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Pelosi: Public option not in legislation

Updated 12:56 p.m.
In her weekly news conference, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi expressed confidence that health-care reform would pass. But she also rang a death-knell for the persistent hopes of progressive Democrats that a public option could make an appearance in the final bill, despite months of evidence to the contrary.

"It won't be very long and we'll be making a real difference in the life of the American people," she said, declaring herself "very exhilarated" by the tone in the Democratic caucus Friday morning.

However, Pelosi said there would be no public option in the legislation. "We had it; we wanted it," she told reporters. "It's not in reconciliation ... We're talking about something that's not going to be part of the legislation."

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said that senators would whip aggressively for a public option -- but only if it was included in the bill sent over by the House.

"I'm quite sad that a public option isn't in there." Pelosi added. "But it isn't a case of it's not in there because the Senate is whipping against it. It's not in there because they don't have the votes to have it in there."

By Rachel Weiner  |  March 12, 2010; 12:07 PM ET
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Obama made a deal with the for-profit hospital industry to not sign a law with the public option. Copy-paste-Google these article titles: (Huffington Post) "The Real Reason Obama's Plan Doesn't Include a Public Option" and "Obama, Durbin and Pelosi All Point Fingers at Someone Else for Killing Public Option" ---- (New York Times) "Obama Is Taking an Active Role in Talks on Health Care Plan" ---- From the NY Times article: "Several hospital lobbyists involved in the White House deals said it was understood as a condition of their support that the final legislation would not include a government-run health plan........"We have an agreement with the White House that I'm very confident will be seen all the way through conference," one of the industry lobbyists, Chip Kahn, director of the Federation of American Hospitals, told a Capitol Hill newsletter." ---- Why is the mainstream media other than the New York Times and Huffington Post not reporting this? Where are the real journalists?

Posted by: Keefanda | March 15, 2010 4:34 AM | Report abuse

ploosie public opinion is so low that they are ashamed to put it up for people to see and as far as their health care most of the people don,t want it and don,t want to have to pay for lazy and sorry people to sit in the doctor office and hospital beds where a real sick person can,t get in . it will be overcrowded by people just wanting to rest that are to lazy to work . i already have seen it happen on medicaid so don,t say it want happen

Posted by: mahye1935 | March 13, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Now, let's see..."public option" means the restroom is open to the general public, right?....cuz sure in hell the Demoncrats will be making weewee ... until the midterms, anyway......what enslaved jokers.

Posted by: connyankee1 | March 13, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Now, let's see..."public option" means the restroom is open to the general public, right?....cuz sure in hell the Demoncrats will be making weewee ... until the midterms, anyway......what enslaved jokers.

Posted by: connyankee1 | March 13, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Reesh, I hate to have to tell you this, but people are responsible for themselves. Do you think that when someone got sick in 1776 that everyone ran around saying "pass a health care bill quick"? No, because government nannyism wasn't even a gleem in Marx's eye. I have health care, I worked my ass off for it. I have no desire to pay for the many lazy jerks who will take advantage of universal health care. For those truly needy, there are options, or do you think the county hospitals that I support charge fees to the needy. There are friends family and churches. If you can't make it like that, you just can't make it.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 12, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

An IRS-enforced mandate to buy already over-priced insurance without a public option is going to go over like a pregnant pole vaulter.

And that's from this liberal's point of view. I can only imagine how that's going to play among the Right.

While so-called conservatives may decry this legislation as some sort of government bogeyman, I will attack it as a bailout of the heartless insurance companies, who no longer have to worry about healthy individuals not paying into the scam.

It stinketh to high heaven.

Posted by: bluicebank | March 12, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Mygrant issues get rather complicated, so this could take longer and require more fire power than first thought. More debate is healthy and what's not good for your health isn't good for your wealth. Then there are collateral issues and other damages to consider. I'm feeling blue, but it runs in the family.

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Posted by: ggitkonlyyou | March 12, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

BillyBob7 says

"Reesh: many people have health insurance through their employers. You seem smart enough that you would know that individuals and families under corporate health insurance plans cannot be dropped when they get sick. You are a partisan hack (wanting to hang all Republicans and calling the GOP the Party of No - think of something original, will you?) who wants to regurgitate partisan soundbites. Alright, alright, we get it: GW Bush is the anti-Christ, ya da ya da ya da. It's getting old. Make a good case for healthcare reform...an argument based on the merits, not on the tired old rhetoric of scare tactics and bashing the opposition party. After all, you did support our last administration didn't you? Did you not oppose everything the last President tried to implement? Isn't that a Party of No?"

