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Sebelius: Bid for GOP support delayed health care

The Associated Press

Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius says health care reform would have been "dead on arrival" if the White House had sent a finished proposal to Congress last year.

The secretary also blames delays in passing the measure on President Barack Obama's having to spend "far too much time talking about what's not in the bill" and trying to counter "wild accusations" by Republicans.

She says it's realistic to expect the administration to keep at it even if the House doesn't act by March 18 -- when Obama leaves on an Asian trip.

Sebelius says "conversations will continue" if necessary to overcome the objections of a key House Democrat, Michigan Rep. Bart Stupak, over abortion funding.

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FOLKS, LET'S GET BACK TO THE BASICS. BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE BILLS TAX FOR TEN (10) YEARS AND PROVIDE SERVICES FOR SIX (6) YEARS. That's how the Dems tricked the CBO into saying that the bills are "deficit neutral" and will not add to our balooning deficits. -------------------------------- Think about buying a car and making payments for 10 years but you cannot drive it for the first four years. Would you buy that car? If not, don't buy the Dems scams.

Posted by: RonKH | March 8, 2010 2:44 AM | Report abuse

So,did Barack Obama's phony baloney Tax Cheater Sec of HHS Kathleen Sebelius EVER
Pay Her Back Taxes by now? Who cares what
an Obama Tax Cheater like say anyhow! She
needs to resign or be removed from office
by Congress as does Obama Tax Cheater Sec
of Treasury Tiny Timmy Geithner. The Obama
Culture of Corruption is a disgrace.

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | March 8, 2010 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Why was it so important to get votes for health care from the party of no?

Posted by: algasema

It's important to some democrats because if (when) healthcare bankrupts this country, they don't want to have to take 100% of the blame.

Republicans KNOW this plan will bankrupt the country....why do you think they're fighting this so hard???? If they wanted democrats to bomb out in November, they'd just let them take the vote, without obstruction. They are listening to the people though, and trying to be the voice of the majority - since the political majority refuses.

Posted by: boosterprez | March 7, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Sebelius is Ms. Abortion.

She has about as much credibility as her incompetent boss Odumbo, and his chief liar Gibbs.

These lowlifes simply cannot tell the American people the truth. The sooner they're gone, the better for the country.

Posted by: LarryG62 | March 7, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Ask the question are you sick of JOBLESSNESS? Do you enjoy sitting at home worrying about children? is any of your children sick draining your family both mentally and physically? If the answer is "YES", then do not read on.

I know you want a JOB, is that your priority? Our health care is second to none as it exists today. Obama cronies want to destroy it with hastily made decision. You can stop it. Americans are the healthiest and we want to keep it that way. A day or two will not make any difference. The millions who have no Insurance still get the equal care, may be many of us are paying a little more, but we do not want to be in the clutches of Governemnt mandated and presribed treatment.Sibelius is wrong, so also Obama. We all elected him for "CHANGE", did we expect AMPUTATION.

I am strongly for reform, but let's get the lawyers out of the way in congress.Can you imagine we have no equal representation. Only a handful ordinary americans are in the congress, while we are busy with our family and JOBS.

Working people are our countries stregth and with no jobs, we are nothing

Posted by: jayrkay | March 7, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Every time a fringer utters Marxist, a newly inspired middle-of-the-roader decides this health care plan sounds pretty good.

Posted by: Keesvan | March 7, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

The United States is the only industrialized nation that does not have a universal health care system. Federal law was changed in 1986 with the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act requiring certain hospitals to provide stabilizing treatment for patients with emergency medical conditions including childbirth without first demanding evidence of ability to pay. According to the Institute of Medicine of the National Academies of Science, this unfunded “safety net” mandate has contributed to increasing strain on the health system. Emergency treatment is not free or subsidized and some patients cannot or will not pay their bills. Furthermore, this system encourages use of the emergency facilities for primary care and not just for emergency purposes.

In lieu of a national program, some states and municipalities have made attempts to approach universality of insurance in their respective jurisdictions. The state of Massachusetts implemented a near-universal health care system by mandating that residents purchase health insurance by July 1, 2007. The City of San Francisco is also undertaking a universal health care system for uninsured residents.

Big Note: Hawaii has, since 1974, required employers to provide employees working more than 20 hours per week with a comprehensive health insurance plan.

