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Health bill gains steam ahead of Sunday climax

By Ben Pershing
More than five months after House leaders muscled the first version of health legislation through their chamber, the revised package is lumbering toward a final roll call Sunday, picking up votes, momentum and more controversy along the way.

"House Democrats initiated a 72-hour countdown Thursday on their yearlong effort to overhaul the health care system, unveiling a nearly final version of the legislation that promptly won additional support with a promise that the bill would more than pay for itself over the next decade," the New York Times ledes, adding: "Armed with detailed legislative language and a report on the bill's costs from the Congressional Budget Office, Democratic leaders and White House officials kicked off a new round of arm-twisting to line up the votes they will need to pass the legislation when it comes to the House floor in the face of intense Republican opposition on Sunday. House Democratic leaders were still struggling Thursday to lock in the 216 votes they need to pass the bill. They are believed to be at least a half-dozen votes short, but say they are confident they can secure the needed votes." The Los Angeles Times says Democrats were "buoyed by estimates that their healthcare overhaul would cut the deficit by $138 billion over the next decade." Politico agrees that "Democrats' yearlong health reform push picked up unmistakable momentum Thursday as the votes began to fall into place for a history-making roll call Sunday."

How close are they really? Roll Call reports that "House Democrats officially gained two and lost two on Thursday as they continued their painstaking zigzag toward 216 votes," citing the yea votes of Bart Gordon and Betsy Markey and the nays of Michael Arcuri and Stephen Lynch. MSNBC said Thursday "that the White House and House Dem leaders are fewer than five votes away from 216." But the big vote-tracking graphics of some news organizations say there are many more undecided lawmakers; CNN said Friday morning that their count topped 30. The Wall Street Journal writes: "The CBO number may persuade some lawmakers because it puts the ten-year cost of the bill below $1 trillion, a symbolic threshold many Democrats didn't want to cross. Perhaps more important is the estimate of how much the bill would cut the deficit. The focus Thursday was on eight to ten fiscal conservatives who voted against the House version of the health overhaul in November but have been targeted as possible supporters as Democrats struggle to build the 216-vote majority needed for passage. ... Democratic leaders were closely monitoring Reps. Allen Boyd of Florida and John Tanner of Tennessee, both bellwethers among centrist Democrats."

The New York Times looks at a different group of members: "For a group of particularly jittery Democrats, the better question may be this: Who will be allowed to slip away? Yes, the 11th-hour vote tallying is under way at a brisk pace in offices from Capitol Hill to the West Wing, with Ms. Pelosi and her lieutenants keeping hour-by-hour tabs on wavering Democrats. But as the week inches along, with momentum steadily building to a Sunday vote, the party leaders are also beginning to decide which politically endangered lawmakers will be given absolution to vote no." Politico studies the numbers: "So far, none of the Democrats agonizing about how to vote on health care reform has announced, 'I'm just going to do whatever is most politically expedient.' But on the chance -- call it a hypothetical -- that this might actually be the decisive factor, wavering lawmakers find themselves confronted with a disorienting barrage of polls and even more disorienting arguments about what the polls really mean."

Obama finally did what many Democrats privately hoped he would and postponed his trip to Indonesia and Australia. "Obama was scheduled to leave Sunday morning for his first foreign trip of the year. [Robert] Gibbs said Obama and his White House aides didn't want to wait until the last minute and make a call to Indonesia and Australia and say 'we're not coming,'" USA Today writes. Bloomberg says Obama is "ceding ground to China in seeking trade and investment opportunities in Southeast Asia's largest economy. Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao will make his first visit to [Indonesia] next month, according to Indonesia's Foreign Ministry. Obama informed the leaders of Indonesia and Australia, which was to be the second leg of his trip, that he will try to reschedule for June." Peggy Noonan is brutal: "Excuse me, but it is embarrassing--really, embarrassing to our country--that the president of the United States has again put off a state visit to Australia and Indonesia because he's having trouble passing a piece of domestic legislation he's been promising for a year will be passed next week. What an air of chaos this signals to the world. And to do this to Australia of all countries, a nation that has always had America's back and been America's friend. How bush league, how undisciplined, how kid's stuff."

