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Democrats pick up more votes for health bill

Updated 7:39 p.m.
By Ben Pershing
Democrats picked up several more votes in favor of their health-care package Friday, including four from Democrats who opposed the original House measure in November.

Reps. Allen Boyd (Fla.), John Boccieri (Ohio), Suzanne Kosmas (D-Fla.) and Scott Murphy (N.Y.) announced they were reversing their earlier opposition and would back the measure this weekend. Eight other Democrats who backed the November bill but were undecided on the new measure also announced they would support it.

Boyd, a key member of the fiscal conservative Blue Dog coalition, said the final health package had flaws but was good enough for him to support.

"This bill is not perfect, but I believe it meets these four principles of responsible reform by providing the largest middle class tax credits for healthcare in our nation's history and preserving a patient's ability to choose their own doctor," Boyd said in a statement released by his office.

Boyd's vote had been much sought-after by Democratic leaders, and Thursday's Congressional Budget Office preliminary score helped to sway the deficit-conscious Floridian into the "aye" column. The same was true for Boccieri.

"I will be voting yes for the bill," Boccieri said at a news conference outside the Capitol, flanked by constituents from his northeast Ohio district.

Boccieri said the CBO's estimate that the health bill will cut the deficit by more than $138 billion in the next 10 years was important to him. "I was very encouraged by the budget results we got," Boccieri said.

Boccieri said he was also inspired by the story of Natoma Canfield -- the leukemia patient from Ohio whose plight was highlighted recently by President Obama. He said it reminded him of his own mother's battle with breast cancer.

"I want my mom to know that I'm standing up today and doing what I believe is right," he said.

Boccieri said he was changing his vote even though "a lot of people are telling me that this could cost me my job." He faces a tough reelection race, and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) won his district in the 2008 presidential race.

Boccieri, Boyd, Kosmas and Murphy join Reps. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), Betsy Markey (D-Colo.) and Bart Gordon (D-Tenn.) as previous "no" votes who switched their allegiance in recent days. But Democrats still have a fight on their hands to get to 216, as other lawmakers -- particularly several who are anti-abortion -- are threatening to switch the other way and oppose the bill.

Rep. Charlie Wilson (D-Ohio) announced in a news release Friday that he would vote in favor of the bill. Wilson had been publicly undecided, though he supported the measure in November and had been expected by Democratic leaders to do so again.

Reps. Mary Jo Kilroy (D-Ohio), Dina Titus (D-Nev.), Brad Ellsworth (D-Ind.), Bob Etheridge (D-N.C.), Paul Kanjorski (D-Pa.), David Obey (D-Wis.) and John Spratt (D-S.C.) also announced Friday they would support the bill. Like Wilson, they voted for the original House measure but had been undecided on this one.

Despite those announcements, Republicans remain skeptical that Democrats are closing in on the 216 votes they need.

"I just think it is clearly false momentum," said House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.). "The votes still aren't there."

By Ben Pershing  |  March 19, 2010; 11:33 AM ET
Categories:  Capitol Briefing , Health Care  
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god help us if this health care bill passes...

Posted by: ncognito2 | March 21, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: abigfatslob | March 20, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Our government and our polictical process has been in the bowel of hell for many years now, the passage of this take over means America and it's freedoms, we can kiss goodbye, we has join, We the People no more, the Axis of Evil have taken hold, though they have for many years now Now it is finalized. The progressive liberal feel
Tingles up and down
and all around
They are Giddy with Excitement
They can hardly contain themselves to gain more and more power destroying what was once a free country
WE SHall BECOME
SLAVES


Per Order of

THE POWERS THAT BE!

Posted by: boski66 | March 20, 2010 4:39 AM | Report abuse

For those congressmen that are undecided, think of the legacy you will be leave to your children and grandchildren. At this historic moment when you are one of the person who voted "Yes" to this healthcare reform, you can be proud to tell your children and grandchildren "I voted this bill with wisdom and compassion". Your position maybe there but it will not last forever. It is the legacy that last forever to your fellowman.

Posted by: chedar888 | March 20, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance
to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.

** Page 58 and 59: The government will have
real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by
the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).

** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this
section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same
regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees.

** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration
care according to the patient's age.

** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a
prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.

** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates
advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death counceling.)

** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify
which doctors can write an end-of-life order.

"Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not
apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick 'fix' to make the plan financially sound for their future."

Posted by: joanne38 | March 19, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

meowomon wrote "in your face you racist teabaggers"...Let me guess???... hmmm... Your Black!!!
It seems that whenever you have a rational thought in your head, which is rare, it is inevitable that you claim racism. WAKE UP, YOU ARE THE RACIST!!!!
If someone makes a mistake on your food order...they are racist!!!
If someone disagrees with you...they are racist!!!
If someone wants people to stay in school and actually work for a living...they are racist!!!
If someone wants to stop giving you handouts for doing nothing...they are racist!!
If a jury sends someone to prison for breaking the law...they are racist!!!

Take another hit on your crack pipe and go back to sleep!!!! Im tired of your constant whining...I know, you think Im a racist...surprise, surprise

Posted by: brooklynborn1 | March 19, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

meowomon wrote "in your face you racist teabaggers"...Let me guess???... hmmm... Your Black!!!
It seems that whenever you have a rational thought in your head, which is rare, it is inevitable that you claim racism. WAKE UP, YOU ARE THE RACIST!!!!
If someone makes a mistake on your food order...they are racist!!!
If someone disagrees with you...they are racist!!!
If someone wants people to stay in school and actually work for a living...they are racist!!!
If someone wants to stop giving you handouts for doing nothing...they are racist!!
If a jury sends someone to prison for breaking the law...they are racist!!!

Take another hit on your crack pipe and go back to sleep!!!! Im tired of your constant whining...I know, you think Im a racist...surprise, surprise

Posted by: brooklynborn1 | March 19, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Fox "news" has called it: Pelosi has the votes! Yes, it will happen!

Posted by: dudh | March 19, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Fox "news" has called it: Pelosi has the votes! Yes, it will happen!

Posted by: dudh | March 19, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Fox "news" has called it: Pelosi has the votes! Yes, it will happen!

Posted by: dudh | March 19, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Apreil 15 is the NO COnfidence call for redress of this Fed.ion DC

Every American who can bike, walk, or roll there should be counted.

Obama is over and getting an indictment for treason Sept. 9. by the Oath keeper, whoi are making the declaration.

Anyone trying to force an American to pay for this lie is acting outside of the US Constitution.
The people would like to see them all cuffed up for not demanding US constitutional rights to see all of Obama;s hidden history before taking the oath.

Big win today? Big loss tomarrow.

Acorns taking the publio dole might have to go to work, because the American patriots will not earn a dime extra to tax for Obamaland to function on the turf.

Posted by: dottydo | March 19, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I just don't understand Dems who won't vote for this bill! Do it already! Your constituents want it. It's good for the American people - even people who call themselves republicans. It's good for America. What are you thinking?

Posted by: kurthunt | March 19, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi has the votes, they just have to sort out who can vote yes and who can vote no. Really, that's all that's left. Will be fun to read these message boards once the bill becomes law and the tea partiers are sorely dissappointed.

Posted by: zackool | March 19, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

As a health care professional, I support the reform of health care. This said, there are several areas concerns:
1. The industry has not been engaged to design & support the plan. If you had a chronic, life threatening condition, would you want Washington managing your care. We need the people who care for people leading.
2. This Country is in a perilous financial situation. We have spent money we do not have and our national balance sheet is out of balance (we have more debits than credits). We must fix our financial house prior to taking on a new The biggest ever) government entitlement. There has never been a government program that has matched the CBO forecasts. This program (as scored) will make Medicare look like a bargain. There is no sense of financial reality associated w/ this bill(s)

Finally, as Americans we need to step forward and do the right thing for our country. This is not about on party winning or loosing - this is about what is best for our future & what is best for generations to come. We are a nation built on sacrifice, personal responsibility, pride, and banding together to overcome the toughest odds.

I ask that we stand up and do the right thing. This means that our elected officials do the work that they were put in Washington to do - represent the people that they serve rather than serve their party or their own personal interests.

Posted by: slawler | March 19, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

We're going to add 33 million people to healthcare and save over $130B the first decade and in the second decade we're going to cut our deficit by over $1T. You would have to be a complete idiot to believe this crap.

The President's $787B stimulus is already $75B over cost; his 10 yr budget estimate is already $1.2T over; cash-for-clunkers cost $3B instead of admin's estimate of $1B and was closed 3 months early; since Paygo was signed 3 bills totaling over $150B have been passed without promised offsets; medicare, medicaid, social security, TSA, Fannie, Freddie, AIG, Amtrak and others are broke. Why believe any financial figures these people give us. They must think Americans are stupid or drink Obama's koolaid.

It wasn't long ago dems were telling us how great of shape Fannie Mae was in. They lost $16B of your dollars just last qtr. Get a clue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tostitos | March 19, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

You know, what I've realized is that I don't get those ridiculous chain emails from my liberal friends, only from the right wingers who make this gigantic leap of faith that I agree with their ludicrous position. So, let's see who's really got the intestinal fortitude come Nov. The sheep who believe anything on the internet that serves their purpose or those who care about the REAL "joe the plumbers".

Posted by: burnedout | March 19, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Jason Altmire from the Pittsburgh area is a firm NO.He was undecided until about 4pm today and had his "session" with Obama yesterday.The media is announcing only the few Dems who will join Pelosi which creates an image of momentum.It`s still close.

