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Randy Neugebauer says he called out 'baby-killer' as Stupak spoke on House floor

Updated 3:35 p.m. 3/22/10
By Paul Kane
Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-Tex.) acknowledged Monday that he yelled out "baby killer" toward Democrats during debate over a Republican abortion amendment in the final minutes of consideration of health-care legislation.

The backbench Republican from west Texas said he has apologized to Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), who was urging the House to vote down the amendment when Neugebauer made his outburst.

Neugebauer said Monday that the debate brought out too much passion in his disagreement with the deal Stupak struck with Obama and congressional leaders over abortion provisions in the legislation.

"In the heat and emotion of the debate, I exclaimed the phrase 'it's a baby killer' in reference to the agreement reached by the Democratic leadership. While I remain heartbroken over the passage of this bill and the tragic consequences it will have for the unborn, I deeply regret that my actions were mistakenly interpreted as a direct reference to Congressman Stupak himself," Neugebauer said in a statement. (Full statement at end of this post.)

The outburst drew immediate shouts of derision from Democrats in the House, but no Republican took ownership for making the comment and Neugebauer's GOP friends declined to identify him Sunday night.

Democratic aides, angered by the silence, linked the "baby killer" shout to some of the heated rhetoric voiced by tea party protesters at the Capitol over the weekend, which included slurs hurled at black and gay Democrats.

Neugebauer is an unlikely lawmaker to find the spotlight. Elected in a special election in the spring of 2003, his highest-ranking position is as ranking Republican on the Agriculture Committee's Livestock, Dairy, and Poultry Subcommittee.

The "baby killer" moment served, in some ways, as a symbolic bookend to the infamous "you lie!" shout to President Obama by another little-known Republican, Rep. Joe Wilson (S.C.), last September before a joint session of Congress.

Obama's address that night kicked off his s personal investment in the legislative push to pass a health-care overhaul, a slow-building effort that culminated with Sunday night's vote.

The full House admonished Wilson for his actions, and he apologized privately to White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel -- although he refused to do so in the well of the House. But the incident made Wilson into a conservative icon for a brief moment, and he raised more than $2 million in campaign contributions over a few short weeks in September.

Some colleagues defended Wilson last fall, noting that his charge was based on a controversial immigration provision in the bill, but there was no such defense from Republicans over this latest outburst.

That Stupak was the target particularly galled Democrats. His anti-abortion views made him a key holdout on the overall legislation, and he -- joined by more than a half-dozen Democrats -- supported the legislation only after reaching a deal with Obama to issue an order reaffirming the ban on federal funding for abortions. The lengthy, and often public, negotiations isolated Stupak within his caucus, but his colleagues never doubted his devout Catholic faith and his personal animus toward abortion.

So, after they had already approved the major piece of health-care legislation on a 219 to 212 vote, Democrats entrusted Stupak with the role of speaking in opposition when the GOP offered its lone amendment to a revisions package -- the Republican amendment being mostly a reiteration of Stupak's own preferred legislative wording to restrict abortions. As he rose to speak, the former state trooper from Michigan's Upper Peninsula received a standing ovation from many of his colleagues.

Stupak rejected the effort as a way to defeat the the entire revisions package, which was later approved and sent to the Senate, but in the middle of his speech, a shout was heard across the chamber: "Baby killer."

Nearly 15 hours later, Neugebauer stepped forward, issuing a statement saying his remark was "inappropriate."

Here is Neugebauer's full statement:

"Last night was the climax of weeks and months of debate on a health care bill that my constituents fear and do not support. In the heat and emotion of the debate, I exclaimed the phrase 'it's a baby killer' in reference to the agreement reached by the Democratic leadership. While I remain heartbroken over the passage of this bill and the tragic consequences it will have for the unborn, I deeply regret that my actions were mistakenly interpreted as a direct reference to Congressman Stupak himself.

"I have apologized to Mr. Stupak and also apologize to my colleagues for the manner in which I expressed my disappointment about the bill. The House Chamber is a place of decorum and respect. The timing and tone of my comment last night was inappropriate."

By Paul Kane  |  March 21, 2010; 11:40 PM ET
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Reply to: MILLER123 (Post Script)


Perhaps some of you are lacking in knowlege concerning the practice of Partial Birth Abortions. If you are unaware of the procedure, you might want to increase your knowlege on the subject. It was sanctioned by our President while he was a Senator and there is nothing which has been offered into public record that I am aware of at present that he has changed his views on this subject.

In fact, he is the only Senator to vote agains the "Child Protection Act" which Act declared that if a child is born alive in a failed abortion procedure, that the abortionist can not kill the baby.

Prior to the "Child Protection Act" this was allowed and was performed many, many times. Perhaps you would classify this as "murder", but those who promote widespread abortion in search of financial gain would disagree with your conclusion.

I ask you, why do we, as a society allow the shedding of the blood of the innocent, and allow murderer's to live on Death Row for 15-17 years, if and when they are convicted?

Reminds me of the story of Christ, when Pontius Pilot asked the mob gathered about his judgement seat, who shall I pardon, Jesus, an innocent man, or Barabas, a convicted killer. The mob cried out Barabas! Give us Barabas! You suffer innocent blood to be shed,over 50 million and counting, while this society suffers a murderer to live! What a shameful indictment against the people of this nation and the nation itself!


Posted by: Jordan48 | March 24, 2010 4:01 AM | Report abuse

Reply to: MILLER123

As I have already clearly stated herein, the Bible does not specifically address the issue of Clinical Abortions. However, it does address the value (in Gods eyes) of the unborn child, as well as punishment for causing injury to a pregnant woman. (Job 31:15, Ps 139:13-16, Ecc 11:5, Isa 44:2, 24; 49:1,5; Jer 1:4; Lk 1:41-45, Ex 21:22-25) Not to mention the punishment for the atrocity of ripping open a pregnant woman (2 Ki 8:12; 15:16; Hos 13:16; Am 1:13-15)

You do err in not knowing the scriptures, but you err moreso because you are not spiritual, but carnal. For if you were born of the Spirit, you would discern the heart of God in this matter.

Why do you, in your blindness and arrogance, condemn the child, who but speaks of that which His Father has taught him. Is it not written that the carnal man discerneth not the things of God, but the Spiritual man discern all things of God, for they are spiritually discerned.

I would that you were more spiritual than carnal, that God might be glorified in you. Was not Saul annointed of God, yet David was raised up by God to take Sauls place? Yet, in his strife, David did not sin against the Lord by seeking the blood of Saul. Go and study what that means. For it is written: "Touch not mine annointed."

Is it not written; "Unless you are born of the water and the Spirit, you shall not enter into the kingdom of God? Tell me, do you remember the moment, the day, the place, where God spoke to you in an audible voice, as a man speaks to his son, and said; "With a mighty right hand have I drawn thee out of bondage! This day have I put all thy sins away." ? Pray tell me further, when did you hear the voice of God declare,..."this day art thou holy and sanctified before the Lord?" Of the Spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit, doest thou speak in the tongues of the angels? Has thou received the gift of prophecy and discernment? Why judge thou me?

If I speak to glorify myself, then do not believe my witness, for I bear witness in vain. But, if I bear witness to the truth, which the Word of God has established by His spirit, I bear witness of HE who has sent me. Search the scriptures, for there you will find God. And if you find God, you will know that He has sent me to bear witness of the truth, in the last days before the evil one is revealed to the world!

Posted by: Jordan48 | March 24, 2010 3:04 AM | Report abuse

If it is true that Joe Wilson raised 2 millios dollar for the party,the sequence is this:
First you insult;then you apologize and lastly the Party cash in.What name will you put to this ability?

Posted by: justdiogo | March 23, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Reply to mfowler1:

Is it better to obey God, or men?

Have you not read that Capital Punishment, as administered by the government of men, which God established for social order, was established by God? Why then do you reproach those who beleive that Capital Punishment is justifiable? Is it not written; "He who sheds mans blood, by man shall his blood be shed." For God ordained that the government of men should not allow a murderer to live. When the blood of the slain cries out from the earth, will God not hear and recompense evil for evil?

This nation has perverted itself in the sight of God! It's people are like fatherless children, who are blindly led about by the "spirit of darkness" and "powers and principalities of darkness" of this world! They enact laws which declare evil good and good evil.

All manner of perversions and revelry is found among you. Adultery, fornication, idolotry, wickedness in high places, perverters of the truth, men buring in the lusts for men, and women for women, which is an abomination in the sight of God, the slaughter of the innocent, and so many more offenses which fulfill the lusts and desires of the flesh. If God spared not the angels who rebelled against Him, and cast them down to hell, how shall this generation of vipers escape the judgement of God?

This society preaches tolerance, but God did not teach you this! Jesus taught "Love thy enemy." But He did not command that you should walk as the wicked. He did not command that we should teach our children to walk in the ways of the wicked. But rather, let these things not be named among you.

Posted by: Jordan48 | March 23, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Reply to: Scared4theWorld

I have never espoused or condoned abortion in any form. As a man I would never grant my wife the right to abort. Ultimately, however, it is the womans decision and it would be on her own head. It would be between her and God.

CLINICAL abortions are not addressed in the Bible! But the value of the unborn is clearly seen in the texts that speak of their value and of judgementson on those who kill them.

THE VALUE OF THE UNBORN: scriptural texts

Job 31:15, Ps 139:13-16, Ecc 11:5, Isa44:2, 24; 49:1,5; Jer 1:4; Lk 1:41-45

PUNISHMENT FOR INJURY TO A PREGNANT MOTHER AND HER UNBORN CHILD: Scriptural text

Ex 21:22-25

PUNISHMENT FOR THE ATROCITY OF RIPPING OPEN PREGNANT PREGNANT WOMEN: Scriptural text

2Ki 8:12; 15:16; Hos 13:16; Am 1:13-15

In reference to your analogy concerning legislating the act of manual ejaculation, while perhaps, in the future, this government can devise a regulatory system wherein they could actually verify when this act is taking place and by whom, they might be able to devise a "per incident" tax on it, but manual ejaculation does not necessarily result in the conception of a baby.

Unwanted pregnancies demands two participants in the act of creationism. (A Male and a female) It is precisely because the female is either coerced into having an abortion, or because it is expedient, that she wilfully submits her body to a clinical abortionist.

In the eyes of man, the guilt and shame remains with the woman. In the eyes of God, the blood rests both upon the male and the female. If the man protests the abortion, then the childs blood rests solely upon the woman! The blood of the baby also rests on the head of the abortionist, and he will receive his reward.

The acceptance or rejection of the Obama Health Care Reform (Bill or Law) should not be debated over political ideology or personal political bias, it should be debated over its merits, its Constitutionality, its weaknesses, its fair and equitable treatment of those it is designed to serve. If it unfairly burdens the people, or restricts access to available or desired medical care, or deminishes the value of human life, then it should not become a law that this nation will endure.

It has long been the desire of many to see a workable, effective, and fair health care system in place for the many families that merely can not afford comprehensive health care. I do not say NO to health care reform, I merely say no to Obamas Health Care package because of the Constitutional safegurads in getting it into law were thrown out the window for one.

This bill does and will use tax payers money to subsidize the abortion industry, which is big money to them. Thats where their money is rooted, abortions. No sense of human compassion sufficient to over shadow the lust for money.

Posted by: Jordan48 | March 23, 2010 2:46 AM | Report abuse

It's the media that brings "shame upon our nation" for misreporting. Watch and listen to the house floor video.

Posted by: Snoringcow | March 23, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Disappointed to see one more confirmation of the media disregarding the truth.
Complete irresponsibility in journalism of any form and there is no other explanation but spite and bias. Please watch and open your ears as you do to the video from the house floor. Not to mention that Neugebauer stated afterward that his comment was in referenc to the bill ....NOT Bart Stupak personally. It is perfectly audible on the video and there is no excuse for this. I have seen several reports on this and every one captioned to sensationalize what the truth would have made a possibly unreported comment. Neugebauer clearly says "It's a baby killer" in reference to the bill. This is misinformation well worthy of an apology from the WP and others at least to their readers.
Appropriate or not, there is a huge difference between a comment made in reference to the content of a work and a direct accusation of another member. APOLOGIZE for this!!

Posted by: Snoringcow | March 23, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Hey, pro-abort Dems! Go to AbortionNo.org and watch, if you can, what you're so passionate to protect.

You're on the side of the butchers. You will be judged.

Posted by: Robster1 | March 22, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't think a woman's uterus is for debate in the House or the Senate. It would be interesting to know how many of the men who stand so firmly against abortion so their consituents can see what compassion they possess have actually paid for their mistresses to terminate pregnancies. And in the same "compassionate" breath they want to deny 32 million American citizens access to health care and our senior citizens no way out from the donut hole. I say we bring legislation to the table that gets at the very heart of the abortion debate, ejaculation. Each ejaculation is a potential baby, yet we don't hear any uproar in the House, Senate, or from our religious elite about this issue. If we could legislate when, where, and under what circumstances men ejaculated, that would probably get rid of the abortion issue once and for all. Oh, but would it be too intrusive if we were to write legislation controling men's reproductive organs? Perhaps another method of handling this issue would be for Americans to stop manipulating and rewriting the Bible long enough to educate our male and female children about how babies are made so they can learn why it is they should "just say no".

Posted by: Scared4theWorld | March 22, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Send that man a free tee shirt from the club:

WE HATE WOMEN

No apologies required. History speaks for itself.

Posted by: bkru | March 22, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Send that man a free tee shirt from his club:

WE HATE WOMEN.

No apologies required.

Posted by: bkru | March 22, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Neugebauer has absolutely nothing to apologize for.

Why be sorry for telling the truth?

Posted by: drumcrn1 | March 22, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Randy Neugebauer, there is no need to apologize for the truth.

Posted by: Maxim49 | March 22, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Banana Republicanism continues.

Posted by: FirstMouse1 | March 22, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Just calling a Spade a Spade........(if you know what I mean ???)

However he did forget ............Cheat, Traitor, TurnCoat, TwoFaced, LIAR !!!

Posted by: thgirbla | March 22, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Democrats are so vile and ugly.

Guess you gotta' be that way to kill babies eh.

Definitely not people you'd safely turn your back to.

Posted by: muawiyah | March 22, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Why are Republicans so mean and hateful? Were they always like that or is it a result of tea intoxication?

Posted by: Munir1 | March 22, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

THE GOP ARE THE VILEST OF ALL HUMANS.

Posted by: patryot | March 22, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson was right: Obama lies
Randy Neugebauer was right: Democrats are baby-killers
Refreshing to see some truth on Capitol Hill.
Posted by: drumcrn1 | March 22, 2010 9:26 PM |

You missed 1: you're a nitwit & an inbred.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

It is not that Democrats are "so in favor of killing the unborn." It is that Democrats do not see the social good of forcing desperate women into back alley abortions. You know. The ones that dispense with aseptic technique, anesthesia, trained personnel, and proper utensils. They don't use coat hangers symbolically to represent kitchen table procedures for nothing. There is little to admire about terminating a normal pregnancy on account of an "accident." There are plenty of techniques available to prevent a pregnancy and to abort a pregnancy chemically quite early on. But the Roman Catholic Church, and others, insist on spreading the conclusions that are drawn from their beliefs so as to affect everyone in America. If you look closely, you can see the hypocrisy of professing to be pro-life when the only life that matters is the life that temporarily resides within a woman's womb. One can easily understand how someone might draw the conclusion that a woman having an abortion is a woman sticking her thumb into her sex partner's eye. He went to all the time and trouble to plant his seed in her. He has every right to expect her to carry his property to term. Even if he is a first degree relative or rapist. The woman's obligation is to muddle through and bear the social stigma, if any. She must do as men tell her to do. It is God's Will.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | March 22, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

The angry right mob has spilled over into Congress. Can the Repubs sink any lower?

Posted by: davidwg46 | March 22, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson was right: Obama lies

Randy Neugebauer was right: Democrats are baby-killers

Refreshing to see some truth on Capitol Hill.

Posted by: drumcrn1 | March 22, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

But that's how Obama got elected, the outrageously stupid. Obama was counting on them. The same people that keep loan sharks in business...
Posted by: Maxim49 | March 22, 2010 9:13 PM |

So what's your excuse?
cause apparently your IQ of 20 got you where you can make a statement like that.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

The GOP has become a mob of thugs. How can anyone have any respect for them? They have lost what it means to be a democracy. The GOP has more in common with the brown shirts of 1930's in Germany than with the principals set forth by our forefathers.

Shame on them, what they do not realize is that we now see them for who they really are. Unless we want to become a fascist state they need to be stopped. The GOP needs to get back to its roots.

Ronald Reagan is rolling in his grave.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | March 22, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

He only spoke the truth: 219 Democrats are baby-killers.
Posted by: drumcrn1 | March 22, 2010 9:01 PM |

damn they must've missed a baby then - you.
Stupid says as stupid will get b1tch slapped.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Matthew 2 (The Bible)

16When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi.

17Then what was said through the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled:

18"A voice is heard in Ramah,
weeping and great mourning,
Rachel weeping for her children
and refusing to be comforted,
because they are no more."[g]

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

there is nothing new under the sun, govt abortion always occurs before prophetic fulfillment

Posted by: ProCounsel | March 22, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Exodus 1 (The Bible)

15 The king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, whose names were Shiphrah and Puah,

16 "When you help the Hebrew women in childbirth and observe them on the delivery stool, if it is a boy, kill him; but if it is a girl, let her live."

17 The midwives, however, feared God and did not do what the king of Egypt had told them to do; they let the boys live.

18 Then the king of Egypt summoned the midwives and asked them, "Why have you done this? Why have you let the boys live?"

19 The midwives answered Pharaoh, "Hebrew women are not like Egyptian women; they are vigorous and give birth before the midwives arrive."

20 So God was kind to the midwives and the people increased and became even more numerous.

21 And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families of their own.

22 Then Pharaoh gave this order to all his people: "Every boy that is born [b] you must throw into the Nile, but let every girl live."

http://www.biblegateway.com/

Posted by: ProCounsel | March 22, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, right. I ALMOST believe this schmuck when he says he yelled "it's a baby killer" and not "Baby Killer!". Yeah, right.

Do these insanely zealot politicians actually think we are so stupid as to believe their after-the-embarrassing-fact rationalizations?

