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Pelosi rejects Stupak abortion solution

By Lori Montgomery, Ben Pershing and Paul Kane

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Saturday rejected an offer to hold a separate vote on abortion provisions in the sweeping health-care legislation, setting the stage for the final talks with the last Democratic holdouts.

Pelosi told reporters that she rejected the solution offered by Rep. Bart Stupak (Mich.), the leading antiabortion Democrat who proposed passing separate, strict language that would clarify that no federal funds in the proposed legislation could go toward abortion coverage.

Asked if a vote was coming, Pelosi declared no extra votes would be held to appease antiabortion Democrats or liberals still hopeful for adding their favored causes. "Not on abortion, not on public option, not on single payer, not on anything," Pelosi said. She later added, "The bill is the bill."

Democrats are close to securing the 216 votes needed for a majority when the vote is held Sunday evening, but the last bloc of holdouts are antiabortion Democrats. President Obama and Pelosi have not given up on most of those lawmakers, hoping to win over most of the roughly 10 outstanding votes.

Three antiabortion Democrats from the Rust Belt huddled in an office suite of Pelosi's, emerging to say they were still working on an arrangement to satisfy their needs so they could support the legislation. These last holdouts all supported the first health-care draft in November and are supportive of the new $940 billion compromise, if the abortion matter can be settled.

One possible solution would be the issuance of an executive order by Obama that restated the commitment to adhering to the 32-year ban on federal funds going to abortion services except in the case of rape or incest. Rep. Dianna DeGette (Colo.), the leading abortion-rights Democrat, voiced support for Obama taking such an option, so long as the Stupak provision -- which she believes is worded so strongly it would restrict abortion rights -- is not given another vote.

"That would be fine by me," she told reporters Saturday.

Pelosi said an executive order on abortion "might be a possibility" shortly before disappearing with senior lawmakers into her ceremonial offices. Rep. James Oberstar (D-Minn.), one of the antiabortion lawmakers Pelosi is hoping to persuade to vote for the health bill, said the group was hashing out what exactly an executive order might say.

Stupak's office issued a statement declaring he would like the talks to continue: "Congressman Stupak remains open to working with Speaker Pelosi and the President to reach an agreement that would maintain current law which prohibits federal funding of abortions and health plans that cover abortion."

Pelosi remained defiant that by the time the vote is held Sunday, she would prevail.
"We'll have the votes when we bring the bill to the floor," she said.

By Multiplatform Editor  |  March 20, 2010; 1:01 PM ET
Categories:  Capitol Briefing  | Tags: abortion provision, health care, pelosi, stupak  
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OBAMACARE RAISES PREMIUMS accoding to Congressional Budget Office (CBO):

Elmendorf reiterated the average cost to anyone not covered under an employer policy in a letter to Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.): “Average premiums per policy in the nongroup market in 2016 would be roughly $5,800 for single policies and $15,200 for family policies under the proposal, compared with roughly $5,500 for single policies and $13,100 for family policies under current law.

Experts predict that more and more families will be forced off of employer insurance and have to buy their own coverage because employers will be faced with the choice of paying premiums of several thousands dollars per employee for group insurance or paying a fine of just $750 per employee for not providing coverage.

Posted by: AZPaleocon | March 21, 2010 3:22 AM | Report abuse

Ok folks, bear with me, because, obviously, i'm not as smart as you but explain these points to me: (1) Instead of 2,000+ pages for all this, how about Congress just growing some stones, and regulating the insurance industry? They have that authority, you know (commerce clause). Glen Beck is a lunatic, but he does have one good point: 2,000 pages? For something they're empowered to do already?? How many pages is the CONSTITUTION? (3)How can you increase the number of patients, while the number of doctors is declining, and say there won't be "rationing?" Well, there's "rationing" now (see: Medicare; lifetime expenditure caps), but still. (4) How can you even conisder raises taxes in a recession? (5)Most importanty, if, as someone who can barely afford to live now, my taxes are going up immediately, WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT FOUR YEARS FOR THE BENEFITS! They could pass it TODAY, and people won't be covered until 2014. Doesn't that smell to anyone else? Put the emotions and ideology and good intentions aside, and DO SIMPLE MATH. How do you add a new trillion dollar entitlement when present ones are unsustainable, and tell us the COSTS WILL GO DOWN? We are not stupid. Or, maybe we are.

Posted by: brucewla | March 20, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Help Connie Saltonstall Defeat Bart Stupid for Congress.

