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Health-care reform's road map through the House

Updated 5:02 p.m.
By Ben Pershing
The health-care reform bill embarks on its final journey through the House this week, beginning Monday at the Budget Committee and ending, supporters hope, with a vote on final passage on the House floor by the weekend.

Though some elements of Democrats' procedural strategy have yet to be decided, the basic plan is clear: The House will approve the same reform bill that was passed by the Senate in December and will vote on a package of amendments -- dubbed the "reconciliation bill" after the budgetary process that will be used to create it -- that would then need to be passed by the Senate.

Here is the three-step process expected to unfold this week:

Step 1 (Monday)

The House Budget Committee got the ball rolling Monday by approving, on a 21 to 16 vote, the reconciliation bill.

But that vote wasn't on the actual changes to the health-care bill that Democrats want to make. Instead, the committee voted on what's known as a "shell bill" -- a measure whose contents will be erased later in the process and replaced with the guts of a new bill. Why? Because under the instructions written into last year's budget, the reconciliation process must use a measure written no later than Oct. 15, 2009.

The Budget Committee is now considering a series of "motions to instruct" the Rules Committee -- legislative recommendations from Republicans and Democrats that are totally symbolic and nonbinding, but can be used to score political points.

After the Budget Committee approves the reconciliation measure, the Rules Committee must wait at least two days before it takes up the bill, technically so members have time to review it.

Step 2 (Wednesday/Thursday)

Once the requisite two days have passed, the House Rules Committee begins the real work of creating the reconciliation bill.

That panel -- on which Democrats have a 9 to 4 membership advantage -- will swap out the old reconciliation language sent by the Budget Committee, substituting the actual amendments that have been crafted in consultation with Democratic leaders, chairmen and the White House.

The committee will also write a rule setting the terms of debate, likely choosing one of two options.

The first option would be to have a vote on the rule, then a vote on the original Senate bill and then a vote on the reconciliation bill.

The second option -- dubbed the "Slaughter solution" after Rules Committee Chairman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) -- would use what's called a "self-executing rule," under which the House would "deem" the original Senate bill passed after the House votes on the rule for debate.

In other words, the House could pass the original Senate bill without lawmakers actually taking a stand-alone vote on it. Then the House would vote on the reconciliation measure.

Under either option, the House is also likely to vote on a Republican "motion to recommit" on the reconciliation measure, which would represent the GOP's proposal for a substitute bill.

Step 3 (Friday/Saturday/Sunday?)

The House votes, following one of the two scenarios explained above. If the Senate bill passes (or is "deemed" passed by the House), then it goes to President Obama for his signature, regardless of what happens with the reconciliation bill.

If the reconciliation measure passes the House, then it goes to the Senate for a vote as early as next week. That chamber could pass the reconciliation bill as is, or it could amend the measure, sending it back to the House again.

By Ben Pershing  |  March 15, 2010; 4:18 PM ET
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Posted by: carlapattonFreedomJournal | March 16, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Submit a Joke

Believe it or not, we'll pay $100-$300 if you make us chuckle! Just send us your hilarious joke or anecdote, and if we publish it in Reader's Digest, you'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

For instance, do you really have to wait four years for your free colonoscopy after having Pelosi shove this bill up your butt? No, you can move to France. Ha,ha,ha,ha!

Posted by: deeman | March 16, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Natoma Canfield, the cancer-stricken woman who has become a centerpiece of President Obama's push for health care reform, will not lose her home over her medical bills and will probably qualify for financial aid, a top official at the Cleveland medical center treating her said.
Though Canfield's sister Connie Anderson said her sibling is afraid she'll lose her house and Obama warned at an Ohio rally Monday that the patient is "racked with worry" about the cost of tests and treatment, she is already being screened for financial help.

Lyman Sornberger, executive director of patient financial services at the Cleveland Clinic, said "all indications" at the outset are that she will be considered for assistance.

"She may be eligible for state Medicaid"

Posted by: Steve681 | March 16, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

President Obama and Democrats should be commended for trying to fulfill their campaign promise to reform healthcare. Stay strong Democrats!

Posted by: wa2005 | March 16, 2010 4:55

Obama and the Democrats will pay a price for passing a bill the majority of the country does not want in a UN orthodox manner. The country wants health care reform. They do not want this bill.

Posted by: Steve681 | March 16, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Is that so? Didn't Rasmussen predict that McCain would win the election? Rasmussen is to polling what Fox is to News. You get the picture.

Posted by: Richard18 | March 15, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

No they predicted Obama would win.

Posted by: Steve681 | March 16, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

President Obama and Democrats should be commended for trying to fulfill their campaign promise to reform healthcare. Stay strong Democrats!

Posted by: wa2005 | March 16, 2010 4:55 AM | Report abuse

The Obama administration and Democrats need to be commended for trying to fulfil their campaign promise to reform healthcare. Stay strong Democrats.

Posted by: wa2005 | March 16, 2010 4:52 AM | Report abuse

Pass health care reform NOW. Insurance companies regularly kill people for money. We need to take the power AWAY from these greedy, loathsome companies and give it back to the people. Give the CUSTOMERS the power and the information to make better choices. Standardize. Streamline. Subsidize. This bill is far from perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than the conservative plan (that being: "scream at the top of your lungs until nothing is accomplished"), and once this reform has become law, we can start talking about a public option.

PASS IT NOW.

