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GOP to force vote on 'deem and pass' strategy

By Ben Pershing
Just in case the process for passing health care wasn't confusing enough already, House Republicans announced a plan Tuesday that would force Democrats to vote on whether they should have a vote.

Adding a wrinkle to the ongoing war of words between the two parties over the propriety of using the "deem and pass" strategy for the Senate health care bill, the GOP will introduce a resolution "ensuring an up-or-down vote" on the Senate bill following "at least one hour of debate" on the measure.

Rep. Parker Griffith (Ala.) -- who switched from Democrat to Republican in December primarily because of his opposition to health reform -- is expected to introduce the resolution Tuesday, according to GOP aides. Democrats could move to table the measure or refer it to committee, but no matter what, lawmakers will have to take some sort of vote this week on the question of whether the proposed strategy should be allowed.

"By supporting this resolution, Democrats can demonstrate that they will not try to hide from their constituents," Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said.

Democrats continued to point out that Republicans used self-executing rules dozens of times while they were in the majority, and suggested Republicans were trying to distract from the real discussion of what's actually in the reform bill.

"If you don't want to talk about substance, [you] talk about process," Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said.

By Ben Pershing  |  March 16, 2010; 4:12 PM ET
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Boehner was hiding from his constituents today, hiding out at the American Bankers' Association. A long way from Southwest Ohio.

He was there telling his owner/masters how bad the Dems will be punished if they pass health care.

Ironic, maybe he should have been telling the bankers to work on good loans to main street instead of nursing their addiction to the global craps tables!

Posted by: gradya3 | March 17, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse


Will Freedom and our Democratic Republic Survive?

Or will Barack Obama take another leap closer to fulfilling the Marxist Dreams of his Father?

Posted by: Obama_TRAITOR_in_Chief | March 17, 2010 6:33 AM | Report abuse

Obama has said, repeatedly, that he wanted and up or down vote. But suddenly, when a lot of Dems don't want their yea votes associated with their names, the up or down voting is tossed away. What sleazy Chicago style politics. I don't think Obama realized, coming from Chicago, that when you shine a bright light, people can recognize vermin scurrying for cover.

Posted by: Georgetowner1 | March 17, 2010 6:17 AM | Report abuse

Obama has said, repeatedly, that he wanted and up or down vote. But suddenly, when a lot of Dems don't want their yea votes associated with their names, the up or down voting is tossed away. What sleazy Chicago style politics. I don't think Obama realized, coming from Chicago, that when you shine a bright light, people can recognize vermin scurrying for cover.

Posted by: Georgetowner1 | March 17, 2010 6:17 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and one more thing about the newest talking point of the progressives shouting at their opponents, "we won, so put up and shut up -- or worst, go to hell!" ..... as an Iranian American I know another rogue dogmatic extremist ruinous regime who barked the same way at the bamboozled people who thought they were voting for hope-change-unity-prosperity thirty long years ago. It didn't turn out nicely FOR THE PEOPLE; ALL THE PEOPLE!

Pride making warped arguments is no virtue!

Posted by: pouran-doukht | March 17, 2010 1:19 AM | Report abuse

re a few points made here:

Big, bad, eevil pharma IS in the pockets of the Dems -- or is it vice versa, who's buttering whose chops. (No matter, in the end it is ONLY WE regular folks, Democrat and Republican and independent, who are at each other's throats, who're getting stiffed.)

Middle class IS the first and foremost segment of society to pay and suffer for obummercare boondoggle IF it passes. They suffer because of the coming economic stagflation brought on by unsustainable trillions dollar national debt which will hurt the middle class bottom line and their and their children's job prospects worst than any other group, on top of the rising out-of-control taxation hitting their pocketbooks hardest -- call it obummer's middle-class squeeze! Ironic ha? -- on top of fouler and fouler government-controlled entities running every aspect of their lives and biting off more and more of their constitutionally gifted entitlements of liberty and freedom as American citizens!!!

Some price to pay for "free" doctors visits, no?!

Posted by: pouran-doukht | March 17, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Maybe if this thing passes jrh will get the medical attention he is crying out for.

Posted by: goexplode | March 17, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

jrh, man, see a doctor, you need help.

Posted by: larry9 | March 17, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

WHAT WOULD NEWT GINGRICH DO?

WHAT WOULD DICK ARMEY DO?

WHAT WOULD TOM DELAY DO?

WHAT WOULD MITCH MCCONNELL DO?

WHAT WOULD JOHN BOEHNER DO?

WHAT WOULD DICK CHENEY DO?

WHAT WOULD GEORGE BUSH DO?

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | March 16, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

How does the American government continue to spend money when for the most part we have surpassed our GDP in money owed to the Federal Reserve??!! I guess the rules of bankruptcy don't apply to our government, just to the American people!!!
And why does our country not own and control it's currency??!! Why does an independent central bank (The
Federal Reserve)own and control our dollar,economy and political system!!! THE FED IS NOT A BRANCH OF OUR GOVERNMENT!!! The FED has been bleeding America of it's wealth since 1913!!! AMERICA WAKE UP!!!!
www.AmericaWakeUpNow.net

Posted by: AMERICAWAKEUPNOW | March 16, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

How does the American government continue to spend money when for the most part we have surpassed our GDP in money owed to the Federal Reserve??!! I guess the rules of bankruptcy don't apply to our government, just to the American people!!!
And why does our country not own and control it's currency??!! Why does an independent central bank (The
Federal Reserve)own and control our dollar,economy and political system!!! THE FED IS NOT A BRANCH OF OUR GOVERNMENT!!! The FED has been bleeding America of it's wealth since 1913!!! AMERICA WAKE UP!!!!
www.AmericaWakeUpNow.net

Posted by: AMERICAWAKEUPNOW | March 16, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Good for the GOP. Blind left wing hatred notwithstanding, GOP is absolutely right. This IS a republic based on democracy. Thank you.

Posted by: EcoAZ1 | March 16, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama and Pelosi are woefully ignorant of the American public.
Obama and Pelosi are so conceited and fanatical they are dysfunctional.
Obama and Pelosi believe they are smarter than the American people.
Obama and Pelosi never invisioned the blowback they are receiving.
Obama and Pelosi, et al, are rogues and must be impeached.

Posted by: prossers7 | March 16, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Credit? Who wants the credit for this Healthcare bill? Democrats? I guess that's why Speaker Pelosi said today, 'nobody wants to vote for this bill'. Why have the republicans been shut-out of this process? Because their "ideas" aren't valid? Do any of you believe the cost for health insurance wouldn't go down if we could shop across state lines, or customize a policy for our lifestyle? This isn't about individuals caring for their health care needs at an affordable rate. It's about receivables to the government treasury. For those of you who have never hired employees and never had to make a payroll, you probably do not know who increased payroll cost WILL affect your business. Our government has spent the money every employer has sent to them this year plus 1.6 TRILLION. The government is going to the only place that can send them money, the "rich Republicans", running their own business, building billable goods and services in their hometown, employing their neighbors, friends, and relatives, and remitting their payroll taxes every two weeks or month depending on their liability. Paying taxes for the labor they have already paid for, but not received from their customers yet, paying for the materials and other costs associated with running their business, before they have been paid for their goods or services. If this passes, there will be more layoffs, has to be to cash flow your small business.

Posted by: andy33 | March 16, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

jhr1,

Well, we don't agree, but at least you're honest. I have to respect that at least.

Posted by: ksanders32 | March 16, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Poor GOP and the rest of the racist right possee out here. I guess you guys try to convince yourselves every night that McCain/Palin won the election huh? Haha, it hurts when YOU KNOW after this is passed and Obama and the socialist, marxist, nazi, Democratic Party gets recognition for doing so that you will all look foolish. No credit for this passing will ever, ever, be given to a single Republican. Republicans - when you don't want something done, call us, LOL. Waking up everyday filled with hate & rage must suck, until Republicans gain control again, then America is a beacon of hope, laughable.

