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Obama calls again for an "up-or-down vote" on health care

By Michael A. Fletcher
President Obama on Saturday repeated his call for Congress to give an "up-or-down vote" on his plan to revamp the nation's health-care system, saying that doing so would yield immediate benefits for the uninsured and small businesses, while prohibiting the most unpopular actions of health insurance companies.

Speaking in his weekly radio and Internet address, Obama said that his plan would give families and businesses more control over their health care by providing tax credits for small firms that purchase coverage and allowing people with pre-existing conditions to more easily buy insurance.

Obama has called on Congress to vote on the long-debated plan in the coming weeks. His Press Secretary Gibbs said he thinks the House is on track to approve the Senate-passed health bill by March 18, though action on a "reconciliation" bill to make adjustments to the Senate-approved bill could take longer.

Republicans accuse Obama of attempting to "ram through" a bill that the public opposes. In the Republican's weekly address, Rep. Parker Griffith (R-Ala.), a physician who switched parties in December, renewed the GOP demand for Obama to move incrementally.

"Republicans understand that the right way to fix health care is with a step-by-step approach focused on lowering costs," he said.

In his remarks, Obama criticized Republicans for demanding that he scrap the effort and start over.

"The insurance companies aren't starting over," he said. "I just met with some of them on Thursday and they couldn't give me a straight answer as to why they keep arbitrarily and massively raising premiums - by as much as 60 percent in states like Illinois. If we do not act, they will continue to do this."

Obama said that the changes would also require health plans to offer free preventive care to their customers, while ending limits on the amount of care people receive.

"If we act now, all of this will happen this year," Obama said. "Millions of lives will improve. Some will be saved. Many families and small business owners will have health insurance for the very first time in their lives. Doctors and patients will have more control over their health care decisions, and insurance company bureaucrats will have less. This future is within our grasp."

By Michael A. Fletcher  |  March 6, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
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By the way, charlietuna, using your calculations, in about 8 and a half years, we'll have our money back. Anything after that is gravy. Am I right?

Posted by: KateSaunders | March 8, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

By the way, charlietuna, in about 8 and a half years, we'll have our money back. Anything after that is gravy. Am I right?

Posted by: KateSaunders | March 8, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

There's a website called the Healthcare Blue Book where you can actually find the best standard prices for various medical procedures in your area. A single-payer system that used these prices would save our country trillions of dollars in health care costs. Since some people won't go along with doing that, the next best thing is for those of us who care about the outrageous cost of health care to use this website and shop around for the best value, just like we do for everything else. In my view, providing lavish lifestyles to the middlemen who don't contribute to good health is a terrible waste of money.

Posted by: KateSaunders | March 8, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Lenin said, "Medicine is the keystone to the arch of socialism".
"We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality." — Ayn Rand

Posted by: surfdumb | March 7, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

What are the leftists up to? See interview of Yuri Bezmenev, former KGB 'Brainwashing of the west by the far left (Part 1 of 2)' and watch 2 of 2 for a way out; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt2crlW2LCo) AND Obama's College Years: Barry's Marxism (1/2) @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgOy71oa3hw

Posted by: surfdumb | March 7, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the
federal government are few and defined. Those which are to
remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."
-- James Madison said in the Federalist Papers, No. 45
For Real 'Hope & Change' go to tenthamendmentcenter.com Note, 21 States have started legislation to deny DC authority over their healthcare and reinforce states rights and sovereignty.

Posted by: surfdumb | March 7, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its
government."
-- Thomas Paine
"If once (the people) become inattentive to the public affairs,
you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors,
shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general
nature, in spite of individual exceptions."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their Powers
from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of
Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right
of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a
New Government....it is their Right, it is their Duty, to
throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards? for
their future Security."
-- Thomas Jefferson

Posted by: surfdumb | March 7, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

The only way to get heaslth care reform before the next election is for President Obama to ask the House to pass the Senate bill without changes. If the House agreed, the bill would go directly to the President for his signature. Since many provisioons in the bill do not become effective till 2014, the Congress and President would then be able to change any/all provisions, but still have health care reform as completed legislation.

Health care will be sn issue for many elections to come, but the Democrats would now be able to point to this law that will makes so many vital changes to health care as it now exists.

Posted by: swenk | March 7, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I am appalled at those who continuously call Obama and any idea of one health care bill communistic and anti-capitalistic! What they don't realize is that a national health insurance exchange actually fosters competition among health insurance companies to gain business from a bigger pool. Competition is after all the basis behind capitalism and supply and demand. Obama has always been a follower of Charles Maynard Keynes.the noted economist, who is credited as having created a model for the boom of capitalist countries in the 50's and 60's. He formulated the philosophy that the free market cannot solve all economic problems, but needs a little push from government.

Posted by: BrianHatch | March 7, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

We need the President to fight for our rights, not kiss up to the Republicans.

We had a SUPERMAJORITY

We could have had anything we wanted.

The president squandered the best chance in 20 years to get the country back on track and into the 21st century.

Instead, he let his ego get in the way and we all suffer because of it.

Like McClenan in the civil war, Obama could have had an easy win and let it slip through his fingers.

He needs to start remembering who elected him and to start practicing triage.

Otherwise, he'll blow it completely.

If he spent more time trying to make Democrats happy, rather than Republicans, we would have been all set.

Posted by: TheTruthWillNotBeSilenced | March 6, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the reactionaries are out in force on this one today! I noticed the story that revealed (duh) that the RNC considers posters like thehamptons1 etc. rubes didn't have too many right wing nut posters. You guys did read the story right? You know, where a "secret" RNC fund raising presentation was discovered and which revealed that the RNC considers you guys tools to be used for political purposes. Everything revealed in that presentation has been apparent to thinking people for decades, that the RNC uses fear mongering to get dupes to vote against their own interests. Come on guys read the article and open your eyes! There's hope for you.

