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Kucinich drops opposition to health-care bill

Updated 12:52 p.m.
By Perry Bacon Jr. and Garance Franke-Ruta
Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), often a proponent of very liberal, unlikely ideas such as the creation of a "Department of Peace" and the impeachment of then-Vice President Cheney, has found his pragmatic streak.

Under pressure from both President Obama and liberal groups, the Ohio congressman announced Wednesday morning he would back the health-care bill Democrats are trying to push through Congress this week. Long an advocate of a Medicare-for-all health care system, Kucinich in November voted against the House version of the legislation, arguing it "incentivizes the perpetuation, indeed the strengthening, of the for-profit health insurance industry, the very source of the problem."

"I know I have to make a decision, not on the bill as I would like to see, it but on the bill as it is," the longtime congressman said in a 30-minute press conference on Capitol Hill where he detailed his vote change. "I have doubts about this bill," he said. "...This is not the bill I wanted to support."

"However, after careful discussions with President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, my wife Elizabeth and close friends, I have decided to cast a vote in favor of the legislation," he said.

Obama called Kucinich's decision to vote yes on health care "a good sign" and said that he had thanked him for the switch.

Kucinich, who had declared himself opposed to the president's health care bills because they did not contain a public option, was the subject of some airborne arm-twisting this week as he flew with Obama on Air Force One.

"I told him thank you," Obama said to reporters as he hosted the Taoiseach of Ireland, Brian Cowen, for a St. Patrick's Day conversation at the White House.

Obama, wearing a light green tie, also thanked Congress for passing the jobs bill, calling it "he first of what
I hope will be a series of jobs packages that help to continue to put people back to work."

The decision makes Kucinich the first Democrat who opposed the legislation in the House in November to change his vote, moving the party closer to the 216 votes it will need by this weekend. But his vote change, while illustrating that even the most liberal of Democrats are now conceding the death of the government insurance option and backing the bill, won't move the vote count beyond Kucinich himself. The vast majority of Democrats who opposed the initial bill or who backed it then but are on the fence now are more moderate Democrats. Only Kucinich and Rep. Eric Massa (D-N.Y.), who has since resigned in the wake of a ethics scandal, opposed the bill from the left.

Kucinich cast himself as being torn for days over the decision, hearing from constituents who implored him "something is better than nothing" and discussing his vote four times over the last several weeks with Obama.

"Every criticism I made, I maintain," he said. "The bill is flawed, it's not the bill I want and I've been pretty vocal about it. So I had to ask myself am I going to just rest on my philosophical position, which I remain committed to and look at the American people and say, 'You know, I'm not going to do this.' There is a moment of decision you have to make."

His decision came under unusual pressure for a lawmaker known mainly for leading liberal causes such as calling for the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan and opposing the war in Iraq. With Democrats struggling to get the votes needed to pass the bill, the founder of the liberal blog Daily Kos threatened to back a primary challenge if the health-care legislation failed and Kucinich was in the opposition.

And on Monday, as Obama spoke at a rally in Strongville, Ohio, in the congressman's suburban Cleveland district, someone in the audience called out, "Vote yes."

Obama turned to Kucinich, who was on stage for the rally and said, "Did you hear that, Dennis?"

By Tuesday, the usually chatty lawmaker was ducking reporters' questions in the Capitol. But on Wednesday morning, he seemed to bask in the kind of attention he rarely got during his presidential runs in 2004 and 2008.

He bragged of his single-payer stance, saying "I have taken the debate farther than anyone else has taken it."

"This is a defining moment for if we will have any opportunity to move off square one on health care," he said.

For a sense of how the rest of the House is planning to vote, see this look at how members voted on the health-care legislation Nov. 7, where lawmakers are leaning now and who is still undecided.

Kucinich's full remarks, as prepared for delivery, can be read on his Web site.

By Perry Bacon Jr. and Garance Franke-Ruta  |  March 17, 2010; 10:18 AM ET
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Comments

There are two types of poor; those who do not want to be and those who believe the government and the people of this country owe them a lifestyle and a means of living. Well fine, we take care of those who do not want to be poor and give something less to the entitlement hounds who are nothing but a drain on this society.

Posted by: zendrell | March 18, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I am disappointed in the Democrats in general not Dennis Kucinich who was backed into a corner by his right leaning colleagues...now we will have a health bill that pundits admit is even more pro corporate insurance and conservative than Nixon’s 40 years ago...and America will continue with the most “backward” and “corrupt” privatized corporate health care in the developed world (other than the 1% who “can afford the best”). ALL other counties have a robust public option and universal health care (whose outputs are unanimously far better and cheaper). Hopefully this bill with will lead to a system in the future that is on par with the rest of the world. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_compared#Cross-country_comparisons and http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/august/new_poll_shows_canad.php )

Posted by: britb | March 18, 2010 4:20 AM | Report abuse

Hey Tea baggers. Great crowd yesterday in Washington. You had 300 people out at the protest if you were lucky.

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 17, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Quit crying. Your party lost. Dust yourself off and carry on...If not leave the country....

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 17, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

re...peggydlhk ...Your Republican party is toast in November. Wait till the Americans people find out they were lied to by the Republicans on healthcare. They will running for the hills....

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 17, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

RE....The only thing that was missing from the Kucinich press conference was the jar of Vasaline

I think your Republican party is passing it on to all of its members...

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 17, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

All it took was a free ride on Air Force One to buy Kucinich's vote. WOW! If I lived in Ohio I'd really be ticked off about him accepting such a cheap, self-serving bribe, instead of one the sweetheart deals like Nebraska and Louisiana got.

Posted by: lesturgill | March 17, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I have noticed that there has been the hate word towards the President and we the people hate what he is doing to this country. If he had not lied to get into office ans promise false hope and have the secret combination meeting with the Union and the democrats that are out to try and ruin the constitution like Obama, Pelosi and Reid for starters and lets not forget about the baby murders. They have put an influence for more abortions since they won't have to pay for it. The percent of abortions will sky rocket and they will be held accountable. i see no mention about 85% of the people do not want this health care and this is opening the doors for the illegals to live off of the welfare system.

This statement by Kucinich doe not make any sense. He was before it through out and now all of the sudden he is for it. He is not true to himself and was threatened or something to change his mind. You can tell by his manners and body language that something is amiss and will come out in the future. What kind of bribes did he accept. Its a wonder that these politicians are our representatives and are going against the wish of the people. Vote them out.

Posted by: josephbocek | March 17, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

The only thing that was missing from the Kucinich press conference was the jar of Vasaline!!!

Posted by: gman6 | March 17, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Someone on MSNBC called Rep. Kucinic today a show off, well Chad you are wrong and disrespectful of a man who is a true patriot who carries the US flag as the true symbol it represents. Give me the poor says the Statue of Liberty, I presume the mad Republicans will call her a socialist unamerican and Chad will call her a show off too.

Posted by: postDC | March 17, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

state82 wrote: Yesterday our president, Obama, paid this male prostitute for his services.
88888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888
THAT IS AS CHRISTIAN AS ONE CAN GET, FANATICAL IMBECIL NOT TO MENTION CRETIN AND INSANE.
HE PROBABLY WAS THINKING ABOUT HIS PASTORS
WHO COMMIT ADULTERY AND DEVIANT ACTS AND HIS BELOVED gw WHO COMMITTED CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.

Posted by: postDC | March 17, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I challenge the unsupported statement that a "Department of Peace" and impeachment of Cheney were "unlikely" ideas.
Certainly these things did not happen.

We may find ourselves still stuck with a broken health care system in five years. That doesn't mean that we didn't almost get it fixed. It doesn't mean that real health care reform was unlikely.
It just means our elected representatives failed us.

Posted by: jpnairn | March 17, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Long an advocate of a Medicare-for-all health care system, Kucinich in November voted against the House version of the legislation, arguing it "incentivizes the perpetuation, indeed the strengthening, of the for-profit health insurance industry, the very source of the problem."

"I know I have to make a decision, not on the bill as I would like to see, it but on the bill as it is," the longtime congressman said in a 30-minute press conference on Capitol Hill where he detailed his vote change. "I have doubts about this bill," he said. "...This is not the bill I wanted to support."

But being the snivling weasel that he is; Dennis has sold his soul again. Dennis, just because you can't stand on your principles doesn't mean you should sell out your constituents.

Posted by: nosuchluck | March 17, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

"You do have to be very careful that the potential of President Obama's presidency not be destroyed by this debate," said Kucinich. "Even though I have many differences with him on policy, there's something much bigger at stake here for America."

This country has survived many a crappy President. It might not survive this bill.

Posted by: nosuchluck | March 17, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

If Dems want to get CRUSHED in the next election
==================
Where did you guys get you crystal ball, from, Jim Bunning yard sale?

Hey, Cone heads it is not about the next election it about defeating the insurance companies business practices against regular Americans.

Under LBJ Southern Democrats voted for the civil rights bill did lost 12 seats and they paid for that bill but it was the right thing for America. They were on the right side of history in the past and they are on the right side of history today.

So what if the Republicans win a few new seats-- in the US House and US Senate? So what? You have a president that can veto their ill fated attempts to over haul the financial and insurance regulations we are putting in, place now.

Will the Republicans tackle illegal immigration, tax cut for the rich, energy, and global warming? Get real.

Quietly as it is kept, the Democrats have put pay-go back in place and the White House Budget Reduction Committee will find ways to reduce deficit. So I ask my friends from the other side of the Isle, what is on conservatives, reform agenda. Stopping the sales of candy cigarettes seems to be a hot topic.

Posted by: nateminor | March 17, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I've read where the largest 14 insurance companies combined made a profit of 9 billion dollars last year. Even if you stripped away all their profits, it doesn't make a dent in the total health care budget. We will only lower health care premimums by lowering all the associated costs - drugs, testing, malpractice lawsuits, hospital and doctors. I believe the government is not addressing the whole problem, and maybe it's not politically possible to do so. We need congressmen and senators to understand the whole system and then make informed changes. I don't want just any health care reform, I want it done the best way possible.