Posted by: bc54321 | March 16, 2010 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Open letter to all members of Congress re Obamacare

Your position and that of the sitting members of congress will not rise unscathed from the support of Obamacare. Support of this issue is a direct usurpation of the powers authorized to congress under the Constitution of the United States of America. In supporting it you violate the trust that has been placed in you by the citizens that you represent. In support of this issue you show gross disregard for the men and women that have fought and died for the words and principles of the Constitution over the entire history of this nation.

Why are you trying to destroy the United States of America by flagrantly supporting legislation that is in direct opposition to the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution? Two other instances of such activity by the federal government were FDR’s Social Security and LBJ’s Medicare. Both are in trouble while you are attempting to add to the entitlement problems.

My home state of Massachusetts had the right idea of health care administered by the state, but its progressive implementation is driving the state into financial distress due to the rising costs of maintaining the system.

Our national security is at risk as one of our largest debt holders (China) is trying to control our foreign policy with one of our close allies, Taiwan.

It has been said that if America falls, it will have to be from the inside as no other nation is strong enough to take it down externally. I ask this question of you in the open public forum “Are you proud to be one of the termites eating away at the foundations of Liberty?”

If you are a religious person, you must worry that the millions of Patriots that have passed before will be demonstrating against your entrance at the Pearly Gates.

Dale E. Brown for Congress MA05 2010
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Posted by: brownsview | March 15, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

WE NEED THE HEALTH CARE REFORM...PASS THE BILL...WE LOVE YOU OBAMA!!!!

Posted by: amlgugsa | March 15, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Pass the bill. In two months, Republicans will regret that they did not participate.

Posted by: ak1967 | March 15, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Pass the bill. In two months, Republicans will regret that they did not participate.

Posted by: ak1967 | March 15, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Pass the bill. In two months, Republicans will regret that they did not participate.

Posted by: ak1967 | March 15, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

mtpeaks,

I first thought you could not read since your comments are inexplicable given the article you commented on... Then, I saw your other post......

Posted by: mini1071 | March 15, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm really glad an issue has gotten so many people engaged in politics. It's great that people want to express their opinions about whether or not they want health care reform and what they want this reform to accomplish. Unfortunately, I don't think the government can just leave things the way they are anymore. They didn't just wake up one day and decide that they could do health care better. The health care industry drove them to it. Our government pays the bill for the Medicare and Medicaid programs, and these costs are skyrocketing and unsustainable, threatening to take over the entire federal budget. This same squeeze is happening to each and every one of us, whether directly through escalating premiums and increasing out of pocket expenses, or indirectly, through fewer jobs and lower wages, because our employers can't afford to hire new people or reduce our pay because their own share of our health care costs keep going up. And of course, there are the uninsured who we all pay for when they show up to an emergency room to seek medical care at the most expensive place that you can go to get medical care, because if they can't or won't pay their hospital bill, their unpaid bill is paid for in higher health care costs and taxes to all the rest of us. And you can hardly blame people for not having health insurance. More and more people have to stop carrying insurance because it is too expensive. Or because they can't get insurance, since we have a health care industry that only wants to insure healthy people. And that is why we need our government, which I would take in a million years over the insurance industry executive who makes his/her million dollar bonus by not providing health care to the sick people that need it the most. I am also bothered to read so much misinformation repeated that has nothing to do with the actual health care reform bill that is being voted on this week. We elect out legislators to enact legislation. They have done this and it is now time for them to have a vote on it.

Posted by: TERI48 | March 15, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm really glad an issue has gotten so many people engaged in politics. It's great that people want to express their opinions about whether or not they want health care reform and what they want this reform to accomplish. Unfortunately, I don't think the government can just leave things the way they are anymore. They didn't just wake up one day and decide that they could do health care better. The health care industry drove them to it. Our government pays the bill for the Medicare and Medicaid programs, and these costs are skyrocketing and unsustainable, threatening to take over the entire federal budget. This same squeeze is happening to each and every one of us, whether directly through escalating premiums and increasing out of pocket expenses, or indirectly, through fewer jobs and lower wages, because our employers can't afford to hire new people or reduce our pay because their own share of our health care costs keep going up. And of course, there are the uninsured who we all pay for when they show up to an emergency room to seek medical care at the most expensive place that you can go to get medical care, because if they can't or won't pay their hospital bill, their unpaid bill is paid for in higher health care costs and taxes to all the rest of us. And you can hardly blame people for not having health insurance. More and more people have to stop carrying insurance because it is too expensive. Or because they can't get insurance, since we have a health care industry that only wants to insure healthy people. And that is why we need our government, which I would take in a million years over the insurance industry executive who makes his/her million dollar bonus by not providing health care to the sick people that need it the most. I am also bothered to read so much misinformation repeated that has nothing to do with the actual health care reform bill that is being voted on this week. We elect out legislators to enact legislation. They have done this and it is now time for them to have a vote on it.

Posted by: TERI48 | March 15, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Fletch_F_Fletch wrote: "In 2008, I voted for Mr. Obama and, in part, his stated goal of improving the transparency of government. I guess the joke is on me."

Me too Fletch, so you are not alone. I often wonder how the election would have turned out if the Republican ticket was McCain/Romney or McCain/Anybody-but-crazy-Alaska-lady. I know how different my vote would have been....

