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Obama offers alternative path on health care

By Shailagh Murray
President Obama sketched out an alternative approach to passing health-care legislation that would enlist Republicans and potentially extend the congressional debate for months, but in an open forum that would allow the public to watch the process unfold.
    
Speaking to members of the Democratic National Committee Thursday night, Obama vowed to continue his quest to overhaul the nation's health-care system, to curb rising costs and extend coverage to millions of families and individuals who don't have it. Democrats spent most of 2009 crafting comprehensive bills and had seemed on the verge of reaching consensus on final legislation when the party lost its filibuster-proof Senate supermajority in last month's Massachusetts special election.
   
Many moderate Democrats would just as soon shelve health-care reform for the time being, given how voters have soured on the current legislation, but liberals are just as determined to press ahead. Even as Obama reassured DNC members that he wouldn't let up, he did suggest taking a different path than the partisan, behind-closed-doors dealmaking that has marked the process in recent months.
    
"What I'd like to do is have a meeting whereby I'm sitting with the Republicans, sitting with the Democrats, sitting with health care experts, and let's just go through these bills -- their ideas, our ideas -- let's walk through them in a methodical way so that the American people can see and compare what makes the most sense," Obama said.
    
That sounds more akin to the live C-SPAN sessions that Obama promised as a candidate than the current backroom negotiations between Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.). The two Democratic leaders are struggling to modify the Senate version of the bill using special budget rules that would allow fixes to clear the Senate on a simple majority vote, clearing the way for a House vote on a revised Senate bill.

Even if Reid and Pelosi do manage to come to terms -- a prospect that appears less and less likely with every passing day -- their unusual strategy would surely draw howls of protest from Republicans and potentially alienate independent voters.

For Obama, the bet is that once voters are able to compare Democratic and Republican health-care proposals, they will view Democratic ideas more favorably. The president told DNC members he was in no hurry to wrap up the debate, despite the looming midterm elections.

"I think we should be very deliberate, take our time," Obama said. "We're going to be moving a jobs package forward over the next several weeks; that's the thing that's most urgent right now in the minds of Americans all across the country. And that will allow everybody to get the real facts, both about the health-care crisis that we face -- why it's so important for deficit reduction, why it's so important for families all across the country. It allows us to see, 'Are there, in fact, some better ideas out there?'"

But Obama added, "The key is to not let the moment slip away."

Is Obama's open forum idea a good one? Let us know what you think.

By Web Politics Editor  |  February 5, 2010; 12:54 PM ET
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Comments

'Come into the Blair House', said, the spider to the fly.
There is enough to go around.

Posted by: RayOne | February 8, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Someone please call my President and tell him we are not against his healthcare takeover because we don't understand it. We The People fully understand his healthcare takeover and we don't want any part of it. As for November, I don't plan to vote for ANY incumbants.

Posted by: ProfessorPooky | February 6, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

The March in Washington for single payer March5,6 and 7...Get behind it! Check it out.
http://www.healthcare-now.org/takeaction/events-calendar/

Posted by: blosmurph | February 6, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

If that bill is not crystal clear and reads more than 25 pages fling it into the loo.

Posted by: mdsubramonia | February 5, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

American people are clueless when it comes to the health care system we use. It is an expensive for profit system that does not provide for everyone, with the 25% of the total paid by individuals and 75% paid by the government. 1.6 trillion is the number used for total cost. Medicare/medicaid is a trillion a year, another 200 billion paid to insure government workers and VA costs. The medicare/medicaid program by itself has 10% fraud and waste, 100 billion a year. Tort settlements may only be 1 1/2% of the total but doctors extra testing to protect their practice from lawyers add another 5%. Insurers add'l cost vs single payer is another 100 billion. Pharma charging more to us than the rest of the world another 125 billion. Limiting profit by providers to 10% another 25 billion. Do the math 100 billion medicare/medicaid, 50 billion for tort, 100 billion for insurers, 125 billion from pharma, 25 billion from providers, we can reduce costs by 400 billion with a strong bill. Keep both funding streams, even without the tax on cadillac plans (no insurers) would make medicare solvent. Adding a surcharge to imports to cover the costs of foreign nationals, legal or not would recoup that cost. In fact sending illegals back to the home country after costing their governments the import fee would have them receive draconian punishment ending illegal immigration.

Posted by: jameschirico | February 5, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

too early to be calling 2012.the republicans as of today have no one to run against obama. maybe someone will show up by this time next year but it had better be a heavy weight.take a good look at the electoral vote state by state.it will be a challenge.

Posted by: donaldtucker | February 5, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

To the buffoons on the right who continue to fear a government option, get your facts straight...the government plan called MEDICARE is a plan that no senior in his / her right mind would EVER give up. If government takeover of health care is so bad, why don't you ask a senior wants to give up social security or medicare and I think you'd get a resounding NO.

If you think an expansion of medicare is "bad" for Americans, you are obviously consumed with GREED and deserve to be kicked out of the country for your selfishness.

So, to you idiots, like "screwjob"...SCREW YOU.

Posted by: jsmith33351 | February 5, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

To the buffoons on the right who continue to fear a government option, get your facts straight...the government plan called MEDICARE is a plan that no senior in his / her right mind would EVER give up. If government takeover of health care is so bad, why don't you ask a senior wants to give up social security or medicare and I think you'd get a resounding NO.

So, you idiots, like "screwjob"...SCREW YOU.

Posted by: jsmith33351 | February 5, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

asmith1 WROTE: "You're absolutely right. And, as soon as Congress reverses or modifies birthright citizenship and cuts off ALL tax-funded benefits and services to illegal aliens (including free health care) - like they do in the rest of the world - THEN, and only then can we build a health care reform plan for American CITIZENS that might actually work.

As long as citizens are expected to carry millions of illegal aliens and their illegitimate children, with no end in sight, health care costs will continue to rise.

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I have to agree with you completely. The USA can no longer be the savior for the world. Starting with ending unearned income credit for unwed mothers that refuse to go after the daddies for support.(Rewarding bad choices) You play ..YOU PAY!!! Not the rest of us. Time for our own irresponsible to look to their own families not the rest of America to raise their children. Sorry but it is time to grow up. Play adult... you Pay adult. One bit of advise for the boys....Free rides are coming to an end. Better cover up or zip up. Tax payers are FED UP!!! My kids(born legitimately) Can't finish college (because of funding) while we have to pay over and over for others irresponsible choices. Time for a definite change. The illegals should look for a new border to cross.....
Land of the free does not mean....Land of the freebies ....for much longer.

Posted by: Intuition1010 | February 5, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

At least when Sarah Palin decided to quit being Governor of Alaska, she had the decency to resign rather than continue to soak the taxpayers for her salary through the end of her term. Obama is quitting on the liberals, left-leaning independents and naive young people who voted him into office...but he will keep taking our money and jet-setting around on Air Force 1 until they drag him kicking and screaming out of the oval office on inaugeration day in 2013.