Posted by: diversityizme | March 16, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

The Nazi Brown Shirts are frothing at the mouths because they know that passing anything as popular as health care reform keeps them in the toilet. If you ask me, that's exactly where they belong. They don't like democracy, take their little tantrums and move to a country run by a military dictatorship. Should make them feel right at home.

But, until then, Hear this. The People have voted, They want health care reform. They will get it. Besides that we will cut off tax breaks to the rich, corporate welfare, subsidies, no-bid contracts, million dollar bonuses, insider trading and the rest of the corrupt practices that ruined this country. Your days of leaching are done! Get a real job!

Posted by: Reesh | March 16, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama has demonized and polarized us to the point of no return. He has spread so much hate for each other, the Constitution, for-profit corporations, doctors, hospitals and far to many others to memtion. He continues to do this daily!
Preaching hate! Preaching us vs them! Like we who hate this bill are the villians.
He has done what he set out to do and created Dem vs Dem vs Corporations vs Banks vs Repubs. This administration has made all this so confusing that no one knows anything about this bill at all! If so then explain this!
How does anyone know my premiums will go down? Prove it!
Do you honestly believe it is not another entitlement? Explain! Do you really believe it will only cost 87 billion a year for the next 10 years? Prove it!

Posted by: usmc1969 | March 16, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama's own cousin who is a Doc said that Obama care is very bad for America, and that the bill should not pass as it is. I bet he won't be getting any more invitations to the Marxist House for din din anymore, LOL. Of COURSE ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, and the other Marxist House drones didn't capture this story.


But you can, right here:


http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2010/03/obamas_doctor_c.php


ALSO- The New England Journal of Medicine has a Poll from Doctors (REAL Docs who care, not the Obamabound AMA freaks) and "nearly 1/3 of doctors might leave the field if Obama care passes. Amazing that the aforementioned news sources didn't report THIS EITHER!!

But you can read it here:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/62812

AND here:


The study also shows how badly Obamacare supporters have lost the debate among physicians (closely tracking the popular numbers):

Physician Support of Health Reform in General

• 62.7% of physicians feel that health reform is needed but should be implemented in a more targeted, gradual way, as opposed to the sweeping overhaul that is in legislation.


• 28.7% of physicians are in favor of a public option.


• 3.6% of physicians prefer the “status quo” and feel that the U.S. health care system is best “as is.


http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2010/03/16/obamacare-driving-doctors-out-of-medicine/


THIS GARBAGE IS DEAD AND STINKING!! THANK GOD, HE STILL LOVES AMERICA!!

Posted by: obamaalmighT | March 16, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

The Pubs did it too- oh shut up already, crying lefties. yeah they did it, but it has been proven that this measure has NEVER BEEN USED TO PASS A MASSIVE LEGISLATION THAT WOULD CHANGE THE ECONOMY IN A PARTISAN MANNER!!! Good grief, now I know why they have the village idiot ObamO in charge, cause the village FOOLS voted him in, and continue to support his Marxist ways. Must already be wards of the state, used to not working and getting that check... BEFORE the economy tanked!

Well, most of us don't want to be STEPFORD Citizens and wear our brown shirts with pride. We like the variety that Red, White, and Blue brings- so many colors can be created with these three colors- brown is still brown, and the color of JENKEM!

Posted by: obamaalmighT | March 16, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

You're darn right I'm full of hate. I hate that anti'American ba*tard with all my heart and soul. And My affirmative action point is that O was nothing but taken care of by this govt his whole life and all he can do is complain about our country. to hell with him.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 16, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

No one should have a seat in any type of governmental office unless they have served in the military; from the cowardly representatives at every level; to especially those with lofty aspirations of becoming the POTUS. They should also be PROPERLY vetted, but that's a whole other bag of S, which will hopefully get sorted out soon.


We have greedy, thirsty for power FOOLS in charge of our government. Pond scum who were probably corrupt as soon as the doc smacked them on their A's, and they took their first gulp of air outside of their mother's wombs. And I'll tell ya, I have to wonder if they were in a toxic environment for 9 months, which caused them to become the dishonest cretins that they are. ALL OF THEM!!


These people didn't just get like this- this ish started from when they were little cheating kids in school, learning to lie to their authority figures, and learning to cheat their ways through their miserable lives. They suck as humann beings first, and as representatives, second; and KARMA will bite each and everyone of them for the atrocities the have brought, and intend to bring upon the American citizens.


Anyone with half of a conscience would have to admit this is some fishy dealings going on here. Extremely suspect!

Posted by: obamaalmighT | March 16, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

jhr1
I see a lot of your comments here. And you are just filled with hate. The 'angry white male' in you just overflows with your ridiculous affirmative action references. As one of the 'hard working' Americans you reference, my idea of freedom isn't George Bush and Dick Cheney giving sweetheart deals to the rest of their silver spoon croneys who've never had to strive for anything. Funny I see all the affirmative action and unqualified references with Obama. At least he is a boot-strap president.

The last president got into Haa-vard with a 'C' average riding on his daddy's coat-tails and basically coasts through life on inherited money. And people wondered why he couldn't speak English. Yes Obama wants to give some people a little help. And many people agree with him. It just doesn't seem like it because there's not an entire news network dedicated to those of us who agree with him. You know why so many agree? Because 8 years of Bush just reinforced that the playing field IS NOT EVEN.

Posted by: ksanders32 | March 16, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Jillcalifornia, yes it would. As long as you and free donny were starring.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 16, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

It would be a great reality show to watch mothers, fathers, and children dying due to lack of healthcare.

Posted by: JillCalifornia | March 16, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

A vote?

In CONGRESS!!??!!?

Imagine that.

Will wonders never cease?

Posted by: andrew23boyle | March 16, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Repubes and senile teabaggers will soon run out of obstructionist options and ways to dress up their temper tantrums.

Face it, FoxNews fans, you lost in 2006 and 2008 and lost big. President Obama has simply been playing softball with you. Now, apparently, even he thinks the GOP has run out of chances to participate in governing this nation. Many think he has wasted 12 months trying to be bi-partisan, but perhaps he was really trying to give everyone a chance to work together.

Well, the GOP made it clear (as if it was not already) that they want no part this nation's future. ALong the way, they also made real clowns of themselves.

Posted by: free-donny | March 16, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

November 2008, The uninformed slackers of America elected the most unqualified person to run for President, to the most powerful political position the world has ever known. A Marxist idealist, big believer in Central Planning, Socialist at best. One who believes that poverty or inequity in the world is the reason we have conflict. One ready to confiscate the private wealth of hard working American risk takers who have put their entire existence on the line to pursue THEIR dream. One willing to replace the American Dream, or the right to self determination, with managed governmental oversight in even our most private matters. One who would paint the sucess and hard work of achievers as criminal activity, only acquired by good ole boys taking care of one another. One who thinks achievement comes from generic education without ambition, One whos ego about his own appeal thinks he should be President of the World. I hope our country can survive four years of his "leadership".

Posted by: andy33 | March 16, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Unless the democrats are ready to defend their approval or voting for the bill opposed by the majority of the electorate, they will be in big "doo-doo" when they have to face their constituents, after they go on vacation. More town hall meetings and "tea party" protests will focus on the contents of the 2700 plus pages of the bill. Will they be able to defend the contents of the bill? Will they be able to defend the COST?
I think not.

