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Health-care bill not yet a law, but Republicans already organizing to repeal it

By Perry Bacon Jr.
Can Republicans win election this fall by campaigning to repeal the health-care legislation now nearing passage in Congress?

Even as House Democrats search for the votes to send the bill to President Obama, dozens of Republican lawmakers and candidates have signed a pledge to back an effort to repeal the bill, should the GOP take control of either house of Congress after this fall's elections.

Started by the conservative activist group Club for Growth, the "Repeal It" movement first won the backing in January of some of the most conservative Republicans in Congress, such as "tea party" favorite Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.). It has since expanded to include some of the party's Senate candidates in liberal-leaning states such as New Hampshire and Illinois.

Congressional Republicans are currently battling the Democrats over the House procedures they could use to pass the health-care bill. But they are promising this fall to continue the spirited debate over the substance of the bill that has dominated the last year on Capitol Hill. And the repeal will likely be a key issue, even as lawmakers on both sides acknowledge any repeal would be highly unlikely as long as President Obama remains in office, as he could veto any such legislation.

While the GOP still awaits the outcome of competitive primaries in many states to pick its candidates, all of the major Senate hopefuls in Kentucky, Nevada, Kansas and Missouri have pledged "sponsor and support legislation to repeal any federal health care-takeover passed in 2010, and replace it with real reforms that lower health care costs without growing government."

Republican leaders have played down the largely grassroots pledge, saying they want to focus on making sure the health-care reform bill is stopped from passing. But Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), a favorite of the tea party movement, said "this would be smart politically and it's the right thing to do."

Some Democrats view this development with glee. They say the health-care bill will become more popular as soon as it's signed, particularly since some of the provisions most favored by the public start this year, such as allowing young adults to stay covered by their parents' health-care plans up to age 26. Like many other parts of the legislation, that provision would become effective six months after the law is signed -- right around election time if the overall bill passes this week.

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee is already calling on its candidates to demand their GOP opponents take a stand on the pledge. Asked about the GOP idea, David Axelrod, a senior White House adviser, said Sunday, "Let's have that fight." He added of GOP threats to call for the law's repeal: "Make my day."

And other Democrats say it's very difficult to run on a platform of taking away new rights for Americans.

"When it comes to health care and insurance, once reform passes, the tangible benefits Americans will realize will trump the fear-mongering rhetoric opponents are stoking today," Obama pollster Joel Benenson wrote in a recent piece in The Post. "And when that reality kicks in, the political burden will shift... there is every reason to believe that for Republicans, the negative consequences will be their own."

In what has become a intra-party pollster battle, other Democrats dispute the idea that the bill will help the party in the fall. Pollsters Patrick H. Caddell and Douglas E. Schoen have written Democrats "will be punished severely at the polls" unless they turn around the current negative perceptions of the health-care bill.

Republicans say the bill won't be that popular by November, because the public has already soured on the bill and the modest changes it makes by November won't change the overall perception of it.

"Democrats think by passing the bill they'll be able to get it behind them and change the subject to something else, like jobs," said Senator John Cornyn (R-Tex.), head of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. "But this will do the opposite. This will make sure health care is the number one issue that the election is won or lost on in November."

But some analysts say a debate over dumping the health care bill or keeping it may not affect voters who do not already have strong views on the reform effort, if only because its effects may not be felt by November.

"Republicans have been saying this is the end of America as we know it and it will bring socialism," said Norman Ornstein, a congressional scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. "If it passes and not much happens, it's not as if there's going to be a huge backfire [on the Republicans], but in the overall argument they have not done themselves much political good."

By Perry Bacon Jr.  |  March 17, 2010; 12:51 PM ET
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ou may not be able to get rid of it. But, You can defunded it and make it comatose....

Posted by: beatles1920 | March 20, 2010 1:29 AM | Report abuse

What are you Obama guys "smoking" . We needed healthcare reform. This bill just forces people to buy healthcare. Insome case it will be cheaper for companies to pay the fine...oh, thats good. A $66,000 employee will have to pay $8,000.00 dollars out of his income if his employer refuses to pay and takes the fine. The Government (Taxpayers) with chip in the rest.
Wait..The employee can't afford the $8,000 cause he will lose his house....ok. he can pay a fine of 2 percent of his salary.

This thing is a freaken joke. even Micheal Moore is eating it for dinner....wake up people. Why is it so important for immigration reform next? I voted for Obama...I am sorry...a boxer with a metal weight in his glove is not my style. A ref that throws a fight is not my style. I want to win in a just manner so when this hunk of sh*t fails there is no one to blame. The Democrats think people will forget there "girly games". You can be deceptive behind close doors and no one willknow what is going on. They have been in a room of mirrors in front of the American people that most still beleive in fighting the fight fair. I voted for an man the appeared honest. In the publics eye he is appearing to be the biggest bulls*iter of our time. The Dems think people will forget. Nope..Just like baseball fans will never forget Alex did roids.
They are finished. One thing people do not understand. Obamacare can be defunded by the republicians when they hold they cards. It can become a comatose patient. But, This thing is so bad the Dems are going to have to repeal it themselves when thousnands of Americans are losing there jobs...Yes, Lets bury the masses for the few..............

Posted by: beatles1920 | March 20, 2010 1:26 AM | Report abuse

If we get a compromise reform Bill through this Congress that extends coverage to millions of people, ends the pre-existing conditions exclusions, adds full insurance portability, makes it illegal for insurers to drop patients or raise their rates just because they get sick, repeals the anti-trust exemption, allows for national programs and gets the same prices congressmen and women get - as well as setting up exchanges to increase competition, then we will really have done something important.

Paul Burke
Author-Journey Home

Posted by: JourneyHomeBurke | March 19, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

There be sumpin funny in that thar tea!

Posted by: hoser3 | March 19, 2010 4:20 AM | Report abuse

Same old, same old from the right. Oh well, at least we'll always know their game plan.

Posted by: hoser3 | March 19, 2010 4:18 AM | Report abuse

What we need most in our politics is more agreement. This threat indicates continued partinsanship for years to come. The American dream is dying. Fun while it lasted.

Posted by: boleson02 | March 18, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

This will be quick.

The fear and threats of violence (and sheer dumbness) being expressed by those on the "Right" here would be scary if it weren't so pathetic.

Posted by: rebeccajm | March 18, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

The Republican Party's embrace of abject stupidity is getting very boring. Seems like the only way to succeed as a Republican is to act dumb. These people care nothing about the average person. They don't care if you have health care, if your children are eductated, or if the environment is clean. All they care about is getting re-elected and getting paid by Corporate America. I keep hoping working Americans will wake up. Sadly all I keep seeing is the ugliness and stupidity of the Tea Baggers. Seems America is doomed.

Posted by: scarhill2000 | March 18, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Wish we could repeal the war in Iraq.

Posted by: ghostfrog | March 18, 2010 4:20 AM | Report abuse

NEWS ALERT" Republicans understand if HCR pass businesses will began to hire jobs will unemployment rate will drop around 6% and all the lies they've told about HCR will be exposed it will be dooms day for Republicans in Nov, 2010, they will do ANYTHING to stop this president from being successful, and that's sad. 70% of Americans understands if President Obama wins America wins !!!!

Posted by: gihugh2 | March 18, 2010 4:19 AM | Report abuse

NEWS ALERT" Republicans understand if HCR pass businesses will began to hire jobs will unemployment rate will drop around 6% and all the lies they've told about HCR will be exposed it will be dooms day for Republicans in Nov, 2010, they will do ANYTHING to stop this president from being successful, and that's sad. 70% of Americans understands if President Obama wins America wins !!!!

Posted by: gihugh2 | March 18, 2010 4:19 AM | Report abuse

MESSAGE TO REPUBLICANS: If Republicans TRY to repeal this bill they better put their running shoes on we will work and vote all of them out of office.

Posted by: gihugh2 | March 18, 2010 4:10 AM | Report abuse

If Republican TRY to repeal this bill they better have their running shoes on we will ban together and vote them all OUT-OF- OFFICE.

Posted by: gihugh2 | March 18, 2010 4:07 AM | Report abuse

"If the Bill is good ..

.. why does Pelosi / Obama have to buy off other fleabag Democrats

- Nebraska
- Vermont
- Florida
...

Since Massachusetts has Government / State run Health Care and is works so well ...

... Why did they vote American ... and Scott Brown on the anti-Government Health Care Platform

... Enquiring Minds want to know


Posted by: highkey11 | March 17, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse"

Just to set the record straight:

Scott Brown voted FOR Romney's healthcare plan in Massachusetts and,

Scott Brown didn't run on on an anti-government healthcate platform.

Posted by: ronragusa | March 17, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

The libs appear to be the unknowing victims of the very Party that is preparing to take away their freedoms and liberties...look as they cheer on the handful of self-righteous Democrats removing from them their own rights. Silly liberals, silly, silly revisionist history educated liberals.

Posted by: Superpower | March 17, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama is selling out the taxpayers with his so called HealthCare Bill mandate, Cap & Trade and "Highroad benefit requirements" for government contracts.

The taxpayers were "hoodwinked"

Congress abdicated the people.

Posted by: happyday3 | March 17, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

What else is new? You right wingers are so under educated it's not even funny. That's just the nice way to say you are dumber than a pound of cow manure

Posted by: mackiejw
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You sound like a truly educated lib! Maybe a bit brain-dead, intellectually challenged and with a negative IQ, but for a lib you sound quite gifted. Stay in touch with yourself!

Posted by: jmk55 | March 17, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

mackiejw says:

"What else is new? You right wingers are so under educated it's not even funny. That's just the nice way to say you are dumber than a pound of cow manure"

---------------------------

Ahh, the scintillating discourse of the typical liberal; shrill, regurgitated, venomous spew from an ACORN-shill wannabe. The inevitable elitist scorn for the "under educated" (sic) rabble.

Hey, professor, them's big words for someone who cannot even wrap their vile liberal mind around the concept of proper punctuation. Hint: periods and hyphens are there on your keyboard for a reason. Also, the word is "undereducated." But you "can not" be expected to know such lofty things like fluent usage or even common compound words, even while peering down your nose from atop your ridiculous hobby-horse.

Posted by: finsher771 | March 17, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

This recession is never going to recover. Odumbo has not done a damn thing about jobs.
....

Posted by: darla199
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Please review my posts.

The jig is up on this Senate, House, and Obama, the CZARS , and the cabinet.

You live in a great time and in a great Country.

The defenders moving to redress the Federal Government has not happened in more than 200 hundred years.

There is a lot the American people can be doing.
Look at the links I provided to explain the procedure of US Military sworn to defend you doing so on SEPT 9.

Today the US COnstitution is alive and well.

Posted by: dottydo | March 17, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

dottydo- they couldn't because there were to much dem support

Posted by: samuellenn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Actually, there have been Republican and Democrat controlled Congress' that may be culpable for voting yes on a continuance on the "breech of the swear in oath " made in by the JFK signature originally in 1961.


The main great thing for the USA is that finally a NO CONFIDENCE document has been established known as the Bear Revolt No Confidence petition for redress to empower the Oathkeepers to respond.

The mass voter registration movement away from the 2 corrupt powers is a strong show of NO CONFIDENCE in every County and district in the USA further empowering the US Constitution defenders reasonable call to arms for the people.

Clearly, the people were heard.
The proper procedures of decorum are in the working channels now.


I find it extraordinary that Obama himself States further breeches on live television for Courts to review in his impeachment trials.

In the interview WAPO caught as a sweet spot moment and is available within this site , Obama bluntly says he is breeching Constitutionally ordered methodology.

A PoTUS is not allowed to come between the legislative body and the people.
He says what they are voting on now, is not pre voted on in the Senate, nor in the House.

HE bluntly says it is "A proposal from me" they are trying to pretend has been through the House and the Senate.
He bluntly says "he doesn't care about proceedure"


That is enough for a cuff up of them all tonight, isn't it?

Posted by: dottydo | March 17, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Lousy freeloading leftists.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 17, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

In the words of Chimp: BRING IT ON.

People looooove it when you take away their health care.

Posted by: SWB2 | March 17, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Why are we still talking Repubs this and Dems that?? There's not a hairs width difference between any one of them! I'm a conservative and Bush kept me pi$$ed off most of his presidency. Party politics is a sinkhole of corruption no matter what party it is. Those of us who understand this will act to change the guard in November. Not a one of these 'party' politicians should be left standing after the election. The electorate (you and me) must take this bull by the horns and shout straight into the face of this treasonous bunch of greedy opportunists that term limits are now in effect. Then we need to stay in their faces to ensure they don't stray again.

Posted by: gsmithp | March 17, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse


What else is new? You right wingers are so under educated it's not even funny. That's just the nice way to say you are dumber than a pound of cow manure

Posted by: mackiejw | March 17, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Most of the 30 million getting that free healthcare will be illegal aliens who can't vote (I am sure No-Bama is working on that though). And here is some clarification...healthcare isn't being expended to more people...US citizens (illegals are exempt...but not from the free healthcare!) are being forced to buy whatever plans that the Federal government tells them to buy or have a percentage of their income taken away or face prison time. Wow that is real reform you can get behind. And you Liberals/Oppressives...geesh...get an original thought in your heads that hasn't been pumped in by some slimly Leftist group like Move-on (i.e American hating Soros) or SEIU (which is basically the mob so you know all their motives are pure). And Flaming Liberal...don't even know where to begin about your very inaccurate tirade...do a little research before vomiting up your hate whitely/european fairytales. For example majority of slaves brought to America where already slaves to other blacks...most of the slave round-up and selling done by other tribes. There STILL is slavery in Africa today! Just saying...get some facts!

Posted by: caseoftheblues1 | March 17, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Norman Ornstein, would you like me to purchase a spine for you?...no charge to you, of course.

Posted by: Superpower | March 17, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

republicans will be in office in 2012. few dispute that.
republicans can go after obama's eligibility and under the USURPER rule dismantle every bad thing they do not approve of that can be dismantled.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 17, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Well, lets see, back in the 50's the Repubs promised that they would repeal Social Security and in the 60's Medicare and Medicaid and in the 70's it was legal abortions, and now its health care reform....uh, so far these Repubs are batting .000 on their promises, but it is a good way to stir up some votes, get elected, and continue doing the bidding of the Chamber of Commerce and Wall street. Sorry suckers, Tea Bag monkey want a banana?

Posted by: rkerg | March 17, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see the the GOP (aka Grumpy Old Partisans) are doing some kind of something. They are doing nothing in the House and Senate. And, they certainly bring no value to governance of, or for, the people of the United States.

Posted by: w32e31 | March 17, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

If this passes JRH1 I think I am gonna become a freeloader. Hey, free ticket. Lest have 80million freeloaders on the plan. Bring the plan down! overload it! This could be fun! Quit your job! become a freeloader!

JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL

You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal".Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California ..

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Ready? Now pay attention...

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has$31,231.00.

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes.. Jose Illegal now has$31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal nowhas $24,031.00.

Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0..00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 peryear. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children geta government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Do you get it, now?

If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens...

You are part of the problem

Posted by: darla199 | March 17, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

If the millions of non-Americans were cut off of the USA social programs...Everyone in America would already have health care reform. Why hasn't Obama addressed this??? Why is he so willing to destroy our Democracy and split the country, when all he had to do is fight illegals from abusing our programs meant for Americans?
If Our President would have ended the so called wars (they disagree with) again we would have the money for health care. Why would a President choose national division rather than solve the root of the problems head on???????? If Pelosi succeeds in the house passing the bill anonymously and corruptly. (All the special deals for votes and no accountability at all.)
This is wrong....Period. The democratic President and Senate are definitely abusing their power. American's will not easily forget. (Wishful thinking but Americans are not that naive) There were other ways and much more ethical ways to get reform through for all of America. Almost everyone agrees our Health system needs reform.....How many are willing to sell their soul at the expense of the people and their trust in our Representatives and Our Government. This is a disgrace. Reform can happen without redistribution of wealth. Health care is the beginning....just wait until 2014 and our socialist Nation as a result of this disgraceful, unethical government/administration.

I was an Independent voter. I watched the Glenn Beck hour and the interview with the President today. I will vote republican from now on. If any of you are intelligent....you would at least watch the Glenn Beck show once. I was not a viewer until I felt the helplessness today.... It opened my eyes completely. All of you that make horrible comments about him....have not listened to his message. Save our Democracy.......You can skip the insults about my comment...I am signing off and won't see them anyway.

Posted by: concernedqd | March 17, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I hate to have to point this out, but I don't really want to support 40 million freeloaders and nanny-staters. You'd think at least one of them would come over and mow my lawn.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 17, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Some of these teabaggers and other reactionaries who post here are so naive. They live in a country where saints came from another continent, quietly civilized it under great hardship, worked hard and then enjoyed the fruits of the promised land favored and blessed by God Himself.

Total nonsense. Educated estimates say around forty million Native Americans were slaughtered and the white settlers stole every acre of land that they could.

They forced Africans from their homeland and enslaved them by the millions, broke up their ancient family structure and destroyed their language and their culture.

Destitute Europeans arrived here to work and slave six days a week twelve hours a day just for bread on the table while they lived in hovels without heat or water. Then they were enslaved by ruthless factory owners. They were shot in the street for wanting to form unions and better their lives.

Your last president sent our precious sons off to die in Iraq by telling lies. Off to die for big oil while we murdered at least one hundred thousand innocent women and children so that Exxon Mobil, and the other US oil companies could take almost total control of Iraq' oil. This arrangement is unheard of for the last century.

And these fruitcakes tell us the US is going to ruin because the people may have some of the same benefits enjoyed by the rest of the world.

They sing the song of glorious capitalism and aren't even smart enough to realize we have monopoly capitalism that is destroying more and more of them middle class.

Ignorance is bliss as they say.

Posted by: flamingliberal | March 17, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

well i will be sure to vote rep, this fall .if they repeal it and bama want sign it then they can go back and over ride him if i am not wrong . if they are not put in the plase of the demorats then we are in more trouble than we have been before

Posted by: mahye1935 | March 17, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

This recession is never going to recover. Odumbo has not done a damn thing about jobs. who is going to pay for all this healthcare when so many are out of jobs? Is he that stupid?

What a waste of time. 1.5 years and nothing but a huge wasteful exorbitant costly bill.

We are selling our house and are just gonna rent and not buy. I am exhausted living in this country and its better not to own anything anymore. anything you own is what they will come after to tax you and get more money for this healthbill. Time to try to live life off the radar.

Posted by: darla199 | March 17, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Every politician who votes against health care reform is actually voing FOR some very repugnant facts.

A no vote means "yes" to the system that's left 46 million americans uninsured.

A no vote means "yes, forty thousand deaths a year due to lack of insurance is an acceptable alternative to reforming the system".

A "no" vote should also mean that each representative who votes against the bill instantly joins the ranks of the uninsured as his cadillac taxpayer provided insurance coverage is unreformed and cancelled.

The real reason Republicans are so panicked is they know that America is coming down to the wire in deciding what kind of nation it will be in the 21st century. Will it be a nation that puts its people first or its businesses first?

The Republican answer to that question is quite clear.

And the subtext is even more troubling: that America is simply too damned dumb to figure out how to make sure all its citizens have a certain level of health care insurance. Every other Western and industrialized country has figured out how to do it without experiencing any of the dire predictions we hear from the right: revolution, totalitarian government takeover, or complete economic collapse.

I do suspect, however, that Republicans have sufficiently demonized and propagandized a large enough number of voters that even if this bill passes, they'll repeal it.

And another generation will pass, another million people dead perhaps, most of them children, before anyone is foolish enough to try again. And the Republicans will be at the ready to foil any attempt to benefit "the least of these".

And some of them even know what the spiritual penalty of that will be. If you believe in such things,and most of these yahoos profess to.

Posted by: windrider2 | March 17, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"funkyzer0 - very well put and very well explained. Kudos!Posted by: jmk55"

And Credit Mobelier and Tea Pot Dome never happened Huh!

Let's try reality for a day or so, Tweedledee and Tweedledum. Only Humpty Dumpty gets to misuse words like that and get by with it.

Government give aways? Haliburton, KBR, Bechtel, Parsons.

This Country, when the Republicans are in power, tries desperately to go from Democracy to Plutocracy.

HCR isn't a give away, we all pay for it, because we all benefit from it. We benefit as much because when we insure our neighbors health we protect our own, and when we work together to pay for that health care we gamble that we might pay slightly more than our share, in the knowledge that when our luck is up we might avoid financial ruin because the entire country can help shoulder our health care costs.

And, since when uninsured go to Emergency Rooms for ordinary health care because they can't go to ordinary clinics because they could not pay there, we all end up paying the vast and totally unnecessary costs of emergency room care for those indigents.

It is so much less expensive to pay indigents fees at an urgent care facility than at an emergency room.

HCR permits us to do that.

Posted by: ceflynline | March 17, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”

Posted by: borderlinedevill | March 17, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”

Posted by: borderlinedevill | March 17, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

republicans will be in office in 2012. no one disputes that.
republicans can go after obama's eligibility and under the USURPER rule dismantle every bad thing they do not approve of that can be dismantled.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 17, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

........

The GOP's next big idea is
to repeal Medicare and
Social Security.

Posted by: printthis | March 17, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Cry all you want!

Your boo-hooing is music to my ears after 8 years of chimpie's stupidity!

Keep it up, it's funny!

Posted by: Heerman532 | March 17, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Nanny-staters and freeloaders are dancing in the streets. Taxpayers are so busy working for a living they can't stop the politburo from "passing" this Marxist trash. But you commie-lovin jerks just remember the ending of 1984. And welcome the bullet in your brain. I know I' love to watch you take it.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 17, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

praxix22 tells us that the Us should lower tax rates for US corporations so that they will be competitive with the rest of the world. The right wing insists on telling this lie even when shown over and over the error of their ways.

US corporations pay the LOWEST tax rates after deductions of any country in the first world. In fact, 68% of US corporations pay NO TAXES. And US corporations registered in foreign countries also fare quite well paying minimal amounts of taxes.

Posted by: flamingliberal | March 17, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Healthcare Reform?
Why do those Tax cheats bribers corrupt politicians and Liars in Congress always Mislabel a bill. THIS IS NOT REFORM. IT'S A PIECE OF CRAP that will raise premiums, demand money years before it begins, UNSUSTAINABLE after a brief time if any (kicking the can down the road), will punish doctors financially for referring patients to a specialist, will RUN OFF DOCTORS, Cut Medicare when more baby boomers will be enrolling, turn insurance companies into Welfare programs, another IRS code, a bureaucratic nightmare and diminish the best health care in the world.
Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Dodd/Democrats are all lying pieces of Crap. Crap in, Crap out.

The worst president, the worst congress, the dumbest electorate has come together at the same time in history to produce the Obamination of America.

Posted by: Maxim49 | March 17, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Unconstitutional laws will not be obeyed, in the same fashion that they were spewed.