As for that momentum-shifting CBO report, the Washington Post writes: "[A]s much as the 25-page 'score' of the legislation was treated as holy writ in Washington -- Democrats eagerly flagged its conclusion that the package they aim to pass this weekend would cut the deficit by $138 billion over the coming decade -- the reality is considerably messier. Budget experts generally have high praise for the work of CBO analysts, the non-ideological technocrats who crunch the numbers to estimate the fiscal impact of legislation. But their work is often more art than science, and although the forecasts that accompany legislation are always filled with uncertainty, this one contains more than most." The Wall Street Journal asks, "How can the bill spend so much and still reduce the deficit? The answer lies mainly in new taxes and curbs on Medicare spending. The CBO numbers reflect the combined cost of two pieces of legislation. First is the version of the health overhaul passed through the Senate on Christmas Eve. Second is a package of changes released Thursday. ... The CBO said the Senate bill by itself would reduce the federal budget deficit, currently running at some $1.3 trillion a year, by $118 billion over a decade compared with current law. That's because the new taxes and spending cuts are greater than the cost of expanding insurance coverage. The changes added an additional $20 billion in deficit reduction."

The Associated Press picks out a provision the GOP is sure to highlight: "High-income families would be hit with a tax increase on wages and a new levy on investments under President Barack Obama's health care overhaul bill. For the first time, the Medicare payroll tax would be applied to investment income, beginning in 2013. A new 3.8 percent tax would be imposed on interest, dividends, capital gains and other investment income for individuals making more than $200,000 a year and couples making more than $250,000. The bill also would increase the Medicare payroll tax by 0.9 percentage point to 2.35 percent on wages above $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for married couples filing jointly. The new tax on investment income is higher than the 2.9 percent tax proposed by President Barack Obama. House Democratic leaders increased it so they could reduce the impact of a new tax on high-cost health insurance plans strongly opposed by labor unions."

It had been awhile since opponents of the bill found a special deal to seize on, but for a short time Thursday, they had one. Politics Daily writes: "Facing a barrage of questions, Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) Thursday sought the removal of a special provision he had written into the package of fixes to the Senate health care bill that would have applied only to the Bank of North Dakota. The provision would have allowed the Bank of North Dakota to continue to originate and service student loans even though a pending overhaul says that all such loans will originate through the U.S. Department of Education, beginning July 1. The bill stipulated that only North Dakota residents attending North Dakota schools would be eligible for the loans." Roll Call says "Conrad went on the defensive Thursday afternoon after Republicans seized on a carve-out. ... Republicans had already dubbed the provision the 'Bismarck Bank Job.' 'In this [partisan] environment, you can't defend. It doesn't matter what the merits are. It doesn't matter,' said Conrad. 'So I just told them take it out. ... We negotiated this in good faith months ago. But it's not worth it. It's not right that it be used to misrepresent this package.'" AP notes the bill also includes "extra money for hospitals in Tennessee that serve large numbers of low-income patients."

Democrats beat back Republican efforts to highlight the "deem and pass" strategy for moving the health bill Thursday. But the minority has other tricks up its sleeve. "Republicans are looking beyond Sunday's expected vote on the Democrats' health-care overhaul to focus on strategies for striking back should it pass, ranging from challenges to the measure by individual states to a national repeal campaign," the Wall Street Journal reports, adding: "Those tactics face long odds. But GOP leaders hope at a minimum that they can energize conservative activists and turn the electorate against the Democrats in the crucial period after the law's enactment, when both parties would be fighting to define it in the public's mind before the November elections." Marc Thiessen is sarcastic: "Oh, yes, Republicans set out to block everything Obama does -- that is why the Democrats have been forced to try tricks such as the 'Louisiana Purchase,' 'reconciliation' and 'deem and pass.' The fact is, Obama and the Democrats are reaping what they have sown. The president came into office with the largest Democratic majorities in decades and decided he would pass his major initiatives along strict party lines if he had to. That is what he tried to do. And it backfired."