Posted by: markiejoe | March 22, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

TO all of you with your so why are the Democrats so in favor of killing the unborn---ENOUGH. Not one Democrat,Republican,or Aristocrat in recent history ever cam out as in FAVOR of killing the unborn. This ridiculous,repetitive argument is baseless,stupid and immoral itself it it's lie. The same people that claim to be PRO LIFE, support the DEATH PENALTY, what's pro life about that?
____________________________

The death penalty is reserved for the vilest of criminals. They know what the penalty is and they are guilty. To compare that with taking an innocent life of s baby who depends on adults for everything is outrageously stupid. But that's how Obama got elected, the outrageously stupid. Obama was counting on them. The same people that keep loan sharks in business...

Posted by: Maxim49 | March 22, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

He only spoke the truth: 219 Democrats are baby-killers.

Posted by: drumcrn1 | March 22, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

If you like Obamacare, you'll love China, where government controls and regulates pretty much everything and they have a thriving baby-butchering business thanks to a "one-child" policy.

We're becoming subjects..not citizens...thank your local idiot Democrat.

Posted by: Robster1 | March 22, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

He blurted something he regrets. Quickly apologized. After Rep. Wilson's ugly outburst, this is getting old, but, apology accepted. Back to work folks! Healthcare, check. Next up, financial reform. Taxpayers are paying you to govern. Get back to work.

Posted by: firethief | March 22, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

firethief,
You can't get any work done until you stop the noise. Ask any teacher in the classroom.

Posted by: MILLER123 | March 22, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

The GOP say that HC should be between the patient and the doctor.

If so, why does the Catholic Church, Republicans, and Conservatives insist on coming between me, my doctor, and my Saviour?


Posted by: lcarter0311 | March 22, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

TO all of you with your so why are the Democrats so in favor of killing the unborn---ENOUGH. Not one Democrat,Republican,or Aristocrat in recent history ever cam out as in FAVOR of killing the unborn. This ridiculous,repetitive argument is baseless,stupid and immoral itself it it's lie. The same people that claim to be PRO LIFE, support the DEATH PENALTY, what's pro life about that? Nothing. These same folks don't believe in funding pre-natal care,birth control,sex education, the list goes on and on. What am I missing here? Youths will magically not get pregnant? Because what they won't have sex? They won't use condoms or birth control and they won't have anyone to even tell them these things exist.ENOUGH_ENOUGH_ENOUGH_. Put the hell up or shut up, if you aren't going to try and stop the problem then shut up. No more true than a stork brings Mommy her baby is the BS you people try and proliferate on the rest of us. Fund education,at the very friggin least.Me being in favor of a woman's right to choice is no different than your support of the NRA. That supports killing, right? Killing to protect one's property,one's people,one's safety. Your credibility would hit the stratosphere if you would simply admit what LIVES you are in favor of saving, if every abortion was profiled there would be but a miniscule percentage of births that you would deem appropriate to live in YOUR world anyway, so what gives? Stupeck is as pro-life as the Catholic Church,even more he went against 50 plus Nuns for god's sake. The true baby killers are the people that don't think we should all have health care,education,a safe place to live,an equal chance at employment the list goes on and on. Next time one of you fool's yells "Baby Killer" look in the mirror, at least then your rude and ridiculous comment will be more accurate. Again NO ONE supports abortion, the supposed pro abortion -"baby killers" support a womans right to chose what happens within her own body, these so-called "baby killers" do more to save childs lives than any of you supposed pro-lifers, by the same things I have mentioned above educationprograms, support,pre-natal care & birth control.You are the same people that refuse to hear evidence in death penalty cases once DNA evidence has cleared someone that has spent 20-30 years in prison, yet you are pro-life. What kind of life is that, play by your rules,sit in jail and rot as an innocent person,prove you are not guilty and then get told-- oops too bad process says you lose, what is this a game of cards? Please open up your minds to reality,you don't have to agree--simply see. The truth is there for all of us if only we could cleanse away our prejudice we would find that most of us agree a whoile lot more than disagree. Peace and Love to all even those of you that keep me awake at night. As you say God is a kind,loving and giving being--can't his followers do the same?

Posted by: mfowler1 | March 22, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

What the hell is it about Texas anyway? Nothing much good has ever come out of this state,Bush and L H Oswald among others.

Posted by: hyroller56 | March 22, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Jordan48 | March 22, 2010 8:20 PM

Exodus 1:15-22

This clearly illustrates Gods view of Aborting the birth of a child. When it is written that the midwives feared God...this clearly relects that God did not condone the command of Pharoah.

Is it not written that if men strive together and injure a woman who is with child that if mischief be found (intentional act) that the woman be injured and lose the baby that the offending man shall be punished for he has, with malice, brought about the death of the child?

Study the sin of Herod, who ordered the slaughter of the children of Bethlehem at the time of Christs birth, ordering the slaughter of all those male children who were 2 years and under of age.

Jordan48,
For the record, I do not believe in abortion.
But don't get it twisted.
Both stories have nothing to do with abortion.
ABORTION IS THE TERMINATION OF A PREGNANCY.
According to the Law of the Land of today killings babies like the midwives were told to do is plain murder. It is the same case with the other Bible story. This has nothing to do with abortion or the womb. It has everything to do with Male babies who were born. Stop using scriptures for your self righteous belief. Murder is Murder. Killing a doctor who performs abortion is Murder, plain and simple. You people are sounding more and more like those self righteous fools who have hijacked the Islamic faith calling for the death of any one who doesn't believe what they believe. You are no different. You're certainly not Christians and you know just enough scripture like satan to take it out of context and start trouble.

Posted by: MILLER123 | March 22, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Jordan48 | March 22, 2010 8:20 PM

Exodus 1:15-22

This clearly illustrates Gods view of Aborting the birth of a child. When it is written that the midwives feared God...this clearly relects that God did not condone the command of Pharoah.

Is it not written that if men strive together and injure a woman who is with child that if mischief be found (intentional act) that the woman be injured and lose the baby that the offending man shall be punished for he has, with malice, brought about the death of the child?

Study the sin of Herod, who ordered the slaughter of the children of Bethlehem at the time of Christs birth, ordering the slaughter of all those male children who were 2 years and under of age.

Jordan48,
For the record, I do not believe in abortion.
But don't get it twisted.
Both stories have nothing to do with abortion.
ABORTION IS THE TERMINATION OF A PREGNANCY.
According to the Law of the Land of today killings babies like the midwives were told to do is plain murder. It is the same case with the other Bible story. This has nothing to do with abortion or the womb. It has everything to do with Male babies who were born. Stop using scriptures for your self righteous belief. Murder is Murder. Killing a doctor who performs abortion is Murder, plain and simple. You people are sounding more and more like those self righteous fools who have hijacked the Islamic faith calling for the death of any one who doesn't believe what they believe. You are no different. You're certainly not Christians and you know just enough scripture like satan to take it out of context and start trouble.

Posted by: MILLER123 | March 22, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Jordan48 | March 22, 2010 8:20 PM

Exodus 1:15-22

This clearly illustrates Gods view of Aborting the birth of a child. When it is written that the midwives feared God...this clearly relects that God did not condone the command of Pharoah.

Is it not written that if men strive together and injure a woman who is with child that if mischief be found (intentional act) that the woman be injured and lose the baby that the offending man shall be punished for he has, with malice, brought about the death of the child?

Study the sin of Herod, who ordered the slaughter of the children of Bethlehem at the time of Christs birth, ordering the slaughter of all those male children who were 2 years and under of age.

Jordan48,
For the record, I do not believe in abortion.
But don't get it twisted.
Both stories have nothing to do with abortion.
ABORTION IS THE TERMINATION OF A PREGNANCY.
According to the Law of the Land of today killings babies like the midwives were told to do is plain murder. It is the same case with the other Bible story. This has nothing to do with abortion or the womb. It has everything to do with Male babies who were born. Stop using scriptures for your self righteous belief. Murder is Murder. Killing a doctor who performs abortion is Murder, plain and simple. You people are sounding more and more like those self righteous fools who have hijacked the Islamic faith calling for the death of any one who doesn't believe what they believe. You are no different. You're certainly not Christians and you know just enough scripture like satan to take it out of context and start trouble.

Posted by: MILLER123 | March 22, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse


Neugebauer, and the rest of the neocons in Congress, are indicative of the negative aspects of American life. The party of NO!


Posted by: mortified469 | March 22, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Charlietuna: If all men are indeed created equal, shouldn't all be entitled to health care?
Is it OK with you that there are 9 million American children currently without health insurance? Do you sleep soundly at night knowing this?

Posted by: Doc17 | March 22, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

And that comment came from a Republican from the grate (and no, this is NOT a typo) State of Texas - what a surprise. (LOL!)

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | March 22, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Killing babies is wrong; unless those babies are killed on another land -you hypocrites! Killing human beings is wrong; unless they look different. There's a fundamental reason for separation of church and State. Does any one remember the Saint Inquisition? Was Sadam worth it the billions of dollars we'd endorsed to the Bush administration? It is Ok to export democracy to the Muslin countries at the expense of American tax payers? But it seems that a little bit of compassion toward another American fellow it's Communism (?). Personally, if I have to share my tax dollars with someone; I prefer any American over anybody abroad. How about you; Joe the patriot??

Posted by: Americo1 | March 22, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

People are not going to be satisfied until someone gets kill or hurt because of stupid comments and outbursts. There are sickos out there who hear this mess and are blinded by hate. Some have kill doctors and others because of their self righteous beliefs, and their disrespectful, hypocritical, behavior. Yelling on the House Floor "Baby Killer" is a disgrace and the person yelling the words does not belong in the People's House. Neugebauer said "The House Chamber is a place of decorum and respect." He and Joe Wilson do not belong in such a place. They belong outside with all the other haters. There is no defense for such dangerous foolishness.

Posted by: MILLER123 | March 22, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Reply to: oldperson

Exodus 1:15-22

This clearly illustrates Gods view of Aborting the birth of a child. When it is written that the midwives feared God...this clearly relects that God did not condone the command of Pharoah.

Is it not written that if men strive together and injure a woman who is with child that if mischief be found (intentional act) that the woman be injured and lose the baby that the offending man shall be punished for he has, with malice, brought about the death of the child?

Study the sin of Herod, who ordered the slaughter of the children of Bethlehem at the time of Christs birth, ordering the slaughter of all those male children who were 2 years and under of age.

It is written: "The carnal man does not understand the things of God, for they are spiritually discerned, but the spiritual man discerneth all things of God, for he is spiritual." In searching out the scriptures, in your quest to find the truth, concerning Gods attitude towards abortion and partial birth abortion, ask yourself one simple quest. Would God condone this barbaric practice? If your answer is yes, then ask yourself one more question: "Why has every woman I have discussed this matter of abortion with, all those who have had an abortion bear a great amount of self guilt? Is it not written that I have written my laws upon your heart? Thereby comes conscience and there, as a result grows the seed of guilt!


Posted by: Jordan48 | March 22, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Famous Republicans often quoted and principles followed are the Pres Ronnie Reagan, Rev Fred Phelps of Westboro Baptist Church, Rach Limbaugh, Tim McVay, Larry “Wide Stance” Craig, Jesse Helms.

This representative is following in their fine footsteps

Posted by: vanwahlgren | March 22, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

So why do Democrats condone killing innocent babies right before he or she can take their first breath? A barbaric act. These are human beings full of potential that depend on adults for everything but are betrayed by them as their skulls are punctured, their brains sucked out and body parts torn off in piecemeal with forceps. It's too bad these human beings can't vote. Obama/Pelosi/Democrats would never have their corrupt vial butts in Washington. No apology needed, Neugebauer. It's those Criminals in the the White House and Congress and their ignorant selfish supporters that need to apologize and leave...

Posted by: Maxim49 | March 22, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

CITIZENS OF AMERICA, PREPARE YOURSELVES FOR CIVIL WAR.

THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. –That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it. . .”

Posted by: charlietuna666 | March 22, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

The dim continue to grow dimmer and the dumb get dumber. Neugebauer and his far-right colleagues are completely appalling.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | March 22, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

With so many uncouth morons now serving in Congress (presumably representing thousands more morons), can the nation possibly survive?

Posted by: zephyr99 | March 22, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

What does he think lack of health insurance does? Dumber than a box of rocks and just about as caring, despite the rhetoric. Somebody ought to start calling out this GOP. They don't care about anybody unless they are a big shot, least of all babies.

Posted by: SarahBB | March 22, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

The bill does kill unborn babies. Obama can sign his order and take it away with a stroke of a pen. Stupak sold us out.

Posted by: 45upnorth | March 22, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I bet if his grand daughter got raped, he would be the first one driving her to Mexico for an abortion. Dumb mofo!

Posted by: veloboldie | March 22, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

lying about the mandatory abortion of obamacare

and voting for the mandatory abortion coverage

is politically correct

saying it is not

Posted by: ProCounsel | March 22, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

truthful

but politically incorrect

Randy Neugebauer and Joe Wilson

Posted by: ProCounsel | March 22, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Neugebauer was heartbroken over the passage of this bill? Is he heartbroken over the many babies who have died because their families couldn't afford or get healthcare?

Posted by: djmolter | March 22, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

As usual the Washington Post has got it all wrong.

The Congressman actually was debating the Bush war policy.

Posted by: thealaskan | March 22, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

truth is still a defense

Posted by: ProCounsel | March 22, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

former_michigander:

Don't bother calling for civility on these pages. I've been doing it for weeks. Just don't feed the wackadoos!

Posted by: talitha1 | March 22, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

more abortions, less democrats

it's a good thing

democrats are all criminals anyway

95% of the people in jail are democrats

Posted by: charlietuna666 | March 22, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

It's time candidates for office be required to undergo a psychiatric evaluation before they are allowed to place their name on a ballot.

In the case of Neugebauer, Darwin's theory is obviously flawed and, if you want to point a finger at "baby-killers" you just have to look to the Republicans who blindly backed the Iraq invasion for G. Bush's act of revenge which killed and maimed thousands of Iraqi children.

These folks truly need to crawl back into their holes. You have to wonder who raised them. This is not normal human behavior.


Posted by: wesatch | March 22, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are a gang with no respect for America's interests.

Why should they respect a "miser Democrat Rep." speaking at the Congress? Hell no.
He, Rep Neugebauer, atop, is coming from TX, from the same place where the one that lied to all and everyone of us, American citizens, about the reason to giggle away and invade other country (countries) (do you really understand what the chimp did? He simply made up a reason, Bush made up a lie, any reason that we, "the stupid American People" for him, would swallow; and there he went, to kill 4,000 young gullible American kids and 1,000,000 million Iraqis and waste $1,000,000,000,000 of American taxpayers' dollars,... all for what?).

So, what else is new?
This scum yelling "baby killer" while I bet my right hand what he wants, he needs those babies that he wants alive, to exploit them at $3 or $4 an hour in his swine-farm. That's the way Republicans think. In terms of (don't you dare to give me any "moral" reason Republicans may put up; they know no moral!), save "the children", they can't be more cynical; they want desperado cheap labor--born from a teenager doomed to trash! That's what they want!

Don't get me wrong: Stupak, Lipinski, Donnelly, Dahlkemper, Driehaus and Marion Berry are no better either: they can't care less of the suffering an unwanted child can endure AND cause; they simply want serfs; abortion is an economical matter.

Posted by: SouthStar | March 22, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I am saddened by the immature level of discourse in this blog. I despair for the future if this is what we have achieved.

Posted by: jacquienina | March 22, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

These republicans are completely out of control, speak out of turn and always wrong is the worse part. They just spent 8 years doing and saying nothing as they let their president run us into debt.
They had bailout for banks and car company but nothing for the American people..well go figure that one.

Posted by: mac7 | March 22, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

I say all the Democrats and progressives that live in Texas should move to a blue state and allow anyone from a red state to move to Texas and then we should allow them to secede, and we should build a mile high fence and then never let them visit here again, except for the blonde cheerleaders.

Posted by: tuttlegroup | March 22, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

I respect Mr. Neugebauer for apologizing as he did. It was the right thing to do, and I'm glad he did it. Still, he didn't apologize to his constituents, to whom he most definitely owes an apology for representing them in such a negative way.

Posted by: damascuspride04 | March 22, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Man you right wingers and bigots are such a hateful lot. Sitting all comfortable in your caves you call home and spewing such crap.Please keep it up. Americans will have enough of this negativity and see you as you are. Hateful inbred idiots all.

OBAMA is truly a blessed man. The right time and moment. Accept it or step aside and keep it moving.

Posted by: llewis40 | March 22, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

"I coulda guessed Texas"-----Hey! We're not all saliva spitting, drooling, twitching wingnuts down here. Anybody remember Ann Richards?

Posted by: caebling | March 22, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Neugebauer should be out of office. Many people who throw around expressions like 'baby killer' have bombed or murdered at clinics. Then he shouts that at Stupak who is one of his fellow Taliban-clones.

Posted by: revbookburn | March 22, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Congressman Bootybugger, the cream of the Texas Republican crop. If you've ever spent any time in Lubbock, TX you'll understand how such an incompetent lunatic rose the the level of US Congressman. Living on the Staked Plain drives them all crazy.

Posted by: caebling | March 22, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Texas annexation was suspected a colossal blunder as far back as LBJ and finally confirmed and acknowledged after two terms of George Bush. Should the South again choose succession, I suspect the majority of Americans will be relieved and wish them well.

Posted by: slim2 | March 22, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I coulda guessed Texas...What an idiot..

Posted by: Mamanomia | March 22, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

A congressman who is so emotionally unstable that he lacks the self-control expected of a kindergarten student is unfit to govern and should resign. Lying about what everyone has heard over and over today doesn't change the fact that the behavior is unacceptable and should not be tolerated. It wasn't OK no matter how many apologies he makes.

Posted by: xclntcat | March 22, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Proceeding should be initiated immediately to remove him from office.

Posted by: Doc17 | March 22, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Another Republican explores a new low. How proud your caucus must be.

Posted by: paul6554 | March 22, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Democrats Care!
Republicans Don't!

Posted by: lunetrick | March 22, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

In the world of Obama, Reid and Pelosi EVERYTHING is for sale... why should Bart Stupak's conscience be different?

As Abortion Clinics across make plans to spend their new GOVERNMENT wealth, will they perhaps have the class to name their surgical suites in honor of Stupak?

Posted by: dmedman50 | March 22, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, well. What did you have for lunch today?

Posted by: BaracksTeleprompter | March 22, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Texas should succeed from the Union! Given the last week with the history books being re-written and this Bozo yelling out, I think we should ask Sam Houston to take the State back! Yeeeehaaawww!

Posted by: bcmichel | March 22, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse


When those who practice white supremacy lose control, they act like Newbagger and Joe Wilson...


Posted by: demtse | March 22, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

resign from office, you Texas rat.