Bill, I guess I should apologize to all of you. I thought this was an open forum and that people was free to express their opinions. That apparently was a mistake. My last post was sequestered and possibly dumped. So much for those much heralded freedoms that the right claims to espouse.

Yes, you have a point about employer provided healthcare. Insurers are usually contractually prohibited from dropping coverage after an illness occurs; but that's only a fraction of employees and none of the millions of unemployed in today's ever changing economy.

Do you really believe it's conscionable to collect premiums for years while an insured is health then dump them when they get sick?

Let me ask an even tougher question. How can any moral individual having health care insurance oppose health care reform that provides universal health care? The uninsured (the poor, employed, and unemployed) all pay taxes. Government tax breaks to employers subsidize employer provided insurance. The present system has the uninsured helping to pay the costs of those insured through their employers. In your estimation, Bill, is that moral? People die for want of adequate health care. That's acceptable to you?

Posted by: Reesh | March 12, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Have any of you noticed the "public opinion polls" never ask, "are you in favor of a public option?" anymore? Y'all can scream about these "polls" but they don't reflect the public opinion much better than a cow pie.

I want the public option /single payer.

Posted by: glenglish | March 12, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

This is the most corrupt congress in history. Blatant bribery, I've never seen anything so clearly wrong be applauded by people in power. These are Saul Alinsky disciples, wn at any cost. Lie if you have to, destroy who you have to, check your morals and ethics at the door, but put on a big show. Lord I do hate them so.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 12, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Reesh: many people have health insurance through their employers. You seem smart enough that you would know that individuals and families under corporate health insurance plans cannot be dropped when they get sick. You are a partisan hack (wanting to hang all Republicans and calling the GOP the Party of No - think of something original, will you?) who wants to regurgitate partisan soundbites. Alright, alright, we get it: GW Bush is the anti-Christ, ya da ya da ya da. It's getting old. Make a good case for healthcare reform...an argument based on the merits, not on the tired old rhetoric of scare tactics and bashing the opposition party. After all, you did support our last administration didn't you? Did you not oppose everything the last President tried to implement? Isn't that a Party of No?

Posted by: BillyBob7 | March 12, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

kypriotis says:

"The comment by "Reesh"--the very first comment in this section--does not belong in a civilized newspaper. He declares that half of Republicans should be hung, then says disgraced Congressman Eric Massa "is only the tip of the Republican iceberg."
Massa is a Democrat, you uninformed
foulmouth!"

"Reesh" also can't understand why Republicans say the American people "don't want health care reform." They don't say that, Mr. Pants-on-Fire, they say the truth as Republicans always do, that the American people don't want THIS CROOKED BILL that Obama, Pelosi and Reid are pushing to destroy health care, destroy the American economy and enslave the American people. Get it? Or if you think as swiftly as Pelosi does, come back in a million years when you figure out what I just wrote."
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First, the entire 8 year GW Bush tenure in the Whitehouse is fraught with corruption and fraud starting with his election where the "books were cooked" by his brother's administration in Florida. My use of hung of course does not call for literal hanging. This country does not do that. I called for hanging figuratively, as in prosecuted. I am quite aware that Mr. Massa was elected as a Democrat but he was a lifelong Republican who voted as a republican after being voted into office by latching onto the coattails of the democratic backlash against Republicans. GW Bush is a special case as I think he may really have an insanity defense available to him. That is and was one scary dude. To think, you guys put the nuclear launch button at his disposal. How nutty are you people?

Second, I certainly can understand why Republicans (the Party Of No) oppose every proposal made by Democrats. You are drowning in their own ilk and don't care if they bring the country down with you. How else to explain your rambling that the healthcare bill will enslave citizens? That ranks up there with "death panels," the "birther" loons, and alternatively calling President Obama (who is more republican in orientation than democratic) a socialist, fascist, dictator, and communist without seeing a contradiction or feeling the least bit silly.

Posted by: Reesh | March 12, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

USA Today/Gallup Health Care Poll -

49% Opposed
42% Favor
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Misleading statistics. Some oppose this bill because it does not have the public option but still support health care reform.

Posted by: sr31 | March 12, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

This bill is a stinker! Obama just wants to get bragging rights, he never wanted the public option. He really doesn't give a hoot. His loyalties aren't with us "wallpaper", he is firmly aligned with big pharma, insurance and wall street. Look at his actions not his words.