Bart Stupak stated (in an interview on FOX News) that he does not listen to the nuns because these courage women and nuns are "lower" on the Catholic Churches' hierarchy.

Help defeat Bart Stupak in his zeal to kill reform by supporting his primary challenger, Connie Saltonstall.

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Posted by: Gone_Rogue | March 20, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

There was a post on the site's main page with a headline indicating that some Tea Party activists called Reps. Clyburn and Lewis the n-word today. What happened to that post? Did it get deleted, or is it being worked into a larger article?

I read on The Hill website that Rep. Cleaver also got spit on by a Tea Party protester. Does the Post have coverage of this? I'd like to read further investigation if it exists.

Posted by: dkp01 | March 20, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Congressman Stupak should apologize to Nuns about not needing to consult them when dealing with right to life issues. They continue to be on the front lines regarding right to life and quality of life issues for pregnant women and girls; quality of life for needy women, men, and their families, and the quality of their end of life care. As a non-denominational healthcare provider, I consider them to be highly respected consultants.

Posted by: wedgerowland | March 20, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

For the life of me I cant figure out what this controversy is about. I have read the language in the House bill and the Senate Bill and I see no problem - abortion is not funded. If Stupak is saying that no policy will be offered in the exchange that will include an abortion clause, even though it will be separately paid for by the consumer, that is overreaching and in any case, not certainly a point to hold up the health care bill.

Posted by: rocky | March 20, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Believe me ... if men could get pregnant, this bill would be laced with abortion provisions and abortion earmarks!

Posted by: unseenmirage | March 20, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I am sick to death of debating the abortion issue. Abortion is a medical proceedure... no different than getting a gall stone removed. If we can ever evolve away from this issue... the sooner we can move to more pressing medical issues of the day. We have those die in the street... because they have no insurance... where are the radical antiabortionist on this front... we have cancer patients... that die unnesassarily... where are the antiaborionist on that front?? If your pro life... then protect that life that exists in a realistic form... The continued debate as to when it is that "Life" actually starts is in the eye of the beholder... who relegated you to make that decision?? Make a difference... move on.

Posted by: BobbyYarush | March 20, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

You can get an abortion for about $300 if you use RU-486.

That's not really worth filing an insurance claim in the first place.

This debate is from 1970. Technology has gone WAY beyond cancelling the effectiveness of trying to deny federal funding as a way to curb the number of abortions.

Posted by: lpeter59 | March 20, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Dear God, help give us the strength to do the right thing (provide health care for those who need it) and to avoid the wrong (supporting the taking of innocent life) oakwinds

Posted by: oakwinds | March 20, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

All industrial nations with universal healthcare, even those where abortion is FREE and LEGAL, have lower abortion rates than ours. Every one of them. That's because having adequate healthcare also means people will use prevention such as diaphragms, and they'll also be more likely to take a pregnancy to term if they have decent healthcare.

By threatening this bill, Bart Stupak is trashing his own mission. But I guess that's par for the course when you're talking about zealots--especially male zealots with the gall to demand control over women's lives and bodies.

Posted by: yogi11 | March 20, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

God, help us do right (provide healthcare to all who need it at a reasonable cost) and help us to refuse evil--the taking of innocent life.

Posted by: oakwinds | March 20, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Sure.

Special votes on all legislation that aren't morally pure.

Many Americans do not want their tax dollars to fund the bullets and bombs that kill people in war.

So tack a special vote on the defense appropriations bill allowing those Americans opposed to killing to opt out of this funding.

Or add another page to Income tax forms, so that Americans can opt out of funding wars and killing.

Our legislation is full of provisions that are less than morally pure in their effect.

So if we are to further debate the federal funding of certain health care procedures such as the D&C, then let's debate bullets, and bombs, and weapons, and all procedures and devices that are not morally above reproach and controversy.

Posted by: nmrcltr | March 20, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Clinton. Pelosi.

Why does it seem like women are the ONLY politicians with any stones these days.

Cross Obama, you MAY get a disappointed look. Cross Pelosi, she'll tear your head off and hand it to you.

Posted by: lpeter59 | March 20, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Yep...for sure infantry11b4faus, affordable health care is a Stalinist, Marxist plot to take over the U.S. and turn it into a Vsigoth inspired empire ruled by Amazon goddesses from Venus.

Posted by: nashvillemykl | March 20, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

If the Catholic Church (which claims to believe health care is a human right) turns around and trashes this health care reform bill because of its moderate abortion language, then we will know where the Catholic Church and its representatives like Stupak really stand.