Massachusetts: Romney Care, State Wide Health Care Federally Funded Via 350 Million Dollars In Federal Funds to Massachusetts [Medi-Caid] that Scott Brown & Mitt Romney Simply Adore and Hold as the Model For All, Though The Cost are out Of Control and Rising, Without Federal Dollars Massachusetts Residents would be just another State Without Real Universal Health Care

California, Maine and Vermont are also considering or seeking to implement universal or near-universal systems.

In July, 2009, Connecticut passed into law a plan called SustiNet, with the goal of achieving near-universal healthcare coverage by 2014.

Whether a federal system of universal health care should be implemented in the US remains a hotly debated political topic, with Americans divided in their views.

The Congressional Budget Office and related government agencies scored the cost of a universal health care system several times since 1991, and have uniformly predicted cost savings, probably because of the 40% cost savings associated with universal preventative care

Posted by: omaarsblade | March 7, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Glad she's outta state and goin down the tubes with Obama!!!

Posted by: houston123 | March 7, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Democrats! The Republican Party is indeed THE PARTY OF NO! NO MORE OF OUR TAX MONEY FOR OBAMA'S COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST AGENDA! NO! NO! NO! Is that clear enough for you, Hypocrats? NO! NO! We are indeed THE PARTY OF NO!

Posted by: georges2 | March 7, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Why is this woman telling lies on a Sunday morning? When will the Democrats get it through their thick skulls that the Republicans are the ones who told Americans the truth about Obama's so-called healthcare reform? Anyway, why would anyone in his right mind believe one of Obama's talking heads. This woman was a bad governor of Kansas and she a bad Health Secretary. I wouldn't buy anything from this woman! Go back to Kansas, lady!

Posted by: georges2 | March 7, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Here's an interesting article from regarding government run healthcare:

Population-based study of dying in hospital in six European countries.
Cohen J, Bilsen J, Addington-Hall J, Löfmark R, Miccinesi G, Kaasa S, Onwuteaka-Philipsen B, Deliens L.
End-of-Life Care Research Group, Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Brussels, Belgium.
Comment in:
• Palliat Med. 2008 Sep;22(6):685-6.
This study examined the proportion of deaths taking place in hospitals in six European countries in relation to demographic, epidemiologic and healthcare factors. Retrospective analyses were performed on a database integrating death certificate data of all deaths in 2002 in Sweden and 2003 in Belgium, England, Scotland, the Netherlands and Wales (N = 891,780). Data were linked with regional healthcare statistics. Of all deaths, from 33.9% (the Netherlands) to 62.8% (Wales) occurred in hospital. Large country differences in hospital deaths were partly explained by the availability of care home and hospital beds. Differences between countries were strikingly large in older patients and cancer patients. Older patients had a higher probability of dying in hospital in Sweden, Scotland, England and Wales than in Flanders and, in particular, in the Netherlands. Cancer patients often died in hospitals in Sweden but less frequently so in the Netherlands and England. Country differences in the proportion of patients dying in hospital are only partly the result of differences in health care provision, and are in particular larger for certain patient categories, suggesting country-specific end-of-life practices in these categories. These findings can contribute to rational public health policies aimed at reducing hospital deaths.


The population of the United States is several times greater than these six small European countries with government run healthcare. To be conservative, let's say our 300,000,000 populations and illegal immigrants is 3x the population of the countries studied in this report. That mean we can expect 2,673,000 deaths over a two year period due to government run healthcare.

Now, that's the way to reduce the budget deficit. And, you won't need any death panels. Without proper medical care, you're going to die anyways.

Posted by: Dodgers1 | March 7, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Which Bill is being voted on? We keep hearing that the Bill was passed in the Senate with a super majority, and in the House with a majority, so there is no reason not to pass the Bill with a simple majority. But the Senate Bill is different from the House Bill and the Resolution process never occurred.

The President's current Bill will be different from the Senate Bill; therefore evn if the House passes the Senate's Bill, the President's Bill will not have ever been voted on. So which Bill is going to receive the 50% plus one vote, because it passed in the Senate and the House???

Posted by: CalP | March 7, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Which Bill is being voted on? We keep hearing that the Bill was passed in the Senate with a super majority, and in the House with a majority, so there is no reason not to pass the Bill with a simple majority. But the Senate Bill is different from the House Bill and the Resolution process never occurred.

The President's current Bill will be different from the Senate Bill; therefore evn if the House passes the Senate's Bill, the President's Bill will not have ever been voted on. So which Bill is going to receive the 50% plus one vote, because it passed in the Senate and the House???

Posted by: CalP | March 7, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Why was it so important to get votes for health care from the party of no?

