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Liberals embrace health bill, but with frustration

By Perry Bacon Jr.
Should liberals be happy with the health-care legislation Congress could pass this weekend?

In his speech Wednesday announcing he would back a bill he opposed in November, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), one of the most liberal members of Congress, signaled the attacks on the legislation from progressive activists should end, saying, "If I can vote for this bill, there's not many people who shouldn't be able to support it."

His move came as some of the more liberal voices in the Democratic Party, such as the activist group MoveOn.org, have dropped their insistence that any health-care legislation include a Medicare-style insurance option and instead are demanding all Democrats vote for the bill being considered now, which does not include such as provision. Kucinich had been the last holdout among House Democrats who had been pushing for the public option, but Thursday, Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-Mass.) said he would oppose the bill in part because it lacked a public option.

"I supported single-payer, I supported the public option, I supported a national exchange," said Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), another prominent liberal in the House. "None of that is in there, so for me this is a big deal to support this. But it's a foundation."

In an interview yesterday, Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) repeated his frequent criticisms of President Obama for not strongly fighting for the public option. But he said of the current legislation, "This is way better than the status quo," adding, "It represents a big compromise from where we could have been."

Other progressive activists still remain very opposed to the legislation. Jane Hamsher, a prominent liberal blogger who runs a site called Firedoglake, called the bill "a dangerous and unprecedented step on the road to domination of government by private corporate players who use it to suppress competition and secure their profit." Readers of her site had donated money to Kucinich to back his stand against the bill, and she asked the Ohio lawmaker Wednesday to give the money back, which he agreed to do.

Appearing on CNN, liberal filmmaker Michael Moore, whose 2007 film "Sicko" sharply attacked the health insurance industry, said that "this is not health-care reform; the bill is a joke."

"It's absolutely horrible that these people were sent to Congress to do a job, which was to have universal health care," Moore said, "That's what the majority of Americans said they wanted, all the polls showed that during the election, the people wanted universal health care, and the fact that we're going to end up with a little piece of this and little piece of that and 12 to 15 million still not covered." (The Senate bill is estimated to leave about 23 million Americans without insurance, about 8 million of whom are illegal immigrants.)

The divide between the activists in some ways resembles the traditional challenge people in politics on all sides face in balancing what is politically possible from what they view as the policy ideal. But the liberals have long argued polls show wide support for the public option and even extending Medicare for all Americans and the lack of either proposal in the bill simply shows a lack of political will from Democrats.

"To take it off the table when the votes are there in the Senate and the American people overwhelmingly want it is a weird strategy, and the only reason to do that is a lack of leadership." said Adam Green, an activist who runs a group called the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, which ran ads this week in the congressional district of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) calling for her to put a public option amendment to a vote.

The activists say this extends to other issues as well, arguing Democrats should have pressed for a larger stimulus package at the start of Obama's term and done more to stop Republican filibusters in the Senate through Obama's first year, and should pass a financial regulatory bill with very stringent regulations on Wall Street firms.

In some ways, the public option has become a proxy for a feeling among some liberal activists that Obama and congressional Democrats are not sufficiently progressive. But it's not clear that view is widely shared among liberals.

MoveOn last year put out an e-mail to its members declaring that "if the health care bill doesn't include a public option, it'll be a huge giveaway to the insurance companies."

But this week, the group announced 83 percent of its members backed getting the current health-care bill sans public option through Congress, a finding consistent with the general approval among liberals about the legislation. The numbers suggest the effort by Obama and other Democrats to cast the bill's insurance reforms and expansions of coverage as more important than the public option have been an effective message to liberals.

(And activists say privately the bill is even more popular among liberals in polls when it is cast as "Obama's health-care bill" rather than simply the one being written by Congress.)

But even as most liberals have fallen in line on the legislation, a few remain frustrated.

"I'm what you call the depressed vote," said Moore. "You know that term, right? I'm one of those people that will show up to vote this November and yeah, I'll vote for the Democrats, but it won't be with the enthusiasm in vote. And I'm telling you, millions of people are going to be like that. They're going to -- some will vote, but a lot aren't going to vote and the Democrats are going to get an ass-whooping in November."

By Kendra Nichols  |  March 18, 2010; 1:27 PM ET
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Sad fact is is that "liberals" support this legislation... Government mandating citizens to purchase insurance from private enterprise... Seems the perfect definition of Fascism as defined by Benito... "Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power". Seems much more of an extremely right wing agenda than of a government run health system... History has proven that when either fascists or communists take the reigns of power it is the liberals who suffer the most. Be wary of what one wishes for it might become an all too real reality.

Posted by: nemosnemesis | March 18, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

There certainly is a lot of "noise" in our public discourse today. Thankfully I am able to see through it and still call things as I see them. And what I see here is good enough for now, given the people we have to deal with, but the bill will seemingly cement into place a for-profit health insurance industry that will be not only too big to fail but also a totally unnecessary waste of health care dollars. Essentially, thanks to the hijaaking of this entire bill by the insurance industry, American taxpayers will now on one level be paying the insurance companies' investors!

These insurance giants are, after all, publicly traded companies. Their investors' profits will be on all our backs. And it will be next to impossible now ever to get that burden off.

