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A sweeping victory for Obama, Pelosi

By Ben Pershing
After months of incremental progress and setbacks, wild momentum swings and then a final frenzy of vote-counting, the news on Monday (is it really Monday?) is about historic accomplishments -- the transformation of a health-care system, the success of a first-term president on his signature issue and the triumph of the first female Speaker's old-fashioned arm-twisting.

"A transformative health care bill is headed to President Barack Obama for his signature as Congress takes the final steps in Democrats' improbable and history-making push for near-universal medical coverage," the Associated Press ledes. The New York Times says "House Democrats approved a far-reaching overhaul of the nation's health system on Sunday, voting over unanimous Republican opposition to provide medical coverage to tens of millions of uninsured Americans after an epic political battle that could define the differences between the parties for years." The Los Angeles Times reports that "[t]he bill, which passed 219 to 212 without a single Republican vote, would make a nearly $1-trillion commitment in taxpayer money over the next decade to help an estimated 32 million uninsured Americans get health coverage. And it would establish a broad new framework of government regulation to prevent insurance companies from denying coverage and, advocates hope, to begin making healthcare more affordable to most Americans."

Who's the big winner? John Dickerson says "President Obama has just completed the most arduous act of community organizing of his career. Two hundred and nineteen of his neighbors down the street joined together in the House of Representatives to pass historic health care legislation. Speaker Nancy Pelosi made it happen, but Obama worked harder and more intensely than he has on any other issue of his presidency. He made 92 direct pitches to Democratic members of the House, according to a White House tally. Last week he gave three speeches, culminating in an appeal to fellow Democrats more personal and philosophical than any he's given since taking office." The New York Times suggests the result "assures that whatever the ultimate cost, President Obama will go down in history as one of the handful of presidents who found a way to reshape the nation's social welfare system. After the bitterest of debates, Mr. Obama proved that he was willing to fight for something that moved him to his core. Skeptics had begun to wonder. But he showed that when he was finally committed to throwing all his political capital onto the table, he could win, if by the narrowest of margins."

Poilitico says "the win was a split decision for Democrats, not a knockout. The victory, almost inconceivable a month ago, provides an immense and immediate boost for Obama. ... But House Democrats, who have endured months of draining debate and attacks from tea party activists, including a derisive serenade from a group of protesters on a patch of grass outside the chamber Sunday, were more relieved than overjoyed -and many may have been casting votes, on a warm spring night, for their own political extinction." The Hill judges that "Nancy Pelosi showed Sunday why she is one of the most powerful Speakers in history. In shepherding one of the most controversial bills through the House, Pelosi achieved what some thought what was impossible after Scott Brown's victory in Massachusetts two months ago." Howard Fineman makes Obama, Pelosi, Rahm Emanuel and drug companies the winners, among others, while the insurance industry, Blue Dogs and Republicans are included in the losers.

The president gets a good deal of credit for the late lobbying campaign. Citing Dennis Kucinich as perhaps his most impressive convert, Roll Call says: "He may not always get his way, but more often than not, President Barack Obama seems to have the Midas touch when it comes to persuading Members of Congress to get on board with his agenda." The Washington Post says "Obama conveyed to the wavering House Democrats who visited the White House in recent days that he had put his presidency at risk by pushing the House to act on the Senate bill. Although many House Democrats found the Senate legislation lacking, passing it was the only option after Republican Scott Brown won a Massachusetts special Senate election in January and cost Democrats their filibuster-proof majority in that chamber." The Wall Street Journal writes: "It's easy to forget that Democrats have substantial majorities in the House and Senate, and control the White House, given how the party has struggled during its yearlong march to pass the overhaul. Democrats spent months fighting over the measure's contents, and blamed the president for not settling their disputes. But in recent days, that same control of the executive and legislative branches formed the backbone of the party's efforts. In addition to the pledge on immigration, the White House tapped officials from its transportation secretary to its top agricultural official. And after staying quiet during the bill's past disputes on abortion, White House officials over the weekend drafted an executive order reinforcing a federal funding ban, securing vital votes."

The victory was clinched when antiabortion Democrats led by Bart Stupak struck a deal with the White House on an executive order. Newsweek says "Bart Stupak arguably saved health care reform, agreeing to sign on to the bill and defending his decision on the House floor, in the face of jeers from Republican opponents and a heckler who seemed to have called him 'baby-killer.' In saving health care reform, Stupak looks to have put his House seat in serious jeopardy. The Family Research Council, a strong anti-abortion rights group, came out moments ago with the news that they're gunning for his seat." Huffington Post reports "A Republican member of Congress apparently called [Stupak] a 'baby killer' near the end of the day-long House debate on health care Sunday night," after Stupak rose to speak against the GOP's unsuccessful motion to recommit on abortion. Politico writes that "[r]eporters in the House chamber said the 'baby killer' shout seemed to come from a group of lawmakers that included Rep. John Campbell (R-Calif.), but he said it wasn't him. 'I don't think it's appropriate at all,' Campbell told POLITICO. Campbell said the voice came from the floor - from someone who was behind him and to the left. 'Some people know who it is but won't say,' he added."