Posted by: bowspray | March 19, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Jason Altmire from the Pittsburgh area is a firm NO.He was undecided until about 4pm today and had his "session" with Obama yesterday.The media is announcing only the few Dems who will join Pelosi which creates an image of momentum.It`s still close.

Posted by: bowspray | March 19, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse


The Dims were barely able to pass this tax and spend when is was their own House bill and included single payer. Now they would have to approve the Senate bill.

Pelosi simply does not have the votes and the dog and pony show changes nothing.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 19, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

In your face you racist tea baggers. I don't like the legislation much either, but your racist lies make me support this president.

If you had engaged in a real debate instead of throwing dollar bills at a disabled man with Parkinson syndrome, maybe your arguments would have had more merrit. Instead, you just proved yourself to be hateful liars willing to throw an 11 year old kid whose mother died under the bus to shove your propaganda down our throat. Republicans have only to look at their own reflection when wondering why this watered down giveaway to private insurance got passed.

Posted by: meowomon | March 19, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Most republicans have anal warts and thats while they are so pissed at the world.

Posted by: MrMoney007 | March 19, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

You have to give it to Nancy Pelosi, a great leader. SHE GETS THIS HEALTH CARE VOTE, she can get many things good for the American people. That's what I care about.

Posted by: dudh | March 19, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Is any of this even legal? Does anyone care any more?

Posted by: Lynne5 | March 19, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Gandalf, You made a really good point. Not a single republican is willing to vote in the interest of their country. They are forever marking themselves as a gang of snakes, and are truly "the ugliest americans".

Posted by: larry9 | March 19, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Go Dems! This is your turn. Take it! Pass the health care bill. You have the worst conservative Republicans in the history of the Republic, the worst, against you, and teabaggers who have not one good thing to say about our country's government. History will not be about these losers, but about what you Did. Do it!

Posted by: dudh | March 19, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

The most amazing thing, to me - is not how the Dems waffle and waver and fail to commit until the last possible moment - but how across the entire Senate and House of Representatives not one single Rep will cross the line to support a bill that (in some cases) would benefit a huge percentage of their own constituents - and steadfastly refuse to crack their opposition despite their long track record of supporting huge deficits for Medicare Prescriptions, Tax Cut legislation and the wrong War.

What discipline and courage - remarkable.

Sort of reminds me of the 3rd Reich just before D-Day.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 19, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

More Dems to vote no

Posted by: sonofliberty09 | March 19, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse


Although Pelosi picked up some "yes" votes, I heard there are two Reps tonight who are going to vote NO.

If Pelosi had the votes to pass it they would be voting right now.

Posted by: janet8 | March 19, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Who cares . . . the country is dead and we might as well bury the corpse. Say goodbye to the "United States of America" because it no longer exists. The idiot voters in this country have given a once great Republic to the Marxist left and now they can live with their utter stupidity and disregard for freedom and liberty.

Posted by: rplat | March 19, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

I am sick of Republican law makers .
Pass the health care reform now to save our nation.

Posted by: reformss | March 19, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

"Oh really? Well how about you and all your ignorant friends just pray whenever you are sick or injured from now on. That should save the healthcare system plenty of money." Ah the greediness of a liberal in pure form. Nothing like seeing an issue for what you want out of it instead of figuring out why other people are opposed to it. Thanks libbies for taking my money via government means. Remember the liberal mantra - what you don't have, take. Forget earning it - why bother when Obama and Pelosi will provide?

Posted by: homersimpson10 | March 19, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

My walden1 - you must be one of those supposed liberals who embrace everyone - except when they oppose what you libbies want in life - namely - gov't handouts at the expense of the taxpayer.

Posted by: homersimpson10 | March 19, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it; how can anyone support the continued existence of "health-Care" Insurance companies?? These parasites have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with providing Health-Care to anyone... and a lot to do with preventing those in need from getting Health-Care! These people literally kill for money and are proud of it! You want to support them?? What's wrong with this bill is it does not charge these people with murder!

Posted by: Chaotician | March 19, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

The best way to motivate wavering Representatives is to say "thanks" to the new converts with campaign contributions:
http://www.boydforcongress.com/
http://www.johnforcongress.com/

Posted by: raschumacher | March 19, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Eric Cantor wants to be president. He is an ignorant, green and greedy Republican from Virginia, my home state.

It gives me pain every time Cantor opens his mouth as a spokesman for the neanderthal hate-government Conservatism that created this global financial crisis, the crisis in health care, the crisis in energy policy, and the crisis in education.

I am appalled and ashamed of this man. Virginians, please kick him out of office at the first opportunity.

Posted by: walden1 | March 19, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

RE...All no votes on the Health Care Reform bill validate the Limbaugh health mantra;
"Health care is like a house on the beach. If you can't afford it you shouldn't have it."

I thought Limbaugh was moving out of the country if Health reform passed. He could probably use some company. I am sure some of you Republicans will join him. Have a nice time and do write.....

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 19, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

All no votes on the Health Care Reform bill validate the Limbaugh health mantra;
"Health care is like a house on the beach. If you can't afford it you shouldn't have it."
That will be a tough sell in any national election held outside of the South, Utah, Wyoming and Oklahoma.

Posted by: m_richert | March 19, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey Republicans...it won't be long now..
Healthcare is going to pass. Thanks Bush.
You played a part in this. If it wasn't for your total incometence Dems would not have made the huge gains from the last election. However,you in a bizare way contributed to this new Healthcare bill. You see good things can come from a really bad situation. Everyone is invited to the party on Sunday. We just can't wait it will be like the 4th of July....Finally,The American people are going to win...Hope wins over fear,truth wins over lies and right wins over wrong. Happy days are here again....

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 19, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Come on folks it's the right thing and it's the smart thing and about the only great thing congress has done in years

Posted by: bobpierce44 | March 19, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

My fav sign seen at the pathetic tea party gathering Tuesday was:

"God heals, Obamacare STEALS"

Oh really? Well how about you and all your ignorant friends just pray whenever you are sick or injured from now on. That should save the healthcare system plenty of money.

Posted by: divi3 | March 19, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Do you hear that?

It is the sound of ...


Inevitability.

Posted by: WillSeattle | March 19, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I find it amazing that a pro life congressman would oppose a bill simply to grandstand on his favorite single issue. If this bill fails because of his obstinate opposition to it on his moral grounds of being in opposition to the manner in which the abortion issue is addressed. Passing or defeating this bill will not alter the Public's view on abortion. all it will accomplish is the aiding and abetting of the "Party of NO!s opposition to the bill. Nothing else will change in so far as changing the Country's stance on abortion. They are insuring that defeat over the long will result in more people dying from carrier cancellations, purges, and deliberate failures to renew, as well as pricing the coverage out of reach of the insureds. Their vote will allow the Carrier's own "Death Panels", the geeks and bean counters in the hidden cubicles who make the ultimate decisions as to who lives or dies. Ms. Palin was right, there are Death Panels, she simply lied about who was running them! Our Pro Life Congressmen are just insuring that they will remain in business longer.

Or, as GWB once said, "Great Job, Brownie!"

Posted by: atc333 | March 19, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Dear enemyofthestate: This bill is much more than a minor insurance industry reform and there has been great angst for this legislation from conservatives since the beginning of Obama's presidency. I am 64 years old and have paid into Medicare all my life. Now that I am about to start getting some benefits, I hate to see the Medicare system plundered. Yeah, I know, the dems say it will only eliminate fraud, waste and abuse. When has the Government ever been able to eliminate that? The fees that doctors are paid will be reduced, and more and more doctors will refuse to take Medicare patients. With the new mandates placed on insurers, the insurance rates will skyrocket. They cannot provide coverage for 26 year olds, etc. for free. And, mandating healthy, young people to obtain insurance seems unAmerican to me. Its a bad bill, period.

Posted by: eucag | March 19, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Many of the comments here are exactly why we can't come to an agreement on real reform. Far too much ignorance of the facts. Take the extract from an earlier poster, copied below. The states have never paid Medicare and nothing in the bill changes that, yet someone makes a bold statement to the contrary. Wow!
Extracted from unnamed post: There is money in there for sodomy education for our children (you lefties probably like that) and the only reason CBO is on board with it, is that by the year 2020 the feds will not pay a dime in to Medicare- so the states can go broke and have to rely on the Federal government...

Posted by: retire2mtn | March 19, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Having taken the time to download and read the Bill, I have a question for all the vocal detractors who have been weighing in against it:

Which of the specific provisions listed below do you oppose, and why?

TITLE I—IMMEDIATE REFORMS

Sec. 101. National high-risk pool program.

Sec. 102. Ensuring value and lower premiums.

Sec. 103. Ending health insurance rescission abuse.

Sec. 104. Sunshine on price gouging by health insurance issuers.

Sec. 105. Requiring the option of extension of dependent coverage for uninsured young adults.

Sec. 106. Limitations on preexisting condition exclusions in group health plans
in advance of applicability of new prohibition of preexisting condition exclusions.

Sec. 107. Prohibiting acts of domestic violence from being treated as preexisting
conditions.

Sec. 108. Ending health insurance denials and delays of necessary treatment for children with deformities.

Sec. 109. Elimination of lifetime limits.

Sec. 110. Prohibition against postretirement reductions of retiree health benefits by group health plans.

Sec. 111. Reinsurance program for retirees.

Sec. 112. Wellness program grants.

Sec. 113. Extension of COBRA continuation coverage.

Sec. 114. State Health Access Program grants.