Posted by: GeorgHerbet | March 18, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

IMPEACH THIS IMPOSTER

ONLY LOSERS ENDORSE THIS GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER COMMUNIST HEALTHCARE

March 18 (Bloomberg) -- As President Barack Obama enters his final drive for congressional passage of health-care reform, the number of Americans who don’t like the job he’s doing has climbed above the level who approve for the first time.

The CHART OF THE DAY shows the convergence in Gallup’s daily tracking polls since the first one was conducted Jan. 21- 23, 2009. Obama’s negative rating was at its lowest level in the first poll and rose to 47 percent today, compared with 46 percent who approve.

Posted by: charlietuna666 | March 18, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

"I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat." -Will Rogers.

To the Blue Dog Democrats and to those in opposition to real health care reform, what are you afraid of?

Throughout the history of the Democratic party(Progressives) in the 20th century it has fallen to you to be the enactors of real societal change. From the introduction of the 19th amendment to the creation of social security, G.I. Bill, civil rights act, voting rights act, and medicare, these are all pieces of legislation that the American citizenry living today cannot truly fathom of the time of not having them. These items reinforce the reciprocity of government and its people, creating a “more perfect union”.

Today, citizens may fight for their nation and come home knowing that they can afford to continue their education. Today, citizens after spending their entire adult working lives paying into the government system that if their retirement funds suddenly evaporate in some Wall street Ponzi scheme there will still be some form of income provided by social security. Today, because of medicare, an elderly citizen can at least get the health care they need. Today, we as a nation can finally say that opportunity is truly available to all and every citizen has the right to effectuate their government regardless of sex or race.

The time has come again for Democrats (Progressives) to be the steadying hand to the invisible hand. It is neither mere accident nor divine providence that the legislative items mentioned above; all came about after a long uninterrupted term of conservative hegemony. It is the realignment of democratic principles with economic and social realities. History has taught us that those who heed the cry “socialism” in these times of change in our nation are regarded as persons with limited foresight by the generations to come. Those that were against the voting rights of 1965 could not imagine a day like November 4th 2008.

So the time has fallen unto us to establish once and for all, a citizen’s right to health care- a human right; if it were not a human right, than man should be considered no more than a pack of rapacious narcissistic jackals motivated by the hunger for profit. Capitalism does not stipulate that government can not be an equal player in the market place. Is it not competition that drives capitalism and innovation? Citizens have more choice in shipping companies to include the United States Post Office, than they have in how to pay for health care. How is that big insurance will not be able to stay competitive if they are truly providing a better service to the people than government?

Democrats(Progessives) be moved by your conscience and ideals, not by your ego and benefactors.

Posted by: FeComments | March 18, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

pc111 writes:
I would like to hear someone against the bill comment thoughtfully on the previously mentioned fact (elegantly stated by poster "paul65" @2:59pm) that this bill does indeed contain some of the largest cuts ever made to government spending.

The nonpartisan CBO's own analysis states that the bill will save the government--and thereby American taxpayers, who of course fund the fed--1.3+ trillion dollars over the next 20 years. Money saved is money not spent. Less money spent means government is smaller. That simply cannot be disputed. One would think that the fiscal conservatives would be voting for this bill in droves.

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First off, I am against the bill.

What are the cuts in government that you are referring to?

If you are talking about the cuts in Medicare, those are not savings. The money being cut in Medicare (approx. $500 billion) will not be used to "save" Medicare. It will be used as the primary funding mechanism for two things: subsidies for low and middle-income households, and a decrease in the "doughnut hole" of the Medicare Part D.

They are basically taking money from one entitlement to create a new entitlement. It's just a shifting of the dollars from one pot to another.

So there's absolutely no way this would please Republicans, because it doesn't really save Medicare, and it creates a new entitlement class. Actually, it will create TWO new entitlement classes if you include the new and voluntary program for long-term care insurance.

In fact, the $138 billion "savings"? Thing again. Of the $138 billion saved in the first 10 years, $70 billion represents premiums collected for a new long-term-care program, money the government will have to pay in benefits later. An additional $20 billion in savings comes from changes to the federal student loan program...which is probably why they chose to include the new student loan program in with this bill in the first place - to garner a better CBO score.

All I ask is that people do their own research, and not rely on what they read from the opinion pages.

Posted by: boosterprez | March 18, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse


What is the point of even mentioning Lee and Weiner? Both of these leftist Dims voted for Obamacare once, and they will vote for it twice.

No change in position.

And as for Kucinich, his vote is cancelled out by Lynch.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 18, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Let me see

2 wars unpaid for (TRILLIONS)

Bush tax cut #1 1.3 trillion
Bush Tax cut #2 3.94 million
Bush Medicare drug BILL $3.9 MIllion PLUS

BUSH bail out $894 billion

ANd you all are biatching about a mere $1 trillions that will reduce the deficit now.

Posted by: racerdoc | March 18, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Let me see

2 wars unpaid for (TRILLIONS)

Bush tax cut #1 1.3 trillion
Bush Tax cut #2 3.94 million
Bush Medicare drug BILL $3.9 MIllion PLUS

BUSH bail out $894 billion

ANd you all are biatching about a mere $1 trillions that will reduce the deficit now.

