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After the votes, a battle to frame health-care bill for the midterms

By Dan Balz
The polarized debate over health care moved into a new phase Monday, as Democrats and Republicans shifted their focus to the November elections and what could turn into a referendum on the most significant social legislation enacted in half a century.

"The real political battle over health-care reform begins after its passage," said Democratic strategist Chris Kofinis. "We can't let Republicans seize the message advantage here, as they did during last summer's "tea party" and town hall protests. For Democrats, it means we must take the initiative and aggressively sell this reform to the American people not for a few days, or weeks, but all the way through the election."

That will start Tuesday with a White House signing ceremony, even as the Senate takes up legislative changes designed to satisfy House complaints about the bill that was approved on Sunday. As Republicans prepare to campaign on a pledge to try to repeal the health-care measure, Obama and the Democrats will try to keep voters focused on the benefits of the changes, not the size, cost or complexity of the bill.

Health care will not be the only issue in the fall. The economy may loom larger by November than the heated debate that has raged for more than a year over Obama's health initiative. But health care will also become a proxy, say strategists in both parties, for the continuing debate over whether Obama's presidency represents a return to bigger and more intrusive government.

One measure of that came in a statement from Gov. Mitch Daniels (R-Ind.). Saying the measure will raise taxes and, contrary to projections, will add to the national debt, he said, "In a life of optimism about America and its future, this morning I am as discouraged as I can remember being."

Both parties confront new tests in the wake of Congress's action. Democrats must motivate and persuade voters who, for varying reasons, have been turned off by the long debate on Capitol Hill and by the president's policies. Republicans must show that their dire predictions about the impact of the health-care changes were real and not just the politics of fear and opposition.

Obama and party leaders face two challenges as they begin to sell the new health-care system. First, they must motivate a Democratic base that for months has been demoralized, lethargic and divided over whether the heath-care legislation lived up to their expectations for change.

Second, they need to win back many of the independent voters who backed them in 2006 and 2008 but who shifted sharply to the GOP in the off-year gubernatorial elections in Virginia and New Jersey and the special Senate election in Massachusetts two months ago.

Pollster Peter Hart argued that the most important priority will be invigorating the Democratic base, in large part because midterm elections are often dominated by activists on one side or the other and for months Republicans have been far more energized than Democrats.

"Unless they get Democrats interested in this election, they're going to get smoked," he said. "The most important things for them is to develop interest. I think a 'yes' vote and a Democratic victory helps to change that dynamic."

Hart cited results from a recent NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll showing that, among the most motivated voters, Republicans held a double-digit lead on the question of which party those voters plan to support in House elections next fall.

The president sought to link passage of the measure to his 2008 campaign when he spoke minutes after the House voted on Sunday night. "This is what change looks like," he said. That is a message designed to reassure voters who may have become disillusioned with his leadership, but he and other Democrats have more to do to win the public relations battle ahead.

Democratic officials believe that passage of health care will give Obama a boost in the eyes of the public. "Part of the test here at the end wasn't this policy or that policy," White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said. "It was, 'did he have the capacity to deliver?' That question mark around him and the presidency has been answered."

Based on historical evidence, any rise in Obama's approval ratings will have a direct effect on his party's success in the fall.

Republicans lost the battle over health care in Congress, but still believe they hold the high ground politically, especially in districts likely to be competitive this fall.

Public Opinion Strategies, a Republican polling firm, conducted a poll of people in the districts of 36 Democrats who voted against health care last November. In 2008, Republican John McCain carried 29 of those districts over Obama.

The findings showed 60 percent in those districts opposed to the health care bill and only 35 percent in favor. In addition, the survey showed that nearly half said they were strongly opposed.

A handful of the Democrats who had opposed the bill in November voted for it Sunday night. "I sure wouldn't want to be a Democrat who switches his vote from no to yes in one of these districts that McCain carried," said POS's Bill McInturff. "The intensity against the bill in these districts is stunning."

White House senior adviser David Axelrod said that, for all Democrats, passage lifts a potential burden. "If the bill had failed, every one of these candidate who voted for it would have been stuck with a caricature of the bill that would have been potentially politically debilitating," he said. "All these sky-is-falling predictions won't materialize."

Most of those Democrats opposed the health-care measure throughout the congressional debate, giving them some protection against the expected Republican assault on the measure. But they will be running into headwinds in their districts, unless Obama and his Democratic allies can move public opinion in the next few months.

In the morning-after analyses, at least one prominent Republican commentator questioned his party's strategy of outright opposition to the health-care bill. David Frum, who was a speechwriter for former President George W. Bush, said the health care debate amounts to the party's "most crushing defeat" in four decades.

Frum went on to argue that Republicans may be overly optimistic about their chances of major gains in November and said the GOP has only itself to blame for what has happened.

That is a distinctly minority view, however. "I don't think Republicans have miscalculated," said Carl Forti, a GOP strategist. " They played this extremely well and opposed the bill with success....While every bill may have a few positive things in it, overall this bill is a bad bill, and for the Democrats in GOP-leaning seats, it's going to be a vote that's hung around their neck like Hester Pryne and her scarlet A."

But, said Axelrod: "I think the debate shifts now. The issue for those talking about repeal is whether they're going to look the small business people in the eye or the children and say this was a horrible. I'm happy to have that debate."

By Dan Balz  |  March 22, 2010; 2:40 PM ET
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Maine has already gone through this with the passage of DIRIGO CHOICE health care, subsidizing 200% of the povertylevel and targeting sole proprietors, i.e. self employed.

The results are that the program got capped---enrollment is a tad over 9,000 leaving about 90,000 un or under insured. Costs a bit over $1,100/enrollee for a an insurance plan that mimics(presages) Obamacare.

State paid the administrating carrier a tad over $10m; and picked up 57% of the cost in subsidies.....that's roughly about $1,000 per enrollee annually. Subsidies are based on a sliding scale, etc.

Why capped?

Ran out of money under their bizarre funding formula; and private sector offered a better product than the state did at a lower price. Only 85% of people re-enroll.

One of the primary goals was to reduce costly E.R. Visits for the uninsured. Kaiser hospital statistics reveal that ER visits skyrocketed, obviously another huge failure.

Another was to reduce costs. Given the cost reimbursement squeeze between Medicaid(MAINECARE) and Medicare, and a state which has a $500m backlog of money owed to providers; a number of small hospitals are facing bankruptcy and cutting back staff.

Has Dirigo improved health care in Maine?...it was pretty good before and may have deteriorated because of a deadbeat Dem regime and a wussy Maine hospital association.

Has Dirigo improved the health of Mainers because of the coverage extended to those 9,000 people? Depends on who you talk too and what they are using to measure our health.

Are there better options?

For the Healthy middle of the population who works, health savings accounts and a high deductible is a good working combination that saves enough money to reduce the deductible.

For the really poor, weekend free clinics and CHIPS and 200% Medicaid seems to cover most healh needs.

For seniors, Medicare has huge gaps and holes...dental, hearing, eye glasses, nutrition, fitness clubs must all be paid for privately, and items like prescription glases with progressive lens and dental implants get expensive very fast. This group and the over 50, but not eligible for MEDICARE yet having chronic disease or illness symptoms are the ones with the greatest health care subsidy needs and losing the most to even routine care i.e. hypertension, dermatology, etc.
http://www.dirigohealth.maine.gov/Documents/Numbers_August09.pdf

Posted by: Common_Cents1 | March 24, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

No one has said anything about medical recipient's will they have to pay or do they still get Medical free. I work everyday to help build this Counrty Born and raised. We All that have done so end up paying for the one's who haven't and the one's who have are so tired of it all I could not walk in and get anything for free but I can work to Help build it so they can spend it we pay and they take hmmm! another way for them to figure out how they can take more, to Manipulate Us to force and to control.

Posted by: dl_towing | March 23, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

jameschirico - how can you think that the GOP has some traction with the voters on the issue of the deficit? If it's because you are thinking the public has a short memory and is susceptible to misinformation campaigns, then you may be on to something. If it's because you actually think the GOP has a good record with the deficit, then you need to go research the data.

Posted by: highland2 | March 23, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

pj24 - zip up, your racism is showing. This bill has nothing to do with welfare - we already have Medicaid in this country. It has to do with addressing the millions of hard-working Americans who cannot afford health care insurance because their employer doesn't offer it, and the 700,000 Americans who have health insurance but go bankrupt each year because the insurance companies deny their claims. Please don't speak about education when you clearly have no experience with it.

Posted by: highland2 | March 23, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

When George W Bush spent millions of dollars a day killing people in other countries and killing his own soldiers, republican supporters didn't say a word. When it comes to spending money helping people in the United States, republicans start complaining. I don't get the rational that our children and grandchildren will suffer. When George W Bush wasteed all those money, our offsprings had been destined to suffer.
And by the way,
When all the tea party members are WHITE, does it actually explain something?

Posted by: salukiindc | March 23, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Several posters have decried the requirement to buy health care insurance or pay a fine. I, too, wish that this provision was not necessary. However, think about it in the context of the no pre-existing conditions requirement.

If someone is permitted to game the system by coming and going just when they need coverage, premiums for those individuals will not equal the expense of their health care costs. For example, if a person only buys health care coverage for the 9 months of pregnancy, the premiums will not equal the cost for care of mother and child and delivery of the baby.

The costs for people jumping in and out of coverage when they need services must be either absorbed by the insurance carriers or passed on to other policy holders. I would prefer not to have my premium increased for those individuals who game the system in this way.

The methodology used in the legislation to prevent this sytem gaming is the requirement to carry coverage. If you have a better idea, I am certain that legislators of both parties would be interested.

Posted by: jdcolv | March 23, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm a Democrat. As a mattter of fact and history, Nancy Pelosi forced passage of the current Health Bill by literally not allowing any Amendment to be offered last Sunday. In truth the House passed the Bill in an Unamerican style. That is not a picture of our House's purpose is. Freeedom has power in our House, not a queen or king.

Posted by: gjsamuels1 | March 23, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

pj24

You are not arguing in favour of socialist education are you??

What gives anyone the right to force others to pay for education for others offspring? Besides, how can we trust the GOVERNMENT (remember they are that evil force out to enslave us) to take on this role?

Seriously many posters here are aghast at the idea that the government should demand that there should be compulsory health cover, but would also be up in arms if the government was to suggest that we scrap compulsory education.

It is the role of government to provide a base level of services in our society, whether this is in education, health or roads. An educated population is critical to our survival as a country, as is a population that is healthy and freed from the risk of financial catastrophe if they are struck down by illness.

Posted by: SWD2 | March 23, 2010 12:44 AM | Report abuse

I have finally worked out what the TEA in Tea Party stands for. After reading all the posts that support their ideas it is definitely They Ejaculate Alone!!

Posted by: SWD2 | March 23, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Our founders believed that everyone great and small should have the RIGHT to the PURSUIT of LIFE, LIBERTY, and HAPPINESS. The key word is PURSUIT. They knew that these things were priviledges, not given rights. No one has the right to be a drain on anyone else. But these ideas are contray to what this bill is saying. This bill regardless of what anyone thinks does one thing very clearly it tells everyone that they have the right to all these priviledges that others work so hard for. So if you believe that then you believe that the drug user who is on Welfair and ODs deserves the same level of health care that you have as a hard working person.

That is not what our founders fought for. They fought to give everyone the right to seak these priviledges.

Another thing to ponder is this. When we sacarfice the education of our children to provide universal health care it is a sad day. This bill is saying that John Doe Wellfare's and Jane Doe Wellfare's health is more important then our children's education. Just look at what has happened already. Funding for public schools have been cut again. Teacher's salaries have not be increased and the number of people going into the field of teaching has decreased. Parents now not only pay the school tax but they must pay a school bus fee if they want their child to ride the school bus to public school. This country has made the education of our children a joke and we will be paying for it in the near future. When this bill is in full effect sometime in the year 2018 it will be needed because this next generation will not be able to take care of itself due to a lack of education. How very sad.

Posted by: pj24 | March 22, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

This bill stinks on ice BECAUSE it extends TODAY'S health insurance.

People who have never studied economics miss the argument from word one: Insurance IS the problem!

Imagine insurance -- paying a monthly rate in exchange for heavily discounted or "free" provision -- with other products:
Gasoline.
Food.
Bubble gum.

I each case, as with health services, the same thing happens: Overconsumption. All the talk of "pools"

etc BREAKS DOWN COMPLETELY WHEN THE SERVICES ARE SOMETHING PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT.

Individual incentives to purchase only what is "worth it" are destroyed. Restless legs? Take a pill!

Power chair? Free from the Scooter Store! Is the value -- the benefit to the individual receiving it --

more than the cost? WHO CARES WHEN SOMEONE ELSE IS PICKING UP THE TAB!

Health insurance would WORK when it only covers things PEOPLE DON'T WANT:
Splenectomy yes. Chiropractry no.
Chemotherapy yes. Aromatherapy no.

Nobody sane wants "free" radiation therapy. So it's an insurable risk -- there is no INDUCED DEMAND

simply by being "covered."

It is the INDUCED DEMAND that's bankrupting the system. Drug companies know this -- they WANT "Insurance

for all."

Most health spending is palliative. This should be paid out-of-pocket -- preferable with pre-tax dollars

from Health Savings Accounts, which have been resoundingly successful and popular (eg. at Whole Foods,

Safeway, and the PUBLIC EMPLOYEES in Indiana). Catastrophic coverage would take care of those expensive,

nasty thing NOBODY WANTS.

Chronic conditions, especially congenital, should be subsidized out of compassion IMO.

By not addressing INSURANCE as ROOT CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM, this process, bill and law is a farce. That's

why it does nothing (per CBO) to reduce PREMIUMS or SPENDING. It only SHIFTS costs from employers the

government to taxpayers ... BUYING VOTES with TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

Real reform may come ... but this isn't it.

PS to the completely disgusting haters out there spouting "bigotry!" and "racism!" -- please be vocal this November: Your attitude confirms to sane people why "your side" will be tossed out in 7 months....

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Posted by: rritkonlyyou | March 22, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Wake up believers of our great creator and see Obama for what he truely is.

Posted by: dollar_bil2
==================================
Well, he can be the anti-Christ for all I care (not that I believe your claptrap). The fact is I might be able to hold on to my house and retirement if I get sick. Your Republican buddies could care less.

Any questions?

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Posted by: rritkonlyyou | March 22, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Contracts???

What are you talking about. The only people getting "contracts" are FAT CAT DEMOCRATS and their running dog lackeys.

We got a guy above you just a few posts telling us how good it's going to be when "a real brother gets elected".

Sorry, ain't gonna' happen in 10 centuries now. Obama has "queered the deal" eh!

Posted by: muawiyah | March 22, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Just to make it crystal clear I am not a racist, never was never will be.What I am is an observer of people as well as thier inner self.I do take pride in that fact and came to a very disturbing fact about this president.He is not who you think he is but only what he lets you see.If I may explain, in the Bible it is said that there will be three anyi-Christ who will walk amongst us to challenge our faith in our Lord.We have experianced two already, Napoleon and Hitler. The third anti-Christ will be borned in the western hemisphere.He will have a disguise like no other.He will have a large following who would dare to challenge anyone to question him.If questioned they will be tagged a racist.This third anti-Christ has learned from the times as how to sway those to his way of thinking.He will institute a plan causing the majority to believe he is right and our forefathers were all wrong.He will create a new form of government where his word is law.Those of the religious sect will be snubbed for they are unknowing of who they are dealing with.It takes but one voice to be heard,showing the world just who he is.For those who talk about being relgious are apparently blind to the teachings.If he were not the anti-Christ as I know him to be I would have voted for him.Lord knows we can't keep having the same race in the white house forever.Change is fine and I welcome it but this thing you voted for is not one of us.If there is but a flicker of light in your religious upbringing,go back to the Bible and see for yourself the truth of who Obama really is.Stated earlier of being an observer of people,I looked into Obama and could not find his soul.All there is in him is a really good talker nothing more.Will say anything you want to hear so he can riegn in your soul.Is any person on this earth worthy of handing over your soul to? Wake up believers of our great creator and see Obama for what he truely is.