Posted by: JCM-51 | February 5, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

There's no way in the world that a single Republican in Congress is going to support any health care reform idea that anyone on this earth could devise.President Obama knows this, and any plans along the lines of what he's proposing here can only be about trying to position the Democrats as best he can for the coming election.Getting an actual health care reform bill passed this way is a pipe dream!

Unless Democrats in the House are willing to pass the Senate bill as it reads now (and perhaps attempt to modify it somewhat using reconsiliation)the game is over- this run at health care reform is dead & buried!Maybe there can be another try at passing reform in 10-15 years, but the cost of such a delay (both in human & monetary terms)will be huge.I strongly suspect that most of us will never see health care reform in our lifetime.

Posted by: wma2 | February 5, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Tens of thousands of people are dying every year because of lack of health insurance.

WHY DON'T YOU CARE?

Posted by: jimcarr206 | February 5, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama obviously would be in a hurry to pass a health care bill if he was up for reelection this year, especially if he was behind in the polls. However, as with Clinton, his staying in power is more important to him than how many Democrats win or keep seats in Congress in any election.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | February 5, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama obviously would be in a hurry to pass a health care bill if he was up for reelection this year, especially if he was behind in the polls. However, as with Clinton, his staying in power is more important to him than how many Democrats win or keep seats in Congress in any election.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | February 5, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Even Barry's pitch to the New Hampshire voters earlier this week fell flat. Quote:

DURHAM, N.H. -- A new poll shows that President Barack Obama's approval rating in New Hampshire has dropped nearly 20 points.

The WMUR/Granite State Poll shows that Obama's those who approve of how he is doing dropped from 66 percent in February 2009 to 48 percent now.

"They have dropped faster than any president since public opinion polling has been conducted in the course of his first year," said pollster Andy Smith of the University of New Hampshire Survey Center, which conducted the poll.

Those who disapprove of the job the president is doing has more than doubled, going from 21 percent last year to 47 percent now.

Posted by: screwjob2 | February 5, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

"THIS !!!" is the CHANGE that Barry wants..........


........and this is what the majority of U.S. Citizens/Taxpayers/Voters want - "NO!!!"


The Party of "NO" and the Party of "DON'T KNOW".................what a choice we have !!!

WE just report the news, YOU decide !!!

Posted by: thgirbla | February 5, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Max B., Harry R. and the President screwed this pooch so badly that it will be a marvel if it survives. Baucus took too long and let the Republicans run over him in the Senate Finance Committee, ending up with a worthless bill. Reid, did nothing to force Senators to get behind a program, offer reasonable approaches to iron out differences, pandered to at least two senators to buy votes, and in the end, we got a bill so weak that it can't stand up in a basket. The President let the entire debate get away from single payer, and the public option, let the special interests in the Republican realm muck the whole thing up, let the wing nuts rant all summer about death panels and pulling the plug on Grandma, while claiming that he was neither a citizen nor anything but a socialist. For a party with a super majority, the Dems have let me down. This one will go the way of the Republicans, special interests and those who do nothing but take a pay check. That includes notables such as Lieberman, Ben Nelson, Kyl, McCain, to name a few. The rest know who they are, they back up to the pay window and say their name so they don't have to be seen.

Posted by: ronjeske | February 5, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

We were conned in 2008 by the Dems. The top con man was the Prez.

Posted by: truth1 | February 5, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

kare1 wrote:

I had pneumonia and was denied because 8 years ago I went to the doctor for the flu.
I recently ruptured my Achilles, and that claim was denied because I broke THE OPPOSITE LEG IN A CAR ACCIDENT 4 years ago, therefore I obviously placed too much strain on my right leg 4 years ago while I was in the cast that caused my ruptured tendon in the other foot.

I've worked in the insurance industry for 30 years and I have never heard a story like this. I call BS!

There is no doubt, much reform is needed in the insurance industry and I hope the president is serious about allowing republicans to be a part of the process. I hope the republicans take him up on the offer---i believe they will.

Posted by: bobby_coffey | February 5, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

***HOW TO END RECESSION THIS YEAR*** ... ... . ... PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: You NOW have an opportunity to end the Recession by encouraging the Banks to make Prudent CRE Loans. The Banks are now unfettered to make Safe Loans. In Large American Cities there are thousands of Major Projects with Entitlements. CRE PRODUCES THE GREATEST NUMBER OF JOBS than any other segment of the Economy. Glass mfg, Steel Industry, truckers, architects, brokers, agents, construction workers, electricians, plumbers, office furniture manufacturers....WE COULD HAVE 6% UNEMPLOYMENT WITHIN 4 MONTHS....THERE ARE 140 SHOVEL READY, ENTITLED, PROJECTS OF 70 OR MORE UNITS READY TO GO IN LOS ANGELES alone!! People will be WORKING FOR 2 YEARS BEFORE THE BUILDINGS ARE COMPLETE; and by then, the Recession will be over and Tenants will Flood the Market to Purchase Modern “green” units. This same scenario is found in Boston, Philadelphia, Houston, Ft. Worth, Detroit, Cleveland, St. Louis, Kansas City, Tampa, Providence, Hartford, St. Paul—all across America.

Posted by: MSFT-PELOSI | February 5, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and it always seems to make the GOP supporting naysayers feel better to engage in some childish name-calling since they have nothing constructive, or thoughtful, to say.

Posted by: jmdziuban1 | February 5, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Why do all the republican posters here on this subject seem so afraid. They all rail about a bill from the past, or try to talk about why this idea couldn't work. Or bring up another subject completely in an attempt to justify their refusal to participate in the proposed debate. Run, run, runaway from serious factual discourse: It'll burn off both your ears.

Posted by: jmdziuban1 | February 5, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I am fed up with the health insurance industry in this country. I have paid dearly (nearly 30%) or more of income on premiums alone for the past 10 years only to have 92% of my claims denied.

I had pneumonia and was denied because 8 years ago I went to the doctor for the flu.
I recently ruptured my Achilles, and that claim was denied because I broke THE OPPOSITE LEG IN A CAR ACCIDENT 4 years ago, therefore I obviously placed too much strain on my right leg 4 years ago while I was in the cast that caused my ruptured tendon in the other foot.

So I dropped my insurance, will use the ER whenever I feel like it and not pay the bill. Screw it and screw you all.