Posted by: dudh | March 22, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I oppose this Obamacare legislation but am pro-choice. This type of outburst is unacceptable. How sad it is to serve up this sort of inappropriate behavior reminiscent of the radical left taunts shouted at George Bush.

Posted by: JohnRice |

The outburst at bush were done by people who were not members of congress but protesters outside of congress. I guess I expect more from a congressman than some anti war protester. What next, a republican congressmen throws a shoe at Peloci?

Posted by: ged0386 | March 22, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

infantry11b4faus

You cant teach someone about love if your message is cloaked in hate. When you label anyone who does not fit your politics some negative label as if they are less then human your message of love kind of gets lost in the rhetoric. So remember that when you call everyone who votes democrat baby killers. As a black person labels like that only make me imagine what you call people in your mind. I am pretty sure you call me a thug and drug dealer purely by sight if you call all democrats baby killer. Why do republicans need a name calling list anyway. I am sure you are able to articulate your feelings without name calling right? Why do you thrive on divisiveness and trying to hurt people? Republicans dont realize how bad that behavior is making their party and supporters look.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 22, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"Sorry I was misinterpreted", isn't an apology. Just saying...

Posted by: zappafan | March 22, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I oppose this Obamacare legislation but am pro-choice. This type of outburst is unacceptable. How sad it is to serve up this sort of inappropriate behavior reminiscent of the radical left taunts shouted at George Bush.

Posted by: JohnRice | March 22, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

The bitter irony is that the US has the highest infant mortality rate in the developed world, precisely because of the crappy health system that Republicans refused for decades to reform.

It's an absolute certainty that as the uninsured are able to access decent medical care for their kids, child and infant mortality will fall. Even next year it will be lower than it is now.

Who knows? Soon the US may even be able to boast a lower infant mortality rate than Cuba.

No thanks to the GOP. Babykillers.

Posted by: bourassa1 | March 22, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

As i watched the 5AM local news, they showed a story of a church holding a pasta dinner to raise money for a 3 YEAR OLD GIRL TO PAY FOR CANCER TREATMENT, whos parents had no insurence.

THEnext up was CONGRESSMAN BOEHNER, screaming shame on you, at the democrats for passing this bill.

Imust tell you i could almost hear him say, this child and all like her will be seen dead before the republican party will vote for any insurence for her or her kind.

I MUST ASK YOU WHO IS THE DEATH PANEL. the republicans need to drop the elephant, and have the skull and cross bones.

Posted by: dv1236 | March 22, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Rednecks, bigots, racits, idiots...step right over here and join your republican friends....

Posted by: GeorgHerbet | March 22, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

penniless_taxpayer

Fits the profile of the republican these days. Angry old white male who feels like he is losing control of his country and majority status he has enjoyed for over 400 years. I understand why his passions are high. He feels the liberals are taking over. Archie Bunker must be rolling over in his grave.

Posted by: ged0386 | March 22, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

The world is laughing at the USA because of the GOP. It's all about the money folks.

Posted by: aussiebones | March 22, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Tbaggers, crypto nazi swine, southern degenerates, low information thinkers, etc.- well, birds of these feathers flock together in the right wing of politics in the U.S. That should surprise no one.Civilization and conservative "thought"/behavior are incompatible. Case closed.

Posted by: tuonela | March 22, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

stupack is a babykiller now and probably always has been.
now we know that all you lestists are baby killers too.
or maybe you are just racist, knowing that more blacks than whites have abortions.
the gop wants you to have your children and love and nuture them. to stand by them and make sure the teachers union does not get all the money and that your children are taught to read and write english and to stand up to be proud and successful Americana.
the dems on the left want you to stoop at the alter of obama and big government. to murder babies as a form of birth control, and to take control of your lives, instead of letting you control your own life.
you will soon learn that pretty soon you run out of other peoples money and they government you love and serve will come after you for your money.
cuba lives in poverty and castro is a billionaire.
and the only difference between the nazi's, soviets was who was at the top of the government THEY WERE BOTH SOCIALISTS.
now you are socialist too.

Posted by: infantry11b4faus | March 22, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

It is one thing to shout out a slur about anyone (based on race, religion, or a color hat you don't like), takes no guts to do that. But this Texan then hide behind the delgation from Calif. and let them take the blame.

He can explain what he said and why he said it. Does not matter. He hide because he's a coward and no one doubts that. Texans have to be proud of him today && tomorrow. Most Texans have no use for cowards.

Posted by: wmboyd | March 22, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Neugebauer must need money. Acting like an imbecile seems to work very well attracting funds from the Glenn Beck lunatic crowd.

Posted by: NewThoughts | March 22, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jhr1: time for the U.S. military to seize control of the government, arrest Obama, Pelosi and Reid, Try Obama and Pelosi and Reid, execute Obama Pelosi and Reid, then give the government back to the American people.
--------------------------------------
You advocate a military coup of our government? That is TREASON!
Besides, the time to do it was with Bush/Chaney if it was to ever be done.
You people need to make a choice: either crawl back under your rocks and stop bothering the sane ones, or tone down the nonsensical rhetoric about 100%.

Posted by: easysoul | March 22, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jhr1 | March 22, 2010 5:39 PM: "Ok, time for the U.S. military to seize control of the government, arrest Obama, Pelosi and Reid, Try Obama and Pelosi and Reid, execute Obama Pelosi and Reid, then give the government back to the American people."
_____________________

Sounds like a real Republican idea to me. Right up there with Newt's trying to say how stupid the Dems are for voting for civil rights legislation because it cost them the south, and the political majority, for a decade.

Yep. Very Republican.

Just like the tea party guy who sneered at the guy with Parkinson's disease, threw a dollar at him, and told him to get a job.

Yep. Very Republican.

Posted by: amelia45 | March 22, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I like how he lies about what he said and expects anyone to believe it. They always do this crap and then lie about what they said on the floor later.

Lies, lies, and more lies is pretty much all the GOP is good for. Oh that and ripping off taxpayers, they excel at that part.

Posted by: Nymous | March 22, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Stupak is a baby killer. I agree.
Posted by: penniless_taxpayer | March 22, 2010 5:49 PM |

Source?
Link?

Cause then we can call the cops!

ps - Humans > u

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

He represents Texass.

Posted by: whocares666 | March 22, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Stupak is a baby killer. I agree.

Posted by: penniless_taxpayer | March 22, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

lmarkex, Republicans are the traitors, fool.

Posted by: hairguy01 | March 22, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Neugebauer? Sig HEIL!

Posted by: JONWINDY | March 22, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

he yelled out "baby killer" toward Democrats...
No, he yelled out "It's a baby killer." You acknowledge that four paragraphs down. But why are you so disingenuos in your lead sentence? Oh, I forgot. This is the WaPo.

Posted by: waterfrontproperty | March 22, 2010 5:41 PM |

so how come no1 came to his defense from his own party?

Oh you spelled disingenuous wrong just thought we point that FACT out.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

typical taliban republigoon behavior

Posted by: dac04 | March 22, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

It's unfortunate that Americans--whether in office or members of the voting public--cannot express themselves in a civil manner. Some of the comments here from both the left and right are ugly.

I only wish the GOP would turn away from its far right wing and save itself but it looks like it is too late.

Posted by: former_michigander | March 22, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

he yelled out "baby killer" toward Democrats...

No, he yelled out "It's a baby killer." You acknowledge that four paragraphs down. But why are you so disingenuos in your lead sentence? Oh, I forgot. This is the WaPo.

Posted by: waterfrontproperty | March 22, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

How long until the ReThuglicans dispense with name-calling and move on to outright gunfire? All in the name of the flag and Jesus, of course.

Posted by: hairguy01 | March 22, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Reply to abqcleve:

You do err in not knowing the scriptures. Jesus said that He did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill the law. At the time of Christ, the nation of Israel was governed under Roman law, but the Laws of Moses were observed to the point where capital crimes could not be enforced except by the approval of the Roman governing authority. That is why Jesus was sent to Pilot, for Pontius Pilot held the power of life and death over the Jews.

When Christ was crucified, the Dispensation of Grace began. The laws of Moses, which were ordered of God in the wilderness (See Leviticus and Numbers) was made perfect through the shed blood of our holy Lord Jesus Christ. There was no longer a need for the blood offering of lambs, bulls, rams, and other animals. For it is written that the blood of animals does not remit sin. For it is written; Behold the Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world. This was John the Baptist, speaking of Jesus, the Messiah. Is it not written that He led the captivity captive? Go and study what this means.

The laws of the Babylonia Empire were cast off when the Medes and Persians invaded Babylon. Then Roman law prevailed when the Romans invaded Israel. But the Jewish society conformed to the laws of Moses until the time of their (Israels) carrying away in 70 A.D., and in some parts still remain among the Jewish people as a memorial. These are those who have rejected the Gospel of Christ, even unto this very day. The passover is still observed, as are many of the Jewish holy days in Israel, since Israel, by the hand and promise of God, reformed Israel as a nation in 1948, which was prophesied by the prophets long before these events took place. (Approximately 550 years before Israel was carried away in 70 A.D., as recently as in the time of Christs ministry who prophesied the destruction of the Temple and the scattering of the nation of Israel, and 1900 plus years before Israel was reformed as a nation in one days time in 1948)

For John, on the Isle of Patmos, in his writings in Revelations, inspired of the Holy Ghost, foretold of Israels reformation as a nation in the latter days.

Posted by: Jordan48 | March 22, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Ok, time for the U.S. military to seize control of the government, arrest Obama, Pelosi and Reid, Try Obama and Pelosi and Reid, execute Obama Pelosi and Reid, then give the government back to the American people.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 22, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I have read the Bible cover to cover a couple of times, and I am unable to recall that God forbids abortion. I know that He allows spontaneous abortions [miscarriages]. Could someone cite book, chapter and verse for me?

Oh, yes, almost forgot, the Republican Representative from Texas, can't recall his name, needs to learn some manners.

Posted by: oldperson | March 22, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

One of the House rules dating back to 1776 states that no one member of the House shall besmirch the character of another member. This rule was put in place so that our elected officials in Washington would spend their time arguing over policy, not seeing who could qualify as the best knight of King George's army.

This is the second time in recent months that House Republicans have violated this time-honored rule. The other was Joe Wilson's "You lie!" shout during last year's State of the Union address.

This should be the end of Mr. Neugebauer's career in the Congress. Our elected officials should of all things be above temperamental outbursts that they cannot control. If Democrats fail to take action on clear violations by House members, we should only expect more of these infractions in the future.

Posted by: sthomas1957 | March 22, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I just called the office of this bigot to let him know that as a former resident of Fort Worth I was embarrassed and disgusted by his vile outburst yesterday.

The poor girl who answered the phone was polite and seemed shell-shocked. Keep calling to let him know that lots of Americans from Texas and around the country are outraged by this boorish, repulsive, and ugly desecration of our nation's capitol.

Here are his office numbers:

Phone: (202) 225-4005
Phone: (806) 763-1611
Phone: (432) 264-0722
Phone: (325) 675-9779

Posted by: dee5 | March 22, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Ok, time for the U.S. military to seize control of the government, arrest Obama, Pelosi and Reid, Try Obama and Pelosi and Reid, execute Obama Pelosi and Reid, then give the government back to the American people.
Posted by: jhr1 | March 22, 2010 5:28 PM |

Go - time to let the wild boars eff your mom & sister in the @ss & then cut their t1ts off & shove them in your mouth.

Ok - sounds just as stupid as your rant huh dada-dummy?

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

He blurted something he regrets. Quickly apologized. After Rep. Wilson's ugly outburst, this is getting old, but, apology accepted. Back to work folks! Healthcare, check. Next up, financial reform. Taxpayers are paying you to govern. Get back to work.

Posted by: firethief | March 22, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Ok, time for the U.S. military to seize control of the government, arrest Obama, Pelosi and Reid, Try Obama and Pelosi and Reid, execute Obama Pelosi and Reid, then give the government back to the American people.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 22, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

When I was in high school, my history teacher reprimanded me for something one day. "Son of a b!#ch!" I muttered under my breath at him.

When he took me out into the hall, I explained nervously that I wasn't calling HIM that; I was merely expressing my frustration.

He didn't buy it. I'm sure not buying this guy's explanation.

Posted by: ashevilleshep | March 22, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Wish he would have done worse. The animals on the Left have to be stopped somehow, most of all the pig in the WH.
2012 cannot come soon enough.
Posted by: DCer1 | March 22, 2010 5:21 PM |

Give back your PC to the chinese you dumb hick racist.
& your Cell phones
& your car.
& your TV.
& how about the prior 8 years of your ppl's rule??
Sieg Heil you df.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"The GOP is getting increasingly like Nazis. Where will their next National Convention be, Nuremberg?"

The above quote is pure nonsense, but only for one reason, no neonazicon would ever get anywhere near the scene of moral justice that convicted so many of their relatives!

As for the rest of the posters here, all of you from both sides missed the point entirely. Republicans selected the Robert's supreme circus and the recent ruling to allow corporate control of the voting process assures that when the republicans bring the health insurance reform act before them Roberts will strike it down for any asinine reason your stupid enough to swallow. By definition, and black letter law, a non living entity can't have a voice in the election process and unlimited spending does not breath unless your ignorant enough to believe in emasculate(sic) conception. Emasculate is exactly what happened to those conservative communist capons that ran this country since Ronnie the actor played the part of puppet to the Texas Arabian BushLaden 41. Come Novenber all we need to do to save America and perhaps the entire world is to muzzle the rest of the morons who are remaining inside our political system.

Posted by: anOPINIONATEDsob | March 22, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Jesus was a communist btw.

Posted by: mbutler99 | March 22, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The Repubs are just idiots and behaving very badly... Read the words in the bill.. How many times does "Hyde Amendment" have to be written?

Bottom line - they only want Obama to fail; they don't care about the cost, lies or their souls and certainly not about "real Americans".

Posted by: smileyzjohn | March 22, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone surprised? Coming from a Texan, from the state that is #1 in executions, #1 in uninsured residents,#49 in education, what else might we expect? He and the rest of his lot should remain in Texas when it is given back to Mexico. Even if we have to pay Mexico to take it.

Posted by: dubhlaoich | March 22, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

If the shoe fits, DEMS WEAR IT!!!
Posted by: houston123 | March 22, 2010 5:19 PM |

If the grey matter lacks, Pubs fit that!
& nitwits from howlston of course.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Wish he would have done worse. The animals on the Left have to be stopped somehow, most of all the pig in the WH.

2012 cannot come soon enough.

Posted by: DCer1 | March 22, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Send that cracker back to Texas.

Posted by: droffman2 | March 22, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

The worst form of coward is a lying coward. The Republicans and their Fox News/Tea Party shills have mastered the "Big Lie" method that Hitler proudly described in "Mein Kampf."

Neugebauer is a lying coward. He lies when he says he shouted "it's a baby killer." Those on the floor heard what he said. He called Stupak a baby killer, plain and simple, and he lacks the moral fortitude to own up to his remark.

One hopes the people in his district in Texas are embarrassed by their crass, amoral, lying representative. Few members have stooped lower that Neugebauer. Now that the supporters of the Right are regularly resorting to hurling offensive epithets at those with whom they disagree, Congressional leaders need to model civility, especially in the midst of a heated debate. Instead, Neugebauer's rhetorical Molotov cocktail simply inflames those who are moving closer and closer to the violent edge. Shame on him!

Posted by: BwanaDik | March 22, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

So, while he may not kill babies, he certainly will sell fetuses for a chance to "make history." So - Obama buys automakers, banks, student loan companies, fetuses, companies, homes, federal lands, - better watch for Granny - she has some gold teeth in her mouth!
Posted by: easttxisfreaky | March 22, 2010 5:08 PM |

Links? Source? Fact?

Reality > you.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Once again, ridiculous, peripheral arguments arising over abortion throw a monkeywrench into the cantakerous gears of Congress. Unfortunately that religious intransigence should overwhelm matters of public policy, over a question that cannot be resolved in any way more objective than someone's assertion of belief.

And it can't be. The question was never whether a fetus is "human", but whether it is yet a "person", to whom societies guarantees can or should be extended. To abortion foes, especially the religiously motivated, this is apparently obvious. To others, it is simply wrong.

The neat but simplistic answer is that God has spoken on the matter, but I've read the Bible, Torah and Qu-ran, and absent some very generous interpretation, it doesn't appear to me that this is so. For some, conception provides a "bright-line".. again, simple, but simplistic. Reasonable people do not agree on the matter, since at and for some time after conception, all that exists is a tiny, insensate mass of undifferentiated cells, which may or may not ever implant in the uterus, or develop further, and entirely dependent upon a body not its own for nutrients, oxygen, continued existence. To many, it doesn't make sense to consider this insensate mass of dependent cells to be the moral and legal equivalent of a fully-developed, biologically independent, sentient "person". A fetus CAN'T be accorded such status without diminishing the rights of the woman we ALL recognize as a legal person, the woman inside whose body it exists.

None of this is persuasive to those who believe God told them otherwise, or who (for whatever reason) think that the personhood of a fetus is self-evident. As I said, this question CAN'T be resolved, because it is over a metaphysical question to which no universally-acceptable answer is available.

Pity that there is such insistence of those on one side of the debate to compel others to conform to their view... a product of misplaced certainty.

Posted by: Iconoblaster | March 22, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

If the shoe fits, DEMS WEAR IT!!!

Posted by: houston123 | March 22, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Nothing like another "I'm sorry you were too stupid to understand what I said" apology"

Yeah, I believe he was saying "it's a bbay killer" as opposed to actually calling someone a baby killer

It sounds like he was reading someone that someone else wrote, which he probably was.

It he had the chutzpah to say it, he should have the cajones to take the heat for saying it.

Posted by: NYerInBalto | March 22, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Well, if the shoe fits.

Posted by: thebink | March 22, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Good for him, but why did it take until he was about to be uncovered.

Posted by: jmdziuban1 | March 22, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Democrats are pro abortion baby killers. They have blood on their hands. The Congressman has no need to apologize.
Posted by: Robster1 | March 22, 2010 5:10 PM |

What about the orphaned Haitian babies?
Or are you just cherry picking which issue like a 'allah'?

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Stupak, you are a cheap vote!

Posted by: houston123 | March 22, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Robster, so nice of you and easttxisfreaky to take time out from your terrorist abortion clinic bomb plot to post here.

Posted by: sasquatchbigfoot | March 22, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Typical GOP COWARD.

Posted by: A-Voter | March 22, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse
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YOU MEAN HE WAS DRUNK, TOO?