Posted by: dollar_bil2 | March 22, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

CITIZENS OF AMERICA, PREPARE YOURSELVES FOR CIVIL WAR.
=========================
Fine. I assume you have thought this through. Good for you.

Have you made the necessary arrangements for your surviving relatives (spouse, children, etc.)? I understand a 12 gauge is not that effective against a Bradley tank.

Have you spent some time planning for the weaponry needed for your defense of the Republic? Refer to above.

And the necessary allies - I don't know much about insurrections, but I believe there is some minimum amount of support you will need from family, friends (and don't forget your drinking buddies).

And what is your plan of attack? I think taking on the White House may be foolhardy - you might want to consider a softer target. I'll leave that to you and your fellow patriots to decide, but you should give it some thought. And expect some heavy casualties; as you must know, anything worth defending involves some risk.

Oh yea, and please let us know how it turns out.

Then, afterward, you and your drinking buddies can avail themselves of some affordable health care, since I know you: a) probably don't have a steady job; and b) can't afford health insurance.

You're welcome.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | March 22, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Republicans show what happens when instead of participating in governance, they base their decisions, and lately even their speech patterns, on what radio call-in show hosts say. It has yet to dawn on them that these people will say anything to get ratings. They just want a few million people to care. That's enough to ensure big contracts for them. Not enough to win elections though.

Posted by: orrg1 | March 22, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

obama is not worried about the midterm elections.

He will just issue clubs to the black panthers, to intemadate voters, holder will not prosecute a black man.

32 million dead beats on the public dime.

at least the medicare and social security people paid into the system.

Posted by: rlkidd58 | March 22, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that even after approving the bill in question there are no more people covered by medical insurance today than there were last Friday, and there'll probably be even fewer covered people by next week due to more unemployment.

Democrats should have focused on jobs.

And we'd best see some jobs soon or the fatter ones among their number will find themselves on spits being roasted for dinner.

Posted by: muawiyah | March 22, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

REPUBLICANS DON'T CARE A RAT'S AZZ ABOUT HEALTHCARE. THEY JUST WANT TO SACRE PEOPLE INTO VOTING THEM BACK INTO THE WHITE HOUSE.

LET'S SEE HOW MANY IGNORANT AMERCANS FALL FOR THEIR SCARE TACTICS.

Posted by: unseenmirage | March 22, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

novemeber

is really

good vs evil

that was clear in the speeches on c-span yesterday

Posted by: ProCounsel | March 22, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

No was not heard in "can you hear me now?"

Closed business doors from the signing of the bill, through the APRIL 15 march on the DC mall declaring 'NO CONFIDENCE' asking the Oathkeepers to defend the US Constitution.

On Sept 9 the Oathkeepers will march on the mall delaring the orders they have received that they will not obey.
There are 10 indictments of treason they have been asked to carry out on American citizens.

Posted by: dottydo | March 22, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

So why do Democrats condone killing innocent babies right before he or she can take their first breath? A barbaric act. These are human beings full of potential that depend on adults for everything but are betrayed by them as their skulls are punctured, their brains sucked out and body parts torn off in piecemeal with forceps. It's too bad these human beings can't vote. Obama/Pelosi/Democrats would never have their corrupt vial butts in Washington. No apology needed, Neugebauer. It's those Criminals in the the White House and Congress and their ignorant selfish supporters that need to apologize and leave...

Posted by: Maxim49
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Yea, I'm ignorant and selfish because I want health care for 32 million of my fellow citizens.

By the way - not that you took the time to read it - but the health care bill specifically prohibits federal funding for abortion.

So relax - women will still only be incubators.

And, by the way, your rich buddies in the insurance industry will still make money hand over fist when they get 32 million new subscribers.

Best of both worlds for you, I would think.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | March 22, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

CITIZENS OF AMERICA, PREPARE YOURSELVES FOR CIVIL WAR.

THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. –That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it. . .”

Posted by: charlietuna666 | March 22, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Republicans, please run on the idea of repealing a bill that's already passed. Please waste the next 8 months whining and complaining about a bill that will already be law. In November, please tell grandma that you want to take away her prescription drug money. Please tell people with pre-existing conditions that you want to take away their new coverage.

I am a member of the Democratic base and I am now highly motivated to vote for my party, since this passed.

Please run on your true colors. You have no agenda other than hatred and rage.

Posted by: sslatten3 | March 22, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

With a victory under his belt and the elections still seven months away, I'd say there is plenty of time to explain the benefits of this bill to the American public and nullify any Republican challenge.

Of course, that depends on the Democrats putting together a coherent message - not their strong suit.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | March 22, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

"frame health-care bill"

It's been framed. IT's crap. Crap in = Crap out

No wonder why the crap that wrote it WON'T BE SUBJECT TO IT and had TO BRIBE AND GIVE SWEETHEART DEALS AND HIDE BEHIND LOCKED DOORS WITH CORRUPTION TO PASS IT.

NOVEMBER

Posted by: Maxim49 | March 22, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Right now on CNN:

For it 44%
Against it 40%
Not sure 16%

Posted by: greeenmtns | March 22, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

So why do Democrats condone killing innocent babies right before he or she can take their first breath? A barbaric act. These are human beings full of potential that depend on adults for everything but are betrayed by them as their skulls are punctured, their brains sucked out and body parts torn off in piecemeal with forceps. It's too bad these human beings can't vote. Obama/Pelosi/Democrats would never have their corrupt vial butts in Washington. No apology needed, Neugebauer. It's those Criminals in the the White House and Congress and their ignorant selfish supporters that need to apologize and leave...

Posted by: Maxim49 | March 22, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

thoreau refused to pay taxes to
support the war....
perhaps it is time to reread his
classic...

Posted by: simonsays1 | March 22, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

True victory will come in November, 2010.
When Pelosi and Obama suffer a humiliating defeat at the hands of the majority of the electorate!

Posted by: SeniorVet | March 22, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

any fool can make a rule, but only a fool with follow it'
henry david thoreau

civil disobediance

Posted by: simonsays1 | March 22, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

And... what referendum will the GOP run on?


Racists Bigoted Hate.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | March 22, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

That Waterloo prediction from the party of racist trailer trash turned out really well. Nice victory, President Obama.

Posted by: vztownes | March 22, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

16k IRS agents to ENFORCE government
mandated health insurance???
yikes!!!
where does the government knows
best end?
in 1984?
I think, making government subsidized
healthcare available to all, is a very
far cry from this. Or as candidate obama
said to hillary clinton 'You can't force people to buy health insurance'

Posted by: simonsays1 | March 22, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The majority of people already hate it.
Implementation will make people hate it more. This isn't going to be a good bill for a majority of Americans. 90% will be effected negatively with higher costs, higher taxes, and worse care. Rationing and long waits with higher taxes and costs.
That's what we get in CA with the Dems running the state. Higher taxes and costs and less in value. Same with the nation.
The Dems will be kicked out for their corruption, unconstitutional bills, and bribery. The Dems are just bad evil people. The most corrupt Congress and President ever. Watch the poll numbers go even further down. The liberal trolls are the most corrupt and evil people who are trying to destroy America as we know it.

Posted by: secjet1 | March 22, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Now that the bill is passed, every media outlet and political strategist is thoroughly going through it. They are bringing out points I did not even know of or had heard of prior to it's passing. For instance, republicans and conservatives, 35% tax break for small businesses that goes up to 50%. If I owned a small business, I would want a 50% tax break to offer my employees and MYSELF health insurance.

CNN pointed out this morning that the IRS is reporting larger tax returns this year due to tax incentives, TAX CUTS republicans and conservatives, in the Stimulus bill that NO republican elected official voted for. Sorry, 3 republicans voted for the stimulus bill. John Boehner and Michelle Bachman definitely did not.

One has to wonder what is the republican party doing in Washington. They are not looking out for the average American's interest. It truly seems they are defending the $250K and above, a year wage earners. They are the ones who will see taxes for high end health care plans and to help pay for the bill. Not saying that is fair but republican lawmakers are pulling the wool over people's eyes by not stating that over 90% of Americans will benefit from the bill as did they benefit from the tax cuts in the stimulus package.

Posted by: ajackson3 | March 22, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I bet Pelosi was smokin hot back in the day!!! She still has a tight little body. Imagine that at 25.......mmmmmmmmmmmmm Pelosi.

Posted by: DCFanatic | March 22, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

you know VA is one of the 4 states to refuse to accept this reform;;funny i hope OBAMA and the supreme court will refuse to allow VA to be a commonwealth;;commonwealth became illegal and unconstitutional w/ratification of the Constitution;;;;hummmmm;;and we still have 400 yrs of oppression

Posted by: bbccmm1 | March 22, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

The only thing more disturbing than the imbecilic shananigans of the members of the republican party is the nothing that "back home" there are presumably millions of constituents who belief that the histrionics of these republican clowns are somehow heroic.

It is at that point that I seriously convey my support for any bill that slices off a portion of the lower United States and gives it to the republicans so that they may create their own state. I have no doubt that their newly formed state would soon enough crumble under the weight of their own stupidity. But at least we would be free of their tyrranic reign of stupidity, bigotry, racism, and hatred in this country.

Posted by: GeorgHerbet | March 22, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

if this is going to cost 69 billion a year;;690 billion in 10 yrs;;in that same time we spend 1 TRILLION a yr for military;;that's 10 TRILLION in 10 yrs;;and tea-potters see nothing wrong w/that;;;we will meet you at the ballot !!

Posted by: bbccmm1 | March 22, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

This sham health-care bill will not influence my vote. What will be important to me is if I have a chance to vote for someone who will stand against (1) legalizing the illegals, (2) outsourcing, and (3) the H1-B boondoggle. But, where will I find that someone? Just about all our politicians are owned by the corporations who are quite willing to sell out ordinary citizens for a bit of money.

Posted by: rusty3 | March 22, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Okay Teabaggers, let's see you and the GOP repeal Obama's Healthcare Bill this coming November. Let's see you argue to take away lower costs for prescription drugs for the elderly, or reinstate the insurance company's pre-existing illness stance, or tell parents their 23 year old can no longer be on their insurance plan. Yea, let's see you do that Teabaggers! And then, let's see you get President Obama to sign your healthcare repeal. Go ahead folks, make our (Dems) day! Try it!

Posted by: logcabin1836 | March 22, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

What's it like to be on the Govt Dole? To be enslaved by the Govt? To be on the receiving end of Redistribution of Taxpayer Money? How does it feel to be USEFUL IDIOTS of the Liberal Socialist Totalitarian Party?


Posted by: jas7751 | March 22, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

The repeal plan has to include winning two thirds of the House and Senate in November so the Republicans can repeal the bill in 2011 and then over turn Obama's veto of the repeal by a two-thirds margin as required. If not, the repeal plan won't work or did they forget the President has to sign the repeal bill.

Posted by: interactingdc | March 22, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Democrats are going down in Nov. and 2012. We are on the edge of loosing our AAA world credit rating. If this happens Obama and the Democrats are washed up and as a depression will hit us all and there won't be a penny to pay for Obama services.

Posted by: 45upnorth | March 22, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

"they need to win back many of the independent voters who backed them in 2006 and 2008 but who shifted sharply to the GOP in the off-year gubernatorial elections in Virginia"
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I disagree with the assumption that a lot of independent voters went to the Republican side in the 2009 VA races. We saw only 39% turnout here and I can't believe there were a significant number of swing voters in such a small segment of the population. The GOP victory here was due principally to abysmal turnout. If they can keep voters away again, the GOP can win.

But my guess is that Democrats and swing voters will be fired up by this health reform victory, and in VA at least, they will be fired up by Cuccinelli's antics and they will show up at the polls. I think every time Cuccinelli opens a new front in his personal culture war against the modern world the Democrats get 10,000 votes in the next couple elections.

Posted by: squier13 | March 22, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Representative Randy Neugebauer is a puke.

Posted by: Genefox1 | March 22, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Sure, definitely all the people who suddenly find that they are no longer being denied coverage for pre-existing conditions or cut off from benefits when they are sick, or that they no longer have to worry about being bankrupted by 40 percent or more increases to pay for the insurance companies' million dollar executive bonuses, or that they and their families can afford to be covered for the first time in their lives are going to vote Republican out of protest against the new law.

Sure... of course... no doubt about it. Just ask John Boehner and Eric Cantor

Posted by: algasema | March 22, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

According to CBO, the new entitlement spending in the plan would cost $216 billion by 2019, and then increase by 8 percent every year thereafter. In other words, the president’s plan would stand up another health entitlement program that will grow much faster than the nation’s economy or revenue base. The changes the Democrats would make to the Senate-passed bill would make the entitlement program even more expensive.

Over a full ten years of implementation, the cost of the new entitlement spending would reach $2.5 trillion, at least, not the $1 trillion advertised by the White House.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 22, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I want to see
THE GOP

1. Try to repeal the PRE_EXISTING CONDITION CLAUSE
2. TELL PEOPLE THAT THEY CANNOT COVER THEIR CHILDREN __ tell people that little kids should die all for a REPUBLICAN "JESUS SAVES" CAUSE..

RIGHT - REpublicans kill - always

Posted by: racerdoc | March 22, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

Posted by: snowflower | March 22, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

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Here is a teabagger for you 3/19/2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgec9WX21ik

Too funny... you gotta watch.

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Posted by: A-Voter | March 22, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Just one question for the GOP:
What are you going to do without the Christian Sector?
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one thing about Christians. they are Christians. we never lost nor will we ever lose them. Christians recognize MURDER AS MURDER, be it in the womb or on a playground.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 22, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Now Barry, The Demagogue, has to go out and sell the Liberal Load of Lard Snake Oil to the American people.

LOL !!

Posted by: jas7751 | March 22, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

This bill is such a good deal, you get 16,000 new IRS agents to see that you don't miss out on it.

Posted by: saw1 | March 22, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgec9WX21ik

Too funny... you gotta watch.

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Posted by: A-Voter | March 22, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Representative Randy Neugebauer is a puke.

Posted by: Genefox1 | March 22, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama managed to get a bipartisan bill.
A bunch of Democrats voted with the Republicans against it.

Posted by: saw1 | March 22, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

The GOP has called it wrong again, sacrificing long-term political sustainability for a short-term blip in the polls.

Just as they were ultimately wrong in courting the Southern racist vote over Civil Rights. They thought that would be the Democrats' Waterloo, too. But Obama's election, a harbinger of electoral demographics in the decades to come, marked the moment when the Democrats stopped paying the temporary political price for Civil Rights and started reaping the permanent political benefit.

So it is on healthcare. The more time goes on, the more the old system will be generally acknowledged as incredibly stupid, cruel and wasteful. Further reforms will be instituted, and each will strengthen the Democrats' position.

The Republicans will be in the ridiculous position of arguing against each new Democratic health reform, while admitting that all the previous ones were actually a good idea - as they already admit with Medicare.

There will be no repeal. No-one in the GOP leadership seriously believes that, it's just fodder for their clueless base. Doesn't matter if they regain the majority.