Posted by: nosam32 | March 17, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm center-right and I don't like practices of the insurance industry or the financial industry, including paying themselves far too much even when they lose money for investors and defraud consumers. What I like far less is the government industry, which is 20+ million strong and poses the greatest threat to freedom. Unlike the insurance and financial industries I don't have to do business with, government can force me to do things, things I absolutely hate, such as work hard to earn money, taking me away from family, while government forces me to hand over 50% of what I earn to pay for 3 meals a day + education + healthcare + housing + cash welfare + unemployment benefits + policing + capture + incarceration + defense attorney + etc. for terrorists, illegal aliens and worthless Americans. My brother and his wife each work 1.5 $10/hour or less jobs and they pay for a brand new home and many other assets on top of paying 33% in taxes to local, state and federal governments. Their hatred of the lazy bums making up the Democrat party is as intense as mine.

Posted by: SharpShtik | March 17, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Someone asked:
"Is Obama deliberately trying to destroy this country and bankrupt the citizens?"

No, Reagan/Bush Sr. and cheney/bush already accomplished that part of Gingrich/Norquist/DeLay starve the beast program.

Posted by: knjincvc | March 17, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Dems are moving from one explosive undertaking to the next - settle down and look at what they have done and what order it has been done in. This has been nothing more than smash and grab. First things first, Stimulus Payday. Let's wet the thirsty lips of every special interest group from here to Bankok with a printing press. Saying there was to be no special interst while signing them up at the far side of the table. Next, cajole the American public into thinking they have the best solution for healthcare, but they are not willing to share the details of something that will cost double the GDP of Great Brittain, just to get started. Politics has always had some say one thing and do another...but this bunch is behaving like criminals. I mean what do you refer to this as, white colar crime??? Transparency? The only thing clear is that we are being railroaded. The fact that our society has not put a stop to this rampage is a testament to our complacency and I can only hope that revenge (in the form of no job)is swift for all that are involved.

Posted by: casualinformer | March 17, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

The reps are never for anything that will help the middleclass working Americans,that will never change.

Posted by: smorrow | March 17, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I get such a charge when I hear the libs bashing 'corporate America' as though business stands in the way of progress or some such nonsense. The government does only two things...it collects money and then spends money. If it was spent responsibly we wouldn't be in this mess. But they wade around waist deep in our cash and then go nuts funding these crazy social engineering ideas. They don't build anything, invent anything, they just move money around. The peoples money. They don't create jobs...corporate America does that and the sooner the government gets it's boots off the throats of business the sooner EVERYONE's lives will improve. Think businesses are too rich? How many people work for poor businesses? I want my boss to be the most successful S.O.B. in town cause when he loses I lose. Who doesn't get that?

Posted by: gsmithp | March 17, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Driving around today flipping channels I stopped at a Christian radio station and heard caller after caller saying they were fasting and praying that God would stop the government from guaranteeing healthcare for all.

These people are nuts !

Posted by: metroman76 | March 17, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Never in my life have I seen such liars and misinformation passed on by folks who claim that are for the American people. Everyone should have access to healthcare. Right now uninsured are using our hospital emergency rooms as a place for primary care that should be done in a doctors office because they don't have health insurance. The cost of these visits are paid by us through higher premiums because the hospitals need to charge more to recoop their loses. Who do you think pays for this care? We do. Also they delay going to the doctors until their conditions are much worse, and if caught earlier would have been treatable. WHO DO YOU THINK PAYS FOR THIS CARE! OR LACK THERE OF. WE DO. Folks wake up, the insurance companies want those who can and do pay to keep on paying; they can be assured that we know the value of keeping our insurance and will keep paying these high and ever increasing premiums which are often subsidized by our employers, regardless of the cost. We pay by taking home less money in our pay checks, because our employers have to pay more. Don't be fooled by the insurance companies. They are the ones who benefit because they don't have to cover the folks with pre-conditions or who cannot afford to pay. We require everyone to have car insurance, why not require folks to have health insurance...we will all get ill at some point in our lives (no doubt about it), so why should we mandate that folks have insurance to cover it, because if they don't GUESS WHO PAYS!

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Posted by: nikejordans1 | March 17, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Exact Same Style weekend event by US Congress sent HelathCare bill to US Senate in LATE 2009. Several Problems then, US Congress was NOT In session that day/NIGHT & photos show Person with Grey hair, heavy set & Mustache, identified in News Release as US Congressional Sgt at Arms, whom Lost Job (fired) about 6 Years ago. Recently, earlier today, picture on internet with Same Heavy set gray haired & Mustached defunct Sgt at ARMS, with group in US Congress Floor area with Hon Pelosi, Seems that specific BAD guard Knows how to enter US Congress when out of session & Pull Spoof Photo session that becomes foundation for HealthCare bill Moving Bill on in Process, complete Fraud, Public Seems NOT smart Enough to UnderStand Mess has fallen into. terrible Crime, Right in Front of US Public Eyes.

Murder Is NOT Health Care & Prsent Bill Is Harvest of People whom bought BAD Package, NOT HealthCare At ALL. Entertainment Murder In isolated Place called hospitol. Inside Foundation of present HealthCare, Is HATE of Citizens of United States of America Lawyers Are that Way with Others. Whole Lie now called health Care Bill Needs Be Thrown Out, Defeated. Congress Is About To Criminalize HealthCare Process Further than every before. Public Being Duped & Repeat of first events in US Congress in Lat 2009. US CongressPeople Are NOT Above Law.


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Posted by: thomasxstewart1 | March 17, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

funkyzer0 - very well put and very well explained. Kudos!

Posted by: jmk55 | March 17, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

And DaveHarris:

That is EXACTLY what the Republicans should do! Repeal this Marxist sham of "healthcare," phase out Medicare and Soc "Security" for those under 55, repeal the income tax code and replace it with a Fair Tax, lower corporate taxes to allow US corporations to finally be competitive in the world markets (we currently have the HIGHEST corporate tax rate in the world), .. and these are just the start. Paul Ryan has actually proposed all of these plans. I didn't vote in 2006 for the first time because I was so disgusted at the Republican Party for NOT tackling these while in the majority!

Posted by: praxis22 | March 17, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

First off, let me say if you even use the word "teabagger", your entire statement from that point forward is mostly disregarded since you have nothing intelligent to add to the debate.
Secondly, if you have painted conservatives as selfish, greedy and cold, you need to take a step back and really try to think rather than just absorb.
Our country was designed and built on basic ideas. Those were conservative ideas where if you came to America and worked hard, nobody would stop you from being a success. There were no free giveaways, no entitlements, no guarantees.
At this point in history, we are taxed so heavily to support entitlement programs that the real inventiveness and leadership we used to see in America is fading. More and more people are staking a claim to their "right" to a) a job b) medical insurance c) to not be insulted d) to not have their feelings hurt.

The more you sign on to these so-called government guaranteed comforts, the less free you become. Our grandparents were warning us 30-40 years ago and now this crazy train is already up to speed. The takers has transformed America into a gray and unattractive shell of it's once colorful and exciting place of endless opportunity. We tax and spend, tax and spend. We punish the masses for the votes of the minority. We accept political correctness as the way humanity should function, inconvenience the masses for the comfort of a few. This pig of a bill has little to do with healthcare. It's a goal, you've heard pelosi and frinds spout over and over how "we are finally going to get it done". "Teddy's lifelong dream", etc etc etc...
Well, the 3/4 of us who want this dead matter as well. I'm happy with what I have, I worked damn hard for it. Why should I be forced into doing this if it's so great? Why are unions demanding and GETTING a pass if this is so great? These things are not only wrong, they are ILLEGAL !
These communists are flat out ignoring the American citizens, they are pretending we aren't here. Who is going to finally let the 500 pound gorilla attack them? It's in the room, they just choose to pretend it isn't there.
Conservatives will refuse to fund this pig, it WILL be taken apart by the seams, dismantled and repealed in the name of justice.
The current congressmen and women who are breaking their oaths and circumventing the system in an all out effort to screw the public should be JAILED!
I am hoping to see a long line of investigations and prosecutions after this nightmare ends in November. The next step is to get out the pitchforks and torches. We will NOT accept this from our servants and employees.

Posted by: funkyzer0 | March 17, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Anyone thinking of voting Republican in 2010 or 2012: remember who fought against health care; remember who destroyed the economy (Reagan and W. Bush - tax slashing the rich and deregulating corporate America); remember who only stands for the almighty corporations (the other corporate party isn't much better, but they have some policies in support of the people, such as health care); remember the party that created deceptive proganda outfits that spawned out the lynch mob psychos who have further dumbed down our culture; remember who escaped justice and had the arrogance to join other extremist commentators.

Posted by: revbookburn | March 17, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Someone commented that the Repos are water carriers for Big Pharma. Forget that notion. This stupiddamn obamacare bill would be a huge windfall for Big Pharma. Couple obamacare with the McCain/Dorgan Dietary Supplement Safety Act and we Americans can forget about the freedom to take responsibility for our own healthcare. We will be forever dependent upon bureaucrat docs & their crappy meds.

Posted by: Fleur1 | March 17, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Is Obama deliberately trying to destroy this country and bankrupt the citizens?

He must hate us a lot.

Posted by: wave41 | March 17, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

The FOX NEWS interview opening line revealed a fraud kids.

This is not the House or Senate bill.

OBAMA said "he" presented the Bill on the table.

Go watch it yourselves in the WAPO Headline on his interview .

He is not allowed by law to introduce legislation as a POTUS.

If it passes, jail all of these criminal frauds.

Posted by: dottydo | March 17, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Republicans already planning repeal? Have at it boys, but don't stop there as you might as well repeal Social Security, Medicare and double-down on the Bush tax cuts while your on a roll. See ya at the polls in November.

Posted by: slim2 | March 17, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

If you have to steal private property (e.g. income) belonging to others to get what you want (including having government do it for you) then what you want is not your right, it's your self-serving, greedy, covetous desire. One medical procedure I will pay for is abortion of all Democrats.

Posted by: SharpShtik | March 17, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

from beginning thru its cf end, this entire health care debate and resulting mess of a bill has been the gift the gop sorely needed to become valued again.

Posted by: Waffle1 | March 17, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Sky Beaver.... how about one more time, without the putdowns and bad words. Surely you can manage. Your ad hominem attacks are quite revealing. While I appreciate all of the hard work your ancestors did in the War of Northern Aggression, your story does nothing to satisfy my query.

Empty words, Beaver, empty words. I'm sure you felt good putting down 'the South,' but for all intents and purposes your words ring hollow.

Good night.

Posted by: lingering_lead | March 17, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

The Republican party of No and their whacko teabagger cohorts have let our country down. Thinking about themselves first and only, they are saying no to legislation that will benefit millions of Americans, for generations. After the repudiation they suffer this week with passage of the health care bill - and it WILL pass - next November may just start looking like "not so much."

Posted by: dudh | March 17, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Like I always say, the republicans aren't exactly choir boys, but when compared to the democrats, they end up looking like angels. Raming this bill through in the manner they are doing it is perverting democracy like I've never seen. I will never vote for another democrat again in my life time.

Posted by: AnnieP1 | March 17, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Liberals will spend someone else's money until they bankrupt everyone. Article 1, Section 7 of the United States Constitution is what the GranNanfromSanFran is trying to violate. There is no doubt that if there is no vote in both House and Senate, the Bill be held as unconstitutional.

Posted by: sperrico | March 17, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

These Democrats are incredibly evil. We need to get busy and get these guys packing to go home. If they think they are going to have a warm welcome, think again. This horrific massive expensive health care take over is not cost reform. This is a terrible bill set in play by any crooked deal possible to drive insurance companies out of business and place in 116 new government agencies we all know will be a cesspool of waste.
If you think we are going to lie idle and let these people win, you are mistaken. Wait till those pathetic fools find out what is in store for them in this garbage of a bill when they finally get to read it. Obama could care less if you and I fell off the curb.
These people have hidden behind closed doors, bribed, made deals with slimy companies, lied, hid the bills and preached transparency but offered none.
Oh yes, these Democrats think they are making history but we all know they will be history. Not a minute too soon for our family.

Posted by: greatgran1 | March 17, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Lets face the FACTS: Republicans (Reagan, Bush, Gingritch, Beck, Limbaugh, Bachman, Demint, etc. etc. ) have been and are utter complete lunatics.

To be exact what this means is that Republicans are paid agents of Rich & Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Military, Big Banks, etc.) and as such they have been part of one of the Ultimate Con Jobs in the history of man kind, perpetrated on the American people, for the last many decades. The purpose of which Con Job are the following 2 Key objectives:
1- To give American people as little as possible for the Taxes that we pay,
2- To enable the Rich & Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Banks, etc.) to get as rich as they can off
the back of the American middle class (people) by not having the Government (of the People by the People for the People)
regulate what they can do for the benefit of the People, such as have Universal nationalized health care, as all Europeans have, Canadians have, Israelis have, Chinese have, etc. or as we have Universal nationalized Military, Police, Fire, etc. etc.

And to get away with this Ultimate Con Job, Republicans have been saying any insane thing, any lunatic thing, no matter how senseless and illogical, such as:
1- "Government cannot do anything..."
2- "Government is the problem not the solution..."
etc. etc.
After all, if "Government cannot do anything..." then:
1- Why the HEK are we paying about 40% of our income in various form of Taxes*?
2- Are you saying that we should operate the US Military, Police, Fire, Courts of law, etc. etc. on private basis?

Now to be complete, many Democrats are just as paid agents of Rich & Big corporations as are the Republicans, and thus appropriately should be called Republicrats. And that is why it is 2010 and US still does not have something as essential and basic as Universal Nationalized Health care, something that ALL Europeans, Canadian, Israeli's, Chinese, Japanese, etc. have, something that would SAVE the American people (and thus Government) $1Trillion per year while providing every American with health care for the Taxes that we (already) pay.

Much more here:
http://anoox.com/blog/Real_News.34034

Posted by: RealNews1 | March 17, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

On average, compared to Republican voters, Democrat voters are less intelligent, less informed and commit almost all crime in America. Blacks alone, who voted 96% for Obama, commit 2/3 of all violent crime in America, which is why Democrats want felons' voting rights restored. Let the inmates run the asylum according to Democrats. Democrat voters vote for Democrat politicians to steal for them what they don't already steal for themselves. Democrats are a scourge on America. They should be hunted, not elected.

Posted by: SharpShtik | March 17, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party has exposed itself in a grand way. While in power, they were brothel workers for the insurance companies, Wall Street, corporate America, and the extremely wasteful military complex. When they weren't busy destroying the economy and women's rights, they acted like attack dogs against health care and all social services. Any attempt to reverse the damage is met with uniform, childish obstructionism.

People must not be complacent. The other corporate Party is barely better, but the seriously dangerous maniacs must not get to play out their fantasies. I believe in the American people enough to feel confident that Bushies and 'tea party' psychos will not get their way and do more damage.

Posted by: revbookburn | March 17, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

lingering_lead:

"Me and my ilk?" If you insist, let's talk "bona fides".

I grew up in San Francisco, the place about which Newt Gingrich and other Republicans scornfully say that "San Francisco values are not American values".

To that, I would point out the following:

1. Soldiers from the Golden State, my ancestors among them, fought to defend the Constitution against Confederate insurgents trying to ovethrow the United States government. Since my California ancestry goes all the way back to the Civil War, by that definition my "San Francisco Values" are way the f*** more American than your "GOP values" could ever possibly be.

2. We Californians have always stood for equality under the law, period. If that isn't an "American Value" for you, then I have news for you, pal: You aren't a "Real American". And the bedrock states of the GOP, those former states of the Confederacy, don't exactly have the most stellar record with regard to that whole "equal protection under the law" thing. Sorry to break it to you, but from a morality perspective, we Liberals nail your pathetic GOP asses six ways to Sunday on this issue.

Posted by: SkyBeaver | March 17, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse


Stupid is as stupid does. Don't think for a minute that when any one of the mouth-breathing rednecks out here gets cancer, or a family member does, and they can't afford decent health care, that they won't be changing their tune.

It beats writhing in pain on a park bench somewhere.

Health care reform will happen anyway. America is merely going to do what 30 other Western nations have already done. And these rebel droolers can thank a Democrat when they are able to access decent health care instead of facing the "be rich or die fast" Republican "plan."

Just ask the four teabaggers who fell over, gasping for air, at their little drama queen rant in Washington DC the other month. They were all too happy to accept a "socialist" ambulance to a "socialist" hospital for "socialist" treatment. Moron hypocrites.

Posted by: losthorizon10 | March 17, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I love reading all these insane comments.

It's sad that so many have no idea how our government actually works and have become "junior parliamentarians" during this entire health care debate.

BTW wingnuts, there is no chance that this bill will be "repealed" or found unconstitutional so you will just have to live with it, forever.

Posted by: HillmanDC | March 17, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Good, that's the only kind of interview one should have with FauxNews - testy.

Posted by: kurthunt | March 17, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

39 states are planning or considering suing over this vomitorium of a bill.

After Scott Brown, the Democrats' days may be numbered.

Posted by: fireball72 | March 17, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Republicans REPEAL?? Riiiiiiiiight. Pardon me while I hold my breath.

The Republicans will NEVER repeal this monstrosity. When is the last time you saw government give up power?

Our government has completely wiped its collective rear-end on the US Constitution. I'm not optimistic we can turn this disaster around by civil means.

Posted by: Egbert_in_Tulsa | March 17, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

That Republicans are such morons never ceases to amaze me.

Posted by: dlopata | March 17, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Two words for Barry, aka The Man Child currently playing in the Oval Office...........

"YOU LIE !!!"

Period !

End of discussion !

Next question ?

Posted by: thgirbla | March 17, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

If Obama makes changes to the Senate bill then it isn't the Senate bill any longer but the Obama bill. Is that legal?

Posted by: 45upnorth

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That is truly pathetic.

There are Senate Bills and House Resolutions. There is no such thing as an Executive Bills. ... There's no such thing as the Executive changing a Bill. If someone told you that Obama changed the Bill he/she is as ignorant as you are.

Posted by: James10 | March 17, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I see so many young people dising health insurance. "I'm young and healthy, why would I need health insurance?" In her 30's my daughter had a brain anyurism. The hospital bill was over $100,000. Thank God she had health insurance. If you have no insurance and go to the hospital and are taken care of, who pays the bill. All of us do. As a senior who has medicare with a paid by me suppliment I am grateful. As far as requiring insurance, I must carry auto insurance so that others are not paying for my problems .

Posted by: miriamjo | March 17, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Here's wishing A
LONG PAINFUL EXPENSIVE DEATH TO ALL OF YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES, YOUR CHILDREN, YOUR PARENTs, YOUR GRANDPARENTS to those of you how opposing INSURNACE REFORM to the majority of the people in this country who need it.

Here;s wishing you no redemption upon meeting your maker. Here;s to GOD sending your behinds streight to hell for WILLING ILL on your neighbors.

GOd will not look kindling on those of you who wish DEATH on those of who cannot afford YOUR TYPE OF HEALTHCARE. GOD HELP YOU WHEN he asks WHY YOU HAD FORSAKEN YOUR NEIBHORS.

Posted by: racerdoc | March 17, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

SkyBeaver,

Not sure where you are getting your demographic information pal, but you got it backwards. I think you will be surprised who is living in the trailer.

On average, Republicans have more years of formal education than Democrats.

The wealthier a person is, the more likely he is to vote Republican, but the wealthier a state is, the more likely it is to vote Democratic.

Republicans are also happier, give more to charity, etc.

Now, go back to your mom's basement...

Posted by: jeff3663 | March 17, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

"should the GOP take control of either house of Congress after this fall's elections."

Fat chance.

Maybe in 2014, but not before then.

Posted by: dlopata | March 17, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Just one word,
NOW!

End of discussion.

Posted by: JimZ1 | March 17, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

While they're at it, they should also repeal Medicare, Social Security, all financial regulation, the income tax, the Executive Branch of government, and the constitution. All of the things they hate. The Republican Congress will rule by decree, attack each other, and the last one standing will be the Leader. It'll be like the Roman Empire, except we'll still be broke.

Posted by: DaveHarris | March 17, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

"And other Democrats say it's very difficult to run on a platform of taking away new rights for Americans."

Healthcare is not a Right. It is an Entitlement.

I hope they pass a bill giving us all the Right to own a free 4 bedroom home on at least 2 acres of land next. I also expect to do nothing but sit at home and watch Oprah to have this right to my free healthcare and home, because that is the attitude of entitlement we have all come to love.

Posted by: Chief221 | March 17, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

This article and the many of the comments on it make me wonder if anyone out there wants to solve the US healthcare situation. Just in case there is, may I refer you to a well thought out plan that could actually work found at

http://sites.google.com/site/healthcarefix/home

Posted by: DrS1 | March 17, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Just one word...............

"NO!!!"

Period !

End of discussion !

Next question ?

Posted by: thgirbla | March 17, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

"All I can say to my GOP friends is this:

From a demographic standpoint, we Democrats are better educated than you, richer than you, and quite a bit healthier than you.......Bring it on, Trailer Park Dwellers of America! Just remember, that boot you'll find deeply implanted in your posterior is going to have a nice little Donkey logo on it.

Posted by: SkyBeaver | March 17, 2010 7:29 PM"
You forgot to mention all those welfare abusing inner city denizens, as well as those awful men who enjoy oral and anal s&x with each other. And those illegals, who can't read or speak a lick of english, but some how know how to vote for the "D". Deys part of y'alls party too! I'm just grateful to be on the side with all the guns! You got'sta know dis is finally gonna come to dat'!

Posted by: majorbeatdown | March 17, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

The problem with running on repealing the bill is that it's going to take that 2/3 majority to over ride a presidential veto....Not even the most optimistic pundits think the GOP can manage that this fall.....read: The War Is On....at.....
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Posted by: ronsuev | March 17, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Thank God, the Reps are organizing to repeal this POS Obama-Pelosi-Reid bill.

They'll need a super majority to over ride Obama's veto which they can get in the midterms as long as they keep Graham and the RINOs from trying to pass amnesty for illegals.

But, if they start talking amnesty, like Graham, they will lose at mid terms and OBama's POS Bill will remain law.

Get your act together Republicans or our slowly fragmenting nation will suffer the consequences!

Posted by: Patriot12 | March 17, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

They should start by changing from GOP to IDP...Impending Doom Party!

Posted by: ohwell | March 17, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Good.

I only hope their process to overturn it is on a technicality, much like the process that the Democrats are using to pass it.

There was a time when Obama promised transparency and to represent all Americans.

Now he's willing to sell out in order to pass a subsidization plan that doesn't address health care costs.

Posted by: postfan1 | March 17, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

the party of repression strikes again. do you extremists have no dignity? bonehead boehner and mad mcconnell make the taliban look progressive. get a clue. your prehistoric era is over. crawl under your rocks, you lost again.