On a practical level, USA Today writes: "Nearly lost in Sunday's focus on protests, process and politics was the stunning array of new federal policies included in the legislation. ... The package of changes would provide coverage to 32 million people through Medicaid, subsidies to families and tax credits to small businesses that can't afford to cover their workers. It would pay for the expansion with the Medicare cuts, new taxes on upper-income workers and expensive insurance plans, and fees on the manufacturers of prescription drugs and medical devices. It also would prohibit insurers from denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions, dropping people when they get sick and limiting lifetime benefits. Children could be covered on their parents' policies up to age 26, and seniors would receive improved coverage for Medicare prescription drugs. Most individuals would be required to have insurance, and businesses with 50 or more employees would have to provide it or pay a fee." Bloomberg notes "Drugmakers and health insurers will gain millions of customers under legislation overhauling the U.S. medical system. The industry also will pay new fees to the government, and face stricter rules that may narrow profit margins and fuel mergers. ... The revamp will cost $940 billion over 10 years, with industry fees and taxes helping defray the cost of adding to the ranks of customers who can afford to pay their doctors, drugstores and hospitals. Because the legislation creates pressure to curb medical costs, companies may merge as a way to lower expenses."

Next up -- the Senate. The Washington Post reports: "The year-long battle over reshaping more than one-sixth of the U.S. economy will now move across the Capitol. The House's approval of the Senate's version of health-care legislation, which President Obama expects to sign into law swiftly, also will send to the Senate a 153-page package of amendments to that legislation. There, Democrats will implement an obscure, but commonly used, reconciliation rule to try to pass the revisions based on a simple majority and avoid a Republican filibuster." Roll Call says "the path forward remains uncertain as Republicans comb the reconciliation package for weaknesses and Democrats hunker down in an attempt to preserve the integrity of the bill. ... A Democratic leadership aide said that much of the Conference's final battle plan will depend on the outcome of discussions with the Senate Parliamentarian, who will be the lead arbiter of procedural challenges to the reconciliation bill. Senate Democratic leaders remain unclear as to how some of those procedural issues will be addressed, and the fight over those arcane rules began this weekend."

David Frum doesn't mince words: "Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s. It's hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster. Conservatives may cheer themselves that they'll compensate for today's expected vote with a big win in the November 2010 elections. But: (1) It's a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about November - by then the economy will have improved and the immediate goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs. (2) So what? Legislative majorities come and go. This healthcare bill is forever. A win in November is very poor compensation for this debacle now." On that note, Matthew Yglesias looks at GOP suggestions that this will damage Democrats electorally, the way Lyndon Johnson's agenda did more than four decades ago: "It's true that Lyndon Johnson's Great Society -- Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, Medicare, Medicaid, Title I federal education spending, and a suite of other anti-poverty programs -- played a role in the unraveling of the New Deal coalition. At the same time, the Civil Rights Act has not been repealed. Nor has Medicare. Nor has Medicaid. Nor has the Voting Rights Act. Federal aid to education for the poor is more firmly entrenched than ever in the landscape. Some of the other Johnson-era anti-poverty programs have been repealed or substantially scaled back. But we're overwhelmingly living in Lyndon Johnson's America."

Similarly, Paul Krugman writes: "I want you to consider the contrast: on one side, the closing argument was an appeal to our better angels, urging politicians to do what is right, even if it hurts their careers; on the other side, callous cynicism. Think about what it means to condemn health reform by comparing it to the Civil Rights Act. Who in modern America would say that L.B.J. did the wrong thing by pushing for racial equality?" Gerald Seib cautions that there's "one big difference: The Great Society programs were enacted in an era when Americans still tended to trust the government to get things done. By contrast, a principal reason the health bill was so hard to get to this point, and the reason it's such a political risk, is that this landmark legislation proposes expanding the government's role in the giant health economy at a time when Americans are far less likely to trust the government to do things right." E.J. Dionne says, "The passage of health-care reform provided the first piece of incontestable evidence that Washington has changed. Congress is, indeed, capable of carrying through fundamental social reform. No longer will the United States be the outlier among wealthy nations in leaving so many of its citizens without basic health coverage. In approving the most sweeping piece of social legislation since the mid-1960s, Democrats proved that they can govern, even under challenging circumstances and in the face of significant internal divisions."