Posted by: SeniorVet | March 16, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Barack Hussein Obama is an Affirmative Action product out of the most corrupt city and state in America. He is also a Saul Alinsky disciple by his own admission. Saul of course was a commie rat ba*tard. Obama has been on the government teat his whole life, never held a non-govt job,yet still, along with his wife (convicted by her own words), are not proud of this country, but instead apologize constantly for us. Let's send this Che-quoting anti-American back to the Windy City, where he can blow to his hearts content.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 16, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Health care funds abortion! Flossing funds abortion! Thin mints fund abortion! Rotating your tires funds abortion! Looking both ways before you cross the street funds abortion! Late fees at the video store funds abortions! Changing your furnace filter....well you get the picture....

Posted by: BurfordHolly | March 16, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Could Republicans include a provision in Rep. Griffith's resolution that any vote to table the measure or refer it to committee would "deem the resolution as passed" just as in the Democratic plan for the Senate Healthcare bill?

Posted by: timdrumm | March 16, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse


Lets face the FACTS: Republicans (Reagan, Bush, Gingritch, Beck, Limbaugh, Bachman, Demint, etc. etc. ) have been and are utter complete lunatics.

To be exact what this means is that Republicans are paid agents of Rich & Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Military, Big Banks, etc.) and as such they have been part of one of the Ultimate Con Jobs in the history of man kind, perpetrated on the American people, for the last many decades. The purpose of which Con Job are the following 2 Key objectives:
1- To give American people as little as possible for the Taxes that we pay,
2- To enable the Rich & Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Banks, etc.) to get as rich as they can off
the back of the American middle class (people) by not having the Government (of the People by the People for the People)
regulate what they can do for the benefit of the People, such as have Universal nationalized health care, as all Europeans have, Canadians have, Israelis have, Chinese have, etc. or as we have Universal nationalized Military, Police, Fire, etc. etc.

And to get away with this Ultimate Con Job, Republicans have been saying any insane thing, any lunatic thing, no matter how senseless and illogical, such as:
1- "Government cannot do anything..."
2- "Government is the problem not the solution..."
etc. etc.
After all, if "Government cannot do anything..." then:
1- Why the HEK are we paying about 40% of our income in various form of Taxes*?
2- Are you saying that we should operate the US Military, Police, Fire, Courts of law, etc. etc. on private basis?

Much more here:
http://anoox.com/blog/Real_News.34034

Posted by: RealNews1 | March 16, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Since everyone is convinced that the Dems will lose at the polls, why not do something significant while you have the power? Interestingly, if nothing is done, the system will break in time anyway because of skyrocketing costs, diminished coverage and the fact that it is employer sponsored. When it does break, there will have to be a government rescue. Ironically, it will be the greed of pharmaceutical and insurance companies that will usher in a demand for government sponsored health care.

Posted by: mingkeeper | March 16, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"I have one comment: Try contradicting ONE of his [Glenn Beck] daily well-researched, well-based "axioms.""

That's impossible, he has never had one. If you want to follow Beck, that's your right. This is a free country; at least until Beck, Cheney, and the rest finally convince enough of you morons to believe their cr@p.

Posted by: rcasero | March 16, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I have heard a lot of people suggesting that Republicans will are well positioned to retake both houses of Congress in the upcoming November elections. I certainly agree that the Democrats will lose big at the polls, but I think it will be even worse than anyone is expecting. I think the backlash against the Democrats will be so severe that the party may not survive. (Fine by me.)

Posted by: melrose1 | March 16, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

It's not looking good for the magic negrow. SOMEWHERE IN KENYA, A VILLAGE IS MISSING ITS IDIOT

Posted by: cschotta1
___________________________________________

Ah, yes. This is the caliber of the opposition. Just do us a favor and stop being a closet racist. Put your moeny where your mouth is!


Posted by: tfburke19


Perhaps you should ask the same of Reverend Wright, no?

VOTE DEMOCRAT, IT'S EASIER THAN WORKING

Posted by: cschotta1 | March 16, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, I thought the teabaggers were a relatively small faction. Some left-wing loon just gave Obama the advice to ignore the tiny faction of teabaggers and pass the bill. Last I checked, a strong majority of people polled opposed this legislation. I guess the teabaggers have grown? Or could it be that many people other than the teabaggers are against this bill?

The problem that the Dems are having is the same problem that they had in 1976-1980. That is, the have simply misread the "tea leaves" (no pun intended). They believe the election gave them a far left mandate. In actuality, the mandate was just a slight move to the center for a right of center country. They have miscalculated, and this piece of legislation will be their undoing.

By the way, for you commentators who call Republicans and others who oppose ObamaCare "hateful, selfish, and racist," I have one thing to tell you that should alleviate your concerns. Those of us who oppose this bill will keep working so that you can get your welfare and other entitlements from the money the government takes from us. You will still have your source of redistributed wealth...we won't stop working.

Posted by: Freedomguy | March 16, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

It's not looking good for the magic negrow. SOMEWHERE IN KENYA, A VILLAGE IS MISSING ITS IDIOT

Posted by: cschotta1
___________________________________________

Ah, yes. This is the caliber of the opposition. Just do us a favor and stop being a closet racist. Put your moeny where your mouth is!

Posted by: tfburke19 | March 16, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

As a practicing nurse in a family of 6 registered nurses, "gentlerepublicans" we are watching this vote very closely. Be very careful who you think your "guardian angels" are alligned to. You might just be surprised.

Posted by: caryfnp | March 16, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Stupid, stupid, stupid! Just pass the damn bill! The media is abetting the Republican party by making a political mountain out of a procedural molehill. This is NOT a precedent; it has been used many times before by REPUBLICANS. And it should be noted that the House will vote on the bill once it is combined with the Reconciliation package. So... the rest is pure artifice. The Republicans scream jump and a compliant media asks, "how high?"

Posted by: tfburke19 | March 16, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

"If Beck told them Bin Laden was a righteous dude they would start asking what all that fighting has been about anyhow...." Posted by: TOMMYBASEBALL |

I have one comment: Try contradicting ONE of his daily well-researched, well-based "axioms."

Posted by: Milpen | March 16, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

The socialist communist Republican hypocrite party is at it again. Conservative judges pass a law were corporations can spend unlimited money to help out their Republican cronies. We have conservatives in Texas re-writing history in school books to reflect their communist views. Hatred and racism runs rampant with sign holding corporate prostitutes for the insurance industry. Insurance companies spending a million a day of customer premium dollars to lobby congress to kill a bill while using customer premium dollars to give CEOs big pay checks and pay off politicians -- now you know why they have to drop those who have paid their premiums for years to cover the life styles of the rich and corrupted. Can you imagine how many people would be saved if they actually used those premium dollars for their customers when they got a serious illness -- instead, the insurance company death panels gather and decide they want their big bonuses and need to drop all whose sickness may effect those million dollar paychecks and the 2nd and 3rd homes needed to entertain Republicans at their campaign re-election parties.

Yep, insurance companies, banks and corporate America runs this country....not the government. The Republicans are in partnership with those million dollar crooks while doing nothing for middle class Americans -- since Republican deeds for middle class is nil but still need their votes, they use scare tactics to scare the sheep to follow their hypocrisy. Republicans - the party of YES for the wealthy...the party of NO for middle class. Hypocrites!

“Hey, Mr Republican, will you continue with the platform of Bush trickle down theory giving tax breaks to the rich hoping that it will trickle down to middle class in jobs. Yea right.....we saw were it trickled to -- to their greedy ass pockets.”

The republicans have no solutions, just scare tactics, complaints and scream "no fair" for the same tactics they used under Bush. Republicans remind me of those Bible Thumping Holly Rollers pounding the bible as they suck the money from middle class while laughing all the way to bank. Instead of the bible, the Republicans use the Flag and wave it in front of the dim wits and preach scare tactics getting the sheep to believe they are looking out for the little guy. Idiots!