Sec. 115. Administrative simplification

It's one thing to oppose a bill in the abstract simply because of some sort of automatic abhorrence for those who support it. But it is another when confronted with the actual bill. Again, which of the aims above do you DISAGREE with, and why?

Posted by: PeterIII | March 19, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

They say it's going to pass the House by a razor thin margin. I think it's going through more easily than that. Now, we cross our fingers, and hope that this isn't some giant boondoggle, that bankrupts everyone except the rich of course, and/or bankrupts the Nation which is already bankrupt.

Posted by: jacktar2001 | March 19, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't want those people coming into my doctor's office with all their fatherless children and other undesirables. Understand, I don't care if they have healthcare, I just do not want them to exercise their healthcare in my places. The quality of care will go down just like their neighborhoods. My family should not have to be exposed to them in a medical setting. Some don't even speak English and those other ones speak improper English at best. I don't want them in my doctor's office.... PERIOD!

Originally posted on CNN

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This is the most honest statement I've read for some time by someone against the health care bill. Many who posted here have used right wing code words to say the same thing. And how pathetic they are.

Posted by: sr31 | March 19, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

The freedom of choice is what freedom is all about. So when the teabaggers say that they want freedom that includes choice of any kind, not just what they perceive to be right.

Posted by: Woodstocknative | March 19, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Wow! First Kucinich, now Boccieri and Wilson... I cringe to think how much $$$ Ohio got for type of "unity"!

The real reason why we MUST pass this is because if Barak doesn't get his expensive shiny new toy, He will pout, hold his breath and just stop being President for the next 2 3/4 years! (Don't laugh too hard--Kucinich believed it!)

Posted by: dmedman50 | March 19, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, L80bug, you have painted an absurd scenario. Seriously, my friend, get your mind on something else for awhile. Nobody takes the republican inputs seriously anymore, they've just lied and lied, so don't you fall for the BS you hear on the radio either.
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The scenario I "painted" is no more absurd than the facts as I presented them. I agree that this legislative process is totally and completely "absurd."

Posted by: L80bug | March 19, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

this healthcare legislation that is being forced on the unsuspecting american people is communism at it's very worst.government-controlled healthcare is divorced from the very democratic principals on which our great nation was established and should be put down like you wuold an rabid dog along with it's proponents.this piece of unmittigated garbage is only the beginning of what the treacherous obama gang of thugs has in store for this nation and it's people. the people has made it clear that this alledged haelthcare legislation is patently repulsive to them and unwanted however the obama goons are determined to force this trash right down the american people's throats.such determination on the part of the obama gang of thugs indicates that they has evil intentions towards this nation and it's people. these criminals must be stopped dead in their tracks here and now.

Posted by: hayjames | March 19, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

the only difference between obama and osama is an b and an s (B S) other than that they are the same hell-bent to destroy this country by any maens that they deem as necessary to achive their goal.

Posted by: hayjames | March 19, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Any of you progressives who are for this bill have not read a word of it. A family of 4 making 88,000 (gross) combined income will be taxed at a rate of 9.56% for this debacle. There is money in there for sodomy education for our children (you lefties probably like that) and the only reason CBO is on board with it, is that by the year 2020 the feds will not pay a dime in to Medicare- so the states can go broke and have to rely on the Federal government... I think that is called Socialism? I know there are some out there that don't mind that label, but there are still a lot of Democrats that belong to the Democratic Party my mother belonged to that DON"T want that label..

Posted by: CaPatriot | March 19, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

this picse of unmittigaed garbage must be put down like one would put down an rabid dog along with it's proponents and who votes for it.this alledged healthcare is divorced from the democratic principals on which our great nation was founded.the obama gang of america haters should all be hung from sour apple trees for this intentional attempt to destroy our democratic nation from within.

Posted by: hayjames | March 19, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse


Well, he obviously be an oil man support by his good friends at Exxon (Velero), Texaco, Shell, Mobil, and all the others.

This is the latest drastic strategy to buy more politicians into voting yes for this scam. This will impose a 20 cent increase per gallon of gasoline. So what? Consider this...

-Diesel fuel cost will rise right along with it and so will the cost of shipping products by truck, train, airplane, and ships.
-The cost of everything made of pretroleum plastic and rubber will increase.
-The cost of running the military will drastically increase since the military is the largest consumer of oil/fuel in the world.
-This really sweetens the pie for all the politicians who are funded by the oil industry, since it is the oil industry who will greatly benefit by the increase in the cost of fuel. Yea, the poor old oil comapanies who now earn tens of billions in profit each quarter are going to love this new tax.

Listen people...This is not about doing anything to help the American people. It is all about making the fat cats richer and richer with your money. Inflation will soar. Just like the bailout and the credit card "reform" that was a bomb for helping the American people, this is a costly plan with kaniving ulterior motives that are being pushed by the wealthiest and most corrupt and influential lobbies in the USA (world).

Posted by: maphound | March 19, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

If you take home $250,000 per year and your taxes increase 3.8% for this bill, it means you will pay about $9,500 more in taxes

BFD

So you won't be able to put a down payment on that 3rd or 4th fancy European automobile. Maybe you won't be able to buy your wife her 75th pair of shoes.

This is a matter of life and death for thousands, maybe millions of Americans.

People won't have to go bankrupt for medical reasons, that is good for the economy.

People won't have to be stuck in their jobs and can peruse entrepreneurship, that's good for the economy.

People won't have to go to the emergency room and stick the bill to the taxpayers because their is no other option, that is good for the economy.

If you are a Christian, just ask yourself what Jesus would have done.

Posted by: JRM2 | March 19, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

(edits indicated by ellipses)

...I think Americans do not mind paying higher taxes for a better Health care system. Remember there is no free lunch....

Posted by: johnn

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No PROBLEM. The taxes will pale in comparison to the HUGE premium increases that insurance companies are dishing out. I can say that I prefer taxes to HUGE insurance premiums. You need a better argument. That one smacks of desperation. The GOP is toast. Obama gave you a chance to be on the right side of history! You played your hand now live with it iin 2010!

Posted by: Julescator

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The better argument? How about paying both a tax increase and increased insurance premiums. The increase in taxes are NOT being spread evenly or even equitably. Many families (mine included) will get hit with increased taxes and premiums (as we contribute a significant portion to our employer-based health plan). There are plenty under this legislation getting a free lunch. That's not a statement of so-called desperation (as a registered independent, I guess that comment did not refer to any non-GOPers?), it is a statement of fact.

Posted by: readtheconstitution | March 19, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Amazing. GOP demagogues like Cantor are still saying we "can't afford this" when the nonpartisan CBO says it will REDUCE the deficit by more than $1.3 trillion over the next two decades.

Republicans know it's the right thing. They just know that their only hope of getting back into power is by making the right thing look wrong. Just sad. What ever happened to leadership for leadership's sake?

Posted by: B2O2 | March 19, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

" Where were his convictions during the entire time this bill was being put together?"

I suspect he was doing what he was voted into office to do - represent the interest of his district.

Is that a surprise?

Posted by: GaryEMasters | March 19, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I am giddy with excitement in anticipation of the Healthcare bill being passed and signed ..yes, giddy with excitement because its' been a long time since positive legislation has been enacted on behalf of the middle class. The Republicans function under the premise that if you cut taxes for the wealthy somehow that will trickle down to the people..if that premise was correct ..what the heck happen to the american economy ..where did the jobs go and where is the trickle down bonanza... These people are one-trick ponies and they are making a BIG mistake by not supporting the healthcare bill that will benefit the least amongst us. I doubt if they will ever be able to get the blood stains off of their hands and receive redemption for this selfish and power driven move.

Posted by: sabrina2 | March 19, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

You forgot to mention tha Rep Peter Defasio of OR has switched to NO!!!!!!!! guess he hasn't got his bribe yet.

Posted by: Jimbo77 | March 19, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

How much did he get for changing his vote????

Posted by: yvonnesites | March 19, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Such vitriol on the Right.

Irresepctive of the outcome of this debate on health care legislation, the hard Right has shown it cares more about political advantage than about America itself. Not once have I heard them make a cogent ARGUMENT against this proposal. The legislation is seriously flawed, but compared to the moronic nonsense coming from Fox and Friends, this legislation is akin to Shakespeare.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | March 19, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

There is a new aroma in the air. A fresh new smell. Oh how sweet it is how sweet it is. The Republican stench in a few days will soon be gone....

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 19, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, L80bug, you have painted an absurd scenario. Seriously, my friend, get your mind on something else for awhile. Nobody takes the republican inputs seriously anymore, they've just lied and lied, so don't you fall for the BS you hear on the radio either.

Posted by: larry9 | March 19, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

To all the Dems being threatened unless they vote "no" on the HC bill, I say F### 'em and vote "yes". You're going to be damned if you do and damned if you don't anyway.

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | March 19, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Somewhere birds are singing
Somewhere children are playing
However,there is no joy in Republicanville
The once mighty Republicans in a couple of days will be knocked out...

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 19, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Re: gdod25, 11:52am:

What "facts" have people like you and"TexanbygraceofGOD" considered? This isn't a personal attack, I am simply and honestly interested to know on what data do you actually base your claims?

Being against the bill based on facts is fine; but if that's why you're against the bill, why not do those who support the common courtesy of reporting said "facts?" Without doing so, others have no reason to believe that what you say is anything more than a groundless assertion. For instance, when you wrote "I know government involvement has never helped..." what do you mean by that? Do you have aggregate information to support that?