Posted by: racerdoc | March 18, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the moderator must have taken an extended coffee break? Personal ad-hominems flying, patriotism questioned, isms being thrown back and forth without actually understanding what the words mean...The lack of civility on these posts seems indicative.

I would like to hear someone against the bill comment thoughtfully on the previously mentioned fact (elegantly stated by poster "paul65" @2:59pm) that this bill does indeed contain some of the largest cuts ever made to government spending.

The nonpartisan CBO's own analysis states that the bill will save the government--and thereby American taxpayers, who of course fund the fed--1.3+ trillion dollars over the next 20 years. Money saved is money not spent. Less money spent means government is smaller. That simply cannot be disputed. One would think that the fiscal conservatives would be voting for this bill in droves.

But then it's not really about that at all, is it? It's more about the fact that some people are scared that the Wonder bread America they thought they lived in isn't quite as pasty, religious, money-grubbing, and intolerant as in the good ole days. And that is Progress.

Posted by: pc111 | March 18, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich's change of mind has to do with a pay off - this is a man who was adamant that he would not sign the healthcare reform, but after his little happy plan ride with Obama, for some strange reason he changed his mind.

Wonder - what the pay off was for this coward.

Posted by: tboca | March 18, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

If you're interested in how this bill will affect your health care (pro- or anti- bill), the most important section is Title IV (starts on p. 2020), entitled "IMPLEMENTATION OF BEST PRACTICES IN THE DELIVERY OF HEALTH CARE".

If you do nothing else, (1) understand what "best practice" guidelines are, and (2) decide for yourself how government established "best practices" will be used.

Posted by: Fletch_F_Fletch | March 18, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Instead of venting their "ass whooping" anger on their real adversaries by electing more like-minded people, once again the liberals/progressives are going to eat their own.

Posted by: patr2 | March 18, 2010 5:56 PM

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Um...no. The liberals/progressives are getting in line to vote for the bill.

Even Moveon is in line with passing the bill...because 83% of their membership is in favor of it.

No one is eating their own in this case. The party is closing ranks, just as it did after the 2008 primaries...despite all of the right-wing talk that the Democrats would implode.

Sure, there are still some out there on the fringe, but the Democratic party isn't catering to the fringe (as opposed to the Republicans, who should really like a lot of aspects of this bill, but who are kneeling down before the teabagging fringe).

Posted by: js_edit | March 18, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Instead of venting their "ass whooping" anger on their real adversaries by electing more like-minded people, once again the liberals/progressives are going to eat their own.

Posted by: patr2 | March 18, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Karl Marx said that the people are idiots. I never thought it woud happen here, but the lefties have arrived, complete with SEIU brownshirts (whom Obama calls "medics"). come on folks, let's stop this guy before he redistributes again.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 18, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The future is filled with so many possibilities. And we no longer have the luxury to ignore the middle-class, when countries around the world are building their people (poor and middle-class) as a whole.

This is all to make a stronger country. We need to be stronger, smarter and healthier (happy) if we are going to compete in a future global market.

This bill will be the first stepping stone to the type of real healthcare the U.S.A. need to provide to its people.

This will be a stepping stone to regulate other industries who seek to make more profits over the safety and concerns of the American People.

Posted by: notrandom1 | March 18, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

melrose1
You just keep on dreaming, it's going to be a surprise alright.

Posted by: shipfreakbo214 | March 18, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I think the dirtbag Dems should do whatever they are going to do. And then we, the people, will respond accordingly. Trust me. The Dems have no idea the pain that is coming their way.

Posted by: melrose1 | March 18, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Yes Dennis K.. your cohorts just wait around watching to see how your gonna vote.. because of your strong stance and upstanding image around D.C. ..
Get a clue - Dennis.. they couldn't care less how you vote or what you think.. they probably laugh behind your back.. cool the old ego D.K.

Posted by: newbeeboy | March 18, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

This is not the bill we want.
But it is a bill we need.

The struggle for progress is not easy.
That's why its called struggle.

With this bill our foot is in the door.
It can't be closed.

And then we can get the bill we want.

Posted by: apspa1 | March 18, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

CNSNews.com - Nearly One-Third of Doctors Could Leave Medicine if ...
Mar 16, 2010 ... A majority of physicians say health-care reform would cause the quality of ... physicians may leave the medical profession if President Obama signs current versions of health-care reform legislation into law, according to a survey published in the latest issue of the New England Journal of Medicine. ...
www.cnsnews.com/news/print/62812 - Cached

Posted by: highkey11 | March 18, 2010 2:53 PM

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LOL...yeah, right. Hope they have some other job skills, which isn't likely since a medical degree pretty much requires focusing solely on medicine.

I'm sure they'll be rushing right out to flip burgers or meet-and-greet at Wal-Mart. Veiled threats like this are so ridiculous.

Posted by: js_edit | March 18, 2010 3:40 PM
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You small mind probably can't grasp the fact that most the intellect and skills required for most doctors would make it very easy to move into another lucrative field. Intelligent people can easily shift jobs.

Posted by: Cryos | March 18, 2010 3:59 PM

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If they have the necessary skills and qualifications.