Posted by: johngault2 | March 17, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

NO POLITICIAN DOES ANYTHING UNLESS HE IS POCKETTING MONEY AND BELIEVE ME THEY DO NOT CARE WHERE IT COMES FROM.JUST ANOTHER SPINELESS DEMOCRAT.

Posted by: SISSD1 | March 17, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I always thought Dennis was different- a feisty little guy, who fought anyone and anything as necessary, with a total disregard for the status quo, conventional wisdom, and "fitting in".
Apparently the new Dennis is just another one of the sheep, selling his vote for a ride on Air Force One.

Posted by: flyover22 | March 17, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Dennis is a HERO,

The article did not include some heartwarming words he made about the president, but he made me proud that he listens to the president with compassion and resolve.

For those that hate the president nothing Dennis or me can say that will change your bulgy hearts, nothing the president does to up right this nation will please you. But those that need this health bill, will thank their lucky stars that this historic moment have come to 31,000,000 million souls that are waiting in the shadows.

Thank you Dennis for your courage,

Best regards,

John McCain

Posted by: nateminor | March 17, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

How much was he paid to do this to his constituents? Ohio is in bad shape. They need someone they can trust to represent them. He is gone in the next election........

Posted by: peggydlhk | March 17, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

So much for this boys run for President.. He just said I'll bend over for you Mr.Obamba..

Posted by: robinhood2 | March 17, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Dennis for supporting this bill. You are right to ask for more to help Americans with healthcare issues. The "majority" referred to by the opposition for healthcare don't realize half of those opposed want MORE not less in this bill. You are doing what is right for the people. They will learn the benefits soon enough. Shame on those who oppose helping the sick, elderly and young. The corporations have no heart and those politicans who advocate for them.

Those who felt Medicare was a bad idea, sure like that program now. They forget it is a government-run program. A program the GOP fought hard to defeat. Just like this one. We'll work to improve it later. We appreciate your fight for the people of this country.

Posted by: Justice4all5 | March 17, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Did Kucinich really just grow pragmatic wings of compromise, or did Democrats just revive the public option, buried deep within reconciliation?

http://budget.house.gov/doc-library/FY2010/03.15.2010_reconciliation2010.PDF

Read page 116 of this just-release House version of the health care reconciliation bill. House Democrats are writing the public option into reconciliation, which they will then push through the Senate, where they now need only 50 votes, assuming that creation of a public option passes the muster for reconciliation with the Senate parliamentarian. If this is what the reconciliation bill looks like, then it's no wonder that Kucinich suddenly supports the bill. He wanted a public option, and he may have just gotten it.

Posted by: blert | March 17, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich said the ride on AF1 was the most fun since he and his wife were abducted by aliens.

Besides, he said, he also held a seance and the spirit of Joan of Arc told him the USA needs Obamacare!

Posted by: pgr88 | March 17, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama bought Kucinich with something that will be in a later bill, that cannot be tied to healthcare.

Posted by: Hawaiian_Gecko | March 17, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Thank Heavens that Dennis has decided to give us a START! Try buying health insurance for a breast cancer survivor, and you will begin to understand why we can not go forward as a country with the system the insurnace CEO's have shoved down our throats! Thanks, Dennis!! You've got my vote! Thanks for yours!

Posted by: terryingram821 | March 17, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich'rants shows that he is highly intoxi.with the 'purple koolaid courtesy bo'camp.
To hell with bo's ego and block this Hindenberg Bill.Nasty pelosi,socialist reid,and tyrant rahmbo are willing to put America in the brink of econ.crisis with their obsessive 'love' of bo and his demanding tantrums.When bo finally destroys America with his extrav. not to mention his personal cost, he at least has other countries which would gladly bestow homeland rights - Indonesia and Kenya.And Hilliary would take pelosi and the rest of ganglanders to Canada with her.
STOP THIS COSTLY BILL before we all end up as 'waifs' in some Chinese provinces

Posted by: somers91 | March 17, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Another spineless politician! I thought he was principled!

Posted by: bryan37 | March 17, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Whether you or approve or disapprove his decision, Kucinich's decision shows he is just a typical politician, unwilling to abide by his principles. Shows he was never capable of being president, to so easily bend under a little pressure.
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He can't stand by his principles. He’s a representative of his district. He has to look out for his 18% unemployed constituents and 37% uninsured. If he didn't have constituents, he could stick with principles and hold out for a bill more to his liking. But he's too far left, America will never pass a bill to his liking.

Posted by: madstamina | March 17, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

For the benefit of the (as usual) uninformed righties bashing Dennis for “Bankrupting” Cleveland in the late 70’s, here’s why they still vote for him in overwhelming numbers up there:
The reason Cleveland went bankrupt was that the Cleveland Trust Company demanded payment for debts that had previously been routinely deferred. They did this to try to force then-mayor Kucinich to sell Muni Electric, which was at that time owned by THE PEOPLE OF CLEVELAND. When he refused to sell, the Mafia put out a hit on him (if I were the Tea Bag type, this is where I’d call all righties ‘organized-crime supporters’, since vague, tenuous connections are their specialty). As a result of his huevos of steel, he saved the people of Cleveland millions of dollars and spanked the Big Money Boys trying to force a public company to privatize (the ultimate goal of every capital C Conservative). The people of Cleveland threw him out of office, but came to realize that Kucinich was right. He was broke and out of politics, when the people of Cleveland called on him to run for Congress. Yes, you heard right; THEY ASKED HIM, a pipsqueak freak of a Liberal with a capital “L”, and the steel and industry blue collars of Cleveland ASKED HIM TO RUN. Then they promptly rewarded his “bankrupting” of them by sending him to Washington.

Feel all educated now, righties? Now run along and find something else to cry about, because this dude will never lose as long as he runs. Anyone who says different must enjoy disappointment.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | March 17, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama is killing/capturing more terrorists than Bush did at a much lower price.

Health INSURANCE is long overdue for federal reforms. Real people, with non-government jobs, who pay into and don't collect SS or medicare, who have to deal with insurance companies, have known this for years.

If Obama can get control of the deficit, he certainly gets this Republican's vote in 2012.

Posted by: jboogie1 | March 17, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Must be painful to have your backbone removed.

Posted by: lbvanhoy | March 17, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse


I've posted on the WAPO for over ayear without calling names, HOWEVER-----
Kucinich is a G.D., low-lifed, M-f-ing, P.O.S., S.O.B. of low moral fiber, and Obama is no better.
.

Posted by: Billw3 | March 17, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

emailed to kucinich
You are a sell out to the people of Ohio

-----------------------------------------

The unemployment rate in Ohio is in the 15% range. Do you think they have health care?

Posted by: sr31 | March 17, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

emailed to kucinich
You are a sell out to the people of Ohio and the people of the US. What did you get bribed with to vote for the tax-welfare healthscare bill? You are a yellow belly, chicken crap politician that WILL be voted out. You are no better than the rest of the crooked politicians around you. A real crook. Stealing from the people. I hope the people of Ohio boo you everywhere you show up. I hope they run you out of the state. You are a real turn coat. You, like many in the govt. have no honor. How does it feel to be spineless.

Sincerely, WE THE PEOPLE ( the majority),

Posted by: curb1 | March 17, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Re: Congressman Kucinich's support for the Obamacare bill:

This should come as no surprise to anyone. He is a left wing liberal who believes in BIG GOVERNMENT solutions and entitlements, of which he is a recipient along with other Senators and Congressmen who shamelessly feed at the government trough. This bill, if it passes, will definitely have long term repercussions of a negative nature. This is not to say we don't need legitimate health care reform and that this proposed legislation does not have some good elements in it, but it is the wrong way to go because it currently does NOT HAVE BROAD support of the AMERICAN PUBLIC whom it is ostensibly designed to serve and it contains far too many "UNKNOWNS" for such far reaching legislation.

Posted by: deserteagle1 | March 17, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

kucinich opposed this for over a year. so for a year he knew the language of this bill but suddenly overnight he has a change of heart? what does that say about the man? who would elect to send him in to battle for them again? will he recognize resignation is far better than furhter embarrassment at the polls when it comes to re-electing him? or will he do a Dorgan-Dodd-Bayh?

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 17, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

kucinich opposed this for over a year. so for a year he knew the language of this bill but suddenly overnight he has a change of heart? what does that say about the man? who would elect to send him in to battle for them again? resign Kucinich; it will be money saved.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 17, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

how does america feel about all this?
obama is polling at his very worse consistently for the past few weeks. today Gallup has him at 46. but go right ahead administration and pretend scott brown is not in the room. your eyes will be wide open in november this year and 2012.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 17, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Another Democrat sold out his principles. What a surprise! The Democratic Party I grew up with is gone. Now It's just a corporate sell out party. I hope to God this bill does not pass. The health insurance industry will keep raising its prices, and we will be forced to pay under IRS penalty. My premiums have just gone up, and if they go up any higher I won't be able to afford it.

Posted by: sunnyday1 | March 17, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Whether you or approve or disapprove his decision, Kucinich's decision shows he is just a typical politician, unwilling to abide by his principles. Shows he was never capable of being president, to so easily bend under a little pressure.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | March 17, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

another obvious bribe.
this administration has no shame nor does dennis specifically but this admin is bringing out the weak personalities of many.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 17, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

We all know that insurance reform is 60 years past due. But you can never have overreaching policy changes. It always must come incrementally. This is a good first step, they will weed out the problems and correct them and better the program as time passes. The White House would have been wrong to force their bill down the throats of America. They are basically passing a Republican bill and that's fine. It's a step in the right direction and much better than taking no action at all.

Posted by: madstamina | March 17, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

JoeTH,
It was actually Gomer Pyle who used to say "SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!"
I figured you would know that, since you are so plainly a Goober...