Posted by: Observer001 | March 6, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Why it always about the money:




A 15 mpg clunker that travels 12,000 miles a year uses 800 gallons of gas a year.

A 25 mpg vehicle that travels 12,000 miles a year uses 480 gallons a year.

So, the average Cash for Clunkers transaction will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year.

They claim 700,000 clunkers were turned-in, so that's 224 million gallons saved per year.

That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.

5 million barrels is about 5 hours worth of US consumption.

More importantly, 5 million barrels of oil at $70 per barrel costs about $350 million dollars

So, the government paid $3 billion of our tax dollars to save $350 million.

We spent $8.57 for every dollar we saved.

I'm pretty sure they will do a great job with our health care, though.

Posted by: charlietuna666 | March 6, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Yes, yes, yes! The Republican Party is indeed the Party of NO! NO! NO! NO MORE SPENDING OUR TAX MONEY ON YOUR SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST AGENDA, OBAMA!

Posted by: georges2 | March 6, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

The American people do not want this bill! I do not want a government bureaucrat having anything to say about my health. I am so sick and tired of liberals bad-mouthing Republicans or anyone who is against this bill. I have no use for people in this country who want the rest of us to support them! I don't care what you think. This is a CAPITALIST country, and I am a CAPITALIST. What you want is already available in other nations. I'll wave goodbye to you as you sail off to Denmark!

Posted by: georges2 | March 6, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

There won't be "no stinkin' reconciliation" !!!! At least doubtful.

The idea that reconciliation is where the DEMS will fix the Senate bill is just a faux rabbit for the hapless House dogs to chase.

Another Obama ruse.

For parliamentary reasons, Obama, "may be REQUIRED" to sign HIS PREFERRED version, the hated Senate HCR bill into law, if it is passed by the House, ----so that reconciliation in the Senate(changing of the law), can proceed (wink, wink).

After the House votes for this flawed anti-consumer anti-senior Senate bill, -------all hell will break loose for Senators------marches on Washington, citizens en masse writing letters, phoning their senators, believing that they can still stop HCR and reconciliation, -----politicians will announce running on repeal of HCR, the polls will bear them out----- it will be a perfect storm of bad news for DEM senators.

-----many "experts" doubt the DEM will get the 50 Senate votes needed for reconciliation after that level of public opposition,

----thus THE vote on reconciliation will be "delayed" indefinitely.

Then, as planned, Obama, with crocodile tears flowing, "will be forced" to declare or sign HIS PREFERRED version, the hated Senate HCR bill, as THE HCR law of the land----

See how bad callous legislation like ERISA gets passed, children !!!

PS. I put part of this post over at the "whippersnapper's" blog
PPS. I so agree with the comments of mtpeaks | March 6, 2010 7:39 PM

Posted by: johnowl | March 6, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Some day historians will look back at our comments and wonder: What were they thinking, when they acted to--
A. Pass a highly unpopular landmark bill that further broke the treasury and the American will, or
B. Failed to pass the legislation, and let reform slip away, or
C. Insisted that a more resonable and affordable version be created. One that passed with public acclaim.
Think hard America, for we are at that decision point.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 6, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse


The up or down vote will most likely be down. Only Obama is deluded enough to think a majority in the House and in the Senate are willing to commit political suicide for him.

Posted by: JCM-51 | March 6, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

callie:

go look up capitalism
then look up democracy.

go ahead, I know you can do it.

then write me back on the topic of economics versus forms of government.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | March 6, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Y'all-- the main thing this bill does is use gov't leverage to make sure everyone gets decent private insurance coverage.

It's not even that big a bureaucracy you're talking about. It'll be a website where you can shop around and compare plans, all of which make sure you won't go bankrupt if you get cancer.

Once the insurance companies actually have to compete for your business, they'll find ways to lower costs. That's friggin' capitalism at its finest, with the gov't setting rules that protect the little guy.

It's a Republican bill for god's sake, same as Romney's in MA, and Dole's in '93. It's as private sector as you can get while making sure people have decent coverage. The GOP is all against it for pure political gain. No interest in what's actually a good idea for our country. Total nasty cynics, every last one of 'em.

The thing costs $100B/Yr., and it's paid for. Compare that to the costs of 2 wars and 1.8T in tax cuts. It will not break the bank. It will give people the security to go out and invent stuff as Americans should.

What are all these guys John Galt heroes thinking? Does anyone here who opposes this reform package here actually have anything to say about what's in it, or is this just about hating the president?

It just seems like a bunch of raw emotion and no substance. Honesty, who's responsible for getting y'all so worked up?

Take a second look. It ain't that bad.

Posted by: grelican | March 6, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

...."no profit incentive for them"

Capitalism at its finest.
"what's in it for me"
"no free lunches"
"every man for himself"
"i want my money first".
Adam Smith would be so proud of us.
Forget about Dr. Nash's equilibria.

We have government --elected Senators and House Reps. Elected by you, in your state....practicing core capitalism ....
at the cost of democracy.

There goes "by the people and for the people".

Question: when ya all elected your state senator and state house rep., what were you thinking?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | March 6, 2010 5:42 PM
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Our schools are failing us as evidenced by the above post. It's obvious that poster doesn't know what capitalism is or what democracy is. Capitalism doesn't exist in places where there is no democracy so if he wants to get rid of capitalism he will have to figure out a way to get rid of democracy..after he figures out what it is.

Posted by: Callie1 | March 6, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Pull the plug on Republican obstructionism. Reconcile the bill and let's move on. If the best Republicans have to offer is a temper tantrum for blank sheet of paper, let's give it to 'em along with a big fat crayon.