Posted by: xxxxxx1 | March 17, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Sky Beaver... settle down tough guy. Seriously. This class warfare sh*t is getting out of hand. We are all Americans. Some of us who trend to the right would be happy to put our bona fides up against those of you and your ilk.

Posted by: lingering_lead | March 17, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Aren't these the same GOP politicians that voted against the jobs bill? Looks like the GOP is against anything that helps the poor and the working class in America. Aren't these also the same guys who were against Medicare?

Posted by: paris1969 | March 17, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

All I can say to my GOP friends is this:

From a demographic standpoint, we Democrats are better educated than you, richer than you, and quite a bit healthier than you. In the 2008 election over 60% of Americans with a graduate degree voted for Barack Obama. Liberal states like Washington and Connecticut top the list of healthiest American states, while Scarlet-Red Trailer Park states like South Carolina and Mississippi rank at the bottom. Enough Said.

Senator DeMint may have the inbred trailer park dwellers in his back pocket, and the dude seems to be pretty smug about that. He shouldn't forget, however, that Dianne Feinstein, Patty Murray, and yes, Nancy Pelosi have the rich kids who learned to read, did their homework, and went to college in theirs. Given the choice between 40-year-old losers who live in their Mom's trailer home and Stanford PhD's who founded a billion-dollar company, I'd take the latter. Jim DeMint may have the former in his back pocket, but Nancy Pelosi surely has the latter.

Bring it on, Trailer Park Dwellers of America! Just remember, that boot you'll find deeply implanted in your posterior is going to have a nice little Donkey logo on it.

Posted by: SkyBeaver | March 17, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

THe GOP is a terrorist organization out to destroy America.

Posted by: DCGuyme | March 17, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Genefox1 wrote:
"Man, this country has slipped back into the 1950s!"

Well, to the GOP, the 1950's isn't far back enough. That's why their motto is; "We're building a bridge to the 19th century".

Posted by: JimZ1 | March 17, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Can Republicans win election this fall by campaigning to repeal the health-care legislation now nearing passage in Congress?

Is there really any question?

Of course they can and will if this garbage gets through.

Posted by: jlbliemeister | March 17, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Since when can congress "invent" new rights? Sorry, those are privileges you are inventing there, privileges to be paid for by others.

When the GOP gets in, FIRST they impeach Obama for not fulfilling Constitutional natural born citizenship requirements to take office, THEN they repeal the health care bill.

Then they indict leading democrats for being traitors to the Constitution.

Posted by: mlorrey | March 17, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

The republicans have done nothinbg in the last two years to help get this country back on the correct path. All thay have done is: pout, stall, and refuse to support their fellow congressmen who are trying their best to make America a word people can be proud to say.

Remember that the Republicans have done nothing but say "No" from the very first day, since they lost the presidential election, to any legislature proposed by the party that won the votes of the American people.

The Republican attitude has been, "If we are not in charge, we won't allow congress and the country to move ahead!

Remember than comes voting time!

Forget the Republican Pary just like they have forgotten about you!

Posted by: unseenmirage | March 17, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

dottydo- they couldn't because there were to much dem support

Posted by: samuellenn | March 17, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

republicans don't support this bill because we like our FREEDOM!

Posted by: samuellenn | March 17, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Let's recap 2009, for all you "holier than though liberals".

1. The American people inaugurate a president with a total of 142 days experience as a US Senator from the most politically corrupt city in America whose governors have been ousted from office.
The President's first official act is to order the close of Gitmo and make sure terrorists civil rights are not violated. (honest mistake?)

2. The U.S. Congress rushes to confirm an Attorney General, Eric Holder, whose law firm we later find out represents seventeen Gitmo terrorists. (An honest mistake?!)

3. We got a Tax Cheat for Treasury Secretary who did not properly file his own taxes for 12 years. (He misspoke!)

4. A Commerce Secretary nominee who withdrew due to corruption charges. (Another honest mistake???)

5. A Tax cheat nominee for Chief Performance Officer who withdrew under charges. (Hmmm... another screw-up?)

6. A Labor Secretary nominee who withdrew under charges of unethical conduct. (Ok, maybe this person was just plain stupid.)

7. A Secretary HHS nominee (Daschle) who withdrew under charges of cheating on his taxes.( I'm running out of excuses for these idiots!! )

8. Multiple appointments of former lobbyists after an absolute campaign statement that no lobbyists would be appointed. (Dear God, I am getting a headache! )

Here's the good news though - Obama took Air Force One to Denver to sign the stimulus package, wasting as much as 10,000 gallons of fuel OR 24 JOBS
FOR ONE YEAR.

Don't you just love hypocrites?


Obama went to the International Olympic Committee to have them choose Chicago for a host city, he failed.

Obama went to Copenhagen to lecture them on global warming, he failed.

Obama went to new Jersey to promote the Democratic candidate for governor, he failed,

Obama went to Virginia to promote the Democratic candidate for governor, he
failed.

Obama went to Massachusetts to promote the Democratic candidate for senator, he failed.

Might be funny, but it's all true!

Posted by: bbjoliver | March 17, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely! but Nancy Pelosi refused to hold Impeachment hearings on Bush & Cheney for their WAR CRIMES against humanity....and other nefarious deeds.

Posted by: angie12106

To clarify, the Oath keepers are commissioned to serve the defense of the People of the USA.

It is clear that when Bush was in office he might be liable for signatures spying on the people, but apparently he never issued orders to harm us here in any action of warriors doing the things they seem to have been ordered recently to do.
(One incident comes to mind here...Katrina.
It was a buffoon's move to me, but was it treason?)

If the Supreme Court has issued any warrants for the cases filed by the military as demands to see the hidden history, it might be another cause for their visit Sept. 9 to the DC mall locked and loaded looking for Bear, but that is unclear at this time.

It is a breech of office not to make public hidden history as a Public official.


The reasons for NO CONFIDENCE call by the masses are varied, but it has seemingly happened, by the defenders responses.

Posted by: dottydo | March 17, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

The right wing teabagging shriek fest is great amusement.

Posted by: wideblacksky | March 17, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama will do anything to get this rotten bill; Republicans should do anything to stop it and, if necessary, repeal it. Then work to do anything to remove the Terrorist-in-Chief from office!

Posted by: JungleCogs | March 17, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Carprin it was Orval Faubus and he was a Democrat.

Don't go re-writing this country's racial history. Both parties have brutal histories of racial abuse. There is plenty to indicate that the democratic party is worse with it's treatment of african americans up to the 1960s and many of it's members views of Jews today.

Martin Luther King was a registered Republican.

This Bill is nothing about Race and has everything to do about Money. Who gets it and who doesn't.

Posted by: algartw | March 17, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Brilliant analysis Carprin,
Speaking as one old enough to remember segregated beaches in S. Florida I can tell you the flaw in it, though. Orville Faubus (not Forbus) and just about every single angry looking white person you see in those old B&W photos of the civil rights era were Democrats. "Yellow Dog" Democrats is what Southerners proudly called themselves, meaning they'd rather vote for a yella dog than a Republican. Of course, it's almost axiomatic that any blockhead who equates opposition to socialized healthcare to Jim Crow hasn't got a clue what he's talking 'bout. Democrats have always been the party of racialism and always will be.

Posted by: MarkS1_Jupiter_FL | March 17, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

John1263, Oblahblah is a one-termer, so he'll be OUT in Jan. 2013!!

Posted by: AZPaleocon | March 17, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

The ultimate frivilous lawsuit!

Posted by: mikebythesun | March 17, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Denny_98 says:

"Judging by the grammar and the intelligence demonstrated, I'd judge that the vast majority of the posters never got out of high school, or if they have, ought to go back. The sloganeering and use of terms that the posters obviously don't know anything about is both pathetic and scary."

What's really amazing is that at a quick glance I can tell that you're a liberal shill, but making an effort not to advertise it, instead opting for nebulous comments to create noise and distraction.

What's even more amazing is that someone can make such smug sanctimonious comments without knowing just how empty and insipid they are; you go to great lengths to basically insult others' intelligence, all the while saying ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It amounts to "I can't believe how wrong everyone is. How are they wrong? I say they're wrong, that's all that's required."

Vapid. Superfluous.

Talk about diarrhea of the keyboard.

Posted by: finsher771 | March 17, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

So you typed all that to say what?

Posted by: Vercengetorix | March 17, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

PS, Denny_98 -- when bemoaning others' grammar, perhaps try to refrain from using a phrase such as:

"Judging by the grammar and the intelligence demonstrated, I'd judge that ..."

Judging, you would judge, would you? Judgity-judge-judge. Get the judge outta here.

Posted by: finsher771 | March 17, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Randy Hawkins, The GOAL of SOCIALISM is COMMUNISM! Lenin wrote that.

Sounds like YOU'RE THE ONE who needs a history lesson!!

Posted by: AZPaleocon | March 17, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Two “undecided” California Democrats, Dennis Cardoza and Jim Costa, were paid off by the U.S. Department of Interior yesterday. It is increasing water allocations for the Central Valley of California, a region that support local agriculture and jobs but were hard hit by water shortages. Cardoza and Costa were in on the announcement.

Posted by: StopWaste | March 17, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Does this include Bush and Cheney accolytes? Or anyone who disagrees with them?

Posted by: Vercengetorix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am trying to digest the entire thing myself, but it appears that all who broke the oath of office are liable.

It would appear that a lazy eithics committee is nothing more than culpable as enablers.


How deep will it go?
Maybe 1961 with JFK signing PL87-297 and all of the house member who voted funding every 2 years.
( what a motherlode of money back out of corruption's trusts and into the coffers of the Fed if that is true.)

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/un/do.htm


A conflict of interest exsists in the U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL chairman placing Foreign troops on the USA turf to disarm the USA and military, as a man with hidden history serving as the chairman.

It may have been their activation, since he is also the US POTUS.

By their own verbage, apparently they had directives issued as orders, and refuse to comply.

Posted by: dottydo | March 17, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

THIS BILL IS NOT ABOUT HEALTH CARE! It's about a HUGE BLOATED GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRACY THAT WILL CONTROL YOU AT EVERY TURN!! It's about the LARGEST TRANSFER OF POWER TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH IN U.S. HISTORY!! Wake up, YOU IDIOTS!!!

Posted by: AZPaleocon | March 17, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Millions and millions of Americans have really fallen under the bus of financial disaster and it will take years to repair their credit and to get incomes of say half of what they earned. What does the GOP have to offer them? They jump into ... with big moneyed , but what about fallen Americans?

Tell me Rov, tell me Chey, tell me Speck and tell me Chimpeau.

Posted by: mdsubramonia | March 17, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Carprin, you are an uninformed idiot! ORVAL FAUBUS (proper spelling) was a DEMOCRAT!!!

Also, how will repealing this bill set us back 100 years? It will mean that we are in exactly the same place we are RIGHT NOW. Man, do you believe everything you hear without researching anything? Try using your brain!

Posted by: bbjoliver | March 17, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Denny_98 says:

"Judging by the grammar and the intelligence demonstrated, I'd judge that the vast majority of the posters never got out of high school, or if they have, ought to go back. The sloganeering and use of terms that the posters obviously don't know anything about is both pathetic and scary."

What's really amazing is that at a quick glance I can tell that you're a liberal shill, but making an effort not to advertise it, instead opting for nebulous comments to create noise and distraction.

What's even more amazing is that someone can make such smug sanctimonious comments without knowing just how empty and insipid they are; you go to great lengths to basically insult others' intelligence, all the while saying ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It amounts to "I can't believe how wrong everyone is. How are they wrong? I say they're wrong, that's all that's required."

Vapid. Superfluous.

Talk about diarrhea of the keyboard.

Posted by: finsher771 | March 17, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

angie12106 I don't know what planet you live on, but medicare has been an overwhelming disaster and in rapidly bankrupting America, even without Obama's help.
Popular? Consider if medicare never existed, Democrats never destroyed the economy and capitalism, and people could afford to pay for their own heath care. Prices would be far lower because of competition.
Ever wonder why there has never been (and never will be) a socialist utopia?

Posted by: ricardo4max | March 17, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

If the Republicans want to go down that road the're welcome. Do you wonder why Blacks in the South do not vote Republicans.?
Ever heard of Gov.. Orville Forbus of Arkansas? Well following the Brown v Boad ruling in 1954 the Ark Gov. called out the National Guard to prevent the 9 young Black Youth from entering Centeral High in Ark. When that failed he closed the school down the following year. Down the road I-95 South in Farmville Virginia in Prince Edward County they closed all the schools rather than integrate following the Brown v Board decision.
Now when Health Care Reform passes and the Republicans decide to go down this dangerous road they will be setting this country back 100 years.
Do you think that people who have been denied Insurance all their lives because of Preexisting conditions will stand quietly for REPEAL--I dont think so.
Both Blacks, whites Hispanics rich and Poor will benefit for this Health Care Reform Bill and they will NEVER stand for REPEAL.
So my friends you go down this road at your own Peril.

Posted by: Carprin | March 17, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

angie12106,
I guess Medicare is fiscally sound and Social Security is extremely secure and Conrail is the nation's answer to transportation in your eyes also, huh!

Posted by: hindsight2040 | March 17, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I have confidence in the American people that the majority, having been fed up with the Democrat / Marxist / socialist / fascist coup, will throw the bums out and those that can be prosecuted for treason and crimes against the state will be so.
See what happens when you vote for some radical racist Marxist that hides his background just because of the color of his skin? Wake up black America. Tar and feathers are too good for these evil monsters.

Posted by: ricardo4max | March 17, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

"Did you know the GOP almost prevented the USA from entering WW2 after Hitler declared War on the USA?? Go look it up!! Fei Hu Posted by: Fei_Hu Uh....we were already at war with Japan when Hitler (an ally of Japan) declared war on us! As such, we declared war on them and post dated it back to December 7! So where is your proof of what you say? Posted by: warhawk911"

He is referring to the Republican attempt, in 1940, with WWII already raging, to abolish the U. S. Army. Came within one vote of passing. Also significant R opposition to Lend Lease, and other American attempts to aid Britain in ins lone stand against Hitler.

By the way, Jeanette Rankin (R) was the only member of Congress to vote against American declaration of War with Japan.

Posted by: ceflynline | March 17, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

On Medicare.....

>>>>In July 1962, a Gallup poll found 28% in favor, 24% viewing it unfavorably, and a sizable 33% with no opinion on it — showing an evenly divided public.

A month later, after JFK’s proposal went down, an Opinion Research Corporation poll found 44 percent said it should have been passed, while 37% supported its defeat — also showing an evenly divided public.

Also in that poll, a majority, 54%, said it was a serious problem that "government medical insurance for the aged would be a big step toward socialized medicine."

After Lyndon Johnson was elected, a Harris poll found only a minority, 46%, supported a Federal plan to extend health care to the aged. Today, of course, Medicare is overwhelmingly popular.

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/dem-leaders-to-rank-and-file-public-was-closely-divided-on-medicare-too

Posted by: angie12106 | March 17, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

On Medicare.....

>>>>In July 1962, a Gallup poll found 28% in favor, 24% viewing it unfavorably, and a sizable 33% with no opinion on it — showing an evenly divided public.

A month later, after JFK’s proposal went down, an Opinion Research Corporation poll found 44 percent said it should have been passed, while 37% supported its defeat — also showing an evenly divided public.

Also in that poll, a majority, 54%, said it was a serious problem that "government medical insurance for the aged would be a big step toward socialized medicine."

After Lyndon Johnson was elected, a Harris poll found only a minority, 46%, supported a Federal plan to extend health care to the aged. Today, of course, Medicare is overwhelmingly popular.

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/dem-leaders-to-rank-and-file-public-was-closely-divided-on-medicare-too

Posted by: angie12106 | March 17, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

The regressive party is really illustrating their ideology here.

They've simply found a different way to say, "No. We only vote for bills that benefit the rich and the corporations."

Posted by: topwriter | March 17, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

So if getting a photo with Quitter Palin and Michelle Bachmann costs you $10,000, hearing ole Sarah speak for 45 minutes for $100,000 is quite a deal! After all the fuss, I think she gave the teabaggers quite a deal.

She's got quite a racket going on. She's redefining what it means to be ELITE.

Posted by: mikebythesun | March 17, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Barry does not care about the process because he does not believe in the Constitution.

Posted by: jas7751 | March 17, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Judging by the grammar and the intelligence demonstrated, I'd judge that the vast majority of the posters never got out of high school, or if they have, ought to go back. The sloganeering and use of terms that the posters obviously don't know anything about is both pathetic and scary.

Posted by: Denny_98 | March 17, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Genefox1,
No we have not slipped back into the '50's. If you had been paying attention, you would realize that we never left. Only the words coming out of both sides of every politician's mouth had changed.

Posted by: hindsight2040 | March 17, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I reckon the Republicans will try to repeal it while some of the right-wing anarchists and libertarians like myself will try to sabotage it. The Objectivists will arm the doctors and other medical professionals and encourage them to quit the business or to go on strike. If I had a hammer I would smash this government to smithereens, with the object of restoring the US Constitution --- with strict limits on the scope of government and a death penalty for any judge, politician, bureaucrat, or so-called "public servant" who tried to subvert or overthrow it. Scroooooo you bloodsxcking predatory humanitarian thugs.

Posted by: OsamasPajamas | March 17, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

dottydo wrote>>>Violation of the Oath of Office is sufficient cause for immediate and permanent removal from office,

Absolutely! but Nancy Pelosi refused to hold Impeachment hearings on Bush & Cheney for their WAR CRIMES against humanity....and other nefarious deeds.

Posted by: angie12106
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It looks like she will pay for that, next to Bush for signing anything illegal too.

It seems that the BEAR REVOLT call for redress and an activation of the defenders by the people had not happened back then.

It is now, and that puts all who are suspects of Oath violations on their stand down and void of signature list.

The Military is not interested in people's political party. Soldiers are nonpartisan enforcement with one service.

By blood spilled, they apparently see the Party, as a place to wear frilly clothes ....right?

Here is what they have posted:

..."Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, peace officers, fire-fighters, and veterans who swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic … and meant it. We won’t “just follow orders.”

Below is our declaration of orders we will NOT obey because we will consider them unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral violations of the natural rights of the people. Such orders would be acts of war against the American people by their own government, and thus acts of treason. We will not make war against our own people. We will not commit treason. We will defend the Republic."...

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/03/03/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/

Posted by: dottydo | March 17, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

let the commies pass it. file a lawsuit. tie it up till november. there will be a LANDSLIDE house cleaning of these bast---s and then do away with it.

Posted by: 12thgenamerican | March 17, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

It's not about health care.

It's about keeping people submissive on the Democrat Plantation.

Posted by: TruData | March 17, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Just VOTE already.

Stop the bribery, the special deals, the rides on planes, the threats to those who disagree.

Just VOTE for God's sake and let's see if the shinola floats.

Millions of Americans are waiting for the outcome of the vote with bated breath. We need this bill so we can rely on someone else to take care of us. :-) yeah! Some of us don't want to work and buy our own healthcare. :-) yeah! Those of us who don't pay taxes know that someone else will have to foot the bill for us when this bill passes. :-) yea! We want a BIGGER government that will declare healthcare is a RIGHT. :-) yeah!

Some of us don't have the character it takes to show some personal responsibility.

!! All Hail the great Congress in their infinite wisdom !!

And, then there are the rest of us suckers who are going to be stuck with the bill. God help us all.

Posted by: WeThePeopleUSA | March 17, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Man, this country has slipped back into the 1950s!

Posted by: Genefox1 | March 17, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama and his congressional enablers have destroyed any remnants of a government by consent of the people. Government takeovers of industry and production coupled with the elimination of free choice and democratic action have already turned this country into a quasi Marxist/fascist state without legitimate recourse for dissenters. The United States of America that we once knew is no more. Sad but true.

Posted by: rplat | March 17, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I would like to let a lot of our republicans citizens that i have freaky-circus sex with white Girls all of my life. Most of them are now married to you guys. i want you all to think about that the next time you go down on them...

Posted by: Vercengetorix | March 17, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

To support the OATH KEEPERS people are preparing these hardbound Petitions.

Apparently, if you haven't seen one yet, it is time to start one.

BEAR REVOLT was started by Veterans ( Czar nick named terrorists) seeking to empower the active troops with a clear documentation of the majority's will of the people via archival quality hardbound petitions (signatured by all men, women, and children who have No Confidence this 2009 Federal Government).

The signed petitions are being entered into County recordations offices as a "recorded document", then pooled, and placed as a" Document" into the Library of Congress by the people of each State.

The well documented majority with " no confidence" can allow the defenders of the US Constitution the ability to carry out the "will of the majority".

It seeks to void all signatures of the current Fed 2009, and hence can retro from 2010 , 2011, etc. to do it.

This Redress call was named when Pelosi went to THE BEAR REPUBLIC of California , threw imported ACORNS at their heads,
then called them astroturf and walked on their backs with her spikey heels out of the door absolutely refusing to listen to them saying NO.


PETITION:

The REDRESS of the 2009 Federal Government of the United States of America
For NO CONFIDENCE
By the recall of :
The Congress, (all names listed both Partys)
The Hill , ( all names listed both Partys)
The Cabinet, (all names listed)
The Czars, ( all names listed)
Barack Hussein Obama ( all "currently" known names listed: Barack Hussein Soroeto, Barack Hussein Dunham )

Posted by: dottydo | March 17, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey leichtman1 Where did you go to school, its not "caudled" it "coddled" clearly you were caudled when they just pasted you on to the next grade.

Posted by: xxx5640 | March 17, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

dottydo wrote>>>Violation of the Oath of Office is sufficient cause for immediate and permanent removal from office,

Absolutely! but Nancy Pelosi refused to hold Impeachment hearings on Bush & Cheney for their WAR CRIMES against humanity....and other nefarious deeds.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 17, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the sneaky snakes had better start slithering away, and the people should stow enough provisions for one year in the closet.


Violation of the Oath of Office is sufficient cause for immediate and permanent removal from office, retroactive to the date of first violation even if that violation occurred many years or decades ago, including requirement that an Oath of Office violator return all pay and expense reimbursements and have all personal recorded votes voided and removed from the legislative record back to the date of first violation.

On April 15 the people will go to the DC mall in a NO CONFIDENCE march on this FED.
to seek redress and enforcement of the US Constitution, by the defenders who swore to the oath to protect the people as it's beneficiaries.
They plan to wear red to honor the blood of every patriot who died defending the doucument's beneficiaries.

On Sept 9.
The Oath keepers as a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath they swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with them, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Their Oath is to the Constitution

Their motto is "Not on our watch!"

They will post their signs that give formal notice that
1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

Posted by: dottydo | March 17, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse


Does this include Bush and Cheney accolytes? Or anyone who disagrees with them?

Posted by: Vercengetorix | March 17, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Why Republicans should be secretly working for the Healthcare bill Passage.