I think the anti-abortion people are just like the public-option people. If they want their case argued, pass this bill and then put in your own separate bills outside this process to argue your case.

In my state alone, a GOP governor and legislature cut tens of thousands of poor children off Medicaid. In the nation as a whole, there a millions without any access to health care except for brief trips to emergency rooms (which we all pay for through increases in our insurance premiums, by the way).

You can't claim to care about those poor people, and then trash this bill because you didn't get everything you wanted.

Pass the bill and deal with your issues, not as a part of the business on this bill, but through a separate process altogether.

Posted by: tinyjab40

The Catholic Church [Vatican] is busy dealing with PR on pedophile priest and the bishops/cardinals that protected them. That's way more important than this health reform bill.

The Catholic Hospital Association supports the bill and affirms it doesn't use taxpayer funds for abortion and Sister Simone Campbell, the executive director of Network, a Catholic social justice lobbying organization supports the bill as well.

Who are we to trust on whether this bill funds for abortions, The Catholic Hospital Association and 59,000 nuns not to mention a bunch of Evangelical theologians, or Stupak and some guy by the name of Ramesh Ponnuru. ...

Right Matters ... I always turn to matters of theology to some dude named Ramesh Ponnuru. ...

Posted by: James10 | March 20, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

you cant trust these lying dems.
they say the bill does not allow for public financing of abortion but you cant get them to actually write that into the law.
so now we have death panels and death without panels - just walk in and kill your baby.
what a bill.
stalin would be proud of nancy and harry.
stalin said - "its not who votes that counts, its who counts the votes."
pelosi went uncle joe one better - she wont even let them vote. what a perfect marxist.

Posted by: infantry11b4faus | March 20, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Negotiating is one thing but Bart Simpson crossing Peloski and then having to face her for the next 9 months is NOT where he wants to be.

An abortion will seem like a sunday school picnic compared to the hell she would heap on him.

Posted by: lpeter59 | March 20, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that nearly ALL the posts attacking the health care bill say something about Congress members who vote for the bill loosing their seats in the next election as if THEIR SEATS were the important issue. That just goes to show how the Republicans think. Everything is about what is good for THEM, nothing is about what is good for the country. For Republicans, SELF comes before all else.

Posted by: nashvillemykl | March 20, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

If the government funded Medicare program won’t cover what most consider “basic elective needs” for seniors, why would you expect abortion coverage for the general population?

Posted by: asmith1

Another brilliant conservative, I would expect the demand of Medicare patients, ie., over the age of 65 for elective abortion is "minimal".

Medicaid does cover abortion under certain circumstances and women in the military are eligible for elective breast enhancements. Hence paid for with US taxpayer funds.

To the best of my knowledge breast enhancement hasn't been established by the Supreme Court of the United States as a Constitutionally protected right.

This Senate Bill, unfortunately, places a silly requirement for a separate check to be written to make sure that non-abortion payments don't intermingle with elective abortion payments ... the slippery slope argument I suppose. If that abortion money touches non-abortion money God knows what's next. Perhaps black money will touch white money.

Stupak isn't trying to prevent the subsidy of taxpayer funds of abortion. The bill already does that. And the bill didn't even need to state it anyway. It is already precluded under existing law. The only reason it was added was to appease the anti-choice crowd. Stupak is trying to create a set of convoluted criteria so the insurance companies won't offer an option for elective abortion coverage.

He's trying to insert himself between a doctor and a patient.

The real choice Stupak wants to offer women: Choose between a coat hanger abortion and insurmountable debt due to pregnancy.

What he should be giving women: You shouldn't even have to think about the cost of pregnancy, your health, or the health of the baby because of lack of access to medical care. Women have enough to worry about during pregnancy.

That is a position that is moral and removes himself between the doctor and the woman.

Posted by: James10 | March 20, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

If the Catholic Church (which claims to believe health care is a human right) turns around and trashes this health care reform bill because of its moderate abortion language, then we will know where the Catholic Church and its representatives like Stupak really stand.

I think the anti-abortion people are just like the public-option people. If they want their case argued, pass this bill and then put in your own separate bills outside this process to argue your case.

In my state alone, a GOP governor and legislature cut tens of thousands of poor children off Medicaid. In the nation as a whole, there a millions without any access to health care except for brief trips to emergency rooms (which we all pay for through increases in our insurance premiums, by the way).

You can't claim to care about those poor people, and then trash this bill because you didn't get everything you wanted.