Posted by: jade_7243 | March 6, 2010 5:28 PM
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I keep hearing the left call the Republicans obstructionists but they aren't reasoning this out. The Republicans can't obstruct anything. For a solid year they couldn't even mount a filibuster until Brown was elected just recently. The first vote he participated in he voted with the democrats. It's the democrats who are fighting Obamacare but not getting credit for it. If they had wanted to pass it or any other bill they had a super majority in the house and senate and nothing could stop them...except some of their own listening to the people. Maybe they value their own political careers over standing behind a president who is fast becomming despised by Americans and the laughing stock of the world.

Posted by: Callie1 | March 6, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

What doesn't Obama understand about NO? The current garbage proposed by the Democrats is not acceptable. We do not need or want the burden of Federally sponsored or managed health care because it would end up being nothing more than a mismanaged bureaucracy that would cost people their lives and bankrupt the country in the process. NO, NO, NO!!!!!!

Posted by: sonny_sky | March 6, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Consider the pus-filled Ron Paul blog rats posting here (hunter340, John-Q-Public, bbwk80a1, etc. etc) and then consider that Obama's health care reform bill will pass very soon. Millions of Americans will benefit now and in the future. What will these rats do?

Posted by: dudh | March 6, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

...."no profit incentive for them"

Capitalism at its finest.
"what's in it for me"
"no free lunches"
"every man for himself"
"i want my money first".
Adam Smith would be so proud of us.
Forget about Dr. Nash's equilibria.

We have government --elected Senators and House Reps. Elected by you, in your state....practicing core capitalism ....
at the cost of democracy.

There goes "by the people and for the people".

Question: when ya all elected your state senator and state house rep., what were you thinking?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | March 6, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Having worked for and around government for many years, the prospect of government relieving the private sector of anything, let alone 16% of the economy, is for me necessarily a promise for waste, not because government folks are not good people but rather because there is no profit incentive for them, which in time inevitably ratchets up the waste and expense. On top of all the other mindless spending on mostly mis-targeted objectives, we can only hope the generations whose futures we spent (largely for nothing)will forgive us.

Posted by: michaelv1 | March 6, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Waa, Waa, Waa, I want my way!!!!

This guy has the biggest ego of anyone that's ever been in the White House. Health care reform is all about him, the power and control.

Posted by: thehamptons1 | March 6, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Pull the plug on Republican obstructionism. Reconcile the bill and let's move on. If the best Republicans have to offer is a temper tantrum for blank sheet of paper, let's give it to 'em along with a big fat crayon.

Posted by: jade_7243 | March 6, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The Obama way: Bluster, bully, bribe

Posted by: hunter340 | March 6, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Pull out now! Pull out now! Pull out now!...

Posted by: John-Q-Public | March 6, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Lies, Lies, and more Lies. Death March...ho!

Posted by: John-Q-Public | March 6, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama is incapable of telling the truth. The man is pure evil.

Posted by: fury60 | March 6, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If you oppose this healthcare reform proposal, don't waste your time here arguing with its proponents. You won't accomplish anything towards its defeat.

Contact your US Democratic congressional representative immediately. There is NO time to waste. Find a pencil and paper, envelope and stamp, get their address, from Google-US Congress, and write them today expressing your objections. Tell them to vote no. Get it into a mail box.

The second Pelosi thinks she has the votes, be it 2pm or 2am, she will call the role, and it will too late. So write or email NOW, TODAY.

Posted by: bbwk80a1 | March 6, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS PREPARING AMNESTY For The 20-30 Million Criminals In The Country Today. HE NEEDS To Give Health Care To The Ones That BROKE Our Health Care System? That's The DEMOCRAP Thing To Do, Right....Spend Other Peoples Money.

Posted by: djmcfly | March 6, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I SEE THE PAID OBAMA CHEERLEADERS, White House Flunkies, MoveOn, Etc. Are Here En Mass, Like The Ludicrous Post That Said "76% Want This Health Care".....More Proof LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER

Posted by: djmcfly | March 6, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

If you really want to prevent your own country from having the basic health infrastructure that is needed for remaining competitive in the world economy, go ahead and kill the health care legislation. But you should be under no illusions: all other industrialized countries have had functioning, cost-effective health care systems for many years now.
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Valid point. But the current proposal does not ensure a 'cost-effective health care system.'
Instead, it creates a huge bureaucracy that at best will keep premiums at their current high rates. And the true desire of all Americans--lowereing actual healthcare costs--is hardly even addressed.
Having only one policy option is no option at all. It's time to open up the debate and get reform right.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 6, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

President Obama walked into the Bush mess.
Bush didn't care what he left.

I put the list on another column here of everything President Obama walked into. I will try to retrieve it and post it here. Two wars and Katrina were on the list.

Yeppers, I'll play the race card every time on this. Because I knew, at 12:01pm on January 20, 2009, that President Obama was going to be fighting
"the white boy hate fight". And Repulsives followed suit in spades!!

But we are both from Chicago and we do not break.
Bring the good old boys and their beer bellies walking around burping ....
right here. I'm good at fighting the good old white boy. Been doing it for 50 years.

In fact, I think American History X is playing on the television right now.
Edward Norton plays a republican.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | March 6, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Insurance companies want monopolization. The top 10 insurance companies insure everyone. That's it.

And their premiums have gone up in the past year and they will keep raising premiums.

And they will keep paying Senators in Congress to vote NO (by perks given) so they can keep raising rates.

Did anyone catch Elizabeth Cohen from CNN in her report yesterday. 2 cc(s) of Tylenol in a hospital - a dose of Tylenol came out on a bill for $128.
A baby pacifer - (if the baby in the ward throws it on the ground, they don't clean it, the nurse gets a brand new one) -
one pacifer - $128 on the bill.
One baby had 7 pacifers.

Now come on.