Posted by: kare1 | February 5, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

No one in their right mind wants Obamacare with its government intrusion. That puppy is dead and should be. We do not need the government take over of one sixth of our economy. We do not all need to have the government setting payoff limits, committees tell us want procedures we need and taxing us if we do, raising taxes to have this pathetic basic plan and fining us 40 percent if your plan is decent unless you are a union member with a cadillac plan, cutting 500 billion in medicare which they have never cut the waste in before, knowing doctors are dropping medicare patients left and right due to mounds of paperwork and cut fees, throwing all those illegals and misfits into medicaid which goes back to the state which lands on our financial laps, paying for the medicaid of Louisiana and Nebraska from bribes with spineless gutless Senators, paying for the insurance needs of retired union workers and community organizers, going into bank accounts or other money accounts to extract what the government thinks you owe, having your medical data put on a national registry for God only knows what moron can retrieve it, and then the rationing of elderly care which we all know will be happening but they do not want to elaborate on for fear of scaring the you know what out of you like they do in England where dialysis ends at age 65 unless you can pay for it.
This pathetic garbage is dead or you will see rioting in the streets not seen since the Boston Tea Party. This massive invasive pathetic collage of double talk, bribes and deals with slimy companies better end. Chunk this dumb thing and give us simple regulations that cost nothing. Who needs all this government red tape?
Where is the cost cutting with competition? Where is the portability? Where is the tort reform?
Nothing has made our family this angry since I can remember. Our memory is good and strong. Meet you at the polls.

Posted by: greatgran1 | February 5, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Bravo, get the facts out there about this issue such that the GOP and faux news cannot twist them into frightening scenarios. Single payer wins because it lowers costs, simplifies the system and gaurantees basic-moderate coverage for all. All this without decreasing anybody's access to care one iota. If they wish to purchase supplemental private insurance, as they do now, the opportunity to should be included for those who choose to do so. And nobody goes bankrupt due to catastrophic medical bills. So simple yet apparently(apparitionally?) so scary.

Posted by: jmdziuban1 | February 5, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

If the best the GOP can do is the kind of insulting nonsense posted by simonsays and the other right wing sloganeers, then the Dems are in pretty good shape.
That is, if Obama is correct that most American voters are grown-ups who can deal with facts.
If he's wrong, then the country may deserve some dimwit like Palin.

Posted by: tmginnova | February 5, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

There are problems with Health Care and it needs change.
I'd be happy to see Obama lead something that didn't involve all these little deals to buy votes from groups that should be kicked to the curb.

Posted by: RedBird27 | February 5, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

If Obama is talking about a plan to resurrect Obamacare, the idea is DOA. Obamacare is such an egregious, corrupt piece of trash that no Republican would support it no matter how much Obama begs or promises to change it.

Obama, Pelosi and Reid are desperate to get Obamacare passed, under any circumstances, so that they can modify it to meet their Progressive desires later.

Posted by: mike85 | February 5, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Possibly the greatest objection to "PelosiCare" by We the People was that it was so much a "done deal" slapped together behind closed doors outside of public view.

An Open Forum approach is the very first step required.

I think there's going to have to be a few years of constant negotiation headed towards the Middle Ground before useful Healthcare Reform can ever be passed.

Thank goodness we have a Radical Center president to shepard the process!

Posted by: thardman | February 5, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama's wasting his time with the stinking repubs.

Just do what the drunkard bush did and shove a universal coverage, single payer health care system right down their throats.

Posted by: rcubedkc | February 5, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Barry is proposing a sham presidential commission consisting of a stacked deck of 12 Democrats and 6 Republicans, to whitewash his past year of economic failure and rubber-stamp his tax and spend $3.8 trillion boondoggle better known as the federal budget.

Thanks Barry, but no thanks.

Posted by: screwjob11 | February 5, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

If Obama is talking about a plan to resurrect Obamacare, the idea is DOA. Obamacare is such an egregious, corrupt piece of trash that no Republican would support it no matter how much Obama begs or promises to change it.

Obama, Pelosi and Reid are desperate to get Obamacare passed, under any circumstances, so that they can modify it to meet their Progressive desires later.

Posted by: mike85 | February 5, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Tell me why we should take this olive branch statement by Obama seriously? He's been breaking promise after promise since he was elected. Remember how good transparency, no earmarks and no lobbyists sounded?

He hasn't kept his word yet, why believe him now?

Posted by: thehamptons1 | February 5, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

The bills presently in congress are based on the premise that government can do it better, modified by many deals made with lobbyists and dems to try to get the 60 votes the dems had. The premise results in moves to do away with our current health care system which,contrary to some ideologue's claims, is the best in the world. Neither the people nor the republicans support that premise. Therefore, if congress is to develop and pass a health care bill, they will have to start from scratch and bring in both the dems and republicans at the start to establish the premise from which to develop a new reform bill. That should be to maintain our health care system but institute reforms that will bring down cost and address issues such as pre-existing conditions, insurance across state lines etc. Actually, I began to think that,scarey as it may seem, the best approach might be to go to an insurance system similar to that we use for house and car insurance with a pre-tax amount for medical bills provided. Be glad when we start throwing out the progressives beginning in Nov.

Posted by: awunsch | February 5, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Whoops, here we go again. We must remain vigilant and hope republicans do to. Obama, Reid and Pelosi we not give up easily, obviously.

We must all remember that Obama has admitted his agenda is to "fundamentally transform America". He and the admitted radicals he has surrounded himself with actually believe the end justifies the means. Therefore, promises, lies, bribes and deception mean nothing to them. It's OK in their book.

My biggest fear is that the abortion, public option, tort reform and selling insurance across state lines debates will be a diversion. In actuality Obama and his cronies will in the end give these things up in order to get what's buried within the final bill.

These health care bills being negotiated create dozens of boards, panels and commissions that will regulate rates, compensation and health care rationing.
Obama will trade nearly everything to get these controls. They will will worry about the rest later.

STAY AWAKE AMERICA!

Posted by: thehamptons1 | February 5, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Please, no more negotiations, no more yapping. Republicans have never negotiated health care reform in good faith. The majority of the public aren't against reform, they're against inefficiency! And everybody's tired of hearing about health care. Republicans are scoring points arguing that "Obama's talking health care still, against the will of the people and ignoring jobs". Pass the damn bill via reconciliation, and let's move on! Democrats will get credit in the fall for passing a reasonably good bill. If it doesn't pass, Democrats will be blamed anyway for supporting it. There's simply no choice to back down now, and further "argument" will not help. There's no other path. Pass the bill via reconciliation, and let's at least move towards getting everybody covered, like every other civilized nation.

I am self-employed, and my 9 year old is a Type One Diabetic. Would you want to insure him? Think you know an insurer who can make money on him? My son has no coverage, and this is crap.

Posted by: davidscottcraig | February 5, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Year 2009 went buy almost wasted by the Senate Democrats and President Obama , in the hope of bipartisanship . The GOP after three major sensational election victories in VA , NJ and MA would not give up their strategy of standing in the way of Senate Democrats and the President to allow them victory and any major Bills passed in 2010. It is about time that Democrats in Congress and Obama administration should start focusing on strategic policy changes . Those that evidently and positively should impact upon middle class American core problems e. g., the rising unemployment , growing loss of health insurance, middle class home ownership losses , help for seniors and scores of other issues facing the U. S. They have to this year use their own majority , and may be some help if they can get any from the GOP in the process , to bring the changes we all voted for in 2008 .