The real problem in this debate is that facts are not only NOT equivalent to assertions, but neither are facts the same thing as personal experience. 300 million people live in this country. Suggesting that we should decide national policy on what happens to a few dozen people isn't fact, it's just wild speculation. And that's precisely why we need nonpartisan estimates like the CBO's to gauge the cost and impact of this bill. Sheesh.

Posted by: pc111 | March 19, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

L80bug wrote>>>Most of us know that this legislation is not about health care at all - it's about power, money, and control

You learned that from the SAME SOURCES that led you to believe Bush bombing Iraq had something to do with Sept. 11 and WMDs and terrorists and "democracy"!
iow - same source, same lies - and you keeping falling for it.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 19, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how well-enforced the Washington Post's comment rules are. What a polite and thoughtful group of folks we have here! It's so refreshing to take place in a political conversation that is not a bunch of name-calling and finger-pointing.

Posted by: jjhare | March 19, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The scheming deeming Progressives have apparently figured out a way to snooker their more moderate counterparts to vote for a bill that will, in essence, enable the Senate version to be signed in to law as soon as it has been "deemed" passed. Pelosi has apparently convinced some of her moderates that their vote this Sunday will be to pass the reconciliation bill and that it will then go to the Senate. While that is true, the reconciliation bill will never happen - it will be separated out from the Senate bill, which Pelosi will then send back to the Senate for certification. From there, it goes to Obama for signature, and this country will have a health care bill immediately. The Senate Democrats will never be able to round up the 50 votes needed to enact the reconciliation measures - why should they? They're quite content with their bill that has been "deemed" passed by the House and signed into law.

The Democratic leadership is lying to their members and to the American people. I appreciate the moderate Democrats in the House - I just wish they had more smarts than Pelosi, who has figured out ways to exploit every dumb bone in their bodies.

Pelosi and Obama may snooker enough House Democrats to get away with this sneaky trick, but she - nor those who vote to "deem" the Senate bill passed - are fooling the American people. Most of us know that this legislation is not about health care at all - it's about power, money, and control. If it was really about health care, the benefits would kick in immediately, and not wait until 4 to 8 years AFTER they've collected enough taxes to pay for the start-up. There is absolutely no reason to wait all those years for the services - other than to hide the real cost of this legislation, which will bankrupt this country. Mr. Obama wants to be sure he's out of office before the public realizes how much this so-called "reform" will REALLY cost. If he's lucky, he will be out of office when this country's economy collapses, so he will be as at less risk of being "deemed" the cause.

We will take our country back in November, when we will have an opportunity at the ballot box to "deem" this legislation a total failure and get America back on the right course. By November, we will also be better informed as to the TRUE costs of this horrible legislation, which is now being distorted by the Administration's instructions to the CBO.

Posted by: L80bug | March 19, 2010 2:08 PM
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You won't get YOUR country back. You had control and YOU did nothing for the American people. What you did was ruin this country for millions of people. Obama is cleaning up your stench! Your Country????? If we wanted a country full of racists hicks from Mississippi we would make Haley Barber the President - that ain't gonna happen.

Would you like gouda or cheddar???

Posted by: Julescator | March 19, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

WAPO LIES and Roll Call tells the truth. Barry gained nothing yesterday. QUOTE:

House Democrats officially gained two and lost two on Thursday as they continued their painstaking zigzag toward 216 votes and final passage of a sweeping health care overhaul, now likely on Sunday.

Leaders got two pieces of good news, with retiring Science and Technology Chairman Bart Gordon (D-Tenn.) and freshman Rep. Betsy Markey (D-Colo.), who voted "no" on the original House bill, announcing they would back reform this time around. But those gains were offset by the losses of Reps. Michael Arcuri (D-N.Y.) and Stephen Lynch (D-Mass.) who flipped their previous support to opposition.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 19, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

tjmlrc wrote>>>Angie12106, You must be about 20 years old and your elevator isn't going to the top floor.....THERE WON'T BE ENOUGH MONEY TO PROVIDE DECENT HEALTH CARE TO THAT NUMBER OF SENIORS

There won't be ANY money for Medicare if we continue DOWN the road we're on. Health insurance reform creates a BETTER Medicare system - more efficiency, less testing, more SAVINGS, etc.
Actually my 20-something friends wish they had MY Medicare.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 19, 2010 1:50 PM
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Now hear this.
It's not reform that we are against.
IT'S THIS BILL WHICH IS RAMPANT WITH LYING, CHEATING, BUYING VOTES, INTIMIDATION, PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT, LED BY WHAT MAY BE ONE OF THE MOST EVIL MEN IN AMERICAN HISTORY BECAUSE HE'S ABLE TO FOOL SO MANY AT ONE TIME.
Thankfully, there are some of us who do see it and have the courage to stand up and say NO!

Posted by: tjmlrc | March 19, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

RE...I guess you think raising taxes and cutting medicare is going to endear the democrats to voters in November

I think Americans do not mind paying higher taxes for a better Health care system. Remember there is no free lunch. Medicare will not be cut however the waste in Medicare will.You do believe in cutting waste...You are not a Socialist are you....Bottom line this is a moderate Republican bill....

Posted by: johnn
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No PROBLEM. The taxes will pale in comparison to the HUGE premium increases that insurance companies are dishing out. I can say that I prefer taxes to HUGE insurance premiums. You need a better argument. That one smacks of desperation. The GOP is toast. Obama gave you a chance to be on the right side of history! You played your hand now live with it iin 2010!

Posted by: Julescator | March 19, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

texanbygod wrote>>>Let’s cut your salary by 50% but expect a better product/service from you.

Who's salary cut by 50%?? The Insurance industry is GAINING millions of customers!
But if Insurance companies don't play fair - they know we'll ALL get Medicare. WooHoo!

Posted by: angie12106 | March 19, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The scheming deeming Progressives have apparently figured out a way to snooker their more moderate counterparts to vote for a bill that will, in essence, enable the Senate version to be signed in to law as soon as it has been "deemed" passed. Pelosi has apparently convinced some of her moderates that their vote this Sunday will be to pass the reconciliation bill and that it will then go to the Senate. While that is true, the reconciliation bill will never happen - it will be separated out from the Senate bill, which Pelosi will then send back to the Senate for certification. From there, it goes to Obama for signature, and this country will have a health care bill immediately. The Senate Democrats will never be able to round up the 50 votes needed to enact the reconciliation measures - why should they? They're quite content with their bill that has been "deemed" passed by the House and signed into law.

The Democratic leadership is lying to their members and to the American people. I appreciate the moderate Democrats in the House - I just wish they had more smarts than Pelosi, who has figured out ways to exploit every dumb bone in their bodies.

Pelosi and Obama may snooker enough House Democrats to get away with this sneaky trick, but she - nor those who vote to "deem" the Senate bill passed - are fooling the American people. Most of us know that this legislation is not about health care at all - it's about power, money, and control. If it was really about health care, the benefits would kick in immediately, and not wait until 4 to 8 years AFTER they've collected enough taxes to pay for the start-up. There is absolutely no reason to wait all those years for the services - other than to hide the real cost of this legislation, which will bankrupt this country. Mr. Obama wants to be sure he's out of office before the public realizes how much this so-called "reform" will REALLY cost. If he's lucky, he will be out of office when this country's economy collapses, so he will be as at less risk of being "deemed" the cause.

We will take our country back in November, when we will have an opportunity at the ballot box to "deem" this legislation a total failure and get America back on the right course. By November, we will also be better informed as to the TRUE costs of this horrible legislation, which is now being distorted by the Administration's instructions to the CBO.

Posted by: L80bug | March 19, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

RE....it will be a two or three vote margin. pathic on pelosi and obama's part. just pathetic.

Ya I guess Democracy is just pathetic. I think you are a closet socialist...By the way those so called Republicans in the house are sheep. They do not have a mind of their own. They all vote the same way...lock step....Dems at least have their differences....

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 19, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Angie12106,

You must be about 20 years old and your elevator isn't going to the top floor. Shortly baby boomers will be the majority of the population.
THERE WON'T BE ENOUGH MONEY TO PROVIDE DECENT HEALTH CARE TO THAT NUMBER OF SENIORS. THEY WILL HAVE TO CHOOSE WHO GETS WHAT AND HOW MUCH.
Your welfare king is spending everything he can.
WE ARE GOING TO RUN OUT OF MONEY!
Then granny is going to be in real hot water!

Posted by: tjmlrc | March 19, 2010 1:34
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The BABAy BOOMERS will not become the largest part of the population SHORTLY. they have been the major part of the population since they were born. They are also the richest and most educated part of the population as well. The Baby Boomers elected Barack Obama and we are naturally FOR Health Care reform.

You need a new argument. That one made no sense!

Posted by: Julescator | March 19, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

kitzdakat wrote>>> guess you think raising taxes and cutting medicare is going to endear the democrats to voters in November.

Currently, we all pay the SAME Medicare tax rate - 1.45%. Now the Wealthy will pay almost 3%.

Middle class taxpayers will NO longer pay subsidies TO Insurance companies for the 20% of Wealthy seniors with Medicare Advantage!
Those with traditional Medicare are also currently PAYING for the Wealthy with 2 premiums per year going toward Medicare Advantage.
Why do Righties HATE a BETTER and FAIRER Medicare system??

Posted by: angie12106 | March 19, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Republicans Suck.
Republicans Suck.
Republicans Suck.
Republicans Suck.
Republicans Suck.
Republicans Suck.
Republicans Suck.
Republicans Suck.