Time profiles Joel Benenson and his arguments for why reform will accrue to Democrats' benefit: "His argument flows in several directions at once. First of all, he says, the details of reform, as Democrats hope to frame it, are far more popular than the package as a whole. Americans overwhelmingly want to end the insurance industry's practice of denying coverage for pre-existing conditions. They want to be able to afford coverage when they are between jobs. They want seniors to have more help with prescription-drug costs. Second, he says, the worst fears of Americans will never be realized. 'Is somebody's elderly parent or relative going to be put to death by a death panel?' he asks. 'No. It doesn't exist.' Third, a sizable chunk of those who oppose the current bill -- roughly 1 in 6 in a January CNN poll -- want the bill to be even more liberal. But perhaps most important of all, Benenson believes the current polls confuse a skepticism about health care reform with broad discontent over the political process in Washington."

Michael Salon disagrees: "Lose the battle but win the war--that is the redeeming hope congressional leaders offer to their rank-and-file members on the coming votes on the Obama health-care plan. While diehards still insist that a government takeover of health care will be a net winner this fall, more and more Democrats understand this is a career-ending vote. And so their leadership presents them with the following proposition: Do the right thing and over the long run the power of our party will be stronger as the workers in roughly one-sixth of the U.S. economy will behave more like public employee union members. The sacrifice won't be in vain. While that prospect may be comforting, it is far from certain." Paul Krugman asks: "Can you imagine a better reform? Sure. If Harry Truman had managed to add health care to Social Security back in 1947, we'd have a better, cheaper system than the one whose fate now hangs in the balance. But an ideal plan isn't on the table. And what is on the table, ready to go, is legislation that is fiscally responsible, takes major steps toward dealing with rising health care costs, and would make us a better, fairer, more decent nation. All it will take to make this happen is for a handful of on-the-fence House members to do the right thing. Here's hoping."

By Ben Pershing  |  March 19, 2010; 8:00 AM ET
Categories:  Health Care , The Rundown  
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DEMOCRATS STRONG ARM HOLDOUTS FOR PASSAGE OF OBAMACARE

CTV.ca
March 21, 2010
As the United States House of Representatives prepares to use a rare Sunday session to vote on President Barack Obama’s health care reform bill, the chairman of the Democratic caucus says his party is poised to win the historic vote.
Appearing on ABC television’s “This Week,” Connecticut Rep. John Larson said Sunday the Democrats had the 216 votes needed to pass the bill.
“We have the votes now — as we speak,” he said.
Republicans are vehemently opposed to the bill and have maintained that they will vote against it.
In their efforts to get the bill passed, Obama and Speaker Nancy Pelosi have focused on undecided Democrats.
Sunday afternoon’s session includes two votes. First, Congress will vote on the Senate-passed health care reform bill. If passed, the bill will then head to the president to be signed into law.
If the bill passes, Congress will then vote on a package of changes that, if passed, will go back to the Senate.

Check out what Government is doing behind your back at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU
And

Did you know that you and your family are under surveillance? For your own defense, Watch: “Shadow Government” http://snardfarker.ning.com/profiles/blogs/videos-shadow-government-full?xg_source=msg_mes_network

Should this Bill pass, today it will be the true definition of "Communist" legislation passed in America a bill passed against an overwhelming majority of the people!

The politicians who are pushing this Bill through deserve to have their political carreers absolutely OBLITERATED never able to return to American politics again ( too bad we couldn't have them deported to England to live beside Edmund de Rothschild! ).

Come Nov.2. 2010 make sure this happens, vote only for Constitutionalists! No parasite Elitist members!

Make sure the same happens to Obama on 2012! Kick him out in disgrace, because that is what he is, a Communistic disgrace and puppet of the New World Order agenda,that English Prime Minister Gordon Brown speaks so fondly of!

Deport Obama back to Indonesia

Posted by: PaulRevere4 | March 21, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

gparker1 - apologies for misreading your user ID. I read newspapers online late at night and my eyes go on strike!

Tom Camfield is another poster who confirms my impression that Bush did give tax breaks to the upper-income group.

They say the world has become a small place ... But it seems to me that with about 7 billion of us teeming over this planet (it was 2 billion when I was a child) and disinformation all over the place, it's very difficult to get an accurate impression of things.