Posted by: dmfarooq | February 5, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Lets face the fact: Only Big pharma, Big insurance or lunatics (aka Republicans) can be for the current health care system in US.

So Republicans are hired by the Big pharma, Big insurance or brain washed by their agents, that is the right-wing Media, to make sure that NO real Universal Nationalized Health Care is passed in this country which would result in them making $1-Trillion less per year.

U can read full FACTS here:
http://anoox.com/blog/UHC.34590

Posted by: RealNews1 | February 5, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama is such a slow learner...I would love to see his transcripts. Too bad they are forever sealed.

Posted by: JCM-51 | February 5, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I did not know,Biparty,Mint Let pelosi,reid,Choose who comes in their meeting's,The one's bill's they right,And shuts the door's,On the people who they can't buy.When pelosi was asked about transparency,She,Like a high school snob,Laughed at the reporter,And said there were a lot of things said during the election.It was her little arrogant way of laughing at the American People.Let just a few tyrants,Write the laws,With not being able to see,Much read what they are voteing on.Just shut the hell up & vote.Behind closed doors,Bribes,& Deals are made.If the H-D PLAN is so GOOD,Why?,Does the goverment have a different plan,Why do some states get excempt,Why do the union's get excempt,When they are the thugs that has caused thousands of jobs,To go over seas.And axelrod,Gets millons from the Medical field,All the dem's get big pay offs.Look at the kennedy-kerry H-C plan in MASS.IF FAILDED BIG TIME!,And these idiots wants to try a whole country.Who stupid can some people to support these kind of tyrants.If the goverment would force their news media,To show & tell the whole truth,More people would help put a stop on the corruption,But you would still have those,That like being a sucker.The republican party of no,They are the party of show us what in the hell we are going to vote on.Stop the DAMN LIEING,STOP THE DICEIT.These idiots must have just been told,{HEY}these stupid americans can't pay our plans or taxes,WITH OUT JOBS!,It took them a year to figure that out.

Posted by: dickiesnhogheaven | February 5, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Right now our country is not ready to pass health care because a) the bill is too costly to taxpayers; b)the bill is designed to put the government in charge of health care; c) government shouldn't be in the health care business.
Kill the bill and start over in a year or two with smaller bills, and meaningful reform that cuts costs and creates competition between insurance companies. Government health care doesn't work.

Posted by: 45upnorth | February 5, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Barry is grasping at straws here which is what you would expect of an incompetent boob who has made himself a lame duck president after one miserable year in office.

Posted by: screwjob11 | February 5, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Congress did it wrong in an attempt to prove that it can't be done. There's just one little problem. The entire rest of the civilized world did it. We alone are pursuing this experiment in social Darwinism that we are pleased to call "Free Enterprise". Posted by: Capn0ok | February 5, 2010 3:30 PM | =============

You're absolutely right. And, as soon as Congress reverses or modifies birthright citizenship and cuts off ALL tax-funded benefits and services to illegal aliens (including free health care) - like they do in the rest of the world - THEN, and only then can we build a health care reform plan for American CITIZENS that might actually work.

As long as citizens are expected to carry millions of illegal aliens and their illegitimate children, with no end in sight, health care costs will continue to rise.

The rest of the world kicked the squatters in their countries to the curb when they tried to demand a plethora of benefits. How else do you think they are able to keep their health care costs down?

Get real folks, illegal aliens DO play a major role in our out of control health care costs. Until illegal aliens are cut off completely, nothing is going to change no matter how open the debates may be.

The rest of the world figured this out years ago and built a health care system around their CITIZENS. Some people are deluded in believing the US is the progressive nation. The US is more like the sucker nation.

Posted by: asmith1 | February 5, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I laugh at you democrats. I am 66 years old and was a democrat all my life. As a union organizer, union member and a business employer. I now go to the Mayo clinic and it is filled with Canadians as well as foreigners from all over the world. You liberals should round these people up and transport back to their home countries to die. No moderates or conservatives listen to you because the facts are so much stacked against you.

Posted by: tk1123 | February 5, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Makom...what an idiot. This is the kind of stuff that that turns an Indp voter's stomach!! Get a grip. I'm so tired a partisian politics!!! If we work together, we can get the best possible government. We need the moderates of both parties to pull together and for a coalition.

Posted by: DCJUSTICE | February 5, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Makom...what an idiot. This is the kind of stuff that that turns an Indp voter's stomach!! Get a grip. I'm so tired a partisian politics!!! If we work together, we can get the best possible government. We need the moderates of both parties to pull together and for a coalition.

Posted by: DCJUSTICE | February 5, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

After all the debating It amazes me that America still thinks the Republicans are to blame for not passing HCR. First of all the loudest protesters were the Independent voter. Mass. finally caught on to that. (Thank you Senator Scott Brown)

What Most of American's were against was the way HCR was handled. It was more to do with Government telling "The People", what we can and cannot do. If you ask most Americans agree that the USA needs some sort of HCR. The problem was that the so called Representatives for "The People," did not listen to what we wanted. (No middle of the night back room deals behind closed doors.)

Just minutes before the Senate version was to be voted on, Pelosi informed the Senate that there were an additional 300 pages to the bill and no time for all to read before voting. (Let me remind you that the bill was already 2500 pages long.) It's because of this that the Republicans voted NO. It is Because of this that WE, "The Independent Voter" said NO WAY! Sneaky just does not fly anymore in America. Too many hard lessons.

Let me summarize by saying that Most American's do feel we need Health Care Reform. We just want to feel a part of the process and not feel like we are being taken for fools. If the proposal by President Obama is given a chance, perhaps we will ALL be happy that it was postponed ....a bit and done right not rushed.

Posted by: Intuition1010 | February 5, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

deficit ten times more than 2007where can i find that data?

Posted by: donaldtucker | February 5, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Spread the word people. The mark of the beast on your forehead is when you accept the Anti-Christ through blind faith. The mark of the beast on your hand is when you accept the Anti-Christ through gifts. People Obama is the Anti-Christ that you have all read about. You have been warned. The future is not set and can go in two very different directions. Get involved and help stop this massive take over.

Posted by: makom | February 5, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

The only goal of the Republican Party is to kill health care reform. They don't want to work with Democrats on this. It's a pretense when they claim otherwise. They only want to keep things the way they are.

There are two reasons for this:

1) The Republicans are the servants of big insurance companies and the investors that make money off the current "health care" system. Any changes in health care might decrease insurance company profits.

2) The Republicans know that if true health care reform passed, it would prove to be very popular over time, and would ultimately help the Democrats.

The Republicans don't want either of these things to happen. That's why their entire bit about "bipartisanship" is just a way of stalling, and killing health care reform. They're hoping to "run out the clock" until the next election, just as they've done in the past.