By Ben Pershing  |  March 22, 2010; 8:17 AM ET
Categories:  Health Care , The Rundown  
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A victory? Not for America, when the will of the governed is ignored by the government, and the governed is dictated to, what shall we call the dictators?........OH!.... Never mind.

Posted by: vetterick50 | March 23, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi, a poor speaker, is a superb Speaker.

Posted by: donnolo | March 22, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Donderro said: "This war is not over yet! States are already lining up to challenge the constitutionality of this law, and if it goes all the way to the Supreme Court, the justices, still smarting from Obama’s rebuke in the State of the Union, are going to even the score."

"Tell me how I’m wrong."

Donderro, you're wrong because the people on the Supreme Court are not freaking retards who are going to overturn something because they've been personally offended. I don't agree with some of their more conservative positions these days, but I do believe that they're mostly acting in good faith.

What an absolutely disgusting thing to suggest that Supreme Court justices are as petty as this.

Anyway... I wouldn't hold your breath on the bill being ruled unconstitutional... at least not the whole thing.

Posted by: member5 | March 22, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse


You think that the SC is going to overturn this because Obama hurt their feelings over a decision that 85% of Americans oppose? If they are that petty, spiteful and contemptuous of our political process, then the deserve to be impeached for usurping powers not given to them.

As for the health care bill, on what grounds can they find it unconstitutional? It's little different than Medicare and Social Security, and those have stood for 40 years as extremely popular programs. Does the Constitution limit the phrase "provide for the general welfare" to those over 65?

Any Ken Cuccinelli fans who think this is going away via the SC or Republicans repealing need to turn off Rush Limbaugh and read a poli sci text book.
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"This war is not over yet! States are already lining up to challenge the constitutionality of this law, and if it goes all the way to the Supreme Court, the justices, still smarting from Obama’s rebuke in the State of the Union, are going to even the score.

Tell me how I’m wrong."

Posted by: Donderro

Posted by: AxelDC | March 22, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

mfslavin, are you KIDDING me???

"i never understood this. who exactly are the people without insurance? i have a job and i have insurance. when i was seventeen i worked at mcdonald's and had insurance. who are these adults unable to procure insurance? you could work the 4:30 am to 8:30 am shift at ups and get insurance. who exactly are these people who are so incabable of helping themselves that the president makes healthcare his focus instead of killing the fed? (which is responsible for a 96% devaluation of the dollar since it's insidious inception...) who? the lazy? the unemployed? welfare recipients? who?"

This explains why you are a republican! You literally can NOT imagine that anyone has a difference life experience than you do. Absolutely incredible.

There are MILLIONS of poor people who work full-time jobs that do not provide health insurance. I don't know how long ago you worked at a McDonalds, but I can sure tell you that nobody there today but managers has *real* health insurance.

There are MILLIONS more people who have decent-paying jobs that do not provide health insurance, OR if their employer does provide the insurance, it's literally over $1,000/month to add a spouse and kids to their employer's health insurance plan. That's more than people in many parts of the country pay for rent or a mortgage.

*SOME* of those people can cover their dependents more cheaply on the side through individual policies. But guess what, if any of those dependents have a past or current illness, no insurance company will give them a policy and their ONLY option is that expensive employer plan. Also, these individual polices do NOT cover pregnancy/maternity expenses.

You know how I know this? Because I am a HEALTH INSURANCE BROKER and I see this every single day.

It makes me SICK to hear people like you who can not realize that others have a very different experiences in life. Not everybody in this world has the same advantages as the rest of us. Not everybody in this world who is poor is there because it's "their fault." Sometimes bad stuff just happens to good people.

Posted by: member5 | March 22, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

"if it goes all the way to the Supreme Court, the justices, still smarting from Obama’s rebuke in the State of the Union, are going to even the score."

Murse Rached, report to the WaPo comment room stat! Nurse Rached, WaPo comment room stat!

Posted by: laboo | March 22, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Ben, I must be missing something in all this euphoria.

This war is not over yet! States are already lining up to challenge the constitutionality of this law, and if it goes all the way to the Supreme Court, the justices, still smarting from Obama’s rebuke in the State of the Union, are going to even the score.

Tell me how I’m wrong.

Posted by: Donderro | March 22, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

i never understood this. who exactly are the people without insurance? i have a job and i have insurance. when i was seventeen i worked at mcdonald's and had insurance. who are these adults unable to procure insurance? you could work the 4:30 am to 8:30 am shift at ups and get insurance. who exactly are these people who are so incabable of helping themselves that the president makes healthcare his focus instead of killing the fed? (which is responsible for a 96% devaluation of the dollar since it's insidious inception...) who? the lazy? the unemployed? welfare recipients? who?