Insurance Reform (which is what this bill actually is) is needed.
Why can't people see this? Have you not been in the hospital and gotten a bill.
Even an ER bill?

And while repulsive senators block this bill because of the abortion issue, families are going to be "milked" at the hospital.

Don't have a kid this year, not cost effective.

Earth to your brain!

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | March 6, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

TheBabeNemo wrote: oh puleeze, sit down for real negotiation.

Did anyone even tune into 15 minutes of the Health Summit about 10 days ago?
Did you watch the behavior of Republicans in that Summit?
It was horrendous.
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All I heard was King Obonehead droning on like he was doing a filibuster in the senate. He sid he could talk so lon becuase he is King.
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TheBabeNemo wrote: The day President Obama was inaugurated, the repulsive "memo" went out. No on everything. Fight him on everything.
Give him no chance on anything. Demean him every chance you get.
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How many times have we heard, "Blame Bush... Blame Bush..." The "U-6" graph line for unemployment is above 16%. Should unemployment compensation be extended from 26 weeks to 104 weeks? I don't think so. Should people recieve a 65% employer subsidization for COBRA payments? Heck no. Cap & Tax is a hoax.

Fight him, absolutely. He has outspent any President and raped the treasury.
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TheBabeNemo wrote: Good old repulsive white boys, sitting with their beers on the couch, making sure the wife is pregnant and barefoot, rattlin' those pots and pans
hate the fact that President Obama is African American.

The repulsives' true colors. Bigotry. Prejudice. Mine, mine, mine. Your life--my way. At all costs or else.
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With a post like this, it is obvious that you are a drone who believes in King Obonehead and are subserviant to his needs. I also see you do not have a problem using the last fig leaf, the race card.

I think JC Watts is far more qualified to be POTUS, than His Royal pain in the Arse. The only "color" that I care about is green.

Republicans say, "The more you make, the more you keep."

King Obonehead believes, "The more you make, the more I'll take."

Big difference.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | March 6, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama banned from TV? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z5aeXC8UJQ

I'd say we should have a health care system like the Dutch! Hell! we should do everything like the Dutch.

Posted by: stacieglaston | March 6, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Peloso and Reid- Your referendum is coming up fast, in November. King Obonehead realizes this and is trying to push through his bill.

King Obonehead seems to forget convienantly something known as "The Separation of Powers." His narcissistic approach in delgating what he wants and then not getting what he wants, is self evident.

Hopefully, he has decided to follow his doctor's advice of "consuming mass quantities" in moderation. If not, there is alway AA.

You see King Obonehead, you have suceeded in "We the People" are watching and we don't like what your proposing, which includes a $9.7 TRILLION deficit in 10 years and the raid of $1/2 TRILLION from the Medicare Trust Fund, while baby boomers are coming into retirement.

We know about the ripoff, the deal with AARP and Big Pharma.

Come Novemebr, you're support is gone and it's NoBama time in 2012. How's that for a "Lame Duck" feeling?

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | March 6, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I used to blame politicians for America's failure. However, comment threads like this show that it is really the American people themselves that want their own country to fail.

Look, I realize that you guys have hurt feelings and don't feel particularly proud to be Americans right now. I don't either, and I sure can feel the emotion behind all your whining. But you need to understand that while you all are caressing your tender political resentments, other countries are moving ahead fast, and America is only falling further and further behind.

If you really want to prevent your own country from having the basic health infrastructure that is needed for remaining competitive in the world economy, go ahead and kill the health care legislation. But you should be under no illusions: all other industrialized countries have had functioning, cost-effective health care systems for many years now. Trying to attract investment without a basic health insurance system is sort of like trying to attract heavy industry to your town while refusing to build paved roads.

If you really want business to go elsewhere, by all means sink the last opportunity you will have for a quarter century to create a basic health insurance system. Go ahead and finish the destruction of the social and economic fabric of this country.

Posted by: opinionpieces | March 6, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Want to see the future under Obamacare. Check out what's happening in MA! It's essentially the same model and it's bankrupting the state. In addition, health care insurance is going up 8% to 32% this year! Needless to say the voters are not happy!!!!!!

Check out articles 3/6/10, today's Boston Globe and Herald.

Posted by: Jimbo77 | March 6, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

oh puleeze, sit down for real negotiation.

Did anyone even tune into 15 minutes of the Health Summit about 10 days ago?
Did you watch the behavior of Republicans in that Summit?
It was horrendous.

The day President Obama was inaugurated, the repulsive "memo" went out. No on everything. Fight him on everything.
Give him no chance on anything. Demean him every chance you get.

Good old repulsive white boys, sitting with their beers on the couch, making sure the wife is pregnant and barefoot, rattlin' those pots and pans
hate the fact that President Obama is African American.

The repulsives' true colors. Bigotry. Prejudice. Mine, mine, mine. Your life--my way. At all costs or else.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | March 6, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Despite what some in Washington claim, I think Americans are pretty smart.
They know that having one party control the White House and both chambers of Congress is a recipe for unbridled spending, lost liberties, and much discontent.
By introducing the gridlock factor, Americans ensure less government at less expense. This was a major impetus in dems taking the House in 2006, and repub Scott Brown winning a blue state.
By extension, Americans are hoping that the gridlock factor will force dems and repubs to sit down and get healthcare reform right.
By refusing to open his plan to real negotiation, Mr. Obama is ensuring that later this year the House will change hands once again.
And meaningful healthcare reform will be left in the reckless wake.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 6, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Who in the world thinks the government should have control of one sixth of our economy knowing full well the government cannot even run the post office efficiently? The government could not keep from stealing funds from social security or medicare.
This is pathetic and this bill is a horrific expensive invasive bill that is not cost reform and all about taking over health care creating 116 new government agencies we all know will be a cesspool of waste. You would have to be stupid to believe the government cares so much about you. You are fool if buy this garbage. The Feds are attempting to lay the framework for socialized medicine that no one with an IQ over 60 would want. Right right right I know it is not socialized medicine yet but this bill will fail and designed to fail as it pushes businesses with the preference for the fine to push off insurance plans they would love to get rid of.
Our family is not failing for this stupid plan and we hope there are enough Democrats intelligent enough to know this plan is a fraud. Shame on us for electing these morons pushing this stupid bill while so many people are out of work and hurting.
I am voting Republican in November and 2012.