Maybe the Democrats will lose in November, but so what? What is the point of clinging to power if you can't enact your agenda? The Democratic party has a mission: votes for all, healthcare for all, education for all, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. They accomplished a big chunk of that historic mission last night, the biggest chunk since Civil Rights. Like Civil Rights, it's worth taking a few short-term hits for.

Posted by: bourassa1 | March 22, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

What's it like to be on the Govt Dole? To be enslaved by the Govt? To be on the receiving end of Redistribution of Taxpayer Money? How does it feel to be USEFUL IDIOTS of the Liberal Socialist Totalitarian Party?


Posted by: jas7751 | March 22, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

THE GOP HAS TONS OF AMMO .THE COLORED HOUSE COMMITTE MAN THA MADE STATEMENT WE ARE MAKING THE RULES UP AS WE GO.SHUMMERS STATMENTS ABOUT HE COULD CARE LESS ABLOUT RELIGION LAW,OR THE CONSTITUTION.WE ARE IN POWER AND WILL DO WHAT WE WANT.THE ACTUONS OF OBAMA -REID AND PELOSI TRYING TO GET THE VOTES. BUT I AGREE THE KILLER WILL BE ECONOMY.THE PEOPLE WILL NOT REALLY CARE ABOUT THEIR 401 KS BECAUSE THEY ARE SO FAR UOT THAT NO SPIN WILL WORK.JOBS -JOBS AND JOBS. IF THE JOBS DO NOT DRASTICTLY COME BACK AND OBAMAS STIMULIS DO NOT BRING FLOODS OF JOBS .THE DEMS WILL REALY LOOSE.ANOTHER THING TO WATCH WILL BE GAS PRICES.IF THEY REALY GO HIGH ALL SUMMER AND INTO ELECTION.THAT COULD COST THEM EVEN MORE.THE ONE THING THAT WILL NOT WORK ANYMORE FOR UP COMING ELECTIONS IS BUSH DID IT.

Posted by: dagner49 | March 22, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Make the next election to be a referendum about Universal Nationalized Single Payer Health Care as they have in ALL European countries, Canada, Israel, etc. vs the for profit health insurance we have in US.

Let the Republican lunatics Republicrats (i.e., Liberman, etc.) run against Universal Nationalized Health Care and prove what lunatics they are, what enemy of the American (middle class) they are, given the FACT that under Universal Nationalized Single Payer Health Care every one wins except those who are getting paid $40Mill per year in salaries and flying in $50Mill corporate Jets and who are funding lying slime bags like Limbaugh, Beck, Fix news, Wall Street Journal, etc. to LIE and LIE to American people.

To be exact here are the incredible benefits of Universal Nationalized Single Payer Health Care:

1- Everyone will get health care for free, well free for the Taxes that WE PAY. So for the Governments right to Tax us, we have the right to health care. So this will SAVE a typical American family of 4 $18,000 per year in health care costs (premium + deductibles + co-pays, etc.)

2- NO more Americans will go bankrupt anymore due to health care costs, as 1Mill+ Americans go bankrupt each year due to health care costs now, just as ZERO Europeans, Canadians, go bankrupt each year due to health care costs because they already have Universal Nationalized Health Care.

3- Health care will cost the US Government (businesses & people) about 50% less than now, SAVING the US Government about $1Trillion per year, since again in ALL the European countries, Canada, etc. who have one form or another of Universal Single Payer Health Care, health care is costing about 9% of GDP vs health care currently costing the US Government, which means businesses & people, about 18% of GDP.

4- And on top of all that, Europeans have much higher life expectancy and other health stats compared to Americans, in fact US is ranked in life expectancy and other health care stats with the poorest of 3rd World countries, whom just like US do not have Universal Nationalized Health Care.

More on this fact here:
http://anoox.com/blog/UHC.37605

Posted by: RealNews1 | March 22, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Wanderer1313 wrote: "Gotta run, other duties call."

Time for the paid posters to go home!

Buh-bye! :)

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

The big defeat in the next election will be the Republican party for its behavior. We will be out to turn you out,you and Rush and all you nasty folks. We dont need you in this country. Go back to the hick towns you live in.

Posted by: 1set | March 22, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

If Republicans are smart, they will bring forth candidates who will pound the Democrats on entitlements, deficits, ignoring constituents, Democrat healthcare cloak and dagger, incorporating student loans in a government takeover, high unemployment which has yet to be addressed, unfunded government mandates upon the states, and finally, ignoring constituents.

Posted by: hared | March 22, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

QUESTION: How did health care stocks perform today, the first day of trading after reform passed Congress.

ANSWER: Health care stocks sky-rocketed today.

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what will happen in November, or what the short-term political ramifications of all this will be. But in the long term, today marks a catastrophic defeat for America's Republicans, a wound in the party's side that will fester for decades.

No country that has moved healthcare in the public direction has ever gone back. In all 30-odd developed countries with public healthcare, there is not one significant political movement asking to go back to a private system.

In all of Europe, Canada, Japan, Australia, there is no mainstream conservative party that advocates re-privatising health-care. Even among conservative voters, to do that would be political suicide.

In fact these countries' conservative parties are always at pains to reassure voters they love the public system as much as the left does. Thus in Britain, where an election looms, Tory leader David Cameron just promised to "ring-fence" the National Health Service from his proposed budget cuts. You see the same thing with the GOP protesting its love for the one piece of socialised medicine in the States, Medicare.
In all of history, including US history, there has never been a public health reform that didn't become hugely popular.

Throughout the developed world, "US-style healthcare" is a slur that politicians use to scare voters about their opponents' policies.

Americans too will come to remember the bad old days with horror, and to ask how anyone could have possibly opposed reform. The answer will be obvious - the influence of the insurance industry. One far-off day, that will even be taught in US high-school history classes.

The bad old days, when -- even if you could afford to pay -- you had to raise kids and grow old knowing that at any moment your life or your loved one's might lie in the hand not of a doctor, but of an insurance claims adjustor.

As for the Republicans, their only option will be to do what they do with Medicare today -- pretend they were for it all along and hope no-one remembers the truth.

Posted by: bourassa1 | March 22, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

"Democrats hid another $1.5 trillion by preventing the CBO from scoring the legislation’s hidden taxes. At present, when Congress takes money from workers and gives it to private insurers, the CBO counts that as a tax. The Obama plan’s “individual mandate” would force workers to give money directly to private insurers, which the president’s economic advisers admit is also a tax."

now they want to hide behind obama promised change, healthcare, etc.
well did they really know this was what he meant? even the ones who voted for him are appalled. many are speaking up and saying they will vote against obama come 2012 and will show that same sentiment in November.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 22, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

The Dems have a troubling sense of entitlement, that could cost us all down the road. It's a real problem, and I'm not sure what anyone can do about it.

Posted by: dcdude3 | March 22, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse


10% of the population, supposedly, is without health care. Many of those by their own choosing. Most that have health care are satisfied. So, the Liberal Socialist solution....Gut it entirely, institute Govt take over, Govt oversight, Govt Dictates, Spend Trillions, Bankrupt the Nation, Destroy our Medical Profession, Create a massive burdensome bureaucracy and give the IRS control to enforce it. All for the mystical 10%.

Arrogant Liberal Socialist Totalitarian Thinking!

LOL !


Posted by: jas7751 | March 22, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

While I support national health care, it is frightening to hear Nancy Pelosi compare this bill to other "historic" legislation, such as social security and medicare, two programs that are on the verge of bankruptcy and one of which has been raided by Democrats repeatedly to fund other spending.

Posted by: dan38 | March 22, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

"Democrats hid another $1.5 trillion by preventing the CBO from scoring the legislation’s hidden taxes. At present, when Congress takes money from workers and gives it to private insurers, the CBO counts that as a tax. The Obama plan’s “individual mandate” would force workers to give money directly to private insurers, which the president’s economic advisers admit is also a tax."

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 22, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Gotta run, other duties call.
Rebuild the Republic!

Posted by: Wanderer13 | March 22, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

The no. 1 issue will be jobs, No. 2 will be healthcare, No. 3 the war, No. 4 the deficit. On 1 & 4 the GOP has some traction with the voters, on 2 & 3 the Dems. The GOP health care plan was a failure but had 2 good components not taken up by the Dems, tort reform and health savings accounts proven winners in TX and IN. For the passed Dem plan to work they will have to increase payments to doctors turning the deficit reduction into an increase for the first 10 years without limiting profits by providers and pharma. The largest portion of health expenses are hospitals/testing facilities, then insurers, then practicioners, then pharma, then home use equipment. The private public pays 1/4 of all cost, the gov't 3/4 taking most of the higher cost patients in medicare/medicaid (1 trillion a year) and covering gov't employees. The adding of 16 million to medicaid has states increasing their payment portion but not as much as they think. The influx of new high cost patients to medicaid will slow significantly (pre-existing bankruptcies don't end up on medicaid). Medicare people entering while healthier will also live longer increasing that cost offset a little by administrator cutbacks. The money spent on wellness and childhood obesity will be paid back tenfold in lower lifetime costs. The problem with the for profit system is end users, medicare/medicaid and insured reaching their deductible pay nothing toward the costs without a care about definitely needing a high cost test. HSA's in IN have a different result, doctor can a generic do as well, I'll pass on the $1000 MRI to be sure. With low reimbursement to doctors, we actually pay more overall. Doctors warehouse patients in quick production line treatments relying on tests instead of diagnostic ability they were taught in Med. school. For many the rates are so low they lose money even warehousing and refuse medicaid patients. Up the payments to GPs/nurse practicioners, cut the unneeded test and the cost curve bends downward. Medical advances make usually for more expensive treatments (stem cells, genetic testing etc) and longer lifespans increasing costs. The French No 1 on the U.N. rankings have to pay 10% of treatment costs with a max cap.

Posted by: jameschirico | March 22, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

"The ...[block delete to remove hate email]....Bigots.

Posted by: mawt"

I can see where free mental health services might appeal to you, but where does the Constitution authorize the government to do so (with tax money)?

Posted by: Wanderer13 | March 22, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

The U.S. Congress has taken their votes.........

......NOW the U.S. Citizens/Taxpayers/Voters WILL take their own VOTE !!!

The Three Stooges, aka Barry, Harry and San Fran Nan can count on it !!!

Posted by: thgirbla | March 22, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Democrats Care!
Republicans Don't!

Posted by: lunetrick | March 22, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats have to sell this scam to the public? What is there to sell, Obama and Pelosi? According to you and all of the rest of the liberals posting on WaPo, the public wanted this!

Posted by: mrhonda | March 22, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

The Pee Party, Racist Right Extremists and the Born Again Idiot Bigots urinating Hate, Ignorance, Intolerance and Stupidity everywhere they go. You know the Flea Baggers are Idiots when they want America to go back to the 17th Century with their stupid triangular hats, open carry guns, old flags and ancient prehistoric ideas. No, Flea Baggers, women don't only belong in the home, but they can compete in the workplace. This is not an Idiotic Islamic retarded country. Women and every person in this country have rights. So, carry your Guns in your Mouth, Pee Brain Idiot Creepy Cowards.

Only Cowards and Criminals need to cling and worship their Guns, Pro Life Killers.

Is it amazing how violent, disgusting and disgraceful these Born Again Idiot Bigots can become. They must learn it every Sunday at their Churches of Hypocrisy.

Fart Stupid and the Moron Cons should have been aborted along with the Guns Owned Party of Born Again Bigots, Fairy Tale Based Hypocrite Frauds, Pro Life Mass Murdering Serial Killing War Criminals and the National Right to Annihilate Gun Clinging Cowards. The RetardiCon Party of NO are full of Hypocrite Idiot Bigots.

Posted by: mawt | March 22, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgec9WX21ik

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Posted by: A-Voter | March 22, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

So,wonder what our new Communist Troika of
Comrade Dictator from Kenya Barack Obama,
San Francisco Commie Nutcase Nancy Pelosi,
and Sleazy Steny Hoyer will try to destroy
next after they demolished our healthcare
system? Oh almost forgot they did hava a little help from Comrade Dingy Harry Reid
and Dirty Dick Durbin and the rest of the
Congressional Communists as well.......

And so,yep you betcha after Election 2010
the new Republican Controlled Congress will
start work on repeal of Obamacare coupled
with Impeachment of Barack Hussein Obama,
and Expulsion from Congress for Comrades
Pelosi,Hoyer,Reid and Durbin. Yep you betcha as our next president Sarah Palin,
who we will elect in 2012,must be glad to
see Obama,Pelosi,Biden,Hoyer,Reid and Durbin helping make her 2012 Election a real shoe in as well. Take Back America!

Posted by: KarenKay2009 | March 22, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I think the Republicans have suffered a very ignominious defeat. I think that a lot of people are going to be saying to their doctor "I really hate that I am about to lose you", and will be getting a response of "No you won't. Your benefits may change a bit, but I will remain your doctor". That will be only the beginning of the bad news for the Republicans. Once people start taking a closer look and seeing benefits where they did not expect them and finding no horrors where they expected them, the Republican's stock will really begin to fade.

The Republicans campaigned against this as a big-government takeover of health care. It isn't and it never was. Had this bill failed, they would have claimed that they had defeated such a thing. But now everyone is going to come face-to-face with that which they feared, and will often find it to be less than fearsome. That is what will be the undoing of the Republican position.

I am not going to say that this is the end of the story. The Democrats are hardly out of the woods. Health care reform is done, and now it is time to move on to the other business of the nation which has been neglected in the meantime. How and how well they tackle that, and even more importantly how the economy does will be major issues shaping everyone's opinions come Election Day.

Let's just say that I wish the Democrats well. I am sick of the total hypocrisy of the Republicans: The self-declared party of fiscal responsibility and yet which has failed to balance a budget in over 50 years. The party which is supposed to keep us safe and yet which has through Abu Ghraib and Gitmo has helped to create new terrorists. As best I can tell, their big reason for opposing health care reform this time was to recreate their success of 1994 by stopping it. May they reap the just rewards of their insincerity.

Posted by: ems57fcva | March 22, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"How's that hopey-changey thing workin' out for ya?"

Pretty goddamned well, Sarah. Thanks for asking.

Posted by: bourassa1 | March 22, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

this is not a "moderate" bill altho that is what this administration would have you beleive but when you read between the lines you will see this bill is a disaster: the majority of money that we will be required to immediately pay into will go to special interests and selective few and we will not reap anything from it for a very long time. additionally, the burden of illegals just got more severe now that they know that whenever they face major surgery, etc, they can hop the un-manned border and roll right into any hospital who must serve them.
i agree with you Jessie, and many people have really overlooked this. some of the people right here supporting this think they are going to get free health care immediately - - that's how uninformed they are.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 22, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

When you go gunning for the king, better make sure to get him. Now that the Republicans have failed, they're in a pickle, at least for a while.

For the past year, they've allowed the Tea Party to set their agenda. Now the screamin' wingnuts are demanding that Republicans call for repeal. I think that's an electoral loser. The polls showing opposition to "health care reform" reflected public distaste for the messy battle. When it comes to the specific provisions, the public supports them. Moreover, once the "Ts" have been crossed and the "Is" have been dotted, most people are going to want their politicians to calm down and try to make it work.

But not the Tea Party. They'll continue to scream their heads off, and because the Republicans depend on them for votes, they will have to keep calling for repeal. I think that'll be a losing tactic this fall, and in 2012. But internal political realities will force the Republicans to stay in that corner.

Forgive me for feeling a little like the Japanese feudal leader in the James Clavell novel, Shogun, who meditated for a couple nights on the screams of the English sailor being boiled alive. Tea Party, keep wailing. Has anyone told you how beautiful you sound?

Posted by: MagicDog1 | March 22, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Nobody will want to vote for the party who have demonstrated they should be put in straight jackets in a rubber room.