Recognizing that Obama inherited a deficit from a irresponsible administration that waged questionable war on a credit card, it appears to me that he has chosen to nurture the ever-hungry deficit baby as if it was his own child.

Posted by: foxfire_42 | March 15, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Play Wolf Pig and Tiger: all get super Fed golden bene package and free sexual healing therapy sessions on tax dime.

Posted by: tossnokia | March 15, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi and Obama are delusional. ObamaCare is dead. A week of chest compressions will not bring it back.

Posted by: greg3 | March 15, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse


What legislation are you Dims talking about that passed by a majority vote? Hmm?

There isn't any, except in your mind's eye. Obamacare has not passed. Pelosi does not have the votes either, despite the wishful thinking of WaPo hacks.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 15, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me. Could someone tell me when passing legislation by a majority vote became unconstitutional, immoral, corrupt or any of the other nonsensical things the rightwing extremists on this board are spewing?
I look forward to the passage of the bill which will allow me to keep my insurer, keep my doctor, and not lose insurance because I forgot to disclose I had acne when I was 14.

Posted by: djah | March 15, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Thank you President Obama. Thank you Democrats. Finish the job!

Posted by: Felipe_M | March 15, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

The Slaughter Solution: Absolute Constitutional corruption, resulting from absolute House power, is justified to attain absolute Presidential reconciliation.
So no need to hold a House vote. The American people will just have to get used to it.
And wait, there will be more.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 15, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

The very fact that the Democrats have to bend and twist the rules, bribe elected officials, and skewer the Constitution, just to ATTEMPT forcing this unwanted bill through Congress has been more than enough to convince every American that this is a bad bill. In facts, it really sucks!! The Democrats are committing political suicide....lemmings following Obama, Pelosi and Reid off the cliff.

Posted by: lesturgill | March 15, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Benefits that will be EFFECTIVE THIS YEAR.....
===============================
BENEFITS under this plan will NOT be available for another three years. THAT'S A FACT. you begin paying immediately. THAT TOO IS A FACT.
when you find a place in that proposal that says otherwise please post the exact language.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 15, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

'So what's the Constitution?' George Bush asked. 'Just a piece of paper, with a lot of words written on it.'
And so the democratic House leadership takes the same stand.
Nevermind that the Constitution explicitly requires a yea/nay vote on each measure before it's enacted.
Nevermind. The Constitution can be suspended, it would seem, to enact this 'self-executing' bill.
"We'll see you in court," sensible Americans respond. "For we think the Constitution stands for something."
Clearly House dems don't.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 15, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

after more than a year this administration is still having to bribe and stong-arm. what does that say about this administration and their regard for Americans?

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 15, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

This is so exciting!!
Benefits that will be EFFECTIVE THIS YEAR.....
+children can't be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions
+children can stay on parents' policies until they're 26 years old
+free preventive care
+no more doughnut hole for seniors

YaaaaaaaY!!!!!

Posted by: angie12106 | March 15, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

This is so exciting!!
Benefits that will be EFFECTIVE THIS YEAR.....
+children can't be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions
+children can stay on parents' policies until they're 26 years old
+free preventive care
+no more doughnut hole for seniors

YaaaaaaaY!!!!!

Posted by: angie12106 | March 15, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Republican specialise in Contradictions.

They are
for
LOWERING TAXES..

but for

HIGHER INSURANCE PREMIUMS..

This insanity..!!

ISA

Posted by: Issa1 | March 15, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

runmon wrote>>>Allow insurers to sell across state lines, open up competition to reduce insurance prices.
Allow individuals to choose their coverage and benefits not state or federal bureaucrats.
Allow small businesses to pool together to buy health insurance.
Stop the billions of dollars per year in waste, fraud, and abuse of Medicare and Medicaid.

ALL those are INCLUDED in health insurance reform. And yet you want Congress to vote "no."
Shame on you!!!
NONE of us are getting everything we'd like - but Repubs say "no" even though they're getting 80% of what they sought.
Shameful!!!

Posted by: angie12106 | March 15, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

runmon wrote>>>Allow insurers to sell across state lines, open up competition to reduce insurance prices.
Allow individuals to choose their coverage and benefits not state or federal bureaucrats.
Allow small businesses to pool together to buy health insurance.
Stop the billions of dollars per year in waste, fraud, and abuse of Medicare and Medicaid.

ALL those are INCLUDED in health insurance reform. And yet you want Congress to vote "no."
Shame on you!!!
NONE of us are getting everything we'd like - but Repubs say "no" even though they're getting 80% of what they sought.
Shameful!!!

Posted by: angie12106 | March 15, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Real health reform includes:
Malpractice insurance reform, limits on lawsuits filed against doctors, hospitals, and their staff. Defensive medicine waste’s billions per year.
Allow insurers to sell across state lines, open up competition to reduce insurance prices.
Allow individuals to choose their coverage and benefits not state or federal bureaucrats.
Allow small businesses to pool together to buy health insurance.
Stop the billions of dollars per year in waste, fraud, and abuse of Medicare and Medicaid.
Stop the back room deals, payoffs, and bribes, to pharmaceutical companies, to lawyer associations, to unions, and to Senators and Representatives.


House of Representatives and Senators please vote no on this horrendous 3000 page misnamed health reform bill. I've written and phoned my representative urging him to vote no. Also, I've informed his staff that I will volunteer as a campaign worker for his opponent if he votes yes. There are many less costly, less intrusive, less coercive, less bureaucratic solutions to lower health care costs, premiums, and increase access.