Posted by: cjbass55 | March 17, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Every loony-left d-crat socialist has his price. For kucinich, it was a ride on AF1 plus a Popsicle.

Posted by: TeaPartyPatriot | March 17, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

What was it two or three states, and of course in the Sow: Geoja, Tex that the GOP won thier support for McCain. You can keep em, and we will kick again in November, we have the numbers -- Electoral College.

Posted by: solid3 | March 17, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

That the worst Congressman in America continues to make terrible decisions is not surprising. He bankrupted Cleveland, literally, in 1978, and bankrupting America is no big deal to him.

Dennis! does what is good for him, and never considers his district. He pretends to be principled, but went from a Pro Life Catholic to a Patial Birth Abortion loving New Age "Spiritualist". Of course, he still pretends to be Catholic to get votes.

Kucnich has and always will benefit just one person, Dennis Kucinich.

Posted by: Pythagoris | March 17, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Another one gives up his principles. . . .I wonder what kind of secret deal he got? Probably better the Ben Nelson.

Posted by: sarno | March 17, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see action and not excuses.

While I know a single payer national health care plan would be cheaper and deliver more health care than our current system, this is a good first start, just as the original Medicare and Medicaid and VA benefits were a good first start that our nation has improved with time.

Keep playing hardball and taking names, President Obama!

Your nation is glad you're getting things done and kicking the America-hating Republicant Party of No to the curb!

Posted by: WillSeattle | March 17, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

For the supporters of this bill, if it passes say bye bye to grandpa and grandma. By supporting this bill you are supporting rationing for the elderly.

This bill creates a host of panels, committees, commissions and boards to control rates, medical procedures, compensation and yes, health care rationing. This is the control the Obama administration is after. It's not about health care, it's about control.

If you believe this is not true you are buying into another Obama, Reid and Pelosi lie. All the hullabaloo is just a smoke screen

Posted by: thehamptons1 | March 17, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Obama, Pelosi, and the Liberal Media is that they don't understand one critical element - we ALL want healthcare reform. Republicans, Democrats, liberals, conservatives, etc. all want to make our healthcare system better than it is today. The consistent message eminating from the public and some political leaders is that the current HCR bill is not the kind of reform we want.

Posted by: bmayhewbz@hotmail.com | March 17, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

This bill will pass.. Has many good aspects in it.. What I disagree is how the Dems are going about this bill... If it passes will it will need work for many many generations to come... The Repubs. have voiced their opposition to it.. They are in position to be the majority power in the House in a few months.. What will this mean to the bill...

Posted by: robinhood2 | March 17, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

KUCINICH WAS BLACKMAILED ON AIR ONE.


Remember, Obama took him the other day for a 'ride' on air.

I still support Kucinich. HE WAS BLACKMAILED.

Posted by: coqui44 | March 17, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I've always been a supporter of Dennis Kucinich. No more. He's just another political prostitute.

I have to wonder about the ride on AF-1. Was it Obama or Michelle that changed his vote?

Posted by: thehamptons1 | March 17, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

It really wants to make me cry.

They found Kucinich's weakness spot.

No, it was not money.

They must have found some scheleton in the closet, like a mistress or a boyfriend.

It was not money. IT WAS BLACKMAIL.

Our president took him for a ride on Air One and blackmailed Kucinich on air.


Wow.

Posted by: coqui44 | March 17, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

SURPRISE! SURPRISE! as Barney Fife used to say. Watching this lap dog panting down the stairs behind Obama was a leading indicator. Two peas in a pod.

Posted by: JoeTH | March 17, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Hurrah for the Washington Post! In their capacity as communications arm of the Democratic Party, they can report something they think is positive for the monstrous takeover of our healthcare system by the Socialist regime of Barrack Obama!


Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!

Posted by: Indpnt1 | March 17, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse


djudge1
"What a low life worm."

G.D., low-lifed, M-f-ing, P.O.S., S.O.B. of low moral fiber.
.

Posted by: Billw3 | March 17, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Keep yakking, Goobers, but this one is OVER. HCR will be the law of the land.
Let's see; 1) kept the economy from collapsing. 2) Health Care for ALL Americans 3) Jobs bill through Congress 4)Killing bad guys in Afghanistan. All in less than two years.
Not bad for a "mere" community organizer, eh Goobers?
Obama kicks GOP butt in 2012, wait and see!!

Posted by: cjbass55 | March 17, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse


Kucinich is a lily-livered red-necked brown-baggin' hillbilly, and he won't be allowed to eat in the lunch room.
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Posted by: Billw3 | March 17, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"I have no principles, I can be bought at the right price" should be the motto of all politicians.

Posted by: Tostitos | March 17, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

So Kucinich still has reservations?
Make your reservations back home, Sir...November is coming up fast and better prepare for your next "job" back home. The exodus based on the next election will be overwhelming!

Posted by: SeniorVet | March 17, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

What a low life worm. We are now speeding down the path to total socialism thanks to continued acts of cowardism by members of congress. As we hurl ourselves into bankrupcy with yet another unsupportable entitlement program that is broken from the start, we joint the ranks of England, France and Greece in destroying our economy...way to go demotaxes!

Posted by: djudge1 | March 17, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Republicans...your Fear and Smear tactics no longer works. Americans are not afraid anymore. Go back to walking the dark alleyways and hiding in the shadows. Yes,America is not afraid anymore...

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 17, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

madmike272 ...Ya. How much transparency did your boy George Bush have. look who is calling the kettle black. Republicans do not like it when Dems fight back. Get used to it. Your party is toast in the fall. What are you going to do. Run against Healthcare for 30 million more people...

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 17, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

GOP = a wholly owned subsidiary of the Health Insurance companies and have always been.

Posted by: basket | March 17, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Vote the bum out this fall.

Posted by: tjhall1 | March 17, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

RealTexan1...who are you kidding...Republicans never had respect for Democrats..who are you trying to kid....

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 17, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it. Crazy Kucinich is about as nuts as you can be and still be allowed to walk around without adult supervision. I wonder what kind of secret deal the president gave him while on Air Force One? So much for transparency.

Posted by: madmike272 | March 17, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

How weak. Just lost all respect for this person.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | March 17, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey Republicans. Remember how you told the DEMS for years...America love it or leave it......Well....Republicans... America love it or leave it....

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The ONLY folks who could possible be in favor of this hugely bureaucratic and soon-to-be very costly "Health Care Reform" are those still in high school or have a paper-route as a middle-schooler.

Remember, boys and girls, when you get out of school and (try to) get a job, it's going to be YOUR money that pays for this awful legislation.

I'm old; I'm going to get Medicare in a couple of years and YOU are going to be paying for me and my wife. Thanks in advance for your idiotic "loyalty" to those who would have you think you're getting "change"...

Posted by: Greg_12 | March 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

state82...Another boneheaded comment by a right wing nutcase....

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 17, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I am in wonder at just how fast politicians like Kucinich will sell their health-care vote for a ride on Air Force One and a shout-out by Obama to a small gathering of 1,400 Ohioans.

Posted by: Conservator | March 17, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I do not think we have enough crying towels for all these Republicans on this site. Quit crying...You are going to lose this battle so dust yourself and carry on. I

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 17, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I am sanctimonious? What are you? How do you square away abortion with being a Christian? This health bill allows tax dollars to pay for abortions. If you are truly a Christian then this bill is DOA for you. You are only pretending to be a Christian from what I see. Like I said, take your fake moral blackmail and shove it. You libtards are too easy to spot when you a pretending to be something you are not.

Posted by: MikeJ9116
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Most Xtian sects do not oppose abortion, sir.

They had a good education in science and they know the difference between a fetus and a baby.


Posted by: francis4 | March 17, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

RE...I am in wonder at just how fast these folks will sell their soul to the devil.

You must be talking about Republicans and how they sold their soul to the Big Insurance Companies...

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 17, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Now if only other wavering Dems can find their spines. Why are they worried about losing votes from people who were not going to vote for them anyway? And as for the anti-abortion crowd led by Stupak, I just wish they cared as much about people already delivered from the womb as they do about those not yet conceived!

Posted by: mingkeeper | March 17, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I am in wonder at just how fast these folks will sell their soul to the devil.

Posted by: Philwamock | March 17, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Next Up: Brian Baird. He is my representative in congress. But he has many times acted more like a Republican than a Democrat, for example in the Terri Schiavo issue he sided with the R's. Now he has said he won't run again. So why wouldn't he support it? If he votes against it, and votes against his party and his constituents, then it is only because he is about to turn Republican. Disgusting. Never again would I support him. Democrats should vote with Democrats, especially in these nail biting issues. Wavering D's, we will remember you next time you won't be able to live this down if you vote NO.

Posted by: larry9 | March 17, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Aww come on Denis, you know your stepping in **** do something about it. At least tell me you got the "states can create their own sp systems" back in there.

-From a single payer supporter

Posted by: alex35332 | March 17, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday our president, Obama, paid this male prostitute for his services.

Posted by: state82
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How much do you get paid by the insurance companies to post idiocies like these.

Posted by: jlm062002 | March 17, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse
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jlm062002, you are an idiot. The fact that the Insurance Companies are set to make substantially more money due to this health bill because everyone will be forced to buy coverage is one of the reasons why Kucinich was against the bill in the first place. and If you don't think he was bought you are either a lier or an idiot.

Posted by: bobilly2 | March 17, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse


"The vote promises to be extremely close, and Pelosi has made clear that it will be a decisive test of party loyalty for all Democrats."

"Party loyalty?"

How about loyalty to America, or at least one's Congressional district.

Only about 20% or so of Americans believe their Congress is doing a good job for America.

With the Tea Baggers, and the independent voters, any member of Congress who puts loyalty to Speaker Pelosi before loyalty to the Nation risks being voted out of office in the November Purge.

Support Pelosi, lose your seat.

That's how I see it.