Posted by: Wadsworth1 | March 22, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"Hate to agree with that poster but that is how the republican party is coming off perception wise. Angry old white men who are pissed off that a minority is president and are looking for any excuse to vent against him. Heathcare, his citizenship, it does not even matter. Remember the old white lady that called him an arab at McCains political rally. Remember the good old boys from Palins who wanted to kill him for being a terrorist. You think those people just disappeared from the face of the earth? No they were the ones at healthcare town hall meetings carrying guns. Hoping any minority even looked at them wrong. I know, the only racist you know are the minority ones who point out the angry white people.

Posted by: ged0386"

You are sadly misinformed.

White, black, red, yellow and brown people oppose government-run health care; possibly because of previous experience with the DMV, the IRS, the DOJ and various other agencies. Try Googling the YouTube video where Keith Olbermann decries the color of the Tea Party people - and the Dallas group invites him to their next meeting. Only one of the Dallas group inviting him (on camera) was white - and Olbermann failed to attend, showing what a racist bigot he really is.

I am unaware of some old lady calling Obama an arab - but that just illustrates one person's ignorance, as mavisdarling's post did. I am also unaware of someone from Alaska calling Obama a terrorist - are you sure that they weren't Middle Easterners? At least they MIGHT have an argument to make there.

The guy carrying a rifle at a town hall meeting last summer was black - the photographer did not show his face for a reason - it doesn't reinforce the stereotype of angry, loner white men.

I don't really know many racists - my campus is full of people from all over the world. White, red, brown, black, yellow - every shade and nationality. I do know plenty of aggrieved progressives, who feel that their wisdom and genius aren't being appreciated - and who deserve to lead because their superior wisdom and virtue entitle them to do so.

[Bonus question; which University (where) do you think I attend, where all these nationalities have come together (not a Northeast or West Coast school?) Why are they here?]

But given that we've just piled another entitlement program on top of our sadly-empty Treasury, "superior wisdom and virtue" are yet to be demonstrated. And the upcoming tax increases (billions of dollars! Fines on top of that!) aren't going to hurt the Vanderbilts and Rockefellers anywhere near as much as they'll hurt the Sanchez's, Lings and Logans of this world.

If you are so hot to help the poor and uninsured, why are you going to tax them to death to pay for health care reform?

Posted by: Wanderer13 | March 22, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

most of cnn's viewership is democrat and CNN polls at 59% disapproval.

media with diverse/cross section of viewers show a higher disapproval rate, but i quoted cnn's to give u an idea that if CNN polls this at 59% then you can only imagine just how angry people really are.

219 individuals on Capitol Hill does not outnumber the millions against this bill and it will be the millions who make the decision in november not the 219.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 22, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Welfare America where the few support the many! What a p.o.s .bill that congress was bribed to pass. I keep hearing "this is not a perfect bill , but it is better than nothing. " I wish my boss would buy that argument about my work. Fire them all.

I called my Congressman , Larry Kissell 8th district, North carolina , and thanked him for his vote against healthcare, then I informed him that I wouldn't be voting for him in November as I believed that the Democratic party is ruining this Nation.

Maybe he will switch parties.

Posted by: rlkidd58 | March 22, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

41% Favor
54% Oppose
5% Undecided

If we break these figures down a bit, I would guess:

Favor:
15% understand the bill's key provisions and approve (I put myself in this category, with some reservations)
5% understand the provisions, approve on the balance, but would have preferred a public option
21% Understand little and support the bill for purely partisan reasons

Oppose:
15% understand the bill's key provisions and oppose
15% understand the provisions, oppose because they strongly preferred a public option
24% Understand little and oppose the bill for purely partisan reasons


On this issue, the Republican electoral math for November will depend on keeping their 29% (knowledgeable and ideological opponents) motivated to vote.

The Democrats have the harder task of luring back the "public option" hard-liners that they have dissappointed and keeping their less passionate supporters motivated.

On the whole, the bill is moderate and well-reasoned policy.
An amost unimaginable outcome given the political realities!

Posted by: fentonriley | March 22, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama: Yes we can!
Boehner: Hell no you can't!

Which slogan would you prefer to run on this fall?

Posted by: JHigginss | March 22, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I agree nychapp44. Also on this bill he's letting all the illegal immigrants on this. Why should we let someone that's not even supposed to be in our country in on this.

Posted by: jessie131249 | March 22, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

there exists a real possibility republicans when in charge in 2012 will force an investigation into obama's past and declare him a usurper. on that authority alone many of these unspeakable acts he has convinced some of you of will be overturned and wiped off the books.

i beleive election results in 2012 will take care of obama's healthcare wishes for 2013.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 22, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I agree ChooseBestCandidate.

Posted by: jessie131249 | March 22, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

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Here is a teabagger for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgec9WX21ik

Too funny... you gotta watch.

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Posted by: A-Voter | March 22, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Just one question for the GOP:
What are you going to do without the Christian Sector? Don't know if you can lie to them much longer....but what do I know?

Your stonewalling of this Health Care Reform Bill the way you have, your history as far as the immediate needs of the poor, elderly, infirmed, addicted, and that little fact that you've given full reign of Congress several times over the course of the past 40 yrs. with not one (1) budget barring funding for the barbaric practice of abortion doesn't speak well of your spirituality.

Any trully spiritual person will tell you that one's faith will move them in all aspects of their lives. To properly represent your Christian Constituency, one needs to be open to guidance from the Spirit. Your actions have not revealed a Christian or Spiritual Caucus, rarely have, regardless of what you've said during campaigns.

Going through with more battle over Health Care Reform only depicts rancor and hatefilled hearts to me.

Here again, what do I know, but I'd take your pulses for sure, I think you are dead spiritually.

Posted by: alaskansheilah | March 22, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

To be honest, I think an important battle, and significant change, has been WON. Do I really care about hell-bent-for-leather conservative Republicans, whose ideology is now an artifact of failure and shows no promise for the future, and whose record of achievement has been nothing for years, in the next election? No, I don't. But I'll be rewarding Obama and the Democrats for whatever they can do, as our elected government, for the American people, for jobs and opportunity, for the future, until November. Get real!

Posted by: dudh | March 22, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Obama is not his minority race it is his minority in brains and his lying that is hurting us. He is an insult to our collective intelligence. The cost of this government takeover of our Health Insurance system by an inept government is tragic. They admit they have dropped the ball on Medicare and Medicaid, which are out of control like two runaway trains, about to become a wrecks, so what does he do, he adds to the problem. He is also guilty of lying about the deficit reduction part. If he had cut $500 billion out of Medicare over 10 years and did not spend it somewhere else he would have decreased the deficit. However, if he cuts Medicare spending by $500 billion and takes the $500 billion that would have reduced the deficit and spends it on the government takeover of Health Insurance in his bill he have done nothing to the deficit. Do you see what I mean about Obama being short on brains? The great one also did not include the money that Congress will be giving to physicians shortly, as they do every year without fail, to the mix. The Doctors fix will increase costs and will not reduce the deficit. He knows it is going through. Without giving money to the good doctors they will stop taking new Medicare patients. Most of the good doctors do treat Medicaid patients because they are not paid appropriately for their services. This new bill will make being a doctor a second class profession.

Posted by: nychap44 | March 22, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

If this doesn't work out its going to be our children and grandchildren that have to suffer!!

Posted by: jessie131249 | March 22, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

"Hate to agree with that poster but that is how the republican party is coming off perception wise. Angry old white men who are pissed off that a minority is president and are looking for any excuse to vent against him."
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just my opinion, but i think you risk a coming off as either stupid or a liar or perhaps uninformed.

for example, how do you make this a REPUBLICAN problem when you have so many democrats who oppose this? that's only one issue.

another example, how do you explain that so many people among YOUR democrats had to be bribed in order to get their yes-votes? that's just one issue.

another example, how do you explain the majority of the population who are against this? are the majority of the population all republicans?

how do you explain a bill causing trillions will not cost taxpayers anything? do you really, really buy that?

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 22, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Leave it to a homo lefty to know what a teabagger is.

Posted by: gorams1 | March 22, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

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Here is another teabagger for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1Z-5dHGKw4

I dare any of you to tell me they are NOT crazy!

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Posted by: A-Voter | March 22, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Can we move on to jobs and let the Heathcare reform bill either prove itself as good or bad. If its bad, democrats will pay the price politically and republicans can amend or even repeal it as soon as they get the votes. But in the meantime lets move on to the next issue. We spent too much time debating this one.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 22, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse


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Here is a teabagger for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgec9WX21ik

Too funny... you gotta watch.

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Posted by: A-Voter | March 22, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"Obama’s campaign promise of change left out the bit about its being change in which those who think they know what’s good for us pass a law that most of us oppose with a passion."
Tunku Varadarajan, Real Clear Politics.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 22, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Wanderer13

Hate to agree with that poster but that is how the republican party is coming off perception wise. Angry old white men who are pissed off that a minority is president and are looking for any excuse to vent against him. Heathcare, his citizenship, it does not even matter. Remember the old white lady that called him an arab at McCains political rally. Remember the good old boys from Palins who wanted to kill him for being a terrorist. You think those people just disappeared from the face of the earth? No they were the ones at healthcare town hall meetings carrying guns. Hoping any minority even looked at them wrong. I know, the only racist you know are the minority ones who point out the angry white people.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 22, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

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Here is a teabagger for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgec9WX21ik

Too funny... you gotta watch.

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Posted by: A-Voter | March 22, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

This piece and of other political media jabbers is a testament to the narrowness of their collective point of view. By November, voters will be thinking of other issues like the economy and jobs if the recession is continuing. They will have forgotten the demoguery that characterized the Republican obstructionist campaign. They will be listening to and believing the benefits to come that the Democrats will be talking about now until the elections. Such is memory and fickleness of the electorate.

One should also know that the Republican launched identical campaigns against Medicare, Medicaid, and Civil Rights. By identical I mean word for word lies about the programs and word for word doomsday speeches.

The sky didn't fall then and its not going to fall this time, either.

Mr. Balz: you and your media colleagues should a little more attention to history and less attention to sensationalism.

As for me, I have decided that in my next life I want to be a media jabber. I will be paid a lot for saying whatever I want to say even if it is not true. And, most important, I will have no responsibility for what I say.

Remember, Mr. Balz and his colleagues were not required to vote yesterday.

Posted by: pbarnett52 | March 22, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

CNN POLL
do you generally favor it or generally oppose it?
Mar 19-21
2010
Favor 39%
Oppose 59%
No opinion 2%
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so spin it to convince yourselves.
but this is ScottBrown reality.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 22, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Republicans you had your chance to pass healthcare reform during the Bush administration. Remember Plan B? But it did not help americans, it just gave a new customer base for insurance companies. If you could afford it. But at least you could say it was very capitalistic.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 22, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

" All the opposition has is angry fat old white people .....

Posted by: mavisdarling "

RACISM! HORRIBLE, MEAN-SPIRITED RACISM! The Post is publishing evil, sizist, ageist, racist hate-mail!

But then, it labels the sender more than the object of the hate. It therefore serves as a good illustration of certain mind-sets. Do write again, mavisdarling!

Posted by: Wanderer13 | March 22, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Hurrah Democrats! The big-tent party! Toward a more perfect Union! Health care, a right of all Americans, including the unborn! I am very, very impressed by the balanced outcome of this long year of debate!

Respectfully,

F.M.

Posted by: Felipe_M | March 22, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

It's way too soon to have a referendum on the bill, it hasn't even been implemented yet!

It is, however, a great time for a referendum on the process. Will voters support incumbents who represent racism, fear, dishonesty, corruption, hypocrisy, and a "to he11 with the american people" attitude or will they support incumbents who want everyone to have access to health care, who recognize that the health of a society depends on the health of it's people, and that healthcare should not be a privilege.

It will be interesting to see who slings mud, engages in hyperbole, lies, distorts, and whips up the racist passions of the ignorant.

Posted by: greeenmtns | March 22, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

jessie131249

The people did vote, Nov 2008. You seem to want to forget that. The next vote will be Nov 2012. Wait your turn. Reality is some americans did not want a minority president and are angry that we have one but dont have the balls to say it and now they have a policy based excuse to hide behind their true reasons for disliking Obama. They have been making up reasons since he was elected like he is a terrorist, he is not really an american he is a socialist and a nazi. Now they have a new one. He passed health care reform. My advise to republicans, dont get mad you had the power opportunity to prevent Obama from being president and the democrats from having the ability to garner enough votes to pass their policies simply by doing your jobs better when you were in the same position. But you followed George, Dick, Karl and Rush down the road to your political demise and now you are angry at the democrats for having the gall to actually take over power as a result and dare pass policy that may actually help someone besides the people passing it? Get mad at yourselves, Your arrogance and incompetence as leaders led to you being in this position of minority in government.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 22, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Thank you sr31. I agree

Posted by: jessie131249 | March 22, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

not the lowest but the fastest loss of approval rating.
Sorry

Posted by: jessie131249 | March 22, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to Speaker Pelosi and President Obama. This was a signature accomplisment and a brilliant piece of legislative gymnastics. This is a goal that has been chased since Teddy Roosevelt and it finally got accomplished through the will and adept manuvering of a female speaker and black president. I think that has incensed the old boy GOP and their Limbaugh lemmings more than anything else.

Posted by: HP11 | March 22, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm not paying a nickel into this "mandate." Gonna wait till I get sick. The penalty is what, $7,000? Cheaper than premiums.

The rest of you baby-killers can pay premiums and suck it up. They won't even care if I have a pre-existing condition!
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"wait till I get sick"...??? You already are, friend, and you need a good psychiatrist. Fortunately, you don't have to worry anymore about a preexisting condition.

Posted by: sr31 | March 22, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Well its been a year now mavisdarling and you know what he's the first president to have this much loss of approval rating. He's at 48% now less than half. What a nice record to be known for.

Posted by: jessie131249 | March 22, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Well its been a year now mavisdarling and you know what he's the first president to have this much loss of approval rating. He's at 48% now less than half. What a nice record to be known for.

Posted by: jessie131249 | March 22, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Well its been a year now mavisdarling and you know what he's the first president to have the most loss of approval rating. He's at 48% now less than half. What a nice record to be known for.

Posted by: jessie131249 | March 22, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Must be after 5 o'clock in DC. All the paid posters have gone home!

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm.... so let me see if I get this right: When a Republican is in office, Deficits don't matter. But, when a Democrat is in office, Deficits DO matter.

Gee Republicans, HYPOCRISY much??


Posted by: austininc4
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I think you missed the point. Republican voters abandoned fiscally irresponsible candidates/officeholders in droves in the last two elections. And they don't like the same behavior any better when it's under the Democrat label. Two wrongs don't balance the checkbook.

Posted by: SavingGrace | March 22, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Dems are going to sweep up in next fall's elections (again).

But that's only part of the story.

For every election between this year and 50 years from now, voters are going think of Republicans as the party that tried to kill universal health coverage -- the same way even most Republicans think of them as a racist party for opposing civil rights legislation 50 years ago.

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Balz and all the political strategists in the country are wrong in trying to sell the November elections as a fight over health care. That fight should be over. What's done is done, and any further discussion about health care should be focused on improving, not repealing, the legislation what was passed yesterday.

Instead of allowing the Republicans to frame the 2010 elections (as they have framed every recent election), the Democrats should continue to proceed with enacting legislation that will serve the best interests of the American people. All of our legislators should be addressing unemployment, financial reform, immigration reform, climate change, and foreign affairs. We don't have time for this protracted fight over health care.

Our legislators need to stop running for office in the next election from the moment they are elected in the last one -- they need to do, instead, the work for which they were elected to do.