Posted by: mdt44 | March 20, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I watch the US scene as never before, because I like this president and I didn't like the previous one. For some time now I've been wondering just how Americans feel about a tax increase for the affluent. After all, if I got it right, one of the more odious things the previous administration did was to give tax breaks to that same sector. How does their tax level today compare with what they paid in the pre-Bush era?

It seems at least one of the privileged ones agrees with that. I read gparker's comment with interest. It's to be hoped more of the privileged in that great country are positive about levelling the playing field a bit. It can be such an ugly old world ... Sad how addictive money is.

Posted by: mdt44 | March 20, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Sosa,

There are no plausible similarities between the regimes you mention and Obama's programs and proposals, which are just barely left-of-center and are no more radical than the social agendas of such Republican presidents as Ford and Nixon.

Even if fully realized, Obama's plans merely would push us ever-so-slightly toward the Canadian model -- a nation which is hardly a cesspool of oppression or despotism.

I'm not sure why you Obama haters go straight for the hysterical Nazi/Marxist analogies rather than make far more accurate comparisons to the many peaceful, free, and prosperous European nations that, by caring for its weakest members, can with a straight face be termed civilized societies.

But I suppose such well-reasoned analogies would fail to bolster your case. Nor would they fit well with the arm-flapping, fact-free style that seems so popular with conservatives today.

Posted by: idealist61 | March 19, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

idealist61, Obama's "help-the-poor" SCAMS like Obamacare and cap and trade are almost identical to the "help-the-poor" scams of Castro, Chavez, and the rest of the Marxist thugs who are destroying Latin America. Those scams are based on lies, manipulation, intimidation, coercion, bribes and fraud.

With "help-the-poor" scams like Obamacare, the Castro brothers transformed an imperfect but happy and prosperous island into a GULAG of abject misery, where the only hope for most is being able to escape. They also infected their Marxist virus to other countries (Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Nicaragua...), causing tremendous suffering everywhere.

And now Obama is working hard, with the help of the dumbed down population (previously called “useful idiots”) to spread their virus to the U.S.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | March 19, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Sperrysphere,

Some facts for you:

MYTH - Low-income families do not work.

FACT - 72% of low-income families work.

MYTH - Low-income families do not work hard.

FACT - The average annual work effort for low-
income working families is 2,552 hours,
roughly one and one-quarter full-time jobs.


MYTH - Low-income working families are headed
by single parents.

FACT - 52% of low-income working families are
headed by married couples.


MYTH - Low-income working families are headed
by immigrants.

FACT - 69% of low-income working families have
only American-born parents.


MYTH - Low-income working families have very
young parents.

FACT - 89% of low-income working families have parents between the ages of 25 and 54.


MYTH - Low-income working families are overwhelmingly minority.

FACT - 43% of low-income working families have
white, non-Hispanic parents.

MYTH - Low-income working families are dependent on public assistance.

FACT - 25% of low-income working families receive food stamp assistance.

--from the Working Poor Families Project (http://www.workingpoorfamilies.org/pdfs/NatReport08.pdf)

You also might want to take a look at this essay on Adam Smith's Theory of Moral Sentiments: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/30/us/30iht-currents.html?ref=weekinreview&pagewanted=all

Posted by: idealist61 | March 19, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Surfdumb -- Yeah, the citizens of every other advanced democracy on earth are so oppressed. How can those Swedes, Danes, Canadians, etc., abide such tyranny -- and yet, by most measures, be so much happier and healthier than we are?

“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”
– John Kenneth Galbraith

Posted by: idealist61 | March 19, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

The CBO "findings" are based on the smoke and mirrors provided by Obama and his comrades to the CBO.

Obama and his comrades are using deception, gimmicks, creative accounting, smoke and mirrors to hide the trillions of dollars their scam will cost us. What they are giving the CBO to consider is only PART of the scam, while the most expensive parts of the scam are hidden under other bills or passed to the states (which we will still have to pay).

"Legislative Reality vs, Political Reality," by Peter Suderman, identifies specific deceptive strategies. One of the strategies entails shifting expensive parts of a bill to completely DIFFERENT pieces of legislation. So the costs found by the CBO will be only PART of the costs.