Posted by: MrMoney007
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Well actually I think that's what obama did on the plane to get Dennis Kucinich to change his mind.

Posted by: tjmlrc | March 19, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

RE...I guess you think raising taxes and cutting medicare is going to endear the democrats to voters in November

I think Americans do not mind paying higher taxes for a better Health care system. Remember there is no free lunch. Medicare will not be cut however the waste in Medicare will.You do believe in cutting waste...You are not a Socialist are you....Bottom line this is a moderate Republican bill....

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 19, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how much the Theif in Cheif paid him off, crooked bunch of SOBs.

Posted by: Obamasnotyamama | March 19, 2010 11:37 AM
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PLEASE LEARN TO SPELL!!!
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is that was the standard a good 1/3 of obama's voters wouldnt have been able to cast ballots. and you know its true!

learn how to comment.

its pretty embaressing that will these kind of majorities in the house and senate, all the special deal-making and buying of votes, and the sacrificing of liberals utopian public option dream that they dems STILL dont have the votes among their own yet and that when they do it will be a two or three vote margin. pathic on pelosi and obama's part. just pathetic.

Posted by: dummypants | March 19, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

tjmlrc wrote>>>Angie12106, You must be about 20 years old and your elevator isn't going to the top floor.....THERE WON'T BE ENOUGH MONEY TO PROVIDE DECENT HEALTH CARE TO THAT NUMBER OF SENIORS

There won't be ANY money for Medicare if we continue DOWN the road we're on. Health insurance reform creates a BETTER Medicare system - more efficiency, less testing, more SAVINGS, etc.
Actually my 20-something friends wish they had MY Medicare.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 19, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how much the Theif in Cheif paid him off, crooked bunch of SOBs.

Posted by: Obamasnotyamama | March 19, 2010 11:37 AM
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PLEASE LEARN TO SPELL!!!
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is that was the standard a good 1/3 of obama's voters wouldnt have been able to cast ballots.

learn how to comment.

Posted by: dummypants | March 19, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

the product is going to bankrupt the country.

the process long ago violated every obama campaign pledge, its now violating the constitution.

the whole thing is generally comical. the real punch-line though will be when the SCOTUS strikes this bill down on both its substance (individual mandate's failure to come within ambit of commerce clause) and procedural grounds (failure to have bicamerial majority vote on a single bill).

Posted by: dummypants | March 19, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

45upnorth wrote>>> still don't understand why Congress and the White House don't get the same bill if its so great.

Those eligible for the Exchange will choose among the SAME policies offered Congress.
You already know that - but you keeping posting your Rushbo LIES.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 19, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

There are immediate changes that are going to help. They will come out because they do not want the Repubs to repeal it. You must be crazy if you don't think they do not have a vested interest in the election coming up...Talking about morons thank's for your guy Bush. Without him the big Democratic victories in the house and Senate would not have happened and there would be no Healcare bill today....Thanks again...I will not call you a moron I think you already know.....

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I guess you think raising taxes and cutting medicare is going to endear the democrats to voters in November.

Posted by: kitzdakat | March 19, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse


I wonder how much the Theif in Cheif paid him off, crooked bunch of SOBs.

Posted by: Obamasnotyamama | March 19, 2010 11:37 AM
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PLEASE LEARN TO SPELL!!!


Posted by: demtse | March 19, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama is willing to devour his presidency, his party's congressional majority and - most disturbing - our democratic institutional safeguards to enact it. He is a reckless ideologue who is willing to sacrifice the country's stability in pursuit of a socialist utopia.

The Slaughter Solution is a poisoned chalice. By drinking from it, the Democrats would not only commit political suicide. They would guarantee that any bill signed by Mr. Obama is illegitimate, illegal and blatantly unconstitutional. It would be worse than a strategic blunder; it would be a crime - a moral crime against the American people and a direct abrogation of the Constitution and our very democracy.

It would open Mr. Obama, as well as key congressional leaders such as Mrs. Pelosi, to impeachment. The Slaughter Solution would replace the rule of law with arbitrary one-party rule. It violates the entire basis of our constitutional government - meeting the threshold of "high crimes and misdemeanors." If it's enacted, Republicans should campaign for the November elections not only on repealing Obamacare, but on removing Mr. Obama and his gang of leftist thugs from office.

It is time Americans drew a line in the sand. Mr. Obama crosses it at his peril.

Posted by: DaMan2 | March 19, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Angie12106,

You must be about 20 years old and your elevator isn't going to the top floor. Shortly baby boomers will be the majority of the population.
THERE WON'T BE ENOUGH MONEY TO PROVIDE DECENT HEALTH CARE TO THAT NUMBER OF SENIORS. THEY WILL HAVE TO CHOOSE WHO GETS WHAT AND HOW MUCH.
Your welfare king is spending everything he can.
WE ARE GOING TO RUN OUT OF MONEY!
Then granny is going to be in real hot water!

Posted by: tjmlrc | March 19, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

angie12106 wrote>>>
Texasbygod wrote>>>YES, TORT reform works and we had a 21.5% reduction in our premiums.

Well, that's great! Now what about those OTHER 35 states that have enacted Tort reform and cite NO decrease in health care costs? Is Texas' Tort reform law different from theirs? - or is Texas diddling with the numbers?


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No, this is based on actual #'s and not an ESTIMATE (Like the CBO's score of this ridiculous bill). It is based on MY premium reduction along with about everyone else I have talked to. As far as the other 35 states... I don't think your #'s are correct. If Tort reform is "properly" written, it cuts the throats of liberal lawyers that pray for malpractice lawsuits because the insurance companies usually settle out of court.

Posted by: TexanbygraceofGOD | March 19, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Hard to believe there is much angst over what is essentially a shadow of the actual reform bill envisioned last year.

This is really no more than an insurance reform bill that tries to curb some of the industry's abuses. Are people really this upset that Aetna might finally have to cover a pre-existing condition?

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | March 19, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

angie12106>>> Just think of the Righties here railing against BETTER Medicare benefits for their parents!
Hopefully their parents will never know their children cared more about DEFENDING Fox News LIES than caring about their parents' health.
Disgusting! - but that's what brainwashing does.

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Let’s try this one on for size...

Let’s cut your salary by 50% but expect a better product/service from you. Still laughing, that is exactly why WE are laughing at this entire BILL. IT STINKS!!!


As far as being brain washed... Hardly the case unlike your drug induced coma you are in brought on by the Obama Kool-aid you have been sipping on.


You are nothing more than a paid propagandist of the ACORN movement... NOTHING MORE!

Posted by: TexanbygraceofGOD | March 19, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I hope and pray that all the Democrats - and maybe free-thinking, compassionate Republicans - will vote for this health care overhaul bill.

Posted by: jujones1 | March 19, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Texasbygod wrote>>>YES, TORT reform works and we had a 21.5% reduction in our premiums.

Well, that's great! Now what about those OTHER 35 states that have enacted Tort reform and cite NO decrease in health care costs? Is Texas' Tort reform law different from theirs? - or is Texas diddling with the numbers?

Posted by: angie12106 | March 19, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Republicans come and join the party on Sunday. You are all invited. This bill was similiar to the one sponsored by Bob Dole and Howard Baker in the 1990's. Two moderate Republicans. It was the Republican alternative to the Clinton Healthcare bill. You were for it before you were against it. In a lot of ways this is a moderate Republican bill. Thank you and enjoy the next couple of days and hopefully we will together have a toast on Sunday in celebration.

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 19, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

WAKE UP! Don't you get it? There is NO DIFFERENCE between the Dems and Repubs....the whole Congress is controlled by special interests...not the least of which is the Insurance industry. Think about it....what a great biz to be in..you have the Govmt. passing a law that says that people have to buy your product! Outrageous!!!

Posted by: peh999 | March 19, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

sslatten3 wrote>>>Tort reform will do virtually nothing to change the health care system -- which is why Republicans want to talk about it.

36 states have enacted Tort reform - but so far, no decrease in health care costs in those states!
However, citizens of those Tort reform states now have LESS recourse against a doctor who cuts off their healthy leg or accountability for any other malpractice.

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Well Angie you are WRONG again... but that is no surprise to us since you are a paid poster of ACORN. YES, TORT reform works and we had a 21.5% reduction in our premiums. Ok, so it took 1 1/2 years for the reduction to kick in but who cares as long as it works!

Posted by: TexanbygraceofGOD | March 19, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Ouch! Rightwinger exposes Hannity's SCAM.......

>>>Sean Hannity's Freedom CONcert scam
March 18, 2010

For the last several years, Sean Hannity and the Freedom Alliance "charity" have conducted “Freedom Concerts” across America. They’ve told you that they are raising money to pay for the college tuition of the children of fallen soldiers and to pay severely wounded war vets. And on Friday Night, Hannity will be honored with an award for this “Outstanding Community Service by a Radio Talk Show Host” at Talkers Magazine’s convention.

But it’s all a huge scam.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/6938/sean-hannitys-freedom-concert-scam-only-7-of-charitys-money-went-to-injured-troops-kids-of-fallen-troops-g5s-g6s-for-vannity

Posted by: angie12106 | March 19, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans were on the wrong side of history on Social Security, on Civil Rights, and on Medicare. They'll be on the wrong side, once again, on health reform.

Posted by: chi-town

What's interesting about your post is how successful the conservatives have been in convincing the public they were against SS from the start.

The actual voting record for the Republicans on the Social Security Act was 80% Ayes.