Very intelligent people can get a PhD in Philosophy...doesn't mean that they have any job skills if they leave their chosen profession.

Sure, an MD could probably use his/her expertise to land a consulting job...especially with an insurance or drug company. But if this bill is going to kill the insurance companies and the medical profession, as we are told, then why would you bounce from one sector of the healthcare industry to another? It's all going down, right?

It's a silly threat.

Posted by: js_edit | March 18, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

You libs, your Democrat congress are cowards. They can't even stand up to a public vote for it or against it cause their afraid their going to loose this November. Hiding behind a skirt! Cowards. Their probably thinking, "Oh I can't let my constituents know I'm voting for this health bill. I'll lose this November" There going to lose anyway. Look at how our debt is now worst then ever. Surprised at how many Democrats are retiring? Socialist!

Posted by: jia2009 | March 18, 2010 4:23 PM

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Um...there's going to be a public vote. It's scheduled for Sunday. Try again.

Posted by: js_edit | March 18, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

You libs, your Democrat congress are cowards. They can't even stand up to a public vote for it or against it cause their afraid their going to loose this November. Hiding behind a skirt! Cowards. Their probably thinking, "Oh I can't let my constituents know I'm voting for this health bill. I'll lose this November" There going to lose anyway. Look at how our debt is now worst then ever. Surprised at how many Democrats are retiring? Socialist!

Posted by: jia2009 | March 18, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are scum. And democrats are stupid for ever trying to include them.

Posted by: GeorgHerbet | March 18, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse
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And your only contribution to this nation will be when your buried. Your leaving

Posted by: LiberalBasher | March 18, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Good, if the bill passes, that we have a hesitant step toward true health care reform. But watch the insurance companies use their 3+-year window of opportunity to raise their rates sky high. Unclear on whether or not Congress has thought to legislate that the insurance companies cannot raise rates for 3+ years, and some have already started to do just that. Dumb as always inside the Beltway. Plenty of continued tension for the public outside.

Posted by: jeanhess627 | March 18, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

You liberals are liars and hypocrites. All Americans want this you say? Put it up for public vote. Put it up for a constitutional amendment. Put up or shut up.

This bill is so poorly written that it will be defeated just by the time that will be spent in court trying to prove its NOT unconstitutional. you idiots should have went the way of a constitutional amendment, but your to much of cowards to do things the right way.

Just like the anti gun crowd, you try to go around the constitution in everything you try to do. They lost in court and so will you. Your bill will be tossed out on its ear when a constitutional review is done of the bill.

Posted by: LiberalBasher | March 18, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

So the point of this article is to show Liberal Democrats have no principles? Why is that news?

Posted by: robtr | March 18, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama told Kucinich if he didn't vote for the bill Obama would instruct the aliens to come down and snatch his family.

Posted by: Cryos | March 18, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

CNSNews.com - Nearly One-Third of Doctors Could Leave Medicine if ...
Mar 16, 2010 ... A majority of physicians say health-care reform would cause the quality of ... physicians may leave the medical profession if President Obama signs current versions of health-care reform legislation into law, according to a survey published in the latest issue of the New England Journal of Medicine. ...
www.cnsnews.com/news/print/62812 - Cached

Posted by: highkey11 | March 18, 2010 2:53 PM

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LOL...yeah, right. Hope they have some other job skills, which isn't likely since a medical degree pretty much requires focusing solely on medicine.

I'm sure they'll be rushing right out to flip burgers or meet-and-greet at Wal-Mart. Veiled threats like this are so ridiculous.

Posted by: js_edit | March 18, 2010 3:40 PM
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You small mind probably can't grasp the fact that most the intellect and skills required for most doctors would make it very easy to move into another lucrative field. Intelligent people can easily shift jobs.

Posted by: Cryos | March 18, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm no supporter of this watered down bill but...Really? Really, Ralphinphnx et. al. teabaggers...etc. Are u people really this intellectually challenged or are u so filled with loathing and misinformed Republican propaganda that you think with healthcare that the Dems are the problem? Really? Have u had your IQ checked or are you just to intellectually lazy to understand that the Republicans, to a person, are bought and paid for by the healthcare industry - it's in the public record - Google it for crying out loud! What do u think corporate campaign contributions are for? Have u heard of quid-pro-quo? Are there sell-out Dems? Absolutely! Has Obama done a piss poor job fighting off corporate America? Right again! But to defend The GOP which has actually worked against helping working and middle class Americans and small business and only defends the top 2% of American earners and large corporations is absurd! Look at real wages over the 30 years, look at the tax rate for the wealthiest Americans vis a vis the middle class, look at health care costs as a percentage of personal income and the GDP both, look at the enormous chasm between the wealthy and the middle class since 1980, look at where the wealthy invest their tax savings (hint: it isn't the USA) Wake up and stop voting with your aspirations and realize the middle class is shrinking - documented! And it's not because of Obama's one year in office! This is your Reagan, your Bush(1 and 2) and yes the GOP-lite-BillClinton. Really? Are u tea party folks that ignorant or is Fox news your primary source? As for the debt, What!!??? Look it up: G.W. Bush outspent all 42 of his predecessors and Obama combined! Do you know what a socialist (or a communist) or a fascist is? They're not the same, in fact they're diametrically opposed to one another. Wow, the ignorance is astounding and u should be embarrassed - 10th grade high schoolers know more than Tea partiers. Anyway, here is to hoping Tea Partiers realize they are expendable pawns in a much larger corporate game and that their interests are those of all middle class Americans - get informed and save our country!