Posted by: greatgran1 | March 6, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama is every bit as arrogant and inept as we were warned he was before we elected him.
What a huge disappointment.

It's jobs and the economy stupid. We don't care about your agenda and selfish pride. Either do the job you promised us, or it's back to Chicago and all your thug friends in 2012.

Posted by: thehamptons1 | March 6, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Eric Massa the homosexual predator will no longer be voting Yes on Obamacare.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 6, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

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Actually he voted against Obamacare. With him gone it will take one less aye vote to pass it. Did the democrats go after him because he voted no? Let's even the playing field (as the left is so fond of saying) and throw Charlie Rangle out of office. What he has done, with Pelosi's blessing, is far worse than Massa's language.

Posted by: Callie1 | March 6, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

With all these people out of work and all the ones that never could afford health care just how are they paying for their healh care, or do the people that have it even care? Looks like NO!

Posted by: safmmail | March 6, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Why do republicans so hate people who want to help themselves? Every time the people elect a government to do something for them they form militias, phony groups funded by the rich, and completely fill the media environment with lies that would shame most decent people. And their positions are almost always in favor of the rich and powerful.

Usually they enlist god and patriotism to hide their true motivations while they and their big money propaganda outlets spew conspiracy theories and outright, easily provable lies in their attempts to fool the powerless and ignorant. They know that if you say it loud and often the ignorant come to believe it. And we have lots of ignorant people in this country. If people were really informed I have no doubt that we would have universal health care instead of the disgrace the republicans like to refer to as "the greatest medical system in the world".

After Lincoln the republican party has done nothing for this country. I don't know how this ends but, in my lifetime, I have seen very few republican leaders who live values that I respect. I wouldn't teach my child the values that they live by (yes, I know that's not the same as what they espouse) and I wouldn't allow most of them into my house. They are NOT decent people.

End of Rant.

Posted by: rramos01 | March 6, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

This is bad legislation to fix a problem that needs a concensus among the majority of congressional representatives. At this point, I just see the words and needs of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama as narcissists who are bordering on antisocial behaviors. Antisocial features, forget the personality disorder as a diagnosis, are about doing whatever the individual wants, irregardless of how it impacts on those around the indivudual and the environment in general.

Excuse me, leaders in Washington, am I wrong to remind you that it is about the needs of the many, and that benefits have to outweigh risks in some substantial amount to go forward on legislation and laws/acts? Oh, I forgot, I am just one person. How ironic, so are you! But, you represent millions by your choices and actions. Did you forget that when you took your oaths of office?

You do remember you are representatives, not kings or queens, or gods?

Someday, reality will remind you of that.

We as the public can only hope and pray you do!!!

Posted by: Joelhassfam4 | March 6, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

To those republican fools citing Rasmussen: Gallup has the President 's approval at 50 to 52% right now. Stop citing the repthug's favoritee poster:Rasmussen. IT MEANS NOTHING.

Keep pressing, Mr. President. Our nation stands with you!!!

Posted by: rastaman48 | March 6, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

It's impossible to get good poll numbers. When live polling is done, 76% want a health care bill passed.
Posted by: blarsen1 | March 6, 2010 11:30 AM
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There is no doubt that a large majority "want a health care bill passed" but not Obama's. If you ask whether they want Obama's comprehensive massive take over of the Insurance Industry and those who actually deliver healthcare (doctors, nurses, PAs, Pharmaseutical Comanies and hospitals) or a series of bills that address separately the problems that plague us all (rising premiums, pre-existing conditions, caps, tort reform, and access across state lines), they will turn down the Obamacare bill. No one except a left wing radical wants the government to control health care. Next, after controlling energy with cap and trade, they will want to control the food supply. Why is the left trying to push this nation to revolt against the current government?

Posted by: Callie1 | March 6, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

The Health Reform Bill is truly Obama's folly. If he wants to fix the government he should stop trying to associate the ills the country faces with Wall Street and the private sector. The truth of the matter is is that it is the government and its workers salaries and their benefits that are driving our country into bankruptcy. There are fact based reports circulating now that government employees are are much better paid than their free market private sector counter parts for the same type work. The same reports indicate that associated employee benefits, like pension and health care costs, are four times higher on average per person than for equivalent positions or jobs in the private sector. Why would that be? How did that happen?
Maybe it was the result of no competition. Maybe the free market actually reduces cost because of competition?

Posted by: nychap44 | March 6, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Commenting reader "blakesouthwood" [March 6, 2010 10:42 AM] thinks that "Republicans had the majority in Congress for decades" but is more than a hundred years out-of-date, maybe thinking about the Party of Lincoln.

Actually there has been a Republican voting majority in both chambers of Congress for only 32 of the 110 years since 1900: 1901 through 1908, 1919 through 1928, 1953, 1954 and 1995 through 2006. Democrats had voting majorities in both chambers for 62 of those years: 1913 through 1918, 1933 through 1952, 1955 through 1980, 1987 through 1994 and 2007 through 2010 -- truly for "decades" with continuous spans of 20 and 26 years.