Posted by: trenda | March 22, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

What a lousy, lying weasel. Neugebauer laid low and figured out an excuse he thought would fly. A filthy, fascist, lying republican weasel, as they all are. Republicans are only good for the rope.

Posted by: RichardHode | March 22, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Not having the bill pass would have been the baby killer, the grandparent killer, the sick family member killer, and the unemployed and uninsured killer. The GOP can cry foul all they want, but they are the ones hindering progress in this country.

The GOP is no longer worried about helping Americans, they only want to get re-elected!

Posted by: tojo45 | March 22, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

It is quite apparent that you are incapable of discussing any issue in a civil and intelligent manner, when the opposing opinion or argument is contrary to your rudimentary intelligence. You spew volumns of hate because of the fullness of your heart, your mouth doth speak.
Is it any surprise to righteous men that such men as you blindly embrace the doctrines of devils? Not at all. For it is written that the blind shall lead the blind and they shall both fall in the ditch!
Posted by: Jordan48 | March 22, 2010 4:56 PM |

That's funny - all of you so-call God Fearing lunatics always luv to preach revenge & bloodshed.
You've done nothing- ZERO- ZIPPO - to defend your rhetoric?
I know of NO GOD/ALLAH that would condone your hate beliefs.

Why don't you defend your jrh1 guy below?
He is of your ilk & opened this thread up with that crap.

Hey you wanted fire with fire?
We are acquiescing to you & yours' actions.

Pot calling kettle.
Answer that Mr. Holier Than Thou.

So explain to me again why Hatian kids shouldn't be save but unborn 1 in a million embryo's should?

All you Pubs should kneel be4 your God to answer that!

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

How repugnant are these republicans? Spitting, yelling the "n" word, calling people "baby killers." They are hateful and hate-filled, a disgrace.

Posted by: monk4hall | March 22, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Another *ss *ole from Texas. Imagine that.

Posted by: jeffc6578 | March 22, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Democrats are pro abortion baby killers. They have blood on their hands. The Congressman has no need to apologize.

Posted by: Robster1 | March 22, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

STUPAK: WILL SELL FETUSES FOR VOTE
We have a new word for our Dictionary today: Stupak'ed
"You've been Stupak'ed."
No doubt that these words will make a person's stomach turn; you will know that you've been had, suckered...
"You've been Stupak'ed." Kind of like being screwed over.
It's about the fact that the other person simply wasn't capable of the intellectual or moral rigor that was needed in the argument and he or she was afraid of being found out.
So - he or she "Stupak'ed" you.

Stupak - the mental midget - could not and didn't argue the merits of the bill itself - which is enough of a reason not to vote for it, instead he chose to hide behind abortion to deflect his weaknesses.

Hiding behind abortion is REPREHENSIBLE.

So, while he may not kill babies, he certainly will sell fetuses for a chance to "make history." So - Obama buys automakers, banks, student loan companies, fetuses, companies, homes, federal lands, - better watch for Granny - she has some gold teeth in her mouth!

Posted by: easttxisfreaky | March 22, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Jordan48,

It also says "Judge not, lest ye be judged." Words to live by.

Posted by: cypherlock123 | March 22, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Reply to: Rocc00

You strain at a knat and swallow a camel. Does my modest error in not differentiating between a man being a Congressman or Senator cause you discomfort?

The fact that men in my grandfathers day would have either hung or publically ostracized some of the politicians of our day does not in translation mean that I would promote or endorse this kind of behavior. But it does promote the message that such men should not be in public office or tolerated by God fearing men and women to rule over them.

It is quite apparent that you are incapable of discussing any issue in a civil and intelligent manner, when the opposing opinion or argument is contrary to your rudimentary intelligence. You spew volumns of hate because of the fullness of your heart, your mouth doth speak.

Is it any surprise to righteous men that such men as you blindly embrace the doctrines of devils? Not at all. For it is written that the blind shall lead the blind and they shall both fall in the ditch!

Posted by: Jordan48 | March 22, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

If Randy Neugebauer really believed his own nonsense he wouldn't have gone into hiding for 15 hours but instead would have walked straight to the cameras like a man to state his case. Like most Republicans, Randy Neugebauer doesn't believe in the talking points he has been given.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 22, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

muawiyah,

I'm not a Democrat. Nice try.

It's your immediate defensive Crouch and Swing mentality that I'm talking about. Thanks for being such a stellar exmample of the behavior in question.

Posted by: cypherlock123 | March 22, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Sign the petition for stricter House and Senate chamber rules --

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/stricterregulation

Posted by: Hillary08 | March 22, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

America's National Socialist Party carries the ironic "Republican" name. The irony is most of its leadership appears, like its German namesake, to prefer war on foreigners and lies, incivility, and intimidation toward political opponents. The Democratic Party strategy for the 2010 elections needs to emphasize the long Nazi/Republican history of pathalogical lying that in recent years has added the intimidation and incivility factor. This will appeal to Independents, who are fed up with the No Nothing approach of our Nazis. Americans need to decide whether we want our Nazis to stand in the way of every attempt to solve our society's problems. Our Nazis certainly offer no serious solutions of their own.

Posted by: papio | March 22, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

This Texas representative is a real class act. Like a class clown, only too stupid to come up with his own clown act. Supposedly cares about the lives of the unborn. Bet he voted against the S-chip act that provided esential health care for young children. Never seen a bigger bunch of hypocrits than these Texas GOPers.

Posted by: Poleman | March 22, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Just another dumb comment from a dumb a$$.

Posted by: Woodstocknative | March 22, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

First order of business after the election will be to expel Democrats from the House like so much week old garbage.
That'll change the numbers on the 2/3's needed.
Posted by: muawiyah | March 22, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse


No more Mr. Nice Guy from now on (Check Conservatives for that side of it).
If you wanted civil discourse you should have acted in a civil manner, but you didn't. Now you Democrats will pay and pay and pay.
Posted by: muawiyah | March 22, 2010 4:36 PM |

Wuh wat??!! Pot calling kettle? Check your timestamp homes.
Apparently leading by example is not in your vocab pubs!
But we only from learnt the best of your actions the last 8 years prior.

Newton's 3rd law. Learn it chumpanzee.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

What a coward. Where was this un-American piece of garbage before he got ratted out? He can scream like a fuqing Taliban but won't back up his comment until the cameras unearth him?

Typical Rethug loser.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 22, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

As I said before, nothing any good comes from Texas politics. This was just another cheap publicity stunt and typical republican.

Where were they on abortion when their party was in total control giving tax cuts to the rich and stacking the deck on an economic collapse? Changed the rule of how the procedure is performed but basically left it the same. Where was this big mouth then? Where were any of the republican big mouths on this subject then?

During the Bush administration, I have seen them illegally buy religion and hide behind it. And the religous leaders swore by them while they played their deception on the people of this country and the world and took responsibility for nothing.

The abortion card seems to pop up when its the most convenient to their party. And they all make a good scene like their really concerned and then its stashed away till they need it again with very little or nothing done.

This health care bill is the first step in correcting a criminal government that has taken over a large portion of government. Their method of pilfer politics and special interest perks are about to be uncovered. They will make every effort to keep the perks and the royal treatment stay in their control.

Posted by: kimkimminni1 | March 22, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

JudiBug wrote: "Texas should succeed."

It would be nice to see something out of Texas succeed.


And jhr1, Your threat is duly noted and acted upon. You magnificent little pussy.

Posted by: swatkins1 | March 22, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

If you wanted civil discourse you should have acted in a civil manner, but you didn't. Now you Democrats will pay and pay and pay.
Posted by: muawiyah | March 22, 2010 4:36 PM |

We have...been paying...for the prior 8 years of crap you have given to us Repubs.
Geesh - go adopt an orphan Haitian kid you God fearing tell-me-how-to-live my-life nutbag.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The doppelganger of our first Republican prez. to grapple with the rights of the unborn foresaw the Hon. Neugebaur's Rothian political plight:

" ..[how will].. embryos on the placenta, who haven't even developed nervous systems yet, let alone limbs, will go about casting their ballots?"

"The president responds, 'Let me remind you that nothing in our Constitution denies a man the right to vote just because he is physically handicapped.'"

Voting rights for the unborn.

If not now? When?

Posted by: thealaskan | March 22, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

During the dispensation of the Mosaic Law, the Word of God says that if a man murder a man, take him outside the camp and kill him. Life for life! Liberals say, oh no...he is a misguided person, just send him to jail for a few years …
Posted by: Jordan48
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Yo! “Libruls” weren’t the ones who repudiated the Old Law (and in this case, this is Babylonian law); it was this guy named JESUS!!!
Man alive; I wish the thumpers would do their own thinking and reading….

Posted by: abqcleve | March 22, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Call this BUFFOON and let his office know what kind of an embarrassment he really is. (I know some of you kool-aid drinking faux news talking points posters will do just the opposite)

Phone: (202) 225-4005
Phone: (806) 763-1611
Phone: (432) 264-0722
Phone: (325) 675-9779


Posted by: gene11 | March 22, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

cypherlock123 ~

The time for discussion is over. (See Obama for that side of it).

No more Mr. Nice Guy from now on (Check Conservatives for that side of it).

If you wanted civil discourse you should have acted in a civil manner, but you didn't. Now you Democrats will pay and pay and pay.

Posted by: muawiyah | March 22, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Why do we have Republicans, what good are they ? I guess a mother skunk asks her self the same question when she has a little-skunk ? The health care bill assured the death of the Republican party in November ... Woopieeee !!!!!

Posted by: wasaUFO | March 22, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Woe be unto you liars and hypocrites, for the wrath of God shall soon be revealed against you. Posted by: Jordan48 | March 22, 2010 4:26 PM |

Hey jordan48 - go adopt an orphaned Haitian kid then come back & preach.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I wondered who the idiot was. Thanks for telling me!

Posted by: Formerrepublican | March 22, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Call this BUFFOON and let his office know what kind of an embarrassment he really is. (I know some of you kool-aid drinking faux news talking points posters will do just the opposite)

Phone: (202) 225-4005
Phone: (806) 763-1611
Phone: (432) 264-0722
Phone: (325) 675-9779


Posted by: gene11 | March 22, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Jordan48, Your Fire and brimstone aside, the inquisition already happened. Been there, Done that, bought the t-shirt, so to speak. We're trying to distance ourselves from your fanatic, fear-mongering Taliban mentality, even as you continue to self-flagellate in penance. Interpret the good word in your way, and we will interpret in ours. Bless you, child.

Posted by: swatkins1 | March 22, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Stupak actually trusts Comrade Obama to keep his word about the Order. Executive Orders can also be rescinded, idiot! You can never trust a commie, just like an islamofascist. They are masters of deception and they have been coached well in the art by the father of lies! Death to the commie progressives!!!

Posted by: Xuanito | March 22, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse


Xuanito, Congratulations. In a sea of mindless gibberish from the conservative side, your post stands out as being the stupidest. No easy feat.

I guess it never occurred to you that by calling for the death of anyone who disagrees with you, you reveal yourself to be exactly the same as the islamofascists you profess to dislike. Look in the mirror dumbass - you are them.

Posted by: alexgfoley | March 22, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

As other readers mentioned, he wasn't referring to Stupak personally because he said "it's a baby killer" but we just did not hear the "it's." The other part we didn't hear is "I am saying this very respectfully, and not at all to encourage a mob mentality, and I am clearly not trying to appeal to fear among people who lack education and generally have a negative IQ, and I am also not saying this because I am a racist and I hate having a black president and I'd do whatever I could to defeat him, even though I know this legislation will benefit the very lives of the idiots who vote for me because it will allow them not to get bankrupt when their child gets diagnosed with cancer and they have no money to pay the bills, not at all, I am just saying that this agreement it's a BABY KILLER."

Posted by: mbutler99 | March 22, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Nothing to see here ... just move on ... just the hate rantings of another birther. And he didn't say "It's a ...", just "Baby-killer". Listen to the tape. So add "Liar" to his list of accomplishments.

per wiki -
"On June 12, 2009, Neugebauer signed on as a co-sponsor of H.R. 1503, the bill introduced as a reaction to conspiracy theories which claimed that U.S. President Barack Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen."

Posted by: edfunk1 | March 22, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I do not want my federal tax dollars to be used for abortion. However, the GOP is playing the "class-card" when it comes to abortion. We don't want to spend taxpayer dollars on poor, single women from receiving an abortion. Most private plans, will pay for abortions. It is the coninuation of class warfare by the Repbublicans
Posted by: rogden71 | March 22, 2010 4:23 PM |

I hear ya!
This issue is multi-dimensional with the Repubs trying to smokescreen their way through it.
I've been a life long repub voter & their actions these last 8 years - Liberté, égalité, fraternité - for only a select few - breaths of another classist government I know of.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Reply to Cobra2:

Straight and to the point. Loved it! Hell is full of liberals and the Word of God declares that hell enlarges itself each day so that it will accomodate all those who enter therein!

During the dispensation of the Mosaic Law, the Word of God says that if a man murder a man, take him outside the camp and kill him. Life for life! Liberals say, oh no...he is a misguided person, just send him to jail for a few years so that he might see the error of his ways or become rehabilitated. They give no thought to the victim.

They are indeed fortunate that they (liberals) live during the Dispensation of Grace. Had they lived in the days of Moses, they would have become meat for the worms! But do not be so blind as to think that Gods judgment will be withheld forever. Gods' judgement of THIS nation has already begun.

Don't take my word for it, just look around you, open your blind eyes. You want to live in pleasure and revelry? Then live in revelry, while you can. You desire to trample the laws and holy ordinances of God, then trample away while you can. Your generation serves the false god, Moleck, by offering up the innocent blood of your little ones.

Thinkest thou that you will escape Gods fierce wrath O' foolish man? This generation legitimizes men lying with men, women with women, doing that which is against the law of nature, which is an abomination before the Lord of Hosts. NO nation will avoid the judgement of God that permits these things to be done openly.

You proclaim that my holy Lord is not, but in that day, surely you too shall bow and your tongue will confess, that Christ is Lord, the Son of the Living God! In that day, because your hearts have been hardened against the Lord, you shall be cast into outer darkness for all eternity, forever seperated from the God who loved you and sought only to do good unto you. But you would not!

Woe unto this nation, lest it repent before the Lord. In the day of judgement and wrath, you shall cry out unto Him, but He will not hearken unto your cries. The earth moans even now because of thy wickedness. The land will spew thee and all thy kinsmen out.

Thy enemies will come against you and destroy you in all of your lands. Woe be unto you liars and hypocrites, for the wrath of God shall soon be revealed against you. Yet, the Elect of God shall be saved. As in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah, so shall it be in your day of judgement, thou backslidden and wayward people! Selah

Posted by: Jordan48 | March 22, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Off-topic: the comments from both sides here lead me to despair for the future of the Republic.

Posted by: JOKR715 | March 22, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Typical Texan. All hat and no cattle. A true Lone Star Cow-ard.

Mr Seraphina should read a little biology, if it's not against his creationist religion to read. He'd learn that his wife commits abortion every time her eggs don't implant, which is 99 out of a hundred "conceptions."

Posted by: SydneyP | March 22, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Ooops! I impulsively called Randy Neugebauer a spineless a$$ h0le. But my excuse is "in the heat and emotion of the moment, I exclaimed that phrase in reference to the behavior of all Republican Congressman". So, that explanation should make it OK - right??

Posted by: JBGJRESQ | March 22, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

jaysit said:

"Republicans increasingly think that if you say something outlandish or stupid or just plain fallacious, and keep repeating it, it will somehow morph into the truth."

This is called the "big lie" theory.

According to Wikipedia: "The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf for a lie so 'colossal' that no one would believe that someone 'could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously'. ...
Later, Joseph Goebbels put forth a slightly different theory which has come to be more commonly associated with the expression 'big lie.' ... The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."

Goebbels was Hitler's propaganda chief.

Posted by: StanKlein | March 22, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I do not want my federal tax dollars to be used for abortion. However, the GOP is playing the "class-card" when it comes to abortion. We don't want to spend taxpayer dollars on poor, single women from receiving an abortion. Most private plans, will pay for abortions. It is the use of class warfare by the Repbublicans.

Posted by: rogden71 | March 22, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I do not want my federal tax dollars to be used for abortion. However, the GOP is playing the "class-card" when it comes to abortion. We don't want to spend taxpayer dollars on poor, single women from receiving an abortion. Most private plans, will pay for abortions. It is the coninuation of class warfare by the Repbublicans

Posted by: rogden71 | March 22, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"Neugebauer said Monday that the debate brought out too much passion in his disagreement with the deal Stupak struck with Obama and congressional leaders over abortion provisions in the legislation."
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The very definition of a Tea Party loser: brainless, knee-jerk vituperation. Let's straighten out Neugebauer's lame apology: he had his little Tourrette's moment because he realized, not that Stupak had revealed any weakness as an anti-abortion advocate, but because Neugebauer realized he'd just been outmaneuvered and the overall bill would pass.

Tea Partiers should all take a regular infusion of chamomile: for the nerves if not their bowels.

Posted by: abqcleve | March 22, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

....out of the ashes a God fearing Christian nation will arise.
Stupak has blood on his hands.
God Bless Congressman Neugebauer.
God Bless Texas.
Posted by: seraphina2 | March 22, 2010 4:17 PM |

Apparently, YOUR God also picks & chooses who lives & dies - see Haiti.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a fan of yelling out on the House floor, but the headline and in various places in the story it suggests that Neugebauer yelled "baby killer" at Stupak, rather than what he says he yelled, "it's a baby killer" about the bill. Just a point.

One other thing: Although the the media keeps referring to tea partiers yelling racial and gay slurs at particular congressmen, I have yet to see a report where the reporter says they heard the slurs or a video of it. Video cameras and phones are everywhere. Kind of surprising there isn't any video of the "incident."

Posted by: LouBear | March 22, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Seraphina is on her way to the DMV to let them know her birthdate on her license is wrong and they need to move it back 40 weeks.

Posted by: esmerelda123 | March 22, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Naturally, Texas and its representatives are a current embarrassment to themselves and the country, but just wait 'til the new textbooks arrive in Texas schools...things'll get a lot better then.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | March 22, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse


Can you answer one critical question? HAVE YOU actually READ this bill? I didn't think so! For if you had you would have found that your argument is fallacious. The ACLJ lawyers have read it, as have many who oppose this Obamanation Health Care Law. Look at article 2017.
Posted by: Jordan48 | March 22, 2010 3:44 PM |

Provide a link chump?
I prefer this one:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/what-health-bill-means-for-you/?hpid=topnews

Cause I could give a rat's @ss about you or your kind.
What's in it for me?!

take care of yourself before you tell me what to do chump.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

You can play all the cute little word games you want and claim that life begins at birth, or at 12:27 PM on the 2nd Tuesday after birth, just in case the woman was busy and couldn't get er done before the little one popped out, but God knows when life begins and it isn't when liberals say it does. It begins at CONCEPTION.