The MSM is once, again, trying to misguide, instead of to inform, the people of this county. And you, Mr. Balz, and your paper are among the worst of those who do this.

Posted by: marmac5 | March 22, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm not paying a nickel into this "mandate." Gonna wait till I get sick. The penalty is what, $7,000? Cheaper than premiums.

The rest of you baby-killers can pay premiums and suck it up. They won't even care if I have a pre-existing condition!

Posted by: drumcrn1 | March 22, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse


The cost (and cost growth rate) of the current US healthcare system was unsustainable.

Total annual healthcare costs per capita (total population)
2007
United States $7,290
Norway $4,763
Switzerland $4,417
Canada $3,895
France $3,601
Germany $3,588
United Kingdom $2,992
Japan $2,783

Total public (tax funded) annual healthcare costs per capita (total population)
2007 % 0f Total
Norway $4,005 84%
United States $3,307 45%
France $2,844 79%
Germany $2,758 77%
Canada $2,726 70%
Switzerland $2,618 59%
United Kingdom $2,446 82%
Japan $2,261 81%

Total Health Care spending as a percentage of GDP
2007
United States 16%
France 11%
Switzerland 11%
Germany 10%
Canada 10%
Norway 9%
United Kingdom 8%
Japan 8%


The two political parties have wasted most of the past year
The Democrates were too focused on an unneccessry "public option"
The Republicans made a (very nearly correct) political calculation that they would gain from inhibiting any bill.

Luckily, the moderate Senate bill has passed.
The bill is not a cure-all, and several structural flaws will have to be adressed. However, the bill takes the most important steps towards achieving necessary objectives
1) reduced costs (particularly the rate of growth)
2) Broader coverage/risk spreading

With what we pay for healthcare, we should be recieving care at least as good as care in Canada.

On average, each of us already pays more in healthcare taxes than the average Canadian!
This demonstrates that the public portion of our healthcare system is in need of reform AND that the private system is shifting costs onto the backs of taxpayers (by driving the sickest patients out of their plans).

Ironically, the average American also pays more for private coverage (covering

Next steps (partly implementation of the current billl and partly future changes needed:

1) Decrease the obscene amount of money we spend on the administration of healthcare. Paperwork accounts for more than 50% of our costs, 25% should be the absolute maximum in this highly efficient information age.

2) Decrease the number of perverse incentives that reward unneccessary procedures and discourage preventive care.

3) Tort reform. Decrease both direct costs (lawyer's profits ) and the much more costly effect driving excessive testing and defensive treatment strategies.

Posted by: fentonriley | March 22, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

20% unemployment 1 trillion to cover 10% cheap wages,housing flat or worse.What to run on?

Posted by: jmounday | March 22, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

jessie131249: Calm down dear, before you blow a gasket. The people DID vote. They voted for Obama. Obama was elected president fair and square. Obama has now fulfilled his #1 campaign promise, in just over a year. He delivered the goods, just like he said he would. Pretty impressive, actually.

And you know what? Obama will be RE-elected because the other side doesn't have a single solitary soul who can hold a candle to that man. Period. All the opposition has is angry fat old white people who don't know how to behave nicely in public. Maybe that's enough to make gains in Congress, but it's not enough to oust our president.

Posted by: mavisdarling | March 22, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

That's an awful long distance to ride a dead horse on.

Posted by: Nymous | March 22, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

If Dems can pass health care reform and then clean up Wall Street and pass one more jobs bill, they'll sweep up in November.

I'm open to voting for Republicans who solve problems, but right now I don't see any.

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Publish how much money lobbyists fund Reps. who voted against the bill.

How does the definition of family values allow a system where people have to get divorced to get healthcare, or little kids have to go without food, clothing, shelter, and PARENTS because the current system priced them out, forced them into bankruptcy, or let them die while ins. middle management on up went to golf tournaments, and let the underlings at the 800 numbers to their dirty work and deny people coverage.

Thank you Madame Speaker!

Posted by: BallyJamesDuff | March 22, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"Balz and other political reporters who think the mid-term elections may be a referendum on the health care bill are wrong. Most people are tired of politicians in both parties, including Obama, trying to gain partisan advantage from this issue.

Read the lips of a hundred million people in this country: W E N E E D M O R E J O B S . This will be by far the most important issue. You're welcome.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent"

Actually, I think you're both on the same page. Balz says people will vote based on the healthcare bill, you say they'll vote based on jobs. I say you're both right.

As more and more small businesses get their plans reviewed, they will discover their plans don't meet the federal guidelines - and the new ones will cost much more. Those who are over 50 employees (the magic cutoff) will look longingly at their competitors with less than fifty, who don't have to comply with the federal requirements. They may even choose to trim payroll to get below 50 employees, and avoid the costs of compliance.

Those who are under 50 employees will look really hard at hiring a 49th, 50th or 51st employee - since the penalties for "getting it wrong" on health insurance coverage are so steep. Maybe they can get along without hiring another guy or gal?

You're both correct, the voters will be voting on both healthcare reform and jobs - it just may not be how the legislators intended.

Posted by: Wanderer13 | March 22, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

bluetiger

You are right, we are the same people that vowed to never watch another NFL football game if Michael Vick was reinstated. If the republicans want to keep HC reform as an ongoing issue for the next year let them. Its a gamble because we do have a short attention span and if the bill actually shows positive results then they would have wasted their time on an issue that outside of their own party faithful would have moved on. What Obama should do now is move full steam ahead on the next issue and the next one so the republicans cant keep up. Make them chase you the rest of your term trying to campaign against all of your policies at the same time. Imagine, an anti HC Reform ad, Anti Immigration bill ad, anti energy bill ad and an anti Jobs creation bill ad and campaign all at the same time. Force the republicans to work for the people on issue, not campaign against them.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 22, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

As a western European citizen, I'm deeply shocked by the poor level of criticism against the Health Bill.

It's a mistery for me how a lot of Americans don't understand that the right to health care is a basic human right.

Many previous posts show that there are still a lot of ignorance and social racism in America.

These lacks are a very serious menace for the leading role of U.S.A. in the world.

Posted by: pellegrini1 | March 22, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

4 THINGS THAT WILL SOME REPUBLICANS WANT TO DO BY REPEALING THE NEW LAW:

1. Re-open the "doughnut hole" for seniors.
2. Re-raise prescription drug prices.
3. Re-exclude 25 year-olds from their parent's health coverage.
4. Re-enable insurance companies to deny Sarah Palin's disable baby coverage because of her "pre-existing condition."

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

sorry i meant to put it

Posted by: jessie131249 | March 22, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Government get this through your head don't spend more then you have. Is it that hard!! Were trillions of dollars in debt and the government it making it worse. People that wanted the bill to pass. Why would you want your country be so far in debt. 60% of the people did not want this to pass and 35% did want this to pass. Wh should us 60% of Americans have to deal with us. LET THE PEOPLE VOTE!!

Posted by: jessie131249 | March 22, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Babies like Sarah Palin's sweet daughter who has Down Syndrome usually are denied health coverage because of their "pre-existing condition."

This new law changes that (this year, no less).

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Every American pays $1,000 every year to treat patients who "chose" not to get health coverage.

This new law changes that.

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

This is Silly. Most of the country has a Tweet level attention span. It is six months and eleven days until the elections. In that time the debate about what ever will change a minimum of twelve times. Just think can anyone remember that governor that ran off to a sweety in South America. What was his name anyway?

Posted by: bluetiger | March 22, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

My prediction is the republicans will run their campaigns based on repealing healthcare reform. But the problem is they will be trying to sell doom and gloom but the bill will actually help more people than it hurts but if the republicans gain any political seats they will spend that clout on trying to repeal Obama's policies which will make them look worse if the policies are working. They are hoping that healthcare reform will weigh down Obama like Iraq did Bush but unlike the Iraq war heathcare reform wont send kids home in body bags. Democrats did not have to say anything about republican policies, there failures said it all for them. HC Reform will be a mixture with more people being for keeping it than against it as time goes on. Once a law is passed and is working for some americans it is hard to take it away from them without a price. The only way repealing HC will work as a campaign platform outside of the people supporting the republicans already is catastrophic failure of the bill once it becomes law. And I dont think the bill is that bad to fail that miserably. ALL REPUBLICANS CARE ABOUT IS GETTING REELECTED!!!!! There entire motivation for everything they say and think since nov 5,2008 has been geared towards the next election. They havent had a good idea in over two years. They are obsessed with beating Obama to the point they have no ideas on how to fix any of our problems. They just wait for the democrats to have an idea then spend all their efforts campaigning on how wrong the democrats are. REPUBLICANS, WHERE ARE YOUR IDEAS??????

Posted by: ged0386 | March 22, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Balz and other political reporters who think the mid-term elections may be a referendum on the health care bill are wrong. Most people are tired of politicians in both parties, including Obama, trying to gain partisan advantage from this issue.

Read the lips of a hundred million people in this country: W E
N E E D M O R E J O B S . This will be by far the most important issue. You' re welcome.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | March 22, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Step 1. Reform health care.
Step 2. Reform Wall Street, starting today.

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I've had 5 dollars worth of fun Post. Forget it. We'll get a regular chef. Things will be on an even keel. A crazy place like this is a godsend.

Posted by: tossnokia | March 22, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

They are creating problems to solve them, so profit isn't a consideration. Create a new crisis because the old crisis is losing punch. Wear a big white apron and a chefs hat made of newspaper for the children's delight. You can broil the steak to the queens taste after you get a stove on credit. I made hermits in droves and lemonade in buckets for the grand opening. We were swamped. They would stagger up the rough bank. Ma pleaded, don't get discouraged. It's rough. you've always got some new scheme to set the world on fire. The man thrust a 10 dollar bill into my hand. It's worth it to watch this 3 ring circus. The age of wonderful nonsense is back.

Posted by: tossnokia | March 22, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Here's an MSNBC poll:

"The House has passed an historic health care overhaul. Are you excited or angry?"

Excited - 26.5%
Angry - 66.3%
Don't Know - 7.3%

500,000+ responses!

http://politics.polls.newsvine.com/_question/2010/03/21/4048693-the-house-has-passed-an-historic-health-care-overhaul-are-you-excited-or-angry?GT1=43001

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Posted by: austininc4 | March 22, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm not Jessie, doofus. I was making fun of Jessie and her STOOOOPID post.

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Posted by: linjianying | March 22, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm.... so let me see if I get this right: When a Republican is in office, Deficits don't matter. But, when a Democrat is in office, Deficits DO matter.

Gee Republicans, HYPOCRISY much??

Posted by: austininc4 | March 22, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

If you think your health insurance premiums are high now ... just resind the health care law and see what you will go broke trying to pay.

Posted by: unseenmirage | March 22, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

jessie131249 wrote: "I am SOOOO sick of people who can't spell or form paragraphs!! Seriously, I am SOOO sick of people with third grade educations acting like they KNOW IT ALL."
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Hey Jessie, I'm sick of left-wing socialist radicals who can't spell the word "so"...it's one "o" in case you missed it.

Posted by: NO-bama | March 22, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

This bill erases any doubts about what Obama is all about.
I know a lot of people gave him the benefit of the doubt before, but after seeing this Mandate pushed through, watching the Bribing and Arm Twisting Democrats had to do to convince Democrats to vote on their Own Bill... there should
be no doubt what Obama's real agenda is.

Posted by: ohioan | March 22, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

What's blue, has four legs, a donkey's tale, and lies about fiscal responsibily?

BLUE DOG DEMOCRATS. VOTE 'EM OUT!!

Posted by: TedOFensive | March 22, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

jessie131249: I am SOOOO sick of people who can't spell or form paragraphs!! Seriously, I am SOOO sick of people with third grade educations acting like they KNOW IT ALL.

I am SOOOO sick of ignorant people using fallacies and stereotypes to rationalize their ridiculous positions. SOOOO sick of people listening to right-wing fear-mongering propaganda but can't even think for themselves or string words together in a coherent fashion. I am seriously SICK of ignorance such as yours.

Posted by: mavisdarling | March 22, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

The Liberal Dem Socialist Party will not have achieved their objective until at least 50% in this Country are dependent on Govt Entitlements and pay no Fed Tax. That is their Base, their voters. The Govt Needy and Dependent. All they are concerned about is increasing their dependent base with Govt Entitlements via Redistribution of Income to grow the Central Govt's Power. Their Cult Leader, Barry the Head of the Slithering Snake, is a Radical Demagogue who will use Class Envy, Demonize Profit, Capitalism and LIE to the Nation. He is a Leftist Ideologue. He is Deceptive. Liberalism, unchecked, will destroy this Country. It can only absorb so much.

Elections of 2010 & 12 Cannot Come Soon Enough !!


Posted by: jas7751 | March 22, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

If they don't fix the health care business model (which they should have done before adding 30 million more people into a broken system), then the US is going to go bankrupt. Just like the big car companies with the union benefits.

Another thought, think it takes a long time to get in to see a doctor now? (I have to make my annual physical appointment 2-3 months in advance). Just wait!

Posted by: Georgetowner1 | March 22, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

But, said Axelrod: "I think the debate shifts now. The issue for those talking about repeal is whether they're going to look the small business people in the eye or the children and say this was a horrible. I'm happy to have that debate."

What a freakin' hypocrit!! Axeljerk, you just robbed $1 Trillion from our children to pay for this POS! How CAN you look them in the eye...?!?!?! Small Businesses - I own a small business and your increased tax burden along with the Bush tax cuts going away at year end will force me to lay people off!! Unemployment will skyrocket over the next few years as the economy absorbs the added financial burden of your new nanny state. Axeljerk, you freakin' idiot!

Posted by: NO-bama | March 22, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"I think your statistic is contrived. I think you mean to say that the 15% of this country who identify themselves as teabaggers will scream and howl about someone asking them to participate as a citizen. We honestly don't care about you, so please...hand in your insurance card, and promise to stay off my roads and bridges. And please make sure your parents do not participate any more in social security, and their pensions. Also....You will need to let them take care of themselves....fend for themselves...do not give them anything that you say is your property.

We just don't care about you.

Posted by: swatkins1 "

You are defending thievery. My parents paid into SS from the early 40's until the 80's, and deserve whatever they can collect from it. You want to steal their contributions for yourself and your friends.

I contributed to SS for over twenty years, and will again when I get another job. Are you going to steal from me too, swatkins1?

OOPS, you already have; you took the money I paid into SS and spent it on bribes, social engineering and grants to your favorite pressure groups. SS is already paying out more than it takes in; it will be insolvent before I can even retire, let alone collect a single dime.

It will be a race to see if SS, Medicare or Medicaid goes bankrupt first, and drags the rest of the government with it. I can credit every recent administration with the failure, but this current one TRIPLED the national debt in one year, and that was BEFORE this latest unfunded entitlement was corruptly pressured through Congress.

Swatkins1, you are demonstrating why November is so important; we have to retake control of Congress from the fanatics before we can start to save and rebuild from the ashes. Ashes that you created by burning down the economy to reward your friends and favorites with kickbacks, payoffs and government subsidies.

Enjoy your party today - the bills come a little later, but last much longer.

Posted by: Wanderer13 | March 22, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

It must be difficult for republicans to see apresident actually get something done after having eight years of a man who could do absolutely nothing but start useless wars and hide behind monsters like Cheney.
Their not used to great leaders, but you better get used to this one, because he's just getting started,
CHANGE ! Yes ...

Posted by: dylan915 | March 22, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

It must be difficult for republicans to see apresident actually get something done after having eight years of a man who could do absolutely nothing but start useless wars and hide behind monsters like Cheney.
Their not used to great leaders, but you better get used to this one, because he's just getting started,
CHANGE ! Yes ...