Posted by: WingsofCrystal | March 12, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

aepelbaum says:
"Without public option, Reesh, this bill is the complete garbage, and the further destruction of health care and USA economy.
We-the people, the majority of American voters know it very, very well."

Nonsense, and that's your opinion only. Democrats did not run on a 'public option' health care reform package. Voters voted for health care reform that prevented insurer abuse and reigned in the high cost of health care. Many Democrats believe that the best solution to that is a public option but any reform is better than no reform. You want a more comprehensive package than what is likely to get passed by this not very progressive Congress? Vote more republicans out of Office and demand that democrats nominate only progressives for office.

This is a no-brainer, unless you think it's fair for insurance companies to charge the healthy premiums and then drop coverage when their get sick. Do you really believe that's ethical?

Posted by: Reesh | March 12, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse


USA Today/Gallup Health Care Poll -

49% Opposed
42% Favor

Posted by: geo82170 | March 12, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression."
- Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801

Posted by: jjcrocket3 | March 12, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

The more FACTS the Americans get about health care reform, the more they APPROVE of it... and Dems and Obama's approval #s poll higher and higher.

Getting a little nervous, Republicans?

Posted by: jgarrisn | March 12, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

This is the first step toward a Public Option.

No, we won't get it on this first pass, but we will get there.

It might take until Obama's 2nd term, but at least we're moving in the CORRECT direction now!

My only concern is that the changes that will come about with this health care reform package will actually drive down the demand for a public option... I think adding a public option, even along with all the good changes in the current proposed health care bill, will make a good thing better.
But I wonder, with as high as the demand is for the public option now, will lawmakers really push for it in 6 years when the demand is lower because americans are happier with their private health care options?

Posted by: jgarrisn | March 12, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Majority of Americans want the Public/Option, and this registered Voter/Vet USAF is one of them! Democrats need to do this right or not at all!

Republicans are the party of NO as they already have the best government health insurance your tax dollars can buy them they just don't want you to have it!

..."Be sure now you run and Vote Republican again,they sure do appreciate you, as they vote "NO" on you getting what they have, and "NO" on keeping you from every getting it!

..."Wow only a "FOOL" would vote REpublican again after the MESS they dumped in all our laps, including President Barack!

..."Givem hell....Democrats, and I mean...."POUR IT ON!

Posted by: ztcb41 | March 12, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

A matter of Public Health deserves a Public Option.A democratic state is there to help the weak against powerful lobbies like the pharmaceutical and Insurance lobbies.They also were cooperative with the CRISIS.
The State is not a intruder but a controler of the PUBLIC HEALTH.Many times I read this motto on police cars:"To Protect and to Serve"That is it.Act as a Legal State and do not worry too much about the Republican Whip.Remember the "Animal Farm" and your own Revolution.Tea bags and whips to the Boston Bay.

Posted by: justdiogo | March 12, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

So if this is the greatest country on earth, how come it voted so strongly for your Arch-Enemy? Or maybe you mean it used to be the greatest--before Teddy Roosevelt and his tree-hugging and his Trust-busting.

Posted by: charlesosborne2002 | March 12, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Go Dems! Pass the bill!

Posted by: Felipe_M | March 12, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

The comment by "Reesh"--the very first comment in this section--does not belong in a civilized newspaper. He declares that half of Republicans should be hung, then says disgraced Congressman Eric Massa "is only the tip of the Republican iceberg."
Massa is a Democrat, you uninformed
foulmouth!

"Reesh" also can't understand why Republicans say the American people "don't want health care reform." They don't say that, Mr. Pants-on-Fire, they say the truth as Republicans always do, that the American people don't want THIS CROOKED BILL that Obama, Pelosi and Reid are pushing to destroy health care, destroy the American economy and enslave the American people. Get it? Or if you think as swiftly as Pelosi does, come back in a million years when you figure out what I just wrote.

Posted by: kypriotis | March 12, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Without public option, Reesh, this bill is the complete garbage, and the further destruction of health care and USA economy.
We-the people, the majority of American voters know it very, very well.

Posted by: aepelbaum | March 12, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Reesh;

The voters have a 100 Trillion reasons, 18-20% un and under employment (obviously no concern to you), and a looming tax burden of staggering magnitude as factual reasons for not wanting a Health Care reform Act that adds trillions more to the load.