Posted by: mfslavin | March 22, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

The U.S. Congress has taken their votes.........

......NOW the U.S. Citizens/Taxpayers/Voters WILL take their own VOTE !!!

The Three Stooges, aka Barry, Harry and San Fran Nan can count on it !!!


BTW: I said it before the Vote and I will repeat it after the Vote yesterday..............

Two words for Barry the Man Child, Prince Harry and Botox SanFranNan................."YOU LIE!!!"

BTW II: The Three Stooges, aka Barry the Man Child, Prince Harry and Botox SanFranNan would like the fetus to know, as it's thrown in the dumpster, that it's just a piece of goo and slime and never should have been given a chance to live!!! Too bad that the Three Stooges Mothers were not ProChoice !!!

Posted by: thgirbla | March 22, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

A "victory" today will be considered a defeat tomorrow!
This victory can be compared to the "Victory" won by Japan on December 7, 1941 and 9/11 by the terrorists in NYC...
The "war" is just starting!!!
It will end in November 2010 when the majority of the electorate have their way!
That is the decision to wait for...

Posted by: SeniorVet | March 22, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The list of dubious sources selected for this column demonstrates how far media have drifted from America’s mainstream:

E.J. Dionne – Whitehouse shoeshine boy.

Paul Krugman – A feeble and nostalgic flower child posing as a credible economist.

Huffington Post – Hell hath no insanity like a Greek bimbo scorned.

Roll Call – The only places where Dennis Kucinich’s opinions matter have padding on the walls.

New York Times – The bill does not provide coverage, it COMPELS tens of millions to purchase mandated policies. The naïve hope and change bobbleheads who were expecting a big government handout are in for a rude awakening.

Howard Fineman – Actually Howard, the losers will be the 80% of Americans who are happy with their present coverage. Once voters realize that CBO estimates were a product of garbage in – garbage out accounting gimmicks, and that the cost of low government reimbursement rates will be passed on to their group plans, Mr. Obama’s sycophants in congress will be looking for work.

Posted by: dcn1 | March 22, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Man, there are some nuts in this country. God bless all of you. I'm outta here. You people are lost souls with no thought pattern of your own.

Posted by: Americannnnn | March 22, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama! If there is but one person in this country who knows you for who you really are I guess it's me.Until you are able to silence me your secret will not be silenced.For all of the people in this great country that preach religious convictions,I say this to you.You speak for others to hear how religious you are but in fact are blind.If you had but one ounce of belief in our Lord you would see what I see in this heretic you call your president.If you so called religious freaks would read into the Bible, you would know what I'm attempting to come across to you.In the scriptures it is said that the Lord will allow three anti-Christ to walk with us.We've already had two,Napoleon and Hitler.The third one will be borned in the western hemisphere.The United States is of the western hemisphere.He will blend in like no other anti-Christ with a large following.He will choose the right time as well as the right color to reign his will on the unsuspecting.Whomever should object to an attack on this heretic would be tagged a racist.Must give credit where credit is due,smart move Obama.Just for the record though, I'm not a racist and had thoughts of voting for him as well.Unlike the greater mass seeing only the color, I saw something else that was terribly frightning.My eyes have been opened wide, looking through ones color of skin and into the soul of this president.There was no soul to be seen.Well Mr Obama looks like you've won a entourage of souls to follow you through the gates of Hell.Maybe it's not to late though for those who seriously needed to believe in something.All you need to do is take off the blinders Obama put on you. You know what blinders I mean the promises,the sweet talking,assurances that sad to say will hurt us all and lock us in a deadly downward spiral.He would have you bow to him for relief of the pain he has inflicted on you and you in turn will be greatful.You will then be truely a lost soul.My last plea to you is read the Bible and find for yourself the absolute TRUTH.

Posted by: dollar_bil2 | March 22, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

The Senate Healthcare bill that passed yesterday was moderate, and necessary.
It is almost unbelievable that the outcome of such political acrimony would be a bill that is so balanced.

Our current level of health care spending is unsustainable. The Senate bill brings us a bit closer to the Swiss health care model (the system with the lowest percentage of tax-funding after our own. Data shown below)

The bill that was approved will allow us to slow the growth of healthcare costs, while improving outcomes.

There are still major ssues that need to be fleshed out. Chief among these is the need to weed out excessive administrative costs (mostly on the private-insurance side of the ledger) that chew more than one third of our health care dollars and provide no benefit to patients.
The second issue (related to better data tracking) is increasing auditing and enforcement to combat fraud.
Medical malpractice costs are another large area of waste. It would be useful if the Republican party would focus its near-term efforts on securing some measure of medical tort reform.