Has anyone bothered to fact check the 3000 page misnamed health reform bill?

Posted by: runmon | March 15, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

I have been silent on this issue up to now, but I feel it is time to add my thoughts. When I was growing up, America had 180 million people. We now have 320 million people, with so many varied interests, at all ends of the spectrum. Has our democracy become so dysfunctional, or is it just getting too big? You only need to look at India on a country scale or California on a state scale to see what is happening there. I would just once like to see Washington pass something.

For the past 15 years, our publicly elected officials, in Washington, have not be able to pass anything except non binding resolutions about things that happened in the past or the present, that do not have any effect on the average American. Frankly all the grand standing, each time they vote kind of turns my stomach, since we all know it is just an act to look good in front of the cameras. It would be better for them and for us if they just put their heads down and gave us 40 hours a week, of real honest work.

Although I do not agree with all the aspects of the health care legislation, it is a start. Maybe once something is passed, we could have a legitimate debate with out degrading the other side, and make some meaningful changes to the bill. We will do more damage to our country, by not passing anything. Other countries used to admire us because we could actually do what we say. Now I am not sure.

Remember this bill is not cast in stone, that is why we vote. lets all think about it. Have we lost our our perseverance as well as our civility and . I hope not.

Posted by: citizenoftherepublic1 | March 15, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse


Final Push on Obamacare?

Next week could be “make or break” for Obamacare. It looks as if Democrats have decided to move forward with constitutionally suspect legislative legerdemain to push for federal control of our nation’s health care system. In addition to the unprecedented use of budget reconciliation procedures in the Senate, Democrats in the House are suggesting that they can even amend a bill that hasn’t been passed yet! This trickery is a natural follow-on to a process that saw fundamentally corrupt backroom dealing in an effort to get this legislation as far as it did before the Senate election in Massachusetts ground things to a temporary halt.

Obama, once again reflecting his impatience with Our form of government, is saying the time for talk is over.

Those who don’t want the government to take over one-sixth of our nation’s economy should not be intimidated.

By the way, the recent SurveyUSA poll found that 62% of Americans thought an increased government role in the health care system would lead to more corruption (only 14% thought it would lead to less corruption).

If Obamacare is to be stopped in this Congress, it is likely to be stopped in the House of Representatives. The key House vote(s) could come as early as next week. It is imperative that you call your congressmen and let them know what you think about Obamacare. The number to call is 202-224-3121. This will get you to the Capitol Hill Switchboard. And it won’t hurt to call your Senators, too. Tell your family, friends, and anyone else you can think of to call. If you can’t get through, or your representative simply refuses to answer the phone, keep on calling. I can tell you that your elected representatives are very much aware of the volume of calls, whether or not they’re bothering to answer the phone.

Obama wants America to “shut up” about his proposed health care takeover. But Americans, as Sovereigns of this nation, have a God-given right to petition THEIR government. Now is the time to exercise it.


http://www.judicialwatch.org/weeklyupdate/2010/10-obama-administration-protecting-acorn#anchor4


Posted by: AJAX2 | March 15, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse


From Rasmussen site.

"In 2008, Obama won 53%-46% and our final poll showed Obama winning 52% to 46%."

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 15, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse


The day before Senator Scott Brown was elected, Rasmussen released a poll predicting Brown would win the election by nine points.

The day before Senator Scott Brown was elected WaPo ran the headline "Polls show race for 'Kennedy seat' about even". WaPo hacks referred to an inane Daily Kos poll that called it "a 48-48 tie".

quote: "With polls showing the race a dead heat ..."

Senator Scott Brown won by almost seven points.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 15, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

steve681 wrote>>>new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 43% favor the health care plan....while 53% oppose it.

thats actually not bad, considering Rasmussen is an arm of the Republican Party... the Real numbers are probably 52% for, 48 against...

Posted by: emoenergy1 | March 15, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Rasmussen is an independent from both parties. Their polling has been closer than any other pollster in several past elections.
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Is that so? Didn't Rasmussen predict that McCain would win the election? Rasmussen is to polling what Fox is to News. You get the picture.

Posted by: Richard18 | March 15, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 26% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-two percent (42%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -16

Overall, 45% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty-three percent (54%) disapprove.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 15, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

steve681 wrote>>>new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 43% favor the health care plan....while 53% oppose it.

thats actually not bad, considering Rasmussen is an arm of the Republican Party... the Real numbers are probably 52% for, 48 against...

Posted by: emoenergy1 | March 15, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse


Rasmussen is an independent from both parties. Their polling has been closer than any other pollster in several past elections.

Posted by: Steve681 | March 15, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

In the country of Honest Abe, we have these dishonest, selfish Republicans crying foul that a good bill (not perfect) is being passed by our courageous leaders (we will see!). Now I am seing the true colors of Republicans, they are a bunch anti-patriotic, anti-american weenies. Obama is a god's gift to America. Please help him govern instead of pulling him down.

Posted by: Realist17 | March 15, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

steve681 wrote>>>new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 43% favor the health care plan....while 53% oppose it.

thats actually not bad, considering Rasmussen is an arm of the Republican Party... the Real numbers are probably 52% for, 48 against...