So, don't believe the Republicans when they say they want to work with the Democrats on health care. They don't.

Any questions?

Posted by: snesich | February 5, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

This is another example of Obama's lack of leadership. This latest example of his repeated, incomprehensible attempts to appease the GOP is both nauseating and familiar.

The fact that the GOP has made it plain and clear is that they despise him (see their catering to the tea baggers lunatics)and have absolutely no intention of ever voting for anything he proposes is lost on this American Neville Chamberlain.

Posted by: toc59 | February 5, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I think some people are missing the point. Obama is a pragmatist. He prefers to get the most comprehensive health care overhaul he can get, whether it be a full revamp of the system (Dem), or a partial overhaul (Dem middle-of-the road, no public option, compromise on federally funded abortion, etc), even opening it up to public scrutiny to broker a compromise.

What he WILL NOT DO is do nothing. Unfortunately for Americans (and for me the #1 turn-off for Republicans), the ONLY thing Republicans want is to nothing - nothing on healthcare, nothing on jobs, nothing on financial reform. Their mantra of "Country First" now seems like the highest hypocrisy, as these changes are URGENTLY required to avoid American demise

No healthcare change will = 25% of GDP in a few years, no financial regulation will result in another Great Depression (or worse), no change in our dependence on oil will result in more wars throughout the middle east, no job stimulus bill will mean stagnant growth for a decade, no change in education will mean less productivity and a less competitive America.

So I ask all AMERICANS, as your patriotic duty to the survival of American hegemony (lets face it, do we really want China, with its suppressions of freedom leading our world), to please stop your politicians obstructing change for short-term political gain and start entering into MEANINGFUL deliberation and compromise (up to this point I have seen no REAL effort by Republicans to compromise, with Democrats continually ceding their points to no effect). If not, I fear the US will either need to change the way politics are done in Washington or suffer a fate worse than compromise - that is the slow and steady decline towards irrelevance.

Posted by: morphiusG | February 5, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Geez, Obama already blew it by showing no leadership and letting health care reform be run by Congress, where it dissolved into a complex mess of crony capitalism and pork barrel politicking.

He should let it go already, pitching his voice in now with suggestions on how to improve process, is pathetically too little too late.

Posted by: ephemerella | February 5, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Congress did it wrong in an attempt to prove that it can't be done. There's just one little problem. The entire rest of the civilized world did it. We alone are pursuing this experiment in social Darwinism that we are pleased to call "Free Enterprise".

Posted by: Capn0ok | February 5, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Here's what good about this plan:
First, the reset will take all of the odious deals off the table. This includes the initial deal reached with Big Pharma and the insurers, and the subsequent deals with selective states and the unions.
Second, with the sessions being carried on C-Span, it will be very difficult for new deals to be cut, and at last the American people will have a seat at the table.
Third, with a lot of the research having already been done, it shouldn't take that long to bore down to true policy considerations.
Fourth, with all the cards on the table, and being televised, any partisan game playing by participants will quickly become apparent.
And lastly, President Obama will finally have taken a leadership role, which may carry some risks but also handsome rewards.
Oh, and almost as an afterthought, we just might get some good health policy.
But before embarking on this bold approach, Mr. Obama will need to have Mr. Reid and Ms. Pelosi cease and desist with their attempt to do an end run with reconciliation. Enough!

Posted by: mtpeaks | February 5, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse


If our elected representatives were truly concerned about health care instead of control, they could fix 90% of the problems with health insurance by ending the federal law allowing states to ban health insurance sales across state lines.

If we had a free market in health insurance, it would be inexpensive and easy to buy insurance for "pre-existing" conditions before they exist. The vast majority of "pre-existing" conditions that currently exist in a cramped, limited, heavily regulated insurance market would be "covered" conditions under a free market in health insurance.


We will NOT accept mandates that say We pay or be fined and imprisoned!


GET OUT OF THE WAY WASHINGTON AND LET COMPETITION DO IT'S WORK!


Posted by: AJAX2 | February 5, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

First people complain that they don't know what's in the bills despite the fact every committee meeting was televised by CSPAN regarding Healthcare for 6 months straight.

Now the President says okay you want even more transparency, I'll facilitate an open side by side comparison of what's in these bills, so you won't have to go read them yourself on the internet.

And people are still complaining.

Stop contradicting yourselves.

Posted by: onifadee | February 5, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

One whole year wasted on health care. If they would have done it out in the open and worked with their legal citizen's of America something could have been done. The American citizen's do not trust this Health care supposedly reform bill period. GET THE JOBS BACK TO AMERICA.This is what we are all waiting for. We do not want WELFARE. We need jobs to survive. It is not happening. We are sick of the LIES. If we get our jobs back we will pay for our own health care like all of the Politicians should be doing. They get too much for the little they do. Part time workers getting more than full time obscene salaries.Who are they working for anyhow? This is not the change we were promised. It is more like dictatorship.

Posted by: peggydlhk | February 5, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I like President Obama's idea. The rising cost of healthcare is tied to the stagnant wages of most Americans. Something needs to be done, and we need to have a GROWN-UP debate. Not name-calling and tantrum-throwing just to get on the teevee.

If we do let this moment slip by and let the big corporations win, then we, the middle class, will truly become irrelevant. Hard work DOES NOT equal more pay in most American lives. More frequently it seems to be the case that it is about who you know and what rules you are willing to break to get ahead. WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS!

Posted by: gamble2000 | February 5, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

It should be fun to hear them explain in front of the tv cameras why they need a special deal for the unions.

Posted by: josettes | February 5, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama held up a gigantic book at the beginning of his term, it was a study (dare I think someone million dollars spent on it) that determine that Medicaid/Medicare are already broken, full of mismanagement and fraud. How about fixing those two, making health care available to those that have none (NOT ILLEGALS) and leave the rest of us who DO have health care, that we LIKE, alone. Works for me.
And this sudden stance on working with the Republicans, making everything visible...what a bunch of hogwash....Massachusetts is making him shift....along with the very possible loss of both his and Biden's seats to Republicans...oh how the winds have shifted.

Posted by: ReneesOpinion | February 5, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Something needs to be done about Health care costs...I am just not sure what that is.

When every year your company has to wrestle with how to deal with the rising costs of health care.
When you stay in a job just because you have good health care.
When you worry about getting old and losing your health care at the time you need it most.

Something needs to be done to bring the costs down. It is possible that we may not like the answer. The answer may be, accept the fact that you are going to die and it is too expensive to fight against the inevitable for some ailments.