Posted by: Soloflexerus | March 17, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

If Dems want to get CRUSHED in the next election by the Republican lunatics, then they should pass the so called health care bill that they have introduced in Dec/09 which dose not have a real Public Option yet it mandates people to buy health care from the same for profit health care companies that have brought us the current bankrupting health care system. Because it is so bad as it is that it makes the Republican lunatics and the current health care system look good...

OTOH, if Dems want to CRUSH the Republican lunatics, which means the agents of Big Pharma, Big Insurance, in the next election, then they should pass real and strong Public Option or the much better single payer health care, because then they can show what complete lunatics Republicans are to be for the current health care system in the US which is bankrupting the American people and thus government, plus killing 50,000 Americans per year at least due to being denied health care and sending at least 2Mill Americans per year into bankruptcy and many other atrocities due to the current health care that benefits the super rich that control the Big Pharma & Big Insurance at the back of the American middle class.

More details here:
http://anoox.com/blog/Real_News.38034

Posted by: RealNews1 | March 17, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

The one thing I used to admire about Kucinich was that he was fully invested in his crazy. No matter what he stuck by his values. I used to listen to what he had to say because he meant it and stuck by it.

Now he is just another liberal Democrat Prostitute.

Posted by: robtr | March 17, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

This bill is a huge bonanza for the health care insurance industry.

The great majority of the American people wanted single payer, over 60%. Our representatives, who are supposed to represent us, told us,"no, you can't have single payer because we are beholden to the insurance corporations, not you."

If you check out the voting record of the House which is posted here at WaPo today, note where all the representatives who are opposed to health reform come from, the percentage of people in their district without health insurance, and how much money the insurance industry gave them. We have a totally corrupt system of governance that will never change until every last dime is taken out of politics no matter what our far right wing reactionary Supreme Court says.

Our elected representatives are rubbing their corruption in our faces and asking us what we are going to do about it.

The corruption and ruination of this country began with a decadent right wing philosophy of government that started with Reagan. It is a philosophy that serves rich corporations but not the people. It is a philosophy that under some ruse or other such as "low taxes" or "limited government" opens the coffers of the national treasury to the rich and powerful and closes them those of modest means.

To be a Republican or a tea bagger is to believe in a government of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations.

Enjoy it, Republicans and tea baggers and wait and see how much they rob from your children and grand children.

Posted by: francis4 | March 17, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

LISTEN TO US!

Health care is a very personal matter and there are very real consequences to how Congress approaches this issue and what the results are. If there were ever an issue that calls for thoughtful, bipartisan cooperation in Congress, it is health care reform. Responsible reform will:
•Lower costs and offer greater access to affordable health care.


•Prevent increases in government spending.


•Say no to government-managed health care.


•Create high-risk insurance pools to guarantee that all Americans, regardless of pre-existing conditions, are able to access affordable health care.


•End junk lawsuits and curb the cost of defensive medicine through medical liability reform models with a proven track record at the state level.


•Allow small businesses to pool together and offer health care to employees at lower prices.


•Allow Americans to shop for coverage and buy insurance across state lines.


•Allow dependents to remain on their parents’ insurance policies through age 25.

Posted by: eriksorenson
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WE LISTENED TO YOU!
Some of your ideas are good, and are in the bill. Some are stupid, and are not. Now, shut the Fuque up.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | March 17, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday our president, Obama, paid this male prostitute for his services.

Posted by: state82
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How much do you get paid by the insurance companies to post idiocies like these.

Posted by: jlm062002 | March 17, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich is a sensible citizen, He knows the present bill is far better than the status quo and a failure to pass it will set back reform for years.
An expansion of our present Public Plan can come later. Our huge Public Plan covers already more than half America's population. The plan is not the problem; the problem is that the insured minority is paying for the plan, the uninsured and the 12-20 million illegals that get their primary care in our Emergency rooms and Hospitals- a very bad deal for this minority-which is why their private premiums continue to escalate rapidly and will soon break their back.

Posted by: lionelroger | March 17, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday our president, Obama, paid this male prostitute for his services.

Posted by: state82 | March 17, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

...How do you square away abortion with being a Christian? This health bill allows tax dollars to pay for abortions. ...

Posted by: MikeJ9116
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This is a misrepresentation. the Bill does not change existing law on abortion. It is true that Gov funding both federal and state has ALWAYS paid for abortions in instances pertaining to the health of the mother (that is where the mother would die if the pregnancy is continued). Yet, you attempt to bootstrap the proposition that the bill will now allow Gov to pay willy nilly for abortion, which is not true. the bill does not change existing law on abortion--which you would have realized if you actually read the bill.

Posted by: jlm062002 | March 17, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

About 2-weeks ago this scumbag was on C-SPAN stating, rightly so, the only beneficiary of this crap are the insurance companies, what a sellout. OB must give one helluva BJ

Posted by: goziner | March 17, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Now this is a SHOCK, couldn't predict this now could we!

DUMP IT / START OVER-

Stand Up To Pelosi and Reid. If you don't you will be gone in the next term!

LISTEN TO US!

Health care is a very personal matter and there are very real consequences to how Congress approaches this issue and what the results are. If there were ever an issue that calls for thoughtful, bipartisan cooperation in Congress, it is health care reform. Responsible reform will:
•Lower costs and offer greater access to affordable health care.


•Prevent increases in government spending.


•Say no to government-managed health care.


•Create high-risk insurance pools to guarantee that all Americans, regardless of pre-existing conditions, are able to access affordable health care.


•End junk lawsuits and curb the cost of defensive medicine through medical liability reform models with a proven track record at the state level.


•Allow small businesses to pool together and offer health care to employees at lower prices.


•Allow Americans to shop for coverage and buy insurance across state lines.


•Allow dependents to remain on their parents’ insurance policies through age 25.

Posted by: eriksorenson | March 17, 2010 12:51 PM |
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I would add: allow health/medical savings accounts, UNATTACHED to insurance plans, for those who prefer to self-fund for routine/preventive costs/catastrophic care (if they are fortunate enough to be able to this), and thereby lower/premiums (sorry for previous typos)

Posted by: maryckk | March 17, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I love these anal pore Repukes who are mad at Dennis, and completely forget that if he had his way we would have a single payer health system.

Posted by: daweeni | March 17, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Now this is a SHOCK, couldn't predict this now could we!

DUMP IT / START OVER-

Stand Up To Pelosi and Reid. If you don't you will be gone in the next term!

LISTEN TO US!

Health care is a very personal matter and there are very real consequences to how Congress approaches this issue and what the results are. If there were ever an issue that calls for thoughtful, bipartisan cooperation in Congress, it is health care reform. Responsible reform will:
•Lower costs and offer greater access to affordable health care.


•Prevent increases in government spending.


•Say no to government-managed health care.


•Create high-risk insurance pools to guarantee that all Americans, regardless of pre-existing conditions, are able to access affordable health care.


•End junk lawsuits and curb the cost of defensive medicine through medical liability reform models with a proven track record at the state level.


•Allow small businesses to pool together and offer health care to employees at lower prices.


•Allow Americans to shop for coverage and buy insurance across state lines.


•Allow dependents to remain on their parents’ insurance policies through age 25.

Posted by: eriksorenson | March 17, 2010 12:51 PM |
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I would add: allow health/medical savings accounts, UNATTACHED to insurance plans, for those who prefer to self-fund for routine/preventive costs/catastrophic care (if they are fortunate enough to be able to this), and thereby alower/premiums premiums

Posted by: maryckk | March 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Better half a loaf than none.

Posted by: jato11 | March 17, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Better half a loaf than none.

Posted by: jato11 | March 17, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I am sanctimonious? What are you? How do you square away abortion with being a Christian?

Posted by: MikeJ9116
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Who said I was a Christian? I don't need anyone telling me what God wants, I let Him do that. That way, I don't have to be a judgmental tool like you.

Also, Ajax2, you are a lying scum who is so low you have to look up at the bottom of a piece of dog poop and would be beaten stupid in the public square and then banished from civilized society if there was any justice. Being a bitter loser won't get you out of Mommy's basement, son.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | March 17, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I will vote for you Dennis, Good Job...please pass this nation's real need....we need to pass this real need, health care reform....thanks...pres. obama, please sign the bill soon...thanks...I vote for you....

Posted by: kishen1 | March 17, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse


KUCINICH GOT A CHANCE TO TAKE A DUMP ON AIR FORCE ONE AND THAT RELEAVED HIM OF ALL THE PRINCIPLE HE HAS!!

FOR YEARS KUCINICH HAS RUN FOR PRESIDENT UNDER THE BANNER OF PRINICPLE!!!!!!

WOW DENNIS THE MENACE IS NOW A DEAD POLITICIAN LIKE THE REST!!

Posted by: jjcrocket3 | March 17, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

This individual received some type of pork barrel project added for his state. He went against his values. He is like all of the other supporters of having we the people pay for abortions. Its a terrible thing to think that what will get individuals to turn away from their values. If you are not true to your convictions then you are not worthy to be a voice for the people. This whole process has shown we the people how much dishonesty, greed, secret works and other evil combinations are being introduced more into the government than every before. You have this whole administration and their supporters doing everything that is not common to get this bill passed. Doesn't anyone realize that this has been Obama agenda from the get go. He has discriminated against every worker that is not union and has penalized them for their right to work. Freedom is slowly slipping away from the USA and their is a plan already in action to make this county socialized and to have a King. There is a bill table to end the term limits for president so they can get Obama as King. That will never happen in this country because this country is based upon freedom and the constitution is being attacked every day to bring it down. The constitution will never be brought down for when it seems to be at its last days it will be saved by righteous individuals that believe that this great country was saved for the last days so a greater plan that will be established on the land. No one can deter it from happening. Even Harry Reid as he went against his church's beliefs can not derail this process. Have fun now but there is a time appointed for everyone to make a recalling of his life and what a day that will be, when all of those individuals that supported abortions, corruption in the government, and all types of evil works in the government and in the common place will be brought down.

Posted by: josephbocek | March 17, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

What is all this?

The Trailer Trash posts?