Republicans could not only defeat the Healthcare bill but could have a double hit by destroying the Obama Presidency at the same time.
This most original of all thesis is base in the possibility that Democrats use the "Slaughter Rule' to pass Healthcare without a vote.

How this will allow the Republicans to reverse the bill sooner and ruin The Presidency of Obama at the same time is explained at
www.robbingamerica.com

The most compelling idea in Politics today.

Posted by: JohnGalt9 | March 17, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Lets face the FACTS: Republicans (Reagan, Bush, Gingritch, Beck, Limbaugh, Bachman, Demint, etc. etc. ) have been and are utter complete lunatics.

To be exact what this means is that Republicans are paid agents of Rich & Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Military, Big Banks, etc.) and as such they have been part of one of the Ultimate Con Jobs in the history of man kind, perpetrated on the American people, for the last many decades. The purpose of which Con Job are the following 2 Key objectives:
1- To give American people as little as possible for the Taxes that we pay,
2- To enable the Rich & Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Banks, etc.) to get as rich as they can off
the back of the American middle class (people) by not having the Government (of the People by the People for the People)
regulate what they can do for the benefit of the People, such as have Universal nationalized health care, as all Europeans have, Canadians have, Israelis have, Chinese have, etc. or as we have Universal nationalized Military, Police, Fire, etc. etc.

And to get away with this Ultimate Con Job, Republicans have been saying any insane thing, any lunatic thing, no matter how senseless and illogical, such as:
1- "Government cannot do anything..."
2- "Government is the problem not the solution..."
etc. etc.
After all, if "Government cannot do anything..." then:
1- Why the HEK are we paying about 40% of our income in various form of Taxes*?
2- Are you saying that we should operate the US Military, Police, Fire, Courts of law, etc. etc. on private basis?

Now to be complete, many Democrats are just as paid agents of Rich & Big corporations as are the Republicans, and thus appropriately should be called Republicrats. And that is why it is 2010 and US still does not have something as essential and basic as Universal Nationalized Health care, something that ALL Europeans, Canadian, Israeli's, Chinese, Japanese, etc. have, something that would SAVE the American people (and thus Government) $1Trillion per year while providing every American with health care for the Taxes that we (already) pay.

More:
http://anoox.com/blog/Real_News.34034

Posted by: RealNews1 | March 17, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

When people volunteer their wealth it is called charity. When anyone, including government, steals their wealth, including to redistribute it to others, it is called armed robbery.

Socialists d/b/a Democrats promote government over the individual, which is one reason why they don't want individuals owning firearms. A pillar of individual rights is private property. Forced wealth redistribution promoted by government denies individual freedom. When you have to steal from someone else to get what you want, it is not a right.

Socialists d/b/a Democrats call primary and secondary education, healthcare, food, housing, etc. rights as though individuals are entitled to them by virtue of existence. What Democrats really mean is that individuals are entitled to armed robbery (forced wealth redistribution, slavery of others) to give them all these so-called rights. Democrats use government as a proxy armed robber to deny individual freedom of some people in favor of others who support government's role as a proxy armed robber.

Posted by: SharpShtik | March 17, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Listening to Obama on Fox - again it is all not his fault - he inherited all the problems, NO, he didn't, he ASKED for the problems, grow up, man!

Posted by: IndyinAL | March 17, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the sneaky snakes had better start slithering away, and the people should stow enough provisions for one year in the closet.


Violation of the Oath of Office is sufficient cause for immediate and permanent removal from office, retroactive to the date of first violation even if that violation occurred many years or decades ago, including requirement that an Oath of Office violator return all pay and expense reimbursements and have all personal recorded votes voided and removed from the legislative record back to the date of first violation.

On April 15 the people will go to the DC mall in a NO CONFIDENCE march on this FED.
to seek redress and enforcement of the US Constitution, by the defenders who swore to the oath to protect the people as it's beneficiaries.
They plan to wear red to honor the blood of every patriot who died defending the doucument's beneficiaries.

On Sept 9.
The Oath keepers as a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath they swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with them, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Their Oath is to the Constitution

Their motto is "Not on our watch!"

They will post their signs that give formal notice that
1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

Posted by: dottydo | March 17, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

WillSeattle -- like I said, is there a point where a numb brainwashed lib freak like yourself actually removes his head from the dark smelly hole and chooses to take a breath of the fresh air? Because you have to eat the same sh** sandwich as the rest of us; the only difference is you're so stupid you gloat while you scarf that bad-boy.

As it goes, your heroes in the leftist Democrat party stand to take heavy, HEAVY losses, and the trend will likely continue for many years. Don't be surprised if your false idol Obama causes the Dems to lose the White House for many years.

Any so-called "damage" against Republicans due to the Bush years is long since nullified by this radical hack and the likes of Nutjob Pelosi.

But keep enjoying the "furrowing up the leg," you freak.

Posted by: finsher771 | March 17, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

There's no "reform" here, there's just a complete disregard for the Constitution highlighted by Obama's own unique form of fascism. This country is going down the sewer at warp speed and is on a course that will lead to chaos and anarchy. These are sad time for this once great Republic.

Posted by: rplat | March 17, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I am completely against passage of this health care legislation because of many things in it with which I disagree, but I do agree with some people who are blatantly for it about the Repub's who have done nothing to improve our care system. I will be voting against all incumbents in the future as they do not deserve to represent me if this passes as written.

Posted by: hindsight2040 | March 17, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Get ready to get in line for your health care behind all 30 million of the lazy poor people that - snuck into the USA, skipped school, won't work, can't speak english, and blame everything on the rest of us that followed the rules and busted our buns to get ahead. I suggest we let the liberals take up a collection for the lazy. OOPS, I forgot - they think everyone else should pay for it - not them, that's their Starbucks money.

INCOME REDISTRIBUTION to the stupid & lazy is about to be granted by Obama and the liberals. That was their goal from the beginning.

Posted by: Independent23 | March 17, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Yonkers, New York
17 March 2010

If it is true that Republican leaders are now plotting the repeal of the Obama health-care reform--which is anchored on the hope that they will gain control of the Congress after this November elections--this can only mean that they have thrown in the towel as far as health-care reform is concerned.

That hope could very well turn out to be pure wishful thinking.

Mariano Patalinjug

Posted by: MPatalinjug | March 17, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Democrats should be ashamed of the graft and corruption they have displayed in their attempt to ram their wishes down our throats against the will of the people.

Posted by: Obama_TRAITOR_in_Chief | March 17, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Nadinem - have you read the Bill? I read the House Bill and the Senate Bill but we are all awaiting the New and Improved Bill that has been due for a week or so that the CBO is to score...and what I read in the first 2 Bils left me cold....little reform and lots of new administrative offices and government red tape...in other words, governmental involvement. And did you know about the CER that the Dems passed in the Stimulus Bill? Read up on that and then lets all have a talk about just how much the government is going to be involved in our healthcare decisions (all of them) - google it. And try to keep it civil, calling other people names is not necessary

Posted by: IndyinAL | March 17, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

We are either a Christian nation or we are not.

"Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me."

"Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?"

"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

I hope the country makes the right choice.

Posted by: gsnewsp | March 17, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

LOL.

You America-hating unpatriotic Republicant Party of No comrades are over.

We've had enough of your job-exporting ways by your comrades at AEI and the US Chamber of Commerce that most Chambers of Commerce won't join because it's a front for exporting US jobs overseas.

We've had enough of your whining and excuses.

You've been kicked to the curb.

Get used to it!

Posted by: WillSeattle | March 17, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

If Obama makes changes to the Senate bill then it isn't the Senate bill any longer but the Obama bill. Is that legal?

Posted by: 45upnorth | March 17, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

This ramming of the bill down our throats represents the opressive politics of an utterly tone-deaf absolutist self-serving elitist group of would-be aristocrats -- they are clearly power-crazed, deranged, LYING freaks.

And it's a deliberate "in your face" to The People whom these hacks are supposed to serve. There is no longer any pretense of "serving the citizenry." These anti-constitutional leftist scum are authoritarians through-and-through, and they're blatant about it.

This is NOT kosher. This is disturbing. And you have to be impenetrably dense not to grasp the implications. You liberals out there: at what point does the dawning realization sink in? Does it ever? Or will you keep doing your little 2008 Obama victory dance as the monstrous bloated inept bureaucracy continues to deplete, feed on, and SUBJUGATE this nation?

Do you libs even know what it means to be upright and free? Or will you remain eternally content to continue crawling on all fours, dragging the fetters of your ignorance and complacency, sniffing the droppings of your Democrat heros, contenting yourselves with delusions that you're partaking of sweet rewards?

Seriously, libs, isn't there some point at which even the most warped and deranged wicked misled goon, finally starts to realize that a sh** sandwich isn't really all that tasty?

Posted by: finsher771 | March 17, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Yet another LIE from Fox News.......

UPDATED EXCLUSIVE: New England Journal of Medicine says it didn't publish or produce health care "survey"
March 17, 2010 12:50 pm ET

Right-wing media have seized on a dubious, three-month old email "survey" that purports to show that physicians are concerned about health care reform and that 46 percent of the primary care doctors surveyed "indicated that they would leave medicine - or try to leave medicine - as a result of health reform." Many media figures have falsely attributed this survey to the New England Journal of Medicine. For example, on Fox & Friends, co-host Brian Kilmeade said: "The New England Journal of Medicine has published a report and did a survey, and they said the impact of reform on primary care physicians, 46 percent, they say, feel reform will force them out or make them want to leave medicine."

This is false.

more --
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201003170036

Posted by: angie12106 | March 17, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Yet another LIE from Fox News.......

UPDATED EXCLUSIVE: New England Journal of Medicine says it didn't publish or produce health care "survey"
March 17, 2010 12:50 pm ET

Right-wing media have seized on a dubious, three-month old email "survey" that purports to show that physicians are concerned about health care reform and that 46 percent of the primary care doctors surveyed "indicated that they would leave medicine - or try to leave medicine - as a result of health reform." Many media figures have falsely attributed this survey to the New England Journal of Medicine. For example, on Fox & Friends, co-host Brian Kilmeade said: "The New England Journal of Medicine has published a report and did a survey, and they said the impact of reform on primary care physicians, 46 percent, they say, feel reform will force them out or make them want to leave medicine."

This is false.

more --
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201003170036

Posted by: angie12106 | March 17, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Democrats can't find a right to life, but can find a right to armed robbery (forced wealth redistribution) to benefit Democrats. Democrats can't find Americans' expressly guaranteed individual right to keep and bear arms, but can find an unwritten entitlement to Americans' constitutional rights for fellow anti-American foreign terrorists. Socialists d/b/a Democrats promote representation without taxation, which promotes irresponsibility by delivering rewards without effort or investment (risk). The base of the Democrat party is tens of millions of irresponsible Americans and foreign invaders seeking free wealth and citizenship. Representation without taxation is the combination of forced wealth redistribution and America's weak (uncontrolled, unvested, unintelligent) democracy, where anyone can vote no matter how traitorous, criminal, dishonest, unvested, unintelligent, ignorant and/or insane. Democrat voters vote for Democrat politicians to be their proxy armed robbers to "legally" steal for them what they don't already illegally steal for themselves.

If ObamaCare is so awesome, why did Democrats have to bribe so many Democrats to support it and why did unions demand to be exempt from it. If socialism is so awesome, why do Democrats misrepresent their wealth redistribution entitlement of health insurance and care to Democrats as a cost-cutting bill. Why do Democrats avoid the truth. Every time Democrats get total control they massively expand government & wealth redistribution with new and increased taxes. Control in the 78 years from 1933 to 2011: Presidency (D - 42 yr / R - 36 yr), Senate (D - 56 yr / R - 22 yr), House (D - 62 yr / R - 16 yr), Total Control (D - 34 yr of overwhelming control except 1951-53 / R - 7 yr of very slight control except 2005-07). Democrats started the income tax in 1913 under Wilson (D), social security tax in 1935 under FDR (D) and Medicare tax in 1965 under Johnson (D). Under Democrats, all of these taxes skyrocketed. Democrats are America's enemy from within.

Posted by: SharpShtik | March 17, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Man, I don't ever what to hear a so-called conservative bore me with talk of upholding the Constitution. Art. 1, Sec. 8 is such an inconvenience to the GOP. After 8 years of blatant disregard of constitutional principles, with nary a peep out of these so-called strict constructionists, now they have taken to the streets with their blind, sheep-like support of corporate interests over individual rights. The GOP doesn't speak for me, so when they say "the American people" want this or that, it's a lie that only the simple-minded, uneducated tea partiers can buy.
To all Democrats in Congress: if you let the right-wing fringe dictate U.S. healthcare policy, then your pockets may be lined with corporate cash, but you are a traitor to the Constitution and this country doesn't deserve to regain its position as a shining light of liberty.

Posted by: wmorgan3 | March 17, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please explain why they think Democrats are so intelligent when they can't convince the people that the health care bill is good for America? Democrats have been scheming on this bill for decades yet they can't even get it enacted when they had a super majority for a year. To me they are so unprofessional at their jobs it is pathetic to say the least.

Posted by: DoggyDaddy1 | March 17, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

45upnorth,

How soon you forget! You have to pass the bill before you can see what is in it according to Madame Nancy P. How lame can she be and if it passes, how lame must we all be?

Posted by: hindsight2040 | March 17, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I BET YOU SOCIALISTS CAN'T WAIT FOR AMNESTY FOR CRIMINAL ILLGALS ! NOW WE CAN SUPPORT ALL OF MEXICO NEXT ! IN 8 YRS THEY WILL BE AMERICA ! IF THIS BILL PASSES ILLEGALLY ! WE WILL BE A COMMUNIST COUNTRY ! NOW THE POLITIONS ARE RUNNING THE PEOPLE. INSTEAD OF THEM WORKING FOR US. WHAT CONSTUATION ?

Posted by: MichaelColeman1 | March 17, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

On health care:

Obama/Pelosi - 1

Boehner/McConnell/Cantor/McCain, etal - 0

Posted by: apspa1 | March 17, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

John1263, Your comments:
"Love the birther outrage. Funny stuff.

Declaring things unconstitutional when they clearly are not, claiming that we should impeach a president who has done everything in his power to save the US after a decade of conservative negligence -- funny funny stuff."

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You are the funny one -- Very funny -- Hope you feel good about paying for the abortions of irresponsible people, the multiple rehabs for druggies, and the healthcare for the illegals taking Americans' jobs in construction, and assorted other areas and hope you don't mind paying for the healthcare for not only the "original" illegals but their entire families who will also be entitled.
Rep. Luis Gutierrez who takes credit for Obama winning the Hispanic vote has said repeatedly that Obama assured him that the immigration reform bill (amnesty) would be this year. If not, Gutierrez says he won't vote for the HCR.

So, what do you think? Personally, I'm not happy about paying to enable drug abuse, abortions, or law-breaking.

But, you love the idea....so here's to you.
I hope you don't have any grandchildren who are going to struggle in a broken U.S because our "transparent" president decided that he and Nancy were not concerned with the well-
being of responsible taxpaying American citizens.

Just love you name-calling immature liberals. Go smoke some more &#@*&##

Posted by: pjcafe | March 17, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Dem's, I hope you remember what Pelosi said to you about taking one for the team. You should vote for her even though it will mean you are going to be job hunting. I'll bet she is safe, though. Ha! Ha! If you do that she will be laughing all the way to her next plastic surgery!

Posted by: hindsight2040 | March 17, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are supposed to be fiscal conservatives, but they pose no actual solutions for reducing the debt.

Health care reform is unequivocally, absolutely necessary to the competitiveness of our economy and American business.

The Health care bill isn't perfect, but is most certainly includes cost savings which cannot be factored in at this point.

See http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/08/atul-gawande-pilot-programs-and-paying-for-healthcare/

We have to get the reform project underway and pass this bill.

Independents should not be frightened by Republican fear mongering, and should recognize that health care reform, as ugly as the process is, is IMPERATIVE to the future prosperity of our country.

Posted by: maq1 | March 17, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

You are ALL di@k heads!

Posted by: jonnymule | March 17, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

There was a time when elected members of congress were educated , intelligent, moral leaders who stood for all Americans and who place duty to country before petite self (please reelect me)interests. That day has sadly past. We now have little children with their squables and pettyness in our Congress. The USA is a joke, we have paid no attention to those who rum for office, there is no vetting, no review of qualifications , we just let the cultist send in the clowns ,, and we wonder why nothing gets done. PS hey 45upnorth.. way to go you got it

Posted by: xxx5640 | March 17, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they could get rid of the Civil Rights Act as well and we can go back to their good old days of segregation! There's something pathological about every single Republican voting in lockstep againstg programs that benefit poor and average Americans. Is it any wonder that they cna't win over minorities, the poor or young people. They are also politically suicidal.

Posted by: gary16 | March 17, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey, all: The lines are drawn. What will be will be. The proof of the pudding will be in the outcome of Court challenges, the upcoming elections, and the electricity -- or lack thereof -- of each opposing side. Let the games begin!

Posted by: ConservativeProfessor | March 17, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

bo and the rest of his cohoytes (pelosi,reid and rahm) should be running China not the USA with their third world backwardness and ineffic.

Posted by: somers91 | March 17, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

This monstrosity of a HC bill, should it pass, will end up in the court system and be defeated for the very unsavory tactics used to force it on an unwilling majority.

The Democrats will be defeated and remembered because of the same thing in November and will not recover for a long, long time.

As an Independent, I will not be voting for any Democrat for the very first time.

Posted by: inmanorj | March 17, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The insane fantasy being held by delusional Democrats is that by passing MarxistCare it's somehow going to bolster their re-election prospects in November.

It's like listening to the tortured howls emanating from the padded rooms of an insane asylum.

Posted by: Vituperator | March 17, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Angry Old Men of the Grand Old Nothing!!!!!

Posted by: mdsubramonia | March 17, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

What the Democrats don't seem to realize is that as soon as the bill is signed, the insurance companies are going to jack up rates.

Posted by: wolfcastle | March 17, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, ... Kill the Bill.

Posted by: 45upnorth | March 17, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

So where is the bill? I want to see it now!

Posted by: 45upnorth | March 17, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Why are European economies doing much better than US economy?
As evident by:
1- Euro being so much more valuable than US Dollar
2- Avg homes in Europe being much more valuable than avg homes in US and not falling in 99% of Europe
3- NO banks having failed in Europe except those that bought US mortgage backed securities or securities issued by Lehman Brothers or deposits made with Madoff's, etc. US misery.
4- Europeans Auto makers doing fine while US ones WENT bankrupt, with JUST 1 German Auto maker, VW, having a market valuation MANY MANY times of all US Auto makers combined!
etc. etc.

Answers are that the European economies are doing much better than US economy because of these fundamental reasons:

1- Europeans get Universal Nationalized Health care for their Taxes and many other Social services which Americans do not, because our right-wing Media and the Republican Lunatics have called these Social services "Socialism..", as a result it costs a European family or business nearly NOTHING for health care costs beside the Taxes that they pay, while it can easily cost an American family or business $15,000 per year in health costs for a family of 4 and this is leading to 2Mill Americans going bankrupt each year due to health care costs while ZERO Europeans go bankrupt each year due to health care costs, again because they have Universal Nationalized Health care in ALL European countries.

Much more here:
http://anoox.com/blog/Real_News.33879

Posted by: RealNews1 | March 17, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

The Health Care bill is the death of America, personal responsibility and free markets all thanks to Democrats strangling the golden goose.

Posted by: luncheaterguy | March 17, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

corrections,

You ignore the complexity of the issue. Scott Brown voted for universal health care in his own state, and vowed not to repeal his state's plan. He won because the state felt it didn't want to have to participate in a federal plan when they're already taken care of.

Posted by: pathfinder12 | March 17, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

John1623 -

Congress doesn't need a President's signature to effectively repeal a law, nor do they need a supermajority.

They just won't allocate a dime to fund that Program. Congress, and Congress alone, controls the purse strings. The President can only approve a budget. He can't allocate funding. Remember the whole spiel about Congress cutting off funding to the Iraq War a couple years ago?

Two can play that game. The Dems blinked on the War. The Republicans won't on this. Obama can have his law, Congress just won't pay for it.

November is going to be a bloodbath for the Dems. An absolute bloodbath.

Posted by: mattwalter | March 17, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I think social healthcare is great!

Now Michelle and the government can take care of all the fatties. Now Michelle and the government can make salt illegal in restaurants. Now Michelle and the government can stop smokers by making it illegal or, at the very least, fining people. Now the government can ration the pot smokers, alcoholics, and prescription drug users. Best of all, now the younger generation can foot my healthcare bill! (I don't even need their help, nor would I ever ask. In addition, I don't even fall into a bracket where I would have to carry this load!), but thank you!

Posted by: Bev5 | March 17, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"The Communist Obamacare will be either repealed or the US Supreme Court Will Rule
Obamacare is Unconstitutional! And the voters will demand Impeachment of Comrade
Dictator from Kenya Barack Hussein Obama"

The right wing ladies and gentlemen...

Posted by: slipshod78 | March 17, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

That's really terrific. Could moveon perhaps start a campaign asking Republicans to please sign that pledge? Health care opponents will have a lot of explaining to do in November. I am really looking forward to seeing the Republicans fumbling to make it intelligible to their constituents why they had to gang up around the insurance industry to make sure they can cancel your coverage once you get sick.

-------------------------------------------

You do know that the Insurance companies are IN FAVOR of the current bills, right? That's because it mandates that more people buy thier product without increasing competition.

Posted by: BradG | March 17, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, baby. Get rid of this crap.

Check out this funny Health "Scare" Movie Trailer: http://www.narf.tv/?p=229

Posted by: buckrol | March 17, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Did you know the GOP almost prevented the USA from entering WW2 after Hitler declared War on the USA??

Go look it up!!

Fei Hu

Posted by: Fei_Hu

Uh....we were already at war with Japan when Hitler (an ally of Japan) declared war on us! As such, we declared war on them and post dated it back to December 7! So where is your proof of what you say?

Posted by: warhawk911 | March 17, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

This bill has already elected a Republican in Massachusetts.

Posted by: corrections | March 17, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

It will just be very interesting, and overbearing, to watch how both sides spin their side of this debate.

The Republicans will say something like, "We stopped Communism in America."

And Democrats will say something like, "Vote Republicans because they are okay with 30% increases."

of course, with the new SCOTUS ruling, we'll also get a lot of ads from corporations and groups both for and against the bill or for or against repealing it.

Everyone may be better off turning off their televisions come September.