This health bill is a blessing because it's going to destroy this morally bankrupt country and out of the ashes a God fearing Christian nation will arise.

Stupak has blood on his hands.

God Bless Congressman Neugebauer.
God Bless Texas.


Posted by: seraphina2 | March 22, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

For cripes sakes, jordan48 and the rest. THIS BILL DOES NOT FUND ABORTION. Where do you get that? The issue was whether a woman -- WITH HER OWN FRICKIN' MONEY -- could pay for an abortion out of pocket. And that still isn't enough for the so-called pro-lifers. There is no chance federal funds are going to pay for abortions as a result of this bill. Where is the suppport for the idea that they will???

Posted by: esmerelda123 | March 22, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Jordan48:

He's not a Seantor.

Your solution to political disagreement is hanging and tarring and feathering? Really? Says a lot.

Posted by: marathoner | March 22, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

...Posted by: Micholina1 | March 22, 2010 4:08 PM |

Not these Republicans.
My how times have changed.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

That was a creepy, low moment in American politics and governance. Hopefully his constituents will have the good sense to castigate and replace him. There is no place for that sort of incivility in our national government.

Posted by: bryan37 | March 22, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I have a three year old nephew that throws the same kind of tantrums.

Posted by: spookykat1 | March 22, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

The first person elected President of the United States from the Republican Party was Abraham Lincoln in the election of 1860. Many white Southerners believed that Lincoln was an abolitionist and that he intended to end slavery as soon as he took office. Lincoln endorsed the official Republican philosophy that opposed slavery, but he, like the majority of other Republicans, firmly believed that the federal government could not end slavery where it already existed. The federal government could exclude slavery from any new states or territories. Many white Southerners did not believe Lincoln and his fellow Republicans, and seven Southern states seceded from the Union, quickly followed by four additional ones. The Southern states leaving the Union resulted in the American Civil War.
The North triumphed in the Civil War, and the Republican Party emerged as the dominant political force in the United States for the next fifty years. Between 1860 and 1912, Republicans won every presidential election except for two. Northerners overwhelmingly supported the Republican Party. In the South, a majority of African Americans supported the Republican Party, while only a small percentage of whites did so. Most white Southerners objected to the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution, which granted African Americans their freedom, equal protection under the law, and the right to vote to black men. Republicans were the ones to amend the Constitution. As a result of this, most white Southerners joined the Democratic Party. They could not support the Republican Party, since it was the Republicans who had ended slavery and had led the North to victory over the South in the Civil War.

Posted by: Micholina1 | March 22, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I am so DONE with the lack of civil discourse in this country. From this pinhead (and others on both dies) in Congress, to the people commenting on this website, we will get absolutely NO WHERE if we don't find a way to talk about our differences in a constructive way.

Posted by: cypherlock123 | March 22, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

He needs to be ejected and if not his constituents need to impeach him. There is a vast difference between calling someone a liar- although in the Congress of the United States during the State of The Union and to the President is not at all acceptable- and calling someone a babykiller- which is not permissable at any time anywhere. As far as I can see it men have no right to participate in the conversation at all- if you want to get down to it- they are not the ones having abortions. Neugebauer is just a bloated old man who thinks his opinion is perfect and who has never really cared what people think- that's the problem with many, many of those in Congress- they patronize and use our trust. He needs to go now- they need to go soon. An apology does not make this one right.

Posted by: poppysue85 | March 22, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Now 30+ years later we see they have changed their stripes. Uncle Sam will decide who lives and who dies. Liberals really do Suck!!
Posted by: Cobra2 | March 22, 2010 3:32 PM |

What have YOU done to save any child?
Have you adopted the living ones?
Or just advocated for the reduction in government assistance to your local muni's agency?

Have you've been raped into pregnancy or just talking rhetoric cause your next of kin says so.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: A-Voter | March 22, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

This guy is a jerk, plain and simple. No manners. And yet he's been elected to a Congressional seat? My hope is that voters in his district won't like being embarrassed in front of the entire country and just may vote for someone else. A proposal that was good enough for the Catholic bishops and nuns doesn't meet with his approval? How arrogant. Why doesn't he just admit he doesn't like losing to the Democrats and President Obama?

He shouldn't get one more moment of press on this.

Posted by: capone1 | March 22, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

palitogrande: Right on.

Posted by: marSF | March 22, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Wingnuts here still freaking out about Bill Ayers!
Come on dude, you need to come out of mom's basement and breath some fresh air.

Posted by: marSF | March 22, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

The Party of NO! and Mr. Neugebauer would rather have 40,000 adult Citizens die each year for lack of health care, all in the name of being anti-abortion. Consider the cost to the country for their education, and loss of future contributions of each deceased. So far, a woman's right to choose is law. The Lemming Party has chosen to use every tool available to it to block this legislation, including manipulation of the pro life movement to impose more restrictions on a woman's right to choose if under this legislation. Where oh where has the rational GOP from years ago gone? Back then it was "Country First", not Party First.

Posted by: atc333 | March 22, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Its amazing to me how the GOP claims to care about the unborn, but then categorically refuses to support any kind of social legislation that would help improve life for poor children and their families. Perhaps Barney Frank said it best when he said "Republicans are the only people I know who think life begins at conception and ends at birth."

Posted by: rs13 | March 22, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

A Texas Republican being loud and unprofessional....I would never have guessed.

Posted by: sarahabc | March 22, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Reply to jaysit:

Can you answer one critical question? HAVE YOU actually READ this bill? I didn't think so! For if you had you would have found that your argument is fallacious. The ACLJ lawyers have read it, as have many who oppose this Obamanation Health Care Law. Look at article 2017.

You and many of you Obamanation supporters have been duped! He is playing you like a fiddle! Guess you don't mind being lied to, do you? Do you truly like being deceived by this man of deception?

It is regretable that the Senator from Texas uttered any apology at all with regards to his "baby killer" outcry. I would have NEVER made such an apology!

Some of these very temporary members of the House and Senate decry the fact that they have actually been spit upon. They should count themselves lucky that was all that happened to them.

In my grandfathers day, they would have been hung or rode out of town on a rail after being tarred and feathered.

Posted by: Jordan48 | March 22, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

these people r pycho! wanna bee's loser' they all believe they r god . even the death penalty. l just look and laugh. judge and u shall be judge .

Posted by: murdock_822 | March 22, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Consider; In the environment today, if members of the opposition party was in power the number of arrest would be very high, the label treason assigned, and report after report how the out of power supporters were acting uncivilized.

Today, however, there are not alot of arrest, freedom of speech however ugly is in full swing, right to assembly in full force, no freedoms infringed upon or put down.

Yet, people in the opposition scream the end is near, the constitution is being sat aside, and rights are being eroded. I think that is a sign of what they would do if they were in charge.

Posted by: Mas1 | March 22, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is getting increasingly like Nazis. Where will their next National Convention be, Nurenberg?

Posted by: osullivanc1 | March 21, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

How original. Heard it will be at Bill Ayers home with all you other liberal traitors. And the Congressman is right. He is a baby killer for beliving an executive order will prevent funding for abortion. Liberals have been complicit in the killing of over 50 million human beings since Row v Wade. They won't admit it but that's exactly what that ruling was about. And funny how the Supreme Court ruled that Government has no place between a woman and her body. Now 30+ years later we see they have changed their stripes. Uncle Sam will decide who lives and who dies. Liberals really do Suck!!

Posted by: Cobra2 | March 22, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

It is an easily observeable axiom: a man's anti-abortion agression is usually proportionate to his hate for that child once it's delivered alive and healthy into the world.

Yes, it's a baby before it begins breathing, but it's still a baby once it's alive. If you Pharisees believe any woman approaches this decision like her deciding on which flavor of ice cream to buy, you cannot think or feel beyond yourself.

Birth is the exact moment (birth) these Pharisees go into action against the lucky unaborted. Cursing the born and cursing the mother who bore it into the world. And when you do, you have cursed Jesus and are not his follower as you profess. You are a liar as your father is a liar.

If single women have health care available for their newborn children, they will be less likely to consider abortion an alternative. But this is the paradox.

The Pharisees are now free to hate her for aborting the child or hate her for delivering a child she can now raise healthy. The goal is not to preserve life, their true goal is to hate. Doing so affords these Taliban with crosses an alternative to valuable time that could be spent in self examination. It's a win/win for Christian (so called) hate mongers everywhere.

God bless the Blues for finally having the huevos to vote their conscience while knowing the potential backlash. Had they grown some sooner and called for a draft, we'd have been out of Iraq 7 years ago. Mr. and Mrs. (my)Family('s) value(d) would have cried, "not my unaborted child"!

Posted by: palitogrande | March 22, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, wouldn't you know?
It's another mindless, out-of-control Texan.
Lord, I'm tired of this.
Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-Tex.) is lying through his teeth when he claims he was referring to the legislation, rather than admitting that his real target was to personally insult Rep. Bart Stupak for his decision to vote for the legislation.
"Babykiller" is a very common epithet flung at (especially pro-choice) Democrats by the far-right.
That has been a common campaign tactic by the rabid anti-choicers since the campaign of 1994 in our area.
Just like "You lie" by Rep. Joe Wilson was hurled at President Obama in a deliberate attempt to embarrass him in front of the world, whether Wilson admits to it or not, Rep. Neugebauer deliberately intended the personal insult because he was angry at Rep. Stupak for his voting change.
Of that I have no doubt whatsoever.
The problem with this type of activity (and a reason they dare to continue with it) is that people tend to feel disgusted and walk away, rather than taking action to remove this man from his ability to have a platform to continue this obscene behavior.
The Republicans know that, so they continue to urge and foment more such incidents.
It's time they be held to account for the epithets, the spitting, the attempts to humiliate.
There's a limit to turning the other cheek.
At some point, these arrogant radicals need to be made to pay a price.
If we don't stand up to this continuing and escalating poisonous campaign of diatribe, we are in danger of losing this country to mob anarchy.

Posted by: Judy-in-TX | March 22, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

fr jordan48:

>...Please pray for this situation, pray for our leaders - and continue to stand with the ACLJ against government-controlled health care and the use of federal taxpayer dollars to fund abortion.

NO. I will NOT support any "aclj" that is formed by/connected with anti-gay patty "send me all your money" robber$on.

Posted by: Alex511 | March 22, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

would you expect anything better from a birther?

Posted by: thor2 | March 22, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Texas should succeed. At least we could go down fighting instead of mildewing away.
Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:47 PM |

OMFG!!!
There you have it folks - the best & brightest that the repubs can send to congress comes from a gene pool such as this JudiBug - Exhibit2.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"Yoy're right, I do dream at night of hating that lousy commie as**ole.We hate Barack Obama,
Posted by: jhr1 | March 22, 2010 10:28 AM"
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Who is "we" white man????
Others want to know...

This person may have rights to speak. However, his rants are way over the line. No debate, just hate. No intelligent argument, just hate.

It is fanatic people like this that can commit terrorism. I was going to report abuse on this guy, but I called a friend to look at it, he did. He said that there is no need to report him, he is already being checked and watched.

Somethings, like yelling fire in a crowded theater, are not freedom of speech.

Posted by: Doc-T | March 22, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I've had to bookmark this page just to keep coming back and see how deep the depths of immaturity the liberals on this page can get. Doesn't seem to be approaching any bottom soon.

...I'm not a Republican, nor do I equate Democrats as liberals. The problem with liberals is they're as much Taliban-like as the Republicans they taunt with cush labels --- it's just liberalism is their religion instead of Christianity.

I'm on the fence about the bill in question, I'm only put off by the disgusting process used to pass it and the equally disgusting tactics used to oppose it.

People need to grow up, and I mean everyone from those posting here to the elected leaders of this country that should be above it all. I hold almost no hope that either case will come to pass though.

Posted by: uscsmog | March 22, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

QUOTE from the American Center for Law and Justice: "The House has passed a health care package that fails the American people and does not provide permanent protections for the life of the unborn. We are preparing to file a federal lawsuit challenging the flawed health care package.

It is extremely disappointing that the House approved a bill that depends on a promise from President Obama. Those self-proclaimed pro-life Democrats put their trust in an Executive Order - subject to being rescinded by the President - a move that is not only short-sighted but does not provide the guarantees and pro-life protections secured by statutory language in a law approved by Congress.

The fact remains that the actual health care bill just approved does fund abortion.

The question is: Which President Obama do you believe - the President who repeatedly and publicly opposed the pro-life language in the earlier House-passed bill, or the President who now promises an Executive Order to secure the votes he needed to pass a very dangerous health care package?

The Executive Order is problematic on a number of fronts. It is not a legislative fix and does not carry the force of Congressionally-approved legislation. It does not supersede law. It can be rescinded. And, what should concern everyone: this Executive Order places HHS Secretary Sebelius at the helm of the funding process - a cabinet member who has a long and documented history of supporting abortion.

The American people won't be fooled. We've heard from more than 500,000 Americans who oppose government-run, pro-abortion health care. They understand what happened - another Washington power-play that ignores what most Americans want.

This flawed health care package may have passed - but it is far from being implemented.

We're preparing legal action to challenge this measure and intend to file a lawsuit in federal court soon challenging a law that is not only wrong for America - but one with a forced mandate that penalizes Americans who choose not to participate. That is unconstitutional, and we believe ultimately it will be overturned by the courts. Please pray for this situation, pray for our leaders - and continue to stand with the ACLJ against government-controlled health care and the use of federal taxpayer dollars to fund abortion.






Posted by: Jordan48 | March 22, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

@eileenmitt, can you tell us which racist comments were made and when? People like you put out these claims and then don't back them up.

@osullivanc1, you and your Dumocrats are the true Nazis: you're unwilling to entertain that there might be different views and you therefore call everyone who questions your argument a Nazi.

Posted by: traderdad37 | March 22, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Republicans increasingly think that if you say something outlandish or stupid or just plain fallacious, and keep repeating it, it will somehow morph into the truth. There is NO, I repeat NO abortion in this bill. If that fact was good enough for God's saintliest, Catholic Nuns, then it should be good enough for this ludicrous Texan. Then add to that the Executive Order that basically turns the Senate Bill into one that had Bart Stupak's anti-abortion provision in the earlier passed Congressional bill (basically a second layer of anti-abortion language). With the Executive Order in place, even Catholic bishops were for the bill. Yet this foolish Texan rants like a spoiled, mentally challenged brat. Not that this will be the last we hear of this nonsense. Sarah Palin and other professional liars from the right will keep repeating this garbage over and over again.

Posted by: jaysit | March 22, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, the GOP have reduced themselves to a party of 'shouters', much like the British Parliment and the Yenta's on 'The View' who talk all over themselves while not being understood on what exactly the point being made.

Just as sad are the endless apologies the day after, as though the act was a drunken frenzied first date of passion, full of regret and not well thought out.

Own up to it Dude, you were stupid enough to say it for birthers/right to lifers all and those that were dumb enough to vote for you.

Posted by: nofearrockstar | March 22, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Common ground:

"Texas should succeed."

Quite right, JudiBug. But secession won't git 'er done.

Posted by: mattintx | March 22, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse


millertek wrote:
This type of rhetoric is common when FLAWED legislation is shoved down the public's throat. The states and courts can still stop this horrific plan. Thank God for checks and balances.
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This type of rhetoric is not common at all! It's certainly gain momentum since the GOP lost in 2010 though.

Posted by: eddie111 | March 22, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

This type of rhetoric is common when FLAWED legislation is shoved down the public's throat. The states and courts can still stop this horrific plan. Thank God for checks and balances.
Posted by: millertek | March 22, 2010 3:05 PM |

You mean the same courts that helped GDub win his 1st election?
Dude - Newton's 3rd law. Learn it. Love it. Live it.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"There you have it folks - the best & brightest that the repubs can send to congress come from a gene pool such as this JudiBug."

Thanks Rocc00, you the man

Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Randy Neugebauer can't even apologize without lying.

He said loud and clear "Baby Killer" referring to Stupak.

In his apology Neugebauer claims he said "It's a baby Killer.

Check the tape, he is a two faced liar and his apology as worthless as all the other lies the REPUB-LIE-CANS have been feeding their base for the past 12 years.

And if you Tea Peeps would stop shouting, cursing at and spitting on people, long enought to look at the stuff you're swallowing whole, you'd seriously be questioning whether or not you're being used as a pawn for the REPUBLI-CORP agenda.

I mean do you really believe they give a rat's behind about you and your kind? All they want is your anger, to fuel their machine.

Posted by: alpacaman1 | March 22, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Big Whoop!!
Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 3:09 PM |

There you have it folks - the best & brightest that the repubs can send to congress come from a gene pool such as this JudiBug.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Come on gang, let's lay off Texas a little bit....I love Texas and think that it's a wonderful place to live. Let's not let a few "yokels" represent all the good people that live here. There's a LOT of land in between the cities here and a lot of time the few end up representing the many.

Texas representatives don't represent us all....remember, someone lost in the election....lol

Posted by: massmedia77 | March 22, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

It's truly sad how some people worry more about the unborn, that the living!

Posted by: SaysEye | March 22, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I really love how these crazy "pro-lifers" always talk about abortion without ever acknowledging the fact that there is always an ADULT WOMAN who can think for herself at the center of each and every instance where this decision is made. Too bad folks like Stupak and this knuckle-dragging Birther from an illiterate backwater district in Bushland think all women need their help and "wisdom" making painful personal decisions.

Posted by: marSF | March 22, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh no!! He had to be from Texas... What an embarrassment. I'm already so ashamed of our Texas representatives, who, for the most part, have 25%+ uninsured in their districts, who sweepingly voted AGAINST healthcare reform with the exception of Lloyd Doggett.

Posted by: sarah37 | March 22, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I should have know the yeller would either be a Teabagger or a Birther. Perhaps Randy Neugebauer is both.

Posted by: OHREALLYNOW | March 22, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Don't Republicans realize how their hate-mongering looks to the majority of U.S. Citizens?

The imbecilic racists of the 'teabagger' movement demonstrated this week how utterly deplorable they are.

And who is supporting these teabagging idiots?? None other than the GOP.