Republicans never had supermajorities in the Senate large enough to defeat a filibuster, but Democrats had them for 9 of those years: 1935 through 1942, 1964, 1965 and 2009. The used them in the 1930s to enact Social Security, the National Labor Relations Act, the Housing Act of 1937 and the Fair Labor Standards Act. They used them in the 1960s to enact Medicare, Medicaid and the National Voting Rights Act. They used them in 2009 to pass separate health reform bills in the House and Senate but have failed so far to reconcile those bills.

Posted by: AppDev | March 6, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse


Eric Massa the homosexual predator will no longer be voting Yes on Obamacare.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 6, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

It's Springtime and the dud-in-chief has a brown thumb when it comes to gardening!!!

Posted by: houston123 | March 6, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Pass the bill; but could you tack on ten million jobs, and buy back the Fed for the US taxpayers...this is what's required.

Posted by: fwrds | March 6, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Only the far left want Obamacare and not because it would reduce costs because it won't. Obama wants it because within the 2,000+ pages are bureaucracies with power over the people to make regulations that have the full force of the federal government behind them. If this bill is passed the result will be a massive power grab by the leftist government of Obama. We will be regulated and mandated to death as the government grows more powerful.

Posted by: Callie1 | March 6, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Republicans want to start from scratch and let the American people wait for another 16 years or longer. Can we afford that?

Posted by: ExpressReader | March 6, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"a partisan ploy that's tainted and tilted, which this legislation surely is."

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The republicans are getting more out of this bill than the democrats! The republicans are nothing but obstructionists who wouldn't vote for this bill if they wrote it themselves. Pay attention!

Posted by: blarsen1 | March 6, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"CRAPOLA"! - ALL OF THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AN 'UP-OR-DOWN-VOTE' of CONGRESS,-- IT HAS EVERYTHING to do with the "People-Stand-Up-and-Vote-these-Traitors-Out"!! - REDs against the BLUEs is just what the $Controllers want. - Get rid of these Criminal Globalist $BANKsters, whom control the Lobbyists, Congress, Our' $Money-Supply, and Our ECONOMY/JOBS!!! -- And also remove the 'turn-coats' in CONGRESS - NOW!!! --- So far NO new $Livable Wage Jobs; -- NO more available CREDIT; -- and soon back to $4 per gallon Gas! da! --- So far, all CONGRESS has done has been to $BAIL-OUT the Crooks whom Caued this Economic Terrorist CRISIS!! -- "PEOPLE - ENOUGH"!!

Posted by: jward52 | March 6, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

ITS TIME WE JUST KILLED OFF THE FILIBUSTER IN THE SENATE, WE DID IT IN THE HOUSE JUST BEFORE 1900 SO ITS TIME ITS 50+ FOR THE SENATE.
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Yup, if you can't get your way, you change the rules.
Mr. Bush did it, so Mr. Obama should, too, right?
I voted for Mr. Obama because he said he was going to change Washington. The opposite is occurring, as far as I can tell.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 6, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

What everyone seems to forget is the ONLY reason you make a bill bipartisan is to GET VOTES from the other side.
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I disagree. By garnering bipartisan support, we ensure that landmark legislation is balanced and true.
Anything less suggests a partisan ploy that's tainted and tilted, which this legislation surely is.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 6, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

How about what the American public wants. Obama and his family have private docs in the white house. The public doesn't want this health care bill. They want something reasonable and not so costly.

Posted by: tonyjm | March 6, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

It's impossible to get good poll numbers. When live polling is done, 76% want a health care bill passed. Landlines are a thing of the past with most people, especially with the under 40 crowd. The poll numbers you see in the media are heavily biased and Rasmussen knows it. Their polling said the presidential race was too close to call. Hello?? Can you say "landslide"? I knew you could.

Posted by: blarsen1 | March 6, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

so now they lying promise breaker we mistakenly said could be honored with the office of president once again shows what a two faced pos he is.
listen to his statements from his limited senate days.

ITS TIME WE JUST KILLED OFF THE FILIBUSTER IN THE SENATE, WE DID IT IN THE HOUSE JUST BEFORE 1900 SO ITS TIME ITS 50+ FOR THE SENATE.

Posted by: infantry11b4faus | March 6, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I Didn't know Richard Nixon was a Republican-Socialist President For 7 Years, WOW...

"Turning now to the rest of the agenda for 1974, the time is at hand this year to bring comprehensive, high quality health care within the reach of every American. I shall propose a sweeping new program that will assure comprehensive health insurance protection to millions of Americans who cannot now obtain it or afford it, with vastly improved protection against catastrophic illnesses."

(Richard Nixon, January 30, 1974)
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"Nixon first proposed national health insurance as a conservative California congressman in 1947. He grew up poor and lost two brothers to tuberculosis, which marked him for life. He frequently pointed to the cure for tuberculosis as a medical marvel that underscored the need for a public-private partnership on health care.

"It was something personal for him,"

Price said of Nixon's Health-Care Push."
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Nixon's and Obama's reform proposals are not radical changes to the current health care system, and neither are socialist. As Steve Pearlstein notes, the past 30 years has seen the political center to the right after the Presidency of Ronald Reagan, and proposals that would be moderate in Nixon's time seem more radical today. Obama and today's progressives need to push the political center more to the left again, to be able to define the debate on progressive reforms on more fair terms. I'm not a fan of Richard Nixon, but his advocacy of health care reform is something that many people can support. If someone like Nixon has advocated universal health care proposals that are similar to Obama's, then it should show people that those proposals aren't socialist, but work to improve the capitalist system of its flaws.

In his 1992 book, "Seize the Moment,"

Nixon wrote a passage that eerily echoes the arguments of Democrats today:
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Posted by: omaarsblade | March 6, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

1,2,3...

Look around this nation. There are 20-30 million searching for work, for a means to earn a living.

Tack on a automatic 10% escalator clauses for funding in existing programs in education, transporation, and health care, and put a dent in the joblessness plaguing this nation.