Pass the bill and deal with your issues, not as a part of the business on this bill, but through a separate process altogether.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | March 20, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Fart Stupid and the Moron Cons should have been aborted along with the Guns Owned Party of Born Again Bigots, Fairy Tale Based Frauds, Pro Life Mass Murdering Serial Killing War Criminals and the National Right to Annihilate Gun Clinging Cowards. The RetardiCon Party of NO are full of Hypocrite Idiot Bigots.

Posted by: mawt | March 20, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

All of Pelosi's poodles get in line and do what Queen Nancy says.

No barking!

(Oh, keep in mind that the voters, not the media, decide if you keep your seat in the Novermber Purge.)

Posted by: Soloflexerus | March 20, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I am a Christian but when it comes to abortion personally I am against it unless there is some crime involved or strange relationship amomg family members or it endangers life and a choice has to be made which is very hard to decide. The thing to me is having a group or other people deciding what is best for me and my family on the issue. How can you make one moral or be judgemental as to how one wants to live their life. I feel like give your opinion but don't decide for anyone. It is their life and they have to answer alone with their choice of God or whatever religious values they choose. So, all this anti-abortion stuff is at most another way of pushing things down people's throats. It will not make one any better. We have to face our fate alone. And none of these people will be there with you one way or the other.

Posted by: Scar1 | March 20, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

hmmmmnnnnnn.........wonder if lori mntgomery has read this article

by lori montgemery


today

House leaders plan separate health vote, rejecting 'deem and pass'


By Lori Montgomery
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, March 20, 2010; 2:31 PM
House leaders have decided to take a separate vote on the Senate health-care bill, rejecting an earlier, much-criticized strategy that would have permitted them to "deem" the unpopular measure passed without an explicit vote.

Posted by: praetorian-guard | March 20, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Ha! Take that Ramesh and stuff it right up your ponnuru!

Posted by: ozpunk | March 20, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gnichols52 | March 20, 2010 2:15 PM: How is it that one can deny public funding for a medical procedure, that in virtually all performed instances, is perfectly legal? Abortion, regardless of cases of rape or incest!, are legal procedures in the U.S. …………………

Elective cosmetic surgery and elective dental surgery are perfectly legal medical procedures as well, but neither government funded nor private health insurance policies cover these procedures.

Medicare (the great government health care plan) doesn’t cover dentures, eye glasses and hearing aids. They are covered by private supplemental insurance.

If the government funded Medicare program won’t cover what most consider “basic elective needs” for seniors, why would you expect abortion coverage for the general population?

Posted by: asmith1 | March 20, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Nice going Speaker Pelosi. The American people will love you for what you and the President is doing for this country.

Posted by: truth1 | March 20, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Let's examine the compensation of the CEO, COO, President and other Officers of these Health Insurers. Then you'll know why that "special procedure" you need cost too much but the Health Insurance Industry and the Republican party can pay for the disruptions at these so-called "Town Hall" meetings. As far as the "Blue Dog" Democrats are concerned they had another name back in the '60s, they were called "Dixiecrats" and as soon as the civil rights bill passed they all switched to the Republican Party. Know this, if this bill passes there will be over 32 million voters who will thank the party that gave them "Health Care" when they had none. Further, those whose health insurance premiums remained stable or dropped, will also thank the political party that looked out for them. The Republicans are toast!

Posted by: Taylorsucram | March 20, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

happyday 3 wrote:


The Democrats need to fund abortion and place Planned Parenthood clinics in all our public schools because:

1. It will curtail entitlements from blacks, browns and the poor and poorly educated people and illegal aliens.

2. Planned Parenthood spent in 2008 $350 million to the democrat's campaign funds, and it is payback time. $11 billion dollars into their pockets when this bill passes.

They have signed away the American Taxpayers to the devil.... and it is payback time.

Planned Parenthood is in the midst of building mega, super center abortion clinics all over the nation. Reaping billions of dollars a year from our children and scarring them for life.

++++++++++++++++++++++

ProCounsel replied:

Excellent post.

ironic that obamacare is gong down over abortion--when a planned parent hack will abort your baby for only $300-$500 cash

this was NEVER about coverage for abortion--even self absorbed teenagers get the money together for it everyday--and many of the fathers are older men eager to destroy the evidence of statutory rape with the assistance of planned parenthood

no--this was about making all america have abortion blood on our hands

Posted by: praetorian-guard | March 20, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

GOOD! (I'm a life long Republican!) Save the tax payers money in the long run - significantly!.. When are Irish Catholics & baptists going to realize we have something called separation of church & state.. I need to punch a pro-lifer - it will make me feel good.