Posted by: ethereal_reality | March 22, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Big Whoop!!

Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"Well boys and girls, the mindless electorate got what it asked for - socialism, economic stagnation, a dumbing down of America, and a free lunch for all...whether they deserve it or not."
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Socialism is non-existent in America idiot. This is a capitalist nation. I'm tired of you brainwashed Nazi's spouting your rhetoric. What was done, in health care reform, is for the better of our country. Healthier citizens are by far more productive people....your rhetoric makes no sense. And just what the heck are you doing that all so private that you don't want your government to know about? Militias maybe? Racist rallies that send mindless hicks out in to the civilized world with murder on their mind? Terrorist training on how to build a pipe bomb to your kids? God only knows.....and you can thank the Republicans for the dumbing down of the Nation, starting with the last Republican Administration....Bush was a retard at best. He also had the bright idea of cutting funding to education so that he could start a war or two and make sure all the "good" folk could get their hands on guns N bibles....yeeeeeeHAAAWWWWWW!!!

Welcome to the future folks, the idiots have shown their true colors and now they want to offer excuses that your third grader could see through for their actions...."What I really said was....a-huck, ahuck....that bill was a....uhhhhh....baby steal...real....uhhhh, what rhymes with kill?"

The sad part is that the man probably needed an entire team of staffers to come up with that bullcrap.

Posted by: massmedia77 | March 22, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

That's right and I love you rocco00. Will you marry me???Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 3:02 PM |

Sure - since you can take it up the arse like all the repubs pigs are currently.

Suuuuueeeeyyyyyyyy!!!!

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

As soon as I heard about this I thought, "Whoever shouted that will end up not only failing to apologize but try to act as if shouting it was some act of moral conviction." Sure enough, no apology (a half-hearted, 'it wasn't directed at you personally, just at you and your fellow Democrats and what you stand for'.

So far as I can tell, GOP members of Congress have a documented record of treating elected American leaders worse than protesters did to returning Vietnam vets in the 1960's.

Posted by: mandrake | March 22, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"Texas republicans, no surprise there. Go ahead and secede already. They're among the biggest federal money leechs in the union."

And fu%cking fat and stupid too. Texas drags down the national IQ by 14 points, and drags up the obesity level by 18 percent.

Get rid of them.

Give them to the Mexican drug lords. They deserve it!

Posted by: trenda | March 22, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

You could say he was a coward for ducking after his comment. You might be wrong. But you could say he was a coward for not admitting it..........and you'd be exactly right. He's a proud coward and I doubt anyone in Texas is proud of him. They may agree, but cowards are not exactly a Texas tradition which is apparently his from now on.

Posted by: wmboyd | March 22, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Another Texas first!!

Posted by: whirlwind81 | March 22, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

ooooooh look at all those muscles you guys are too funny

Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

This type of rhetoric is common when FLAWED legislation is shoved down the public's throat. The states and courts can still stop this horrific plan. Thank God for checks and balances.

Posted by: millertek | March 22, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are the KILLERS, they lied about the WMD and send the country to WAR. Every REPUBLICAN is a TERRORIST, that are led by CHENEY the MF and Bush W they are MF

Posted by: simonbm | March 22, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

oh boo hoo, a nerd got me, ha ha ha ha
Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:59 PM |

Nerds created the net that you yell on & the PC that you espouse your wrong ideas on.

& you want to write public policies?!!

You are going to have to return all the equipment & return to that porch now dumbass.

What is Newton's 3rd law again chumpanzee?


Suuuuuey!! here Suuuuuey!!!!!!

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

oh boo hoo, a nerd got me, ha ha ha ha
Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:59 PM |

Nerds created the net that you yell on & the PC that you espouse your wrong ideas on.

& you want to write public polices?!!

You are going to have to return all the equipment & return to that porch now dumbass.

What is Newton's 3rd law again chumpanzee?


Suuuuuey!! here Suuuuuey!!!!!!

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"Nervous laughter of an imbecile." That's right and I love you rocco00. Will you marry me???

Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

It's the kind of thing people blurt out when they've been drinking and don't realize how drunk they are.

Same as for Rep. Wilson.

Posted by: mattintx | March 22, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"Republicans = just your predominantly very below average white folks."

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oh boo hoo, a nerd got me, ha ha ha ha

Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

that's OK we can give Judas Iscariot a rest now that we have Bart Stupak . . .

Posted by: dennisbyrne | March 22, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha ha ha you're killing me, child.
Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:56 PM |

Nervous laughter of an imbecile.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

SWEET JESUS I LOVE WATCHING REPUBLICANS CRY AND WHINE. GOD BLESS YOU OBAMA FOR YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE THEM SQUEAL LIKE STUCK PIGS.

REPUBLICAN AGENDA 2010: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 22, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Republicans = just your predominantly very below average white folks.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha ha ha you're killing me, child.

Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

SWEET JESUS I LOVE WATCHING REPUBLICANS CRY AND WHINE. GOD BLESS YOU OBAMA FOR YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE THEM SQUEAL LIKE STUCK PIGS.

REPUBLICAN AGENDA 2010: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 22, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"SWEET JESUS I LOVE WATCHING REPUBLICANS CRY AND WHINE. GOD BLESS YOU OBAMA FOR YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE THEM SQUEAL LIKE STUCK PIGS.

REPUBLICAN AGENDA 2010: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH"

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I thought you were an atheist. Ha ha ha ha You goober.

Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

From, "You Lie!" to "Baby Killer!" These are your Republicans at work. Its one thing for us to rant online like this. It is quite another for one party to resort to intimidation, lying, and childish remarks in order to get their point across. The republican leadership must take full responsibility for their caucus's agenda and reprehensible behavior. These are the men and women we chose to represent us in an honorable fashion. It is their duty to respect each others' ideals and ideas. To blatantly ignore decorum and respect like this, leaves nothing but lost hope for the American people that legislatures can do their job. Shame on them all.

Posted by: dougw3 | March 22, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

No brains here at all. How boring.
Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:42 PM |

Speaking of brains - tell us about Newton's 3rd law there moobag?
Cause this is exactly what is happening to you & your ilk.
Revenge is sweetest on the the loudmouths.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The teabaggers didn't merely get teabagged; they just got a Cleveland Steamer.
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LMFAO and on immigration.. we can give the the dirty Sanchez

Posted by: veronihilverius | March 22, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

SWEET JESUS I LOVE WATCHING REPUBLICANS CRY AND WHINE. GOD BLESS YOU OBAMA FOR YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE THEM SQUEAL LIKE STUCK PIGS.

REPUBLICAN AGENDA 2010: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 22, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh that's okay Congressman. You're just following the GOP playbook, don't worry about being offensive. In fact, please continue. I don't think that too many Americans want to emulate you, we really don't want to see ourselves as rude, adolescent, and ugly. So please, continue showing them the real face of the Republican Party. You may actually do something for this country yet.

Posted by: curtb | March 22, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

What an after-the-fact coward Neugebauer is to try to candy-coat what he actually said!!! To add in the words, "it's a..." is a crock claiming that's what you really said. You said what you said...stand up big man and face the music!!! You're another descendent of the old confederacy...and not suprisingly, it's the republican districts who possess the most uninsured people and really could care less about them. You are not the republicans I grew up with. Rather you're the products of racism, the poverty you can thank reagan for as well as for the decay of public education you can also thank reagan/the great satan.

Posted by: bigisle | March 22, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Stupak actually trusts Comrade Obama to keep his word about the Order. Executive Orders can also be rescinded, idiot! You can never trust a commie, just like an islamofascist. They are masters of deception and they have been coached well in the art by the father of lies! Death to the commie progressives!!!

Posted by: Xuanito | March 22, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Texas should succeed. At least we could go down fighting instead of mildewing away.

Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The Republican party continues to show their lack of intelligence, it doesn't take a genius to understand why they're the minority party. Randy Neugebauer is from Texas, does that shock anyone, it shouldn't. This is the state that just re-wrote all the schools history books to align themselves with the rants of Limbaugh & Cheney. The Bush family, Phil Graham & Tom DeLay should be dancing in the streets ... We should give Texas back to Mexico, no intelligent life in the Lonesome star state. !!

Posted by: wasaUFO | March 22, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Last night was the climax of weeks and months of debate on a health-care bill that my constituents fear and do not support .... ....I remain heartbroken over the passage of this bill and the tragic consequences it will have for the unborn
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Who spend months stoking the fear? Look in the mirror.

If more women facing pregnancy and childbirth have health insurance to cover the costs, this bill will likely decrease the number of abortions. But it's not really abortions that Neugebauer and his colleagues care about, it is about using abortion as a bloody-flag issue to achieve power. For shame.

Posted by: j2hess | March 22, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

>>>>>Neugebauer represents a North Texas district and has co-sponsored a bill to require presidential candidates to produce birth certificates to prove their eligibility for office.

Neugebauer is a Teabagger and a birther!
Holy Moly! and now the GOP has allowed the John Birch Society to re-enter the party after throwing them out decades ago!

Posted by: angie12106 | March 22, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Is the GOP and this retarded Congressman trying to foment the assassination of another duly elected member of Congress?

Posted by: jade_7243 | March 22, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Remind me, why can't we let Texas secede again?

Posted by: joebanks | March 22, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Come out into the street "and engage in dialog," Muawiyeh? You mean Republican teabaggie kindergarten "dialog" spitting? Ya 'ayb 'alayk!

Posted by: AboonaJoe | March 22, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

You don't get it son. There will some be too many Democratic votes to have any choice on anything at all.

Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha ha ha Like he would do anything else but what he is told to by the powers that be.
Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:38 PM |

Buwahhahahahaa - go back to your medz c#ntbag. Better to do something for your community instead of sitting in the rocking chair on the porch chirpi like a fat hayena.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I am not a native Texan, I lived there for five years, and I can proudly say that I didn't learn to be so stupid as at least two Texas Representatives - yelling in the chambers of Congress. I guess that you can't really take the redneck out of those Texans. It would appear that they should have learned some manners before being elected. But then, some don't take the training as well as others.

Posted by: ronjeske | March 22, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

After reading the string, two things pop out: people who oppose the HCR bill attack Stupak, Obama, Pelosi, etc. on a personal level; people who supported the bill try to answer by citing facts about the bill. You're not talking the same language. Unfortunately for about 30 years Democrats have tried to argue from the position of logic and facts, and the Republicans have won the arguments by appealing to base instincts and simple rhetoric, and using the classic 3g wedge issues- guns, God and gays. Need a war in the ME? 9/11 was the perfect chance, except Afganistan wasn't on the neocon radar- Iraq was. OK, just lie enough about Hussein's intentions, capabilities (WMD and non-existant nuke program), and overall his involvement in 9/11- presto chango- there's your war. The list goes on. Back to Stupak - I didn't like his position because I think abortion availability is part of a women's health care, unique to women, and a decision best left to the pregnant woman and her doctor and family. I know women who have had abortions and it was not "on demand" or any other nonsense - it was an agonizing decision and they live with the consequences. However, his statement Sun PM was heart felt and right on the point - my estimation of him has gone up considerably. There has always been a disconnect for me when people who are so (violently) pro-life will not take on the same responsibility after the child is born, when he can't get health care, when his schools are crumbling, college isn't even a dream, and he winds up canon-fodder or a low wage worker bee on whose back others get rich. Whether or not Democrats get re-elected in Nov is inmaterial- they did the job they were elected to do- represent our interests instead of their own. I'm an elected official and I can tell you sometimes you have to do what's right however that impacts your future in office. Representing the electorate at any level is an awesome responsibility which I try to live up to- that members of our national Congress can behave so immaturely is disappointing to say the least - it doesn't belong there if you take your job seriously. Politics and governing are not the same thing.

Posted by: blackhawk666 | March 22, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

No brains here at all. How boring.

Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Neugebauer was right. All those Anti-Abortion democrats all got Duped by the leftist in the DNC.. Replace them ALL in November.

Posted by: AlbyVA | March 22, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

First order of business after the election will be to expel Democrats from the House like so much week old garbage.
That'll change the numbers on the 2/3's needed.
Posted by: muawiyah | March 22, 2010 2:25 PM |

Why so quick to judgement?
You faggles were in control from 2002-2006 with majorities in the House and Senate.
So why not 4 full years b1tches?

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 22, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"The President is doing what we hired him to do. He's moving America FORWARD. Don't let a minority of unrepentant racists dictate what our agenda should be."
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Ha ha ha ha Like he would do anything else but what he is told to by the powers that be.

Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I betting this bill doesn't result in a single additional abortion, in fact it will reduce them, since the access to health care coverage will remove a major economic motive for abortions.
Of course the opponents know this, the abortion debate was total BS.
Its time to restore civil and intellectual debate to Congress, and stop acting like children. Disagree, defend your position, argue your point, but if you lie, at least do not use sad, unproven lies like death panels, or the abortion claim.
Demand that your Congress person do their job, and defend your or at least their beliefs using well argued points, and not with the roar of the crowd. The only reason not to is if you know your point has no merit.

Posted by: Muddy_Buddy_2000 | March 22, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

GOP is so classy.

Posted by: basket | March 22, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

It's very sad that the opposition has used rhetoric instead of argument, and vituperation instead of negotiation; with Neugebauer's conduct being the cherry-on-top. The polarization that had resulted is a disaster for democratic institutions.

And for all the Republican protestations that they are in favor of healthcare reform, all I can say is where was that interest between 2001 and 2009?

Posted by: kabej | March 22, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

neither the bill nor Stupak is a baby killer. The Senate language and the House language were both strong enough to earn pro-life cred. Republicans are just using the fact that Stupak's version was arguably stronger (that can be debated) and that he accepted the Senate version plus the EO as an excuse to attack the process being used to pass the senate bill and a reconciliation bill. If Stupak had written a whole new law making abortion a capital offense for mother and doctor, and the Senate had said death to doctors but life without parole for the moms, and Stupak had accepted that, they would still be calling him a baby killer even though with no bill there would be neither provision. it's pathetic.

Posted by: JoeT1 | March 22, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

The President is doing what we hired him to do. He's moving America FORWARD. Don't let a minority of unrepentant racists dictate what our agenda should be.

Posted by: roedel74 | March 22, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Republican Pro-Life: Don't kill a fetus.
Ok to kill Iraqis, Afghans, or Americans without healthcare.

In a perfect world abortion would be legal and no one would ever have one.

Posted by: chucky-el | March 22, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

So he's uncouth AND he's a wuss. He was referring to the bill, not Stupak, rigggghhht. Bet it took him all night sweating to think up that excuse, that's why he took so long to own up. But don't mess with Texas, LOL.

Posted by: hitpoints | March 22, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha ha ha children,children, go out and play in the street.

Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

rickedelson ~ you're talking about the old code of silence, right?

They still follow some of the other codes ~ and given the national political condition, I think you can count on some of your political opposition to think it long overdue to reinstitute some of those codes in the broader public life.

Be careful in public eh!

Posted by: muawiyah | March 22, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Well, well....A birther and a shouter. He probably thinks if you drive west of El Paso, you fall off of the edge of the flat earth.

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | March 22, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

You're right Moondoggie. But these poor people of the electorate won't even know what hit them. They are so easily distracted with things as minor as insults to crooked politicians.

Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Sweet Jesus look at the Republicans cry! What a great day for America.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 22, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Not a Democrat on this or other WarshPost threads has the C.O.Jones' to come out in the street and engage in dialogue.

This Fall's campaign will have Republicans canvasing neighborhoods and Democrats cowering in TV studios.

First order of business after the election will be to expel Democrats from the House like so much week old garbage.

That'll change the numbers on the 2/3's needed.

Posted by: muawiyah | March 22, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who puts a vote to the killing of the unborn, is a baby killer.

Hitler never actually did any of the killing himself. Yet, we say that "Hitler killed."

When a person calls for the killing of people, then that person is a killer.

Debra J.M. Smith
of
Informing Christians

Posted by: DebraJMSmith | March 22, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

No wonder you're so confused.

Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

From one of our early Presidents (and highly regarded by Liberals and "Progressives"):

"I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." --Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Ludlow, 1824

This is a sad day for our Republic. We are evolving into a Socialist state where the Federal Government bows to the lowest possible common denominator of humankind. Non-existent work ethics are rewarded, school children are taught with lessons geared to the slowest of students, and now, with this abomination of misguided entitlement called the Health Reform Act, we have cradle to grave Socialist State oversight in all our most personal matters.

Well boys and girls, the mindless electorate got what it asked for - socialism, economic stagnation, a dumbing down of America, and a free lunch for all...whether they deserve it or not.

21 March 2010 will live in infamy.

Posted by: MoonDoggie | March 22, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

A Birther from Texas now trying to lie about what he said. he didn't say "It's a baby killer". he called Stupak a "baby killer".

I don't like Rep. Stupak. I don't like what he stands for. I don't like his association with The Family. But what was done to him was WRONG. And I have to give Rep. Neugebauer a little credit for not giving the usual "if anyone was offended" non-apology. But he's supposed to be an adult. Maybe think before opening his mouth next time?

Posted by: lmb02 | March 22, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

What a dick.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | March 22, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha ha ha I couldn't care less dummies.

Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

It's over kids, bye bye American Pie.

By the way I am an independent, so please don't label me as a Republican or whatever other mud you might want to sling.

Posted by: JudiBug
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Oh, good, so non-partisan, over-dramatic buffoon will do as a label for you...

Posted by: LABC | March 22, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Judi, please stop your Republican spew.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 22, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

What a "bummer" for the Republicans. All that hate and racism totally wasted - they must really be PISSED! (LOL)

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | March 22, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about Stupak?? The Democrats just proved they can take over America and will. The next step is an amnesty which will give them the votes they need to stay in power.

It's over kids, bye bye American Pie.

By the way I am an independent, so please don't label me as a Republican or whatever other mud you might want to sling.

Posted by: JudiBug | March 22, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"How's that hopey, changey stuff workin' out for ya?" Just fine, Teabagger.

Posted by: forhall | March 22, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

JHR1, UNAMERICAN PIECE OF TRASH. HOWS IT FEEL TODAY TO BE A HUGE LOSER. PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS EVERY OTHER DAY, EH YOU FUQING PIECE OF TALIBAN TRASH. ROFL SIT DOWN BIYATCH.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 22, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Someone has a problem with calling it what it is?

Posted by: websmith1 | March 22, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Keep on whining, teabaggers! The rest of us are really, really enjoying it!