Total annual healthcare costs per capita (total population)
United States $7,290
Switzerland $4,417

Total public (tax funded) annual healthcare costs per capita (total population)
United States $3,307 (45% of total)
Switzerland $2,618 (59% of total)

Total Health Care spending as a percentage of GDP
United States 16%
Switzerland 11%

Posted by: fentonriley | March 22, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

wait until the midterm elections to see if it is a big win for Obama and Pelosi!!!!!These tax and spend folks are going to get a rude awakening.

Posted by: tonyjm | March 22, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

The package of changes would provide ... tax credits to small businesses that can't afford to cover their workers. So, I would assume that the next thing that's left to figure out is how to portray a school district as a small business. It's just a thought.

Posted by: jralger | March 22, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Republicans in the House and Senate thank you for standing strong with Conservatives.You have made great strides to turn America around to the direction the Founding Fathers wanted America to go to survive.However our work has just begun.We have a long way to go.Remember this Conservatives are going to Conserve The Declaration Of Independence,The Constitution,Capitalism,and the American way.We have inherited from the Founding Fathers their Courage,Tenacity,and Patriotism to do with.That is all that we need.Together we will turn back this assault on America basic Foundation.United We Stand Divided We Fall *Let Freedom Ring* !

Posted by: Imarkex | March 22, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Well, I cannot believe it. The democrat led congress FINALLY had the moral courage to pass a bill, a bill they were elected to pass. That is right, elected to pass. The majority of Americans want the things that are in the bill but they have allowed themselves, as usual, to be swayed by the constant negative talking of one party, one group. Who would not want 35% tax break for small businesses that goes up to 50%. Who would not want to eliminate denial of insurance due to pre-existing conditions. The republicans and their supporters claim they want a smaller deficit, this bill helps towards that. And finally, who would not want coverage for most Americans, at least those who have compassion for their fellow human.

Posted by: ajackson3 | March 22, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

nice, you guys! A victory that made history, but for the future!

Posted by: dudh | March 22, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Yes the TRAITOR Barry Soetoro Alias Barrak Hussain Obama and the TRAITOR Nancy Pelosi Alias The Hag Alias The Plastic Granny won their day in court.

Posted by: Imarkex | March 22, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

This is a country that became fractured because decent people agreed it was wrong to enslave human beings. Almost half of the country felt nothing was wrong with slavery. In fact, these same people lynched people, waterhosed them and set dogs upon them. In this same country, why is anyone surprized that there are people who want their fellow human beings die from lack of health care? As I listened to the health care debate, all I hear the Republicans griped about was the COST of health reform. What price is a human life? I was also wondering why no one asked that question as well how many Republicans have refused the free or subsidized healthcare they (as members of Congress)and their families receive at the expense of American tax payers? Is it that they are superior to the rest of us, or is it that they are a bunch of hyprocrites? What do YOU think?

Posted by: fdwyer | March 22, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"A Sweeping Victory?" Are you high? This Rube Goldberg "health care" reform barely limped across the finish line, despite overwhelming democrat advantage. It had bipartisan opposition and is opposed by the majority of the country.

The only thing you can call it is a sweeping victory of arrogance, bribery, and extortion over common sense. This may prove to be a Pyrrhic Victory.

Posted by: mandog | March 22, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

"A Sweeping Victory?" Are you high? This Rube Goldberg "health care" reform barely limped across the finish line, despite overwhelming democrat advantage. It had bipartisan opposition and is opposed by the majority of the country.

The only thing you can call it is a sweeping victory of arrogance, bribery, and extortion over common sense. This may prove to be a Pyrrhic Victory.

Posted by: mandog | March 22, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I find the clause on page 897 to be quite troubling. It is a little excessive to start preventive prostate screening at age 18. In discussions Barney Frank was pushing to move it back further. This Obamacare plan is getting ridiculous. I have heard of preventative care, but let me be clear, the Dems have gone too far here!

Posted by: jarodg79 | March 22, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

This vote was a suicide pact for the modern Democratic Party.
Posted by: NutmegConservative | March 22, 2010 10:27 AM |
Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 12:30 PM |
Move to another country & quit your whining b1tch.
apparently you didn't do well enough in school & have to worry about this.

I did & could care less if a few extra pennies leave my pockets to help others less fortunate.
Of course you could be that soon cause of your lack of .edu.
Oh well I hope to God you die of acquired immune deficiency so you can don't have to beg for some help.