Posted by: ack1 | March 18, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

CNSNews.com - Nearly One-Third of Doctors Could Leave Medicine if ...
Mar 16, 2010 ... A majority of physicians say health-care reform would cause the quality of ... physicians may leave the medical profession if President Obama signs current versions of health-care reform legislation into law, according to a survey published in the latest issue of the New England Journal of Medicine. ...
www.cnsnews.com/news/print/62812 - Cached

Posted by: highkey11 | March 18, 2010 2:53 PM

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LOL...yeah, right. Hope they have some other job skills, which isn't likely since a medical degree pretty much requires focusing solely on medicine.

I'm sure they'll be rushing right out to flip burgers or meet-and-greet at Wal-Mart. Veiled threats like this are so ridiculous.

Posted by: js_edit | March 18, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse


Real Clear Politics.

Barry Care -

Ignorant - 40%

Not Ignorant - 49%

Posted by: jas7751 | March 18, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

If 55% of the public opposes the health care bill in congress, by what gigantic leap of faith does that show that 55% of the public opposes health care reform?

Posted by: scottilla | March 18, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

geo82170 | March 18, 2010 3:26 PM: Do you realize that the support for reform has risen by 2 percentage points in the space of 9 minutes (by your posts)?

Most importantly, do you realize tha in the definitive poll (elections) reform won by a landslide?

Posted by: AMviennaVA | March 18, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

This Just In!

53% oppose health care reform

A new Rasmussen
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YOu automatically lost me at Rasmussen..
another
FOX Network

Posted by: Fei_Hu | March 18, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

You don't have to look very far to see this; Look at the people in the Senate and Congress. Now look at the People that Follow Obama. One Group will Follow Obama Blindly. The Other Group will follow Obama because they have been Bribed. This is something that You know is True. Now I know this to be True. The Mark of the Beast on your Forehead is when you Accept the Anti-Christ through Blind Faith. The Mark of the Beast on your Hand is when you Accept the Anti-Christ through Gifts. People Obama is the Anti-Christ that you have all read about. You have been Warned.

Posted by: makom | March 18, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

LIBERALS ARE CRYING CROCODILE TEARS ... this is a socialist health care takeover bill, plain and simple.

Posted by: penniless_taxpayer | March 18, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse


This Just In!

53% oppose health care reform

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 43% favor the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats, while 53% oppose it.
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Posted by: geo82170 | March 18, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are scum. And democrats are stupid for ever trying to include them.

Posted by: GeorgHerbet | March 18, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

1st how brain dead can some one be by now to still not know that Fixed news is a source of lies and lies and lies in support of right-wing sources.

With that said:
if Dems want to CRUSH the Republican lunatics, which means the agents of Big Pharma, Big Insurance, in the next election, then they should pass real and strong Public Option or the much better single payer health care, because then they can show what complete lunatics Republicans are to be for the current health care system in the US which is bankrupting the American people and thus government, plus killing 50,000 Americans per year at least due to being denied health care and sending at least 2Mill Americans per year into bankruptcy and many other atrocities due to the current health care that benefits the super rich that control the Big Pharma & Big Insurance at the back of the American middle class.

More details here:
http://anoox.com/blog/Real_News.38034

Posted by: RealNews1 | March 18, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The problem with you Solstice is you know nothing of governing. You don't get to go in with both guns blazing and tell Congress how it is gonna be. You are as bad as the wing nuts.

You think a Democratic majority is a progressive majority and it isn't.

Posted by: ravenshroud | March 18, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

No surprise Barry has no use for the legislative process. He has no use for the Constitution. He has said as much.

Posted by: jas7751 | March 18, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse


This Just In!

55 percent oppose health care reforms;

Fox News poll released Thursday finds 55 percent oppose health care reforms being considered, while 35 percent favor them.
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Posted by: geo82170 | March 18, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Whom are all these "holdouts" trying to kid? A liberal is a liberal. They all know if they don't get in line they will never have another thing work for them as long as BO is in office. They will eviscerate anyone who does\n't play along. They don't care about anybody's re-election.

Posted by: jimbob3 | March 18, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Here is a little something for you creepy leftists who think your position is for your won gain.

From Tom Coburn:

“I want to send a couple of messages to my colleagues in the House.

If you voted no, and you vote yes, and you lose your election, and you think any nomination to a federal post isn’t going to be held up in the Senate, I’ve got news for you. It’s going to be held.

Nymber two is, if you get a parochial deal for you or your district, I’ve already instructed my staff that we will look at every appropriations bill, and we will associate that with the buying of your vote. I want to tell you that your deal isn’t going to happen.

And be prepared to defend selling your vote.”

We may be seeing a watershed moment here. The actual policing of the ranks of our native criminal class - by some of the few members who are not on the take.

And remember lefties - bribery convictions usually include the person with the bag of money.

White House immunity won't work on this one.