Posted by: thrh | March 22, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it interesting not only that nobody is willing to 'fess up to the childish behavior, but all of his buddies are rallying around to hide his identity, just like a schoolyard gang. Meanwhile, others try to justify the shameful behavior in the chamber and on the Capitol steps, primarily by further slandering their opponents with all manner of demagoguery, exaggeration, and warnings of an impending apocalypse.

It seems these guys need a little time out...

Posted by: ScottinNC | March 22, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

swatkins1..tell me where yo live, i'll come over and give you the chance.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 22, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

It was just confirmed that the "screamer" was Randy Neugabaur of Tx. He's issued a statement and an apology.

Posted by: jerzygrl | March 22, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I cannot tell you how disgusted I am with repubic-hairs. They have become the crabs of the sexual world. Enough of them. The problem is that they are so cowardly, they take off their flag lapel pins when they leave Chambers so no one will be able to know they are scum. The liitle boys need it carved in their inglorious basterd foreheads.

Posted by: swatkins1 | March 22, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

SWEET JESUS I LOVE WATCHING REPUBLICANS CRY AND WHINE. GOD BLESS YOU OBAMA FOR YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE THEM SQUEAL LIKE STUCK PIGS.

REPUBLICAN AGENDA 2010: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

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Posted by: jhr1 | March 22, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

the washington post should be able to figure this out by the end of the day.
This is not watergate. Who was it in the GOP Texas and Cali delagations?

the media should not let the heckler get a pass. I demand accountablility.

Posted by: joejoe2000 | March 22, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

The teabaggers didn't merely get teabagged; they just got a Cleveland Steamer.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | March 22, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

The WP is a liberal tabloid. It does not surprise me that most of the posts are pro-libturds.

BTW, how good is a bill that passed with "sweet deal" votes where a poll proved majority of americans disapproved of this bill?

To hell with Barack Obama!

Posted by: phackyoutwice | March 22, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The WP is a liberal tabloid. It does not surprise me that most of the posts are pro-libturds.

BTW, how good is a bill that passed with "sweet deal" votes where a poll proved majority of americans disapproved of this bill?

To hell with Barack Obama!

Posted by: phackyoutwice | March 22, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Executive Order - Not A fix - Stupak was Duped - This was a sad day for our country - like watching the towers come down but Americans were bringing them down and Americans were cheering -
Democrats quit being so angry and mean - you won - right - let's see what happens next before you brag too much - I have a feeling your kids will not be cheering - That is if you actually quit being so mean long enough to have kids

Posted by: paula_48 | March 22, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Even though the Mafia no longer follows the Omertà, we can count on our Congressional Republicans to keep its spirit alive. I'm sure Don Corleone would be proud...

Posted by: rickedelson | March 22, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

To all of you who by "liberal" mean anyone who isn't completely aligned with the hard right, this full slip into racial epithets and "baby killer" ravings is going to blow up in your face. I'm sure that everyone you talk to and everyone who hangs on FOX's every word have convinced you that 99% of the country was against health care and reading some dire threat to our entire way of life. Well that's how I felt when presidential-selectee GW Bush, a ventriloquist's dummy, and his controllers Cheney and Rove were fabricating evidence for war and then first thing making sure their contractor buddies (Halliburton comes to mind )would be well taken care of. Then to watch the Republican Congress act like "drunk sailors", the words of John McCain, and gleefully raise the deficit without one bit of shame or constraint. And more and more and more. I didn't hear you fine, patriotic Americans raising your voices in protest over that. So it's just politics and love of conservatism, not country. Your side lost an election because your side stunk and in true right wing fashion, the sky is falling because the "liberals" are in charge. No, not the liberals, just the people who don't see your solutions as even half rational. Keep up the spewing and the foaming at the mouth. You don't have as big a crowd behind you as you think.

Posted by: curtb | March 22, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

After reading some of the hateful and ignorant posts from the T-sippen morons and knuckleheads of the right, all I have to say is -

Bring on the Death Pannels!

Posted by: alfa73 | March 22, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Talk about the Pot Calling The Kettle Black.
All of congress are baby killers.The wars of just the past 10 yeras have killed thousands of babies and children and moms and dads and grandmas and grandpas and uncles and aunts and cousins.War Crimes we will all pay for.

Posted by: BDENK | March 22, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Even though the Mafia no longer follows the Omertà, Congressional Republicans remain true to its spirit. Sorta gives new meaning to the phrase "organized crime."

Posted by: rickedelson | March 22, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but both parties and their most fervent followers are mindless sycophants totally devoid of any critical thinking skills or at least any interest in exercising them. The parties and their minions are a plague on this country and are dragging it into the abyss while each is screaming childish rants at the other and holding religious-like belief that even the most ridiculous of their party's proclamations are sacrosanct and their leaders infallible.

Grow up.

Posted by: uscsmog | March 22, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

So...to recap:

almost 9 years ago this country was attacked by a nameless, faceless enemy. For the next 7 years Liberals did everything they could to stab Republicans in the back while they tried to fight this enemy. Whenever Republicans tried to bring up that, hey, maybe we should work together to fight this enemy instead of fighting each other, Liberals would trot out a series of slogans. It is with great pleasure that I now trot out those same slogans that Liberals taught us all so well.

"Hey! You can't Censor me! I GOT MY RIGHTS!"

"Free speach is Patriotic!"

oo and my favorite,

"SOMEONE HAS TO SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER!!!!"

Posted by: RJ14
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You have a bright future awaiting you writing history textbooks for Texas.

Posted by: st50taw | March 22, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

LarryG62:

"Stupidpak is just another pro abortion dishonest liberal democrat piece of feces..."

LarryG baby - I find it very hard to gauge the depths of your ignorance and hate. You are off the scale.

You and the rest of the Republicans have been been doing nothing but spewing "feces" at the American people - acting like a bunch of ignorant apes.

Bad monkey - no bananna for you!

Posted by: alfa73 | March 22, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

SWEET JESUS I LOVE WATCHING REPUBLICANS CRY AND WHINE. GOD BLESS YOU OBAMA FOR YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE THEM SQUEAL LIKE STUCK PIGS.

REPUBLICAN AGENDA 2010: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 22, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Look at all the name calling going on from the left and they accuse republicans of being racist.

Posted by: ForMcCain | March 22, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"unpluggedboodah - your age and ignorance is showing.

Posted by: ForMcCain"

MCCAIN/PALIN '08 = A TICKET FOR FOOLS

I FEEL YOUR PAIN TODAY, CHUMP. THIS MUST REMIND YOU OF THAT FATEFUL DAY IN NOV '08

MCCAIN ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFL

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 22, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

unpluggedboodah - your age and ignorance is showing.

Posted by: ForMcCain | March 22, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

SWEET JESUS I LOVE WATCHING REPUBLICANS CRY AND WHINE. GOD BLESS YOU OBAMA FOR YOUR ABILITY TO MAKE THEM SQUEAL LIKE STUCK PIGS.

REPUBLICAN AGENDA 2010: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 22, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

No, executive orders don't change law. That's irrelevant, because the health reform bill doesn't need any changing on abortion. It never funded abortions, and federal law already prohibits funding abortions, and no one proposed repealing that law. The EO doesn't contradict anything in the bill (for that reason), it just directs agencies to comply strictly with the Hyde amendment, which is the law.

Repubs will stoop to anything. Stupak's pro life credentials are impeccable. Attacking him for being content with the pro life provisions of the Senate bill plus the EO is simply fraudulent. They were just using the fact that he couldn't keep his original language in the bill because of the need to pass the senate bill as a way to attack. it's despicable. There never was much difference between Stupak's language and the Senate's pro-life language. and both went further than current law.

Posted by: JoeT1 | March 22, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"Democrats go on the idea that the masses are dumb and need to be taken care of, I would have to say after reading the posts coming from the left, they are correct.

Posted by: ForMcCain "

Says the McCain supporter rofl. Nice campaign in '08 fool.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 22, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

The results of this health care decision will be horrible.

http://www.communislam.com/health-care-266

Posted by: servant119b | March 22, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Democrats go on the idea that the masses are dumb and need to be taken care of, I would have to say after reading the posts coming from the left, they are correct.

Posted by: ForMcCain | March 22, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

The first person elected President of the United States from the Republican Party was Abraham Lincoln in the election of 1860. Many white Southerners believed that Lincoln was an abolitionist and that he intended to end slavery as soon as he took office. Lincoln endorsed the official Republican philosophy that opposed slavery, but he, like the majority of other Republicans, firmly believed that the federal government could not end slavery where it already existed. The federal government could exclude slavery from any new states or territories. Many white Southerners did not believe Lincoln and his fellow Republicans, and seven Southern states seceded from the Union, quickly followed by four additional ones. The Southern states leaving the Union resulted in the American Civil War.
The North triumphed in the Civil War, and the Republican Party emerged as the dominant political force in the United States for the next fifty years. Between 1860 and 1912, Republicans won every presidential election except for two. Northerners overwhelmingly supported the Republican Party. In the South, a majority of African Americans supported the Republican Party, while only a small percentage of whites did so. Most white Southerners objected to the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution, which granted African Americans their freedom, equal protection under the law, and the right to vote to black men. Republicans were the ones to amend the Constitution. As a result of this, most white Southerners joined the Democratic Party. They could not support the Republican Party, since it was the Republicans who had ended slavery and had led the North to victory over the South in the Civil War.

Posted by: Micholina1 | March 22, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

By the way I'm laughing at all the vile racist puke-filled Republicants on this forum who got rammed down the throat yesterday. Eat it Taliban.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 22, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Can we give Texas back to Mexico? Hell, the entire South.

Posted by: unpluggedboodah | March 22, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Stupidpak is just another pro abortion dishonest liberal democrat piece of feces. Nothing more.

Posted by: LarryG62 | March 22, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey, whoever said Baby Killer was just "Stating the Obvious", or do you think the word "abortion" means something different?
What's next, The Obama Police will tell us we can't talk about abortion?
Nancy Pelosi has called Tea Party people names, so stop Whining, stop Crying....
or Nancy-the-Government-Nanny will force you to go to government-paid Mental health counseling.

Posted by: ohioan | March 22, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, the Republican Party is now just a bunch of old white men(except for Boehner, what color if he now, orange??) afraid of change.

Posted by: johnschmahl1 | March 22, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Stupak Fooled: Dem Says Executive Order Can't Change Law

Posted by: Micholina1 | March 22, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

If misogynistic racist homophobes had any testicular fortitude, they wouldn't wear white sheets and hide behind a cross. I do, however, love the lingering smell of the exploded head of a right wing extremist. There were so many after Obama won the election, and now a fresh crop.

Fear, Hatred, Distortion, Distraction and Division. It's all they've got to offer.

Posted by: thebobbob | March 22, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

What I can't decide is whether the Republicans in Congress who were cheerleading the protestors on Saturday are really so incensed that they feel compelled to drop their roles as representatives, or are cynically trying to front run the Teabag types, who they see as the next incarnation of the "values" voters their party so artfully manipulated throug several election cycles? I suspect it's cynicism, since do any of them really think that Obama represents the death of freedom, of democracy and a slide into radical socialism? If they understood any of these concepts, I doubt they would be mouthing these slanders. But it seems in their desperation to retake Congress, Republicans are willing to echo even the most delusional views borrowed from the fringe they are cultivating.

Posted by: gratianus | March 22, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

So...to recap:

almost 9 years ago this country was attacked by a nameless, faceless enemy. For the next 7 years Liberals did everything they could to stab Republicans in the back while they tried to fight this enemy. Whenever Republicans tried to bring up that, hey, maybe we should work together to fight this enemy instead of fighting each other, Liberals would trot out a series of slogans. It is with great pleasure that I now trot out those same slogans that Liberals taught us all so well.

"Hey! You can't Censor me! I GOT MY RIGHTS!"

"Free speach is Patriotic!"

oo and my favorite,

"SOMEONE HAS TO SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER!!!!"

Posted by: RJ14 | March 22, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

We WILL know by the day's end ...who said that...! Washington is like that...Remember Republicans...like to send people off to be killed..they don't believe in helping people live.

Posted by: Mamanomia | March 22, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

This name calling reminds me of grade school. And the Republicans don't even have the cahones to admit who in the ranks did it. But who cares. This party has been known for nothing more than prolific name calling and "the sky is falling" rhetoric when their ideology is breached. Elect them in the fall? To what? For what?

Posted by: sassafrasnewport | March 22, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

When these wanna be Republicans were the Dixiecrats they were just as rude and ill mannered. Nothing has changed in 60 years. They'd bring back Jim Crow if they could. Stupak had to wrestle with his faith on this one. The good sisters won out over the bishops. They are the single biggest Health Provider in this country.Stupaks district is huge with a large Catholic Population. He had to have heard from home that the folks in the North Woods wanted him to vote for the Health Care Bill.

Posted by: johnturkal1 | March 22, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

When these wanna be Republicans were the Dixiecrats they were just as rude and ill mannered. Nothing has changed in 60 years. They'd bring back Jim Crow if they could. Stupak had to wrestle with his faith on this one. The good sisters won out over the bishops. They are the single biggest Health Provider in this country.Stupaks district is huge with a large Catholic Population. He had to have heard from home that the folks in the North Woods wanted him to vote for the Health Care Bill.

Posted by: johnturkal1 | March 22, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

hey Cuppajoe... incase you have forgotten what Charleton Heston said " OUT OF OUR COLD DEAD HANDS" You & your pin head associates haven't a clue. You only repeat the diatribe the useful idiots espouse. There are presently 30 plus states which have made concealed carry a states constitutional right and it's growing. And for your information we would like to reward President Obama for being responsible for selling the most guns in history.

Posted by: landr11 | March 22, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

As someone who has spent most of his adult life actually killing babies, I find it offensive that the title "baby killer" be bestowed upon someone who hasn't actually earned it.

Killing babies is hard work and throwing the term "baby killer" around willy-nilly undermines the level of respect that those of us in the field have worked so hard to achieve.

To the Republicans or anyone else who lacks a sense of humor: I am being sarcastic. I don't really kill babies. It's a joke. Understand?

Posted by: ewexler1 | March 22, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: jhr1 | March 22, 2010 10:28 AM"

My gawd, you sound like a six year old. Get some mental health care before you regress too far.

Posted by: jvlem | March 22, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"before you call the Republicans the kkk, remember that the only klansman in the senate was bryd of west virginia..."

Anyone see Byrd in a sheet lately? He's answered for his past. The cowardly republican adolescent, (is there any other kind?), still seeks his anonymity the sheet is meant to provide. I guess they take their cues from the morally compromised talkers they worship-that jiggly bunch of testosterone-challenged, marriage-failing, race-baiting junkies that provide their moral compass.

Posted by: whereareweandwhatarewedoinginthishandbasket | March 22, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

So, in essence, the whole Pro-Life stance in the GOP is a sham. When the Catholic Reporter and Catholic nuns support the bill because it bans funding for abortions, and when the most Pro-Life Democrat votes for it, the GOP yells Baby-Killer.

Why?

Because the GOP is out to destroy Democrats and only uses abortion as a tool. They don't care a bit about it.

Posted by: Dan25 | March 22, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

His name should be changed to Bart Stupid. Unless he got a big payoff for his vote, he got nothing from Obama but an opinion on paper which is worth about as much as the paper.Of course so went all these sell outs. Hopefully, they will receive their retirement papers come November. Sadly all the useful idiots will fall in line by election time and vote for the corruption again because they know nothing.

Posted by: landr11 | March 22, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Think about what was said for a second. Someone considers it "baby killing" for people to have health insurance which also covers abortion, rather than the status quo of no health insurance at all.

Adult killers!

Posted by: jeffwacker | March 22, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Think about what was said for a second. Someone considers it "baby killing" for people to have health insurance which also covers abortion, rather than the status quo of no health insurance at all.

Adult killers!

Posted by: jeffwacker | March 22, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter how Bart Stupak or the Democratic Party tries to spin this, Bart sold his soul for what? Obama can try, but he can not legally guarantee anything for Stupak and his so called Blue-Dogs. Come the mid-terms, Stupak and a lot of incumbents are going to have to find another vocation, unless they want to apply for one of the 16000 jobs Obama just created for the IRS because of this Health-Care Bill, isn't it amazing how easy it is to create a government job, which actually produces nothing. Next will be illegal amnesty, is this a wonderful country or what.

Posted by: wmccarns | March 22, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Can you imagine what would have happened if a Democrat yelled "liar" at President Bush when he claimed the Iraqis had WMD's and were pursuing a nuclear program. They would have been run out of town.

Posted by: Evan.Rosenberg@Gmail.Com | March 22, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

The GOP and their Tea Bagger supporters are now revealed as the racist, anti-woman slime that most clear thinking Americans always believed them to be.

The Party of No has devolved into a gaggle of bigoted maniacs babbling inanely about "socialism, communism, and baby-killing."

Thank goodness for the Democratic Party and President Obama who had the courage to stand up for American values and the American people in this historic triumph.

Future generations will look upon this crowd of Republicans with contempt and utter revulsion.

Posted by: dee5 | March 22, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

These are types of comments that are expected from these people. It's not a surprise at all.

Their agitating of the idiot Tea Baggers was obvious as well.

They're really gonna be pissed when we take their guns away ...

We've got 7 years to get that done, health care bill in less than a year and a half ... gun control legislation? ... 2 years MAX.

We've got to get guns out of these peoples hands ASAP. They're crazy.

Posted by: cuppajoe | March 22, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

These are types of comments that are expected from these people. It's not a surprise at all.

Their agitating of the idiot Tea Baggers was obvious as well.

They're really gonna be pissed when we take their guns away ...

We've got 7 years to get that done, health care bill in less than a year and a half ... banning guns ... 2 years MAX.

Posted by: cuppajoe | March 22, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

it must have been one of Rick Perry's Texas Secessionists.

Posted by: malachhamovess | March 22, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

So there are no racist in the Democratic Party? What a joke this article is. When Liberals make racist comments, you won't find it on the cover of the Washington Compost or NY Slimes. They all get away with it. KKK Byrd used the N word several times in the past. Howard Dean utterly denegrated blacks when making a comment that Repulicans could not get this many black fols in a room unless they invited the cleaning crew. Hillary denegrated Hispanic Woman when telling them she may need them to bring their brooms and cleaning supplies to help clean out the White House. The same blacks who complain about Republicans gave Harry Reid a pass on his Negro Dialect Statement about Obama. Same old tired racist games from the Left. They know they will be in trouble come November so might as well as start playing the race game early to see if it sticks. How about the disgraceful treatment shown by that Racist Congress Woman Shelia Jackson Lee's who talked on her cell phone instead of focusing on a WHITE WOMNAN at a town hall who was telling the Congress Woman about her bout with Cancer. You gave her a pass. Bet your sweet AS_ that Lee would have not treated her Black Sisters the same way. Liberals Suck!
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Well take it from a black man.... ALL white people basically suck... if your not one of them What choice do we have but pick the lesser of two groups that suck?