Posted by: genbarlow | March 20, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

This nation aborts 1,500,000 innocent infants per year. If the healthcare bill fosters this, it is NOT an advancement in extending our lives, but quite the reverse.

Pelosi is evil. Her "Abortion Solution" is a "Final Option", much like the Nazi's used.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | March 20, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Some of you are pretty naive if you think Pelosi won't have the votes. She said she'll have the votes when the bill comes to the floor and she will. As for the Republicans: Gingrich knows how stupidly this bunch of Repubs have played their hand.

Posted by: loadtogo | March 20, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

house dems

regret giving in to the strong arm pressure from the white house on obamacare??

Its NOT too late

if your conscience is bothering you about the mandatory abortion coverage in obamacare, the money lies, or just the thugster team obama unconstitutional tactics

if you feel morally filthy just from being around team obama

don’t say anything to anyone–no matter what you said before

then just vote NO on obamacare

in the Bible 2 women were ordered by the egyptian pharoah to abort Israelite children. lets see what they did:

Exodus 1 (The Bible)

5 The king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, whose names were Shiphrah and Puah, 16 "When you help the Hebrew women in childbirth and observe them on the delivery stool, if it is a boy, kill him; but if it is a girl, let her live." 17 The midwives, however, feared God and did not do what the king of Egypt had told them to do; they let the boys live. 18 Then the king of Egypt summoned the midwives and asked them, "Why have you done this? Why have you let the boys live?"

19 The midwives answered Pharaoh, "Hebrew women are not like Egyptian women; they are vigorous and give birth before the midwives arrive."

20 So God was kind to the midwives and the people increased and became even more numerous. 21 And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families of their own.

Fear G-d and vote against mandatory abortion coverage in obamacare. these midwives “disobeyed” pharoah and lied–to save lives. and G-d blessed them. Vote NO.

its ok to deceive the deceivers......

obamacare–evil

Posted by: praetorian-guard | March 20, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Stupak is working more for his re-election than anything else. If he really cared about abortion why doesn't he work toward ending the goverment subsidize employer based health care plans which do cover some abortions. I guess he doesn't care about 30 million Americans without health care but he doesn't want to upset labor or big business.

Posted by: rj2008 | March 20, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Good! Stupak and his acolytes (assuming there really are any names on his "mystery list", or even any list) are nothing but grandstanders. It's patently obvious that the Senate language fully implements the intent of Hyde. Bar the door to Stupak's unnecessary and inflammatory amendment!

Posted by: laboo | March 20, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

The Dems. want to make history. In Nov. they will be.

Posted by: sparty86 | March 20, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a vile, ignorant, pathetic and thoroughly ridiculous creature.

IMHO.

Posted by: thebump | March 20, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

The wife to the slug, or Mrs. Slug, is no less anxious for the opportunity for her husband, the slug in the White House to lift the ban on this hideous procedure.

With the U.S. Supreme Court majority decision, written by liberal Justice Anthony Kennedy and joined by John Roberts, Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia, that called killing a baby the taking of life, Obama's wife asked supporters to pay $150 to attend a luncheon for her husband, who would fight against "cynical ploy[s]" to continue this type of killing described below even though it was against the law:

"Dr. Haskell went in with forceps and grabbed the baby's legs and pulled them down into the birth canal. Then he delivered the baby's body and the arms;everything but the head. The doctor kept the head right inside the uterus. The baby's little fingers were clasping and unclasping, and his little feet were kicking. Then the doctor stuck the scissors in the back of his head, and the baby's arms jerked out, like a startle reaction, like a flinch, like a baby does when he thinks he is going to fall....The doctor opened up the scissors, stuck a high-powered suction tube into the opening, and sucked the baby's brains out. Now the baby went completely limp. He cut the umbilical cord and delivered the placenta. He threw the baby in a pan, along with the placenta and the instruments he had just used."

Posted by: kwoods2 | March 20, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Either the "live count" is not live, or Nancy P is lying.

Posted by: asmith1 | March 20, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

How is it that one can deny public funding for a medical procedure, that in virtually all performed instances, is perfectly legal? Abortion, regardless of cases of rape or incest!, are legal procedures in the U.S. What if the majority of Americans (note I did not say Democrats or Republicans) proclaimed, on religious/moral grounds, that to perform heart transplants was "playing God," and refused federal funding for this procedure? If individuals can choose whether or not their dollars fund, as in a health bill, abortion, why cannot I legally decide whether or not I want my federal dollars used to invade a non-aggressive nation, or to fund any particular military engagement?