Ask Chris Dodd about his father.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | March 18, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

There is nobody on the planet more liberal than I am, and I think this bill is a DISASTER.

If I were in Congress, I would not only not vote for it, I would loudly criticize its many flaws and call out Obama for being the corporate shill he is.

Things were bad enough already. Obama's bill ensures they will get worse for everybody but his health insurance company owners who will get richer and richer as the rest of us get poorer and poorer with worse and worse "health care."

Posted by: solsticebelle | March 18, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Kill This Bill It Is A Fraud

Don’t be fooled into allowing the underlying 2700 pages bill, which the health care industry crafted to allow them to steal at will from us and the US Treasury to become law.

It will force us to purchase questionable insurance to purchase overpriced care.

The health care industry reported paying $600,000,000. dollars so far for this bill.

What other deals and payoffs have been made?

These are dastardly crimes against humanity and everyone found guilty should be forever unforgiven and forced to pay harsh consequences for their treachery.

Real Public Option reforms which would save lives and save money have been kept out of the debate by the President, Democrats, and Republicans, did anyone commit crimes doing it?

All 300 million people in the US could receive free public option health care, delivered from government VA system styled hospitals, paid for with sales tax revenues instead of insurance premiums, and it would save $1trillion dollars every year from the $2.6trillion spent last year.

Everyone choosing Free Public Option government care, sales tax funded, could have it free with no restrictions primary, inpatient, outpatient, long-term, mental, ophthalmology and dentistry including medications.

If you are in the United States and you show up for Public Option care it would be given free no restrictions period.

Posted by: BillWatson1 | March 18, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse


Exact Same Style weekend event by US Congress sent HelathCare bill to US Senate in LATE 2009. Several Problems then, US Congress was NOT In session that day/NIGHT & photos show Person with Grey hair, heavy set & Mustache, identified in News Release as US Congressional Sgt at Arms, whom Lost Job (fired) about 6 Years ago. Recently, earlier today, picture on internet with Same Heavy set gray haired & Mustached defunct Sgt at ARMS, with group in US Congress Floor area with Hon Pelosi, Seems that specific BAD guard Knows how to enter US Congress when out of session & Pull Spoof Photo session that becomes foundation for HealthCare bill Moving Bill on in Process, complete Fraud, Public Seems NOT smart Enough to UnderStand Mess has fallen into. terrible Crime, Right in Front of US Public Eyes.
Murder Is NOT Health Care & Prsent Bill Is Harvest of People whom bought BAD Package, NOT HealthCare At ALL. Entertainment Murder In isolated Place called hospitol. Inside Foundation of present HealthCare, Is HATE of Citizens of United States of America Lawyers Are that Way with Others. Whole Lie now called health Care Bill Needs Be Thrown Out, Defeated. Congress Is About To Criminalize HealthCare Process Further than every before. Public Being Duped & Repeat of first events in US Congress in Lat 2009. US CongressPeople Are NOT Above Law.

Signed:PHYSICIAN THOMAS STEWART von DRASHEK M.D.
GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY 1984 to 1989.

Posted by: thomasxstewart1 | March 17, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: thomasxstewart1 | March 18, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Yikes,so even the once loyal Obamacrat Loser Junior Communist Wannabe Democrats are cery very afraid the Ever Growing Big
Time Anti-Obamacare BACKLASH is about to
Cost them Their Soft Jobs In Congress on
Election Days 2010 and 2012 here? Yep just
consider the today's Thursday 3/18/2010
latest Rasmussen Poll which now shows that
53% Oppose Obamacare and ONLY 43% Favor It
and that alone should scare every dirty damn dishonest gutless crooked corrupt Liberal Socialist Democrat Incumbent To
Death! As that is a full 10% more Voters
that OPPOSE Obamacare then favor it!...

And so,to continue on here as to how much
Voter Outrage and Anger Against Obama,
Pelosi,Hoyer,Reid and Durbin and Liberal
Communist Wannabe Democrats is out there
and how serious BLOWBACK Against Them Is,
just stop and consider 45% of Voters would
vote for a Generic GOP Candidate and just
only 35 % for a Generic Democrat Candidate!

And,then we also have Barack Obama own latest Job Approval Ratings showing Obama
is carrying a 43% Strongly Disapproval One
and Just 23% Strongly Approve or -20% yes
I said MINUS 20 here!

So,no small wonder Comrade Dictator from
Kenya is cancelling his costly useless
wasteful idiotic trip back to Indonesia
here folks! Obama the Biggest Wasteful Spender in American White House History and
Most Clueless and Imcompetent and Impotent
Dismal Failure in US History is also running afraid he will so either be Impeached or become One Term Obama when the
Voters Vote Obama out in 2012 after the
Voters Throw All Incumbent Democrats Out!

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | March 18, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

These so called liberals would sell the kids, mothers, their soul. They are scum. No backbone. As Michael Moore said, Republicans stick together. Kucinich is a trader and wimp.