Posted by: algasema | March 7, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Kathleen Sebelius - hussein's SECOND TAX CHEAT candidate for HHS secretary - used undocumented, phony deductions to cheat the federal government out of more than $7000 over three years.

She LIED repeatedly to the IRS!!! Do you actually expect she'll tell the truth to the American people?????

Posted by: TeaPartyPatriot | March 7, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Sebelius is an immoral idiot.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | March 7, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I assume Sebelius is a doctor, nurse, at least a masters of public health... right.

Nope, just another rule bending lawyer idiot.

No more lawyers, no more lawyers, no more lawyers.

Posted by: docwhocuts | March 7, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

How about the no-so-wild accusation that of the 30 million Obama plans to cover with OUR TAX DOLLARS - 11 million are walking around today as ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

"Healthcare proposal provides backdoor amnesty for illegal immigrants
By Armstrong Williams - 11/30/09 10:02 AM ET
President Obama's national healthcare bill mandates that employers must provide health coverage to all employees. This proposal would seemingly include coverage for tens of millions of illegal immigrants.

This is an outrage. There are close to 60 million illegal immigrants in this country. Effectively forcing Americans to subsidize cradle-to-grave healthcare costs for these people would cost U.S. taxpayers billions of dollars annually, while further incentivizing illegal immigration.

This is a public policy nightmare. Moreover, it would do so at a time when nearly every American citizen is struggling for his or her economic well-being.

During his campaign run, Obama promised that his healthcare proposal would not benefit illegal aliens. Yet that is precisely what his current proposal would accomplish, by forcing employers to cover illegal citizens who obtained false identifying information.

This is no different than if President Obama levied an illegal alien health tax on the public. This cannot go unnoticed. In these difficult economic times, it is a slap in the face to American citizens to force them to underwrite healthcare for the illegal aliens who are taking their jobs."

Sebelius, what you are doing is in opposition to any federal governmental worker that I have ever seen. You are not to take a policy position - but simply to administer the policy that is in place. Now sit down and shut up.

Posted by: easttxisfreaky | March 7, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

She did not say they did a bad job, she said the procedss was delayed because they tried to do what our goverment is supposed to do - listen to minority opinions, but mostly they were delayed because during the time when the Democrtas and the president were acting like mature adults and working in the public interest they had to spend inordinate amounts of time answering childish and wild myths put out by republicons who are more interested in trying to discredit the President than in doing the work they were elected for.

Posted by: John1263 | March 7, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse


The reason we have medicare, medicaid, social security and welfare is so our Nation's cities don't look like the streets of Calcutta, which is what the republicans would really like to see us become. A class system of the poor and the rich. That's why they've been trying to destroy the middleclass since Reagan and Clinton didn't really make matters any better with NAFTA and then BUSH with CAFTA. The rich benefit when they can take the all middleclass' retirement and then tank the markets and in the process line their own pockets while they've picked the pockets of the rest of us.

Posted by: blarsen1 | March 7, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

So, we have family friends who when expecting their first child found 5 months into the pregnancy that the fetus had not divided its cerebral hemispheres. The chances of the pregnancy ending ina live birth were low, and the danger to the mother immense. So this married couple had to make a bitter and difficult decision about whether to carry the pregnancy to term knowing the chances were high for still birth, potentially fatal complications, and even if the baby was not still born it would not live for more than a few days. They had a late term procedure. You rightards would have had Big Brother government make that decision for that family. You are disgraceful and hypocritical beyond anything and you make me sick.

As a post-note. that same couple later had two children, normal and healthy and ar doing fine. Something that almost certainly would not have happened if the religious zealots had their way and used goverment to make people's personal decisions for them.

Posted by: John1263 | March 7, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Sebelius is too funny.

She's saying Obama and the Dems did a bad job at health care reform because they were too sensitive to the GOP needs?

That's funny stuff.

Here's something funnier though...

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | March 7, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

hit submit by mistake.
As a woman, Sebelius makes me sick!

Posted by: canyon2 | March 7, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Sebelius is a disgrace. She has actively worked for late term abortion and as a Catholic, she should be excumunicated and as an elected offical, she should be booted out.
As a female, she

Posted by: canyon2 | March 7, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse


Like I said, walk the slugger every time they are at bat then tell the fans that he really isnt that good a player because he has no hits. Obstruct progress then complain that no progress has been made with hopes that no one will notice that you are the reason why nothing has been done. Thats your post in a nutshell. The GOP really relies on us being stupid dont they? Whats sad is we are that stupid.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 7, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse


If healthcare reform is equivalent to welfare just because government is trying to reform it does that mean medicaid, medicare and the current system congress depends on for their healthcare is a failed system? And if it is why do congress and soo many seniors use a system that you have declaired by comparason as failed?