Posted by: sghilde | February 5, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

The health plan as presently being worked on is NOT for the public. It is for lawyers, union members, AARP and other groups who sneak in the white house back door to sit with Odumbo and work their own private deal. IT is for illegals who cross our border with the specific intent to steal... our jobs, welfare for our needy, medical care, and good education for our children because teachers have to teach them English or teach bi-lingualy. We can not allow this version to pass. It will push our generation and our children and generations of children into debt and crippling taxes. Let's get tort control, close illegal benefits and send them home, allow out of state companies to compete for our insurance. This is the American Way... the best way. Socialism has not worked anywhere.. what makes Odumbo think it will work here? Remember your ballot.. it is the weapon we will use to get Odumbo, the illegal czars and arrogant politicans OUT hopefully never to return. As someone previously stated.. Thank you Massachusetts voters.. you started our first revolution and you are starting this one!!!!

Posted by: AonceproudAmerican | February 5, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

You know, I voted for Obama but increasingly he looks about as stupid as it gets. Do you think the Republicans are going to participate in good faith? HELL NO, they will work to slow roll any legislation, get to some sort of compromise then vote against it. Obama knows what they are doing NOW, why give the Republicans another 6 months to make sure he can't get anything accomplished? What is the limit on the Republican bad faith? 1 week, 2 weeks, 6 months? I want things done, even if that means that they don't get a place at the table, because they were offered that place, and they are insisting that they get to run the country when they were voted out because of the way they ran it in the first place. GAWD, Mr. President wake the hell up! You are not going to get re-elected anyway, so get something done while you have a dang 59 seat majority. What's WRONG WITH YOU!!!??? I am losing my respect for our Presidents ability to be a togh leader. You aren't in a collegiate atmosphere, you are swimming with unethical power hungry sharks. You might want to jump out of this cess pool, and get real.

Posted by: jacquie1 | February 5, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Tupac_Goldstein said re Obama:
"He has failed repeatedly to show that the truth is in him."

It's amazing anyone supports a man of such low morals. I suppose it's the birds of a feather flock together thing.
.

Posted by: Billw3 | February 5, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

gleslie60 WROTE: "i don't even know why anyone discusses it at all anymore. make up stories about how things were not as "transparent" as you wanted, but the truth is, they were. if you wanted to actually watch this stuff you could, you just had to look for it. did anyone do that?"
****************************************

If you have video of Reid and Pelosi and Obama hammering out HCR in the middle of the night, while America slept....Better bring it out for all to see! Show us where to find it. I'm very curious to see it.

Posted by: Intuition1010 | February 5, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I watched as the health care bills were hashed over on TV by the three R's and three D's on the committee, I watched the Senate debates on the bill, I watched the House debates on the bill. But gee, I didn't get to see the Speaker and Majority Leader negotiate with members because we never see that part in ANY administration. Someone who is complaining about backroom deals, needs to show examples how any administration publicized those kind of negotiations. Did everyone see the Bush energy committee hash out bills or deals or will they tell me who attended those meetings? At least I watched Obama's health reform committee on TV.

Posted by: clairevb | February 5, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I watched as the health care bills were hashed over on TV by the three R's and three D's on the committee, I watched the Senate debates on the bill, I watched the House debates on the bill. But gee, I didn't get to see the Speaker and Majority Leader negotiate with members because we never see that part in ANY administration. Someone who is complaining about backroom deals, needs to show examples how any administration publicized those kind of negotiations. Did everyone see the Bush energy committee hash out bills or deals or will they tell me who attended those meetings? At least I watched Obama's health reform committee on TV.

Posted by: clairevb | February 5, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry. I voted for Mr. Obama. I think his motives-unlike Cheney/Bush- are good. But this penchant for bipartisan kumbaya dancing with people whose sole goal is to destroy you-is beyond naive. Mr. President, please "lead."

Posted by: BBear1 | February 5, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

viejo70: Obama did invite the Republicans to contribute. They told him to take a hike, and used their 40 vote status as a smokescreen to claim that they were being excluded.

Brown's victory had a cloud attached to the silver lining. They can't claim to be excluded any more because the dem's couldn't exclude them if they wanted to. One problem - now they have to contribute, and Obama has called them on it.

Posted by: JoeT1 | February 5, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Barry, Harry and SanFranGrannyNan can put all of the lipstick they want on this pig, but it still going to be a PIG !!!

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, we are left with the Party of "NO" and the Party of "DON'T KNOW" ???

Why should WE be receptive to a piece of Legislation that THEY originally tried to negotiate behind closed doors and shove down our throats ???

Now THEY want to play nice and forget their recent disdain for our existence !!!

For those of you in Rio Linda.............

dis⋅dain
  /dɪsˈdeɪn, dɪˈsteɪn/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [dis-deyn, di-steyn]
–verb (used with object)
1. to look upon or treat with contempt; despise; scorn.
2. to think unworthy of notice, response, etc.; consider beneath oneself: to disdain replying to an insult.

Posted by: thgirbla | February 5, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

What Democrat in their right mind would want to be bringing up the health care mess this close to the mid-term elections?

Posted by: wolfcastle | February 5, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Eventually the GOP talking points will sound as empty as their brains.

Posted by: AverageJane | February 5, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Mr.Obama has broken so many promises, he is hoping he can pawn off this healthcare one on the repubs'
I wish more americans would force his dialogue back to Iraq and Afghanistan.
we cannot afford these WARS!!!
he said he would bring our troops home!
obama said that!
why does no one call him on it!!

I'm sick and tired of all these politicians lying and lying and lying
and we have no credible mass media in
america anymore.

Posted by: simonsays1 | February 5, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Yes - let's let the light of day shine on discussions - negotiations - so all of us can see our representatives in action.

Posted by: sally1231 | February 5, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Rewriting History - Why You Need To Hide Your Wallet
As the health care reform debate limps on, the Republicans are attempting, with some degree of success, to rewrite history and prepare the way for big businesses to drain your wallets, silently targeting seniors for an extra-special shakedown. Aware that some of the public still remembers that their party was in power in the eight years leading up to the financial meltdown they’re sending out an endless stream of messages about big, growing government, increasing taxes and a growing budget deficit. It’s time for some fact [...]
http://silverbuzzcafe.com/?p=7887

Posted by: verna2 | February 5, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm....now Obama wants debate in open forum style. How unlike him and his lap dogs in Congress. I just chalk it up to the Brown Effect. Bend over boys, 2020/12 elections aren't far off.

Posted by: SUBLIMEWOODY | February 5, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

oh stop it! it doesn't matter what barack obama does the right will oppose it. i don't even know why anyone discusses it at all anymore. make up stories about how things were not as "transparent" as you wanted, but the truth is, they were. if you wanted to actually watch this stuff you could, you just had to look for it. did anyone do that? or are these all assumptions people made because they supported assumptions they already had? it is not that conservatives don't like the administration's policies, they don't like barack obama. and if that is why you oppose him at every turn and then make up facts not in evidence to support what you say then stop it and just say you don't like the man or what he represents.

Posted by: gleslie60 | February 5, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I guess the President's strategy is to kill the Repubs with kindness. The more they rebuff his advances, the better he looks.