It's much like they're campaign on the Carter years. Always forgetting that Nixon instituted wage and price controls.

Posted by: James10 | March 19, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

RE....You freakin' moron, 32 million people won't have jack in November, in fact it will be 2014 before they see anything if this bill passes.

There are immediate changes that are going to help. They will come out because they do not want the Repubs to repeal it. You must be crazy if you don't think they do not have a vested interest in the election coming up...Talking about morons thank's for your guy Bush. Without him the big Democratic victories in the house and Senate would not have happened and there would be no Healcare bill today....Thanks again...I will not call you a moron I think you already know.....

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 19, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans were on the wrong side of history on Social Security, on Civil Rights, and on Medicare. They'll be on the wrong side, once again, on health reform.

Posted by: chi-town | March 19, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Any Democrat would be a fool not to support the bill. The tea baggers and other Republican types will oppose the Democrat no matter what is done. And if the Democrat fails to support the Health Care Reform, his own base will also oppose him as well.

Posted by: Ms_Morgan | March 19, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

All you people who are saying "see you in court" are sure smart. Who do you think is going to pay for those lawsuits? You want your government to sue itself with your own tax dollars. All that at a time and in an economy that has already crippled your family and this nation's bank accounts. Brilliant. No wonder you are broke. You would rather spend your money suing yourself than getting health insurance. You just keep following those Republicans over those cliff like frightened, stampeding cattle.

Posted by: mawheelz | March 19, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Power to the people, you Republican quacks and tools of the rich! Kick their butts, Pelosi! Mr. President, push this through. You will not only help millions of poor Americans and cut the deficit, you will drive a stake into the hearts of the vampire rightwing that has bled this country to bankruptcy.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | March 19, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

sslatten3 wrote>>>Tort reform will do virtually nothing to change the health care system -- which is why Republicans want to talk about it.

36 states have enacted Tort reform - but so far, no decrease in health care costs in those states!
However, citizens of those Tort reform states now have LESS recourse against a doctor who cuts off their healthy leg or accountability for any other malpractice.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 19, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Cue Dandy Don, the game's over.

Posted by: js_edit | March 19, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

The GOP had full control of the White House, House and Senate for a full six years. In that entire time the only thing they EVER offered was a blank piece of paper.

And that's all they have to offer now.

Posted by: James10 | March 19, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a delusional narcissist enigma wrapped in an arrogant cloak of blatant deceit and hypocrisy. Greg Neubeck

Posted by: gneubeck | March 19, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have NOTHING to offer here. No alternative. Oh okay, their big answer to health care... wait for it... tort reform!

In the words of Jerry Seinfeld -- Really?? Tort reform will do virtually nothing to change the health care system -- which is why Republicans want to talk about it. It's a shell game with them. Constantly talk about something of little consequence to distract voters so they can sound like they have an actual idea.

Not buying it. 30 million people will get access to health care when this passes, something Republicans hate the idea of. Once people see the effects, the polls will turn around and Republicans will be standing there holding their, um, Richards.
Again.

Posted by: sslatten3 | March 19, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Between 25,000 and 50,000 Americans die needlessly each year due to inadequate or no health insurance. On average around a million declare bankruptcy annually due to health care costs. How can conservatives obstructing reform look themselves in the face in the mirror? How do they sleep at night?

Posted by: Nandt1 | March 19, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Just think of the Righties here railing against BETTER Medicare benefits for their parents!
Hopefully their parents will never know their children cared more about DEFENDING Fox News LIES than caring about their parents' health.
Disgusting! - but that's what brainwashing does.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 19, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

The GOP's negative branding of health care reform as "ObamaCare" will become one of the most positive brand names in U.S. history.
WooHoo! Thanks, Krauthummer and Rushbo and Hannity and Beck and Kristol and all the other rightwing media pundits that have FREE or affordable health care.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 19, 2010 12:53 PM
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Well, they're just being nice. I call it Hellcare since that's what it will be.
Ummmm. Except for you welfare recipients. It's another handout that YOU don't have to work for.
Have you thought about getting a job Angie?
You know. Pay your own way.
Mooch!!

Posted by: tjmlrc | March 19, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Two more F ing traitors who bent over for the incompetent in chief. ow many pieces of silver did these two feces heads get?

Posted by: LarryG62 | March 19, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

TREASON!

Posted by: infantry11b4faus | March 19, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse


Typical pro-Obama puff piece by WaPo hacks who are selective with the face.

No mention of course of the congressmen who have declared a "No" vote in recent days.

And WaPo hacks failing to mention it does not change the vote count.

Posted by: screwjob11 | March 19, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

RE...You'll find out in November when the Republicans sweep back into power, then we'll see who's done Loudmouth

Bring it on...there will be 32 million more people with Healcare...Now how do you think they are going to vote...

How is the repealing of Medicare doing. Republicans said they would repeal it after it was passed in the 1960's. It has only been about 50 years. I guess they just haven't got around to it. Republicans please oh please bring it on...just can't wait.....

Posted by: johnnyk1

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You freakin' moron, 32 million people won't have jack in November, in fact it will be 2014 before they see anything if this bill passes.

Posted by: kitzdakat | March 19, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody out there have anymore crying towels. There are so many republican crybabies on this site I ran out. Republicans we are really tired of you and your party. You like to kick people around think you know what is always right for America...You are arrogant. What goes around comes around..if you do not like the Healthcare....leave.....

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 19, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

The GOP's negative branding of health care reform as "ObamaCare" will become one of the most positive brand names in U.S. history.
WooHoo! Thanks, Krauthummer and Rushbo and Hannity and Beck and Kristol and all the other rightwing media pundits that have FREE or affordable health care.

Posted by: angie12106 | March 19, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Ben "dover" Pershing is a shill for the WaPo's faux-controversy wing.

Healthcare will pass.

Elections have consequences.

Get used to it.

Morons.

Posted by: Heerman532 | March 19, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

See you in court !

Additionally. After the American people take back the house and senate in November 2010.
We the people will start the criminal investigations and impeachment proceedings.

Posted by: dashriprock | March 19, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

216 votes? Are you kidding?

With President Obama driving healthcare across the paint it's a....

SLAM

DUNK!!!

The crowd goes wild!!!!

Posted by: Heerman532 | March 19, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

RE...You'll find out in November when the Republicans sweep back into power, then we'll see who's done Loudmouth

Bring it on...there will be 32 million more people with Healcare...Now how do you think they are going to vote...

How is the repealing of Medicare doing. Republicans said they would repeal it after it was passed in the 1960's. It has only been about 50 years. I guess they just haven't got around to it. Republicans please oh please bring it on...just can't wait.....

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 19, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing how easily the Lib Dem Socialists can look in the camera and LIE. It is stunning how Deceptive they are. They really do think all of America is as Stupid as those that voted for Barry.

Posted by: jas7751 | March 19, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Whoever was talking about Rasmussen being biased, here' the latest from NBC.


This is where Obamacare is. Everyone knows it won't work. As liberal Sen. Dick Durbin just admitted, "Anyone who would stand before you and say well, if you pass health care reform next year's health care premiums are going down, I don't think is telling the truth."

And that "anyone" would be the president.

Voters across America - and particularly here in Massachusetts - are focused on the question of policy. Will this 2,400-page "deem and pass" Washington monstrosity get me a better doctor or better medicine at a better price? We've figured out the answer is no, which is why the latest WSJ/NBC poll has opposition to Obamacare at 48 percent, a new high. Only 36 percent of Americans support it.

Posted by: kitzdakat | March 19, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Any word on what they were bribed to sell their votes? Man, some Democrats are getting RICH today! Sure, all the corruption makes the bill a lot more expensive, but we'll just stick it to the stupid taxpayers!

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | March 19, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse


Only Big Govt Liberals could amass such an irresponsible piece of legislation. And there are actually those that think it would improve anything. This is an unmitigated disaster and has the Lib Dem fingerprints all over the crime scene. Liberals really are an incompetent mess.

Elections of 2010 & 12 Cannot Come Soon Enough !

Posted by: jas7751 | March 19, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Ignoranceisbliss loves it in the butt.

Posted by: larsenist | March 19, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama and his Chicago Thuggery... bringing you the Marxist dreams of his father... one extortion at a time

Posted by: Obama_TRAITOR_in_Chief | March 19, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Gracie, turn out the lights. The bill is all but signed.

Posted by: Keesvan | March 19, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's approval rating has hovered around 50% since November, but in the last two days has declined to the point that slightly more Americans now disapprove than approve of his performance in office.

The new low ratings come during a week in which the White House and Democratic congressional leaders are working to convince wavering House Democrats to support healthcare reform, which they hope to pass using a series of parliamentary maneuvers in the House of Representatives and Senate.

Americans hold Congress in far less esteem than they do the president -- 16% approve and 80% disapprove of the job Congress is doing, according to the latest update from a March 4-7 Gallup poll. That is just two points off the record-low 14% Gallup measured in July 2008. Gallup has been measuring congressional approval since 1974."

VOTE NO or your head will roll in November.

Obama is a DISGRACE.

Posted by: ignoranceisbliss | March 19, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

The Liberal Dem Socialist Party will not have achieved their objective until at least 50% in this Country are dependent on Govt Entitlements and pay no Fed Tax. That is their Base, their voters. The Govt Needy and Dependent. All they are concerned about is increasing their dependent base with Govt Entitlements via Redistribution of Income to grow the Central Govt's Power. Their Cult Leader, Barry, is a Radical Demagogue who will use Class Envy, Demonize Profit, Capitalism, Totalitarian Tactic and LIE to the Nation. He is a Radical Ideologue Demagogue. He is Deceptive. Liberalism, unchecked, will destroy this Country. It can only absorb so much.