Lets put our current political situation in baseball terms. The democrats have a new slugger called up from AAA (Obama) who has had soo much success that he was called up to the big leagues. Problem is the team he is facing, team GOP sees him as such a threat that every time he comes to the plate they intentionally walk him, while at the same time telling the fans, (us) that he really isnt that good of a player because he cant hit. Now what has to happen is the players on team Democrats that hit before and after Obama have to recognize what team GOP is doing and get hits before and after him in order to make team GOP pay for walking him. Team GOP is counting on the hitter after Obama to keep hitting ground balls into double plays. Team GOP is walking Obama because they know they cant afford a hit or home run from him because their team has no hitters that can get runs. They cant afford to allow Obama to hit a two run home run because the GOP will lose 2-0 if he does. Why? Because their best hitters right now are sara palin and no one else. Until they can score runs their best strategy is to walk the slugger for nine innings.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 7, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse


The dems never had 60 votes because of Joe the LiarMan and a handful of bluedogs who weren't democrats in the true sense.

Posted by: blarsen1 | March 7, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

As someone in the medical field, I'm all for this bill. However, I understand the legitimate issues folks have with some parts of the bill. What I cannot stomach is people who think this is some kind of secret sinister plan. The bills are out in the open. And if you can't use google, here they are:
Everything is there. No secrets. If you don't want to read it, don't read it... but don't complain about lack of transparency just because the legislature doesn't write bills in Cliffsnotes form.

Posted by: denial1 | March 7, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

This will be the GOP tactic for every policy agenda by the Obama administration. Misinform to the point of confusion, then hire some third party proxy of the GOP to start a grass roots campaign against that policy lead by good old angry white men who dont want government envolved in whatever that policy addresses. Its can be over, healthcare, jobs, banking reform. The only thing the GOP cant argue Obama on is his policy for addressing the middle east. Its their policy so they would look like complete idiots arguaing against their own policy for political gain. But they have done that as well. The GOP wants power back in the worse way and if it means no progress for 4 years or more they are willing to sacrifice your well being to accomplish their political objective of winning back power. If the GOP really thought Obamas policies would not work they would gladly allow him to put them in place just because they know that they would fail. But the reality is the GOP are more afraid of Obamas polcicies will be successful more than fail thats why they refuse to allow them to be put in place. The GOP cant afford a successful Obama presidency. They want to say come 2012 that he accomplished nothing, even if we all know they were the main reason he didnt. Not failed policy, but policy that was never given a chance to fail or be successful. Not sure how that helps the country to do nothing but it sure helps the GOP politically to do nothing until the election cycle begins. Its the political equivalent of a pitcher walking your best slugger out of fear he will get a hit off of the pitcher, perhaps a home run. So the best way to prevent that is walk him for four years.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 7, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Looking at the history of landmark entitlement plans, three similarities emerge: First, plans like Social Security, Medicare, and Public Welfare were created for the best of intentions.
Second, as these policies were enacted, there were assurances that each would be fiscally sound.
And third, each has gone on to accomplish good things, but ultimately has proven unsustainable and prone to abuse.
Given these similarities, why should we think that the current reform entitlement proposal will be any different?
Surely we can learn the lessons that history teaches us, and come up with a more reasonable and affordable reform plan.
It's not a question of accepting this plan or doing nothing. Nor is it a question of starting over again. It's the expectation of our elected officials working together to get this landmark legislation right.
Anything short of this is unacceptable.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 7, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Pooh, pooh the costs! Hell, the people have enough money in their pockets to pay for their health care, right? NOT !
Hey, but what the heck, why worry about the unemployment problem with so many people out of work and getting deeper in debt?
This president NEEDS to get his health care reform through. That is going to be his legacy! The people just don't know what is best for them!
How do the people who are not working feel about this?
Oh, I forgot, the congress just extended their unemployment benefits!

Posted by: SeniorVet | March 7, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Kathleen Sebelius is a disgraceful embarrassment for everyone in Kansas.

Posted by: Jerzy | March 7, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Well..the Dems controlled the house, and Senate over the past year. They even had 60 votes in the Senate. Yet, they got nothing done. Yep..the dems, the party of No Responsibility.