• There is 20% un and under employment in our country today. Yesterday new unemployment claims were announced as 462,000. In the minds of most of us, employed or un & underemployed, the 1st priority should be dealing with getting ALL of AMERICA BACK to WORK (as the President & Congress promised they would! Drop the Keynesian Economic spending voodoo and focus on Small Business where 70-80% of all new jobs emanate)
• There is $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities for Social Security, Medicare & Veterans Benefits; National Debt; and US currency held abroad. According to the USPopClock there are as of yesterday 308,847,856 people in the US. This works out $323,784.00 of unfunded liabilities & debt for every man woman & child in the country. We are obviously ignoring the trillions of dollars of Congressional & Presidentially authorized deficit spending to come. Nor does it take into account the trillions of unfunded state mandates, separate spending bills planned in the proposed Healthcare bill before Congress. The recent Forbes 400 richest citizens by ASSETS have less than $2 trillion. Congress can confiscate it all and not pay the interest on the debt or inflation on the unfunded liabilities FOR 1 YEAR! Translated another way, if this was the average citizen, we would be forced to declare bankruptcy. Why do you believe our country is not flirting with equally dangerous issues??
• Do you have any concept of the horrendous negative impact ALL of the preceding have? The tax increases required to reduce the debt, the inflationary impact on the unfunded liabilities and the deficit spending, the effect of higher interest rates on business and individuals as the Federal Reserve fights inflation and the lower new job creation and further unemployment as the economy contacts under this mountain of debt and unfunded liabilities Congress has built. This is a PONZI SCHEME to make Bernie Madoff blush!

• To my knowledge, Congress has no cogent plan to deal with ANY of the foregoing.

My straight forward question is as follows: Are you on drugs, have you lost your mind or do you believe the voters/taxpayers are or have? The other possibility is you believe the voters/taxpayers are so stupid as to not understand any of the above. Given a majority of the country is opposed to the proposed Health Care bill and is infuriated that the President has reneged (lied) about giving the voters 5 days time to comment on any bill prior to his signature, may haps this Real Clear Politics poll will disabuse you of any such forlorn hope.
Job Approval Approve Disapprove Spread
Obama 48.5% 46.0% +2.5%
Congress 19.3% 75.7% -56.4%
Direction of Country Right Direction Wrong Track Spread
RCP Average 33.4% 61.0% -27.6%

Posted by: PRRWRITER | March 12, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I am curious, if Pelosi thinks that in spite of the fact that this health bill has no public option, she would be still reelected by her liberal district, which, certainly, wants this public option and does not any health reform bill without it, or she thinks that it is anyhow the time for her to retire. I, somehow, doubt the latter. This comedy all together is really outrageous.

Posted by: aepelbaum | March 12, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

At this stage of game, not really suprised. Those of us who have been following the process anticipated this was coming.

My only concern: with all the political capital we thought the Democrats had--it has come down to this. The GOP are absolutely good at playing their hands. Give credit where its due. They know how to prevail under the heading 'minority'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOII_-Q258E

Posted by: Victoria5 | March 12, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

It's startling to still hear republicans complain that the people of the United States don't want health care reform. It boggles the mind actually. Were they all drunk during 2008? Democrats campaigned and won on that issue. The People demand health care reform. Democrats have a mandate on the issue. The People have if anything lost some confidence in the Democrats because they didn't act aggressively enough to put through the agenda they said they were committed to.

You can't be nice to Republicans or junkyard dogs. They only respect force. Heck Massa is only the tip of the Republican iceberg. Half of them could easily be hung with good cause. Let's see some good old fashioned witch hunts.

Posted by: Reesh | March 12, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I WANT A CHOICE.

This is all I want. I want to be able to pick and choose the best coverage for me at the best price.
In my state, and with my employer I HAVE NO CHOICE -- I can only have AETNA who denied over 80% of my family claims last year.

Why should I be paying $1200.month family coverage if they aren't going to cover anything??

F)O*U them! NO choice I will go without and SKIP on the bills. I am sick to death of this system. I own my house, have no debt and I WILL NOT GO BANKRUPTY because some stupid little CEO of AETNA wants a new house in VAIL.

COngress doesn't make some acceptible solutions available then they can f$(& off as well.

Posted by: racerdoc | March 12, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

If Ms Pelosi knows what is in and whats not in the legislation, then why did she tell us earlier this week we needed to pass the bill before we were able to find out what is in it?
I forgot, Speaker Pelosi and credibility are mutually exclusive!

Posted by: rteske | March 12, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow... lots of hatred out there. Does anyone care to acknowledge that healthcare costs are the very expenses that are bankrupting this nation? Almost anything is better than the status quo. The bill should pass, and people will amend the heck out of it in the future to "improve" it.