A million dollars of premium dollars spent a day to kill a bill buys a lot of lies and Republicans. I see another premium hike to take care of the life styles of the rich while dropping more customers so they can afford to mingle with Republicans to get more laws passed to put the screws to the little guy. Yes sir, as far as the Republicans are concerned, your premium dollars are being spent wisely on the rich and they will pass laws or rewrite the tax code to make sure it stays that way.

Posted by: steveeyes | March 16, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse


Surely even leftist tire-biters know that PolitiFact is simply a web page front for the left wing St. Petersburg Times, one of the most left-leaning city newspapers in the United States? Hmm?

Who appointed the St. Pete Times as the arbiter of truth? Nobody.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 16, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

It's not looking good for the magic negrow.


SOMEWHERE IN KENYA, A VILLAGE IS MISSING ITS IDIOT

Posted by: cschotta1 | March 16, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure the people ranting in favor of expensive thrid rate insurance and getting shafted by insurance companies who are so sure of the unCosntitutionality of this proces want all the dozens fo bills republicons passed using this procedure challenged in court too. Of course, the fact is that the Constitution allows each body to set their own rules, and if this is one of them then what is good for the goose is good for the gander, and in this case is good for the nation. Unlike when republicons crashed the nation and the world a few years ago.

Posted by: John1263 | March 16, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

>New England Journal just announced that 43%
> of doctors would leave the medical
> profession. Liberal, can you answer this?

Well according to politifacts, you're not quoting NEJM, you're quoting mini-Goebbels (aka Glenn beck).

people have tried to govern on fantasy, ideology, and propaganda before, and if the Teabaggers ever get power, it'll lead to the complete chaos, collapse, and famine typical of antinitellectual Maoist peasant rebellions.

Posted by: BurfordHolly | March 16, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

republicons are very good at finding mew ways to say "no." They are very very good at opposing while offering nothing. Excellent at skrewing the American people for a cheap stunt. Superlative at using boatloads of cash from bankers and insurance companies to spread propaganda and lies.

Posted by: John1263 | March 16, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Well Queen Nancy might get her way and beg,bribe,lie and promise enough to get a passing vote. But one thing is for sure, the Democratic liberals will not be re-elected, and if the Senate bill is not voted on and deemed passed it still isn't law even if Obama signs it.
Read the Constitution. Any law passed Unconstitutionaly does not have to be obeyed.
This will be challenged.
Dems your damned if you do and your damned if you don't.

Posted by: jhnjdy | March 16, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

The socialist communist Republican hypocrite party is at it again. Conservative judges pass a law were corporations can spend unlimited money to help out their Republican cronies. We have conservatives in Texas re-writing history in school books to reflect their communist views. Hatred and racism runs rampant with sign holding corporate prostitutes for the insurance industry. Insurance companies spending a million a day of customer premium dollars to lobby congress to kill a bill while using customer premium dollars to give CEOs big pay checks and pay off politicians -- now you know why they have to drop those who have paid their premiums for years to cover the life styles of the rich and corrupted. Can you imagine how many people would be saved if they actually used those premium dollars for their customers when they got a serious illness -- instead, the insurance company death panels gather and decide instead they want their big bonuses amd need to drop all those whose illness that may effect those million dollar paychecks and the 2nd and 3rd homes needed to entertain Republicans at their campaign parties.

Yep, insurance companies, banks and corporate America runs this country....not the government. The Republicans are in partnership with those million dollar crooks while doing nothing for middle class Americans -- since they do nothing to show their deeds for middle class they use scare tactics to scare the sheep to follow their hypocrisy. Republicans - the party of YES for the wealthy...the party of NO for middle class. Hypocrites!

Hey, Mr Republican, will you continue with the platform of Bush trickle down theory giving tax breaks to the rich hoping that it will trickle down to middle class in jobs. Yea right.....we saw were it trickled to -- to their greedy ass pockets.

The republicans have no solutions, just scare tactics, complaints and scream "no fair" for the same tactics they used under Bush. Republicans remind me of those Bible Preaching Holly Rollers pounding the bible as they suck the money from middle class while laughing all the way to bank. Instead of the bible, the Republicans use the Flag and wave it in front of the dim wits and preach scare tactics getting the sheep to believe they are looking out for the little guy. Idiots!

A million dollars of premium dollars spent a day to kill a bill, can buy a lot of lies and Republicans. I see another premium hike to take care of the life styles of the rich while dropping more customers so they can afford to mingle with the Republicans to get more laws passed to put the screws to the little guy. Yes sir, as far as the Republicans are concerned, your premium dollars are being spent wisely.

Posted by: steveeyes | March 16, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I guess two wrongs make it right.

Posted by: Chuckled | March 16, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

The idea of "deeming" a bill passed without the House members voting on it is pure nonsense. It is illegal and unconstitutional, and should be challenged in the Supreme Court immediately. Such an action is not a question of "process;" it is a matter that clearly violates the dictates of the Constituion. The communist majority in the current House of Representatives would like to consolidate their power by establishing a precedent that has never been used before. These people belong in the Cuban Legislature, rather than U. S. House of Representatives. It is hard to believe that Obama claims to be an expert on the U. S. Constitution. No one would dispute that he is an expert on communism and the principles of dictatorial government. He would like to postpone or eliminate the elections of 2010 and 2012, but this would never be tolerated by the citizens of America. When the elections are concluded, we will have rid ourselves of the communist plague. Having our first African-American President revealed as a Marxist is a great disappointment. He has called into question the loyalty of his entire party. The citizens of this nation will remove Obama and his blind followers from office by the democratic practice of electing replacements. Heaven help these power driven would-be tyrants if they try to stiffle democracy by tampering with the elections. This would lead to unheard of consequences that Obama would be wise to avoid.

Posted by: jerdjon | March 16, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Democrats - don't be dumb enough to think that a handful of trolling racist 'tea party' psychos represent most Americans. Pass reform or head out the door like the criminal Bush regime.

Posted by: revbookburn | March 16, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

This is a National Tragedy. I dont like that these procedural tricks are being used to pass a bill of this import. If the American People are stupid enough to not want reform their health care, then leave it alone. After all, these are the same voters that put George Bush back into office. And the only significant opportunity to reduce health care costs, liabilty-tort reform, is totally absent from the bill.

Posted by: photty1 | March 16, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I remember the GOP doing the same sort of thing when the DNC was being intransigent.

Posted by: Nymous | March 16, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

After much thought, I’ve come to the conclusion that the health care bill should be passed. I sincerely hope that the democrats use their ‘Deem and Pass’ strategy to get the bill through and then reconciliation for the clean up. Without a doubt, once this is done lawsuit(s) will be filed, stays granted and hopefully this will be tied up in court for years. And if the precedents that I have read about are accurate, the Supreme Court will eventually strike down the entire bill because of the way it was passed. In the mean time, every democrat who voted for this fiasco will be targeted in 2010 and 2012 and some type of sanity can be brought back to congress. When the left took over this country, I thought we were doomed and conservatives would never return to power. Fortunately, the hate, arrogance and agenda of the left (as demonstrated by the posters on these blogs) have been laid bare for all to see and the mistakes in the last election will be corrected in the next. And the best part is, the left is so self-righteous that they can’t even see what is coming.

Posted by: AkCoyote | March 16, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

New England Journal just announced that 43% of doctors would leave the medical profession. Liberal, can you answer this?

Posted by: farmsnorton | March 16, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Any truth to the rumor that there's a provision in this still-secret deal to rename Capitol Hill to Taminay Hall?
If the shoe fits, wear it.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 16, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Talk about 'substance,' you say Madame Speaker?
So where's the bill? Oh that's right, we the Americam public will get 72 hours to review this 2,700-page travesty.
Democracy delayed, is democracy denied!

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 16, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

As of 2007, "about one in 26 Americans have had cancer.

By 2020, roughly one in 19 will have been diagnosed with the disease".