Posted by: FredKnowsBest | March 7, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I for one do not want this bill as it is written, start from scratch do it legally on C-Span so we the people KNOW what dirty deals are included! For those who want a straight up or down vote...if this is used for health care who is to stop them from using it for more and more and more...then we are in deep dodo. IF this administration gets this bill through as written in the next year you will know what the saying "be careful for what you wish for you just might get it" means! You call them the party of NO most say it is the party of KNOW!!

Posted by: Immanurse | March 7, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

The GOP has done an excellent job of mudding the facts on healthcare to the point that some people who are against it arent really sure why they are but they heard it was this or that. But the glaring hypocracy is that the same republican congressment who are telling you a public option is bad enjoys that public option in their own healthcare and most of the senior people who are against healthcare based on government involvement are using medicaid. That tells you that the GOP has done a great job on distorting the facts of healthcare reform to the point they have successfully spooked americans into being against it, even as they lack proper healthcare themselves. The GOP would be happy to spend the next two years arguing about healthcare. They dont care about helping americans, they care about winning the next elections. Once you vote them in they will laught at us behind our backs for being such gullible suckers and go back to the same policy and agenda they were on before they were voted out of power in 08 which was tax breaks for corporations and enhancing corporate entitlement in the name of trickle down ecconomics. The GOP hasnt changed and wont change so know when you beat down a leader like Obama who wants change that the alternative is the same thing you voted out 4 years ago. Not bashing the GOP just telling the truth.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 7, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

as long as every politician in d.c. is taking money from medical and drug lobbyist the people of the united states will never trust anything that comes out of their mouth,as soon as they stop taking those envelopes full of cash maybe JUST MAYBE they can be trusted again to look out for the benefit of the people of this country.OUTLAW LOBBYING.

Posted by: SISSD1 | March 7, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

as long as every politician in d.c. is taking money from medical and drug lobbyist the people of the united states will never trust anything that comes out of their mouth,as soon as they stop taking those envelopes full of cash maybe JUST MAYBE they can be trusted again to look out for the benefit of the people of this country.OUTLAW LOBBYING.

Posted by: SISSD1 | March 7, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

HHS chief lays blame on GOP ...........

...of course this tax-cheating Democrat is blaming the her close corrupt liberal/progressive pals in our corrupt liberal/progressive MSM wolfpack press..

...Yeah as we speak it's STILL Democrat vs. Democrat........

And that folks continues to be the TRUTH....something our dirty left-wing press and their pals in the Democrat Party can't warm up too.........sad.

Come on November.........

Posted by: allenridge | March 7, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

According to the Congressional Budget office, Obama plans to double the national debt over the next decade. That should send the entire country into poverty and poor health.

Posted by: pkhenry | March 7, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

So Bratty Kathy the abortion doll blames the GOP for listening to the American people...hmmmm that's some high horse your riding there.

How about this...bratty Kathy...the American people see through this ponzi power scheme that is being called health care. And delayed? Even if this was healthy reform.. which it isn't it's 6 years before implementation. Oh except for the taxes, mandates and fees that starts right away.

Right now thinking people are thanking God for the party of NO.

Posted by: Straightline | March 7, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Well..the Dems controlled the house, and Senate over the past year. They even had 60 votes in the Senate. Yet, they got nothing done. Yep..the dems, the party of No Responsibility.

Posted by: FredKnowsBest | March 7, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Damn. Are you saying the Dems had a Super Majority and can't think for themselves and have to turn to the Repubs for advise on the bill.

It "ain't" the Repubs, stupids. If it were, the Dems are one big group of Wusses(which they are), who can't think for themselves.

Fact is the Dems don't like the bill, and don't want to lose because of it.

Posted by: bnw173 | March 7, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

If the republicans aren't going to vote for this bill, why is Obama giving then ANYTHING? Take out the mandates, big pharma and other giveaways, put in a public option and add a big tax increase on CEO bonuses and then everyone would be happy, except for the republicans, but they don't matter because THEY ARE COMMITTED TO VOTING NO!

Posted by: blarsen1 | March 7, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

The Obama Plan
What is Obama trying to do with all this spending? He is trying to cause a collapse. Why would he cause a collapse? A collapse is the only way that you could stage a massive takeover of the united states. He has already built the frame work for this takeover. So what is holding him up. The Health Care bill is a key part in causing this collapse. The amount of money that will be required to fund the Health Care bill is a key player. If the Health Care bill passes; Then other planned bills will complete the collapse process. This is why I have called on every single American to do whatever is in their means to stop this takeover. May GOD walk with you and protect you in your journey to save America. The Anti-Christ is here and his name is Obama.

Posted by: makom | March 7, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse




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