Posted by: Gatsby10 | February 5, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I guess the President's strategy is to kill the Repubs with kindness. The more they rebuff his advances, the better he looks.

Posted by: Gatsby10 | February 5, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

When one looks at the Town Hall Meetings, where Republican & Tea Bagger Sturmabteilung (Storm Troopers of the Third Reich) folks tried to buffalo the rest of us ... one would think that the Democrats would prevail once it was shown that the health care prognosticators would say, yes, the savings will be this ... or, yes, with that plan, even though it only covers x or y # of people, would be budget neutral.
I'm hopeful that Obama plows on ahead with some of these meetings with the health care experts, or has a specially televised C-SPAN coverage of congressional committees comparing costs and assessments with the CBO, etc.
The fact is: the Republican Party is the Party of NO; they do want to protect the insurance industry; they get the most in donations from the insurance industry; they wrecked the economy through tax cuts for the wealthiest of the wealthy & want to continue those cuts under all measures. They are hypocrites who talk fiscal responsibility, but allowed two wars to be fought on supplemental appropriations.
Obama should also talk with the American people about the need, once unemployment falls below a certain point, to begin a war tax that will pay off, say, over a decade, that part of the deficit.
The entire American house of cards is shaky and unfolding. This scenario looks reminiscent of the decline of the British Empire post WW-II. When Defense, the Intelligence Community & Homeland Security gobble up enormous parts of the budget, they will either make us heavily defended paupers, or come down to a reasonable & sustainable strata.

Posted by: zennheadd | February 5, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Dick 18,
take momma's teat out of your mouth
and stand on your own two feet.

Posted by: simonsays1 | February 5, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse


More Obama Snake Oil.

Aren't his four years up yet? Seems like we've been stuck with Obama forever.

Posted by: Jerzy | February 5, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I see the Democrats swallowing all the time... you are the problem lee l. rogers,
you are in denial, politicians LIE, Dude,
as soon as you start spreading their lies,
you are a liar too...
sit down, have a nice quiet talk with yourself. lee L. rogers...
obama is a talented politician,
politicians lie'
ergo... obama be One MoFu Great Liar!!

Posted by: simonsays1 | February 5, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

If you are waiting for government to
solve your problems.
YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!
Posted by: simonsays1
------------
You're the problem jackass if you think 30 million uninsured Americans, sick people having their coverage dropped and 20% annual premium inflation is just fine.

Posted by: Richard18 | February 5, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't know where the rest of the nation has been, but most of these negotiations have been on C-SPAN. It wasn't pretty and frankly rather disgusting. The committee hearings was the worst of all. Each side offered amendments to the bills, some good and some bad. Viewing objectively I'd have to say the Republicans offered a lot of lame amendments and should have not even been put up for a vote. The Democrats also had some hard to swallow amendments. Don't believe the hype that the Republicans were not a part of the process, because there were something like 150 amendments accepted in the House. The American people want to see this all over again? We are gluttons for punishment. The last of the negotiations now going on in the conference committees is where the hard work is being done. Please don't go through all this again. These politicians know they are being watched, we have to trust the system enough to let them get it done. If it's not right, well the good thing about our system of government is we can always change it or amend it later.

Posted by: leelrogers | February 5, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

If you are waiting for government to
solve your problems.
YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!

Posted by: simonsays1 | February 5, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

..........

To whomever wrote this:

the current socialist healthcare manifesto that restricts freedom of choice will no sell

-------

OK. Let's way we have lazze faire capitalism in health care
like we do now...

I have a small business and am self insured, because there
are no restrictions in California on the amount an insurance
company can raise my rates, MY RATES JUST WENT UP BY
30 PERCENT....GET THAT 30 PERCENT...

I WILL TAKE HEALTH CARE LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED
WORLD...YOU CAN CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WANT...IF NOT
PLEASE SEND MONEY...

The people here obviously don't pay their own insurance or
don't run their own companies. And if you do and you do
not want health insurance reform, you have no clue.

Posted by: printthis | February 5, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Don't you just love this President?? He blocks the Republicans from any input into his agenda as long as they had the majority, now all of a sudden that he has lost his unblockable edge he wants to suspend the backroom closed door meetings of his faithful followers (nancy polosi and harry reid) and go public. Didn't he promise to be transperent durring his run for the office. How many promises did he break? Let me count the ways (I'm sorry but I can't count that high)

Posted by: viejo70 | February 5, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

obama is such an empty box of rocks,
These jokers lie cheat and steal from
the giant slush fund of hard earned
american tax dollars, and then tell
us, straight faced, they know what is
best for us,
seems it is always some scheme to give
them more power and more money.
We don't want MORE GOVERNMENT!
we don't need some dope telling us
what is good for us,
QUIT spending more money then we have,
and QUIT trying to expand the power of
govenment.

Serve The People!!!

Posted by: simonsays1 | February 5, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

It's looking more and more like no health care bill will get done this year. And I'm not sure how distressed the White House is about that fact.,

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | February 5, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Good plan.

Posted by: GeorgHerbet | February 5, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

""but the current socialist healthcare manifesto that restricts freedom of choice will no sell.Posted by: rplat""

Ha ha! I love it. Bringing out "socialism" in the light of the fact that the "Capitalist" approach as we have had for a century has worked so very, very well.

Socialist? Guess again, try EFFECTIVE! Providing coverage for all means a healthier society. A healthier society means greater productivity. Therein helping your "capitalism" . . Get it?

Posted by: delantero | February 5, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans do not want to reform health care. They just want to destroy Obama.

Posted by: dataflunky | February 5, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Trick me once, shame on you. Trick me twice, shame on me. Trick me three times and I get what I deserve!

Posted by: JAH3 | February 5, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

There's no big secret . . . read the damed proposed legislation and you'll know precisely what the Democrats want. Having Obama's joint "goat rope" will do nothing but confuse the issue and provide a soapbox for Obama. The Republican's have made their healthcare positions quite clear and all the Democrats have to do is listen. Trash the public option and the payment mandates and there may be room for negotiation and compromise, but the current socialist healthcare manifesto that restricts freedom of choice will no sell.

Posted by: rplat | February 5, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

........

The the brilliant person who wrote that democrats are
responsible for the debt and deficit:

Unlike conservatives, I don't make up facts.

The Republics meme that it was a democratic congress
responsible for the debt and deficit is factually incorrect since
the unpaid for tax cuts to the super wealthy and the two
unaccounted for wars were not put in the budget
before the Democrats ever took over.

Also pushed through by T.Delay was the medicare part D
plan, the biggest social spending bill in decades. It, too,
was not accounted for the in the yearly budgets until this
year.

It's very clear since R.Reagan the super wealthy and the
GOP have cut taxes for the rich, bringing down the top
tax rate by almost 60 points and raising payroll taxes
for the working person. While at the same time, the
average working person's wages have been stagnant
while productivity has increased.