In the House, Democrats shifted an expensive, unpaid-for "fix" to doctor's Medicare reimbursement rates over to a separate bill. And in the Senate, they backloaded the spending so that its full effects would not be felt in the 10-year window that CBO scores. In the latest Senate bill, 99 percent of the spending would occur in the last six years of the budget window.
http://reason.com/archives/2009/12/10/legislative-reality-vs-politic

Obamacare will dramatically increase taxes, costs and the deficit while rationing and destroying health care, destroying businesses and jobs, and destroying our economy and our freedoms.

As the Obama campaign was funded largely by U.S. enemies like George Soros, it seems Obama and his comrades are trying to repay them by destroying our country!

Posted by: AntonioSosa | March 19, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Sosa is spot on, more and more americans are waking up to the sad realities of progressivism and their hope of changing america into a central command and control socialist welfare state (and a bankrupt one at that. it's not too late to call, email, fax your so called representatives.
"The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it." -- H. L. Mencken "The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants." -- Albert Camus "This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector." – Plato "All just power is derived from the consent of the governed." -- John Locke "The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." -- Patrick Henry "We the People are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts -- not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." -- Abraham Lincoln "In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson
"The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors; they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men." -- Samuel Adams "Experience teaches us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." -- Justice Louis Brandeis

Posted by: surfdumb | March 19, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The CBO report -- based on the deception, gimmicks, creative accounting, smoke and mirrors provided by Obama and his comrades -- adds to the stench generated by the Obamacare scam.

The stench of the lies, manipulation, intimidation, coercion, bribery, corruption, and backroom deals to force us to swallow the Obamacare SCAM -- which would destroy our health care, our economy, our freedoms and our country -- has forever tainted the Democratic Party and demonstrate the degree of corruption, bribery and fraud we can expect from Obama and his comrades as they continue to enslave us through their Marxist schemes.

More and more Americans understand there's no longer a Democratic Party. The Democratic Party has been replaced by the Progressive (Marxist) party, controlled by U.S. enemies like George Soros and bent on destroying America using the tactics of their Marxist mentor Saul Alinsky.

More and more Americans are ready to do whatever necessary to defend themselves from the Obamacare SCAM.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | March 19, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

The CBO report -- based on the deception, gimmicks, creative accounting, smoke and mirrors provided by Obama and his comrades -- adds to the stench generated by the Obamacare scam.

The stench of the lies, manipulation, intimidation, coercion, bribery, corruption, and backroom deals to force us to swallow the Obamacare SCAM -- which would destroy our health care, our economy, our freedoms and our country -- has forever tainted the Democratic Party and demonstrate the degree of corruption, bribery and fraud we can expect from Obama and his comrades as they continue to enslave us through their Marxist schemes.

More and more Americans understand there's no longer a Democratic Party. The Democratic Party has been replaced by the Progressive (Marxist) party, controlled by U.S. enemies like George Soros and bent on destroying America using the tactics of their Marxist mentor Saul Alinsky.

More and more Americans are ready to do whatever necessary to defend themselves from the Obamacare SCAM.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | March 19, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

#1: Health Care would not have skyrocketed if we hadn't decided that every person in the U S had a legal right to public programs.
#2: What makes someone who refuses to better himself think that he is entitled to what those who have labored to achieve have?
#3: This is about the Obama presidency and taking over every aspect of our lives, and not about health care.

AND #4: It hasn't escaped everyone's notice that those who are "all-in" for the health care debacle, do little for themselves and are hoping and wishing for their lives to be made by taking from everyone else.

A placostimus cleans the tank of filth secreted by other fish, but the human placostimus sucks up every dime that he can take from everyone around him. Do we suppose that fish are covered in the health care bill?