Posted by: gnichols52 | March 20, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

This woman, if you can call her one, is a disgrace to her religion. A hypocrite in the first degree.

Posted by: MRGB | March 20, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

The best news yet - Speaker Pelosi has spoken - no further votes to be held for Stupak's vote. He is entitled to his views, but his intransigence comes across in a way as "frivolous". His denigration of the views of the nuns over those of the bishops is almost sexist and is surely biased, with no factual basis for his opinion. So be it if Nancy and her caucus can scrounge up the votes without further kowtowing to this one member of congress.

For all the criticism of Pelosi and Reid, they have had their feet held to the fire, and are proving themselves capable of doing their job for all of us. I hope by Sunday evening, we will truly have passed this historic bill.

Posted by: jbleenyc | March 20, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

It strikes me as odd that, Nancy Pelosi, after being chastised by the Council of Bishops for saying that she has been given the gift of Freewill, she is free to CHOOSE abortion, she is still publicly praying to St. Joseph to get healthcare through. Does she think St.Joe can also be bullied into supporting tax supported abortion, by this VERY scary powerful woman?
Denial is a powerful thing.

Posted by: NYCFiredog | March 20, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

congress should beware

once obama gets used to "deeming" laws

without specific votes

who needs a whiny congress???

see, obama knows none of the other dictators
in north korea, syria or venezuela have to tolerate a congress??

they just "deem" laws

pssssst...don't tell anyone but rahm has already bought obama a scepter

Posted by: praetorian-guard | March 20, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Alice in Wonderland

believed 3 impossibilities before breakfast each day

but Alice in Wonderland was an amateur compared to Pelosi the Delusional

who is demanding a vote NOT on the senate bill but that the senate bill is “deemed” approved

then stating “the bill is the bill”


Posted by: praetorian-guard | March 20, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The slug in the White House has yearned for the opportunity to lift the ban on this hideous procedure.

"Dr. Haskell went in with forceps and grabbed the baby's legs and pulled them down into the birth canal. Then he delivered the baby's body and the arms;everything but the head. The doctor kept the head right inside the uterus. The baby's little fingers were clasping and unclasping, and his little feet were kicking. Then the doctor stuck the scissors in the back of his head, and the baby's arms jerked out, like a startle reaction, like a flinch, like a baby does when he thinks he is going to fall....The doctor opened up the scissors, stuck a high-powered suction tube into the opening, and sucked the baby's brains out. Now the baby went completely limp. He cut the umbilical cord and delivered the placenta. He threw the baby in a pan, along with the placenta and the instruments he had just used."

After the ban was upheld on this horrific procedure in the court case Gonzales vs. Carhart also known as Gonzales vs. Planned Parenthood, which Planned Parenthood fought for, argued for, and lost all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, to continue this killing where they lost in the high court, the slug in the White House stated:

"I am extremely concerned that [Gonzales v. Carhart] will embolden state legislatures to enact further measures to restrict a woman's right to choose, and that the conservative Supreme Court justices will look for other opportunities to erode Roe v. Wade."

Posted by: kwoods2 | March 20, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

It angers me that such a fuss is made over the "abortion issue!" Abortion is STILL a LEGAL OPTION FOR any female who is pregnant! Frankly, I feel that Federal Funds SHOULD be used for abortion. They are used for a hysterectomy, another legal procedure, that is often "elective."
This whole scenario is just a set up so that the Republicans can block anything that President Obama wants to do. They are "turned inside out" because there is a Democrat in the White House, escpecially, a Democrat who is of mixed race. WOW, that just sets their racial teeth on edge. Too, darn bad about them. This bill, while not the best, inasmuch as it does not include either a Single Payer System or a Public Option, is a START! We, can improve it as time goes on. Read your history, the same thing happened with Social Security and Medicare. Republicans.....stop your selfishness, think of the middle class and poor for a change instead of your wealthy buddies, i. e. the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical companies that literally bribe you to vote THEIR way, as they did with Medicare Part D with its no price negotiation on medications, no buying in bulk to save the tax payer's money.
Where were you Republicans when Bush and company declared their ILLEGAL WAR on Iraq, a country which was of NO threat to the US? Why didn't you want to "save money" then??? That war and the war in Afghanistan have cost us trillions of dollars. YOU didn't seem to have any heartburn with spending under the Bush administration. That administration took our surplus and turned into a deficit FAST!!!