It all starts with #1 = you - fool.
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Damn RoccOO, so if you are a democrat and nutmegconservative is a republican and someone does not agree with all the crap that has been forced down our throats all these years they should die of AIDS? From which ever crap party decides what is good for us...and you are a liberal democrat? I am assuming (which you do know makes an ass out of you and me both) you are liberal and for a liberal to be compelled to say something as foolish as you have shows that there is fundamentally a lot of things wrong with this two party system. Actually you are a fool as well because you have bought into it Hook in Mouth!
As far as education goes anyone can go to school earn a degree but to use the knowledge for something better that forwards themselves and those around themselves is another whole story. So again your ranting which is just as bad as the other side of the coin just goes to show that education has nothing to do with voting along party lines.
Anarchy…the only way!

Posted by: elesteban | March 22, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Pershing,
All due respect but sweeping victory? I think you dreaming. This bill got Scott Brown elected. America is steaming pissed at this bill. The only "sweeping" thing is these two clowns out of office soon.

Posted by: hz9604 | March 22, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

A great victory for Obama ? Yes and No. Yes
for the simple reason that the bill was approved. No because only time will tell if
this bill proves to be good for the American
people. By the way the Republicans asked for a roll call. The speaker refused. How stupid
because people know very well who voted for or against. Let us hope that Obama will now
tackle unemployment and its "ally "... Israel
before the U.S suffers another 9/11.

Posted by: jeanpierregamet | March 22, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I think the post as usual has taken a partisan leftist spin; if the Dems don't lose majority in both houses this year; I promise to never post at WAPO again!

Posted by: freddyfneder

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I guess you'll be joining Zouk as a liar when things don't go your way in Nov. Or Limbaugh who promised to haul his fat butt out of the U.S. of A if the bill passed. He promised to go to a country with Universal Health Care and a progressive tax system. Oops!!!

I'll help pay for his ticket out of here even though he makes millions more than I do. It's be another positive to the bill passing for all of America!

Posted by: theobserver4 | March 22, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

WATERLOO????


Where's that? It ain't in DC!!!

Posted by: theobserver4 | March 22, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

The answer will come in November, and yes, I doubt it will be as strong as it should be.

Since this is just one issue, it is only one small part of the problem that lies in Washington. Hopefully Middle Class Americans will vote in numbers, and vote to send ALL the incumbents home so that we can start all over in the House, with everyone's representative having equal power, and change the complexion of the Senate enough to get the other two thirds of the Senate to hear the message -we want change, real change for the people, not Obama change.

As to insurance premiums, everyone who currently has health insurance is going to be impacted in the next two years. Premiums are going to go up. I don't have a Cadillac plan, but my plan is supposedly worth about 7,000+ dollars, with a 12% hike coming in January. That means that I am getting close to the quote "Cadillac plans". Even a modest hike the following year is going to put it over the limit. I'm working Middle Class, not wealthy by any means, and the coverage I have is adequate, but definitely not Cadillac luxurious. This is the first way that this plan hits the Middle Class. They are going to pay for it.....President Obama said no taxes on the Middle Class, and who is going to pay for all these taxes? In my black and white world, where truth is an absolute, it looks like that no new taxes is a lie. Not only that, premiums are going to continue to rise, because the drug companies, AMA, and hospital associations are going to continue to increase costs. Soon all health plans are going to be Cadillac Plans, and the Middle Class is going to pay the total cost of this. Yes, it will decrease budget deficits, but at whose expense? The most productive people in the economy, the Middle Class.

As to Mr. Stupak: Is he really that ignorant as to believe an executive order is going to trump statutory law. The day it does, then we will clearly no longer live in a Constitutional democracy. When an executive order trumps statutory law, we have moved into a clear dictatorship. It does not take a very intelligent person to reason that one out. Whatever his reasoning, I hope he pays the untimate price, which for him is to be voted out of office.

As to Madam Pelosi: As long as there are Congressional Campaign Funds allowed, those in power will be able to blackmail their members to vote their way. These are as bad as the Supreme Court decision that allowed unlimited corporate spending. Both lead us toward bad laws and dictatorship, which is becoming daily a more realistic outcome of the recent actions of government.

As soon as the Senate bill is signed, it becomes law, and if nothing is done with the reconciliation amendments, then it will stay law, and Mr. Stupak, you will see abortions, and everything else funded that is not part of basic healthcare.

Posted by: Tawodi | March 22, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

This vote was a suicide pact for the modern Democratic Party.
Posted by: NutmegConservative | March 22, 2010 10:27 AM |

Move to another country & quit your whining b1tch.
apparently you didn't do well enough in school & have to worry about this.