45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE58G6W520090917

the Congressional Budget Office said that the Senate health care bill would cut the deficit by 118 billion dollars.

Wake up wingnuts, you, or someone in your family, could get a serious disease or trauma any time. You could be financially wiped out in a day.

It’s time we did what 30 other Western nations have already done.

Posted by: losthorizon10 | March 16, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Why Republicans should be secretly working for the Healthcare bill Passage.

Republicans could not only defeat the Healthcare bill but could have a double hit by destroying the Obama Presidency at the same time.

This most original of all thesis is base in the possibility that Democrats use the "Slaughter Rule' to pass Healthcare without a vote.

How this will allow the Republicans to reverse the bill sooner and ruin The Presidency of Obama is explained at http://www.robbingamerica.com

The most compelling thesis in Politics today.

Posted by: JohnGalt9 | March 16, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse


obama is a pathetic, one-term teabagging loser.

Posted by: ItsOver2 | March 16, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

In four days this discussion will be moot, refore will have passed, and the dems handed a monumental victory. Then, they will proceed to enact their agenda and, while suffering some losses in Nov, will lose less seats than the historical norm.

Yes, it's that simple.

Posted by: zackool | March 16, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

"Those who care about humanity, and those who care only about themselves. "

Then there are those who are content to rely on the kindness of strangers.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | March 16, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse


Here's an idea Dims! Follow the United States Constitution that says

"Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings ... the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal."

What a novel idea. The Senate has a filibuster because the Constitution says the Senate makes its own rules. And 1/5 of members of either house is all it takes force a role call vote on any issue.

So much for Nancy Pelosi deems Obamacare into law.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 16, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

"Democrats continued to point out that Republicans used self-executing rules dozens of times while they were in the majority, and suggested Republicans were trying to distract from the real discussion of what's actually in the reform bill."

I find this so funny since even Speaker Pelosi herself made the comment that we should pass the bill so we can find out what is in the bill. About you read the bill and have a up or down vote on CSPAN? And, even if the House does pass the bill this way several legal scholars have mentioned that it would be unconsitutional, because it would not have passed both the House and the Senate before being signed.

Posted by: matthewcheadle | March 16, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Obamacare? Get a clue morans!

Seriously,
I could care less if people will be paying 50 percent of their income for health care in the next 10 years if reform never happens. I have government health care for life, it's called Tricare for Military Retirees.
Maybe I will be able to buy an affordable large house when folks lose their houses due to medical foreclosures.
Maybe I should become an undertaker as well with the increased deaths due to lack of affordable health care. Thanks to the new Post 911 GI Bill I can go to college for almost free and study as a Funeral Director.
God Bless the Republican Party!

Posted by: rjnewton | March 16, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

The title of the other WaPo article is misleading. The House is passing two bills with one vote, not passing the Senate bill with "no vote." This is because the House does not want a bad Senate bill to become law without having a chance to revise it. Under normal circumstances a conference committee would agree to merge the Senate and original House bill to something that both sides agree on. But since the Republicans will filibuster the conference report, the Democratic majority must use reconciliation to get around the filibuster in the Senate and some other tactic to get around the uncomfortable vote for a Senate fix-less bill they do not support. Alas, the answer is to pass the original Senate bill - declare it "deemed to have passed" - and the reconciliation fix in the same vote.

Now the Republicans want an "up or down vote" in the House. I say, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If the Senate refuses to filibuster a conference report then by all means lets have an up or down vote in the House too. But the GOP is not allowing an up-or-down vote in the Senate. Why should their arguments hold weight in the House?

Posted by: ElrodinTennessee | March 16, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

They've argued and voted on it 8 million times. How about best 3 out of 5 , one more time.The Republicans act like junior high schoolers.

Posted by: majorteddy | March 16, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I really have to give the Republicans credit for pulling out all of the stops in the face of adversity to stand-up for their primary constituent base - Health Insurance Companies, Commercial Hospital Corporations, and other big businesses that will be negatively affected by the majority of Americans having affordable access to health care. Hooray for the GOP, the best elected representatives money can buy!!!

Posted by: JBGJRESQ | March 16, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Ah, poor wingnuts, they aren't happy unless they're complaining.

Today, the LA Times reported that one-fourth of all Californians don't have health care.

About 45,000 Americans DIE a year due to a lack of health care, or inadequate health care. We rank 37th in the world, and have the second-highest infant mortality rate among Western nations.

As of 2007, about one in 26 Americans have had cancer.

By 2020, roughly one in 19 will have been diagnosed with the disease.

Wingnuts, uou had your own way for eight years, and you caused the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression. You lied us into a war, and put it on a Chinese credit card, along with the war in Afghanistan.

Hey right wing drama queens, if you got time to lean, you got time to clean. Grab a mop and help Obama and the adults clean up your mess, or stand aside and shut your whining little yappers.


Posted by: losthorizon10 | March 16, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Why is it Pelosi is the only one who will pass the health care plan; and her plan? Don't the rest of us count?

I would love to see those Congressmen who got shunned by Pelosi hold a press conference and tell me to my face, and to the face of rest of America, why our votes don't count?

Posted by: 45upnorth | March 16, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Tthe House will "deem" the Senate bill passed and vote on the amendments. I think we are seeing the end of the Democratic process as constructed by the Founding Fathers. Obama will sign a bill that has not been voted on by one chamber of the legislature as the Constitution states. The will of the people will be denied. We will have and illegitimate congress and an illegitimate president. The Dems and Obama are close to breaking the social contract the people have with their government. It is no wonder Gibbs can state so confidently the bill will pass. They will use a corrupt method to get it done and the people and the constitution be damned. No, this bill is too important to use a piece of political chicanery to ram it through even if there is some shred of precedent to do so.

Posted by: saelij | March 16, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect to the mental giant who indicated that maybe socialism is a good thing, I have a few thoughts for Mr./Ms. Utopia. The most evil regimes that we have ever seen were socialist regimes. Nazi Germany was a socialist regime. We know happened there. Stalinist Russia is associcated with the deaths of millions of its own citizens. China has a good record on civil liberties. Socialism...give me a break!

Posted by: Freedomguy | March 16, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Why does Nancy Pelosi get to be the one who passes the health care bill? Don't the rest of us count?

Posted by: 45upnorth | March 16, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Did the proper placement of blame ever solve any problem??? ~ I seriously doubt it!!!

Posted by: ArbuckleDoc | March 16, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

The socialist communist Republican hypocrite party is at it again. Conservative judges pass a law were corporations can spend unlimited money to help out their Republican cronies. We have conservatives in Texas re-writing history with school books to reflect their communist views. Hatred and racism runs rampant with sign holding corporate prostitutes for the insurance industry. Insurance companies spending a million a day of customer premium dollars to lobby congress to kill a bill while using customer premium dollars to give CEOs big pay checks, pay off politicians -- now you know why they have to drop those who have paid their premiums for years to cover the life styles of the rich and corrupted. Can you imagine how many people would be saved if they actually used those premium dollars on customers got a serious illness.

Yep, insurance companies, banks and corporate America runs this country....not the government. The Republicans are in partnership with those million dollar crooks while doing nothing for middle class Americans except using scare tactics to scare the sheep to follow. Republicans is the party of YES for the wealthy...the party of NO for middle class. Hypocrites

Hey, Mr Republican, will you continue with the platform of Bush trickle down theory giving tax breaks to the rich hoping that it will trickle down to middle class in jobs. Yea right.....we saw were it trickled to -- to their greedy ass pockets.

The republicans have no solutions, just scare tactics, complaints and scream "no fair" for the same tactics they used under Bush. Republicans remind me of those Bible Preaching Holly Rollers pounding the bible as they suck the money from middle class while they laugh all the way to bank. However,the Republicans use the Flag and wave it in front of the dim wits who buy into their paid stump speeches and the plants provided by the insurance companies. A million dollars a day, can buy a lot of lies and Republicans.