Posted by: Chessie2 | March 20, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

jacques wrote>>>>Those who would be ruled and be spoon fed by these clowns should remember the courts are available.

Yes, some states have already used taxpayer dollars to draft or pass legislation to revoke ObamaCare that will reduce health care costs for states and middle class taxpayers.
Fox News Paranoia reigns supreme!
lol

Posted by: angie12106 | March 20, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

jacques wrote>>>>Those who would be ruled and be spoon fed by these clowns should remember the courts are available.

Yes, some states have already used taxpayer dollars to draft or pass legislation to revoke ObamaCare that will reduce health care costs for states and middle class taxpayers.
Fox News Paranoia reigns supreme!
lol

Posted by: angie12106 | March 20, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Bart Stupid and the other Democrats do not have the right to try and change abortion law. The law already states that federal funds can not be used for abortion. As a woman I'am tired of men trying to tell me what I can do with body!

Posted by: jhop1104 | March 20, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

lingering_lead wrote: I was perfectly healthy until Bush took over the Presidency in 2000. Thank you Speaker Pelosi, your likeness should be put on our Nation's flag.
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I hope the new Healthcare system can help you with your chronic ignorance, but I doubt it. Pelosi's likeness seems more at home adorning a Mexican flag.
Posted by: OhTheHumanity | March 20, 2010 1:43 PM

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Sarcasm, my blind friend. Sarcasm.

Posted by: lingering_lead | March 20, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Bravo, Speaker Pelosi. Bart, shut up. Take your weird idea that you control abortion in this country somewhere else That subject was decided a long, long time ago. IF you want to hold a debate on this, rent a hall and call all those who are interested. Don't expect to fill half of the seats, because you are alone in this. Even your "dozen", which might have been four or five, are leaving you alone on this.

Posted by: ronjeske | March 20, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Righties OPPOSE these ObamaCare benefits for their parents, children, friends, relatives - effective THIS YEAR......

+ Children no longer denied coverage for pre-existing conditions
+ No more doughnut hole for seniors
+ Ban on dropping coverage when the insured get sick
+ Children stay on parents' policies until they're 26 years
+ No maximum on lifetime or annual benefits

YaaaaaaaY!!

Posted by: angie12106 | March 20, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Don't know why WaPo has an "updated" list on the front page - since they're not updating it.
Bean, Bishop, & Hill are all "ayes."
WooHoo! This is HISTORIC!

So much better 7 years later to be voting to SAVE lives and decrease health care costs - rather than 2 oil men in the White House bombing a country that had NOTHING to do with Sept. 11.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 20, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be a hoot if after Obama destroys his own party to pass this bill, the Supreme Court that he so publicly disrespected nullifies the law.

Talk about a win-win for America!

Posted by: JCM-51 | March 20, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

So, in the next election, can we deem that we have voted all of these cowardly democrats out of office without actually voting?

Posted by: oldiesfan1 | March 20, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"One possible solution would be the issuance of an executive order by Obama that restated the commitment to adhering to the 32-year ban on federal funds going to abortion services except in the case of rape or incest."

Yah, Sure, Ya Betcha like the slug in the White House is going to issue an executive order to protect babies when the slug promised Planned Parenthood in July 2007, that his "first act" as President would be to sign the Freedom of Genocide of the Unborn Act which bill he co-sponsored which is a bill that would invalidate all state and federal regulations on genocide of the unborn, and end all restrictions on government genocide of the unborn funding.

The funding would include covering this heinous procedure:

"Dr. Haskell went in with forceps and grabbed the baby's legs and pulled them down into the birth canal. Then he delivered the baby's body and the arms;everything but the head. The doctor kept the head right inside the uterus. The baby's little fingers were clasping and unclasping, and his little feet were kicking. Then the doctor stuck the scissors in the back of his head, and the baby's arms jerked out, like a startle reaction, like a flinch, like a baby does when he thinks he is going to fall....The doctor opened up the scissors, stuck a high-powered suction tube into the opening, and sucked the baby's brains out. Now the baby went completely limp. He cut the umbilical cord and delivered the placenta. He threw the baby in a pan, along with the placenta and the instruments he had just used."

Posted by: kwoods2 | March 20, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Pelousi once again disregards the people.
Those who would be ruled and be spoon fed by these clowns should remember the courts are available.

petergate if this is the best the Democrats can do...then let us look at the special deals, the hospitals to buy votes, the special exemptions, the no union tax unitl 2018 etc..Maybe some ethics would be nice as their best is what many of us consider slime and sleeze. You must live in Chicago??