Violates the rules your say...no worse the the millions of illegal mortgage and consumer debt contracts banks and credit card companies are using to steal money from their customers.

And while you're at it, buy the Fed back from it's private owners for the benifit of US taxpayers.

This is long overdue.

Posted by: fwrds | March 6, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

This mus be an awfully smelly piece of garbage if Obama can't buy enough votes with one bribe after another....


Posted by: Jerzy | March 6, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Rasmussen does nothing to correct for the fact that many young adults no longer have a landlines, despite being voters. So the polls are skewed in favor of older Americans who are more likely to have a home phone, and also less likely to have voted for Obama in the first place. Hence, the only polls that count are the ones that take place every two, four and six years.

Posted by: onifadee | March 6, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"that is called REALITY despite what you guys pretend is going on. its as real is SCOTT BROWN."
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Reality includes all the available facts, not just the ones that suit your agenda. Here are some more facts:

Gallup: 50 approval/44 disapproval
Ipsos/McClatchy: 53 approval/44 disapproval
Fox News: 47 approval/45 disapproval
Newsweek: 48 approval/40 disapproval

I guess those were left out, because they don't fit the skewed reality you're trying to create?

I'm glad that reality for the rest of us doesn't revolve around a skewed presentation of facts; it includes the stuff we like and dislike.

Oh, and a final note, of all the polls currently available for the Realclearpolitics.com polling average (which is currently a net positive), the Rasumussen poll is the only one to show a net disapproval rating. Even the Fox News poll shows a net approval rating!

Posted by: associate20 | March 6, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

It is time for a vote. So many people are hurting. Millions are without insurance or under insured. Premiums have gone up 17%-39% this year alone. Millions of poor families with children have been excluded from Medicaid (as has happened in my state). Despite the skyrocketing premiums, policies cover less, have high deductibles, low caps on coverage and are subject to rescission (or having your employer lay you off so as not to have to insure you when you get really sick).

Meanwhile, the health insurance companies make billions, and they spend huge amounts on lobbyists and campaign contributions to keep the goose laying the golden eggs.

In other words, health care and health insurance costs will bankrupt the country and destroy what is left of the middle class. They must be brought under control. Health care services must be distributed fairly, not just to the rich and for the benefit of the rich.

Pass strong health care reform now.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | March 6, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I can just see the Democrats in Congress lining up to commit political suicide by support Obama's efforts to Rahm this bill down our throats...not.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 25% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-two percent (42%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -17 (see trends).

Fifty-five percent (55%) say that Congress should scrap the current health care legislation and start over. Thirty-seven percent (37%) disagree.

Posted by: JCM-51 | March 6, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

What's truly sad is that by forcing this tainted bill to its timely defeat, Mr. Obama will have squantered any chance at real healthcare reform.
Yet it's not too late. He could easily come up with a less costly, more effective plan by stopping the insurer abuses, lifting the anti-trust exemption, and allowing the reimportation of less costly prescription drugs.
The health industry lobbyists would have a hissyfit, but Americans would love it, and Mr. Obama's creditability would be restored.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 6, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

What everyone seems to forget is the ONLY reason you make a bill bipartisan is to GET VOTES from the other side. The republifarts have already said they won't vote for it so why should we include ANYTHING for them in this bill? Screw'em. If we have to use reconciliation, just pass single payer or public option.

Posted by: blarsen1 | March 6, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

One way to stop premiums from skyrocketing would be to force competition among insurers. Currently the vast majority of health insurance markets are monopolized, allowing rigged prices.
Unfortunately, Mr. Obama's plan does not end the anti-trust exemption. This simple step would lower premium rates at no cost to the taxpayers.
Also missing from Mr. Obama's plan is allowing for the safe reimportation of less costly prescription drugs. According to Senate testimony, this simple step would save consumers $100 billion over the next ten years, also at no cost to taxpayers.
Wealthcare Reform: Windfalls for insurers, welfare for the rest.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 6, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

again,
Saturday, March 06, 2010
Rasmussen

25% Strongly Approve
42% Strongly Disapprove
Approval Index of -17
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that is called REALITY despite what you guys pretend is going on. its as real is SCOTT BROWN.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 6, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

what is SIMPLE is that clearly Republicans want to pass a bill but what is presented is not what is best for the country.

there have been at least 15 proposals from Republicans that is far, far better than anything Democrts have brought forward but pride wont let them have something advance that they didnt come up with. if you watched the summit obama came to reinforce what he proposed not to compromise.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 6, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"You also do nothing to convince younger folks."
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ACTUALLY?
if you were fully informed or if you are informed and just being untruthful you would post that the larest descent from obama is among the younger voters. you see that demographic FINALLY figured out that the larger portion of this healthcare cost will fall DIRECTLY on them.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 6, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

It's really simple.
If the Republicans wanted to pass Universal Health Care
then they would have passed it while Reagan, Bush1, Bush2 were president or when President Clinton was president.
Instead the Republicans prevented Universal Health Care from
passing. The Republicans had the majority in Congress for decades.

The Republicans retort for universal health care is that
it's liberal socialism since it adds to the deficit and will cost
1 Trillion dollars over ten years.

But how would the Republicans explain their $1.7 trillion in tax cuts that the Republicans in Congress passed using reconciliation and Cheney's vote for themselves when Bush2 (W) was president. How is that not socialism. The Republicans are subsidized by middle class Americans paying taxes that the Republicans don't want to pay. This makes the Republicans hypocrites. It also makes the Republicans free-loaders and anti-tax which makes them UnAmerican.