Posted by: pathfinder12 | March 17, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

cell23:Republicans will not win. Every one wants this health care but republicans.
=============================================
RCP Average 2/13 - 3/14 -- 40.8 48.8 Against/Oppose +8.0
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 3/11 - 3/14 1000 A 36 48 Against/Oppose +12
Rasmussen Reports 3/13 - 3/14 1000 LV 43 53 Against/Oppose +10
Associated Press/GfK 3/3 - 3/8 1002 A 41 43 Against/Oppose +2
Gallup 3/4 - 3/7 1014 A 45 48 Against/Oppose +3
Ipsos/McClatchy 2/26 - 2/28 1076 A 41 47 Against/Oppose +6
USA Today/Gallup 2/23 - 2/23 1009 A 42 49 Against/Oppose +7
POS (R) 2/17 - 2/18 900 RV 40 52 Against/Oppose +12
Newsweek 2/17 - 2/18 1009 A 40 49 Against/Oppose +9
PPP (D) 2/13 - 2/15 743 RV 39 50 Against/Oppose +11

You were saying?

Posted by: warhawk911 | March 17, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Fine. Just attach a repeal of farm welfare. Then we'll see all the teabaggers turn into raving socialists.

Posted by: Garak | March 17, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

the health care bill under consideration is far less expensive per capita that the mass. health care reform passed under the administration of governor mitt romeny and voted for by senator scott brown. would the republicans prefer that model or do they just think residents of mass deserve better health care accerss than residents of other states?

Posted by: george32 | March 17, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse


That's okay - let the Repug-nicans do whatever they want. When the health care reform is passed, and people finally see what is actually in the bill, instead of the lies they have been told about how it's gonna kill old people, and let Communists take over giving everyone their pap smears, then at least people will then know what they are talking about, and the lies will be exposed.

Then people can decide whether it is really so terrible. But they will be making their choices on what is ACTUALLY in the reform - not the lies they have been told.

That should be unique - a discussion about the health care reform bill that actually was passed - rather than a discussion where half the people are basing their opinions on bare-faced lies.

It could be a precedent.

Posted by: nadinem | March 17, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Good! Hopefully though it does not come to this! Hopefully the courts will rule most of it Unconstitutional! Hell...it should just be voted down and for Congress to start over as many Americans want! The Majority of this country is opposed to this bill and yet our so-called leaders are ignoring the will of the people!

Posted by: warhawk911 | March 17, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans need a catchy slogan.
I think I've got one.

" Vote for us. We're the lesser of 2 Evils"

Posted by: palmettostatesman | March 17, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

" why should we care what he thinks"

simple answer to that dumb question, b/c he is YOUR POTUS just like Reagan and Bush were mine. You lost the election in 2008 or didn't you hear about that yet.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 17, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to understand what the right wing is trying to say when they're shrieking so loud. Shriek shriek shriek.

Posted by: wideblacksky | March 17, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

The present day republican way of running the country does not work.. Look at the states that are mainly republican. They have the worst school systems and a greater number of Americans uneducated and living under the poverty level.. The rich, corporate America from the banking industries to the Insurance companies will not and have not given back or trickled down anything... We need to take it back.. if you want to call that socialism go ahead but I am tired of hearing about the outrageous bonuses and the republicans spouting exact opposites of what they said 10 years ago just to make the President Obama look bad.. He is our President and whether yoted for him or not we should all respect him for that. I respected the position that George W. Bush held even though he had no business being there..The congress and the senate need to Stop the negativity and work together to better our country and our lives or......... get out..

Posted by: cjblue9 | March 17, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

If the Bill is good ..

.. why does Pelosi / Obama have to buy off other fleabag Democrats

- Nebraska
- Vermont
- Florida
...

Since Massachusetts has Government / State run Health Care and is works so well ...

... Why did they vote American ... and Scott Brown on the anti-Government Health Care Platform

... Enquiring Minds want to know

Posted by: highkey11 | March 17, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

So the president says he doesn't think much about procedures. What does he think about? Should we as citizens care about procedure? Maybe not. If he doesn't care why should we. Anything goes, is that it Obama? He obviously does not care what Americans think why should we care what he thinks. Time will pass and he will be gone, one way or another. The man will go down in history that is for sure. It is not going to be because the things he did were good for our country either. It will be because he was a not so smart, arrogant SOB, who really screwed things up.

Posted by: nychap44 | March 17, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey Lydgate,
You sound like the people that lived in Germany before the holocaust . . . they wanted to "get rid" of all dissenters as well!

Posted by: reddog19621 | March 17, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama would veto it in a nano second it would then take 2/3 to override his veto aint going to happen ever. Rs would likely have only 40-42 votes Collins and Snowe would have nothing to do with that stunt. Its another idiotic threat by the whackedout right that is nothing but hot air. They know that so do voters, but bring it on and show your lunancy.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 17, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

If they act like this over HC, I can't wait for the immigration bill to come up for debate and vote. Hopefully that is near November, so the Independants can get a good look at the GOP Taliban, in full glory!

Posted by: spartacus7502 | March 17, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I love watching little Republican pinheads explode.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 17, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"Is it constitutional to mandate that someone has to buy health insurance? Is this any different than requiring people buy auto insurance and if so how?"

Auto insurance can be required before a state issues a drivers license or registration of a vehicle in a persons name.

Mandatory health insurance most likely would be struck down by SCOTUS but not a fine for not having HCI.

Posted by: knjincvc | March 17, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are so stupid. However I am grateful for their stupidty because it makes them vrey easy to manipulate.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 17, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

The worst thing about all of the negativity and lies being spread by both sides but mainly the republicans is that we the are the only one that will suffer. It is the ignorance of some that keep this For example ;obamaalmighT The survey information that you stated is from the New England journal of medicine is an flat out lie. The survey was actually done by some group called the "Medicus Firm" a "physician search firm. and the New England Journal of Medicine clearly states that this is organization is not affiliated with them them at all. Even the Medicus firm has a disclaimer at the end of their "survey" stating such..
IN fact a greater number of physicians are behind this reform, we pay ins comp more and they pay the physicians less.
In fact and you can check for yourself, the republican version of a health care plan (when they were in charge of congress) was almost exactly like the one originally put out by Obama.. They are negative just to be negative because they know if positive changes happen they will not win the presidency back. They need to get back to the business of running our country and get off their soap boxes.. Too many ignorant people in the world believing the lies.. Oh and without some type of public options with ins regulations, we will never get out of this.

Posted by: cjblue9 | March 17, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

JimZ1 wrote:

Health-care reform is all about making those programs sustainable. If the Medicare program is allowed to fail, then we will have an additional 50 million people without health-care, bringing the total uninsured to 80-90 million people. Any way you look at these figures, you have to come to the conclusion that having that many people without health-care would be a bad thing, not only for them, but for the country as a whole. On a practical level, there would be an increase in communicable diseases, lost productivity....if there were ever a need for a government program, this would be it. On a more personal level, just remember, 'There but for the grace of God go I'.

Good point . . . so let's fix what we have already!!!! Adding a 50 million more doesn't fix anything but makes the unsustainable impossible!

I don't get your logic at all . . . compassion aside the numbers have to make sense . . .

We will not have enough doctors and it looks like many of them will be leaving the profession . . . these are the unintended consequences of having too much compassion and not enough sense!

Posted by: reddog19621 | March 17, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Reading these posts, they divide neatly into two categories: sensible and Republican. To all of those right-wing crazies yelling that health care reform will somehow turn us into Nazi Germany, I have only this to say: (1) reform will pass, (2) it will not be repealed, (3) if you can't live with it, then by all means leave the United States and go plague some other country. You won't be missed.

Posted by: lydgate | March 17, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

caudled from cradle to grave, how exactly does that work. Most Medicare recipients pay withholding taxes and then when they reach 65 pay a small monthly premium plus a supplimental plan totalling as much as $500/month. If you are of retiree age you may be paying as much currently as $2000/mo and when the exchanges kick in maybe $1500/mo wow such caudling, such socialism..

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 17, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

so the GOP wants to repeal the reform bills if they pass and offer legislation to control costs without growing government. If any such legislative proposal existed, or could, maybe they could have told us about it by now? The GOP contrasts the pending legislation with a description of legislation that would be better, but they don't actually have any such thing. That's just fraudulent.

Posted by: JoeT1 | March 17, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I am sick and tired of the republican playing games, behaving like rebellious teenagers and being so irresponsible and stupid.
I am fed up with them.
There was an election and they lost! Lost.
the people spoke and they voted to have the president enact his agenda that included health care.
But, just like the idiots in NJ, who have decided to recall the democratic senator because he is a democrat and they don't agree with the majority of their state, they decide to pull a childish stunt.
They think we should just do whatever they want. They want everything to be repealed, to legislate morality, to teach revisionist history, to instill their crazy ideology in everything and to heck with what the majority wants or thinks.
People like the birthers who think Obama was born elsewhere and then a whole state agreed to pretend he was born here and be in on the conspiracy in case he grew up to be president. Like the crazy poster Karenkay and her out on the fringe thinking.
It is far past time for the rightwing to be over their year long tantrum and primal scream because the majority of the country rejected your side.
We had an election and you lost. Grow the hell up!

Posted by: greenbug2 | March 17, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I called the IRS today and told them Michele Bachmann said we didn't have to pay taxes to support health care, I got a laugh. I then asked if there was a form I needed to fill out to avoid paying for health care, I got another laugh.

Posted by: knjincvc | March 17, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

There are two things that I am not sure about and I would appreciate peoples opinion on
1) To repeal a passed bill, would the President have to sign that or is the action of the congress sufficient? Would it require a simple majority in the senate to repeal it or would it need 60 votes?
2) Is it constitutional to mandate that someone has to buy health insurance? Is this any different than requiring people buy auto insurance and if so how?
Thanks for your opinions

Posted by: gvelanis | March 17, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

You Obama believers will soon realize the cost of your desire to be caudled by the government from cradle to grave. We will pay dearly and not just monetarily.

Posted by: thehamptons1 | March 17, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

There are a few design problems with the current way health insurance is doled out in America. Essentially, the playing field is tilted in favor of health insurance companies. There is an illogical nexus between an individual getting affordable coverage and employment. Employment is no guarantee of coverage -- it is simply a coupon you must present to be considered for coverage. Everybody has a pre-existing condition. So: no job means no insurance. The fix should be simple. But Americans try to be fair to everybody -- even health insurance companies. To keep them happy -- so to speak -- and to let them believe that they participated in the redesign of health insurance in America, the U.S. Congress retains health insurance as offered by health insurance companies with a few changes to the rules under which the game is played. You get insurance regardless of pre-existing conditions and regardless of your employment status. There will be subsidies paid to low income people to help them pay health insurance premiums. There will be a larger pool of health insurance company customers to offset the problem of the healthy opting out of the insurance pool leaving only the sick in the pool. The default health care at emergency departments will end. Of course, this inaccurately plays as a massive giveaway by Washington of hard workin' men's incomes to the lazy, shiftless, wrong race/wrong nationality. A massive government takeover of health care that "American's don't want." I am an America. And I want health insurance to be universal, effective at improving health, and fair. Also, I don't expect income taxes to fund this change in the rules. The money will come from health insurance premiums. There need be no abortions and no services to illegal immigrants.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | March 17, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The crazy wingnuts are out in full force and like most Perry bacon articles, there's no depth. The same manuever Pelois is usung has been used many times in the past when the GOP was in the majority. Given that most people support health care reform when they know what it contains (something WaPo has done a lousy job of communicating), this is likely to be about as much of a winner for Republicans as Social Security privaitzation would have been.

Posted by: thebuckguy | March 17, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

its unconstitutional to these wingnuts just like Medicare, Voting Rights, Civil Rights and Social Security which they now call communist plots. Who made you a constitutional scholar?; have you ever even bothered to read the Constitution? I didn't run into you in Con Law you must have skipped that class; or do you just like to repeat what you hear from Glen Bek?

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 17, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

reddog19621 wrote:
"Where does it end? I'm not really against everyone having insurance but I would also like everyone to own a home and have a college degree!

Under your logic we need to make everything into something that we should be entitled to have!

We already have medicaid and medicare and are having trouble funding those . . . don't you see there's a limit? "

Health-care reform is all about making those programs sustainable. If the Medicare program is allowed to fail, then we will have an additional 50 million people without health-care, bringing the total uninsured to 80-90 million people. Any way you look at these figures, you have to come to the conclusion that having that many people without health-care would be a bad thing, not only for them, but for the country as a whole. On a practical level, there would be an increase in communicable diseases, lost productivity....if there were ever a need for a government program, this would be it. On a more personal level, just remember, 'There but for the grace of God go I'.

Posted by: JimZ1 | March 17, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

@ reddog19621

"Hey ceefer!

Playing the race card over health care reformand attacking personalities means one thing . . . you don't want to deal with the substance of the issues!

Tell me how going trillions more in debt is a good plan under any condition? What's left when there's nothing left?

Show me one country prospering under universal health care - you can't do it!"

Canada, Germany, Japan, Finland, Switzerland, and several others ALL have LONGER life-expectancies than the US. That's all the "prosperity" that matters.

Japanese households manage to save several times more than the average American household even with much higher taxes. So do Chinese, for that matter.

One more thing: US life expectancy is equal to that of Uganda.

What else, genius ?

Posted by: ceefer66 | March 17, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

GOP are nothing but a bunch of obstructionist! They do not want any change whatsoever. As long as their (politicians)pockets are getting lined by the American people, they want things to remain the same! Just remember the last eight years under Bush. Please do not forget that he ran this country down to its knees!!!

Posted by: kebred | March 17, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

The GOP will not have to pass a bill to repeal Obama Care, they can just "deem" it as passed!

Posted by: rtatlow | March 17, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Forget about repealing it cause the supreme court is going to throw it out.HELLO.It's unconstitutional for the federal government to force americans to buy anything nevermind health insurance.You progressives bit off a little to much this time.

Posted by: votingrevolution | March 17, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse
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A court challenge of a law is limited to the parts of the law that are deemed to offend the constitution. Even if the mandate was judged, after many years, to be invalid it would only strike the mandate. Not the entire bill.

Grow-up!

Posted by: spartacus7502 | March 17, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"Even an idiot like me goined the tea baggers, a party dependent on philosophical issues as they relate to our constitution and natural law."

There was a tea-party rally in my area today, 13 people showed up ... 83 anti-tea-party people showed up as well.

If republican want to repeal health care they will have to wait until they control congress and the white house, then they can repeal Medicare, Medicaid and privatize Social Security.

China and Russia must be having a good laugh at the slow break-up of the U.S.
Financially crippled and squabbling over making sure America is healthy because a healthy America is a strong America. They don't even have to fire a shot.

Posted by: knjincvc | March 17, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

WOW, there are a lot of welly rats that want more FREE STUFF on the backs of the workers here. Who taught them to read?

Posted by: jcdooley | March 17, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Forget about repealing it cause the supreme court is going to throw it out.HELLO.It's unconstitutional for the federal government to force americans to buy anything nevermind health insurance.You progressives bit off a little to much this time.

Posted by: votingrevolution | March 17, 2010 4:23 PM |


...these fools don't read, nor think; they just run off into the direction which is pointed out to them...

Posted by: hared | March 17, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The fact is:

The GOP has defined this bill as the end of the country, so it should be obvious that they will fight against it for the indefinite future. Even after the November elections.

The Democrats should force the GOP to verbalize the need to remove rights granted to the public, everytime they talk about repeal. By the time they carve-out all of their constituences that would be offended, there is nothing left. The items that GOP support are already a part of the bill, it is pretty hard to be for HC reform now without getting a CBO score against what the bill offers.

Tough spot! Don't let them out of it.

Posted by: spartacus7502 | March 17, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"commnunist travesty?" just like Medicare, the VA and Social Security, to Rs nothing but a communist travisty.

Want to repeal H.C. go right ahead and add Medicare to your repeal mantra. Lets see how that plays for you in Florida and Arizona in Nov.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 17, 2010 4:22 PM |


...no need, the old timers who get medicare and medicaid PAID into it every WORKING day of their lives...

Posted by: hared | March 17, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is going to push this country in to civil disobedience."

And how is that? By looking out for American citizens above insane corporate profits? By attempting to insert fairness somewhere in the political equation? By striving to do the right thing above the political thing? By being an anti-Cheney? By sticking to truth as opposed to lies best illustrated in starting a self serving Bush War?

Let's ignore the tragedy that was George W. Bush and live a life of self-centered delusion. Let's follow Rush the great and Sarah the Genius and accept Fox News as gospel. Rush Limbaugh banked over 40 million dollars last year off of you fools.

The Republican Party of today is nothing more than a self serving, anti-Christian, gathering of unfairness and ignorance.

Posted by: SEADOGMB | March 17, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Spread fear, fear, fear.

We got to win. This is Obama's Waterloo. Remember

The last call of the desperate republicans. Don't you get tired of writing the s.o.s?

And that TEA Party

It’s not about the health care bill. It’s more than that:

(1) Minorities will be the majority by 2050.

(2) The Republicans will never get their vote.

(3) The Supreme Court says private companies are free to buy votes.

(4) Wife of Justice Thomas starts group for 'citizen activists TEA Party.

(5) The John Burch Society at CPAC and joining with the TEA Party.

(6) The Chamber of Commerce is donating 40 or 50 million dollars to kill the Health Care bill and promote big business. Spent millions on the Brown campaign.

(7) Dick Armey gave a speech at The National Press Club and had this to say about Tom Tancredo -- Armey Accuses ‘Destructive’ Tancredo Of ‘Alienating’ Hispanics.

(8) Tancredo at the opening speaker at the first National Tea Party Convention calling President Obama a "committed Socialist ideologue" who was elected because "we do not have a civics, literacy test before people can vote." Saying Obama won because Jim Crow-era law not on books.

(9) White supremacists and neo-Nazi hate groups plan to take advantage of the anti-tax "Tea Parties" set to occur in more than 1,000 cities and localities over the July 4 holiday weekend to disseminate racist fliers and other materials and attempt to recruit others to their cause. On Stormfront, the most popular white supremacist Internet forum, members have discussed becoming local organizers of the "Tea Parties" and finding ways to involve themselves in the events. Many racists have voiced their intent to attend these rallies for the purpose of cultivating an "organized grassroots White mass movement," with some suggesting that they would do so without openly identifying themselves as racists.

(10) An anti-Semite and white supremacist using the name "Whites Forward" created the Tea Party Americans Coalition (TPAC) as "a working group for serious White racialist ACTIVISTS in the US who want to effectively coordinate our efforts and intervene for effect in Tea Party-type events."

(11) FOX New's Ratings are going through the roof.

Now, all tea party members are not racist

But

All racists are tea party members.


http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/White_Supremacists_July_4_Tea_Parties.htm

Ppass the word.

Posted by: sherardg | March 17, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Forget about repealing it cause the supreme court is going to throw it out.HELLO.It's unconstitutional for the federal government to force americans to buy anything nevermind health insurance.You progressives bit off a little to much this time.

Posted by: votingrevolution | March 17, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Get thee behind me, makom

Posted by: sheehanjc | March 17, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"commnunist travesty?" just like Medicare, the VA and Social Security, to Rs nothing but a communist travisty.

Want to repeal H.C. go right ahead and add Medicare to your repeal mantra. Lets see how that plays for you in Florida and Arizona in Nov.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 17, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

knjincvc wrote:

"We already have medicaid and medicare and are having trouble funding those . . . don't you see there's a limit?"

Sooo how come we can fund two wars?

You assume I support the wars . . . wars are sometimes necessary but not my favorite cup of tea either . . .

Is this 2 wrongs make a right type of thinking? I'm beginnning to think there are alot of Americans who think our money is in limitless supply - growing on trees!

Bankruptcy happens to countries just like families - it's not pretty!

Posted by: reddog19621 | March 17, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

If this bill is rammed through it must be repealed!

When are people going to wake up and realize this is not about a heartfelt desire on the part of the left to help Americans with health care? When are they going to wake up and realize premiums and taxes will rise, health care will decline and rationing will be the result?

This is actually about the control and power the government is granted by the bill over 20% of our economy. There are hosts of panels, boards and commissions created and funded to control taxation, rates, compensation and health care rationing.

Everyone agrees we need reform, but not at the expense of creating a socialist society.

Posted by: thehamptons1 | March 17, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"Can Republicans win election this fall by campaigning to repeal the health-care legislation now nearing passage in Congress?"

Only if they pass a bill eliminating the gold plated life time health care and pension benefits they gave themselves at "We The People" expense.

And repeal the bush tax cuts so the debt left by Reagan, Bush Sr, cheney and bush can be paid off.

Posted by: knjincvc | March 17, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Libs want this because it allows them to sit home and keep sucking off the working man (GOP)

Come November this s h i t comes to an end. Even an idiot like me goined the tea baggers, a party dependent on philosophical issues as they relate to our constitution and natural law. Something these stiffs wouldn't have a clue about.

Free ride is over LIBS, Get a job or die!

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy55sc2 | March 17, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

There are Two types of people that are behind Obama. There are people that blindly follow him and there are others that have accepted gifts to follow him. Now you know this to be true. I tell you that this is true also. The mark of the beast on your forehead is when you accept the Anti-Christ through blind faith. The mark of the beast on your hand is when you accept the Anti-Christ through gifts. People Obama is the Anti-Christ that you have all read about.

Posted by: makom | March 17, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Lets face the FACTS: Republicans (Reagan, Bush, Gingritch, Beck, Limbaugh, Bachman, Demint, etc. etc. ) have been and are utter complete lunatics.

To be exact what this means is that Republicans are paid agents of Rich & Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Military, Big Banks, etc.) and as such they have been part of one of the Ultimate Con Jobs in the history of man kind, perpetrated on the American people, for the last many decades. The purpose of which Con Job are the following 2 Key objectives:
1- To give American people as little as possible for the Taxes that we pay,
2- To enable the Rich & Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Banks, etc.) to get as rich as they can off
the back of the American middle class (people) by not having the Government (of the People by the People for the People)
regulate what they can do for the benefit of the People, such as have Universal nationalized health care, as all Europeans have, Canadians have, Israelis have, Chinese have, etc. or as we have Universal nationalized Military, Police, Fire, etc. etc.

And to get away with this Ultimate Con Job, Republicans have been saying any insane thing, any lunatic thing, no matter how senseless and illogical, such as:
1- "Government cannot do anything..."
2- "Government is the problem not the solution..."
etc. etc.
After all, if "Government cannot do anything..." then:
1- Why the HEK are we paying about 40% of our income in various form of Taxes*?
2- Are you saying that we should operate the US Military, Police, Fire, Courts of law, etc. etc. on private basis?

Now to be complete, many Democrats are just as paid agents of Rich & Big corporations as are the Republicans, and thus appropriately should be called Republicrats. And that is why it is 2010 and US still does not have something as essential and basic as Universal Nationalized Health care, something that ALL Europeans, Canadian, Israeli's, Chinese, Japanese, etc. have, something that would SAVE the American people (and thus Government) $1Trillion per year while providing every American with health care for the Taxes that we (already) pay.