Posted by: emoenergy1 | March 15, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Democrats continue to overwhelmingly support the plan, while Republicans and voters not affiliated with either party strongly oppose it. Opposition continues to stem in part from unchanging views that the plan will drive up the cost and worsen the quality of health care in America. Fifty-seven percent (57%) of voters also believe the health care reform plan now working its way through Congress will hurt the U.S. economy. And that is what Obama wants to do.

Posted by: Steve681 | March 15, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Democrats continue to overwhelmingly support the plan, while Republicans and voters not affiliated with either party strongly oppose it. Opposition continues to stem in part from unchanging views that the plan will drive up the cost and worsen the quality of health care in America. Fifty-seven percent (57%) of voters also believe the health care reform plan now working its way through Congress will hurt the U.S. economy. And that is what Obama wants to do.

Posted by: Steve681 | March 15, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

God how I hate Obama. And Pelosi.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 15, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

God how I hate Obama and Pelosi.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 15, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse


Barry the incompetent boob Obama showed how "strong" he is by giving his latest snoozefest of a speech in STRONGVILLE, Ohio. The camera angle is carefully positioned so the only black face in the audience is obscured by Barry's head 95% of the time. Barry "rolls up his sleeves" of his custom tailored shirt to show everyone that this time he REALLY MEANS BUSINESS.

It is to laugh.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 15, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

The president and congressional Democrats have attempted to demonize health insurance companies to build support for the plan. But when it comes to health insurance decisions, 51% fear the federal government more than they fear private insurance companies. Thirty-nine percent (39%) fear private insurers more.

Posted by: Steve681 | March 15, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but the 53% opposing it INCLUDES many who are disappointed the Public Option isn't included.
However, it's gonna be a whole lot better than what we have now!!


Posted by: angie12106 | March 15, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Wrong
Additionally, 76% of those with insurance rate their own coverage as good or excellent. Just three percent (3%) rate their own coverage as poor. The fact that most Americans are comfortable with their own insurance coverage has proven to be a major obstacle for advocates of reform.

But most voters (55%) would rather see Congress scrap the original plan and start all over again as republicans wanted to do during the fake summit Obama held.

Posted by: Steve681 | March 15, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

richardshaker

(He complains about the news agencies and that they brain wash the public [Fox news IS amazing. I can only listen to it for a couple of minutes. How can they get away with so many lies, disguised as news broadcast? But we digress]. )
Obama complains about any news organization that criticizes his programs. And MSNBC is a news channel that is a joke.
[a large majority of the public wants it. a majority don't favor this bill only because because it doesn't do enough, but they certainly would prefer it over nothing] , and for it to be bipartisan [its hard to be negotiate with yourself, but Obama has done the best he could, with the other side dedicated only to defeating him, caring not for 30 million uninsured)

Everyone wants to reform it. Even the republicans. But Obama did not want to work from the ground up with republicans on a bi partisan bill. The people do not want this bill because it is not bi partisan , It will cost more than the Congressional budget office says it will (they always cost more than projected, a lot more). People who have insurance now will see their premiums go up, while quality care goes down for 10% of the public who do not have it.

Posted by: Steve681 | March 15, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse


Barry the incompetent boob Obama is a dismal failure as a president and a leader. These worthless WaPo hacks have been carrying Obama's water since his first day in office.

Now this hag Pelosi wants to pass Obamacare "without requiring an actual vote" that puts each congressman's vote in the public eye. Trying to hide accountability from the voters , as usual.

232 days until Election Day. See you at the polls, Dims.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 15, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

steve681 wrote>>>new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 43% favor the health care plan....while 53% oppose it.

Yes, but the 53% opposing it INCLUDES many who are disappointed the Public Option isn't included.
However, it's gonna be a whole lot better than what we have now!!

Posted by: angie12106 | March 15, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

screwjob11 wrote>>>No dissent will be tolerated, a move reminiscent of Hugo Chavez of Venezuela

WaPo doesn't remove posts on the basis of dissent. But you Righties are throwing personal attacks and name calling - and those posts should be deleted since they're TOS violations.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 15, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

psssttt......house dems

if you do decide to sell out to obama

for the appropriate landrieu

and vote FOR mandatory abortion coverage in obamacare--even though you know better

be sure to get CASH

no checks

Sen. Ben Nelson took a whitehouse check for his landrieu for nebraska to vote for obamacare

and then team obama stopped payment

don't let that happen to YOU

if YOU sellout-- get YOUR landrieu bill passed FIRST

there is no honor among thieves

Posted by: ProCounsel | March 15, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

screwjob11 wrote>>>No dissent will be tolerated, a move reminiscent of Hugo Chavez of Venezuela

WaPo doesn't remove posts on the basis of dissent. But you Righties are throwing personal attacks and name calling - and those posts should be deleted since they're TOS violations.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 15, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse


Actually, he was left a pile of smelly, rotten stuff by the Bush Regime, and a bunch of Republicans bitter over the drubbing they took with McCain and the nut from Alaska. They vowed from day one that nothing offered up by Dems would see a yes vote. So give it a rest, he is doing as much as he can with what he was given. And only the uninformed think that the public doesn't want this reform to happen.

Posted by: ronjeske | March 15, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse
Actually, he was left a pile of smelly, rotten stuff by the Democrats in congress who created the mess. Obama comes in and adds on to the deficit in one year that Bush did in 8 years. The Democrats in congress who came in in 06 caused the economy to crash

new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 43% favor the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats, while 53% oppose it. Those findings include 23% who Strongly Favor the plan and 46% who Strongly Oppose it.