Posted by: sperrysphere1957 | March 19, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Exact Same Style weekend event by US Congress sent HelathCare bill to US Senate in LATE 2009. Several Problems then, US Congress was NOT In session that day/NIGHT & photos show Person with Grey hair, heavy set & Mustache, identified in News Release as US Congressional Sgt at Arms, whom Lost Job (fired) about 6 Years ago. Recently, earlier today, picture on internet with Same Heavy set gray haired & Mustached defunct Sgt at ARMS, with group in US Congress Floor area with Hon Pelosi, Seems that specific BAD guard Knows how to enter US Congress when out of session & Pull Spoof Photo session that becomes foundation for HealthCare bill Moving Bill on in Process, complete Fraud, Public Seems NOT smart Enough to UnderStand Mess has fallen into. terrible Crime, Right in Front of US Public Eyes.
Murder Is NOT Health Care & Prsent Bill Is Harvest of People whom bought BAD Package, NOT HealthCare At ALL. Entertainment Murder In isolated Place called hospitol. Inside Foundation of present HealthCare, Is HATE of Citizens of United States of America Lawyers Are that Way with Others. Whole Lie now called health Care Bill Needs Be Thrown Out, Defeated. Congress Is About To Criminalize HealthCare Process Further than every before. Public Being Duped & Repeat of first events in US Congress in Late 2009. US CongressPeople Are NOT Above Law.

Signed:PHYSICIAN THOMAS STEWART von DRASHEK M.D.
GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY 1984 to 1989.

Posted by: thomasxstewart1 | March 17, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ThomasStewart1 | March 19, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion, I believe going for a health care reform is the best thing we can do. I don't personally want to continue putting my money in the health insurance companies' pockets so they will spend it without any limit buying politicians to be in the capitol so they can continue supporting them stealing money from people by over charging us and putting all kinds of conditions in order to receive certain services. They are the monstrous that we need to get rid of once and for all. The people should have power to elect our representatives, not insurance companies.

Posted by: lvasquez1 | March 19, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Peggy Noonan...excuse me,isn't she a Republican past Presidential advisor? "How bush league, how undisciplined, how kid's stuff." She must be talking about herself and her self-serving article.

By the way, what's wrong with us higher income people paying a little more in taxes to help provide a better social safety net and lessen the deficit.

Posted by: gparker1 | March 19, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"A new 3.8 percent tax would be imposed on interest, dividends, capital gains and other investment income for individuals making more than $200,000 a year and couples making more than $250,000. The bill also would increase the Medicare payroll tax by 0.9 percentage point to 2.35 percent on wages above $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for married couples filing jointly."

So a married couple earning $350,000 per year would pay $900 in Medicare payroll tax. If the gobs of money they have invested happens to account for $100,000 of that income, they would pay $3,800 in Medicare payroll tax ($38 per $1,000). If I were rolling about in that sort of money, I would not consider those assessments scary, unfair or unreasonable.

Bush managed to cut capital gains taxes considerably in his continuing campaign to further enhance the life style of the wealthy--and the rest of us got nothing in the way of a trade-off, such as a little improvement on the health-care front.

Posted by: TomCamfield | March 19, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Peggy Noonan...excuse me,isn't she a Republican past Presidential advisor? "How bush league, how undisciplined, how kid's stuff." She must be talking about herself and her self-serving article.

Posted by: gparker1 | March 19, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

This social engineered health care takeover is a pathetic attempt to lay the foundation for socialized medicine. This is creating 116 new government agencies which we all know will be a cesspool of waste and fraud. These liberal politicians have lied, hid behind closed doors, begged, bribed, hid the bills so no one can read this garbage and double talked their way to this vote on Sunday of all days. This is so insulting to cram this down our throats on a holy day of God. These are truly evil men who will stop at nothing to push their radical agenda. Our family find you disgusting. Obama and his cronies are phony and could care less if we fell of the curb as long as their foundation is laid to change our entire way of life. And for you little creeps with no tailbone, we will remember this holy day you caved. You are nothings because you stand for nothing. We will remember who stood for freedom and stood for greed.
If they attempt to pass this bill with a gimmick that will change one sixth of our nations economy from private to public, the citizens will rise up in protest. We will vote these evil men out in November and what we miss, we will get in 2012. May God give us the strength to fight this at the ballot box.