Posted by: jfern03

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Who knows, look out your window and see what your neighbors in the trailer court are doing

Posted by: Straightline | March 17, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

That must be one heii of an airplane to sell your soul for a ride in. Funny how cheep these lawmakers can be had for.

Posted by: justlookin | March 17, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich demonstrates he was rolled,bought and sold in spite of his babble about core convictions and wanting to take a stand on a despised bill.If honor and principle have to be sacrificed for personal gain,Dennis has made the case that as a world class certified Liberal,you bow to survival and expediency.Kucinich earns the Judas Iscariot Award from the majority of Buckeyes who loathe Obamacare.

Posted by: bowspray | March 17, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Now this is a SHOCK, couldn't predict this now could we!

DUMP IT / START OVER-

Stand Up To Pelosi and Reid. If you don't you will be gone in the next term!

LISTEN TO US!

Health care is a very personal matter and there are very real consequences to how Congress approaches this issue and what the results are. If there were ever an issue that calls for thoughtful, bipartisan cooperation in Congress, it is health care reform. Responsible reform will:
•Lower costs and offer greater access to affordable health care.


•Prevent increases in government spending.


•Say no to government-managed health care.


•Create high-risk insurance pools to guarantee that all Americans, regardless of pre-existing conditions, are able to access affordable health care.


•End junk lawsuits and curb the cost of defensive medicine through medical liability reform models with a proven track record at the state level.


•Allow small businesses to pool together and offer health care to employees at lower prices.


•Allow Americans to shop for coverage and buy insurance across state lines.


•Allow dependents to remain on their parents’ insurance policies through age 25.

Posted by: eriksorenson | March 17, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

...How do you square away abortion with being a Christian? This health bill allows tax dollars to pay for abortions. ...

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | March 17, 2010 12:25 PM

Unfortunately, the bill doesn't use tax dollars for pay for abortions any more than there's a death panel.

But to your first question. If you're familiar with the Bible it's not rocket science. Abortion was perfectly legal under Mosaic Law. If you have any doubt of that look at the Jewish State of Israel which has legal abortion and a "socialist" health care system that performs them. I haven't seen any pro-life people worry about all the $ Billions of tax dollars headed to Israel every year. Presumably, you don't care about murdering Jew babies.

Most don't seem to make it past the beatitudes in the Sermon on the Mount where Jesus says: 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Jesus was a Jew; the Jews permitted abortion and still do; and Jesus said He didn't come to change the law. If you were Christian you would be pro-choice.

Posted by: James10 | March 17, 2010 12:41 PM
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Don't leave out the most important part of your reference, "...to fulfill them..." - Fulfilling the law of Moses ("Thou shalt not kill") would point to being pro-life.

Posted by: maryckk | March 17, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are fuqing lunatics as you can see from many of these forum posts. Thank God we threw them out of power and destroyed their agenda.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 17, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse


Kucinich.

Dead man walking.

Posted by: wmpowellfan | March 17, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Dennis "I've seen aliens" Kucinich. Seen this coming for a couple of months. Knew this little twit wouldn't stand by his convictions.

Bet Skanklosi and Obummer didn't even have to twist his arm too hard. Just promise that you will screw America with single payer later and tell him some sweet little lies. Men and I use the term loosely of his diminutive stature have no business representing the American people

Posted by: Straightline | March 17, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Well, good. One more vote. This bill, with all its flaws, needs to pass.

Health care costs are a nightmare. With the economy in a tailspin, it will only get worse.

We need the public option. Maybe next year.


Posted by: amelia45 | March 17, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Dennis had to call a press conference to tell everyone his decision.

If that doesn't tell you that 3/4 of his original opposition was an ego-centric cry for attention, I don't know what does.

Gee, Dennis, thanks a lot. You're so freaking awesome! I hope we can find a decent Democrat to run against you in the primaries. Plenty of voters are tired of your quixotic grandstanding.

Posted by: js_edit | March 17, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

One liberal scumbag bought out by another in the executive branch.
If there were some capable reporters out there they might find out what the price for Judas Kucinich's vote was.
Seems like I heard his wife will be getting some press with Ms Odumbo. Not a real hefty price for selling out his constituents.

Posted by: LarryG62 | March 17, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: maryckk
...umm...Mike...this post was to say follow Jesus' message in your OWN life, but don't force others (e.g. American voters) to live under your forced flawed plan to accomplish what you believe should be done.
-from a staunch pro-life, anti-abortion adherent
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I see. Sorry for the mistake. I am a little worked up this morning. ;)

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | March 17, 2010 12:29 PM |
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I appreciate that, Mike...I am frustrated by all this, and I am afraid for our country too.
Happy St. Patrick's Day. St. Patrick rid Ireland of snakes. Maybe he will do the same, and rid us from our elected "snakes".

Posted by: maryckk | March 17, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Good job Dennis. Pass the bill!

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 17, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

THE PRESIDENTIAL OATH ONCE TAKEN MUST BE KEPT
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. This oath once taken represents a solemn and unreserved commitment to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. The stress, challenges and pressures that confront the president’s office on a daily basis requires his absolute and unreserved commitment to this oath.

We are living today in a situational ethos which allows a deceitful type of reasoning to abrogate other important oaths including the one in marriage “to love and to cherish.” Our nation rightly expects that the American President is committed to the United States Constitution in its present form and his oath of office. The idea that any Presidential affirmation would offer less than absolute loyalty to the Constitution’s preservation, protection and defense would be repugnant at a minimum and grounds for impeachment at the maximum.
The presidency has never been a single issue office. The founders however, provided a methodology for the passage of laws based upon members and their votes as prescribed by the Constitution. “Deeming” a bill passed in lieu of the constitutionally prescribed means of congressional voting is, in my opinion unconstitutional, whatever the issue. The constitution is more than a guide and the presidential oath exceeds being just a formality of recitation. Any President who has undertaken this most solemn affirmation in front of his fellow citizens is obligated to the best of his ability, to preserve, protect and defend this great document.

There are no constitutional provisions to merely set aside those voting procedures with which a President disagrees. This nation is a representative democracy and as such is not to be a party to closed room deals, swaps, and bribes. Our constitution was so well written by the founders that the amendments have been minimal and few. The constitution is revered internationally and taught in many international classrooms and law schools.
Frankly, although primarily a grandfather, living in the greatest country on the face of the earth, I will gladly in my normal life’s work do all I can to preserve. protect and defend our Constitution, by speaking on behalf of freedom and liberty.

Dr. Alan Phillips
March 17, 2010.

Posted by: ctw46 | March 17, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

...How do you square away abortion with being a Christian? This health bill allows tax dollars to pay for abortions. ...

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | March 17, 2010 12:25 PM

Unfortunately, the bill doesn't use tax dollars for pay for abortions any more than there's a death panel.

But to your first question. If you're familiar with the Bible it's not rocket science. Abortion was perfectly legal under Mosaic Law. If you have any doubt of that look at the Jewish State of Israel which has legal abortion and a "socialist" health care system that performs them. I haven't seen any pro-life people worry about all the $ Billions of tax dollars headed to Israel every year. Presumably, you don't care about murdering Jew babies.

Most don't seem to make it past the beatitudes in the Sermon on the Mount where Jesus says: 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Jesus was a Jew; the Jews permitted abortion and still do; and Jesus said He didn't come to change the law. If you were Christian you would be pro-choice.

Posted by: James10 | March 17, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey, wasn't Kucinich part of the Brady Quinn trade to Denver? What's he still doing in Cleveland?

Also, check out that photo post! Does he look constipated, or what? Perhaps our Speaker provided him with the laxative he was looking for???

Posted by: mikewoolsey | March 17, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich should get back on his UFO and fly away. His ideology is as bankrupt as the dozens of countries and states where it is practiced.

Posted by: NAuchi | March 17, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: maryckk
Change your own heart is one message of Jesus. Be an example of "do unto others..." to convince others. Forcing others to do one's will is not a message of Jesus.
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How about this:
- Want women to be able to have abortions that kill pre-born children? Fund a private agency that gets NO federal moneys, or pay for it yourself; don't force the Amercan people to pay to kill pre-born children.
- Want persons who can't afford or qualify for health care insurance? Set up a a private agency that gets NO federal funds or pay for it yourself; don't mandate amercian citizens have to buy health care insurance.
- Follow your heart and put your own money there
- Don't force your will to do these things on the American people to pay for them

Posted by: maryckk | March 17, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

What is all this?

The Trailer Trash posts?

Posted by: jfern03 | March 17, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Isn't this the same guy who bankrupted Cleveland when he was mayor? He has a screw loose and has just had his vote bought by Mr. Obama. I don't think it's something that will be added to the health care bill. But keep an eye on the goodies floating towards Ohio.

Posted by: Hairless | March 17, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The following message was sent to Rep Dennis Kucinich 3/17/2010

The right knows the left will eventually sell out and you did. I sold health insurance for twenty years. The sad part is you got nothing of consequence. This current bill, especially with the Cadillac Tax, will destroy the middle class. While citizens and insurance companies will be subsidized on the front end, the insurance companies will cut their losses at the other end by raising unregulated deductibles, co-pays and stop losses to avoid paying the tax. The so-called protection against losing coverage for pre-existing conditions doesn't take effect for ADULTS for at least four years. Even then, the insurance companies can charge up to 300% increases in premiums and dump people into high risk pools to cut their losses and increase profits. Regarding rescission, the same people will be defining and deciding who commits fraud and abuse as they do now. In other words, this is "reform" in name only. By the way, it was laughable when you mentioned encouraging healthier life styles. That is in there as a way for the insurance companies to charge more for higher risk life styles etc. Does the consumer play a role in defining the circumstances? No. What about the person who has gained weight due to medication for an illness? Now they have another way to cut the insurance companies' losses and blame it on the consumer. Sorry, Dennis, but you looked like a fool today and frankly, you blew it.