Maybe you like the Medicare donut hole that this bill closes. Maybe you can't care less about people who can't get healthcare. Maybe you think its better for the free market to dictate who lives and who dies. I thought our country was better than that.

What this bill does not do is 1) take the country to socialism, 2) bankrupt the country any further ... it reduces the deficit which I thought was a good thing, 3) and take your health care away.

So why do you all hate it so much? Because it came from a President that you hate more than the devil himself. Obama could propose tax cuts for all, kick all minorities out the country, and profess his love for JESUS and you would still hate him. I wonder why?

Posted by: crw901025 | March 12, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

The Obama-Pelosi decision to impose their health care program against the wishes of the American people is eerily reminiscent of what Lenin wrote in “State and Revolution” (1918): “In capitalist society, providing it develops under the most favourable conditions, we have a more or less complete democracy in the democratic republic. . . . But from this capitalist democracy … forward development… proceeds through the dictatorship of the proletariat…And the dictatorship of the proletariat … cannot result merely in an expansion of democracy. [T]he workers' party is the vanguard of the proletariat, capable of … being the teacher, the guide, the leader of all the working and exploited people in organizing their social life...” This is no coincidence. Contemporary progressives are the heirs of Henry Wallace’s Progressive Party in 1948, which was explicitly supported by the communist party. We may call them “the neocoms.”

Posted by: suegbic1 | March 12, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Point of clarification... shouldn't the new buzzword 'deemed' being bandied about around DC be properly spelled as Demed* ... representing an act of being steamrollered, snookered, or robbed blind by Democrats on a tear to present their guy with his last victory in this or any election season?

*Note: the e is long, as the bill is long on promises and short on how to pay for it all without loading up the middle class with taxes, fees and higher costs.

Posted by: dbsinOakRidge | March 12, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

So basically nobody actually likes the bill, except maybe for its title.

What a waste. DOT was furloughed for this.

Posted by: corrections | March 12, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Why scream about the bill if you are so sure it will win Repubs the majority again? Just get out of our way and let us destroy ourselves. Could it be you know that this will be a major accomplishment for those brave enough to act and you just can't stand it?

Posted by: Sharon1949 | March 12, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I want to vote both parties out. I want health care reform but what the Dem's are shoving won't do it. The Rep could have done reform while Bush was in and they just spent like there was no tomorrow. For the public option to work all health care worker including doctors would have to work directly for the government and all health care offices and hospitals would have to be taken over by the government. Sorry people that will never fly in this country.
So what should we do. Control the cost drives. Force providers to price services based on the average cost for the same test or service in 20 other countries and then adjust for cost of living. Our costs would then drop by 60% if the government would take care of medical liability. Fixed then lets kick out all the illegals by passing a national ID so that in order to work you have to have a ID and make employers that hire illegals to pay large fines and jail time. That is what I would do.

Posted by: tim237 | March 12, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

This must mean that a public option will be introduced any day now.. She won't quit that easy..... she has an agenda...

Jobs? What jobs?

Posted by: tbastian | March 12, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

People like TheSpectator just don't get it.

Universal care? If you mean don't leave any sick person untreated, regardless of poverty, then we do NOT need this huge bill to take over all our lives. We do not need government to tell all others what to do; all we need a little more efficient welfare for treatments some cannot afford to pay. Yes, liberal friends, treat all the sick but leave those of us with coverage alone, free from Obama/Pelosi and most of all, free from the liberal/progressive mindset which insists they know better what's good for us. The fact is you DO NOT, and that's why more and more people are angry at the liberal leaders. Now TheSpectator, you got the point?

Posted by: rimantas1 | March 12, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Yes the heatlh system is messed up. Yes the country is in debt beyond control. But to pass this bill is way past wrong. How crazy is it to pass a bill and then fix whats wrong with it after it passes? Why is this so called leader of ours, (yeah right) in such a hurry to pass this crap. America is the greatest country in the world and we deserve a bill that is worthy of that fact. It should be writen so that it doesn't have to be fixed later. It should be done right the first time. If it does pass I hope it spends years in court because no were in the constitution does it give the government the right to tell me I have to buy a product or service. And if I don't I will be fined.

Posted by: rainman2 | March 12, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Long live the death knell of this moronic health care bill(s). These Left Wing whackos are oblivious to reality. Jimmy Carter has to be the happiest man in the world; he's no longer the country's worst president.