Posted by: blakesouthwood | March 6, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse


Saturday, March 06, 2010
Rasmussen

25% Strongly Approve
42% Strongly Disapprove
Approval Index of -17

((obviously, IMO, clearly this is not about "helping americans." this is about fulfilling an agenda for special interests and strategically setting up certain individuals to receive taxpayers' money))

this in my opinion has reached the status of SHAME.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | March 6, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm surprised Massachusets counts as all of America since when Bush ran, it was barely part of America. I also am waiting patiently for my vote in the Massachusetts special election, if it is to count for the entire nation.

You folks may have worked yourself into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy right now, but you certainly haven't moved opinion about the President very much. Even with almost 10% unemployment, he's still doing all right. You also do nothing to convince younger folks.

It's also crazy how poorly informed the lot of you are. It's always the same BS talking points. Come up with some real complaints instead of making things up for once!

Posted by: jjhare | March 6, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I am not a huge fan of this bill, but I also know that Republicans had eight years to start from scratch on health care and did nothing to tackle this issue. Why am i supposed to believe that they'll do it now? Why is it that this issue only becomes an issue when there is a Democrat in office. Otherwise, it is just a case of sitting idly by while rates continue to soar and Medicare costs balloon the deficit. Do I think we should start over - possibly. Do I think this will happen if this plan fails - not a chance.

Posted by: xoxthevalentines | March 6, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Another day.
Another photo op of the President with people in white lab coats.
Another Presidential push for legislation roundly opposed by the American people.
Another day of rampant unemployment.
Another day of our President diddling while American burns.
Another day of our long national nightmare.

Posted by: Chippewa | March 6, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse


Don't know where you are getting your stats that American voters don't want HCR. Must be a repulsive website issuing the numbers.
The American voter has repeatedly stated they want the insurance companies reigned in. And while this year has passed with repulsives fighting the "abortion issue" within the bill......insurance companies have raised monthly premiums by $60.00.

Insurance companies don't want this bill to pass because they might have to start abiding by law. What a concept uh?

Have you read the bill? Do you know that repulsives in Senate are getting paid by insurance companies NOT to pass it.

It's taken a year already because repulsives refuse to budge on ABORTION.
Repulsives want Roe vs Wade overturned so bad they can taste it. And they are holding up this bill because of it.
Everything is "not good enough". While Americans squander.

And please do list the promises that have not been kept by our President. Substantial ones please. Not ones like "couldn't get a CSPAN contract to televise everything he wanted".
Substantial ones please.

About 7 years or so ago I remember a President named Bush convincing all of America that Iraq had WMDs. Oh yes siree, they had them in droves don'tcha know.

And on immigration - can you say Haiti earthquake? Immigration law and code is being tweaked to accomodate Haiti's displaced people.
But of course, they are all undocumented.
Heaven forbid.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | March 6, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse


Let him have his vote...and watch Pelosi's House cut him off at the knees...and the Senators bail on Reid.

Obama won't find a majority in either house willing to commit political suicide to pass this bill.

Posted by: JCM-51 | March 6, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I do believe that Barry, aka The Liar in Chief, aka The Man Child currently playing in the Oval Office is off his O.C.D. Med's again !!!

What other reason could explain his Obsessive Compulsive behavior ???

A majority of the U.S. Citizens/Voters/Taxpayers have voted DOWN on this proposed Legislation, but they are deemed stupid by Barry because he has this Obsession for leaving Nationalized HealthCare as HIS Legacy.

BTW: Barry made many promises during his attempts to get elected which have gone unfulfilled. Now we are supposed to believe that he is telling us the truth with his promises about his HealthCare ???
Man Child Barry, Botox SanFranNan, Senile Harry are all Professional Politicians !!! They are experts at lies in their efforts to pass their Legislation !!!

Then they will be sending YOU and I the Bill to pay for this !!!

Posted by: thgirbla | March 6, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Conservative hand-wringing hyperbole aside, the bill is a massive improvement over the status quo. Please pass it.

Posted by: jeffwacker | March 6, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Obamakrautzenburg's agenda is to take over 1/6 of the economy, kill the American dollar, usher in his Eurotrash replacement, and become the dictator of his New Wold Order. He dreams of it, has nocturnal emissions about it, and is determined to push this bullchit bill on American CITIZENS who do not desire it.

Fix the problem with how the insurance co's rape us, insure those wombats who support this crap, and leave the rest of American alone who like their plans. He is a baldfaced liar when he says his socialist bill will not affect Americans who love their plans and doctors. See here: http://nakedemperornews.com

He, and all of his supporters should move to Greenland, and set up base there. There is where he can experience his vision of Utopia and enact his j.o. fantasies of ruling a mob of people. Because he sure as hell won't be able to set up his autocratic, despotic rule here in the United States of America.


I find it reprehensible that he bought Matheson's vote by appointing Matheson's brother to a judicial position. Now isn't THAT some crap?? After he said during his State of the Union lying speech, that he KNOWS Americans are tired of deals that are made to pass the bill; yet he turns around and does it AGAIN!! What a crock of crap this lying crook is.


NOW, before he's even finished with HCR, he's moving onto Immigration. Betcha he's going to attempt to pass a bill to allow the illegal aliens living here to become citizens (which would include his AUNTIE); and these illegals will be so happy that HE made them citizens, and got them healthcare that they will vote for him in2012 so he can finish off his planned destruction of American He's been paid a lot of money by the elite (who controls the Fed Reserve) to accomplish this.


There must be a way to get rid of this de-facto POOTUS. His own people don't even want him: See here. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5heoXBZvGlfKplST27X9OzvXO3bWwD9E8FTM82

Posted by: obamaalmighT | March 6, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Obama's demagoguery might have gotten more traction at an earlier date ... back when he had some credibility.

Now he has NONE ... even within his own Party.

We already had an "up or down vote" ... it yielded Scott Brown as Senator from Massachusetts.
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Posted by: gitarre | March 6, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

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