Full article here:
http://anoox.com/blog/Real_News.34034

Posted by: RealNews1 | March 17, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The reality is that Republicans don't give a damn about America. Their only interest is MONEY and their only God is the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR. This crapola about states'rights and socialism is just a smokescreen for their terminal greed and relentless obsession with keeping the poor penniless (and without social programs) and stealing as much as they can as fast as they can from whomever they can. When someone say, "It's not the money, it's the priniple.", you can bet it's the money - cause the Republicans sure as hell have NO principles whatsoever.

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | March 17, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we can establish a separate venue for Republican legislators who think this would be a good idea. We could call it the House of Misrepresentation, and let them hold session at RFK so there is room for the "huge" crowds that protested against health care reform the other day.

Posted by: joeboe1 | March 17, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

The GOP would be wise to fight this commnunist travesty until it is no longer in our lives, no matter how long it takes. And it's time to pick sides, all communists to the left, all republicans ( and that stands for the American Republic ) to the right, and to the winner goes the spoils.

Posted by: hared | March 17, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama born of a white woman, raised by whites but is still dumb

I've been to 57 states with a few more to go" Obama

LOL what an idiot!

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy55sc2 | March 17, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

These guys can campaign all they want to repeal it. That's all it will be is a campaign. I can't believe the American people would be naive enough not to realize that any attempt to repeal will just be VETOED with no hope of overturning the VETO.

Posted by: croftonpost | March 17, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"We already have medicaid and medicare and are having trouble funding those . . . don't you see there's a limit?"

Sooo how come we can fund two wars?

Posted by: knjincvc | March 17, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Come on people...from an independent...do you honestly think another federal government program will turn out well? Social Security tax money has been spent by congress, both dem's and repub's, for 50+ years on things other than Social Security until it is now TRILLIONS of dollars in debt. Medicaid and medicare tax money has been spent for other things and it is now TRILLIONS of dollars in debt. Dem's have been in control of congress for 3 YEARS now and the debt is growing at a rate that made republican congresses under Bush (which were awful)look like ultra conservatives. Not to mention a financial collapse caused primarily by govt' run fanancial institutions, Fannie and Freddie. If any of us truly think this will BENEFIT the middle class, all we have to do it check the record ... all of US are 14 TRILLION dollars in debt already, thanks to these folks, with HUNDREDS of TRILLIONS of dollars in unfunded debt due because of the folks. This country is on the edge of financial insolvency thanks to these people, and you seriously believe another program run by/designed by these same people will SAVE you money???

Posted by: bmccormick70 | March 17, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

It is hard to lead by just being against things.

Posted by: jfx1 | March 17, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

It is sad that the Republican Party's only real efforts center on the next election. They support nothing positive. I wish I could be paid to make sure nothing happens!
The nation needs health reform, especially the middle class. We need less of these idealogical groups who have their own agenda above the national interest.

Posted by: 189AROD | March 17, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

It is sad that the Republican Party's only real efforts center on the next election. They support nothing positive. I wish I could be paid to make sure nothing happens!
The nation needs health reform, especially the middle class. We need less of these idealogical groups who have their own agenda above the national interest.

Posted by: 189AROD | March 17, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

For all of you who think this provides universal health coverage, you DO realize, don't you, that all it does is REQUIRE everyone to BUY health insurance. So if you can't afford it now, you'll be breaking the law if you don't find a way to buy it after this law passes. Just wait for the reaction when people discover what this really means for them.

Posted by: CindyJennings | March 17, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Chimp! See your latest pathetic polls today?

America HATES your guts!

LOL LOL LOL

Chevy - Munchin on a Banana

Posted by: Chevy55sc2 | March 17, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Too funny- watch the GOP politicians panic as the profits of their corporate masters in the death-for-profit health insurance industry are threatened.

That means it's time for Republicans to stir up the rubes in the base with hysterical cries of "un-Constitutional!" "socialism!" and "tyranny!"

The wingnuts are already out working against their own interest, and those of their families.

It works every time!

Posted by: losthorizon10 | March 17, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

JimZ1,

Where does it end? I'm not really against everyone having insurance but I would also like everyone to own a home and have a college degree!

Under your logic we need to make everything into something that we should be entitled to have!

We already have medicaid and medicare and are having trouble funding those . . . don't you see there's a limit?

Posted by: reddog19621 | March 17, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA UPSIDE DOWN IN GALLUP; NOW MORE DISAPPROVE DRUDGE latest headline

LOL Chimp is losing a few more Banana's

Posted by: Chevy55sc2 | March 17, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: obamaalmighT | March 17, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse


ALSO- The New England Journal of Medicine has a Poll from Doctors (REAL Docs who care, not the Obamabound AMA PROP freaks) and "nearly 1/3 of doctors might leave the field if Obama care passes. Amazing that the aforementioned news sources didn't report THIS EITHER!!

But you can read it here:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/62812

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This is a completely false statement. The surevey clearly references a robust public option. Not the current bill and fix.

Your misuse of it, shows a need to draw interest thru diseption. Typical in this argument from your side.

Posted by: spartacus7502 | March 17, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Repubs are desperately trying to write themselves into the next election because they missed the opportunity to contribute in a meaningful way to this legislation -- arguably the most important legislation of the past 40 years.

Posted by: gce1356 | March 17, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: paul65 | March 17, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Republicans would use more lies and deceptions to try to repeal the health care reform bill. They have operated in this mode for decades. Corporate lobbyists own them and reward them handsomely for their votes. Some democrats are just as bad, but basic health care for all would make our entire society more prosperous.

Posted by: ThelmaMcCoy | March 17, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey Glen,
You have obviously bought the lie of the Dems talking points . . . here's the real facts about the insurance industry:

Health insurers posted a 2.2 percent profit margin last year, placing them 35th on the Fortune 500 list of top industries. As is typical, other health sectors did much better – drugs and medical products and services were both in the top 10.
The railroads brought in a 12.6 percent profit margin. Leading the list: network and other communications equipment, at 20.4 percent. The latest annual profit margins of a selection of products, services and industries: Tupperware Brands, 7.5 percent; Yahoo, 5.9 percent; Hershey, 6.1 percent; Clorox, 8.7 percent; Molson Coors Brewing, 8.1 percent; construction and farm machinery, 5 percent; Yum Brands (think KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell), 8.5 percent.

You've been duped - wake up!

Posted by: reddog19621 | March 17, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

reddog19621 wrote:

"Are you paying attention to anything that the CBO has said? Premiums going higher, taxes going up, health care costs higher - the only ones who will have it more affordable are the unemployed! Welcome to socialism!"

First, I'm going to be in that group who will be making the greatest contributions to any new health care system, and I say, that is fine with me if it reduces the suffering that I see around me on a daily basis. Second, I wish I could feel as comfortable about my job as you appear to be. While I have a good job and SHOULD be very employable, my job could be gone tomorrow, especially in this financial climate (thanks G.W). Third, these programs are not socialism. They are part of what makes the United States a great society. I have certainly taken advantage of the student loan program for college, and I hope that the country will benefit from that investment. Imagine a United States without Social Security, Medicare, the Student Loan Program and you would be looking at a pretty dismal place. So, no, it's not socialism. It's called living in a society.

Posted by: JimZ1 | March 17, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

It's my understanding that this bill includes a clause that says the bill cannot be repealed by future congresses. If it's actually in the bill I would think it's unconstitutional.

Anyone else seen that clause?

Posted by: thehamptons1 | March 17, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 43% favor the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats, while 53% oppose it. Posted by: allenridge"

Of course, even Rassmusen knows that at least 10% of that oppose block is against it BECAUSE THEY WANT MORE!

Do you really believe that people who want MORE HCR are going to vote for a candidate who wants to repeal what we just got?

Posted by: ceflynline | March 17, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama is going to push this country in to civil disobedience. I'm not hearing good things from friends that belong to Militia's.

Nice going Chimp!

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy55sc2 | March 17, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

PELOSI in Wonderland ...

The "Fork Tongued" Obama "plan"
- kickbacks
- buy offs / Nebraska, Florida, Vermont ...
- NO National Competition + 30 Million NEw "customers" for Insurance CO's
- NO Tort Reform - $180 Million from Trial Lawyers in 2008 to Democrats / $43 Million to Obama

There is no such Democrat program, where Democrats don't get a cut, future payoffs ...

.. just have to find them

Posted by: highkey11 | March 17, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Have at it.

If this bill leads to single payer or the public option, I'm all for it. The Republicans only plan is to repeal this and let the health insurance monopoly keep us over a barrel and they ram their lack of regulation down our throats and screw us when the house of cards falls. I've been reamed enough by the Republicans. I want people in power that realise that if a government isn't helping all the people (socialism) then it is not a real democracy.

Posted by: glenglish | March 17, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"If forcing young, healthy people to buy HC is a preferred way to lower HC costs for older, more infirm people, why allow 22-26 year olds (post-college grads) to remain on their parents' HC? Why not force them "into the pool"? This seems inconsistent. Posted by: Fletch_F_Fletch"

The mandate doesn't kick in in just six months. AND the mandate requires that young people be insured, SOMEWAY. If staying on their parent's insurance qualifies them, they meet the mandate.

Posted by: ceflynline | March 17, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse


This Commie bill will not stand.

Posted by: wmpowellfan | March 17, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

PELOSI in Wonderland ...

The "Fork Tongued" Obama "plan"
- kickbacks
- buy offs / Nebraska, Florida, Vermont ...
- NO National Competition + 30 Million New "customers" for Insurance CO's
- NO Tort Reform - $180 Million from Trial Lawyers in 2008 to Democrats / $43 Million to Obama

There is no such Democrat program, where Democrats don't get a cut, future payoffs ...

.. just have to find them

Posted by: highkey11 | March 17, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

To those now protesting the soon to be passed Healthcare Bill, remember the 1960's when kids burned their draft cards in protest? If you're that set against "government run healthcare" then I suggest all you teabaggers burn your Medicare Cards!!! Better yet, burn your Social Security checks also. That is after all yet another one of those darn "government run programs".

Posted by: logcabin1836 | March 17, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Can't really figure out all the emotion over this issue. The Chinese probably won't lend us the money to implement it if it passes.

Posted by: nemosnemesis | March 17, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Please, prove to me that God exists and have the Republicans run on this platform. They can go on the stump, hold town meetings and defend the poor underfunded healthcare industry, defend exclusions for pre-existing conditions, defend dropping the sick.

This bill doesn't go nearly far enough, but it does go far enough to hang the Republicans if they campaign on repeal.

Posted by: pblotto | March 17, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Every one of the corrupt, irresponsible ars$holes who votes for this travesty needs to be marked for defeat at the first opportunity, period.
This is an unprecidented power grab by these feces heads, and it needs to be defeated.

Posted by: LarryG62 | March 17, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Getting it passed will be child's play compared to repealing it. All we have to do is stall and delay and veto. And here's the trick. Once this bill is passed and starts to benefit the american people, they will recognize the dirty rethuglicans for the shills that they are and kick them out of government.

Posted by: insider9909 | March 17, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"Being responsible for shutting down the federal government got the Republicans in trouble once, and the Democrats haven't forgotten that the people didn't care about right or wrong, just that everything stopped."

That's right, and they blamed Newt for stopping it by sending Clinton a really wretched budget, late and largely secret. Clinton vetoed it, Newt lost big time, and never trusted Clinton again.

Posted by: ceflynline | March 17, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Republicans do try and repeal Obama's Healthcare Bill. I'd like to see them take healthcare away from the 30 Million Americans who will now receive it.
That will be 30 Million Votes against the Republicans in November. As Clint Eastwood would say...go ahead GOP Make My Day.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | March 17, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

We NEED to stop this bill NOW!

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Posted by: bbitemee | March 17, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse
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The teabaggers want to help you but they had a Medicare appointment today

Posted by: Emmetrope | March 17, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Many Americans equate health care reform with health care on demand. The Democrat bill does exactly the opposite. It delays care and when someone goes to the doctor and is told the're going to have to wait several months, watch all hell break loose. Democrats have created a monster that if not contained, will bankrupt the country. They know it and we know it. Thing is, they'll be long gone when the real dirt hits the fan so what do they care? They can slap themselves on the back and say we won especially if they shred the Constitution by passing the bill the way Pelosi has suggested. So, what's to do? Well, you don't repeal the law, you replace (amend) its contents with new provisions that superceed the the original law's provisions. Keep the good and get rid of the bad.

Posted by: WriterDude | March 17, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

You're back for more abigsam? He didn't HAVE to say it was a Socialist model of HC, all any one intelligent has to do is look at the countries who has this type of H/C; and whadoom! communist and Socialist countries or continents- It is what it IS!


Do you have anything of SUBSTANCE to refute, or challenge what I've posted? Because if not, I don't have time to entertain your vacuous, mindless, and insignificant drivel. Stick to the point.

Anyways- back to the adults:


Obama's own cousin who is a MD said that Obama care is very bad for America, and that the bill should not pass as it is. I bet he won't be getting any more invitations to the Marxist House for din din anymore, LOL. Of COURSE ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, and the other Marxist House drones didn't capture this story.


But you can, right here:


http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2010/03/obamas_doctor_c.php


ALSO- The New England Journal of Medicine has a Poll from Doctors (REAL Docs who care, not the Obamabound AMA PROP freaks) and "nearly 1/3 of doctors might leave the field if Obama care passes. Amazing that the aforementioned news sources didn't report THIS EITHER!!

But you can read it here:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/62812

AND here:


The study also shows how badly Obamacare supporters have lost the debate among physicians (closely tracking the popular numbers):

Physician Support of Health Reform in General

• 62.7% of physicians feel that health reform is needed but should be implemented in a more targeted, gradual way, as opposed to the sweeping overhaul that is in legislation.


• 28.7% of physicians are in favor of a public option.


• 3.6% of physicians prefer the “status quo” and feel that the U.S. health care system is best “as is.


http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2010/03/16/obamacare-driving-doctors-out-of-medicine/


THIS GARBAGE IS DEAD AND STINKING!! THANK GOD, HE STILL LOVES AMERICA!!

Posted by: obamaalmighT | March 17, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

America represented a country where a person can walk in from the streets and be a success. Throughout the years, since the '60's, the people have become more and more "needy" on demanding government assistancxe in their lives, instead of standing independent and strong.

We have a "Cheerleader-in-Chief" whose only qualification ios to Emcee a show like "Queen for a Day."

When King Obonehead won the election, every loser in America hit the lottery.

Welcome to the world of "Cash for Flunkers," where every loser in life gets to suck off the fruits of the productive citizen's labor.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | March 17, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Team Obama is practicing perfect political jujitsu. While the GOP is looking at the next 7 months the Dems are looking at the next 20 years. M McConnell stated they would campaign on overturning HCR...yeah right! Give insurers BACK the right to decline sick people that have paid their premiums? GOOD LUCK! You could actually see Axelrod try to hold back his excitement of the GOP falling into that trap. Team Obama, for all the missteps, is still way ahead of the GOP on this...and ahead of the polling too. Remember Obama has just begun to campaign to sell the benefits of HCR. All this anger is about process and has a shelf life of a few months. The GOP will be identified as the opposition to health care for years to come. They are likely to fall into the same trap with Latinos over immigration reform that they did with Afican Americans over civil rights...and they should worry about how close to bailed out banks they look over financial reform. When the campaign season starts in earnest the Dems will be pounding these guys.

If the Republicans are preaching doom for the Dems in public, they are probably preaching doom for themselves in private. They know they trying to kill HCR for their survival.

Think about it, if the Dems were truly about to perform a catastrophic misstep to lose the House and the Senate as they claim, do you think the entire GOP leadership would be kicking up dust, ranting on every talk shoew, worrying about the state of the Democrats and their eventual loss of control? Heck No, they would wait idly by and watch them bury themselves with their own shovel. First Rule in Politics: When the other team is defeating itself, get out of the way. The Dems are not defeating themselves with HCR. They are on the right side of history.

Posted by: gvbajb | March 17, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

When the Republicans run on repealing the HCR, they lose the 10% to 20% of the people who don't like this bill because it doesn't go far enough. If they make repeal their primary plank, that costs them way too many votes to ever win elections. They need to read their own polls, the ones they keep misrepresenting, as Americans being against Health Care. While they run on "Let's start over" the Dems run on "Let's make it better.

By the way, the T-People will be out in force ranting about Death Panels, Government take Over, Socialism, and all the other distruths, and much of that will conflate to Republicans and "Repeal HCR Now." Since the untruthfulness of the T-Platform will be obvious, that should hurt the R's who haven't already been RINO'd by the T's. This is really a three way campaign, and that destroys the one bid advantage the R's have, party discipline.

Posted by: ceflynline | March 17, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

why would Republican candidates make that pledge?

Even if they take the House and Senate Obama would veto any repeal bill.

Or is the pledge mostly a strategy like the Contract for America?

Posted by: Pensfans | March 17, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I keep hearing what Americans want and don't want, but no one has ever asked me, nor anyone I know; guess we're too quiet. Anyway, I want this health care bill; I want to see all Americans have access to what most seem to agree is a system with the finest doctors, nurses, technicians, hospitals, equipment, etc. in the world!

Posted by: jujones1 | March 17, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

NO! NO! NO! squeal the piggy Republicans.
NO healthcare for YOU Americans.
All our $$$$ go to Wall Street and tax cuts for the Rich. Yes, we are Rich! We love our tax cuts.

AND Debt. WE LOVE Republican Debt. We rang up $9 trillion of America's $11 trillion Debt under Reagan, Bush, and Bush.

Yes, Oink, Oink, Oink for tax cuts for the Rich and Republican Debt. NO! NO! NO! to healthcare for Americans and Democrat debt.

Posted by: chucky-el | March 17, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey ceefer!

Playing the race card over health care reformand attacking personalities means one thing . . . you don't want to deal with the substance of the issues!

Tell me how going trillions more in debt is a good plan under any condition? What's left when there's nothing left?

Show me one country prospering under universal health care - you can't do it!

Posted by: reddog19621 | March 17, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

First: the silence of the lambs.

Second: the shrieking of the neocons.

Posted by: wideblacksky | March 17, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

obamaalmighT wrote:

Let's see what Tim Cahill, Mass TREASURER has to say about THEIR State UNIVERSAL/NATIONAL/SOCIALIST Health Care System, and what it has done to the Mass economy:

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I heard what Tim Cahill said about their Healthcare System but he didn't use the word "socialist" at all.

Gee, I wonder if it was because it was a REPUBLICAN governer (Mitt Romney) who passed it?

I hope you guys nominate Romney for 2012! (With Palin for VP of course)

Posted by: abigsam | March 17, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

". The Republican Party is opposed to Health Care Reform for one reason and one reason only, they are being paid off by the Health Insurance Industry."

That's only the half of it. The other, more obvious reason is they simply don't want the nation's first Black president to succeed. The Republicans have worked to sabotage Barack Obama since day one, even when it meant hurting themselves in the process. Good old-fashioned American racism at its worst.

Those idiots would rather have a ne'er-do-well like Dubya, a war profiteer like Cheney, a flip-flopping cult member like Romney, or a dingbat floozy like Palin than Harvard-educated Obama even if it means sending what's left of this country down the toilet. For one reason alone.

Pathetic.

Posted by: ceefer66 | March 17, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

That'd be quite a takeaway to repeal anti-pre/existing condition rules, once they're enacted. Same thing with the kids staying on parents' insurance rules.

I would love for the Repubs to start pushing the repeal. That's a surefire electoral loser.

Posted by: chi-town | March 17, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

As part of middle America, I hear the left saying that pass this bill now, no matter what and the right saying kill this bill now, no matter what. The sky will fall, evidently, no matter what. As usual, the truth lies somewhere in between. The outcome, in my opinion, is that the sky will fall for both parties in the end because middle America is realizing that neither party serves them any longer, if they ever did. We are fed up with both parties and their governing from one extreme or the other.

Posted by: TerrenceKai | March 17, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

To hell with bo's ego and block this Hindenberg Bill.Nasty pelosi,socialist reid,and tyrant rahmbo are willing to put America in the brink of econ.crisis with their obsessive 'love' of bo and his demanding tantrums.When bo finally destroys America with his extrav. not to mention his personal cost, he at least has other countries which would gladly bestow homeland rights - Indonesia and Kenya.And Hilliary would take pelosi and the rest of ganglanders to Canada with her.
STOP THIS COSTLY BILL before we all end up as 'waifs' in some Chinese provinces

Posted by: somers91 | March 17, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

JimZ1 wrote: Even Republicans will have a hard time going to the polls and voting against affordable and accessible health-care. They may be dumb, but they're not crazy.

Are you paying attention to anything that the CBO has said? Premiums going higher, taxes going up, health care costs higher - the only ones who will have it more affordable are the unemployed! Welcome to socialism!

Posted by: reddog19621 | March 17, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

To hell with bo's ego and block this Hindenberg Bill.Nasty pelosi,socialist reid,and tyrant rahmbo are willing to put America in the brink of econ.crisis with their obsessive 'love' of bo and his demanding tantrums.When bo finally destroys America with his extrav. not to mention his personal cost, he at least has other countries which would gladly bestow homeland rights - Indonesia and Kenya.And Hilliary would take pelosi and the rest of ganglanders to Canada with her.
STOP THIS COSTLY BILL before we all end up as 'waifs' in some Chinese provinces

Posted by: somers91 | March 17, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

It is all about regaining power, never about what is best for the country. This is the GOP, the Party of No!; the Lemming Party of America. Health care must be fixed, or by 2020, one third of Middle class America's paycheck will be going to paying the Health care insurers. That is the bottom line. Young healthy people drop out now because of the current cost increases, causing premiums to go up for the middle aged and older. The "Party of No! solution is keep it the same, start over, promote portability,based upon the least regulated state being the domiciliary state for the insurer don't pass any real reforms, giving the insureds no remedy at law in their home state. As Bush put it, "Great Job Brownie" except Brownie now is the entire Party of No!. Between the current GOP hatred of the Middle class, and love for the rich that funds their conservative excesses, the Middle of the road voter had better take of their rose colored glasses, and band together to protect the Middle class, or it will be the rich, and the poor, just as in 18th century England. sweat shops and all!

Posted by: atc333 | March 17, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I think it would be hilarious if the GOP tried running on a mandate of repealing the bill. After a year of debating healthcare, the public is sick of the subject. The GOP will seem like that annoying mosquito that keeps buzzing by your ear in the night that after a while, starts really grating on your nerves.

The Dems will have won the argument (by passing the bill) and will have long since moved on to kitchen table issues that are resonating with the voters. Then, if the Republicans can be counted on to continue being the party of "No," they're really going to look like they side with the bigshots when they try to tank Wall St. and banking reforms.

I'm with Axelrod. "Make my day!"