Posted by: BobBumleg | March 12, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many of the people who do not have health coverage, have the time or the opportunity to blog about it? In this employer based healthcare system, who pays for the healthcare offered to employees? Possibly the employers pass on the costs to their customers. So no matter how you like to talk about it, America has socialised coverage: everyone pays for everyone elses' coverage: military sector, public sector and private sector. The problem we have is the coverage does not reach everyone as some basic level. The real question is not how expanded coverage is paid for, tax payers are paying that already, it is how do we make that selective coverage into universal care?

Posted by: TheSpectator | March 12, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse


Now Pelosi is actually telling these Dim congressmen that since they are going to be voted out of office in eight months anyway, they might as well vote for Obamacare.

The Dims are on a Kamikaze mission now, no turning back.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 12, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi does indeed have the Mark of the Beast on her Forehead and her Hand. Spread the word people. The mark of the beast on your forehead is when you accept the Anti-Christ through blind faith. The mark of the beast on your hand is when you accept the Anti-Christ through gifts. People Obama is the Anti-Christ that you have all read about. You have been warned. The future is not set and can go in two very different directions. Get involved and help stop this massive take over.

Posted by: makom | March 12, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Why are the Democrats in such a rush to get themselves voted out of office in November?

Posted by: badgerburg | March 12, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Why are the Democrats in such a rush to get themselves voted out of office in November?

Posted by: badgerburg | March 12, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

If Dems want to get CRUSHED in the next election by the Republican lunatics, then they should pass the so called health care bill that they have introduced in Dec/09 which dose not have a real Public Option yet it mandates people to buy health care from the same for profit health care companies that have brought us the current bankrupting health care system. Because it is so bad as it is that it makes the Republican lunatics and the current health care system look good...

OTOH, if Dems want to CRUSH the Republicans in the next election, then they should pass real and strong Public Option or the much better single payer health care, because then they can show what complete lunatics Republicans are to be for the current health care system in the US which is bankrupting the American people and thus government, plus killing 50,000 Americans per year at least due to being denied health care and sending at least 2Mill Americans per year into bankruptcy and many other atrocities due to the current health care that benefits the super rich that control the Big Pharma & Big Insurance at the back of the American middle class.

More details here:
http://anoox.com/blog/Real_News.38034

Posted by: RealNews1 | March 12, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"It won't be very long and we'll be making a real difference in the life of the American people," she said, declaring herself "very exhilarated" by the tone in the Democratic caucus Friday morning."
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Nancy HAS to present a false positive front, otherwise the Party will fall apart.

She doesn't have the votes to pass the Senate bill - as written - warts and all. If she did, the bill would have sailed through weeks ago.

Posted by: asmith1 | March 12, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I applaud the Post for maintaining this blog. But if your policy is to remove "reviews . . . that include . . . personal attacks and other inappropriate comments," then I'd urge you to do so. Many of the comments here are nothing short of scurrilous. Let's not pretend those who make them are engaged in civil discourse, or that they should be excused because they have a right to say whatever they like. I'm sure they can find more appropriate outlets for their calumny.

Posted by: sbuchanan11 | March 12, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

All the right-wing nuts, I have a news for you.. 1)Health care is going to pass, no matter how messy the process is.. 2)The Economy is in a much better position and unemployment # will drop.. 3)as it is a natural process with an incumbent president, Dems will lose a few seats, but will retain both Houses.. 4)and finally, the president will be a full two-term president.. your blood is boiling over the soon to-be-signed into law Health care and the other legislative victories he has had so far, I can't wait to see how you react when he completes his term with most of his agendas inacted into law- for which America will be much much better off!
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Right.

Good Luck with that.

Posted by: mrad1 | March 12, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is that the "public option" is only a "concept," one that has a variety of interpretations. The federal government offers its employees private insurance plans at a 72% discount, on average. Is THAT the "public option?" I'm on Medicare, where the federal government sends my Medicare Advantage company about $900 per month, whether I have health care costs or not. Is THAT the "public option?" Folks on medicaid receive "public" health care coverage paid by the states and the federal government. Is THAT the "public option?"
The federal government does NOT own hospitals or have, for the most part, doctors or nurses on the payroll. The "public option" is more of a concept than a reality. We can move forward without it.

Posted by: crossingsg | March 12, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

An idea: why don't the Tea Party people pay a long visit to Pelosi's district and educate the people there, from the poorest on the street to the richest in the high rise offices, that Obamacare is all about power grab by Obama and it will do nothing to improve your health care? In fact, in many cases the care will get worse. It doesn't take much education and experience to see through Pelosi's smoke screens - all it takes is people brave enough to go there and spread the simple little truths. And who knows.......wouldn't it be a joy for the entire country to see her defeated this November?

