There was a bill recognizing entry of Hawaii as a state that included recognizing Obama being born there and a U.S. citizen and many Republicans voted for it. I think that would be proof enough. Lastly I hope Orly Taitz and her cohorts get fined $20,000 for her frivolous legal challenges.

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Posted by: LonewackoDotCom

If you bother to check with Factcheck.com on the birth certificate issue, it is found to be accurate and they also stated the newspaper printed the birth of Obama two times as required by law. Even then he provided proof, still they would not believe it..
Besides that you are stretching the issue to keep it alive just like the conspiracy nuts do...

Posted by: beeker25 | February 24, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

The evidence that BHO is correct about his birthplace isn't definitive. That doesn't mean things aren't as he describes, it just means that he hasn't provided definitive proof. A lot of people get tripped up over the distinction between those two, and a lot of others try to confuse people over the difference.

Simply saying that we don't know for certain is, in fact, the opposite of those who say they know for certain whether those who say it's Kenya or those like Rachel Weiner and the rest of the MSM who says it's been proven when in fact it hasn't been.
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Let's be blunt. Pres Obama has been judged a U.S citzen by the people, the Congress, the Supreme Court all of whom could have refused to allow him to take office if they had evidence to the contrary. You and other who claim otherwise have an obligation as citizens of the U.S. to bring your claims to court and prove them - you have to prove them - PERIOD. A man is innocent until proven guilty in this country. Remember the Constitution? If you have evidence do something with if you do not stop tossing around baseless charges.

Posted by: pjjacobs | February 24, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

McCain needs to go on the floor of the senate and say flat-out that the President is a U.S. citizen, born lawfully in the U.S. state of Hawaii.

Posted by: jckdoors | February 24, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Hayworth and the other birthers wouldn't believe Obama was American if they themselves had delivered him, but I really don't get the point of this ad. Will this really resonate with primary voters?

Posted by: Left_of_the_Pyle | February 24, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow talk about the chickens coming home to roost! McCain and company essentially created the birther movement through the irresponsible fear tactics employed during his presidential campaign.

Posted by: ozpunk | February 24, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

And Fox News incites the tea baggers to burn John McCain in effigy in 5.. 4.. 3..

Posted by: nullconnect | February 24, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I agree that a fairer ad would say "why does this guy condone wasting time on the birth 'issue' when he should be working on real issues?"

Posted by: elizh1 | February 24, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain has lost ALL credibility. Since he refuses to retire, his constituency will FORCE him to retire.

This challenge is about McCain's support (and encouragement) of amnesty for illegal aliens... people who have no respect for our established laws because they broke them crossing our border in the first place. Amnesty was given to millions of illegal aliens during the Reagan presidency, with all the politicians saying this would end illegal immigration. Yet the flow has continued, unabated, since the 1980s. We now have something like 18 to 20 MILLION illegals in this country... and our laws are still not being enforced by the people we've elected to lead us. Instead of closing our borders and prosecuting the American citizens who hire illegal aliens, McCain and his ilk want to encourage MORE to invade our country. This is unconscionable... and is just one reason why I'm sending money to JD's campaign. And I'm a Democrat!

Posted by: doom_of_cthulhu | February 24, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

There is no legal basis for a challenge. The McCain presidential campaign looked into the birth issue. You BET they would have derailed BHO if they could! McCain is speaking from experience here.

Posted by: elizh1 | February 24, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"These are serious economic times!" Who knew? Thanks for the update, John. If you had figured that out two years ago, you might be President.

Posted by: fmjk | February 24, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

The evidence that BHO is correct about his birthplace isn't definitive. That doesn't mean things aren't as he describes, it just means that he hasn't provided definitive proof. A lot of people get tripped up over the distinction between those two, and a lot of others try to confuse people over the difference.

Simply saying that we don't know for certain is, in fact, the opposite of those who say they know for certain whether those who say it's Kenya or those like Rachel Weiner and the rest of the MSM who says it's been proven when in fact it hasn't been.

If you're a Hayworth fan, read this through and look at the links in the post to understand how to strike back:

http://24ahead.com/n/9350

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | February 24, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

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