Posted by: ArizonaRoadrunner | March 17, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Dennis, you are a ball less wonder. What were you offered? You are a worthless piece of scum just like the whole Democratic Party. The Dems are dead if this passes. What a thug Obama is. I can only hope that once the Repubulicans get control, the first thuing they will do is start impeachment proceedings for that idiot of a president and charges against all teh rest of you Dem scum. The people are SICK of you not listening.

Posted by: cjgh | March 17, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

CALL YOU DEMOCRATIC SENATOR AND REPRESENTATIVE AND TELL THEM TO VOTE "NO" on this fiscally-irresponsible and corrupt legislation.
Find your representative: http://www.votesmart.org/
Find your senator: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
CALL NOW! VOTING WILL HAPPEN QUICKLY!

Posted by: easttxisfreaky | March 17, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: maryckk
...umm...Mike...this post was to say follow Jesus' message in your OWN life, but don't force others (e.g. American voters) to live under your forced flawed plan to accomplish what you believe should be done.
-from a staunch pro-life, anti-abortion adherent
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I see. Sorry for the mistake. I am a little worked up this morning. ;)

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | March 17, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mhr614
Typical liberal integrity. Bribe Dennis with an airplane ride and he'll follow you anywhere.
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Dennis is just like every other slimy politician. His vote can be bought.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | March 17, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Dennis! I'm so glad that health care reform may finally start happening.

The ugliness of the extreme anti-reform voices on this site are puzzling. Where is all this bitterness coming from?

My home has never burned down, and I've never been in an accident on a highway, so I figure I've paid a lot of taxes to pay for firemen and paramedics to help others who have. Are some over-paid, probably. I pay for books in the library I don't read, I pay for the education of kids who are not mine, I pay for the upkeep of public parks that I don't use all that much. Is this a bunch of socialism that we should get rid of.

Sorry, but I don't want to live in a society where there are no public taxes supporting the public good. Where there are no public taxes helping the blind, lame, and poor.

If we are going to borrow money from China to involve ourselves in countless foreign wars, we might as borrow a little more an pay for healthcare for the poor.

Posted by: Geot | March 17, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Figures! Wonder who bought him off? Hopefully the people in his district are watching carefully and vote him out of office!

Posted by: warhawk911 | March 17, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN
There's your answer....aye-holes like Mike only pretend to be Christian when they wish to chastise and rebuke. They do not hold themselves to any Christian standard, and will be wicked surprised if Jesus is there to meet them in the afterlife. They will also be very hellbound, unless you think Jesus likes sanctimonious tools like Mike.
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I am sanctimonious? What are you? How do you square away abortion with being a Christian? This health bill allows tax dollars to pay for abortions. If you are truly a Christian then this bill is DOA for you. You are only pretending to be a Christian from what I see. Like I said, take your fake moral blackmail and shove it. You libtards are too easy to spot when you a pretending to be something you are not.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | March 17, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Typical liberal integrity. Bribe Dennis with an airplane ride and he'll follow you anywhere.

Posted by: mhr614 | March 17, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: maryckk
Change your own heart is one message of Jesus. Be an example of "do unto others..." to convince others. Forcing others to do one's will is not a message of Jesus.
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You can take your moral blackmail and shove it too. You libtards have already tried this tactic and it didn't work. If you are really concerned about Jesus then you had better become Pro-Life or anti-abortion. Your Pro-Choice stance will be hard to explain when you are standing with Jesus face to face.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | March 17, 2010 12:03 PM
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...umm...Mike...this post was to say follow Jesus' message in your OWN life, but don't force others (e.g. American voters) to live under your forced flawed plan to accomplish what you believe should be done.
-from a staunch pro-life, anti-abortion adherent

Posted by: maryckk | March 17, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

So, what did he get in return?

Posted by: member8 | March 17, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Look at who is calling who an "idiot" Yes long distance name-calling fits your persona with the smear and sneer.

The results of the 08 elections are clear. People came out and voted. The 30-40 million who now have only insurance-care and no access to quality healthcare at all will be voting next time.

Posted by: elpaso

Once an idiot "always" an idiot! 30 million here, 47 million there. Hey idiot, only 10 million want healthcare coverage yet can't afford it. That number in itself doesn't require Obamacare. 2008 was more on Bush, who's been gone now idiot. The elections in VA, NJ and Mass were all about Obama and his radical agenda, idiot! Obama is "ONE AND DONE", the magic negrow no more!

DNC is DOA in 2010!
Biden/Obama are DOA in 2012!

RIP libs!!

Posted by: cschotta1 | March 17, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Two points:
What did you get in trade for your vote?
Why didn't you check with your constituents, rather than wife, friends, other politicians?

Posted by: boleson02 | March 17, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"Forgive them Jesus, for they know not what they say and do." Bye Bye friends and "yall have a nice day now, ya hear."

Posted by: elpaso | March 17, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Glad to hear you are on board, Dennis. Way to go.

Posted by: opinionpieces | March 17, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Boy oh boy.

Ever seen a more parasitic, cancer on the american working families than what the republican party is?

They are nothing but gatekeepers for corporate status quo. They don't know squat about fiscal restraint, yet talk about it out of their rear ends all day long.

The Jerry Springer crowds the "kill the bill" rallies as well as tea gatherings bring out are a real piece of work. These inbred fools think that republicans care about them?

The republican party is using them and will spit them out in a heartbeat once they have served the GOP's self serving interests.

That's what they did to America the nation.

Stupid fools are being played like a fiddle, railing against correcting the corporate abuses that keeps them on the verge of poverty. What idiots.

Posted by: jfern03 | March 17, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Dems deem means doom: for themselves (e.g. Mr. Kucinich), for the Ameerican people, and for the individual rights promised in the U.S. Constitution (but apparently not guaranteed by many elected officials).

Posted by: maryckk | March 17, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Look at who is calling who an "idiot" Yes long distance name-calling fits your persona with the smear and sneer.

The results of the 08 elections are clear. People came out and voted. The 30-40 million who now have only insurance-care and no access to quality healthcare at all will be voting next time.

Posted by: elpaso | March 17, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse


Barack Obama says he is determined to ram through his healthcare bill no matter what it takes.

And a top beneficiary remains the Homosexual Agenda.

The Homosexual Lobby would never let Obama get away with anything less. And now he’s hatched a plan to exploit Congress’ “reconciliation” process to rush this pro-homosexual payback through and foist upon America:

Homosexual “lifestyle” subsidies, which will grant $1,000+ in annual tax breaks to homosexual “couples,” encouraging their "lifestyle" on the taxpayer dime;


Traditional Marriage Penalties, crippling many families with over $10,000 per year in new taxes;


Explicit Sodomy Training Seminars financed by tens of millions of taxpayer dollars, directed at “educating” elementary school students in homosexual sex acts.

This is NOT about health care for the American people, it is about payback and control of 1/6 of Our economy.


Posted by: AJAX2 | March 17, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: elpaso
You ask, whwere are the so-called Christians, as this is a humanitarian issue. Most Christians I know and CINO'S, (christians in name only.) How sad.
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Take your moral blackmail and shove it.

Posted by: MikeJ9116
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There's your answer....aye-holes like Mike only pretend to be Christian when they wish to chastise and rebuke. They do not hold themselves to any Christian standard, and will be wicked surprised if Jesus is there to meet them in the afterlife. They will also be very hellbound, unless you think Jesus likes sanctimonious tools like Mike.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | March 17, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

The whole Kucinich thing was scripted by the White House and meant to appeal to Dennis's massive ego whose roots are little man disease. The White House gets a boost as if Obama is the Great Persuader.

Posted by: hz9604 | March 17, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Your Pro-Choice stance will be hard to explain when you are standing with Jesus face to face.

Posted by: MikeJ9116

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Mike - Please cite even one instance where Jesus talked about abortion. There are dozens of them where he talked about healing the sick, and helping "the least of us".

Enjoy your FauxNews Annotated edition of the Bible. The one where Jesus tells us who he would bomb and torture, etc. You people make me sick.

Posted by: B2O2 | March 17, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Passing a road sign that says Demon Pass, you realize you've entered the Valley of Voodoo Reform.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 17, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Either Koo-koonich got a bribe up in Air Force One, or quiet assurance that this is just the foot in the door, and the plan is indeed UK-style nationalized government-only healthcare.

Posted by: support6 | March 17, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse


Top 10 Reasons to Kill Senate Health Care Bill

1.Forces you to pay up to 8% of your income to private insurance corporations — whether you want to or not.
2.If you refuse to buy the insurance, you’ll have to pay penalties of up to 2% of your annual income to the IRS.
3.Many will be forced to buy poor-quality insurance they can’t afford to use, with $11,900 in annual out-of-pocket expenses over and above their annual premiums.
4.Massive restriction on a woman’s right to choose, designed to trigger a challenge to Roe v. Wade in the Supreme Court.
5.Paid for by taxes on the middle class insurance plan you have right now through your employer, causing them to cut back benefits and increase co-pays.
6.Many of the taxes to pay for the bill start now, but most Americans won’t see any benefits — like an end to discrimination against those with preexisting conditions — until 2014 when the program begins.
7.Allows insurance companies to charge people who are older 300% more than others.
8.Grants monopolies to drug companies that will keep generic versions of expensive biotech drugs from ever coming to market.
9.No re-importation of prescription drugs, which would save consumers $100 billion over 10 years.
10.The cost of medical care will continue to rise, and insurance premiums for a family of four will rise an average of $1,000 a year — meaning in 10 years, your family’s insurance premium will be $10,000 more annually than it is right now.


Posted by: easttxisfreaky | March 17, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

WE'RE NOT CLONES!! WE DON'T LIVE CLONED LIVES!! WE DON'T HAVE CLONED CIRCUMSTANCES!! AND WE SHOULD NOT HAVE CLONED HEALTH INSURANCE!!

Oops, sorry for the caps. Just looked up and saw them and corrected.