Posted by: dylan915 | March 22, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Democrats need to get motivated? I think after watching civil rights pioneer John Lewis being cursed at and spat upon by an ignorant Republican mob, Democrats are fired up and will be ready to go this November.

Posted by: gmcduluth | March 22, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to see how the Republicans can win with a platform that will be based on wrenching away voters' newly won health plans.

Posted by: kinkysr | March 22, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama kept his promise. Now it's time for Rush Limp-paw to keep his and move to Costa Rica!

Posted by: thebobbob | March 22, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm SICK of this government and NOBAMA!!! The government doesn't need to have any buisness in the health industry they just need to stay wiht the government.. I mean why should us people that have health insurance have to pay for people that can't get there lazy butt off the couch and at least try to find a jobs insurance. On the news it said only 30% of the people wanted the bill to pass. I bet you that 30% of people were the ones that are lazy and can't even look for a job. I hope Texas becomes a new country before NOBAMA comes out of office cause were moving there. IM SERIOUSLY SICK AND TIRED OF HIM!!! How is it fair that 70% of America didnt want this bill. Plus America is also billions of dollars in debt maybe even trillions this bill is going to make us Americans suffer longer in debt. Why can't the goverment get this in there head that don't spend more then we have. Seriously is it that hard. If the people voted on this the bill would positively not pass. LET THE PEOPLE VOTE!!! Don't worry America the republicans are coming in the next 2 1/2 years. If Massachussettes got a replublican then America is probably too.

Posted by: jessie131249 | March 22, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

@ produce
Are you serious? NO, plenty of people, die hard Republicans were outraged at the debt that was being incurred by the war. Most clear minded individuals see that we have got to get this debt situation under control.

Who the HECK runs their households like this? If I don't have funds to dive into my "wish list" then I wait until I have the money.

Universal health care, while noble, is a BIG WISH. And it should have waited till we got the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and got the financial house of America in order.

But, NOOOOOOOOOOOO! The tax and spend crew has to have their way NOW. Like the two year olds they are.

Apalling.

While we are at it, isn't it clever that Obama promised troop withdrawal in what, 18 months after he was elected? Fat chance of that happening. But I guess if we divert the public's attention away from that big, fat, how-I-got-elected promise, nobody will notice. Very clever. Very sneaky.

HOw about all my democratic supporters raise their hands if they still think they are better than the rest of us?

Posted by: jiboo | March 22, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Barankrupt Obama will not be allowed to take us down the dark road of socialism. Vote all Democrats OUT this November. They've shown nothing but contempt for the wishes of the American people. Show them the same.

Posted by: TedOFensive | March 22, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The Liberal Dem Socialist Party is intent on destroying this Nation. The Head of the Liberal Snake, Barry, resents a Strong America. His Radical Socialist Ideology intends to weaken America in the name of "fairness". He is a Deceptive Demagogue. His naive Cult Members are easy lay downs and say, "Take Me Barry I Am Yours."

Elections of 2010 & 12 Cannot Come Soon Enough !!


Posted by: jas7751 | March 22, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

For all the talk of strategy and what Democrats need to do for November, the real issue will be the economy. If unemployment is still up close to 10%, Democrats will suffer. If unemployment has shown a steady downward trend even if it is still somewhat high, Democrats will still suffer, but not as much. The public has a very short attention spa.... What was I saying?

Posted by: clw743 | March 22, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Stay fast. BRILLIANT and COURAGEOUS move by Stupak and our beloved Bluedogs who did in this session what those betraying Republicans couldn't do in over 40 years! Never in my recollection has the funding for the barbaric and evil practice of abortion been omitted from any budget to come out of Congress! You've earned at least a tour of heaven if not a full leadership role there would be my 'guess', everyone of you!

Thank You Everyone involved in the passage of this bill. GOD Bless your courage, and ethical fortitude. Live LONG as your place here in our USA is crucial.

Sheilah Blanco

Posted by: alaskansheilah | March 22, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Nobody mumbled a word about big, expansive government when Bush was financing is almost billion dollar-a-day war(s). Now, all of a sudden, big debt is a big issue.

Posted by: produce592 | March 22, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

CAUTION:

Businesses are tired of being mandated by government at every turn. They will "work to the rule" and provide only the insurance the law requires - employees only.

No one will be cancelled, no one will be denied coverage – at open enrollments, employer coverage will be limited to employees only. Spouses and family members will buy coverage through their state’s exchanges, where Democrats assure Americans, all uninsured will find affordable health insurance.

Some businesses will offer high deductible individual health insurance coverage to save costs, with a health savings account to offset the deductible. This has worked very will for Whole Foods 8,000 employees. Businesses are reviewing the success of Whole Food’s insurance plan to learn if it can be implemented into their benefits package as an alternative to "full-service" health insurance coverage.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=3602579&page=1

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574342170072865070.html


Of course, if employers switch over to individual health insurance at open enrollment, that will fly in the face of Obama's promise that college kids can remain on your insurance plan to the age of 26. Family members are not covered on an individual policy.

Meanwhile, states are drafting the particulars for law suits, businesses are looking for the most cost effective way to meet the mandate, and those who will be left out in the cold (uninsured by marriage or dependent) will be spending much of their time trying to figure out how the exchanges work and if it really is more affordable.

And then, there are the "nearly" all Americans who are exempt from the mandate. We all know these are the illegal aliens and their illegitimate children who will continue to receive free health care at the ERs. It's not going to be easy controlling costs for health care or the insured when millions of exempted uninsured continue to run a tab while the government does nothing.

We will see many oxymorons as Americans work their way through all the heretofor’s within this near 3,000 page bill. It will turn very ugly when the REAL truth about health care and health insurance "reform" is revealed.

Hopefully, too much damage won't be done between now and year end, when the makeup of Congress changes and the bill is repealed and rebuilt as Americans demanded in the first place - incrementally, addressing the areas of greatest concern first, and then building on.

Posted by: asmith1 | March 22, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Republicans can say what they want. But, in America, nobody EVER repeals entitlements. For better or worse. No Republican is going to be linked to kicking 30 million people off health insurance, even if he or she (Congressmen) thought they should never have gotten the insurance to begin with. That's a fact you can take to the bank. Social security, Medicare, Senior Prescription Drugs, once it's put out there, it's there forever. So, from that point of view, this is either a very good thing and was worth doing. Or, a bad deal that won't contain costs and we cannot get rid of. Which is it?

Posted by: magnifco1000 | March 22, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Take a foolish notion and give out enough gravy and you can hang yourselves on the deficit that results. "We're out of money." Capitalism is man exploiting man and communism is vice versa.

"But homeward—home—what home? had he a home?
His home—he walk'd;
Then down the long street having slowly stolen,
His heart foreshadowing all calamity,
His eyes upon the stones, he reached his home."

The free health care myth is carried on the wind that brought every deserving soul a home and mortgage. The mortgages went bad and now we can spoil the medical profession with health estate agents. Thew agents of doom are busy.

Posted by: tossnokia | March 22, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Lets face the FACTS: Republicans (Reagan, Bush, Gingritch, Beck, Limbaugh, Bachman, Demint, etc. etc. ) have been and are utter complete lunatics.

To be exact what this means is that Republicans are paid agents of Rich & Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Military, Big Banks, etc. aka Wall Street Gang) and as such they have been part of one of the Ultimate Con Jobs in the history of man kind, perpetrated on the American people, for the last many decades. The purpose of which Con Job are the following 2 Key objectives:
1- To give American people as little as possible for the Taxes that we pay,
2- To enable the Rich & Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Banks, etc.) to get as rich as they can off
the back of the American middle class (people) by not having the Government (of the People by the People for the People)
regulate what they can do for the benefit of the People, such as have Universal nationalized health care, as all Europeans have, Canadians have, Israelis have, Chinese have, etc. or as we have Universal nationalized Military, Police, Fire, etc. etc.

And to get away with this Ultimate Con Job, Republicans have been saying any insane thing, any lunatic thing, no matter how senseless and illogical, such as:
1- "Government cannot do anything..."
2- "Government is the problem not the solution..."
etc. etc.
After all, if "Government cannot do anything..." then:
1- Why the HEK are we paying about 40% of our income in various form of Taxes*?
2- Are you saying that we should operate the US Military, Police, Fire, Courts of law, etc. etc. on private basis?

Much more here:
http://anoox.com/blog/Real_News.34034

Posted by: RealNews1 | March 22, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The results of this health care decision will be horrible.

http://www.communislam.com/health-care-266

Posted by: servant119b | March 22, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

People are always taking about the similarities between Lincoln and Kennedy, lets see who Mr. O compares to:

1. The nation was a democracy.
2. The nation had spent billions during the war before his election.
3. Before being elected, he was a realtive unknown....
4. Before his election, many did not know what he believed or stood for.
5. He became famous for his charisma and his speeches.
6. He wrote a best-selling book that was read across the nation.
7. Women would often scream, people cry, and some pass out when he spoke.
8. Large crowds followed him, and people waited for hours just to see him.
9. The people of the country wanted a major political change.
10. The country at the time was in an economic crisis.
11. He promised to restore the economy, bring jobs, and rebuild the infrastructure.
12. When elected, he was considered a messiah or savior to many people.
13. He was accused by some of having thugs in his life and background.
14. It was the youth vote that got him into power.
15. He made a famous speech in Berlin.
16. Certain records about his past were hidden from the public.
17. People were bullied and harassed if they spoke against him.

So now who is this man?

ADOLPH HITLER> sounds kinda familiar doesn't it?

PS: Remember, the former president and his administration were called this and worse, so as they say, "fair is fair"

Now: before anyone comes unglued even more: The Theme Song for those of us who do not agree with the current administration is a song from the band The Who. Title: We wouldn't get fooled again. Listen carefully to the lyrics.

Posted by: upgp46 | March 22, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: orange3 | March 22, 2010 4:35 PM:

OK - the fruitcake republicans said that if the bill passed it would be the end of the world - we will see if they are a pack of liars. ….. (Republicans never said passage of the bill would be the end of the world – they said it would be the start of the chaos)

Health insurance companies can't deny coverage for a pre existing condition - why that is just awful! ….. (but no where in the bill is there any mention of a cap on premiums --- the coverage will be there, but will it be affordable?)

Health insurance companies can't put lifetime caps on benefits - terrible, communism! ….. (Again, they can set the sky as the limit, as can they with the premiums There may be no lifetime cap, but will people be able to afford the policy?)

Health insurance companies will no longer be able throw people out when they get sick - how unconstitutional! ….. (No one can be denied coverage or cancelled if they are sick, but if they rely on a spouse’s employer for coverage, they may find themselves on the outside looking in when employers change their benefits package to employees only. But the Democrats have that covered – they have the exchanges).

Health insurance companies will not be able to find some small error on your original application thirty years ago, you forgot you once had chicken pox, and then rescind your coverage when your sick - why, that is awful! ….. (again, no where in the bill is there any mention of a cap on premiums --- the coverage will be there, but will it be affordable?)

Yeah, try to repeal this you b*stards, just try. …. (once you realize what you have, you may looking for a constitutional loop hole to repeal the bill that is little more than a payoff to the insurance companies and pharmaceuticals

Posted by: asmith1 | March 22, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The CEO of Cigna confirmed that Obamacare
does absolutely nothing to reduce or contain healthcare costs. Healthcare insurance will continue to INCREASE.
Maybe all those Democrats who Pelosi had to bribe and twist their arms to vote for
Obamacare --- were the smart ones.
Democrats gave insurance companies an early
Christmas present: 30 Million New Customers! What business ever gets 30 million New customers handed-over to them?
These Democrats are completely Brain-Dead.

Posted by: ohioan | March 22, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

There's nothing wrong with the GOP that a tall glass of cyanide-laced kool aide wouldn't cure. THAT'S change we can live with!

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | March 22, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

The most corrupt partisan bill in American history:

"An Historic Vote, In More Ways Than One
Posted by Sean Trende | Email This | Permalink | Email Author
Last night's vote was certainly an historic one, which will almost certainly go down in the annals of Congressional history as one of the largest expansions of the social welfare state, along with Medicare and Social Security. But it is also historic in that it marks the first time that a piece of social legislation of this scale has been passed on a party-line vote (to say nothing of the bipartisan opposition the bill faced in the House).

As others have noted, Medicare passed with the support of 13 Republican Senators and 70 Republican Congressmen. Social Security passed with the support of 14 Senate Republicans and 77 House Republicans.

But this metric understates the degree of bipartisanship underlying these bills. In percentage terms, 56% of Republican Senators and 75% of Republican Congressmen voted for Social Security, while 41% of GOP Congressmen and 50% of GOP Senators voted for Medicare. In a caucus of today's size, that would translate to 23 Republican Senators and 134 Representatives in support of the health care bill had it been crafted to garner as much bipartisan support as Social Security, while 17 Republican Senators and 89 Representatives would have favored a bill with as much bipartisan support as Medicare."

....Obama "I going to bring bi-partisanship to Washington DC

Is everyone still a believer?

Posted by: allenridge | March 22, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

When I was growing up, half my family and friends were Republican and half were Democrat. We disagreed sometimes, but on most of the big things, we all got along.

I'm a Democrat, and I miss those days. I still have just as many Republican friends, and -- frankly -- they often have good ideas.

But I don't think the Republican PARTY is anything like my Republican friends. Instead, it's been taken over by a fringe group of Tea Partiers whom most of my Republican friends (golf club people, doctors, etc.) think are a bunch of loons.

I miss the old days.

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

The Emperor Has New Health Insurance

Posted by: TedOFensive | March 22, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

None of the polling reflects what anyone knows about the health care bill because so much of the coverage has been content free and all about the fights. Yesterday, Balz was all about bipartisanship, yet today's column suggests that such a position wouldn't help anyone. As for balance, the GOPers get more space her than the Dems. Peter Hart has proven to be more of GOPer and largely irrelevant. But I guess inside the Beltway, people who were last credible in the Carter administration still have grivatis.

Posted by: thebuckguy | March 22, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: A-Voter | March 22, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

What's black and white and red all over?

The red ink spilling over Barankupt Obama's new Bill.

Posted by: TedOFensive | March 22, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey dbert4: I totally agree.

It's time for Democrats to kick b*tt on Wall Street reform and immigration. Two years after the start of what could have been another Great Depression, caused by deregulation run amok, I'd say it's time.

Go Democrats!

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

If this was such a good bill, Pelosi & Reid would not have had to engage in open bribery, blatant threats, bold-faces lies, back-room deals, and operations behind closed doors to get members of their own party to vote for it.

In the end they ignored the will of the people in this representative democracy. They are hoping the biased editorials and so-called news pieces that will be run by the WAPO and the liberal media will pacify the peasants before the midterm elections.

Soon the WAPO will begin running stories about great the legislation is and how many people love it. The stories will be lies, but that's their story and they'll stick to it. This bill may destroy the economy and mortgage the future of our children, but they don't care.

Hopefully all the people will remember the actions of the arrogant elitists of the Democrat party in November and 2012.

Posted by: NormReisig | March 22, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Go Obama, go Democrats! Let's do immigration and Wall Street regulation the same way. Those Republican morons can't be worked with, can't be part of the solution to anything. So don't ram this down their throats, ram it up their A**es!!!

Posted by: dbert4 | March 22, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

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GOP Dire Prediction #62

"The world will explode if Obama becomes president."

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Posted by: A-Voter | March 22, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Try to pick out the sarcasm:

I can't believe Nancy Pelosi arrogantly passed this bill without giving Republican lawmakers and citizens a chance to review it -- I mean, it was posted online for 3 months so anyone could read it, but that Pelosi didn't personally go to everybody's house in America and pull it up on our computers.