Posted by: dbonade | March 18, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

AMERICA, ALL INSURANCE CO'S HAVE FAILED AMERICANS MISERABLY FOR DECADES. WE ALL HAVE PAID OUR PREMIUMS AN NEVER HAD TO USE THEM ONLY WHEN WE HAD TOO. ALL OF THEM HAD MADE BUCKET LOADS OF MONEY FOR PROFIT.THEN WHEN YOU REALLY NEEDED THEM THEY PULL THE RUG OUT FROM YOU AN CANCEL YOUR POLICY. AIG THE BIGGEST CRIMINALS OF ALL TIME SHOULD ALL BE ROUNDED UP AN ARRESTED NO IF'S ANS ABOUT IT. FDA AN HOSPITALS ALL GUILTY OF THE SAME ESPECIALLY PHARMACUDICAL CO'S. OMG OUR COUNTRY IS JUST RUN AMUCK. YOU CAN'T TRUST NOT ONE THEM INCLUDING OUR GOVERNMENT.

Posted by: JWTX | March 18, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Forget about improving healthcare (and health). This bill makes the single biggest cut to the federal budget of any legislation in history.

What's the Republican argument against that?

Posted by: paul65 | March 18, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

he lib's looks like you been sold out to the evil insurance company's

Posted by: getsix1 | March 18, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing healthy in freedom reform.

Posted by: nosam32 | March 18, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

nychap44 | March 18, 2010 2:44 PM wrote "Does anyone have any idea what percentage of the Federal Income tax burden is borne by liberals versus conservatives? I mean Democrats versus Republicans."

Such statistics are not available. But what IS available is the data that shows that 'blue' states contribute far more revenue to the federal government than they take back; 'red' states contribute far less than they take. In other words, if it was not for 'blue' states, the 'red' states could not afford to exist.

Posted by: AMviennaVA | March 18, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Liberals in 1865 would not have settled for freeing only most of the slaves or in 1919 giving the right to vote only to most women.
Unfortunately most "liberals" in this era, including Kucinich, do not have strong principles and bend freely in the political winds.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | March 18, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Where is the Republican Health Care Bill? Here it is:

1.

Posted by: AMviennaVA | March 18, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

CNSNews.com - Nearly One-Third of Doctors Could Leave Medicine if ...
Mar 16, 2010 ... A majority of physicians say health-care reform would cause the quality of ... physicians may leave the medical profession if President Obama signs current versions of health-care reform legislation into law, according to a survey published in the latest issue of the New England Journal of Medicine. ...
www.cnsnews.com/news/print/62812 - Cached

Posted by: highkey11 | March 18, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Where is the Republicans Health Care Reform Bill?

The Post writer didn't mention anything about the Republicans Plan....Because they don't have one, and they never will.

If the Republican Party has a better Bill, by all means put it out there.

Posted by: austininc4 |

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For more than a year, the Republican party has had ample opportunity to present a plan...including during that summit earlier this year. And, in actuality, several of their ideas were incorporated into the Senate bill before it came out of committee.

But you'll never hear them admit that.

Posted by: js_edit | March 18, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Liberals who embrace health bill have been convinced by Obama that it is in their best political interest to cast their vote his way to pass the bill. Do not be deceived by Obama. The American voter will remember and the disaster inflected by federal law will be experienced and the reaction will be massive to end Obama’s political career.

The political tactics of Obama and liberals are in violation of the majority will of the people and against the U.S. Constitution protecting the rights of the American people. Obama and those responsible for pushing the Obama health care into law will be held accountable.

Obama and liberal Democrats have slapped the American people in the face. They will abuse the power of pubic office to twist arms, make deals and do what ever it takes to pass their bill and impose a government structure of health care on the people.

Obama and liberals have stooped to the level of trying to convince Catholic nuns that abortion is OK. For those of faith, government is interfering with religion. Obama and liberals need to learn a lesson to keep their agnostic liberal humanism away from the Christian churches.

The Catholic nuns will file a lawsuit against the Obama White House for government violation of separation of church and state and damaging the faith of Christian church members.

Posted by: klausdmk | March 18, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have any idea what percentage of the Federal Income tax burden is borne by liberals versus conservatives? I mean Democrats versus Republicans. I am sure the IRS match tax returns with political parties? When people register to vote I believe they have to put down a Social Security number or drivers license number and or address which is also required for Federal Tax returns. It can be done. Why not do so? It really will not even be a costly effort. Just a simple matching type computer program.
Then we will see who is paying their share and who is not.I do not know the answer.

Posted by: nychap44 | March 18, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Where is the Republicans Health Care Reform Bill?

The Post writer didn't mention anything about the Republicans Plan....Because they don't have one, and they never will.

If the Republican Party has a better Bill, by all means put it out there.

Posted by: austininc4 | March 18, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Medicaid was supposed to fill-in the gaps between Medicare and privately-financed insurance from employers. If it had been fully-funded, we would not be needing to do this step now. So a lot will depend on whether or not future Congresses will adequately fund the provisions of this bill. And the Republicans will likely play politics with the cost-containment portions of the bill, by insuring that the ability to study measures for cost-containment are done with a sledge-hammer instead of a scalpel- thereby rallying support for repeal of the legislation.

In the end, it may have been better just to provide more funding for Medicaid and raise the income thresholds for Medicaid eligibility. And neither party supported what would have been the best alternative of all- to return to using non-profit cooperatives like the way Blue Cross Blue Shield was 30 years ago before politicians started tinkering with the system during the Reagan era. The old system worked well for 40 years; why not return to an older system that worked well instead of creating a new one?