The numbers are virtually unchanged from last week and are consistent with findings in regularly tracking going back to just after Thanksgiving.

Democrats continue to overwhelmingly support the plan, while Republicans and voters not affiliated with either party strongly oppose it.

Opposition continues to stem in part from unchanging views that the plan will drive up the cost and worsen the quality of health care in America. Fifty-seven percent (57%) of voters also believe the health care reform plan now working its way through Congress will hurt the U.S. economy. 81% of voters say it's likely the plan will end up costing more than projected. Only 10% say the official numbers are likely to be on target.
Independent voters are against the health care bill.I guess you think the majority of the people are uninformed because they do not get there news from the white house website of from John Stewart.

Posted by: Steve681 | March 15, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Hi, Sam, here are a few comments on your comments.

Obama is more concerned about political agenda instead of representing the people who elected him. [Obama comes to work every day trying to change things for the better. That's more than we can say about your heroes boehner and McConnell]
He says he wants a bill that no one wants [a large majority of the public wants it. a majority don't favor this bill only because because it doesn't do enough, but they certainly would prefer it over nothing] , and for it to be bipartisan [its ahrd to be negoitate with yourself, but Obama has done the best he could, with the other side dedicated only to defeating him, caring not for 30 million uninsured, threats of dropped coverage, and insurance companies out of control]. , but he did everything to make it partisan. he would not scrap this bill and star over on a bipartisan bill [oh, yeah, such helpful advice, start over, and then, when we waste another year pretending to negotiate, then start over again, fool me once ....], to keep it partisan.
Instead of working to create jobs [its the job of the private sector, not the government, to create jobs. i thought you knew that. what are you, a socialist? Obama saved the banking system so the private sector can create jobs, and he did this without any help from the Reublcians, who again cared only about partisan victories that thankfully they never got], he is working on ways to get the government involved in out private lives [have no idea what you are talking about here and I doubt that you know either. I wish the government got more involved in health care, so we could ahve 3% overhead isntead of 20% overhead. but, alas, the Deomcrats let Obama down on that one]. . He complains about the news agencies and that they brain wash the public [Fox news IS amazing. I can only listen to it for a couple of minutes. How can they get away with so many lies, disguised as a news broadcast. but we digress]. He says we should go to the white house press instead to get brain washed by the government [you need something to be done with your brain. go back to school, or do something to learn about evolution, birth certificates, global warming, you are a disgrace to the American educational system]. He has no clue on what America is about. [boy, I don't want to live in what you think America is. but don't you dare tell ME what America is about. who do you think YOU are?]


Posted by: richardshaker | March 15, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Hi, Sam, here are a few comments on your comments.

Obama is more concerned about political agenda instead of representing the people who elected him. [Obama comes to work every day trying to change things for the better. That's more than we can say about your heroes boehner and McConnell]
He says he wants a bill that no one wants [a large majority of the public wants it. a majority don't favor this bill only because because it doesn't do enough, but they certainly would prefer it over nothing] , and for it to be bipartisan [its ahrd to be negoitate with yourself, but Obama has done the best he could, with the other side dedicated only to defeating him, caring not for 30 million uninsured, threats of dropped coverage, and insurance companies out of control]. , but he did everything to make it partisan. he would not scrap this bill and star over on a bipartisan bill [oh, yeah, such helpful advice, start over, and then, when we waste another year pretending to negotiate, then start over again, fool me once ....], to keep it partisan.
Instead of working to create jobs [its the job of the private sector, not the government, to create jobs. i thought you knew that. what are you, a socialist? Obama saved the banking system so the private sector can create jobs, and he did this without any help from the Reublcians, who again cared only about partisan victories that thankfully they never got], he is working on ways to get the government involved in out private lives [have no idea what you are talking about here and I doubt that you know either. I wish the government got more involved in health care, so we could ahve 3% overhead isntead of 20% overhead. but, alas, the Deomcrats let Obama down on that one]. . He complains about the news agencies and that they brain wash the public [Fox news IS amazing. I can only listen to it for a couple of minutes. How can they get away with so many lies, disguised as a news broadcast. but we digress]. He says we should go to the white house press instead to get brain washed by the government [you need something to be done with your brain. go back to school, or do something to learn about evolution, birth certificates, global warming, you are a disgrace to the American educational system]. He has no clue on what America is about. [boy, I don't want to live in what you think America is. but don't you dare tell ME what America is about. who do you think YOU are?]


Posted by: richardshaker | March 15, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Zero Republicans in Congress have stood up for citizens by criticizing California's largest health insurer for raising premiums 60% this year.

Meanwhile, Obama's plan will benefit tax payers by REDUCING wasteful government spending on healthcare by $1.1 TRILLION, net-net.

FACT.

Posted by: paul65 | March 15, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Hi, Sam, here are a few comments on your comments.