Elections of 2010 & 12 Cannot Come Soon Enough !!


Posted by: jas7751 | March 19, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

More Back room deals - more bribes as Pelosi and Obama pay those that vote for their socialist agenda instead of heeding what America wants. Obama, Pelosi and the Dems now think they are better than the American electorate and thye and ONLY they, will make any and all decisions...just like Hugo Chavez.

It will be hell to be a democrat running for relection in the Mid-terms or 2012 ....the democratic party has sold America down the River to appesase their socialist master.

Posted by: Realist20 | March 19, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Repent the end is near!

Repent the end is near!

Armageddon! You betcha!

What a pathetic bunch of pathetic losers these dimwitted, bottom feeding, fear mongering, right wing-nuts!

Posted by: Citi__Street | March 19, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Nobody cares about Fox news. If they want a fight bring it on. They are gutless and spineless. They are just a big propaganda machine for the right wing nutcases...I got a message for you Fox news America love it or leave it...You and your party are toast after Healthcare passes....Done like dinner....We are not intimidated by you and your friends. Americans are not afraid anymore.....So go back to the shadows where you belong....

Posted by: johnnyk1
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You'll find out in November when the Republicans sweep back into power, then we'll see who's done Loudmouth.

Posted by: kitzdakat | March 19, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

If you want to get a real clue about rasmussen - just go to realclearpolitics, and look at the list of polls. rasmussen is always at least 5% off to the conservative POV, and usually more like 10%. They are about as reliable as the conservative organizations that pay for their dreck biased polling.

Posted by: John1263 | March 19, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential RE....Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 23% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President.
Forty-four percent (44%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21. His lowest
ever.

The poll mentioned above and 75 cents will buy you a coffee. This is a Rasmussen poll. This is Fox news's twin....They have been wrong on many polls. Nice try....

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 19, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse
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I guess Rasmussen was lying when they had Obama in the positive approval last year, is that what you're saying? You know denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

Posted by: kitzdakat | March 19, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Nobody cares about Fox news. If they want a fight bring it on. They are gutless and spineless. They are just a big propaganda machine for the right wing nutcases...I got a message for you Fox news America love it or leave it...You and your party are toast after Healthcare passes....Done like dinner....We are not intimidated by you and your friends. Americans are not afraid anymore.....So go back to the shadows where you belong....

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 19, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Turn out the lights the party is over.

It's been a great ride the last 250 years. But we let our guard down and saddled ourselves with a gang of admitted radicals who have vowed to "fundamentally transform America".

This country is now being torn apart by a bunch of thugs who will lie, break promises, cheat and bribe to get the power and control they want. The will of the people means nothing to them.

Sorry, grandpa and grandma our country has let you down. Sorry all you vets, the freedom you fought for is about to be stripped away.

Posted by: thehamptons1 | March 19, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Its not over till the fat lady sings.

Obama, Pelosi & Reid were open and transparent about scamming the American people.

I still don't understand why Congress and the White House don't get the same bill if its so great.

Posted by: 45upnorth | March 19, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Republicans Suck.
Republicans Suck.
Republicans Suck.
Republicans Suck.
Republicans Suck.
Republicans Suck.
Republicans Suck.
Republicans Suck.

Posted by: MrMoney007 | March 19, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse


Exact Same Style weekend event by US Congress sent HelathCare bill to US Senate in LATE 2009. Several Problems then, US Congress was NOT In session that day/NIGHT & photos show Person with Grey hair, heavy set & Mustache, identified in News Release as US Congressional Sgt at Arms, whom Lost Job (fired) about 6 Years ago. Recently, earlier today, picture on internet with Same Heavy set gray haired & Mustached defunct Sgt at ARMS, with group in US Congress Floor area with Hon Pelosi, Seems that specific BAD guard Knows how to enter US Congress when out of session & Pull Spoof Photo session that becomes foundation for HealthCare bill Moving Bill on in Process, complete Fraud, Public Seems NOT smart Enough to UnderStand Mess has fallen into. terrible Crime, Right in Front of US Public Eyes.
Murder Is NOT Health Care & Prsent Bill Is Harvest of People whom bought BAD Package, NOT HealthCare At ALL. Entertainment Murder In isolated Place called hospitol. Inside Foundation of present HealthCare, Is HATE of Citizens of United States of America Lawyers Are that Way with Others. Whole Lie now called health Care Bill Needs Be Thrown Out, Defeated. Congress Is About To Criminalize HealthCare Process Further than every before. Public Being Duped & Repeat of first events in US Congress in Lat 2009. US CongressPeople Are NOT Above Law.

Signed:PHYSICIAN THOMAS STEWART von DRASHEK M.D.
GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY 1984 to 1989.

Posted by: thomasxstewart1 | March 17, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ThomasStewart1 | March 19, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Finally Democrats standing up, growing a pair, realizing that they could phellate rush limbaugh every day and not gain a single shred of support from any tea bag toting republicon, and getting together and doing what is right for the nation instead of cowering in fear of the right wing corporate attack machine.

Posted by: John1263 | March 19, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
Healthcare will pass
and Republicans that will be the end of you

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 19, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Go over to Foxnews.com and read what the posters are saying: "Vote for this Sunday and we'll be at war on Monday" etc. Yep, must be Big Money involved to fire up the rabble like that. Therefore must be something more precious at stake that needs to be voted for.

Posted by: slavin1298 | March 19, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"You progressives really hate this country.

Posted by: FredKnowsBest | March 19, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse"

Progressivism is a political attitude favoring or advocating changes or reform. Progressivism is often viewed in opposition to conservative or reactionary ideologies. The Progressive Movement began in cities with settlement workers and reformers who were interested in helping those facing harsh conditions at home and at work. The reformers spoke out about the need for laws regulating tenement housing and child labor. They also called for better working condition for women.

This demostrates just how ignorant and uninformed individuals like Mr Fred Knowsbest are. Imagine progress towards helping America evolve in health, education, and humanistic needs being a reflection of hating America.

Progress would offend The Republicans , hell they haven’t had any in ten years !!

Posted by: dylan915 | March 19, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"You progressives really hate this country.

Posted by: FredKnowsBest | March 19, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse"

Progressivism is a political attitude favoring or advocating changes or reform. Progressivism is often viewed in opposition to conservative or reactionary ideologies. The Progressive Movement began in cities with settlement workers and reformers who were interested in helping those facing harsh conditions at home and at work. The reformers spoke out about the need for laws regulating tenement housing and child labor. They also called for better working condition for women.

This demostrates just how ignorant and uninformed individuals like Mr Fred Knowsbest are. Imagine progress towards helping America evolve in health, education, and humanistic needs being a reflection of hating America.

Progress would offend The Republicans , hell they haven’t had any in ten years !!

Posted by: dylan915 | March 19, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

jahoby wrote:
This will be one unholy Sunday for any American suckers left who still believe in the "Schoolhouse Rock" version of how a bill becomes a law.

Schoolhouse Rock, and it's "I'm just a bill" episode, were simplistic explanations geared to a child's capability of understanding.

No wonder so many who shout "Pelosi is destroying the Constitution" have such a poor understanding of the Legislature - they never learned any civics beyond an 8 year old's level.

The Constitution stipulates that each House of the Legislature can set their own rules. Deem and pass, reconciliation, etc, are valid means to get a bill to the President's desk, as the Republicans knew all too well when they were using the very same things.

Posted by: hitpoints | March 19, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

ObamaCare will combine the fiscal solvency of Medicare with the efficiency and effectiveness of the USPS, Amtrak and TSA.

ObamaCare supporters: does it bother you at all that efforts which have expanded government intervention have all failed in TN (TennCare), Maine, Oregon and MA (RomneyCAre). Even a teensy bit? Right now the government is batting 0.000 and you want to given them more power. Brilliant.

Posted by: grabowcp | March 19, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

May God forgive these hate/war/fear mongers. They don't know what they are doing. They did the same when we fought for Civil Liberty/Slavery, Medicare/Medicaid, Voting Rights for Women, just to name a few.

They are just self-hating Americans. Why? Hadn't we been taught in the school that Government is by the People, of the People and for the People? They are still people, right?

Posted by: PD11 | March 19, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential RE....Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 23% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President.
Forty-four percent (44%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21. His lowest
ever.

The poll mentioned above and 75 cents will buy you a coffee. This is a Rasmussen poll. This is Fox news's twin....They have been wrong on many polls. Nice try....

Posted by: johnnyk1 | March 19, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

To all those vehemently opposed to health care reform, you should probably start packing your bags because from all your frothy-mouthed lies it looks like socialism is finally coming to America.

Posted by: HillRat | March 19, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

It is funny how the conservatives no longer only hate liberals but progressives too. Progress is neither liberal or conservative. It moves the country in a better direction. Clearly those who tea bag and such, do not love our country. Or, do not love what it has become. Either way their crying, complaining and calls for revolt is "unpatriotic" within their own set standards of- one who opposes the will of the government is unpatriotic. They made the rules not the progressives. They created the reconsilition rule, Deem and Pass, you name it. You reap what you sow. And if you can't handle it leave. This is America, and to stand as the leader of the free world we must move forward morally and structurally, if we are ever to move ahead economically.