We're NOT a collective society; we're an individualist society in a collective body of people from different ethnicities, cultures, races, beliefs, and values. There should NOT be cookie-cutter health insurance.

We The People are NOT STEPFORD CITIZENS,, and we will NOT be treated as such. There are people who are willing to work to get theirs, instead of waiting like whelping pups for handouts from the government!!!!!

Those that want to be controlled by the government, then give it to the pups. But leave the rest of the GROWN FOLK alone to hadnle their OWN AFFAIRS!! Just regulate the insurance companies like you're supposed to. Oh. Wait- you can't do that, can you?

Posted by: obamaalmighT | March 17, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Pretty cheap sell out - he'd marked in 2010.

Posted by: sandynh | March 17, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Let me see - less than a week ago Kucinich was adammantly against this Health Bill and declared he would NOT vote for it.......then he rides with Obama in Air Force One and changes his mind - that is a bribe done right in front of the world media. I wonder if he did better than Ben Nelson's Nebraska buy-off?

Posted by: Realist20 | March 17, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Dennis wants working people to have the healthcare that he and all members of Congress have and not the insurance-care that we workers have. You CINO's will be judged for what you are. God Bless Dennis.

Posted by: elpaso | March 17, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Finally a Dem that grew a pair!

Posted by: Shingo56 | March 17, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: maryckk
Change your own heart is one message of Jesus. Be an example of "do unto others..." to convince others. Forcing others to do one's will is not a message of Jesus.
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You can take your moral blackmail and shove it too. You libtards have already tried this tactic and it didn't work. If you are really concerned about Jesus then you had better become Pro-Life or anti-abortion. Your Pro-Choice stance will be hard to explain when you are standing with Jesus face to face.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | March 17, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Kucinich is really cheap - a ride on Air Force One with the Pres. Must of really made the shrimp feel important!!! All the props that the Pres. uses is totally amazing. This bill STINKS and it's NOT ABOUT HEALTH CARE REFORM -- its about POWER totally. Hurry Nov. 2010and 2012!! That is if we are still a country or just another third world country begging for help from other countries that will probably laugh their heads off that we are in trouble!! Lord help us!!!!

Posted by: rjorda1954 | March 17, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

"...for a price, Ugarte, for a price..."

Posted by: maryckk | March 17, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse


I've never seen such corrupt and suckful dealings in Washington. Leaders with absolutely no morals. It's making most people really angry.
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Posted by: Billw3 | March 17, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: elpaso
You ask, whwere are the so-called Christians, as this is a humanitarian issue. Most Christians I know and CINO'S, (christians in name only.) How sad.
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Take your moral blackmail and shove it.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | March 17, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

You ask, whwere are the so-called Christians, as this is a humanitarian issue. Most Christians I know and CINO'S, (christians in name only.) How sad.

Posted by: elpaso |

It has nothing to do with healthcare idiot. And just another government entitlement program that will eventually become a financial menace, just like Medicare, medicaid and social security. When will you dorks ever learn?

Posted by: cschotta1 | March 17, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Change your own heart is one message of Jesus. Be an example of "do unto others..." to convince others. Forcing others to do one's will is not a message of Jesus.

Posted by: maryckk | March 17, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The sad thing is that President Obama put himself in this predicament of "something is better than nothing" by giving away the store at the start.

1.Took single payer, i.e., medicare for all, off the table from the very start even though that could have passed via reconciliation since medicare already exists.
2.Took re-importation of prescription drugs off the table with his secret deal with the pharma industry, even though he promised not to make backroom deals like that.
3.Didn't fight back hard when Stupak and Nelson put in their abortion restrictions language.
4.Fought back super hard when members of congress and the unions tried to excise the excise tax.
5.Didn't fight for the amendment to allow states to create their own single payer systems.
6.Didn't fight for the pre-existing condition for adults to kick in this year like it does for kids. So instead, they're waiting until 2014 along with a hell of a lot of other provisions.
7.Didn't put in rate increase limits on the insurance industry so they can continue to raise rates in the double digits even if they can't drop people for pre-existing conditions or getting sick and becoming too expensive.
So great, you can't be dropped but you can certainly be priced out of coverage. Wonderful reform that is!

Is it good policy?

Not in any way shape and form.

Posted by: easttxisfreaky | March 17, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

So how many millions will this vote cost the America taxpayers, eh NOBAMA?

Posted by: cschotta1 | March 17, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Say what you want, FOX News trolls, but you can't disparage this guy's integrity, and he will get re-elected whether you like it or not. You don't know spit about nothin' if you think this guy was bribed, because this guy has been a fixture in super-conservative Cleveland since 1970. Those blue collar voters don't continually re-elect this guy with big majorities(as they will again next time) because they love raging liberals who bow to pressure. They do it because this guy has integrity in spades.
As a bonus, he submitted articles of impeachment on Bush and Cheney in 2007. That alone will secure him a vaunted place in Heaven, and makes him a hero of the American people. Because if all you Constitution-defending teabaggers had been on Dennis' side when he called out the Bush/Cheney cabal FOR TRASHING THE CONSTITUTION, you'd have way more cred as real independents now, rather than be viewed as the bigoted dolts that you are because your outrage is selective and only reserved for black presidents who don't say, "nukular".

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | March 17, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

You ask, whwere are the so-called Christians, as this is a humanitarian issue. Most Christians I know and CINO'S, (christians in name only.) How sad.

Posted by: elpaso | March 17, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

A "defining moment"...yes. The choice is to stand with the American people, and uphold the individual rights promised in the Constitution...OR...to stand against the American people and deny individual rights promised in the U.S Constitution. History records good "defining moments"...and bad "defining moments"...

Posted by: maryckk | March 17, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I am deeply disappointed.

I disapprove of Mr. Kucinich's "detour."

Mr. Obama's deepest character flaw is his willingness to compromise on everything.

He should have employed his arm-twisting technique on other congresspeople than Mr. Kucinich early on instead of immediately rescinding Single Payer--before the people even knew what it was, instead of allowing Ms. Pelosi to take the Public Option off the table. Floridians know that foundations built on sand will not hold up much.

He twisted the wrong man's arm. I don't believe that it's wise to leap to the conclusion that there was a bribe. Nevertheless, I don't like it one bit.

Posted by: dwyerj1 | March 17, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Judas sold out Jesus the Christ for 30 pieces of silver. Dennis sold out We The People for a ride on Air Force One. How downright pathetic, and he could have been downright prophetic instead. Goodbye Mr. Kucinich.

Posted by: Spiritof761 | March 17, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse


thehamptons1:
"Another congressman prostitutes himself."

Self before country is sending America down the drain.
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Posted by: Billw3 | March 17, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Dennis is a true patriot who loves his country and has compassion for those less fortunate than himself. God bless Dennis.

Posted by: elpaso | March 17, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

So, he's sticking to his earlier claim that the bill will make the healthcare problem even worse, but he's decided to vote for it? What kind of person votes for a bill that he thinks will be bad for the country? I guess everyone can be bought off.

Posted by: Phatty1 | March 17, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"I take this vote with the utmost seriousness," Mr. Kucinich said.
So how does a responsible lawmaker make a decision without having the final language, let alone the final costs?
Welcome to the bizarre world of Voodoo Reform.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 17, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Why aren't more commentators demanding congress drop its life time health care and pension benefits?

Posted by: The-Historian | March 17, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Being ex-republicans, we can say republicans used to be for working people. Not any more when you read these comments.
We need healthcare not the insurance-care that we have now. Way to go Dennis.

We actually have relatives who lost their jobs and insurance-care under this
replubican depression, so we know what it is like.

Yes, 1. the false invasion of Iraq(killing thousands of our children) 2. the economic collapse, and 3 the 9/11 attack all happened under your REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT AND YOUR WATCH.

Posted by: elpaso | March 17, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Some stick and some carrot............and a mile high with Obama. ICK!

Kucinich then consulted everyone but the people in his district before making a speech why he flipped.

I hope he gets a new suit out of the deal.

Posted by: mlemac | March 17, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

So, that is all it takes to buy his vote; a ride on Air Force One?

Posted by: dchapman | March 17, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse


"Kucinich has plenty of integrity."

Typical lib BS.
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Posted by: Billw3 | March 17, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"If my vote is to be counted, let it count now."

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TYPO - should read:
"If my vote is to be bought, let it be bought now."

Ironically, if the Ohio Insurance Regulator worded the requirements differently for insurers selling policies in the State, Obama never would have a poster girl.

Instead, Ohio’s website lists what insurance companies - that do business in the state – can and can not do. The Insurance companies do NOT tell the states what they will cover or deny – the states do – Ohio ALLOWS:

denial of coverage due to sickness
elimination rider for pre-existing conditions
pregnancy is a pre-existing condition
No limit to the cost of the most individual plans

If Kucinich spent half as much time keeping up with what is going on in his own state, rather than devising ways to hide his vote, there would be no need for the late-date meeting with Obama …. Or maybe that was the plan all along – the longer the hold out, the sweeter the deal.


http://www.health-insurance-carriers.com/ohio.html
Ohio Department of Insurance
2100 Stella Court
Columbus, OH 43215
(614) 644-2658
www.ohioinsurance.gov
Self-Employed Health Insurance in Ohio
The self-employed may not purchase group coverage.
Individual Health Insurance in Ohio
• Individual health coverage may be denied due to sickness, except during open enrollment periods when providers must offer standard or basic plans.
• HIPAA eligible individuals are guaranteed the right to a standard or basic plan any time.
• Ohio regulations stipulate what must be included in a standard or basic plan.
• In the case of a pre-existing condition, providers can attach an elimination rider to the policy.
• Providers may impose an exclusion period for up to 12 months when coverage begins.
• If continuous coverage is maintained with no breaks over 30 days, policy holders are entitled to creditable coverage.
• Pregnancy may be classified as a pre-existing condition but not genetic information.
• Providers may not require exclusion periods for basic services.
• No limits apply to the cost of most individual plans.
• Limits may apply to standard and basic plans.
• Coverage may not be cancelled due to sickness.