I did & could care less if a few extra pennies leave my pockets to help others less fortunate.
Of course you could be that soon cause of your lack of .edu.
Oh well I hope to God you die of acquired immune deficiency so you can don't have to beg for some help.

It all starts with #1 = you - fool.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Holy %*(#*!! Obama just went and gave us all a health plan, at a cost he says will pay for itself, yet might be as expensive as 5 years of another ill-begotten war -- just like another democrat, George Bush, saddled with us. We need to get these democrats out now. If Sarah Palin were president, it would be smooth salin. Hey, I sort of like that -- "smooth salin with Palin."

Posted by: johnnormansp | March 22, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"Blah, blah...good luck selling that story beyond the looney tea baggin' fringe. You sound more like you are trying to convince yourself."

Your typical mindless left wing looney rant. The "tea baggin" reference above is merely a projection by the its author of the dark world from which he comes.

Posted by: NutmegConservative | March 22, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"Blah, blah...good luck selling that story beyond the looney tea baggin' fringe. You sound more like you are trying to convince yourself."

Your typical mindless left wing looney rant. The "tea baggin" reference above is merely a projection by the its author of the world from he comes.

Posted by: NutmegConservative | March 22, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

You know, the old adage still sticks: do better in school, get a great job to pay for whatever comes up.
That's how ppl are not impacted by this.

Be ahead of the curve not looking at it.
& if you didn't do that, shame on you.
Don't blame America & Americans.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

21 MAR 10

A DAY THAT WILL LIVE IN INFAMY,

A VOTE THAT WILL LIVE IN INFAMY,

THE START OF AMERICA'S THIRD REVOLUTION

Posted by: RUKidding0 | March 22, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Hell no, my insurance also went up 30%.


Already?

Posted by: fresno500 | March 22, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Change and Gloat!

Posted by: JAH3 | March 22, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"Victory" yes; the mother of all "pyrrhic victories'.

Democratic Party followers of this madness are fools to think that they can survive this "transformation" of America a-la-Obama with their jobs intact.

This and more is convincingly argued at
http://www.robbingamerica.com

And they add - Obama is wrong to think that the American people will let them get away with this. The people will have more spine than their representatives come November, they conclude.

Posted by: JohnGalt9 | March 22, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

We need to remember that it is not a party vote anymore. Both parties are full of corruption and self preservation. Vote them all out in November and keep it up until they get the message that we are the ones in control and they need to listen to us or they will be unemployed.

Posted by: Americannnnn | March 22, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi was NOT twisting arms, she was negotiating within her party. The proof that she was not twisting arms is the 10% of her own members who continued to vote against the bill.

Pelosi has done a great job with her congressional delegation. The proof of that is how much she is hated by the Republicans.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 22, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

This vote was a suicide pact for the modern Democratic Party.

Posted by: NutmegConservative
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Blah, blah...good luck selling that story beyond the looney tea baggin' fringe. You sound more like you are trying to convince yourself.

Posted by: LABC | March 22, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

So the Howard Fineman report states that the Drug Companies turn out to be a big winner?
Doctors also will be opting out of professional practice. (My own doctor has just informed his patients that he will no longer accept medicare patients). Scare tactics? Hell no, my insurance also went up 30%.
So the senior citizens on a fixed income are the big losers!
OK...we can add some more losers when the November elections come around. Guess who will be the first to go?

Posted by: SeniorVet | March 22, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Left-wing lunatics and mental ouliers like Paul Krugman and E.J. Dionne measure everything against the example of socialist welfare states like France and Sweden (which was dumb enough to give him a Nobel prize), which in another 50 years, will be collapsed social welfare states due to declining birth rates. Indeed, their only hope is the higher birthrates of the growing Muslim population in western Europe, in which case women be walking to the welfare office in their burqas.

Never before in our history has legislation of such wide-reaching consequence been enacted over the overwhelming opposition of the American people and without a hint of bi-partisan support. Why? Because the corrupt Democratic Party is now firmly controlled by the most extreme and ideological elements. The notion of the Blue Dog is dead. That was just a cyncical and calculated Rahm Emmnauel-like attempt to confuse voters in more conservative-leaning district into voting for socialists and progressives. Take Baron Hill (D-IN). He voted for cap and tax, the porkculus and other big-spendiong programs, but still claims to be a fiscal conservative. Dishonesty and its most extreme. Come November, he's going to be making that argument to empty rooms as he figures out what he's going to do in retirement.

This vote was a suicide pact for the modern Democratic Party.

Posted by: NutmegConservative | March 22, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Its amazing .......One side says its right...the other says it wrong and neither one has a clue what is in it...