Posted by: steveeyes | March 16, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

"Like anyone cares what the America-hating GOP wants."

Actually 3/4's of the population agrees with the GOP position.

The Democrats will have to abandon the sinking ship USS Obama if they want to keep their jobs past the next election.

I'd hate for Harry Reid to lose his job, because he will likely become abusive towards his wife without employment

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/82803-reid-men-when-theyre-out-of-work-tend-to-become-abusive

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | March 16, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Here's an idea. Let's have "up or down votes" in BOTH houses! Get rid of the filibuster and let's have both Congressmen and Senators go on record and give either a majority for or against legislation. Of all the checks and balances included in the Constitution the endless Senate filibuster was not among them. So let's have it: House members should show their face and vote on a conference bill that Republicans cannot filibuster. That would reflect American democracy.

Of course, the Republicans don't want a majority of the Senators to have a chance to vote on ANY legislation right now. With the undemocratic filibuster in constant use, ANY response by Democrats to get around it is acceptable as long as it passes Constitutional muster.

Posted by: ElrodinTennessee | March 16, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse


"The last eight years" includes 14 months of Barry the incompetent boob Obama destroying the American economy. This is no longer October, 2008 Dims.


Posted by: screwjob11 | March 16, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

I find it amazing that our country is so completely divided.
There are those who have evolved, and those who never want to move foreward. Those who care about humanity, and those who care only about themselves. Those who seek harmony, and those who inflict war on other countries to gain power and wealth.
Those who dare to establish new truths, and those who thrive on lies and fear for their voice.
I think it's fairly obvious, this divuded country, the difference between democrats and republicans.
In case you don't know hwo's who, just look whos ignoring the American peoples needs for health care, spreading ficticious lies about the reform bill, supporting wars all over the planet, and worried that socialism might just be a fair system compared to the corporate greed run capitilitic system that now enslaves the entire middle and low class.
I think we can see who's who here.
FIGHT ON OBAMA ! Leave the obstructionists in their own ashes.

Posted by: dylan915 | March 16, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is this. The Healthcare bill is the biggest piece of legislation that we have considered in 70 years. All parties should want to be sure that it if it passes, there is no question that it passed legitimately. The "deemed" vote has never been used for anything this big. Frankly, it should have never been used at all. The fact that it has been used in the past was wrong. That does not justify using it in present (two wrongs don't make a right).

All of these antics (reconcilation, the deemed vote, etc...) are to avoid the potential of a filibuster in the Senate. James Madison and other framers were very clear that they wanted the passage of laws to be an "ugly process" so that it would be difficult to pass laws and expand government. Initially, the filibuster rules required a full 2/3 vote to end...this was by design to make sure only a few palatable laws passed. it was to check the growth of government. Passing the biggest piece of legislation this country has seen in nearly a century in a manner contrary to the intention of the framers is unconscionable even if other "smaller" legislation has been passed in that manner in the past.

Also, for those of you who actually believe that health insuers are the problem here, please do everyone a favor and don't vote. Health insurers rank 35 among major industries for profitability. Their average profit margins are between 2%-5%. If you elminated their "profit" margins, costs would go down a fraction. Premiums are going up because medical and medication costs are going up. It is so tempting for those "business hating folks" to find a scapegoat, since they are from the "blame game" school of life. That being said, the attack on health insurers is mindless dribble. All that "nationalizing" health care will do is force others to pay more of the rising costs of health care through taxes. The only "whipping in shape" that we can do to the health insurers is to force them to be completely unprofitable. In that case, they will cease doing business. Then, the "ever efficient" government will have to take over. Since Government operates on a model of "spend your budget or have it cut" the actual costs of health will go up as the private sector leaves the business.

Every cent of the Goverment's money is take from someone...the Government does not earn. Already, the top 10% pay 70% of the income tax. The top 25% pay 85% of the income tax. Exxon, alone, paid more tax that bottom 40% tax payers. Where is this all going to come from???? More redistribution. The screams of those who support this bill can be translated as follows: "Gimme your money."

Posted by: Freedomguy | March 16, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

For all of you complaining about Republicans, do you not realize that the Democrats have enough House members to pass the bill? If all the Dems in congress voted for this bill it would pass and Republicans would not be able to stop the process.

Now, go back to kindergarten and watch Schoolhouse Rock while you learn to count.

Posted by: jordiboy | March 16, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Don't let the GOP ruin our country anymore.

They had eight years to screw everything up.

We must put an end to it.

Posted by: kurthunt | March 16, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

No matter which way the dems pass ObamaCare, I truly believe that if they do, the republicans have a very real chance to take back both houses of congress!

Posted by: jamespmarion | March 16, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

If the democrats do this in this manner, it will represent the high water mark of the democratic party (see Gettysburg and the South--1863). I am not, nor have I ever been, a political activist, but if they push this through by these reprehensible means, it will be a call to oppose them that will awaken even the most passive of us in the "silent majority".

Posted by: rgerv | March 16, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe the Democrats would be willing to walk the plank for an unpopular President...

Posted by: Phil6 | March 16, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

"The Republicans don’t mind spending Trillions on unnecessary wars which have killed over a million citizens in Iraq, and thousands in
Afghanistan."
Who keeps posting this parrot'd nonsense? The writer of an "Inconvenient Truth" thought for eight years that this war was necessary but didn't do a friggin thing about it. 'nuf said. And the Bush regime only spent $100 billion for each of only six years. Add that up if you can. Of course, that's trillions in Obamabucks. Millions killed huh? No matter how many trillions of Obamabucks, we want the government to squander one-sixth of the GDP as a laundering scheme for the DNC? Oh yah, Pelosi talks like it has something to do with healthcare, kind of like how Carter said the Dept of Education was supposed to be for education. Guess what. Education's in big trouble but funding for Dept of Education keeps going up. Let that be a preview of what Government influenced healthcare will do.

Posted by: TL40 | March 16, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Next year, when the sticker shock starts, remember that this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Posted by: fefifofob | March 16, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

This is a disgusting abuse of power. The Democrats need to vote up or down on this bill. No more hiding, no more dirty backroom deals, no more legislative tricks. Man up and vote.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | March 16, 2010 5:10 PM
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Are you kidding?!
Does Reid really look like man?!

Posted by: valbmet | March 16, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

You can't fix stupid. Vote in November.

Posted by: yipeakia | March 16, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Look at it this way. For 8 long years the democrats vilified George Bush. At every opportunity they called him every name in the book and did everything in their power to sabotage his administration. The sad part is, it worked. Along comes the messiah, people are convinced the HOPE and CHANGE is really needed and the democrats take over 2/3 of the government. Now in one short year, the democrats have dropped the façade and shown themselves to be the socialists that they really are. This is a center-right country and only 20% of the population truly considers themselves to be liberal. Now the remaining 80% have had their eyes opened to the ‘revolution from within’ and we are putting a stop to it. It may not seem to ring true now but having BO in office may be the salvation of our constitution as more people than ever before in modern history are actually reading the document and understanding what the founding fathers were trying to create. AND they are passing this message on to their children. BO and his henchmen have done more to educate the people of this country on how the government ‘really’ works than all news stories ever written and for this, we should be thankful. This president and many democrats have signed their political death warrants and we have THEM to thank for the ammunition.

Posted by: AkCoyote | March 16, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi and her fellow comrads want to ram this obamanation through the house without recording how individuals vote? That's because they don't want to be held accountable. Pelosi is just like the people who max out their credit cards, ruin their finances, or buy homes they know they can’t afford because they don't understand basic economics. Let’s not emulate poor judgment and listen to anything Pelosi has to say when it comes to spending money. And if they do try to ram this through the house, make for damn sure we have their names so we can hold them accountable for their actions!