Posted by: asmith1 | March 17, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

MarieDevine writes:"God's command to love God and our neighbor is a self-insurance plan with true freedom. The devil can deceive our leaders, but we do not have to follow either of them. Pray for NO mandatory insurance; our Constitution forbids it, our God forbids it..."

With all due respect, there is nothing about this health plan in the holy scriptures. If you want to oppose it, that is your right as an American, just as it is my right to support it.

Furthermore, I do not understand how anyone can read the New Testament, and learn of Jesus's profound compassion for the poor and the downtrodden, and then claim that He would speak out against anything designed to help those very same people. Where are the Christians who actually follow Christ in this debate?


Posted by: j24w | March 17, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Rep. Kucinich and Monica Lewinsky are of the same ilk. Republican or Democrat does not matter to me! What should matter is the benefit of the bill to all the people, the cost of the bill and means to pay for it and the consequences of passing the bill and the will of the people. How can anyone support a bill that has yet to be presented in it's entirety, is not supported by the majority of all, cost is unknown, ditto on payment and the Party responsible for the bill can't muster their own troops to pass it?

Posted by: gunnysgt77 | March 17, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Bought and used. In most parts of the country that line of work is illegal.

Posted by: mike9270 | March 17, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse


"However, after careful discussions with President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, - - - I have decided to cast a vote in favor of the legislation,"

More bribery, no doubt. We have the most corrupt administration in history, with Obama leading and ruining the country.
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Posted by: Billw3 | March 17, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

All it took was an airplane ride. Our politicians sell themselves too cheaply.

Posted by: Tupac_Goldstein | March 17, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Kucinich is getting older and needs the income from whatever position has been promised. Certainly his House career is terminated and he HAD to make sure that his prospects were assured.

The people of Ohio? They were not involved in this decision.

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Posted by: dumpbama | March 17, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Americans - most of these posts in favor of the bill are lobbyists. Here is an example of how they are strong-arming our elected officials into voting for it. (Remember - they GIVE money to the officials first - THEN demand that they vote THEIR way)
If Donna Edwards Can’t Keep Her Word, She Should Give Back the Money
By: Jane Hamsher Tuesday March 16, 2010 6:05 am Tweet17 Share4

After avoiding direct questions for months, Donna Edwards signed the July 31 letter saying she would vote against any health care bill that didn’t have a public option. I caught up with her at Netroots Nation and she asked me to have a fundraiser for all the members of Congress who signed the letter.

“Carrots, not sticks,” she said.

Blogs across the country came together and did just that — raising $430,000 to thank 65 members of Congress for promising to hold the line at something 80% of the public wanted.

Donna Edwards said the same thing to Cenk Uygur on the Young Turks: “at the very minimum, a strong, robust public option has to be part of an ultimate, ultimate plan.”

Paul Jay of The Real News reported “Rep. Edwards to insist on public option.”

And as she told the Washington Post:

I’ve joined with 60-some of my colleagues who signed a letter to the president and to our leadership saying very clearly that if there’s not a public option in the final bill then I won’t support that bill.

They concluded, “In short, the public option remains a line in the sand for Edwards.”

Then she suddenly caught the #Rahmflu. Less than two weeks after the fundraiser she was equivocating: she “declined to speculate on whether she would vote against a conference bill without a strong public option….’That’s a long way down the line,’ Edwards said. ‘I am talking about the House vote.’”

Rep. Edwards should not have asked people to lead fundraisers of support for members of Congress who pledge their word if she’s not prepared to lead those members to honor it. Call and ask her if she will keep her promise, or give the money back.

Call Donna Edwards: DC: (202) 225-8699, Silver Springs: (301) 562-7960, (301) 516-7601 and others who took the pledge. Let us know what you hear

Posted by: easttxisfreaky | March 17, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Makes you wonder if it was Obama or Michelle that softened Kuchinich up on AF 1.

Posted by: thehamptons1 | March 17, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Its funny looking at some of these comments compare us with Europe. Hello Europe is not a country. Did you fail this class on geography in school?

If you are going to use the European continent as a comparison, then they have every right to use the North American continent as a rule also.

So stop acting silly, and pick one or two countries in Europe to compare from, not the entire continent.

Posted by: wlockhar | March 17, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Kucinich has plenty of integrity. He proclaimed directly that he wanted a different bill. One that better supported the regular American, but he seems to realize that it would be terrible to turn his back on 30 million Americans that have no insurance.
Further, I believe that he knows that this is a title bout and that this is just round 1. Round 2 will be coming and none too soon.
A public option will be in the offing again.

Posted by: aorj | March 17, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I hope there will be others who come around to vote for the bill. Presently, insurance premiums are going up 17%-39% this year alone, millions are uninsured including millions of poor children, tens of thousands will be cut off from jobs or coverage if they get seriously ill, and insurance companies and their rich CEOs are making billions in profit at the expense of the middle and poorer classes.

I say pass the bill and then try to get the bill that gives everyone the opportunity to enroll in Medicare passed at another time.

If the bill fails this time, we won't haven another chance for ten years or so. Unless, of course, the GOP takes over and we get another bill like Medicare D, written by the industry for the benefit of the industry and costing the government and the insured people billions.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | March 17, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

ComputerForensics wrote>>>Where is the 3000% discount King Obonehead is talking about?

The AP reporter is wrong - Pres. Obama never said that! And there are other questionable points in that article.
From the transcript:

>>>>Finally, my proposal would bring down the cost of health care for families, businesses, and the federal government. Americans buying comparable coverage to what they have today in the individual market would see premiums fall by 14 to 20 percent. For Americans who get their insurance through the workplace, costs could fall by as much as $3,000 a person.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 17, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Another congressman prostitutes himself. When will this political nightmare end?

I thought Kucinich and Ben Nelson were bribe proof. If they aren't none of them are.

What a sleezy bunch of immoral dipsh$ts we have elected.

Posted by: thehamptons1 | March 17, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

hope he has another job lined up

Posted by: djrhood | March 17, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

angie12106 wrote: WooHoo! way to go Dennis - glad you saw the light!

NO crystal ball just the facts: "American women have a 63 percent chance of living at least five years after a cancer diagnosis, compared with 56 percent of women in Europe.

"For American men, the numbers are even more dramatic. Sixty-six percent of American men live five years past a diagnosis of cancer, but only 47 percent of European men do."

Is this what you want America?

Posted by: reddog19621 | March 17, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

bertielou wrote:
"So?

Anyone surprised by this would probably also be surprised that:

employer provided insurance premiums won't really go down 3,000% under Obamacare..."

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Actually, if this bill goes through, my employer's premium, and that of countless other's, will go down to Zero - because they will completely drop us from a company plan and simply pay the fines.

Posted by: jahoby | March 17, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

He was bribed in broad daylight by Obama the scuzzy on network television and there are people aplauding this? God help us!

Posted by: Obamasnotyamama | March 17, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

No surprise here. I would have expected no more from a man of self interest who took a fun ride on a jet, got wined and dined (and bribed)and turned his back on the majority. The country has needed a blood-letting and it will occur in the Fall. Cram it down our throats, boys, cram it down our throats. That is the wonderful thing about the ballot box. Because that is when the cramming will end. Bet on it.

Posted by: donchew1 | March 17, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Pass Health Care Reform NOW !

America does not have the time for the cynical message of the Party of NO.

Sell your -dark- fears elsewhere !

Posted by: PulSamsara | March 17, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

The main issue for political parties and those sent to represent us is "WE ARE NOT A DICTATORSHIP.' Our representatives are supposed to be independent, not forced by political pressure to vote the way the leaders say. This is our offering to God. Truth and Freedom must be stood for or we ALL end up oppressed. Lift up God's word and people will help each other without paying for insurance premiums to enrich insurance companies.

God's command to love God and our neighbor is a self-insurance plan with true freedom. The devil can deceive our leaders, but we do not have to follow either of them. Pray for NO mandatory insurance; our Constitution forbids it, our God forbids it; and we must forbid it. All it takes is our opinion NOW.

Posted by: MarieDevine | March 17, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

never thought he'd hold to his convictions unfortunately.
it was always just talk he needs to learn that you walk the talk.
no surprise or real backbone Dennis as was expected all along.

Posted by: jlbliemeister | March 17, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Kill this bill. How can one support a 1/2 trillion dollar theft of the Medicare Trust Fund?

How can one support higher taxes and higher premiums for those who work?

Where is the 3000% discount King Obonehead is talking about?

"Deem and Pass" eaquates to "Dumb & Stupid." We'll vote you turkeys out in November and have an Impeachment Party underway, in January.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | March 17, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Dennis!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just consider this a small imperfect step forward...toward the ultimate goal of SINGLE PAYER (one day...one day!)

Posted by: sml_vmd | March 17, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Even a streetwalker has higher standards than this miserable twerp. Just think: Obamarama bought his votw with a ride on OUR plane at OUR expense. What a joke this jerk is.

Posted by: marine2211 | March 17, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Thank goodness. Finally Kucinich comes to his senses. Maybe St. Patrick's Day was the final push he needed (he does, after all, look a bit like a leprechaun).

Posted by: aircardinal | March 17, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

President, Speaker, wife and close friends - who needs the opinions of constituents?! The professional politician in a nutshell.

Posted by: cxmacdonald | March 17, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Kill this bill. How can one support a 1/2 trillion dollar theft of the Medicare Trust Fund?

How can one support higher taxes and higher premiums for those who work?

Where is the 3000% discount King Obonehead is talking about?

"Deem and Pass" eaquates to "Dumb & Stupid." We'll vote you turkeys out in November and have an Impeachment Party underway, in January.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | March 17, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Funny how he said consulted with everyone but the people he represents.

Another liberal fraud.

Posted by: asdf9876 | March 17, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

WooHoo! way to go Dennis - glad you saw the light!

Posted by: angie12106 | March 17, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

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