Posted by: rimantas1 | March 12, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is that the "public option" is only a "concept," one that has a variety of interpretations. The federal government offers its employees private insurance plans at a 72% discount, on average. Is THAT the "public option?" I'm on Medicare, where the federal government sends my Medicare Advantage company about $900 per month, whether I have health care costs or not. Is THAT the "public option?" Folks on medicaid receive "public" health care coverage paid by the states and the federal government. Is THAT the "public option?"
The federal government does NOT own hospitals or have, for the most part, doctors or nurses on the payroll. The "public option" is more of a concept than a reality. We can move forward without it.

Posted by: crossingsg | March 12, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

No public option then NO DEMS in 2010 for this voter. This is selling out 30 MILLION Americans to Big Insurance!! SHAME ON THE DEMS. No Public option then remove that mandate.

Posted by: drtodd1977 | March 12, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

If there is a more ignorant witch than Pelosi, I've never seen her. And Obama is a lying sack of manure whose spiritual father is Trotsky. Don't worry about what these jackasses do, we'll throw their sorry asses out in the Fall.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 12, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama expects to find new issues for his 2012 campaign, Pelosi is willing to sacrifice being speaker for the greater glory of having enacted health care reform, Reid expects to be gone from Washington whatever he does. But their poor colleagues in Congress will just lose their jobs in November.

Posted by: suegbic1 | March 12, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I wonder: can't the Tea Party movement pay a long visit to Pelosi's district, educate the people there how bad she is for the country and them too, and campaing vigorously to unseat her? It doesn't take much education or brains to realize the Obama bill is all about power grab and not intended to improve healthcare? Even the poorest in SF area would realize that if someone with enough guts was brave enough to tell them.

Posted by: rimantas1 | March 12, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

The level of snarky, offensive commentary to this news article is a clear argument against anonymous posts. We have to act more civilized, people.

Posted by: dcnyhunter | March 12, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"...real difference in the life of the American people." is about the only correct assessment Ms. Pelosi has made recently. If this boondoggle passes then it will outrageously and unfairly burden the majority of Americans that are happy with their existing healthcare plans with lesser, more expensive ones so that, in the main, the parasites of society can--and will--continue to use emergency rooms at the public's expens as their primary care physicians while they spend all "their" money (welfare, ADC, etc.) on expensive tattoos, "bling", cell phones, and every other expensive, optional lifestyle choice. Of course, that won't concern Ms. Pelosi and her cronies since they're not participants in this. What a bunch of elitist, arrogant crooks!

Posted by: 65tarheel | March 12, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse


More Odumbo lies!

25 percent of Americans earning $200,000 a year would see their taxes rise under ObamaCare. An analysis by former CBO Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin reveals that Obama has lied again by pushing massive tax increases on every American, breaking his campaign promise not to raise taxes. The latest CBO report details Obama's 10 year tax scheme - Punish Americans with new taxes for the first four years with no healthcare benefits and cuts in Medicare to Seniors.

Posted by: LarryG62 | March 12, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

It is obvious they all want to be for the public option as long as it can't happen.
If the public option was in the bill it would have the votes.

A bill without a public option is just a gift to the ins. companys.

Bernie Sanders needs to put out an admendment so we can see once and for all
Which senators are really for it and which ones just talk a good game!!!!

I would rather live with the status quo than give a gift to another corporation.

Posted by: joejoe2000 | March 12, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Come on, Swing Demoncaps- I know, that you know that this HCR Bill by itself; not withstanding, addeled with the Student Loan Overhaul is not only NOT constitutional; it is also unpatriotic; and will change the course of America; from an individualist society, to a collective disenfranchised people.


I know, that somewhere deep down inside of your Patriotic heart, and your great love for your constituents and America's Foundations will propel you to tell President Obama resoundingly NO, and stand up for YOUR convictions. We alrady know President Obama has none.


Pelosi has requested that Americans trust them to place debatable items in the bill AFTER it is passed through reconcilliation. It was leery that these three, Pelosi, Reid, and Obama ceded so quickly to solving their differences using this avenue.


My question is- Why aren't the representatives on Capitol Hill- bringing the following statement to our attention; and DEMANDING that this also be stricken from the bill, along with the ALL of kickbacks, and Big Pharma deals:


"Beginning on page 1,000 of the measure, Section 3403 reads in part: ". it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection."


I don't know about you, but it sounds to me like a bunch of pompous elitists (Reid, Pelosi, Obama, and anyone else who is AWARE of this clause, but will NOT inform unsuspecting Americans, YOUR constituents, who ELECTED you to PROTECT THEM) who are trying to ensure that America is turned into a Socialist Democracy for all time!