Posted by: yipeakia | March 16, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans in the Senate didn't have any qualms about using the 60-vote procedural rule to help make this whole thing take more than a year. Why should they have a complaint at the House using one of its own procedural rules to pass the bill?

Posted by: tinyjab40 | March 16, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse


Sure Dims ... you won a big election ... two years ago. That was 2008. This is 2010.

America has seen what 14 months of Barry is like. Barry is a lame duck president. We do not want Obamacare.

See you at the polls, Dims.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 16, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Might take the Republirats seriously if they were insisting on an up-or-down vote in the Senate too!!! Hypocrites!

Posted by: 33rdStreet | March 16, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

A brief history of what has actually;y happened.
Millions of American’s who have suffered immensely under the current corrupt health care system voted for Obama to CHANGE the system with new measures of health care reform.
President Obama for the past year has rallied diligently to fulfill his obligation and promise to the American people to get health care reform.
Simultaneously the Republicans have launched their typical fear/smear campaigns financed by the big medical corporate companies using distortion of the health bill properties to convince the American public
that they don’t need the very thing that they so desperately wanted.
Americans. like myself, who have been assaulted by medical costs on so many levels that my entire family is now without health care, and unable to afford it, know that this current bill is an essential need for all America.
Despite a nobel effort by Obama to bring the Rubublicans on board in supporting this crucial health care change, not one Republican was willing to put humanity before the greed and bullheadedness of their party, and instead totally turned their backs on the American people.
So instead of folding, and quitting, Obama has decided to go it alone, and
unite his party to get this bill passed.
For those who think this is undemocratic, I beg to site a better definition: The Republicans , elected officials ignore and spitefully try to sabotage the will of the American people by turning Americans against themselves, in a fabricated false campaign to completely dismantle health care reform, and pretend that it is tyranny on the part of the Democrats to move forward and try to pass this current bill.
I think it is a long overdue courage to take a stance against obstructionist, unite in the will of those who elected them, and get this thing passed.
All those against it, well stick with your current plans, but don’t infringe on
my needs.
The Republicans don’t mind spending Trillions on unnecessary wars which have killed over a million citizens in Iraq, and thousands in
Afghanistan.
But the thought of using money to heal Americans is unacceptable.
The ‘just say no to humanity party ‘ could care less about anything but bringing down Obama, and keeping as much power and money for themselves beyond any needs of thir citizens.

Posted by: dylan915 | March 16, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Remember: When you vote in this November's election, ask yourself just what have the Republicans accomplished over the last two years? NOTHING!

This is just a big game to them! A game that you're paying to watch unfold.

Posted by: unseenmirage | March 16, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

progressive free thinkers unite you will soon enter the ultimate bamazone a land where we all have healthcare, with no doctors, companies with no need for profits, just enough for each according to his needs, unless of course you dont fit the profile , then you will rightfully be discarded to side encouraged to do the right thing and not burden society. I only hope we can expand abortion to include people we really dont think help the collective good where we spread the wealth around, power to the people, but the right people....right

Posted by: abunker1 | March 16, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

...........


It's amazing how many proud members of
the Dick Armey are posting today.

Go 'baggers!

Stay strong!


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Posted by: printthis | March 16, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Nobody cares about legislative strategies like this.

Ask a person on the street what "reconciliation" is or what "deem and pass" is and you will get a blank look.

Posted by: craiginphoenix | March 16, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Republicans love to dish it out but when they get knocked out, especially by a woman, they whine like little babies. Someone call the WAHmbulance.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | March 16, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

"These Marxist Progressives will stop at nothing to destroy America and American values."

You're talking about the Dick Armey, correct?

We need to get teabagging Dick Armey's out of
our nation's sacred Capitol....!!!!!!!!

.......

Posted by: printthis | March 16, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

yes, force them to vote. Obama keeps saying that every thing has been said about the health care but then he goes on his flying sprees to talk about it more!! We have a right to know who was bought off & who truly does not like this bill! They didn't read the bill in December, maybe they'll actually have to vote on it without Pelosi using her sneaky ways of trying to sneak it in without voting on it!!

Posted by: releggneh1 | March 16, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

You must have old poll numbers. 57% don't want this bill with 14% undecided.

Posted by: farmsnorton | March 16, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

These Marxist Progressives will stop at nothing to destroy America and American values.

The Repubs aren't stopping anything, this administration, with an overwhelming majority in both Senate and House cannot get it done. Why, because the overwhelming percentage of American citizens, Dems, Repubs and Independents have spoken and said the bill is Socialist garbage.

Posted by: obamabs | March 16, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

What the dems are doing is unconstitutional. They all get sworn in to support the Constitution.

If they don't support it, they should be arrested and tried for treason. it's that simple. same goes for obama. these are tyrannical leaders, who want to control people and society.

Posted by: jim000122 | March 16, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

More GOP grandstanding since they have nothing substantive to offer concerning real issues. How many administration nominees are awaiting an up-or-down vote except for GOP blockage. But then I suppose they'll excuse themselves from that by saying the new rule doesn't apply retroactively, or to federal nominees, or something.

Posted by: jmdziuban1 | March 16, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

If the Massachusetts Massacre hasn’t dissuaded our Social Democrats from their infamous destiny of foisting socialism (in the form of social democracy) upon an American public seething with rage over the prospect, nothing will, but that is OK, because they will have set the rules of engagement for the political civil war to come – basically an anything goes/ scorched earth approach.

To regain our freedom from the social democrat state they are finishing construction on, all freedom loving Americans will have to join with the Tea Party movement to push Republicans to run on dismantling this abortion of a bill.

This can be accomplished by, first, passing budget after budget with zero funding for Obamacare over the objections of remaining Social Democrats, thereby forcing a Constitutional crisis when Obama refuses to sign any of them, and, second, by using the rules of engagement already established.

Posted by: RUKidding0 | March 16, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

jaysit - yes

Posted by: TOMMYBASEBALL | March 16, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

YES! We want names and how they voted. Pelosi's ill fated attempt to provide cover for her vulnerable caucus is extremely unAmercian.

American's are awake, watching and demanding names!

Posted by: wcochran60 | March 16, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Every arrogant, thieving Congressman should have to vote Yes or No on the Senate Bill. You've already done the bribery and extortion, you should at least let your constituents know whether you are for or against this lousy bill by voting. You know, like you were elected to do.

Posted by: HonkersDD | March 16, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

If Nancy Pelosi is going to "drain the swamp" there won't be many Democrats left (or Republicans for that matter).

Posted by: dhwj | March 16, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama was the first to cut a "back room" deal over a year ago with the drug companies! READ:

http://theohiolaborlawyers.wordpress.com/

This is just one back room deal after another and the bill needs to be killed!

Posted by: N369RM | March 16, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Would somebody please conduct a poll that asks the real question about this????????:
"If the choice is leave things as they are or the Democrat plan, would you support or oppose the Democrat plan?"

If really you look at current polling, close to 60% - perhaps as many as 65% - of those polled support changing Health Insurance in the direction of the Democrat plan. You just have to look at the details in the polls.

Even the GOP partisan polls show this.

I do not understand why the media tries to conflate the liberals who want reform to go further with the minority who want to put the brakes on. It is a stupid ploy to dumb the issue down so they can get a headline and keep their story dujour consistent.

It is no secret that MOST Americans want all of the things in the Obama/Democrat Plan and McConnell and Boehner know it, too. The tea baggers are the anti-Spiro Agnew group - "the Shrill Minority"

Posted by: TOMMYBASEBALL | March 16, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Scared Democrats without the courage to admit they have been bought. Hated Republicans under Bush for insane spending, huge deficits, unending earmarks and now Obama and the Democrats make them look frugal. Under the Democrats bills Big Pharma wins: no volume buying of drugs or foreign importation; Insurance companies win; no public option; the people lose: free riders will buy insurance only after they need expensive care and ordinary hard working Americans will pay for it.