Dictator!

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Go Obama, go Democrats! Let's do immigration and Wall Street regulation the same way. Those Republican morons can't be worked with, can't be part of the solution to anything. So don't ram this down their throats, ram it up their Asses!!!

Posted by: dbert4 | March 22, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Make the next election to be a referendum about Universal Nationalized Single Payer Health Care as they have in ALL European countries, Canada, Israel, etc. vs the for profit health insurance we have in US.

Let the Republican lunatics and the Republican Dems (i.e., Liberman, Nelson, etc.) run against Universal Nationalized Health Care and prove what lunatics they are, what enemy of the American (middle class) they are, given the FACT that under Universal Nationalized Single Payer Health Care every one wins except those who are getting paid $40Mill per year in salaries and flying in $50Mill corporate Jets and who are funding lying slime bags like Limbaugh, Beck, Fix news, Wall Street Journal, etc. to LIE and LIE to American people.

To be exact here are the incredible benefits of Universal Nationalized Single Payer Health Care:

1- Everyone will get health care for free, well free for the Taxes that WE PAY. So for the Governments right to Tax us, we have the right to health care. So this will SAVE a typical American family of 4 $18,000 per year in health care costs (premium + deductibles + co-pays, etc.)

2- NO more Americans will go bankrupt anymore due to health care costs, as 1Mill+ Americans go bankrupt each year due to health care costs now, just as ZERO Europeans, Canadians, go bankrupt each year due to health care costs because they already have Universal Nationalized Health Care.

3- Health care will cost the US Government (businesses & people) about 50% less than now, SAVING the US Government about $1Trillion per year, since again in ALL the European countries, Canada, etc. who have one form or another of Universal Single Payer Health Care, health care is costing about 9% of GDP vs health care currently costing the US Government, which means businesses & people, about 18% of GDP.

4- And on top of all that, Europeans have much higher life expectancy and other health stats compared to Americans, in fact US is ranked in life expectancy and other health care stats with the poorest of 3rd World countries, whom just like US do not have Universal Nationalized Health Care.

More on these facts here:
http://anoox.com/blog/UHC.37605

Posted by: RealNews1 | March 22, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

As an Independent voter, Republicans are completely losing my confidence and vote the way their leadership has been acting throughout this process. It is shameful that there are Republican leaders who are enticing violence, resorting to name calling & calling this an Armageddon! If the elections were here today, I would definitely not vote Republican.

Posted by: nasimnour | March 22, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Per this article -
One measure of that came in a statement from Gov. Mitch Daniels (R-Ind.). Saying the measure will raise taxes and, contrary to projections, will add to the national debt, he said, "In a life of optimism about America and its future, this morning I am as discouraged as I can remember being."

Daniels was the Director of the Office of Management and Budget under George W. Bush and sure knows how to add to the national debt via the Iraq War, which will eventually add about $2 trillion to our debt. And he feels "discouraged"! Vote this joker out of office.

per wiki -
"In 2002, Daniels helped discredit a report by Assistant to the President on Economic Policy Lawrence B. Lindsey estimating the cost of Operation Iraqi Freedom at between $100–$200 billion. Daniels called this estimate "too high" and stated that the costs would be between $50–$60 billion."

Posted by: edfunk1 | March 22, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

If Republicans had any shame they'd bury their heads even farthur up their posteriors for their disgraceful temper tantrum of the last couple of weeks - and especially over the last few days. They've proven themselves to be nothing more than pathetic, butt-kissing corporate shills whose only purpose in government is to screw over the people of the United States. UP WITH AMERICA! UP YOURS, REPUBLICANS!!!

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | March 22, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

OK - the fruitcake republicans said that if the bill passed it would be the end of the world - we will see if they are a pack of liars

Health insurance companies can't deny coverage for a pre existing condition - why that is just awful!

Health insurance companies can't put lifetime caps on benefits - terrible, communism!

Health insurance companies will no longer be able throw people out when they get sick - how unconstitutional!

Health insurance companies will not be able to find some small error on your original application thirty years ago, you forgot you once had chicken pox, and then recind your coverage when your sick - why, that is awful!

Yeah, try to repeal this you b*stards, just try.

Posted by: orange3 | March 22, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the Republicans will do anywhere near as well as they think in the mid-terms. They talk about what they are against, but what are they FOR?

Unemployment - We're against the Democrat's jobs bills. But what are they FOR? Well, we're against the Obama/Democratic bills. But How would they solve the unemployment problem? Uh...

Health Care - We're against the Democrat's bill. OK, so how would you provide health care for folks? Well, we're against the Democrat's bill. But how would they solve the problem? Umm...

They can also say we shouldn't have it at all. OK. That will appeal to the votes of radical right, but how will that play to voting seniors on closing the "donut hole" which starts right away..."We as Republicans oppose closing the "donut hole" for senior citizens so you should pay more for your medicine!" How many votes will THAT get them? Or they can say to the the folks who lost their jobs who can continue to get insurance say that.."Well if we are Republicans had our way, they wouldn't get insurance - you can just get sick and maybe die! How many votes will THAT get them? Or what will they say to the folks with pre-existing conditions..."We as Republicans believe you should never get insurance, or should never be able to change jobs, since being chained to the same job all your life is "freedon"! How many votes will THAT get them? (And yes, I am engaging in a bit of hyperbole and do know that the Republican party as a whole (supposedly) generally supported making sure people couldn't be denied help for pre-existing conditions, but how are they going to play that? We're against health reform but we're for it...)

There are a host of other issues the Republicans also are going to need to carve out where they are FOR something rather than against something.

The only one they have sort-of gained the upper hand on is deficit reduction. And they don't have a concrete plan there except a generic "cut spending" when a lot of spending is their own...

Given that things are going to get better on the jobs front, and some immediate benefits will be seen on the health insurance front, and we are on track to get our troops out of Iraq (and I would have liked that to happen faster), so at least some of the problems this country have faced are being addressed... Republicans are going to do no where as well as they think in the mid-term elections.

John

P.S. And as others posted, Democrats won't be caught flat footed by the "Tea Partiers" and their ilk again.

Posted by: JohnMG123 | March 22, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Turn the focus on the mid terms? Are you kidding? How about turning the focus on to creating jobs for the millions of unemployed? How about the 4 free trade agreements that have been sitting around for 18 months. How about the hundreds of miscellaneous tarrifs sitting in the Ways and Means Committee? The trillion dollar budget defecit? A hundered other things? It's MARCH on Capitol Hill just like it is everywhere else! Focus on the Mid Terms in September - get to work!

Posted by: harkes4ever | March 22, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi in collusion with Obama's White House by the slightest margin wins a victory to pass government mandated health care. Out of 431 votes in the House from U.S. Representatives, only 5 Yes votes got the Obama Democrats their win. A mire five votes is nothing out of a total of 431 votes.

Remember the names of Boyd, Markey, Gordon and Kucinich who made the political move to go from No to Yes on their votes. Vote them out of office and challenge their integrity as Representative of the people.

No question about the political corruption of Stupak as a “set up” on abortion issue as a pimple on the nose of a cancerous government take over of medicine in the U.S. La De Da, if Stupak changes to Yes then the bill will be OK and “we all can vote for it” because it does not pay abortion clinic for cost free abortions. We can call it the “stupid stunt” by puppet Stupak.

Obama wins a victory for his liberal Democrat Presidency. President new motto is “winning matters, not how you win.” All that counts is to get your political way to govern the people, if not by force by federal law. Smash them with big government by spending their money the government way for social programs. Yucky Yuck Dem Dems!


Posted by: klausdmk
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Bet you any amount of money that this poster was singing praises for Stupak just a week ago...

And I repeat what I asked on another posting... please be specific and tell me which insurance company or hospital was taken over by the government due to this "socialistic" bill.

Posted by: PeterPamZ | March 22, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

These comments saying we will vote them out miss the point. Voting "them" out is like putting new air in a tire with a hole in it. Get rid of the tire!

Posted by: Obamasnotyamama | March 22, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Shades of Viet Nam -

"In order to save the village we had to destroy it"

Posted by: sosueme1 | March 22, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

TINYJAB40:

Republicans will run on repealing the skyrocketing costs of health insurance, the inability to get an appointment with a doctor, failing hospitals and a crushing debt loaded onto our children, our children's children, our children's children's children...

Posted by: pmendez | March 22, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse


It won't just be the next election but also the one following the demand that people who do not want insurance go out and spend to get it. That may prove to be a boon for Republicans among the young who largely do not need health insurance.

Beyond November, the future is fraught with the possibility of enormous unintended consequences from this measure.

Posted by: edbyronadams | March 22, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

From the article:
"...Second, they need to win back many of the independent voters..."

Good luck with that, silly-socialists! Fool me once, shame on you...

Posted by: sosueme1 | March 22, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse


Not only the Tea baggers get Tea bagged last night… they got a Cleveland Steamer! Next on Immigration; we can give them a dirty Sanchez!

Posted by: veronihilverius

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Don't know what those things are and don't want to. But I am sure they are just as nasty as you lib freaks.

Poor democrats hi-jacked and turned into the party of perverts baby killers and communists. The once noble party of JFK is no more...

Posted by: Straightline | March 22, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Not only the Tea baggers get Tea bagged last night… they got a Cleveland Steamer! Next on Immigration; we can give them a dirty Sanchez!

Posted by: veronihilverius

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You don't have the votes in the Senate to move it though.

Posted by: mike83631 | March 22, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

You f'in liberal ninnies...How did welfare work out? Growing mass of apathetic unskilled and moronic people demanding they get their due for producing more fatherless murderous zombies.
How about social security? The real fiscal time bomb that will eat all of the GDP up anyway, good luck with any additional funds for "Obamacare"

Both liberal policies that are crippling the American spirit.

Libs...please put "I supported obamamite healthcare" bumper stickers on your cars so we know which one to smash to pieces.

Posted by: civilrightist | March 22, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

And the prize for the Tea Partiers is... TEA-BAGGING!!!

I am looking forward to watching Obama drag his balls across your faces, you fascist imbeciles.

Of course, some of you tea partiers will probably like it...

Posted by: Impartialobserver

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It's so good to see the comments from the party of love and tolerance.

Posted by: mike83631 | March 22, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

This is the "transparency" I got with my vote for Obama? A bill few have seen, some were paid for, and others pressured into voting for. We know what Nebraska and Louisiana got. What did Kucinich get? This is the break from "business as usual" I got for vote for Obama? A bill passed by reconciliation? I hope President Obama enjoys his single term presidency.

Posted by: joefish | March 22, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Bad policy makes for bad politics.
Try as they may, they won't be able to undo that.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 22, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are already saying they want to repeal the health care reform bill. What part are they going to repeal? Letting children stay on their parent's insurance until they are 26? Reinstating so-called pre-existing illness exclusions? Taking back insurance from the uninsured now that they have been given the hope of it after some time passes? Going back to high deductibles and low caps on coverage for ordinary people? Or maybe they want to appeal covering poor children who have been taken off of Medicaid by the millions?

I've heard that some attorneys general want to sue the feds saying the fact that you have to have coverage is unconstitutional. Don't we all have to pay into Social Security? If they get the very conservative Supreme Court to go along with them (maybe five or ten years from now), does that mean Social Security will be invalidated too?

I agree with the GOP speech writer who said, the horse is out of the barn. One sure way for the GOP to turn people against them is to try to take back the coverage and rights this bill will give them. I'm sure the GOP will be truly popular if they do that.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | March 22, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

And the prize for the Tea Partiers is... TEA-BAGGING!!!

I am looking forward to watching Obama drag his balls across your faces, you fascist imbeciles.

Of course, some of you tea partiers will probably like it...

Posted by: Impartialobserver

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My what an impartial observer you are..

It ain't over fruitcake. The Republicans will take back congress this November. Moderates and conservatives out number you pinko freaks 5 to 1.

In their wisdom our founders did a little separation of powers clause just for situations like this. The bill is unconstitutional and will go before the Supreme Court.

You stupid Stalinist haven't got your nasty little hands on the Court yet.

Now you can go back to your infatuation with Obummers balls.

Posted by: Straightline | March 22, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"Pollster Peter Hart argued that the most important priority will be invigorating the Democratic base, in large part because midterm elections are often dominated by activists on one side or the other and for months Republicans have been far more energized than Democrats."

Good luck getting all those young people and minorities that swept Dems into office in 2008 back to the polls in 2010. Voting for the first black president is way cool. Voting for some boring old white guy you've never heard of is way un-cool.

Posted by: pmendez | March 22, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

"When it comes to da rules...duh....Wees makes dem up as wees goes along."

Brilliant.

LOL !!


Posted by: jas7751 | March 22, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I am at fault. I voted for the idiot Democrats. I am a slow learner, but I will not make that mistake again...ever.

I predict a Republican landslide this November like this country has scarely ever seen.

Senators Webb and Warner; oh yes, and Mr. Connolly...pack your bags.

Posted by: JustSomeThoughts | March 22, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I love this comment from veronhilviris below, in particular the part about the "destruction of the American family." Don't you understand that the democrats are focused on destroying the American family b/c when they ask the question, who's your daddy, the democrats what the people to reply "Obama's my daddy."

And at this rate, he will be. His hands are everywhere...and with this new insurance mandate, the IRS will have access to your accounts and will be taking what they think is there's from this point on....

if you really believe that this administration is "looking out for the little guy," ask yourself the question, why would they care? The point is, they don't care...it's just a power grab dressed up as a Christmas gift....there's no such thing as Santa

"I make over 150k a year depending on commission. I was never a huge fan of $ anyway and I live rather modestly in Brooklyn and my only prize possession is a 2005 Mustang GT which was dirt cheap I might add... I could really give a fok about any of that so long as the continued destruction of the American family and condemning of death; those who get sick by these insurance companies ends. Once you have been shot at. $ becomes less important than life."


Posted by: ptandcarol | March 22, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Ohioan wrote:
"Republicans were the only ones with Real, Rational Solutions for healthcare.
Republicans had real solutions for Reducing Costs.
Think about this: Democrats have a majority, and they STILL had to Lie, Bribe,
Twist Arms -- to get Democrats to Vote for it!?? That tells you there's some bad stuff going on....."

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Wow, I guess I wasn't aware of any health care bills introduced by Republicans this year! Can you let us know their bill numbers are so we can look them up? Or maybe a link to any health care bill introduced by a Republican since the 1960's? That would help us all learn about their proposed health care solutions.

Posted by: c_p_c | March 22, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

How about, just for a change of pace, our elected representatives focus NOT on the next election BUT ON ACTUALLY FREAKIN' GOVERNING, which is what we elected and are paying them to do? I don't give a rat's ass what they do at this point, just effing DO something: do something about immigration reform do something about our failing schools, do something about energy. THAT's the way to get re-elected, you morons.

Posted by: 7900rmc | March 22, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

pmendez wrote: "Ya think last summer's Town Hall meetings were angry? Just you wait! 2010 will be bad for liberals, but just a taste of the tsunami that will hit them in 2012.

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First...Oh.....We're quivering in our birkenstocks reading your taunt.

Second, please define Liberal for us all, just so we know if you mean "Democrat" or if you mean something else.

Posted by: swatkins1 | March 22, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

pmendez wrote: "Ya think last summer's Town Hall meetings were angry? Just you wait! 2010 will be bad for liberals, but just a taste of the tsunami that will hit them in 2012.

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First...Oh.....We're quivering in our birkenstocks reading your taunt.

Second, please defne Liberal for us all, just so we know if you mean "Democrat" or if you mean something else.