Posted by: Micholina1 | March 22, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

So just as the bill appeared dead, the dem leadership seized on a 39% premium increase to roll out a new plan featuring price controls to temper future increases.
And now we learn, the morning after the vote, that the price control provision was removed at the last minute.
If true, look for astronomical premium increases as insurers and providers simply pass along to consumers the billions in new taxes and fees.
And look for an even angrier American public as they realize they've been played by the politicians, yet again.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 22, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I think the post as usual has taken a partisan leftist spin; if the Dems don't lose majority in both houses this year; I promise to never post at WAPO again!

Posted by: freddyfneder | March 22, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"d any of these passed without opposition?
- Emancipation Proclamation by Lincoln
- Women's suffrage by Wilson
- Lend/Lease by FDR
- Desegregation of the military by Truman
- Civil Rights Act by Johnson
Who would stand against those today?
Posted by: RainyDayIntern"

Boehner, McConnell, and the republican Party.

Posted by: ceflynline | March 22, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

This was a victory for those without insurance, not a victory for any politician. If the focus had been on the American public from the beginning and not on politics, it wouldn't have been so controversial.

Posted by: DrFish | March 22, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Did any of these passed without opposition?
- Emancipation Proclamation by Lincoln
- Women's suffrage by Wilson
- Lend/Lease by FDR
- Desegregation of the military by Truman
- Civil Rights Act by Johnson

Who would stand against those today?

Posted by: RainyDayIntern | March 22, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

POTUS, Congress Pass Health Care Reform. Now, Stop Bush-Era Homeland-Led Atrocities that Destroy American Lives and Livelihoods...

HOMELAND-RUN 'FUSION CENTERS' SILENTLY ASSAULT, TORTURE, IMPAIR, SUBJUGATE U.S. CITIZENS WITH CELL TOWER MICROWAVE WEAPON SYSTEM, FINANCIAL SABOTAGE, 'COMMUNITY WATCH' VIGILANTE DOMESTIC TERRORISM: VETERAN JOURNALIST

* Thousands of Americans slandered as "dissidents" or undesirables, targeted by Bush legacy program for debilitating, cell tower- based precision-targeted microwave//laser assault, held hostage in their homes to fed-supported vigilante "community policing" stalking units equipped with warrantless GPS devices, who vandalize and terrorize as local police look the other way.

* Electromagnetic radio frequency microwave/laser weapon sytem -- a nationwide installation employing cell towers and satellites -- silently, invisibly induce weakness, exhaustion, mood changes, pain, head and body aches, physical and neurological impairment, strokes, aneurysms, sickness, cancer -- and many victims do not realize what is making them sick.

===== POLITICAL LEADERS MAY BE AMONG TARGETS =====

* Regional Homeland Security- administered "fusion centers" reportedly serve as command centers for covert electromagnetic radiation attacks, pervasive surveillance, financial sabotage of those identified as "dissidents," "trouble-makers" or slandered as threats to society.

* Use of microwave weaponry to torture and impair political opponents recently confirmed by deposed Honduras President Manuel Zelaya.

* Pleas for justice, to local police and FBI, go unanswered -- as do demands for a Department of Justice Civil Rights Division investigation and congressional hearings.

"These are crimes against humanity and the Constitution, being perpetrated under the cover of national security and 'safe streets' by multiple federal and local agencies and commands -- an American genocide hiding in plain sight, enabled by the naivete of those who think 'it can't happen here.'" -- Victor Livingston, former reporter for WTXF-TV Philadelphia, Phila. Bulletin, N.Y. Daily News, St. Petersburg Times; producer/host, MSG Network Sports Business Report; columnist, NowPublic.com/scrivener.

www.poynter.org/subject.asp?id=2 (click, "More Reporting and Writing") OR

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves

BUCKS COUNTY, PA- BASED MAGLOCLEN FUSION CENTER -- "Mid-Atlantic States Ground Zero of a Mid-Atlantic States Fed- and Police-Protected American Gestapo."

Why won't FBI open a D.O.J. / Civil Rights Division investigation? Why is the Obama administration so naive? Or misinformed and "entrained?"

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR NowPublic.com/scrivener (see "stories" list).

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 22, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

I think that the expectations of democrats losing at all because of voting for health care are exaggerated. The Republicans now get to play Barry Goldwater in Florida, telling people to vote for him because it is civilly wrong to get help from the government, by implication telling them that they ought to get out of the way of the Rich, who expect government protection and government largess as a natural result of their being rich people.

The Rabid Right is perfectly capable of electing their more centrist opponents, and seems hell bent on doing so. And there is no reason I can see for trying to stop them from doing so.

Posted by: ceflynline | March 22, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

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