Again, you must like pain.

.........

Posted by: printthis | February 5, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

talk talk talk,
obama obama obama,
isnt it time for another
11 days in Hawaii? dude?
everyday you prove government
can't run anything.
pelosi needs $1,000,100.00
on US taxpayers for her Cocktails
aboard her military flight to
her winery outside San Fran,
it is just so obvious,
democrats and republicans
are lying to the camera's,
and the 'reporters' behind
those media eyes, don't believe
the american public is smart enough
to handle the truth.
the truth,
the truth,
that depends, on what you mean
by "IS"
WMD'S?
we have a failed state...
not america, WASHINGTON!
and when the potus distances
himself from the potus.
and we all say,
oh no, we can't blame obama,
for what obama says or does,
that wouldnt be politically correct.
these jokers lecturing us about
personal responsibility,
is beyond comtempt.

Posted by: simonsays1 | February 5, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Great idea! Openess! We can listen to the discussions for ourselves and won't need a single talking head to interpret anything. Democracy is well served by this approach.

Posted by: Thinking4 | February 5, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

There would be no need for an "alternative" path if the Senate were not dysfunctional. What kind effective institution makes it so that forty per of its members can hold up anything, and a single member can keep any nominations from being approved?

One thing the more transparent way of doing things right now has done is this. It has revealed how many in congress on both sides are owned lock, stock and barrel by the rich.

What's left of the middle class (after eight years of Bush) have no real influence in congress at all.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | February 5, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The more he trys to get Republican support the worse the plan will be. Only tax supported national healthcare will get us away from the corporate entitlement society that profits on the suffering of others.

Posted by: Wildthing1 | February 5, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Who would be dumb enough to trust the word of Barack "Corpseman" Obama? He has failed repeatedly to show that the truth is in him.

Posted by: Tupac_Goldstein | February 5, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

printthis writes:

Under Democrats the government runs a surplus annual budget

_______________

Might want to check your history there....

Under a democrat president and a republican congress, the government ran a surplus.

Under a Republican president and a democrat congress (think 2007-2008), the government ran huge deficits....deficits that have only grown once Obama took office.

I don't like Obama, but I'd be happy with a dem president and republican congress again...only with divided government can something, hopefully, good get done.

Posted by: boosterprez | February 5, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

President Obama deserves credit for pursuing health care reform legislation and recommending an open forum. Let's hope he's successful. But Republicans will be against anything that gives him a significant accomplishment.
I think it is also true that most conservative voters, and some independent voters, are not supportive because they are against extending coverage to 30 million people who don't have it, and don't see much in it for them. They already have theirs; why should others get it? Obama must force a successful vote on health care reform, and he will.|Posted by:dudh | February 5, 2010 1:30 PM
-------------------------------------
It's not "Why should others get it?" It's "Why should I pay for others to get it?" There are some people in this world that work their butts off to get where they are, myself included (And I don't make much) who want to have the CHOICE to help or not. I'm terribly sorry, but I barely make enough to cover myself, how can I worry about Mr. X and his wife and 2.5 children? I have my own issues to deal with. If I have anything left over at the end of the year, that's mine to do with what I please. I'm sorry you don't have as good employers as I do (if any at all), but that doesn't mean I HAVE to give up any of my hard earned cash for you.

Posted by: lostcause227 | February 5, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

......

Some brilliant person wrote:

And who will those that already have insurance, like it, want it essentially left alone, and realize the government is incompetent vote for?

0000000

You're half right, the government under Republicans is incompetent and unable to govern, but I believe it is
by design. That way they can trash the economy
weaken the gov't and push more and more money to
the super wealthy, which is what is happening now.

Under Democrats the government runs a surplus annual
budget, tends in the last 30 years not to get us into
endless wars and the middle class grows.

But if you're against that, well I guess you like pain.

))))))))))))

Posted by: printthis | February 5, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

The article would have us believe that Obama is being a good guy, tacking the center, being all-inclusive in his approach to health care.

This is a reactionary move by the administration in the wake of the election of Scott Brown, not some altruistic, "right way" evolution. Had that election not occurred, Obama would have signed a really crappy health care bill. But Brown's election has FORCED them to re-open negotiations into a more bi-partisan version of health care that more people will hopefully approve of.

Bottom line: Obama should get no credit for this move to the center. Instead, thank the voters of Massachusetts, for they have FORCED Obama to a place he'd rather not have gone.

Posted by: boosterprez | February 5, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

So who will the Dems, Republics and Independents without health insurance vote for?

Posted by: mongolovesheriff | February 5, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

So who will the Dems, Republics and Independents without health insurance vote for?

Posted by: mongolovesheriff | February 5, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

President Obama deserves credit for pursuing health care reform legislation and recommending an open forum. Let's hope he's successful. But Republicans will be against anything that gives him a significant accomplishment.
I think it is also true that most conservative voters, and some independent voters, are not supportive because they are against extending coverage to 30 million people who don't have it, and don't see much in it for them. They already have theirs; why should others get it? Obama must force a successful vote on health care reform, and he will.

Posted by: dudh | February 5, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

So who will the Dems, Republics and Independents without health insurance vote for?
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And who will those that already have insurance, like it, want it essentially left alone, and realize the government is incompetent vote for?

Care to guess where the majority lies?

Posted by: websterr1 | February 5, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

make it public dammit. that's what was offered in the campaign. i want the repuke stalling tactics exposed for all to see.

Posted by: alarico | February 5, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

This sounds good. Better than abandoning it, anyway. Worth a try.

Posted by: clampson | February 5, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

If I remember correctly, IT was president Obama who was in the backroom when the dealwas made exempting the unions from paying their FAIR SHARE of the cadillac tax. So, the White House can hardly claim ignorance of backroom deals. Let us not even bring up the AARP and BigPharma deals made with the President that no one has the details on.

Shades of Dick Cheney, without the press outrage?

Posted by: Cornell1984 | February 5, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Do you really believe Odumbo would be honest? Sounds more like the messiah wants the serfs to come in, sit at his feet and let him read lies from his teleprompter to them.

I mean, the slug has been lying about the deficit he says Bush left him, but Odumbo's deficit is now ten times what it was at the end of 2007, after a year of democrat control of the congress.

All he can do is lie. If he tells the truth, there will be a rebellion in the streets.

Posted by: LarryG62 | February 5, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

So who will the Dems, Republics and Independents without health insurance vote for?

Posted by: mongolovesheriff | February 5, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"President Obama sketched out an alternative approach to passing health-care legislation that would enlist Republicans and potentially extend the congressional debate for months, but in an open forum that would allow the public to watch the process unfold."

President Obama finally gets it.

Posted by: etronsen | February 5, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like the DEMS are offering a version of Three Card Monty!

Posted by: Jimbo77 | February 5, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

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