Posted by: abigsam | March 17, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse


Let's see what Tim Cahill, Mass TREASURER has to say about THEIR State UNIVERSAL/NATIONAL/SOCIALIST Health Care System, and what it has done to the Mass economy:


BOSTON — Unenrolled gubernatorial candidate Treasurer Timothy Cahill predicted Tuesday the Country Would Go Bankrupt Within Four Years if President Obama and Congress Follow the Massachusetts Health Care Model, Warning Against Dramatic Access Expansion and suggesting the State Curb Publicly Subsidized Benefits.


Summoning reporters into his capitol office as he lined up with national Republicans as Congress nears a vote on a health care bill, Cahill said the State’s 2006 Health Care Expansion has Wreaked Havoc with the State Budget and blamed Gov. Deval Patrick for "very little if any Oversight."


Pointing to numbers that show Spending on Medicaid and Health Care Reform has boomed from $6.3 billion to 10.4 billion between fiscal 2005 and projected fiscal 2010 figures, Cahill said, "It makes it Very Clear why we're Going Broke In This State."


Patrick aides mobilized quickly to question Cahill’s numbers and defend Patrick’s performance and the program. Patrick spokesman Juan Martinez, in a statement, said Patrick had exhibited “strong management” of health care reform that has led to Massachusetts leading the nation with over 97 percent of residents insured.


Jumping into the Washington debate, Cahill said, “If the Federal Government Does What Massachusetts Has Done, I don’t know Who’s Going To Pay For It, Except The Taxpayers or we’re going to have to Borrow Money from China, as we’ve been doing.”


Cahill said the Commonwealth Health Insurance Connector Authority had "failed," and said the state should do more to promote Competition Among Insurers. He said the state should "Absolutely" consider Reducing Coverage Packages and said he supported changing the state's "Fee-For-Service" Payment Model.


Cahill’s public denunciation of the state’s showpiece health care law establishes him as the highest-ranking state official to side so firmly against it. Bay State Republicans, while publicly questioning the program’s cost, have been loath to break with a law they helped pass, and which then-Gov. Mitt Romney signed with fanfare.


http://www.dailynewstranscript.com/news/x1526467812/Diving-into-health-debate-Cahill-warns-against-Obamacare


And ODumbO wants to place the entire country in this type of fiscal FIASCO waiting to happen. NO WHERE does this type of system work for sustainable periods. It's an INTERGENERATIONAL BASED PYRAMID SCHEME- created to keep Americans forever indebted to it. And the FREELOADERS are the ones crying like sucklings for it.

Posted by: obamaalmighT | March 17, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Even Republicans will have a hard time going to the polls and voting against affordable and accessible health-care. They may be dumb, but they're not crazy.

[Evidently, from reading the comments posted here, there are MANY who ARE crazy, but I don't think that they reflect the majority of Republicans.]

Posted by: JimZ1 | March 17, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans in congress have accepted the fact that health care will pass. The old hands in the House can count the votes whether they are on the Republican or Democratic side and they know Pelosi has gotten the votes. Game over.

Posted by: merrylees | March 17, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Republicans, bought and paid for by the health insurance industry...

Posted by: Gatsby10 | March 17, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I have one thing to say about this. The Republican Party is opposed to Health Care Reform for one reason and one reason only, they are being paid off by the Health Insurance Industry. The Post published the current vote status in the House and also published how much each Congressman was getting from the Health Care industry. Have a look folks, Boener from Ohio got over 2 million dollars from the health insurance industry. Gee, folks what does that tell you???

Posted by: w2bsa | March 17, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, providing modest security for purchasers of health insurance reeks of communism!!!

There are a ton of horses' rears posting here today.

Posted by: megman | March 17, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, great idea. And I guess Obama wouldn't veto such a bill? Why does the media even print stuff like this? Maybe they're lazy and think this sort of posturing/game playing is a story. Why not dig into which insurance / pharma interests have paid what to whom and lay that over voting records and do some reporting?

Posted by: AHappyWarrior | March 17, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, great idea. And I guess Obama wouldn't veto such a bill? Why does the media even print stuff like this? Maybe they're lazy and think this sort of posturing/game playing is a story. Why not dig into which insurance / pharma interests have paid what to whom and lay that over voting records and do some reporting?

Posted by: AHappyWarrior | March 17, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

We NEED to stop this bill NOW!

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Posted by: bbitemee | March 17, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

We NEED to stop this bill NOW!

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Posted by: bbitemee | March 17, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Should we expect anything else from GOP? They seem to be the voice supposedly for the world? It is only what they want and what they desire and tell others to do. They assume people do not have a mind of their own. Why not be a dictatorship? And that is what we are headed for when they change textbooks; increase healthcare and the country drowns in its own tears from listening to all this over conservative crap. They are the voice of morality and real Americans. No one else matters but them. They got us in this mess and continued down the road to no return so, let it all fall in their laps and let's see how much praise they get when the ship goes under.

Posted by: Scar1 | March 17, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Should we expect anything else from GOP? They seem to be the voice supposedly for the world? It is only what they want and what they desire and tell others to do. They assume people do not have a mind of their own. Why not be a dictatorship? And that is what we are headed for when they change textbooks; increase healthcare and the country drowns in its own tears from listening to all this over conservative crap. They are the voice of morality and real Americans. No one else matters but them. They got us in this mess and continued down the road to no return so, let it all fall in their laps and let's see how much praise they get when the ship goes under.

Posted by: Scar1 | March 17, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

We NEED to stop this bill NOW!

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Posted by: bbitemee | March 17, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

We NEED to stop this bill NOW!

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Posted by: bbitemee | March 17, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Kill the bill NOW !!!!

Posted by: SeniorVet | March 17, 2010 2:51 PM

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The article suggests that may be the old bumper sticker. They've started printing the new bumper stickers ... "Repeal the Bill".

Are you like a military veteran with "socialist" VA health care or just an old veterinarian.

Posted by: James10 | March 17, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: sr31

The Communist Obamacare will be either repealed or the US Supreme Court Will Rule
Obamacare is Unconstitutional! And the voters will demand Impeachment of Comrade
Dictator from Kenya Barack Hussein Obama
louder and louder then ever until Congress
is forced to act and Impeach Obama and kick
Nutso Botox Nancy Pelosi,Dingy Harry Reid
and Sleazy Steny Hoyer out of Congress!

Just Say Hell No To Obamacare and Illegal
Alien Amnesty! Vote All Incumbents Out!

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Reading cartoonish comments like the one above makes me worried about the future of this country.It's scary to think that anyone immature enough to post something this stupid & illogical online is actually able to vote.The spirit of Archie Bunker is still alive & well it seems.

Posted by: wma2 | March 17, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Enough, the Republicans need to stop leading thoughtless people who believe everything they hear or see on television to be factual. These poor individuals do not know right from left. Please, it is time to tell the media, and the Republican attack machine to stop. Both entities are dividing this country. The post below written by someone who probably has their shoes on the wrong feet as we speak is evidence that this needs to stop.
This is embarrasing,and it's just one of many ignorant statements on this post.

LISTEN UP ALL YOU LIBERAL MORONS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AT LEAST THOSE WITH BRAINS DON'T WANT THE COMMUNIST HEALTH CARE GARBAGE THAT OBAMA,PELOSI AND OTHER SOCIALIST CO CONSPIRATORS ARE TRYING TO SHOVE DOWN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE'S THROATS.

Posted by: hayjames

Posted by: ejbeautyrama9 | March 17, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Even my neighbor who is a hardcore Republican does not have any problem benefiting from the mortgage loan program advanced by 'socialist' Obama and he doesn't have any problem now with health care (having found out how it would help with his financial burden) too but he still got problems with Obama. He thinks something is deeply wrong with Obama and he just couldn't figure out what it is. I can figure out easily that it is Obama's skin color that is bothering him.

Posted by: nri1998 | March 17, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

When will the McCarthyites come up with a 21st century threat? Aside from a few banana republics, there are no communists. The Chinese are totalitarian capitalists; the Ruskies have billionaires; and Viet Nam is our friend. Why not just invent a new enemy? And repeal the bill? Dream on.

Posted by: Keesvan | March 17, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The Dem leaders are left wing loons. They are destroying the entire party.

Posted by: _buster | March 17, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

And how many state and court challenges will tie this so called health reform up for so many years most will never even see it. States are already creating legislation to exempt their state for one reason or another.

Posted by: gmclain | March 17, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse


Let's see what Tim Cahill, Mass TREASURER has to say about THEIR State UNIVERSAL/NATIONAL/SOCIALIST Health Care System, and what it has done to the Mass economy:


BOSTON — Unenrolled gubernatorial candidate Treasurer Timothy Cahill predicted Tuesday the country would go bankrupt within four years if President Obama and Congress follow the Massachusetts health care model, warning against dramatic access expansion and suggesting the state curb publicly subsidized benefits.


Summoning reporters into his capitol office as he lined up with national Republicans as Congress nears a vote on a health care bill, Cahill said the state’s 2006 health care expansion has wreaked havoc with the state budget and blamed Gov. Deval Patrick for "very little if any oversight."


Pointing to numbers that show spending on Medicaid and health care reform has boomed from $6.3 billion to 10.4 billion between fiscal 2005 and projected fiscal 2010 figures, Cahill said, "It makes it very clear why we're going broke in this state."


Patrick aides mobilized quickly to question Cahill’s numbers and defend Patrick’s performance and the program. Patrick spokesman Juan Martinez, in a statement, said Patrick had exhibited “strong management” of health care reform that has led to Massachusetts leading the nation with over 97 percent of residents insured.


Jumping into the Washington debate, Cahill said, “If the federal government does what Massachusetts has done, I don’t know who’s going to pay for it, except the taxpayers or we’re going to have to borrow money from China, as we’ve been doing.”


Cahill said the Commonwealth Health Insurance Connector Authority had "failed," and said the state should do more to promote Competition Among Insurers. He said the state should "Absolutely" consider Reducing Coverage Packages and said he supported changing the state's "Fee-For-Service" Payment Model.


Cahill’s public denunciation of the state’s showpiece health care law establishes him as the highest-ranking state official to side so firmly against it. Bay State Republicans, while publicly questioning the program’s cost, have been loath to break with a law they helped pass, and which then-Gov. Mitt Romney signed with fanfare.


http://www.dailynewstranscript.com/news/x1526467812/Diving-into-health-debate-Cahill-warns-against-Obamacare


And ODumbO wants to place the entire country in this type of fiscal FIASCO waiting to happen. NO WHERE does this type of system work for sustainable periods. It's an INTERGENERATIONAL BASED PYRAMID SCHEME- created to keep Americans forever indebted to it. And the FREELOADERS are the ones crying like sucklings for it.

Posted by: obamaalmighT | March 17, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

The GOP warmongers, just-say-no'ers, teapartiers, and birthers just do not understand democracy and progressivism. GOPers are for greed, no taxes, no government, and no America. They want a third-world country.

Posted by: EarlC | March 17, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

We're NOT a collective society; we're an individualist society in a collective body of people from different ethnicities, cultures, races, beliefs, and values. There should NOT be cookie-cutter health insurance.

Posted by: obamaalmighT

I have to admit that's the first time I've heard anyone opposed to group health insurance policies.

Posted by: James10 | March 17, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

If the RepubliCANTS think that this bill will be the fall of Democrats, why are they trying so hard to stop it?

Let me guess...it passes....it actaully works...and repuliCANTS gets a tail kicking.

Posted by: BigHustla | March 17, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Democrats are crazed suicide bombers at this point. They are committing political suicide and they know it. But they are bent on leaving a giant stink-bomb behind them called ObamaCare.

A little memento to remember them by.

Posted by: battleground51 | March 17, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Republicans, you had your chance from 96 to 08, and look where it got us. The worst economy in 75 years, a crumbling housing market, increased health care costs, a really expensive unjust war that disgraced us all. And now, someone is trying to actually HELP Americans, and you oppose it. Unless you make millions a year, you are the dumbest sh*t on the planet for voting republican. They go against every possible thing that could actually help most Americans, and now, would rather see Obama fail than American suceed. Some patriotism that is. While I never liked Bush, I never wanted him to fail like he did. That would make everything worse for everyone. I know that's selfish of me to think that way.

Posted by: withoutanet | March 17, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Oh please O please O please ask the Republicans to all sign on to a statement to repeal it.

It makes them look like the children they are - all stomping feet mad and are going to hold their breath until the grown ups do what they want!

Posted by: HillmanDC | March 17, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

The republicans would repeal closing the do nut hole in Part D Medicare and the paid for preventive care? Go ahead make our day GOPERS.

Posted by: jbowen431 | March 17, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

No, the Obamacare repeal issue won't be a big winner in November 2010.

But it could be a HUGE issue for November 2012, when there are more Democratic Senators up for re-election, the TEA Party will have had 2 years to organize the repeal, the economy will be even worse than today, and the pain of Obamacare will be making itself felt.

Posted by: pmendez | March 17, 2010 2:31 PM

Another conservative that shorted the equities markets. Good call.

It's pretty hard to predict what the Tea Party will do. Debra Medina, Tea Party favorite for the Texas Governor race was into 9/11 conspiracies and secession.

Then you've got this Tea Party that wants to repeal the 17th Amendment. Awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCFHMPIz2Tg

Then you've got your American Tea Party Founder Paul Barrett ....

That man wants to abolish the Federal Reserve and you know what he says will happen if we abolish the Fed .... You won't have to pay any more Federal Income Tax ... ever ... not a penny. You know how this clever man expects to run the Federal government 100% printing new money. Praise the Lord. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCFHMPIz2Tg

So many brilliant people in the Tea Parties.

There is one thing I'd agree with, all the Red states can secede and put these tea party people in charge.

Posted by: James10 | March 17, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

It seems quite a few people don't know exactly what communists or socialists are. Naming calling without substance only exposed the weakness of the argument.

We need health care reform and universal health care. Our economy depends on it. This Independent and fiscal conservative fully supports universal health care. The reason why some of us cannot see the need for it is because our public education has failed us. Poor public education made it possible for these people to sign a subprime mortgage agreement. It also sent us into this recession. We need to revamp our public education so it does make sense to combine health care reform bill with student loan bill.

Posted by: dummy4peace | March 17, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

WE'RE NOT CLONES!! WE DON'T LIVE CLONED LIVES!! WE DON'T HAVE CLONED CIRCUMSTANCES!! AND WE SHOULD NOT HAVE CLONED HEALTH INSURANCE!!

Oops, sorry for the caps. Just looked up and saw them and corrected.

We're NOT a collective society; we're an individualist society in a collective body of people from different ethnicities, cultures, races, beliefs, and values. There should NOT be cookie-cutter health insurance.

We The People are NOT STEPFORD CITIZENS,, and we will NOT be treated as such. There are people who are willing to work to get theirs, instead of waiting like whelping pups for handouts from the government!!!!!

Those that want to be controlled by the government, then give it to the pups. But leave the rest of the GROWN FOLK alone to handle their OWN AFFAIRS!! Just regulate the insurance companies like you're supposed to. Oh. Wait- you can't do that, can you?

Posted by: obamaalmighT | March 17, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

These Republicans are so smart, how did they lose the majority? Oh, I remember, it was these same tricks and games. Plus the overspending, irresponsible tax cuts, unfunded wars, corruption, deregulation to the point of economic collapse, and lying, cheating and stealing.

Can they repeal that? Oh, I remember, the voters did when they kicked them out of office.

Posted by: NewThoughts | March 17, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

MAKE MY FREAKIN' DAY

An ENTIRE election based on republicans promising to INCREASE the donut hole and putting the pre-existing condition rule BACK on voters?

PLEASE do that.

I'm a Democrat and I will send you a check if you do.

Posted by: lpeter59 | March 17, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

So even if the GOP is successful at the polls to hypothetically repeal the bill in the future: what is the GOP alternative to fix the health care system and provide reform?

All they have voiced so far is: 1) do nothing about the health care system or 2) ???

Posted by: jlm062002 | March 17, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is now basically anti-American. For all their hate and smear campaigns, this party of privilege has done NOTHING for this country since Eisenhower.

Posted by: EdSantaFe | March 17, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Hard to see congress repealing it but would probably be retracted through an omnibus executive action. Probably along with the folding of EPA as well. Obamatrons jumping up and down to defend this insurance monopoly act, which is a state-mandated business model, and calling it healthcare betrays their intellectual depth and emotional maturity. They're just ripe for a pied piper to lead them off a cliff.

Posted by: NoWeCant | March 17, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Hard to see congress repealing it but would probably be retracted through an omnibus executive action. Probably along with the folding of EPA as well. Obamatrons jumping up and down to defend this insurance monopoly act, which is a state-mandated business model, and calling it healthcare betrays their intellectual depth and emotional maturity. They're just ripe for a pied pier to lead them off a cliff.

Posted by: NoWeCant | March 17, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"When it comes to health care and insurance, once reform passes, the tangible benefits Americans will realize will trump the fear-mongering rhetoric opponents are stoking today," Obama pollster Joel Benenson wrote in a recent piece in The Post.
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WHAT TANGIBLE BENEFITS??? We'll be paying for four years before we see any "tangible". Yeah, something's will come into effect IN SIX MONTHS (although we would be taxed IMMEDIATELY IF it becomes law), such as; 26yr age limit to stay on parent's ins; ceasing of denying for pre-existing conditions (this only means as IF the day that this crap become, that will be the date the ins co HAS to stop this practice; NOT the day you can USE your benefits).

This is why the shyster continues to neglect to tell the people that they will not get to use their ins for years, but they have to start paying immediately; because he knows for SURE his bill will not pass. He has people thinking they'll get their Ins Card, and can go out the next day to their PCP.

Why don't you look things up for yourselves, and see the lies? No one is looking this up, or they'd be more people against this jenkem. NO ONE wants LAY AWAY HEALTH INS..........


http://www.northstarnational.com/2009/12/21/obamacare-taxes-start-now-benefits-2014-ok-stash-money-wait-spend-it-you/

Posted by: obamaalmighT | March 17, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Notice how the G.O.P. and conservative talking heads are very liberal about giving advice to the Dems on how to get elected in November i.e. vote against the bill? If they really thought the bill was a bad idea wouldn't they let, and even encourgage, the Dems to go ahead and implode? Now they are talking about repealing the law (good luck). What I DON'T hear is any G.O.P. ideas on health care reform.

Posted by: thomgr | March 17, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"When it comes to health care and insurance, once reform passes, the tangible benefits Americans will realize will trump the fear-mongering rhetoric opponents are stoking today," Obama pollster Joel Benenson wrote in a recent piece in The Post.
*************************************

WHAT TANGIBLE BENEFITS??? We'll be paying for four years before we see any "tangible". Yeah, something's will come into effect IN SIX MONTHS (although we would be taxed IMMEDIATELY IF it becomes law), such as; 26yr age limit to stay on parent's ins; ceasing of denying for pre-existing conditions (this only means as IF the day that this crap become, that will be the date the ins co HAS to stop this practice; NOT the day you can USE your benefits).

This is why the shyster continues to neglect to tell the people that they will not get to use their ins for years, but they have to start paying immediately; because he knows for SURE his bill will not pass. He has people thinking they'll get their Ins Card, and can go out the next day to their PCP.

Why don't you look things up for yourselves, and see the lies? No one is looking this up, or they'd be more people against this jenkem. NO ONE wants LAY AWAY HEALTH INS..........


http://www.northstarnational.com/2009/12/21/obamacare-taxes-start-now-benefits-2014-ok-stash-money-wait-spend-it-you/

Posted by: obamaalmighT | March 17, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The GOPers are sooo pathetic. So grounded in the wrong side of the Civil Rights' Movement. Let's just be straight up. What's next the water fountain signs?

Posted by: Genefox1 | March 17, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

A repeal sounds appropriate, that and public censure of Pelosi and Reid.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | March 17, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone out there, other than the wingnuts spewing vitriol, get a feeling all this BS over healthcare is nothing more than the usual politics of DC?

We surely hear a lot of comments about the anger of the electorate, the principled stand taken by Republicans seeking to prevent a "government takeover" of healthcare, and the principled stand of the Democrats seeking to lower costs and make healthcare affordable and accessible by all. Yet, you could not find a principled member of either party that is speaking in reasoned and level tones about the problem. The only people with less principle than the politicians are the wingnuts. Trying to find a principled person among all of them together is more difficult than looking for one person serving in Congress or the Senate that turns down a lobbyist's money.

We have paid these people and their staffs for fourteen months to do absolutely nothing. We should all just shut up, and come next November, no matter your ideology or your party, vote against the incumbent in your Congressional and Senate elections, and in 2012 and 2016 vote against the incumbent in the White House. If we all made a bargain to do so, and kept it, we would see progress in DC come 2018.

Posted by: kermit5 | March 17, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

To karen Kay and Parasite...Are you the two dumbest human beings in America? Is it a prerequisite to being a right wing, loonie Teabagger that you have to be an idiot? And somehow you think your slimy diatribes should be taken seriously? Why not join the evangelicals and buy the big ticket now if you want out so badly? That would save health care a bundle! Just say bye bye and disappear off the planet.. NO ONE would care. Not even your teabag hypocrite party. You are an embarrassment to all educated and compassionate Americans. Either learn about the issues or leave. Need help? There's a hotline available.

Posted by: tutnyc | March 17, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is way out of touch with Americans. If they can't win a fair arguement they use the "fear and smear" method. Conservatives in the party need to take a fresh look at who runs the show now. Ask yourself, do you make millions of dollars and own a corporation? If not, you are not part of their club. Women, minorities and many other individuals and groups are not part of their "elite" club. Those who resort to name calling, lying, cheating, and stealing are all part of the bully mentality. Corporate-run PAC groups like Freedom Works and Keep America Safe are fronts for the insurance, drug, energy, military, Chamber of Commerce and Big Agriculture groups. They aren't behind small business, senior citizens, individual rights, health reform, or any other effort to help American citizens. Don't forget these are the folks who sent jobs overseas, lied us into two wars, killed education, outed CIA agents, tortured prisoners, gave away our natural resources and so much more.

NO, I DON'T THINK WE WANT MORE GOP POWER. Thanks but no thanks.

Posted by: Justice4all5 | March 17, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Go ahead and run on repealing it, that will make a lot of sense. Align yourselves with companies like Anthem and pre-excisting conditions. Even the Republicans aren't that dumb.

American's are not disgusted with the issue of health care reform. We are disgusted with the PROCESS, it's unseamliness and hopeless dysfunctionality. We would prefer that the priority to be jobs. The frustrations wirth healthcare has less to do with healthcare per se and more to do prioritization.

Posted by: BaltimoreCotls59 | March 17, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Repeal it? Yeah, good luck with that one.

Posted by: clampson | March 17, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Good point, js_edit. And by keeping them on their parents' HC, it probably avoids having to subsidize them buying their own care.