Posted by: stillaliberal | March 18, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

kemcb,

The only racists that I've ever seen associated with a TeaBaggers gathering were the union thugs wearing SEIU shirts that beat the hell out of a black man handing out American flags. You really should try drinking the DNC kool-aid.

Posted by: mike9270 | March 18, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

If anyone ever doubted the end game is a totally run government health care program, just look at how many people in Congress demanded to this, voted against ObamaCare and have now changed their mind. These people scored points with their liberal base by protesting there was no public option, but now that they understand approving ObamaCare is simply the first step in providing it they'll change their vote.

Posted by: mike9270 | March 18, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I've got Hamsher, Moore, and Green on one side, lighting their hair on fire and telling me that this bill is a sell-out to the insurance companies, that it will allow corporations to take over the government, and that we're all going to die if it passes.

On the other side, I have Rush, Beck, and the rest of the usual suspects lighting their hair on fire and telling me that this bill is a sell-out to the Socialists, that it will allow Reds to take over the government, and that we're all going to die if it passes.

That means it's likely a pretty damn good bill. Seriously, do these people even listen to themselves?

Posted by: js_edit | March 18, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that now that republicons are in a small minority they seem to think it reasonable to demand 60 votes to pas anything in the senate? If they really think a bill has no merit they should let it come to a vote and see how little support it has. Truth is that this process would have been done with perhaps a more robust bill last August if it had been alowed to proceed to a vote. It always had between 54 and 57 votes in the senate. More than a simple majority, and a group of senators that represents more than 75% of the people.

Posted by: John1263 | March 18, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

The better is the enemy of the good enough. The present bill is the best first bill we can get. Pass it; we will fix its problems later.

Posted by: raschumacher | March 18, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

This bill is a piece of crap. I blame Obama, Democratic Leadership and progressives in that order.

Single payer or nothing.

This is insurance welfare paid for by the working poor.

Posted by: anarcho-liberal-tarian | March 18, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are unified in their hatred for Obama, their desire to get back in power and their fear of the 20% of voters who are ultra rightwing conservatives and dominate the primaries. They will work in lockstep to prevent Obama from governing because their interest is not to govern effectively but to prevent governing from happening. In their dark world, as expounded by their own Dark Lord, Government is THE Problem.

I would disagree. Radical Rightwing anti-government extremism is the problem. Democrats actually look around, try new things, learn from experience, accept compromise in the interest of getting things done.

The seething, drooling, hate-filled beast of the right will pace back and forth for a few more elections until fractures and is re-born as a loyal opposition.

Posted by: thebobbob | March 18, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

it's sure easy to claim "the votes were there" in the Senate when you aren't responsible for getting them. There are only 59 for anything, down from 60, how could there have been 60 for a public option?

Posted by: JoeT1 | March 18, 2010 2:21 PM

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Things like math and facts don't seem to phase the firebagging, kill the bill crew.

Posted by: js_edit | March 18, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

This is like the Civil ights Act of 1957. Conservatives were hell bent on stopping it because they knew if they did not it would set the stage for more meaningful and comprehensive reofrms down the road. Then Senate Majority leader Lyndon Johnson overcame a conservative filibuster and manged to pas the bill. It was far from what was really needed but it proved that what people thought was impossible - passing Civil Rights legislation over southern conservative racist objections, was in fact possible. That act was the bedrock for the more comprehensive and substantive Civil Rights Acts of 64,65, and 68.

Posted by: John1263 | March 18, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

it's sure easy to claim "the votes were there" in the Senate when you aren't responsible for getting them. There are only 59 for anything, down from 60, how could there have been 60 for a public option?

Posted by: JoeT1 | March 18, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

But, without the public option, it's like a paper tiger or lion with no teeth!

Posted by: TalkingHead1 | March 18, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

But, without the public option, it's like a pater tiger or lion with no teeth!

Posted by: TalkingHead1 | March 18, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Nearly ever American, perhaps even some of the racist Tea Baggers, realize the need for health care reform. Yes, I am very disappointed that some kind of universal health care, like expanding MEDICARE to all or at least a Public Option, but sorry, NO! "For Profit" Health Insurance is counterintuitive and an oxymoron, to say the least! For Profit Health Insurance has proven to be an ATM for Wall Street while denying care and dropping those in need of care. Do those who oppose health care reform ever look around the world at what other advanced societies have decided as to health care for their citizens? Apparently not the Republicans of the Family and of NO! In striving to have the administration fail they are willing, more than willing, they seek to sacrifice the well being of the American people!

Posted by: kemcb | March 18, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Dennis Kucinich realized this was all he could get at this time. If they want more, they're going to have to work for it.

Later!

In this political climate and with the extreme attacks coming from the Healthcare industry lobbyists, Congress isn't going to vote for single-payer coverage.

Single-Payer coverage that a majority of the American people wanted.

Enough discussion! When everyone realizes that the Healthcare industry simply wants to continue to gouge the people, others will come around.


Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | March 18, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

It didn't take Jane and the Firebaggers long to ask Kucinich for the money back.

Posted by: js_edit | March 18, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

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