Posted by: swatkins1 | March 22, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

When people start to find out what HRC really means for them, and that it only helps the vast majority of Americans, the Party Of No is in for an unhappy November surprise.

Posted by: binkynh | March 22, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty easy to vote in Nov. Vote by those politicians (Rep & Dem) that actually held true to their convictions throughoute. Republicans. Who else can you trust? Not:

1) "Blue Dogs". Total fiscal pretenders.
2) "Anti-abortion" Democrats. Hypocrites.
3) Every other Democrat that put their name to this bill that still isn't sure what's in this 2,000+ page monstrosity (all of them). We will be stuck with the Senate version of this bill, as this new bill violates the Byrd Amendment for reconciliation. I hope that every union jag off that gets these Cadillac plans ends up paying through the nose. Then we'll hear some real screaming. This will not end well, and will only help assure a Republican majority in The House come November.

Posted by: TedOFensive | March 22, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

ohioan wrote: "Republicans were the only ones with Real, Rational Solutions for healthcare. Republicans had real solutions for Reducing Costs."

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Reallllly? Name ONE "Real, Rational Solution" any repubican offered. Name ONE "real solutions for Reducing Costs" any repubican offered.

And "Saying No" is not a solution.

Posted by: swatkins1 | March 22, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Ya think last summer's Town Hall meetings were angry?

Just you wait!

2010 will be bad for liberals, but just a taste of the tsunami that will hit them in 2012.

Posted by: pmendez | March 22, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

And the prize for the Tea Partiers is... TEA-BAGGING!!!

I am looking forward to watching Obama drag his balls across your faces, you fascist imbeciles.

Of course, some of you tea partiers will probably like it...

Posted by: Impartialobserver | March 22, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Oh what a web we weave when the American people we do deceive...You are correct this will go into the history books, just not the way you want it to. We need reform no one I know disagrees with that. This is NOT health care REFORM!!! When you take certain groups give them immunity from the law of the land what is that called, bribe payoff, I don't know but the average citizen can see and figure it out for themselves. BUT I think most will come up with the conclusion it STINKS!!! Let me see my premiums will go up per the CBO, my taxes go up for four years and we the people get???? NOTHING Like the old saying goes most people VOTE by their pocketbook...

Posted by: Immanurse | March 22, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi in collusion with Obama's White House by the slightest margin wins a victory to pass government mandated health care. Out of 431 votes in the House from U.S. Representatives, only 5 Yes votes got the Obama Democrats their win. A mire five votes is nothing out of a total of 431 votes.

Remember the names of Boyd, Markey, Gordon and Kucinich who made the political move to go from No to Yes on their votes. Vote them out of office and challenge their integrity as Representative of the people.

No question about the political corruption of Stupak as a “set up” on abortion issue as a pimple on the nose of a cancerous government take over of medicine in the U.S. La De Da, if Stupak changes to Yes then the bill will be OK and “we all can vote for it” because it does not pay abortion clinic for cost free abortions. We can call it the “stupid stunt” by puppet Stupak.

Obama wins a victory for his liberal Democrat Presidency. President new motto is “winning matters, not how you win.” All that counts is to get your political way to govern the people, if not by force by federal law. Smash them with big government by spending their money the government way for social programs. Yucky Yuck Dem Dems!

Posted by: klausdmk | March 22, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

tonyjm wrote: "What the democrats did was help 32 million people and the rest of America become broker..when those who have acted responsibility run out of money because of higher taxes, there will be no one to pay for healthcare for anyone."

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I think your statistic is contrived. I think you mean to say that the 15% of this country who identify themselves as teabaggers will scream and howl about someone asking them to participate as a citizen. We honestly don't care about you, so please...hand in your insurance card, and promise to stay off my roads and bridges. And please make sure your parents do not participate any more in social security, and their pensions. Also....You will need to let them take care of themselves....fend for themselves...do not give them anything that you say is your property.

We just don't care about you.

Posted by: swatkins1 | March 22, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Republicans were the only ones with Real, Rational Solutions for healthcare.
Republicans had real solutions for Reducing Costs.
Think about this: Democrats have a majority, and they STILL had to Lie, Bribe,
Twist Arms -- to get Democrats to Vote for it!?? That tells you there's some bad stuff going on.....

Posted by: ohioan | March 22, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I am really enjoying all the threats of republican revenge... Most of them seem to come from people who appear (based on their posts) to be among the stupidest, most ignorant imbeciles in the country.

The funny thing is that, based on their obvious ignorance and illiteracy, most of the truly venomous anti-Obama crowd - i.e., the ones that shout racial epithets, etc. - are also poor and probably don't have health care.

Amazing that, using a bizarre mix of religion, libertarianism and racism, the GOP can goad even the poorest Americans into fighting things like taxes on the most wealthy.

Posted by: Impartialobserver | March 22, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

POP QUIZ!

QUESTION 1: Did the rate of abortions go up or down after Republican Governor Mitt Romney enacted very similar healthcare reform in Massachusetts?

(HINT: Unlike the new federal plan, Romney's plan in Massachusetts DOES pay for abortions.)

ANSWER 1: The rate of abortions dropped a lot in Massachusetts?

EXPLANATION: Abortions always drop when young women get access to prenatal and OB care.

*Full disclosure: I'm a (very) pro-life Democrat.

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Republicans need to focus voters' attention on the flaws of the health care "reform," and explain how they will fix them.

The idea should be that the Democrats have made a terrible mess, and the Republicans stand ready to clean it up.

Posted by: coastofutopia | March 22, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse


MYTH: Most people don't like this new law.

FACT: 40% opposed it, 40% supported it, and 15% liked it but wanted it to go futher.

BOTTOM LINE: 55% loved or liked the bill, and that percentage is going up fast as people learn more and more.

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

TeaPartyPatriot, So...let me get this straight....Teabaggers are all about getting government out of their business, right? And from what I read and hear from teabaggers, they want to replace government with their ideas of how things should be run, right? Well, try and imagine a whooole lot of people who don't care for your brand of infantilism one little bit. Know what you got there, TeaPartyPatriot? You got a real problem, cuz you have just become what 80% of this country despises: Karl Rove, Dick Cheney "flag lapel pin" patriots, who tell everyone what to do, but hate having anyone tell you what to do! Imagine that.

Posted by: swatkins1 | March 22, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

No big surprise, but insurance companies and Big Pharma should be winners now that the the health bill has passed.

http://www.minyanville.com/businessmarkets/articles/stocks-health-care-reform-biotech-bill/3/22/2010/id/27401

Posted by: Fletch_F_Fletch | March 22, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

What the democrats did was help 32 million people and the rest of America become broker..when those who have acted responsibility run out of money because of higher taxes, there will be no one to pay for healthcare for anyone.

Posted by: tonyjm | March 22, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey Houston123:

This bill will not get "turned over" at the Supreme Court, any more than laws requiring drivers to carry liability coverage and laws requiring businesses to carry workers compensation coverage.

Why would you want it to be?

Right now, people who don't buy insurance get into accidents and then get treated -- on everyone else's dime.

The new law changes that.

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't the post print a list of the backroom deal included in the bill and at what cost to taxpayers. Do your job as a newspaper and get the facts for the public.

Posted by: tonyjm | March 22, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

TeaPartyPatriot wrote: "No need to worry, folks. The d-crat socialists up for election/re-election in Nov 2010 AND Nov 2012 will be DEFEATED and this horrific government takeover will be repealed. Americans WILL take back our country from the lunatic left."

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That was absolutely hilarious what TeaBaggerPatriot wrote there. It's line for line the exact same threats the teabaggers used to try and instill fear into their comrades during the run up to the health care vote. It's like...."cross this line".....Crossed. OK..."Cross THIS line"....Crossed....OK......"I doubld dog dare you to CROSS THIS LINE!!!"....Crossed....Now what do you want? A bottle? A diaper change?

Posted by: swatkins1 | March 22, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

@ TeaPartyPatriot

"No need to worry, folks. The d-crat socialists up for election/re-election in Nov 2010 AND Nov 2012 will be DEFEATED"

Define "socialist".

Posted by: ceefer66 | March 22, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

veronihilverius, you do realize with the new demo health bill that if you dont have health insurance you will be required to pay a 2.5% income penalty tax.

Good news for you and alot of demo's in DC, 2.5% of nothing is still nothing.
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I make over 150k a year depending on commission. I was never a huge fan of $ anyway and I live rather modestly in Brooklyn and my only prize possession is a 2005 Mustang GT which was dirt cheap I might add... I could really give a fok about any of that so long as the continued destruction of the American family and condemning of death; those who get sick by these insurance companies ends. Once you have been shot at. $ becomes less important than life.

Posted by: veronihilverius | March 22, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

This bill will be overturned at the Supreme Court!

Posted by: houston123 | March 22, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse


Republicans take orders from Tea Partiers at their own peril.

FACT.

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Hooray! The Democrats kept their promise and delivered help to some 32 million Americans after a year of debate, discussion and compromise.

How much time did we spend debating going to war in Iraq? About 2 months. The Republican White House and Congresss bum-rushed us into an 8-year war that cost 5,000 American lives and over a trillion dollars in war costs and rebuilding. Anyone who opposed the war was labeled a traitor.

The behavior and the posters of the anti-health reform groups were reminisicent of the Nazis, the Brownshirts, The Bolsheviks, the Tonton Macoute and the Ku Klux Klan. The Tea Party rallies were a frightening and sickening display bullying, hooliganism, and outright racism. Sadder still is the fact that Republican members of Congress actually left the chamber to encourage and egg on the mob.

The really sad thing is when the Teabaggers were asked what they opposed in the health care legislation they didn't know anything about what it contains. These people are the scary side of America.

If they are so afraid of Big Brother, where were they when the Patriot Act that violated principles of the protection of privacy and allowed the federal government to spy on its own citizens was passed?

If they are so afraid of big government and government spending, where were they when George W. Bush created the Department of Homleand Security - the largest government agency in history? Where were they when Dick Cheney and their god Ronald Reagan said "deficits don't matter"?

When thinking people see the importance and effects of the health care reform success, they will vote to keep the Democrats in power.

Not to mention the millions disgusted by the year-long hate and fearmongering and by last weekend's display of mob rule.

Posted by: ceefer66 | March 22, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey veronihilverius

Stop talking so sexy!!!
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Im sorry! I cant help it... Tea Baggers turn me on... the same way that Jesse Jame's new Neo-Nazi girl friend does.. the one with the bad 1950s style tats... I just imagine her in my re-education camp

Posted by: veronihilverius | March 22, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse


4 THINGS THAT "REPEALING" THIS LAW WOULD DO (part of a continuing series):

1. Re-open the "doughnut hole" for seniors.
2. Charge seniors more for prescription drugs.
3. Re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition.
4. Banish 25 year-olds from their parents' insurance coverage.

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Here's how the repubicans need to frame health-care bill for the midterms:Publicly and unequivocably refuse the health care we taxpayers provide them. Utterly and without remorse promise never to travers our country using our roads and bridges. Promise without any problem to take their parents off of medicare and medicaid.

We will never ask them to participate in our society ever again, and they can all move to Texas and sit in their baby cribs hurling their feces and insults.

Posted by: swatkins1 | March 22, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"Most of those Democrats opposed the health-care measure throughout the congressional debate, giving them some protection against the expected Republican assault on the measure. "

Are you JOKING??? Or do you really think Americans are that STUPID???

Whoever VOTED for this stinker will be held accountable.

Nice try.

Posted by: thinker16 | March 22, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse


QUESTION: Has the loud but tiny Tea Party movement turned the Republican party into a fringe party?

ANSWER: Yes.

Posted by: paul65 | March 22, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

veronihilverius, you do realize with the new demo health bill that if you dont have health insurance you will be required to pay a 2.5% income penalty tax.

Good news for you and alot of demo's in DC, 2.5% of nothing is still nothing.

Posted by: Italiaxxx | March 22, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse


You think?


the only question is how does Obamacrapcare get thrown out first? A Supreme Court stands firm on Constitutional grounds and throws it out? or the House goes Republican in 2010 and teh Senate and White House in 2012... then it gets repealed and a real Health Care reform package can be implemented that will work instead of just giving favors to unions and empowerign all of Obama's Thugs and bigger government.

Posted by: Obama_TRAITOR_in_Chief | March 22, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I did not just get turned off by the dem's i got turned off by both parties shameful behavior.

VOTE ALL THE BUMS OUT

Posted by: scon101 | March 22, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

If the Dems want to keep their seats they have to push and push H.A.R.D. for financial reform with teeth (based more on Dodd's first proposal) and make sure that gov't is doing what it can to spur the private sector to keep bringing people back to work.

If the Dems sit back and pat themselves on the back for passing this bill they'll get beat up. This was a messy process and while the bill is pretty good as a whole the process leaves a lot of members vulnerable. Bring on some of those other big initiatives of Obama and the 2008 Dems and they'll cruise through mid terms if the Repubs continue to obstruct at every turn.

Oh yea no amnesty for illegals. That'll be a sure way to get your heiny tossed in 2010.

Posted by: theobserver4 | March 22, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

It will take until 2014 for this to become enacted and by that time elections will have alrady taken place.

The real DimoRat killer will be immigration "reform." Nothing boils the American blood more than the thought of giving amnesty to illegals--and that is what Oboma wants and will try to get. It will be a fast track and pass for illegals to becoming eligible to vote for him and his party thugs. Oboma may propose a bunch of lies about his "reforms" but the American people can recognize a pig--even when it is wearing lip stick.

Any proposed fines will and can never be paid. How does an illegal immigrant pay thousands and thousands in fines when it is not possible to pay even a $100 fine? It is blackmail, any way.

All of the features of immigration "reform" will have loopholes that will be used to get amensty.

Posted by: maphound | March 22, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey veronihilverius

Stop talking so sexy!!!

Posted by: mwesty11 | March 22, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: simonsays1 | March 22, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) spent $2,993 in taxpayer money on flowers between June and October.
we have created a politboro'
a class of rulers who live high
off the hog.
time to call the sows home.

Posted by: simonsays1 | March 22, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

GOP Waterloo!

In matters of this magnitude to political-economy of the nation, medium to long term perspective will make absolute fools out of Republicans, me thinks.

Why? Because America is a great democracy and must finally provide for its unsecured citizens - which eventually will add value to the national pot (ie. GDP).

Silly examples used by intelligent Republicans - eg. Sweden - tells you how stupid and uninformed this political class really is. They speak from top of their heads without any fundmental knowledge and/or understanding of ways in which rest of industrialized (OECD) countries have
succeeded in makig HC a basic human right of their citizens.

Of course, current developments are what pundits claim it is: however silly their political perspective.

What actually matters, right now, Obama has finally found his vocation. Just listening to him addressing Dem caucus was intstructive about his intellectual intuition and how much he has come to understand what really ticks beltway politics...this will be henceforth a very changed POTUS. Watch out GOP doom sayers!

Posted by: hariknaidu | March 22, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

And from what I've read in other online major newspapers, the Demorats are already working on "damage control". And IF the threats and bribes can be determined, they should be made public.

Posted by: gmclain | March 22, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

No need to worry, folks. The d-crat socialists up for election/re-election in Nov 2010 AND Nov 2012 will be DEFEATED and this horrific government takeover will be repealed. Americans WILL take back our country from the lunatic left.

Posted by: TeaPartyPatriot | March 22, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

u havent done anything obama. that was hillary clinton idea . theft! just wait until we get a real brother elected lol .

Posted by: murdock_822 | March 22, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Not only the Tea baggers get Tea bagged last night… they got a Cleveland Steamer! Next on Immigration; we can give them a dirty Sanchez!

Posted by: veronihilverius | March 22, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

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