Posted by: Fletch_F_Fletch | March 17, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

The Communist Obamacare will be either repealed or the US Supreme Court Will Rule
Obamacare is Unconstitutional! And the voters will demand Impeachment of Comrade
Dictator from Kenya Barack Hussein Obama
louder and louder then ever until Congress
is forced to act and Impeach Obama and kick
Nutso Botox Nancy Pelosi,Dingy Harry Reid
and Sleazy Steny Hoyer out of Congress!

Just Say Hell No To Obamacare and Illegal
Alien Amnesty! Vote All Incumbents Out!

-----------------------------------

LOL :)

Posted by: sr31 | March 17, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Republicans do run in November on repealing the health care bill that will pass. Today's headline in the business section of my paper was "Health-coverage costs hit middle class". As noted in the article uninsured middle-income Arizonans jumped by nearly 27% from 2000 to 2008. This loss was on the Republicans watch. Republicans are living on another planet if they don't think Americans want changes to our health care system.

Posted by: rclab | March 17, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Note: by "retarded", I don't mean people with disabilities. I mean idiots raised by idiots like yourself.

Posted by: jewishmother | March 17, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Sign the bill, Now!!!

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | March 17, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

It is not and never will be a Socialist Health Care policy; I receive all of my medical care at the VA - much like this proposed healthcare plan - and it certainly is not a socialist plan. Some of you so hate the President, his policies, Democrats because of your radical Fundamentalist beliefs and ways, that you cannot see the need and strength of this proposed and soon to be healthcare plan. Probably also says that many of you complaining have in place already a very good medical plan ...for now.

Posted by: davidmswyahoocom | March 17, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

obamaalmighT wrote: Dear Mr. Pwesident, OOO me, me, me. Pwease feed me Big Bwuva. Pwease control my life Big Bwuva. I don't like making decisions for myself..."
_________________________________

Grow up already! Big corporations and inheritance puppies like you have made out like bandits in the last 200 years. Nobody wants to manage your pitiful life. We just want to regulate your arse, so that you don't continue to rob those of us who actually work so you may leave millions for your retarded kids.

Posted by: jewishmother | March 17, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

i don't know what the lunatic fringe that populates these comments really think they're doing, lets play a game. my boss has offered a small raise to those that get off his insurance plan because it is so expensive, now that the heath care is so politicized and if the democrats fail what happens to the 55-60 per cent that want this legislation, think they might just call up aetna and say screw you and what happens to the teabag trash when their premiums shoot up 65%. think ticky dick armney is gonna get you a rebate? just think of the great news forty thousand dead each year for no adequate health care and how many will be the teabag trash? how many old hillbillies will die each year just to spite the socialist obama. i offer a solution to our mess, anyone and everyone call your insurance provider, today, drop your insurance now. your not going to get sick this month nor even this year but you can vote this very instant for the public option or whatever you deem acceptable. drop the pool to nothing but sick people and the crisis that ensues will be magic. and just think of the hillbilly and his awe struck stupidity when the notice arrives informing him of his new rate, priceless. drop your insurance today, the nation depends on it.

Posted by: trjohnson8890122 | March 17, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing just how much people here (on both sides of the aisle) just don't get it. The only measure you ultimately see is electoral success. On the right you hear "Obama and the Democrats will pay" on the left you hear "It will be so successful, Republicans will pay." As if all that matters in the real world is whether one set of jokers or another gets elected...

What is being missed here is that health care is a game changer. If Obama gets this through, even if he loses his next election, he will join the Franklin Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson and Ronald Reagan as the only modern presidents to actually get a major legislative victory. Tearing down people is easy (as the Republicans of today and the Democrats of the Bush-era are proving)... building something up is the mark of greatness (and there is nothing that the tea party and other little people can do to take that away).

Public service, as contrasted to politics (apparently the sole concern of the Fix and its readers), is about getting things done. If this gets through, Obama got it done... not to mention, what everybody really seems to be neglecting, that when he took office we were seriously considering what life would look like after the total collapse of the economy (ours and the world's). Now he is getting zinged because unemployment was worse than he thought and is not improving fast enough.

The Democrats can "lose" in November and Obama can "lose" in 2012. Is that really so bad? After all they are well on the way to having done their job of pulling this country back from the brink and putting it back on the right path. If short-sighted and easily led voters punish them for making tough decisions, so be it. Last I checked, they will still have healthy pensions.

Posted by: orgbluspider | March 17, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Kill the bill NOW !!!!

Posted by: SeniorVet | March 17, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

WaPo-- focus on the news--the imminent passage of the bill and what it means to The People. Stop fueling hysteria in an effort to pull an audience to your rag.

Posted by: Towards_Light | March 17, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

LISTEN UP ALL YOU LIBERAL MORONS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AT LEAST THOSE WITH BRAINS DON'T WANT THE COMMUNIST HEALTH CARE GARBAGE THAT OBAMA,PELOSI AND OTHER SOCIALIST CO CONSPIRATORS ARE TRYING TO SHOVE DOWN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE'S THROATS.

Posted by: hayjames | March 17, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Wash Post Wrote: "Even as House Democrats search for votes, dozens of Republicans sign a pledge to back an effort to repeal reform legislation."

And to add to that Millions of voters plan on voting out any person that backs this overbloated irresponsible so called Health Care Bill.

We can't afford it, and none of the lies that Obama, Pelosi, or Reid tell make it any better than the flim flam that it is.

Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, are a complete DISGRACE.

Posted by: ignoranceisbliss | March 17, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

js_edit wrote: "Wow...this "repeal" screeching is just pissing in the wind."
__________________
Or farting in the bushes.

Posted by: jewishmother | March 17, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

This is encouraging news. The GOP is already throwing in the towel on game 1?

Is this as good as the GOP pledge to get rid of the Department of Education? That was a good one. How about the "Constitutional" line item veto? And then there was the Constitutional amendment to ban flag burning and let's not forget the Constitutional amendment for term limits.

Posted by: James10 | March 17, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I see the government whelping puppies are out in force today, wubbing their wittle paws in anticipation of government handouts!

Dear Mr. Pwesident,

OOO me, me, me. Pwease feed me Big Bwuva. Pwease control my life Big Bwuva. I don't like making decisions for myself, Big Bwuva; so pwease regulate eweything for me so I don't have to think for myself. I'll gwadly be your wittle wombat. Pwease take care of me.

Signed,
A Wittle Parasite

Posted by: obamaalmighT | March 17, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

This is a net zero initiative. They will certainly keep the current super-red seats held by republicans with this move. But those people would not elect a democrat anyway.

Republicans in the congress have totally abandoned their responsibilities as elected officials and chosen to go after Obama instead. The media will not call them out on it, because they are the lapdogs of big media which, to a great measure, elect our politicans.

Posted by: jewishmother | March 17, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

GREAT Lable

Republican
the Party
of
STOP and REVERSE
of

But they are also
the Party of Greed
the Party of No
the Party of Hipocracy.

Did you know the GOP almost prevented the USA from entering WW2 after Hitler declared War on the USA??

Go look it up!!

Fei Hu

Posted by: Fei_Hu | March 17, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Typical GOP maneuver. If it benefits the average American,forget it. They have found out that their "death squads" and "pulling the plug on grandma",blatant lies,haven't worked. The insurance companies must be disappointed in the Obsructionists because they couldn't stop common sense from reigning among the fed up American electorate.

Posted by: walkman1956 | March 17, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

If forcing young, healthy people to buy HC is a preferred way to lower HC costs for older, more infirm people, why allow 22-26 year olds (post-college grads) to remain on their parents' HC? Why not force them "into the pool"? This seems inconsistent.

Posted by: Fletch_F_Fletch

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Um, if they're on their parents' insurance, they are in the pool. Just like I'm in the pool whether or not I buy my own insurance, or get it through my employer. Doesn't matter who pays for it, if you have insurance, you're in the pool.

Posted by: js_edit | March 17, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

No Bill, No one has read it, No CBO score, no vote on it - yet Pelosi says "we're gonna pass this thing!"

Posted by: pgr88 | March 17, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Wow...this "repeal" screeching is starting to sound just like the "impeach" screeching we heard periodically during the Bush years.

And it will amount to just as much. Pissing in the wind.

Posted by: js_edit | March 17, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

President Obama will veto any "repeal" bill. Yet, how could the Republic Party get repeal through without 60 votes? (wink wink)

Posted by: mongolovesheriff | March 17, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

IF THE DEMOCRAT'S DEVIOUS HEALTH CARE LEGISLATION PASSES THAN OBAMA AND THE LEADERS IN CONGRESS SHOULD BY ALL RIGHTS BE IMPEACHED FOR THEIR HIGH CRIMES AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE NATION WHICH IS JUST ONE OF THEIR STEPS IN BRINGING THIS COUNTRY TO UTTER DESTRUCTION.REMEMBER THESE PEOPLE ARE WITH OUR ENEMIES WHO ALSO HATES THIS COUNTRY AND IT'S PEOPLE.

Posted by: hayjames | March 17, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

COWENS99:
"Healthcare reform will pass ,and will be embraced by the American people." It may pass, and by the way it's written, citizens wuld have no say in anything, so obviously, they will have to accept it. Not as easily as you think.

"Remember, we listened to Ronald Reagan in 1964 demeaning Medicare, and advising it would ruin America. That was a lie."
YES. He was right! Medicare, Social Security, Welfare, et al, have destroyed America! These programs were political tools to break the willpower of Americans. They have largely succeeded, thus you.

"My Republican neighbor is now in favor of the health care bill. His daughter is at the age where she will not be eligible for his health care, and his monthly health care bill increased 21%. " So your neighbor is a Rino and lies to himself? Does his daughter work, or is she a "taker", just like you?

No country that initiated national health care has every reversed that legislation." You're right! Various dictators, vicious rulers, and accompanying socialist-communist regimes have over time, reduced the people into mindless, quivering jellyfish, with no perspective on individual thought. Such person's aren't even capable of thinking beyond the centuries of mind bending they were forced into. Take a look around the world. Are any of these plebes better off?

"Each year as health care (like Social Security & Medicare) is refined to make life better for all Americans, the Republicans lies and hypes will look more ridiculous as time goes on." Better life? Getting things without working for them...makes you appreciate them moreso? Friend, you need help.

We cannot survive as the number one country in the world , if the Republicans want to be the party of "STOP & REVERSE" We are the greatest, at heart. Americans will come around, unfortunately, after most of this damaging legislation goes into effect. Violation and destruction of the Constitution are the only logical reason for this path.

Posted by: Fight_till_the_end | March 17, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

It will be fun to watch Republicans work for the appeal of a bill that has already given people the right to buy insurance though they have pre-existing conditions, as well as a bill that makes it possible for millions to get health care insurance who have not had it before, as well as bill that covers all the children cut out of Medicaid coverage the last few years.

I heard that when Medicaid was passed, the GOP tried to tank it and then repeal it and those covered simply rebelled.

Try changing Medicare now, and see how long you stay in office.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | March 17, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

If forcing young, healthy people to buy HC is a preferred way to lower HC costs for older, more infirm people, why allow 22-26 year olds (post-college grads) to remain on their parents' HC? Why not force them "into the pool"? This seems inconsistent.

Posted by: Fletch_F_Fletch | March 17, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait for a GOP'er majority. Just saying no and obstructing seems to be a lot of fun.

Posted by: swatkins1 | March 17, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Even Republicans will have a hard time going to the polls and voting against affordable and accessible health-care. They may be dumb, but they're not crazy.

Posted by: JimZ1 | March 17, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

If Republicans want to repeal the new healthcare bill, they would have to GAIN 19 seats in November to acquire a filibuster-proof majority. Possible? Nope. By the time Republicans get a filibuster-proof majority, too many Americans would be invested in the new healthcare.

Posted by: BasicInstinct | March 17, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

The Middle Class in America is their One Holy Milch Cow and they are intensely and passionately jealous about someone else milking it or keeping it off their grazing fields.

Posted by: mdsubramonia | March 17, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Please GEEOHPEE! Please run on this winning strategery. Campaigning on guaranteeing to pull the healthcare benefits of tens of millions of people will be oh so happy to vote for your opponent.

Please run on this tactic. Oh pretty pretty please.

Posted by: dcp26851 | March 17, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

No, the Obamacare repeal issue won't be a big winner in November 2010.

But it could be a HUGE issue for November 2012, when there are more Democratic Senators up for re-election, the TEA Party will have had 2 years to organize the repeal, the economy will be even worse than today, and the pain of Obamacare will be making itself felt.

Posted by: pmendez | March 17, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Republicans will not win. Every one wants this health care but republicans.

What pole have you been looking at?????
Get your head out of the sand and look around you.

Posted by: edenn1 | March 17, 2010 2:27 PM
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edenn1...........this pole.......I mean poll:

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 43% favor the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats, while 53% oppose it.

Posted by: allenridge | March 17, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

This Unconctitutional bill is Treason against The United States Of America.Recall anyone that votes yes right along with the repeal

Posted by: Imarkex | March 17, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

You can huff and you can puff, but you will not blow this house down.

Why not?

You don't have the votes or the facts on your side.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | March 17, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse


Obama Declares He Will Rule by Authoritarian Decree


http://www.resistnet.com/forum/topics/obama-declares-he-will-rule-by

Posted by: AJAX2 | March 17, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

There is a stark divide in thos country.

Between Big Business and the middle-class and small businesses.

In terms of money power and mass media support, the former is at a 75% to 25% advantage.

In terms of public support in therms of percentage of the population, the latter is at a 63--64% to 31% advantage.

Since, democracy is governance by the will of the people, the latter leads in getting major milestones achieved. The former, much to its chagrin is now reduced to making shriller and shriller noises.

I understand precisely why they call the 'wailing walls', the 'wailing walls'.

Can't help laughing at the anger these guys whip up in their mad frenzy.

Posted by: mdsubramonia | March 17, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Where is the story in the Post about Obama's lie about Canfield? another example of the false push toward heath care. You better read the bill before the are for it. see below

CLEVELAND (AP) — A woman championed as the Obama administration's emblem for health care reform does not have to choose between her home and her health, according to officials at the Ohio hospital where she is being treated.

With a self-reported annual income of about $6,000, Natoma Canfield is a prime candidate for financial aid in the form of Medicaid — the federal health care program for low-income and disabled people — or charitable assistance.

And the Cleveland Clinic said it has no intention of putting out a lien on Canfield's house — or letting the billing process interfere with her treatment.

Posted by: tonyjm | March 17, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

If the Republicans are going to repeal all the laws that the Democrats passed over the years without Republicant approval, then the Democrats should repeal all the laws that the Republicants passed over the years without Democrat approval. The Libertarians will like this because then most of the laws that have been passed since 1776 will be repealed.

Posted by: foofoofoo | March 17, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA UPSIDE DOWN IN GALLUP; NOW MORE DISAPPROVE

........Yeah and the left-wing Washington POST along with ABC News are the ONLY MSM wolfpack members to still show Obama above 50%...............COOKING anyone?

Posted by: allenridge | March 17, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

You can huff and you can puff, but you will not blow this house down.

Why not?

You don't have the votes or thhe facts on your side.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | March 17, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

If this were about health care for all Iraqis, the GOP would be all in.

We Americans are the ones who pay the bills in this country, and yet the GOP can't even stand for us to be kept healthy.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

These GOPers who are railing against the American People need to be impeached.

Who the hell do they think they work for, the insurance and drug companies (oh that's right, that IS who they're working for).

Posted by: lindalovejones | March 17, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Republicans will not win. Every one wants this health care but republicans.

What pole have you been looking at?????
Get your head out of the sand and look around you.

Posted by: edenn1 | March 17, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is putting the cart before the horse.

The looney left doesn't have the votes - and never did.

If they did - they would vote.

They realize that this is a no-go and they are looking for ways to write off their majority's failure to get the nutroots shopping list done.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | March 17, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

terje1 wrote>>>They currently are only 41 Republican Senators -- no matter how many additional seats they pick up this election, they will have a long way to go to get to a filibuster-proof margin for repeal.

Good point!

Posted by: angie12106 | March 17, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

When it comes to health care and insurance, once reform passes, the tangible benefits Americans will realize will trump the fear-mongering rhetoric opponents are stoking today," Obama pollster Joel Benenson wrote in a recent piece in The Post. "And when that reality kicks in, the political burden will shift... there is every reason to believe that for Republicans, the negative consequences will be their own."

Posted by: solid3 | March 17, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

IMPEACH Obama and his comrades! They are trampling on our Constitution, destroying our health care, our economy, our future, and our country, and forcing socialism/Marxism on us through scams like Obamacare and cap and trade.

The sooner we IMPEACH Obama and his comrades, the easier it will be for us to protect and restore our country, our freedoms, our prosperity and our future.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | March 17, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Republicans will not win. Every one wants this health care but republicans.

Posted by: cell23 | March 17, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The stench of corruption, back door deals, underhanded and sleazy ramming through of bills is going to cost the Democrats dearly in November and 2012. Obama is a lame duck at this point. If this bill is rammed through with political shenanigans with the Nation watching it will leave voters waiting for the opportunity in November and 2012 to run these sleazy, deaf elitists out of office.

They had better enjoy their remaining time in office, November is not far away and the voters are coming for them.

Posted by: Bubbette1 | March 17, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Will the Republicans at least do ONE lousy thing to help this country out? Like contact their proctologists to arrange for a brain scan. What a bunch of terminally greedy, corporate-butt-kissing little weasels. REWARD THE RICH, PUNISH THE POOR - VOTE REPUBLICAN!!!

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | March 17, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Repeal?

What political universe do these folks live in?

You can ignore the likelihood that it will turn out to be popular and that any effort to repeal will be opposed by a population that likes the end of pre-existing conditions exclusions, greater regulation of insurance companies' worst excesses, subsidies to help pay for coverage, etc.

But there are few basic facts that they can't ignore.

Do they really think that (given how they have turned the filibuster into a routine requirement) that they will be able to muster 60 votes in the Senate to repeal the legislation? They currently are only 41 Republican Senators -- no matter how many additional seats they pick up this election, they will have a long way to go to get to a filibuster-proof margin for repeal.

Even more importantly, President Obama will still be president until at least January 2013 (and probably January 2017). He will have the power to veto any repeal bill that would be sent to his desk. In order to override a Presidential veto health care opponents would have to win 2/3rds votes in both the House and Senate -- a political impossibility.

There is no political path to repeal ... so this movement is nothing more than opportunistic throwing of red-meat to the far right by Republican politicians who know full well that it is impossible to accomplish.

The legislation will be passed and signed into law, it will prove to be surprisingly popular, Republicans will pay a long term political price for opposing it, and it will not be repealed.

Posted by: terje1 | March 17, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

yamamah wrote: There are many other deserving but unkind comments I can make about the headless GOP . . . and other choice words . . .

Keep it up . . . keep up the personal attacks that way you won't have to talk about substance!

Posted by: reddog19621 | March 17, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

President Obama and the Democrats will win on this and the Republicans will lose. End of story.

Posted by: andrewgerst@hotmail.com | March 17, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

oh, KarenKay honey, you really need to push your happy hour drinking back to a reasonable time -say, starting around 5:30pm, 6-ish?

Posted by: LABC | March 17, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The mandate is not obviously constitutional, but whatever. this bill will not reduce premiums or control costs. the rhetoric does not match the reality of the legislation.

I fully expect the republicans to cut the subsidies and leave the mandate in place. an easily foreseeable worst case scenario that seems to constantly be ignored.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | March 17, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

The Health Care bill will remain law despite Gooper attemps at repeal. Thirty million newly insured alone shall atest to that.

There are many other deserving but unkind comments I can make about the headless GOP; why repeat the obvious. btw: If Republicans have an entry in a one dog race, their animal will stop before the finish line and bite itself on the ass and on other objects in close proximity.

Posted by: yamamah | March 17, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Repeal might be vetoed, but if Republicans win a majority in both Houses, un-funding the bill (by then, law) will be possible through reconciliation. All they'll have to do is attach a budget line un-funding the bill to the annual omnibus appropriations bill, reconcile, and leave Obama, Pelosi & Co. to sign/pass it or turn the government off. Being responsible for shutting down the federal government got the Republicans in trouble once, and the Democrats haven't forgotten that the people didn't care about right or wrong, just that everything stopped.

Posted by: dryrunfarm1 | March 17, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

KarenKay: make up your mind on what Obama is. He can't be a communist Nazi dictator.

Those who neglect history to advance their agenda of racial hatred are really pathetic.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | March 17, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

John1263 wrote:

Declaring things unconstitutional when they clearly are not, claiming that we should impeach a president who has done everything in his power to save the US after a decade of conservative negligence -- funny funny stuff.


What Constitution are you reading - The former Soviet Union? Here's what it says!

Article 1, Section 7: Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States . . . in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered . . .

Read it and weep . . .

Posted by: reddog19621 | March 17, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Health .care reform will pass ,and wil be embraced by the American people. Remember, we listened to Ronald Reagan in 1964 demeaning Medicare, and advising it would ruin America. That was a lie.

My Republican neighbor is now in favor of the health care bill. His daughter is at the age where she will not be eligible for his health care, and his monthly health care bill increased 21%.

No country that initiated national health care has every reversed that legislation. The Republican party will not be rewarded in Novemeber for being obstructionist and the party of "NO".

Each year as health care (like Social Security & Medicare) is refined to make life better for all Americans, the Republicans lies and hypes will look more ridiculous as time goes on.

We cannot survive as the number one country in the world , if the Republicans want to be the party of "STOP & REVERSE"

Posted by: COWENS99 | March 17, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Love the birther outrage. Funny stuff.

Declaring things unconstitutional when they clearly are not, claiming that we should impeach a president who has done everything in his power to save the US after a decade of conservative negligence -- funny funny stuff.

Posted by: John1263 | March 17, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

They'll have to wait until 2017 at the earliest. Any attempt will be pronmptly vetoed by President Obama, so until he leaves office repeal is a nonstarter.

Unless they can get a 2/3 majority in both Houses to overturn a law that both houses will pass by week's end.

Posted by: John1263 | March 17, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

That's really terrific. Could moveon perhaps start a campaign asking Republicans to please sign that pledge? Health care opponents will have a lot of explaining to do in November. I am really looking forward to seeing the Republicans fumbling to make it intelligible to their constituents why they had to gang up around the insurance industry to make sure they can cancel your coverage once you get sick.

Posted by: opinionpieces | March 17, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Stop these Politburo guys now or break their backs in November, either way we have to stop these freeloaders from turning this country into a nanny state.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 17, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

The Communist Obamacare will be either repealed or the US Supreme Court Will Rule
Obamacare is Unconstitutional! And the voters will demand Impeachment of Comrade
Dictator from Kenya Barack Hussein Obama
louder and louder then ever until Congress
is forced to act and Impeach Obama and kick
Nutso Botox Nancy Pelosi,Dingy Harry Reid
and Sleazy Steny Hoyer out of Congress!

Just Say Hell No To Obamacare and Illegal
Alien Amnesty! Vote All Incumbents Out!

Posted by: KarenKay2009 | March 17, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

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