Posted by: adamschifter08 | March 19, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

It was Kentucky Democrats that sent Ben Chandler to Washington and it will be Kentucky Democrats that send him home if he does not grow some courage and do the right thing which is vote YES for healthcare reform. He knows how very much Kentucky needs this. He also knows that the constituents in his district who say they are against healthcare reform do not understand it; have watched too much FOX News, etc. Do the right thing, Ben or look for a new career.

Posted by: Sandy21 | March 19, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"Funny thing about politicians, they can flip flop on issues where the rest of us are either for or against having already considered the facts. That's what bribes and promises for career advancement can do. I am against the bill as I know government involvement has never helped but makes opportunity for more corruption."

More corrupt than what? Health Care Insurance companies dumping you when you get sick? Denying you coverage for preexisting conditions like domestic violence? In other words, their plan is "Don't get sick. If you do die quickly." More corrupt than the private sector who have been ripping off Medicare for the last 9 years with the complicity of a "business friendly" administration? An administration that was more concerned with the drug companies, Medicare part D, the the national debt?

Please explain your concerns. They seem very at odds with the facts.

Posted by: stanassc | March 19, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"The Congressional Budget Office said that the Senate health care bill would cut the deficit by 130 billion dollars" So where is the money coming from? From accounting tricks like putting the doc fix in another bill, for collecting taxes for 10 years but only giving benefits for 6 years, and from your pocket.

What? Yes. If you have a child under 26, they are required to be able to stay on your insurance. That will cost you (and everyone else --we will all subsidize that with our premiums). You will be required to buy a policy that has UNLIMITED insurance company payouts. You know that will cost you more.

And in 2018 a policy kicks in that says if your insurance costs a lot, you have to pay taxes on it--regardless of whether you have crappy insurance from a small business or anything else.

The Federal government wants to control as much of your life as it possibly can. The constitution specifically tries to limit federal powers, why? Because Washington bureaucrats and representatives from states you don't live in and can never vote out of office should NOT be able to have so much power over your life. The bill would make your personal insurance costs go up faster than if Congress did nothing.

Posted by: sam38 | March 19, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

The CBO can only look at what is in this bill, not the other $650 billion in spending that was done outside this bill for the unions, doctors, and pharma. Also, as a savings, they are counting planned reduced expensed in Medicare that come up every year, but have always been voted to delay the reduction for another year.

We add 35 million people and the costs comes down? Too funny. This is not about Healthcare, It's about the cornerstone of a socialistic agenda. Period.

Posted by: steve90 | March 19, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

This is wonderful news.

Posted by: jeffwacker | March 19, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

One need look no further, in this scam, than the fact that the House and Senate members and the President are exempt from this law.

For lawmakers to make a law which exempts them from the grasp of its jaws is the purist form of villainy and tyranny imaginable.

Posted by: kwoods2 | March 19, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Finally someone from the Republicans who actually cares about the will of the American people and the millions of families who are desparately in need of health care reform.
Rep. Boccieri will be remembered for this, and those who turned their backs on America will not be forgotten in November !
I am a Republican, but after Bush, and now that I've seen just how inept this party has become, I will not vote Republican again until they show some awareness of this nation's needs.
I am ashamed of the way they have handled health care reform. They made NO EFFORT AT ALL to find a solution.

Posted by: dylan915 | March 19, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Finally someone from the Republicans who actually cares about the will of the American people and the millions of families who are desparately in need of health care reform.
Rep. Boccieri will be remembered for this, and those who turned their backs on America will not be forgotten in November !
I am a Republican, but after Bush, and now that I've seen just how inept this party has become, I will not vote Republican again until they show some awareness of this nation's needs.
I am ashamed of the way they have handled health care reform. They made NO EFFORT AT ALL to find a solution.

Posted by: dylan915 | March 19, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

jahoby: deem and pass is trivial. so trivial they may not bother to use it, because there may not be anybody who prefers to vote for the rule (which constitutes a combined vote for the senate bill and the reconciliation fixes and hardly hides anything) rather than to vote for the senate bill and the reconciliation separately. all that whining over nothing. so what else is new for repubs?

Posted by: JoeT1 | March 19, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Well done! Let's rock that vote on Sunday. Health care reform for America!

Posted by: croftonpost | March 19, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

gdod25

Hope you turn away the government involvement when the fire department shows up at your burning house, with your kids screaming to be saved from the upstairs windows. Government involvement would, of course, only make it worse.

Posted by: daweeni | March 19, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 23% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President.
Forty-four percent (44%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21. His lowest ever.

43% favor the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats, while 53% oppose it. Those findings include 23% who Strongly Favor the plan and 46% who Strongly Oppose it.

Republican candidates have now stretched their lead over Democrats to 10 points in the Generic Congressional Ballot, their biggest lead ever in nearly three years of weekly tracking.

Republicans are twice as likely as Democrats to know it is illegal not to answer the entire Census.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Posted by: Hawaiian_Gecko | March 19, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Bravo for Rep. Boccieri! The passage of the healthcare bill on Sunday seems now all but inevitable. The repubs will throw a fit, but who cares. This will be a major step towards the U.S. joining the civilized world.

Posted by: George151 | March 19, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

mike85: that's not how you count. you can't mix tallies from different sources using different assumptions.

Posted by: JoeT1 | March 19, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

RIP Dems!

Posted by: cschotta1 | March 19, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

This will be one unholy Sunday for any American suckers left who still believe in the "Schoolhouse Rock" version of how a bill becomes a law.
Yes, Democrats will finally enjoy the ugliest of victories when they force through their health-care overhaul on a "deem-and-pass" procedure, which is legislative jargon for pulling a fast one.
The bill will get through not because it somehow got improved during the sausage-making process. No, it will pass because, in Washington, there is one unalterable truism. For so many of the most powerful people in this town, everyone and everything is up for sale -- especially when principles or other people's money is at stake.

Posted by: jahoby | March 19, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Good for you, Rep. Boccieri. Your mother is proud of you (so is my mother).

Dems, look past November. Think ahead 10 years. Voting against healthcare reform now is like voting to invade Iraq 7 years ago. Vote your conscience.

Reason and moral sense are winning the day. We shall cast aside unreason and blind hatred.

Posted by: DavidH3 | March 19, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

While Pelosi is picking up votes, she is losing votes at an even faster rate. At the beginning of the week she needed four votes to pass the bill. As of last night, she needed eleven.

Posted by: mike85 | March 19, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"You progressives really hate this country.

Posted by: FredKnowsBest | March 19, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse"

Nah -- just scumbags like you.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | March 19, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Funny thing about politicians, they can flip flop on issues where the rest of us are either for or against having allready considered the facts. Thats what bribes and promises for career advancement can do. I am against the bill as I know government involvement has never helped but makes opportunity for more corruption.

Posted by: gdod25 | March 19, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

As of 2007, about one in 26 Americans have had cancer.

By 2020, roughly one in 19 will have been diagnosed with the disease.


45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE58G6W520090917

The Congressional Budget Office said that the Senate health care bill would cut the deficit by 130 billion dollars.

Wake up wingnuts, you, or someone in your family, could get a serious disease or trauma any time. You could be financially wiped out in a day. It’s time we did what 30 other Western nations have already done.

Posted by: losthorizon10 | March 19, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

YES!!!!!!!

Posted by: ralphbackhome | March 19, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

FredKnowsBest: what does fixing a broken health care reimbursement system on the brink of collapse have to do with progressives supposedly hating America?

quit waving the flag. it doesn't become you

Posted by: JoeT1 | March 19, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Health Care Reform is indeed, "doing what's right." That must be why the Republicans are against it, American citizens, and frequently, America itself.

Posted by: rurik | March 19, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

The Democrats are starting to exhibit some cojones!!! Now they need to make the "GOParty Of No!!!" read phone books until they turn red in the face, and teach them the basic math that 50+1 is a majority, in a group of 100. Enjoy your Teabagging, Repukes.

Posted by: daweeni | March 19, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

so armtwisting is OK when republicans do it? give me a break, the whining is reaching hysterical proportions.

and opposing the bill because the senate abortion language isn't quite as strong as the house language (though that's debatable) even though either is much tougher than existing law, so voting to kill health reform is actually more pro-choice? that just tells you how absurd abortion politics are. the house bill could have a new provision calling for the death penalty for moms and their doctors, and these folks would vote against the bill because the senate bill would only execute the moms and that wouldn't score as well for the pro-life orgs, even thought they get neither provision if the bills fail

Posted by: JoeT1 | March 19, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I love it. ReTHUGliCANTS love uncontrolled government spending when it's used to wage idiotic wars based on lies, deceit and propaganda, but soil themselves when the government actually spends money on We, The People.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | March 19, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Good for you, Rep. Boccieri, and good for our USA. Finally, progress in our nation's quest to catch up with the civilized world.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | March 19, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

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You progressives really hate this country.

Posted by: FredKnowsBest | March 19, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Good for you, Rep. Boccieri, and good for our USA. Finally, progress in our nation's quest to catch up with the civilized world.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | March 19, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

This is beginning to feel like a victory march to the finish.

Posted by: bertram2 | March 19, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

How is a flop-flop standing up for what you believe in?

Posted by: FredKnowsBest | March 19, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"I want my mom to know that I'm standing up today and doing what I believe is right,"

And what was he doing before this epiphany? Being and azzhole? Posturing for the media? Getting his 15 minutes of fame? What a jerk! Where were his convictions during the entire time this bill was being put together?

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | March 19, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how much the Theif in Cheif paid him off, crooked bunch of SOBs.

Posted by: Obamasnotyamama | March 19, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

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