Posted by: jacques21 | March 20, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Q: If Pelosi, Reid & Obama were in a boat in the middle of the ocean and the boat began to sink who would be saved?
A: AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: LeeInOceanside | March 20, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats need to fund abortion and place Planned Parenthood clinics in all our public schools because:

1. It will curtail entitlements from blacks, browns and the poor and poorly educated people and illegal aliens.

2. Planned Parenthood spent in 2008 $350 million to the democrat's campaign funds, and it is payback time. $11 billion dollars into their pockets when this bill passes.

They have signed away the American Taxpayers to the devil.... and it is payback time.

Planned Parenthood is in the midst of building mega, super center abortion clinics all over the nation. Reaping billions of dollars a year from our children and scarring them for life.

Posted by: happyday3 | March 20, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

How bad can abortion be? I think it is safe to assume that a majority of those getting these abortions are liberal Democrats.

That's a lot of potential liberal democrat voters we do not have to worry about!

God bless Nancy Pelosi!

Posted by: heathergreeneyes | March 20, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

lingering_lead wrote: I was perfectly healthy until Bush took over the Presidency in 2000. Thank you Speaker Pelosi, your likeness should be put on our Nation's flag.
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I hope the new Healthcare system can help you with your chronic ignorance, but I doubt it. Pelosi's likeness seems more at home adorning a Mexican flag.

Posted by: OhTheHumanity | March 20, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi is correct in limiting Bart Stupak's fifteen minutes of fame. This bill is not, I repeat NOT about abortion. This bill with the Hyde Amendment intact, is a bill which will insure 33 million additional citizens in our nation who do not have health insurance because of pre-existing conditions, loss of employment or abject poverty. Bart Stupak should get over himself (as well as should the Bishops and Pope in the Catholic Church). I am not sure if Bart Stupak is so religious that he can decide for the remainder of us that a "Death Panel" for many of our citizens is appropriate. If he wants to argue the abortion issue at a more appropriate time, I may even agree with him but he is being unreasonable.

Posted by: gilbertpb40 | March 20, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"One possible solution would be the issuance of an executive order by Obama that restated the commitment to adhering to the 32-year ban on federal funds going to abortion services except in the case of rape or incest."

Yah, Sure, Ya Betcha like the slug in the White House is going to issue an executive order to protect babies when the slug promised Planned Parenthood in July 2007, that his "first act" as President would be to sign the Freedom of Genocide of the Unborn Act which bill he co-sponsored which is a bill that would invalidate all state and federal regulations on genocide of the unborn, and end all restrictions on government genocide of the unborn funding.

Posted by: kwoods2 | March 20, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Good for Pelosi. If any liberal or conservative Democrat votes No and sinks health care at this point because of quibbles about abortion or the public option, this would be a truly breathtaking act of political irresponsibility. Such a representative would have shown profound disregard for the welfare of the United States and its citizens. Their continuation in office would be an insult to every American who voted a Democratic ticket.

Posted by: opinionpieces | March 20, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

How ironic is this Ms. Pelosi! First she prays to Saint Joseph to help her legalize federal funding of abortion. Then she asks prolife representatives to trust a presidential order the can be reversed with a flick of the pen on Good Friday (you know, the day we commemorate the death of that other Messiah).

This tax-hiking, government-growing, healthcare rationing bill is revolutionary. It is a raw power play designed to entrench the Chicago Mob and its ancillary gagglers for a generation, during which they can destroy what remains of freedom in this country. Whatever good people do to stop it will serve the common good and the country, the cause of liberty and the Constitution.

Nancy Pelosi is America's Madame Ceauşescu. Don't let her take the country down!

Posted by: chrisinwien | March 20, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The present occupant in the White House promised Planned Parenthood, in July 2007, that his "first act" as President would be to sign the Freedom of Extermination Act which bill he co-sponsored which is a bill that would invalidate all state and federal regulations on extermination, and end all restrictions on government extermination funding.

Posted by: kwoods2 | March 20, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

THE DEMOCRATE'S KNOW WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE MOST HISTORIC BILLS THAT THE DEMOCRATE'S CAN GIVE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Posted by: petergaeta | March 20, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I feel healthier already. I was perfectly healthy until Bush took over the Presidency in 2000. Now, I can finally breathe again. Thank you Speaker Pelosi, your likeness should be put on our Nation's flag.

Posted by: lingering_lead | March 20, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

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