Now, either the representatives didn't know it was in the bill, because they didn't read that far; or they knew, and are in on the deception.


I'd like to know what they intend to do about this. Even the Founding Fathers left room for amendments; having foresight for future trends, and societal progression.

Posted by: obamaalmighT | March 12, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I always respected the liberal views and consistency eventhough I diagreed with them. My family members and many friends are liberals and they want PUBLIC OPTION in the health care bill. Without it, they will not support this bill and increase our debt by $1.2 trillion and increased tax and increased health care premium and reduced medicare benefits.But I never thought that my liberal friends go this far: "writing to their representatives not to support this bill". This is election year. Now I know that they are liberals and they have consistent views. I am impressed.

Posted by: madayilnair | March 12, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

All the right-wing nuts, I have a news for you.. 1)Health care is going to pass, no matter how messy the process is.. 2)The Economy is in a much better position and unemployment # will drop.. 3)as it is a natural process with an incumbent president, Dems will lose a few seats, but will retain both Houses.. 4)and finally, the president will be a full two-term president.. your blood is boiling over the soon to-be-signed into law Health care and the other legislative victories he has had so far, I can't wait to see how you react when he completes his term with most of his agendas inacted into law- for which America will be much much better off!

Posted by: SolB | March 12, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I see in this post several people are upset. The general complaint is "hey I supported this bill and now it's changed, they et al.. lied to me". And you are the same people who argued with those of us who saw the inherent dangers and tried and tried to tell you you were going to get shafted. Did you listen..no, and now you stand there suprised you have been duped.

Well thanks a whole heck of a lot, your inability to listen not only shafted you but shafted me also. I think you are a bunch of sheep.

Posted by: Obamasnotyamama | March 12, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

What I'd like to know is, how the hell do they know how many votes they have before a vote is held? How about this: Insert the public option in there, something the majority of Americans want and understand why we need one, and then vote on it. Cut the crap. Republicans aren't voting for anything, either way. If it's going to be done by reconciliation, which it is, then the so called Blue Dogs or Blue Pussees, aren't going to be as big a problem. Why not get it right, the first time? They should have just gone through with reconciliation months ago, instead of all this other BS that took place, without the Nelsons and Liebermans and Landrieus and Lincolns of the Senate holding up things and getting their BS inserted or stripping good parts out of the bill.

Posted by: fbutler1 | March 12, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

No Public Option, no Healthcare bill.

PERIOD.

I'm not going to go into debt $1.8T for B.S. earmarks, "Big Brother" legislation, and backroom sweetheart deals. All this bill will do is to drive up healthcare costs. Paying for yourself AND someone else is generally always going to cost more than paying for yourself.

Who does Pelosi think she is fooling?

Posted by: RealTexan1 | March 12, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

So,once again old hoof and mouth disease
Botox Beauty Queen from San Francisco Mad
Madame Speaker Nancy Pelosi has inserted
her foot in her mouth as the Rasmussen Poll
for Friday 3/12/2010 shows Nancy Pelosi has
a 64% Unfavorable Rating and 27% Favorable.
And her Democrat Senate Majority Counterpart Dingy Harry Reid has 36% Unfavorable and 24% Favorable as well.....

While this latest Rasmussen Poll shows 53%
Oppose Obamacare and 57% say Obamacare will
raise not cut healthcare costs! Got that
now Nutcase Nancy Pelosi and ObamaPost?

And,then we have 42% Strongly Disapproval
of Barack Obama Job Preformane and ONLY
26% Strongly Approve. Bye Bye Democrats on
Election Day 2010 and 2012! One Term Obama
out in 2012 or Even Sooner! Impeach Obama!
Expell Pelosi and Reid From Congress!

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | March 12, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that these politicians like Pelosi, who were specifically sent to Washington by the voters to reform health care, can't seem to get it through their thick skulls that we demand a public option. The health industries are acting as a virtual monopoly to ensure that no competition enters the marketplace that they don't themselves control. So once again, Congress takes the lobbyist's money with no apologies to the common citizen. The whole lot of them are nothing but a bunch of crooks.

Posted by: Byrd3 | March 12, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

You crone, Pelosi. Instead of spending a year and a half on this fiasco legislation - why don't you declare it DEAD?

And get on to the topic of JOBS...

Oh yeah, I forgot. Obama's next agenda item is IMMIGRATION.

Posted by: easttxisfreaky | March 12, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

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