Obama is more concerned about political agenda instead of representing the people who elected him. [Obama comes to work every day trying to change things for the better. That's more than we can say about your heroes boehner and McConnell]
He says he wants a bill that no one wants [a large majority of the public wants it. a majority don't favor this bill only because because it doesn't do enough, but they certainly would prefer it over nothing] , and for it to be bipartisan [its ahrd to be negoitate with yourself, but Obama has done the best he could, with the other side dedicated only to defeating him, caring not for 30 million uninsured, threats of dropped coverage, and insurance companies out of control]. , but he did everything to make it partisan. he would not scrap this bill and star over on a bipartisan bill [oh, yeah, such helpful advice, start over, and then, when we waste another year pretending to negotiate, then start over again, fool me once ....], to keep it partisan.
Instead of working to create jobs [its the job of the private sector, not the government, to create jobs. i thought you knew that. what are you, a socialist? Obama saved the banking system so the private sector can create jobs, and he did this without any help from the Reublcians, who again cared only about partisan victories that thankfully they never got], he is working on ways to get the government involved in out private lives [have no idea what you are talking about here and I doubt that you know either. I wish the government got more involved in health care, so we could ahve 3% overhead isntead of 20% overhead. but, alas, the Deomcrats let Obama down on that one]. . He complains about the news agencies and that they brain wash the public [Fox news IS amazing. I can only listen to it for a couple of minutes. How can they get away with so many lies, disguised as a news broadcast. but we digress]. He says we should go to the white house press instead to get brain washed by the government [you need something to be done with your brain. go back to school, or do something to learn about evolution, birth certificates, global warming, you are a disgrace to the American educational system]. He has no clue on what America is about. [boy, I don't want to live in what you think America is. but don't you dare tell ME what America is about. who do you think YOU are?]


Posted by: richardshaker | March 15, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse


I will say one thing though, as the Dims get more desperate about Obamacare, censorship of posts in the comments section by WaPo hacks increases geometrically.

No dissent will be tolerated, a move reminiscent of Hugo Chavez of Venezuela.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 15, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

ronjeske, I apologize for attributing a comment to you that you didn't make.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 15, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Obamacare adds more than a decade of viability to Medicare, mostly by getting rid of fraud and abuse. That's a good thing.

FACT.

Posted by: paul65 | March 15, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey cfitzpatrick2, you must have been hooked up pretty good on oxycotin during "Dick" Cheney and George W. Bush administration. After all, corruption was the hallmark of their administration. And for all of you who are complaining about the process, that's how things are done in congress. The legislative process requires that the dems must do it that way. I bet you think Dick did something different to get his tax cuts to the wealthy 1%, right? go take some more oxycotin.

Posted by: fgerald0204 | March 15, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

ronjeske wrote>>>he did everything to make it partisan. he would not scrap this bill and star over on

You've been watching too much Fox News.
There are OVER 100 Republican amendments in the health insurance reform bill representing MANY Republican ideas.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 15, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

ronjeske wrote>>>he did everything to make it partisan. he would not scrap this bill and star over on

You've been watching too much Fox News.
There are OVER 100 Republican amendments in the health insurance reform bill representing MANY Republican ideas.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 15, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

ronjeske wrote>>>he did everything to make it partisan. he would not scrap this bill and star over on

You've been watching too much Fox News.
There are OVER 100 Republican amendments in the health insurance reform bill representing MANY Republican ideas.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 15, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

ronjeske wrote>>>he did everything to make it partisan. he would not scrap this bill and star over on

You've been watching too much Fox News.
There are OVER 100 Republican amendments in the health insurance reform bill representing MANY Republican ideas.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 15, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Why should we pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in premiums to insurance companies that can legally rescind policies, or deny us renewal in the event of serious illness? Is that not defeating the purpose of insurance? Eliminate the corporate predators lurking between me and my doctor. They are bad for my health. Pass reform now.

Posted by: othpromanuel | March 15, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Can you imagine what politicians think of voters. The bill will be "deemed" to have passed so as to provide cover to politicians, so they can say they didn't actually vote for it. Anyone who goes along with this should forget about running for re-election.I think their disrespect for the system shows their complete lack of integrity and arrogance.

Posted by: tdressler | March 15, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey cfitzpatrick2, you must have been hooked up pretty good on oxycotin during "Dick" Cheney and George W. Bush administration. After all, corruption were the hallmark of their administration

Posted by: fgerald0204 | March 15, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

cfitzpat wrote>>>This is the most corrupt piece of legislation ever devised. Bribes to senators, bribes to unions

Apparently, you missed the Bush Error with Republicans BRIBING members on the House floor to pass the UNFUNDED Medicare D and holding the vote open for 4 HOURS - all recorded for history on C-Span!

Posted by: angie12106 | March 15, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

WooHoo!! great going Democrats - almost there!

Posted by: angie12106 | March 15, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

the dem party is embarking on it's final journey as well.

Posted by: 12thgenamerican | March 15, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CapnRusty | March 15, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

This is ridiculous. Another way to ensure no American knows what is in or will be in the bill. If we weren't talking about 17% of the economy, I would laugh. What a sh!t show.

In 2008, I voted for Mr. Obama and, in part, his stated goal of improving the transparency of government. I guess the joke is on me.

Posted by: Fletch_F_Fletch | March 15, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: A-Voter | March 15, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Go, go, Gadget go!

I can't wait until HCR crosses the line. This will be the legislative achievement of our generation!

Posted by: hoos3014 | March 15, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Go, go, Gadget go!

I can't wait until HCR crosses the line. This will be the legislative achievement of our generation!