Posted by: dhwj | March 16, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh, that's rich.

The Republicans forcing an up or down vote?

Aren't these the very same clowns who refused to bring anything to a vote?

Do they really think Americans are that stupid to fall for their hypocritical blather?

Posted by: jaysit | March 16, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe the first sentence in this article. If the writer doesn't understand the intent of the Republican's action, the WaPo should return him to the pencil sharpener.

Posted by: relp27 | March 16, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER…VOTE THEM OUT!!!

Using “deem and pass” and “reconciliation” to pass this so-called healthcare “reform” shows that even the Congress and Administration know the American people do not want this bill. The American people will not let the majority party hide behind “deem and pass” and “reconciliation”. Anyone that wants to vote for this bill should stand up and be counted and then be prepared to take the consequences. This is just more dirty politics by the Congress and Administration. What is the Administration and Congress afraid of?

REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER…VOTE THEM OUT!!!

Posted by: AngryMobVoter | March 16, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Of all the people who can give any substantive argument on voting FOR the Obamacare bill, Palosi will be the last person anyone would want to go - for all you democrats in congress, this discussion has been around for nearly an year and you still haven't figured out how to rally your own party to vote for this bill. Just on that point alone both Palosi and the Obamacare bill must be thrown out! Palosi has no credibility just like her counterparts Reid and Obama!

Posted by: CJ123 | March 16, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Democrats should do whatever necessary to get this bill passed. Since the GOP used "Deem and Pass" 34 times during their reign of terror, their current hypocrisy should be pointed out 24/7. No one care about procedure. Healthcare reform passed the house and passed the Senate with a super majority.

As for John Boehner perhaps he should be more worried about his constituents learning about the $80,000 plus he wasted on three golf outings in 2009 which would have supplied the median annual income for at least two families in this district. If that isn't enough perhaps he would like to disclose the massive sums of tax payer dollars he stuffed into is war chest from the banks he voted to bail out. Of course, there are his weekly meetings with K Street lobbyest, his 'beach parties' that prevent him from voting on legislation and his cozy connection with the Abamoff scandal. Or perhaps, we need to further discuss his handing out bribes from Big Tobacco on the house floor. Ohio, what are you thinking. You deserve better than John Boehner.

Posted by: xclntcat | March 16, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

mmax writes:
"Who needs the GOP when you have al qaeda?

"Seriously though, if it weren't for the white trash South we'd be rid of these clowns. Should have let them secede..."

...you mean, back when they were Democrats?

Posted by: MarylandConservatarian | March 16, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

There is no greater propaganda soldier for bin laden than a republican.

Who needs the GOP when you have al qaeda?

Seriously though, if it weren't for the white trash South we'd be rid of these clowns. Should have let them secede...

Posted by: mmax | March 16, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"GOP to force vote on 'deem and pass' strategy"

"If you don't want to talk about substance, [you] talk about process," Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said.

I agree with Speaker Nancy Pelosi. The Democrats should do whatever they must to get this bill passed. It is too important to allow Republicans and corporate money obstructionists to stop it. Democrats should take courage and get it passed. If you do get it passed, historians will reward your courage for many years.

Posted by: ThelmaMcCoy | March 16, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Really? The Republicans are demanding an "up or down" vote?

Really?

Think about it. Reconciliation has to be used because the Republicans won't allow an up or down vote in the Senate. Yet they are demanding an up or down vote in the House. Don't get me wrong -- both sides are hypocritical when it comes to filibuster and reconciliation. This just takes it to a whole new level.

Posted by: Demagirl | March 16, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Aren't the Dem the majority part in the house. Vote on this thing already.

Posted by: robinhood2 | March 16, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

sr31, pat19 and others - you have to remember that both your average GOPite and tea bagger believes everything their god and idol Glenn Beck tells them.
If you thought Rush's "Ditto Heads" were bad, Beck's clods take it to a whole new level.
Independent thinking is now a socialist plot. If Beck told them Bin Laden was a righteous dude they would start asking what all that fighting has been about anyhow....

Posted by: TOMMYBASEBALL | March 16, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Boehner is looking a little pale.

Posted by: Viewpoint2 | March 16, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Republicans: two faced, forked tongued and as spineless as a cushion bearing the imprint of the last rearend that sat in it. Here's hoping Pelosi kicks the door down.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | March 16, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Is she quoting her own playbook?!?!

"If you don't want to talk about substance, [you] talk about process," Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said.

Posted by: Fletch_F_Fletch | March 16, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

What can you do? This is what happens when you give on party complete control of government. In the coming electionss I'm going to vote straight Republican, until we have a more balanced government. Republicans and Democrats both suck.

Posted by: moebius22 | March 16, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

The liberals keep shouting "the Republicans did it too"! That, of course, is a lie. Reconciliation has never been used on major legislation like this.

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Bush tax cuts were trivial legislation for you?

Posted by: sr31 | March 16, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

LOL.

Like anyone cares what the America-hating GOP wants.

KICK EM TO THE CURB!

Do It!

NOW!

Posted by: WillSeattle | March 16, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse


Pelosi wants to force Obamacare without a vote so craven Dims can deny that they voted for it. Let the Dims who are in favor of this chicanery stand up and be counted.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 16, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

To deisel_skins_1:

As Pat Moynihan says, you are entitled to your own opinions but you are not entitled to your own facts. Republicans used reconciliation to pass GWB's trillion dollar tax cut and the medicare prescription doughnut bill. Those were minor bills? Baloney. Republicans are such hypocrites. "Do what I say, don't mind what we did."

Posted by: pat19 | March 16, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

If Dems want to CRUSH the Republican lunatics, which means the agents of Big Pharma, Big Insurance, in the next election, then they should pass real and strong Public Option or the much better single payer health care, because then they can show what complete lunatics Republicans are to be for the current health care system in the US which is bankrupting the American people and thus government, plus killing 50,000 Americans per year at least due to being denied health care and sending at least 2Mill Americans per year into bankruptcy and many other atrocities due to the current health care that benefits the super rich that control the Big Pharma & Big Insurance at the back of the American middle class.

More details here:
http://anoox.com/blog/Real_News.38034

Posted by: RealNews1 | March 16, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Over a year ago Obama got into bed with the drug companies to cut a "back room" deal.

http://theohiolaborlawyers.wordpress.com/

Ever since then, it is one back room deal after another. This bill stinks and should be defeated!

Posted by: N369RM | March 16, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

The liberals keep shouting "the Republicans did it too"! That, of course, is a lie. Reconciliation has never been used on major legislation like this.

But the liberals' wishes will come true: this is a new precedent. The new Republican majority that takes over in November can freely trample on the rights of the minority party. Is that what you really want?

This is a disgusting abuse of power. The Democrats need to vote up or down on this bill. No more hiding, no more dirty backroom deals, no more legislative tricks. Man up and vote.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | March 16, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Just so everyone's clear: the Senate Republicans' position is that they will not allow an up or down vote on any Democratic health care reform bills; the House Republicans' position is that an up or down vote on the bill is required. Whatever works for them politically.

Posted by: mnwhite1 | March 16, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"If you don't want to talk about substance, [you] talk about process," Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said.

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Ummm Nancy has been talking about process for like a week hasn't she?

Posted by: michaelniland | March 16, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"If you don't want to talk about substance, [you] talk about process," Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said.

And if you don't want to talk substance OR process, you fling dirt at the Republicans. Asking for a vote isn't a dirty trick, Nancy. It's democracy. Ever heard of it?

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | March 16, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow a new way to say "NO"

Posted by: scon101 | March 16, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

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