Posted by: greatgran1 | March 19, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"Peggy Noonan,"Excuse me, but it is embarrassing--really, embarrassing to our country--that the president of the United States has again put off a state visit to Australia and Indonesia because he's having trouble passing a piece of domestic legislation he's been promising for a year will be passed next week. What an air of chaos this signals to the world. And to do this to Australia of all countries, a nation that has always had America's back and been America's friend. How bush league, how undisciplined, how kid's stuff." "

Obama decides to stay in D.C. and work on very important legislation, and MZ Noonan is unhappy? Why, because it sets a bad example for Shrub imitators, about staying in D.C. and working? It can't be about keeping the good opinion of our allies, because Shrub regularly gave them the finger whenever his policies aggravated most of the rest of the world. Australia and Indonesia will understand, and be quite happy to welcome the Prez when he comes, in winter in Australia, a much better time than late fall, believe me, and in Indonesia, when the monsoon has turned and the rain is falling on SEA and not on the Indonesian Archipelago.

But Republican Press People are SUCH experts on all things international, and SO believable when they dis the current president.

Credibility being the one great commodity that Nixon and Shrub left office with.

Posted by: ceflynline | March 19, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I understand we are a nation of many, many people with A.D.D., but really how stupid are the democrats that believe Wizbama's special deals, that he will actually honor them after the so-called bill is passed? I would n0t be surprised if he retires all of them and puts in their place his Czars, that is the new government, as I believe he will get rid of the congress and the senate, entirely!

Posted by: boski66 | March 19, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

It is mazing that these people have no clue as to what they are doing. They will destroy health care for over 250,000,000 people just so that they can reward their special interests.
With every bill they pass they are driving more and more business out of the country. They have caved into the unions by exempting them from provisions that will apply to others. They are causing the cost of doing business up so that companies will not be hiring marginal employees.
This is bad legislation being foisted upon the country by a small majority of people who have not idea of how to represent the people who voted them into office.

Posted by: jwagenmann | March 19, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Health care reform? FIRST, DO NO HARM.

SECRET HOMELAND-LED PROGRAM SILENTLY ASSAULTS, TORTURES, IMPAIRS, 'SLOW KILLS' AMERICANS WITH NATIONWIDE CELL TOWER MICROWAVE/LASER 'DIRECTED ENERGY' WEAPON SYSTEM: VETERAN JOURNALIST

• Secret Bush-Cheney legacy multi-agency federal-local program uses cell tower/GPS satellite microwave/laser electromagnetic precision "directed energy" RF radiation attack system to silently attack, torture, impair, subjugate "targeted" citizens -- and oversees local police-protected "community watch" vigilante harassment, vandalism, and financial sabotage campaigns.

• Electromagnetic and social neutralization, elimination of "dissidents," undesirables. === POLITICAL LEADERS MAY BE TARGETS. ===

• Why so many cell towers saturate the American landscape -- urban and rural.

• Weapon system patents reveal silent, powerful attack system in YOUR backyard.

• American human rights atrocities, ideological purge, under the cover of national security.

See: poynter.org/subject.asp?id=2 (click "More Reporting, Writing")

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves

BUCKS COUNTY, PA- BASED MAGLOCLEN FUSION CENTER: "Central command for a Mid-Atlantic States American Gestapo."

Where Is the D.O.J./Civil Rights Division Investigation of Gov't-Backed VIGILANTE DOMESTIC TERRORISM?

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "U.S. SILENTLY TORTURES..." and "GESTAPO USA" ("stories" list).

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 19, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

It's a close game, but the outmanned and out gunned Republicans intend to try for the final shot.

Unfortunately the final shot they intend to take is just one more shot through the foot, or some other more or less important body part.

They are all for running on repeal of the bill that hasn't actually passed yet, AND intend to block any action on the other half of the bill, the one intended to correct a few of the clauses that the REPUBLICANS really want removed.

They show themselves to be a bunch of crotchety old white guys, out of touch with the real world and utterly disgusted with the fact that they aren't in charge anymore. Since that is exactly what they intend to use as their platform this November, and again in 2012, with nothing in their literature to suggest that they have adjusted their attitudes to a world that changes daily, they may founder on last year's winning sound bite, "Change we can believe in"

And that is just fine by me.

Posted by: ceflynline | March 19, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

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