Posted by: hoos3014 | March 15, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

What a farce! Our elected representatives do not abide by the wishes of the majority of their constituents. the Reconciliation Act was enacted to make it simpler to pass budgetary provisions for the budget of the US, not to pass government take over of our health services. this is an underhanded treachery from the three wicked witches of the West: Pelosi, Feinstein, and Boxer, and the top Wicked Lord Harry Reid. We as voters should make our vote count this coming election and vote out these "un-representatives" of the people. This is total socialist takeover of a private industry. Under this bill, the IRS becomes the premium collector for private companies.
Voters unite and lets cast our vote this November for real representatives of voters' wishes.
Please NY Times, would you publish the names of all of the representatives and senators that voted in favor of this bill so that the American people can know who betrayed them?

Posted by: EduardoDe | March 15, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I am so excited, deep in my heart, that this is finally happening. We have never been this close before to true healthcare reform. Healthcare costs really are going to eat alive our economic growth, our wages, and our position in the world if we do nothing, which is the only alternative to reform at this point. "Start over" is just make-believe, and people on both sides know it. It stands for fail, epic fail, and never help those harmed today and every day by our current broken system.

The special interests benefiting from today's system are so entrenched, so connected, that even Bill Clinton, who is recognized as one of the most gifted politicians of recent years, could not get it through. This is not a criticism of him (he faced different times and opponents) but a measure of how huge this achievement really is.

I feel like I've seen a football team battle through cold, rain, and snow, inch by inch, and now the goal line is in sight. The system has really worked. Or at least, I hope with all my heart, it is about to. It was a horrible struggle and the result will be so close right to the end, but given the stakes and the private interests involved, you could have predicted that from the beginning. Only easy issues fly through with large majorities. Tough issues are called tough for a reason.

Posted by: fairfaxvoter | March 15, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Bob...drink some more koolaid, why don't you. This is the most corrupt piece of legislation ever devised. Bribes to senators, bribes to unions, etc. Last week Gibbs said, about the special deals for Montana and Connecticut "the president wants them OUT" of obamacare. Yesterday, after another vote count, Axelrod says they are back in. If it is so good for people, why are they required to participate or be fined? And why wouldn't Congress accept THIS plan for themselves and their families? And why are Americans against ti 63-35? Stop, I know, because liberal Dems know BETTER, and the nanny government knows BETTER, what the American people need, than do the people themselves.

Posted by: cfitzpatrick2 | March 15, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama is more concerned about political agenda instead of representing the people who elected him.
He says he wants a bill that no one wants, and for it to be bipartisan, but he did everything to make it partisan. he would not scrap this bill and star over on a bipartisan bill, to keep it partisan.
Instead of working to create jobs, he is working on ways to get the government involved in out private lives. He complains about the news agencies and that they brain wash the public. He says we should go to the white house press instead to get brain washed by the government. He has no clue on what America is about.
Posted by: Steve681 | March 15, 2010 4:48 PM

Actually, he was left a pile of smelly, rotten stuff by the Bush Regime, and a bunch of Republicans bitter over the drubbing they took with McCain and the nut from Alaska. They vowed from day one that nothing offered up by Dems would see a yes vote. So give it a rest, he is doing as much as he can with what he was given. And only the uninformed think that the public doesn't want this reform to happen.

Posted by: ronjeske | March 15, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

We are supposed to be getting legislation passed, not playing "legislative tennis" with this thing. It will soon be old enough to vote on its own. Sen. Durbin has said that whatever reconciliation material comes from the House will pass the Senate. He said the House can count on that.

This is the moment of the golden opportunity for the House to go for the public option in some form, be it an insurance exchange, single payer, Medicare for all, or whatever they want. To the House, this is your one and only chance to nail this one down in a big way. You get to kill the Cornhusker Giveaway, the Louisiana Buyout, The Florida payout, and all of the stuff that Harry Reid had to give away to get those votes in the Senate for things that were tantamount to fraud and extortion. Stupak has to read the law as written in the Hyde Amendment and get off his donkey on his complaint. He has to get in line, because payback for not playing is not nice. He is lucky that he didn't serve with LBJ, or he would have had one of the "sessions", and we ain't talking the senator by that name, that brought even the naysayers to the altar.

Posted by: ronjeske | March 15, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Step One:
In this sentence "Because under the instructions written into last year's budget, the reconciliation process must use a measure written no later than Oct. 15, 2009" -- what does the words "must" and "written" mean?
In Democrat-speak, those words apparently mean that they can use something that was written back then, but they can replace all those words with something that they're writing tomorrow?!
Every time I think they can't come up with something more jaw-dropping, they do.

Posted by: CapnRusty | March 15, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Note how craven Dims try to pass Obamacare without having their actual votes on the record.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 15, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I know there is much talk about how this will play out politcally over the next months/years but take a break for a minute and ask yourself this question: If you were an independent about to pull the voting lever would you be: a.) backing the name calling,fear mongers or b.) would you take a chance on people that seem serious and even if a bit misguided truly have America's best interest at heart?

Posted by: bob29 | March 15, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama is more concerned about political agenda instead of representing the people who elected him.
He says he wants a bill that no one wants, and for it to be bipartisan, but he did everything to make it partisan. he would not scrap this bill and star over on a bipartisan bill, to keep it partisan.
Instead of working to create jobs, he is working on ways to get the government involved in out private lives. He complains about the news agencies and that they brain wash the public. He says we should go to the white house press instead to get brain washed by the government. He has no clue on what America is about.

Posted by: Steve681 | March 15, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

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