Posted by: veronihilverius | March 22, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The Goofy Old Party is really stooping to a low I've never seen before in politics. Do they not care about those people who already are alive, who are going to die because they cannot afford their medicine or medical treatment for serious illnesses? What world are they living in?

Posted by: moose1063 | March 22, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

The comment was another example of the "teaparty" mentality that has become the hallmark of the Republican Party.

The refusal of Republican members of Congress to reveal the identity of the congressman who made the comment apparently is based upon some Mafia like code that " you don't rat on" your fellow Republicans no matter how reprehensible their conduct.

Posted by: WESHS49 | March 22, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Well, if this individual from the GOP doesn't step forward and take personal responsibility for thier actions, then I guess all that GOP rhetoric about personal responsibility and integrity IS just talk.

Posted by: jmdziuban1 | March 22, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I believe the phrase is, "If the shoe fits...."

Way to sell your soul, Stupak. Your opponent next fall has just received a tidal wave of supporters and dollars. It started at about 4:15 p.m. yesterday and didn't stop all night.

Hope it was worth it. The tsunami's coming for you too on 11/2/2010.

Posted by: etpietro | March 22, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Unbelievable. Theey pulled out every dirty trick they could think of, they disembled every lie and distortion they could think of, they ratcheted up the rhetoric and tension as high as they could in an effeort to distract from the real issues and fire -up the basest members of thier base. When recognizing it all failed, the bill would pass and all thier actions and lies would soon be exposed they have now totally lost it. Cheering disruptions from the gallery and now this, both with not even a hint of shame for they are shameless. We now also see they prefer to do things with the cover of anonimity as part of a faceless mob and will not come forward and be accountable for thier actions, true GOP courage. Despicable.

Posted by: jmdziuban1 | March 22, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Cobra2

Liberals don't suck. They just have a conscience and a sense of morality that suggests they're human. Cowards who yell out vitriolic stupidity on the House floor...they suck.

Posted by: eddie111 | March 22, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

palmettostatesman and cobra2

Some people might want to shout out that people like you are moronic scumbags, but sometimes it is better to just think it, and not say anything.

Posted by: daweeni | March 22, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

This qualifies as the most ignorant post of the day (so far).


Posted by: eddie111 | March 22, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Obviously you only read your own posts. See all the socialist are out in full force today. Just a bunch of thieves in Congressmans clothing. Liberals Suck!

Posted by: Cobra2 | March 22, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

So wait, someone who is anti-abortion is a "baby killer"?

Someone will have to explain it too me.

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: jayrockers | March 22, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

So there are no racist in the Democratic Party? What a joke this article is. When Liberals make racist comments, you won't find it on the cover of the Washington Compost or NY Slimes. They all get away with it. KKK Byrd used the N word several times in the past. Howard Dean utterly denegrated blacks when making a comment that Repulicans could not get this many black fols in a room unless they invited the cleaning crew. Hillary denegrated Hispanic Woman when telling them she may need them to bring their brooms and cleaning supplies to help clean out the White House. The same blacks who complain about Republicans gave Harry Reid a pass on his Negro Dialect Statement about Obama. Same old tired racist games from the Left. They know they will be in trouble come November so might as well as start playing the race game early to see if it sticks. How about the disgraceful treatment shown by that Racist Congress Woman Shelia Jackson Lee's who talked on her cell phone instead of focusing on a WHITE WOMNAN at a town hall who was telling the Congress Woman about her bout with Cancer. You gave her a pass. Bet your sweet AS_ that Lee would have not treated her Black Sisters the same way. Liberals Suck!

Posted by: Cobra2 | March 22, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The whole Democrat Party and the Washington Post are "Baby Killers". When I was young and a liberal democrat, I was proud of the Democrat Party and liberals who stood up for the world's children. Now they yell kill the kids to solve any problem. Global warming too many people kill the kids. Not enough jobs-kill the kids.

Posted by: BPYLE47998 | March 22, 2010 12:21 AM |
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This qualifies as the most ignorant post of the day (so far).

Posted by: eddie111 | March 22, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

There are a lot of hopefuls out there who are cocksure that the Dems will get clobbered in the next election because "a majority" of Americans are supposedly against the health care bill. Take a look at where the votes came from through this link to the New York Times that shows the congressional districts and how their representatives voted:

http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/111/house/2/165?ref=policy

It's clear that the areas with the greatest population are for the bill. It's the usual red/blue divide. Now Obama needs to keep these areas supporting his policies. If he does that, and tonight's bill was a great first step, then the Dems will win the next election and Obama his second term in 2012.

Posted by: RichardHode | March 22, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Some Republicans are letting their tempers get the best of them. Yes, it must be frustrating to see colleagues across the partisan divide wither into spineless jellyfish when their leader beckons but still- some things are better left unsaid. Sure , it's ok to think it and it's probably true... but still.

Posted by: palmettostatesman | March 22, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Cause Stupak declared a reversal,
A teabagger shouting a curse'll
Hide out till a grownup
Will finally own up
That coverage ain't universal.

News Short n' Sweet by JFD8
http://twitter.com/JFD8

Posted by: jd121 | March 22, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are nothing but frightened little children that cry when they lose. Democrats have out foxed the GOP both politacly and intelectualy. HC reform, for now, is not perfect. To think that it ends here is more of the same shallow, shortsighted GOP "thinking". But the Dems have (nearly) accomplished something that was only a pipe dream for B. Clinton 20 years ago. Think about it. The GOP has extorted Americans into paying way too much for crapy health insurance for over 20 f'in years! It's about time the Dems have shouted out to the GOP a procedural "F YOU!!"

Posted by: KJR1 | March 22, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

you stay classy, repukes.

Posted by: LABC | March 22, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

These southerners are really getting even more ignorant, racist and hateful than ever before.

So glad health reform passed. After awhile, even the toothless, illiterate and hateful racists in rural Talbot County Maryland will see the benefit - or not.

LOL

Posted by: JaneDoe4 | March 22, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we should just dispense with the fake civility and just have our reps duke it out like they do in Taiwan and South Korea. Or at least shout each other down with no shame like in England!

Posted by: nuzuw | March 22, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Perplexing that so many so called pro-life advocates are opposed to health care reform. If they truly care about the unborn then why don't they care about the prenatal care their mothers receive? Of course voting for health care because it might provide better prenatal care for mothers and their unborn will never get you any votes with tea baggers who prefer to believe that Democrats are "baby killers."

Posted by: MC55 | March 22, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Yoy're right, I do dream at night of hating that lousy commie as**ole.We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama,We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama,We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama,We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama,We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama

Posted by: jhr1 | March 22, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Whomever said it is a coward. Those around that person know who it was, and they too are cowards.

At least have the stones to step up and face the consequences of your right to free speech.

Cowards!

Posted by: HillRat | March 22, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

The southern Republican who yelled "baby killer" at Rep. Stupak should be outed and censured. He shames US voters and the US Congress, proving that under-qualified and ill-suited individuals can be elected to this high position.

He was not prepared for the session as he clearly did not read the legislation. He is a dangerous man as he has no idea what goes on in the horrible wars we have waged. He must believe US missiles selectively avoid babies and pregnant women.

He should be sent back to his home district to tend to the needs of pregnant women who hope to carry their babies to term, but are poor, sick, or risk giving birth to infants with congenital diseases or disabilities.

Posted by: IAmend | March 22, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

jhr1 wrote: "... We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama, ..." -- Happy to know that (hating) Obama is consuming so much of your time. You must dream of (hating) him at night all the time too.

Posted by: KT11 | March 22, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Stupak is now FACILITATING abortion. Quite a reversal of his previous claims.

Even IF the Obumbler promise is fulfilled, and there is no assurrance of that, an EO isn't codified Law, otherwise, what's Congress needed for, window dressing?

Eliminating 219 DEEM-n-rats this November is the way to assure that this Bill is never fulfilled and those future abortions never take place on the accounts of the American People.

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Posted by: dumpbama | March 22, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

If so Yay for louie go baby go.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 22, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

So if they're pretty sure it was a Texas Republican, thinking real hard about what Texas Republican is rude, impolitic and crazy enough to shout such a thing, we arrive at an obvious answer: Louie Gohmert. I have no doubt in my mind that it was him, all evidence considered. Some reporter should just go and try to confirm that.

Posted by: SeanMagicFan | March 22, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama,We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama,We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama,We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama,We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack obama, We hate Barack Obama, We hate Barack Obama

Posted by: jhr1 | March 22, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Texas Republicans, famous for their rugged sense of independence and wide open spaces between their ears.

Posted by: davecoyne | March 22, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Although I am against the re-election of Bart Stupak because of the disdain he has demonstrated for women, I had to admire the words he used last night when he spoke against the motion to re-commit.

He spoke on the impact of the health care bill on preganant women. He spoke on the pre-natal care that will now be more available to those who don't have insurance.

It was the first time I had heard him make any statement that showed his concern for the woman, not the zygote.

Perhaps he is realizing that the best way to prevent abortion is to help women.

Posted by: goodgovernment | March 22, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I think it is high time there were some new rules and punishments adopted for our House and Senate! This guy should have been removed from the room and fined, reprimanded. This has gone on long enough. From low life Cheney shouting obscenities, to the 'liar' guy heckling our President, to this one last night shouting 'baby killer'. Enough is enough! we need to start a petition and demand that our reps conduct themselves in a professional manner rather than drunk, immature college boys.

Posted by: Hillary08 | March 22, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

***The state of confusion aka california spends billions on healthcare not to mention cig taxes for additional healthcare for children.Now that this is passed will all those taxes and spending be halted?Also included in healthcare is clean housing and food access to transportation.No use fixing a person then depositing him on the street.Where do we stop?
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Most of this healthcare is not for the poor and homeless. It is for people, who through no fault of their own, lost their insurance and cannot obtain a private insurance policy. People who lost their job and can't afford COBRA. People who have pre-existing conditions private insurers won't touch. People who (and it can only take a few years) have met their lifetime cap because of serious illness. People who are self-employed. People who work in a small business environment. Most are hard-working, responsible people that have a "clean" home, transportation, and pay taxes.

Posted by: 45summer | March 22, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Stupak's pro life credentials are unassailable. The Hyde amendmendt is, and remains the law. Community Health Centers cannot perform abortions now. Nothing in the Bill ever suggested that anything was supposed to change, so to say so again would be absurd. Of course an executive order can be reversed, but read it. It just orders the respective agencies to comply with the Hyde amendment in carrying out the health reform bill. they have to anyway, the president is ordering them to be darn sure they do it well, which is what an executive is supposed to do - run the executive agencies. Yes law trumps executive orders, but there's nothing in the bill reversing Hyde in the first place. And Obama couldn't conceivably rescind an order that just tells his agencies to comply with Hyde.

The repbublican and pro life rhetoric is embarrassing and despicable.

Michelle Bachman just proves that evolution has a way to go. Abortion rates go down with better insurance coverage. She can look it up, but she's not interested in facts.

Posted by: JoeT1 | March 22, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Even more material for Democrats to use in the upcoming campaigns that the Republicans thought were in the bag. Here's a suggestion for those who might be tempted to vote for a Republican candidate: Your Republican candidate might not be an overt tea partier or birther, but he or she is certainly willing to cozy up with them.

Posted by: jlhare1 | March 22, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I think there should be some investigation into the backgrounds of some of these "representatives." I bet their back pockets are lined by special interests, and not the people who sent them there.

Posted by: janecolby | March 22, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Stay classy, GOP.

Posted by: brickerd | March 22, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Stupak is a Democrat. By definition that makes him a liar...

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The thoughtless stupidity of such a statement is truly amazing. This is the reason we need democracy and the constitution, so our country cannot be fashioned in the likeness imagined by such shallow minds.


Posted by: jayjordan | March 22, 2010 9:25 AM
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Um, Jay baby, are you new here? Supporters of both sides are crazy as hell on this site. This is where decency and common sense go to die.

Posted by: lingering_lead | March 22, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Republican congressman who shouted "baby killer" yesterday voted for the Iraq War back in 2003? How many babies (and women and elderly) did that little GOP adventure end up killing?

Posted by: gmcduluth | March 22, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

That cruel comment must have been very painful for Rep. Stupak to hear. To me, many Republicans and "Tea Party"/ Tea Bagger members seem to be, well, anarchists. They want government to get out of their lives and if government fails, that is just fine with them. And then, who will protect all of us from threats from abroad and within? I guess they believe capitalism and our corporate culture will treat them just fine. I certainly don't.

Posted by: nhnh | March 22, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Pathetic.

It seems that the republican legislators are now taking their cues from the teabaggers. They've not only lost the health care reform battle, but along the way they've also lost their sense of decency, civility and decorum.

Sorry losers.

Posted by: NotFooledTX | March 22, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The republicans are a bunch of weasels. There unity in hiding the culprit shows their lack of respect authority and the rule of law. If the leaders of the republican party can’t/won’t name this person it shows the total lack of control they have over their loose cannons. If news organizations can't name the congressman who yelled baby killer by the EOD, then they are either on the take or stupid. It should take no time with audio recognition and working sources.

Posted by: joejoe2000 | March 22, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Stupak is a Democrat. By definition that makes him a liar...

Posted by: theBozyn1
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The thoughtless stupidity of such a statement is truly amazing. This is the reason we need democracy and the constitution, so our country cannot be fashioned in the likeness imagined by such shallow minds.

Posted by: jayjordan | March 22, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

To the Republicans and Tea Baggers, please keep up your protesting. The more you rant and rail, the more you demonstrate your narrow-mindedness and bigotry, and the more people who will see you for what you are and hopefully come to their senses. And would everyone please ask themselves if they would still be as rude and disrespectful if they couldn't post anonymously and had to use their real identity.

Posted by: Denny_98 | March 22, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

By hiding the culprit, they are sympathizing with him. In other words, they all shouted "Baby Killer."

Posted by: somerseten | March 22, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

What Texan wouldn't be proud to know that their Republican Representative cowered in his seat after shouting a slur at another American. Cowering Texans make all Texans (and Americans) proud. Which is why the other members of his party wouldn't tell anyone his name and why he's still sitting a a pool of his own making.

Posted by: wmboyd | March 22, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"Stupak and his gang of 7 truly were the ones who caused Obamacare to pass. I would not want to be in Stupak's shoes now. The backlash on him will be tremendous, both at the ballot box and in every other way."

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Every other way?

Is that supposed to mean that some holy rolling dirtbag is going to add Stupak to their "Kill Today" list?

Someone was famously quoted as saying, "Vengeance is mine." Guess the self-appointed hit squad of the lunatic fringe didn't get the memo.

Posted by: st50taw | March 22, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Even more material for Democrats to use in the upcoming campaigns that the Republicans thought were in the bag. Here's a suggestion for those who might be tempted to vote for a Republican candidate: Your Republican candidate might not be an overt tea partier or birther, but he or she certainly wants their support and will do anything to get it.

Posted by: jlhare1 | March 22, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

The RePIGliKLAN party truly has become the last bastion of the retarded, mental infirm, uneducated knuckle dragging apes. They are an absolute national embarrassment and nothing short of a complete disgrace to the United States.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | March 22, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

The RePIGliKLAN party truly has become the last bastion of the retarded, mental infirm, uneducated knuckle dragging apes. They are an absolute national embarrassment and nothing short of a complete disgrace to the United States.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | March 22, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

This is a great victory for the people of the Umited States to have health care.Although it has its ups and downs every american citizen will have the same benefits as every canadian citizen.The rich are not the only ones who should be cared for because their bank role.

Posted by: johnfraser4 | March 22, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

The Republican who yelled "baby-killer" at Congressman Stupak is a coward, as well as an idiot. The Republicans inside Congress are like that hystrionic and misled mob they've incited outside the of Congress. Only their degree of hypocrisy is different. Those outside brazenly advertise their viciousness and stupidity; those inside are more like character-assassins striking in the dark. Cowardly hypocrisy or strutting hysteria. Take your pick.

Posted by: orray | March 22, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Stupak is a Democrat. By definition that makes him a liar. He says he is pro-life. His vote says different. He was bought just like the other scum who changed their vote.

Posted by: theBozyn1 | March 22, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Certainly, Stupak can now legitimately be called a "baby murderer" because he and his bloc have facilitated passage of a Bill which OFFERS COMPENSATION to the providers of abortion services, Taxpayer based compensation.

Suicide IS AN OPTION.

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Posted by: dumpbama | March 22, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

My God, what has become of the Republican Party? We are the party of cowards, bigots and fear-mongers. If we don't like it, we scream at it. If we don't understand it, we try to kill it. If it benefits anybody but us, we denounce it as socialist. And if it inconveniences the wealthy, it is socialist. This party is embarrassing. It is lead by embarrassing people who live embarrassing lives and are embarrassingly narrow-minded.

Posted by: pmolloyp | March 22, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Last evening Michelle Bachman claimed that abortions would increase by 30 percent when this bill was passed. And where did she get that number? I do believe I saw her hand reach behind her into the waistband of her pretty pink skirt.

Posted by: HookedOnThePost | March 22, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

The difference between the Nazis and the GOP?
the Nazi's didn't know what they were doing was immoral,

Posted by: newagent99 | March 22, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Gutless coward, the man who shouted that and won't stand up to take responsibility for it. And the gutless cowards who know who it was, and won't give him up. Fine. If you won't stand by your words, if you won't call out the one responsible, we'll just assume that such behavior is the Republican way, and paint ALL of you with that brush.

Posted by: bjameswi | March 22, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

The only baby killers are the people that choose to have an abortion and the Doctors that support them. These people show no respect for a new life and must not believe in any GOD.

Posted by: randykree | March 22, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

The state of confusion aka california spends billions on healthcare not to mention cig taxes for additional healthcare for children.Now that this is passed will all those taxes and spending be halted?Also included in healthcare is clean housing and food access to transportation.No use fixing a person then depositing him on the street.Where do we stop?

Posted by: jmounday | March 22, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who is denouncing Stupak or claiming the bill promotes abortion clearly has NO IDEA what is in this bill. You can find it online -- read it! It repeatedly affirms Hyde act provisions preventing funding of abortion, as well as specifically prohibiting abortion coverage in certain types of plans, prohibits charging more for plans that don't cover abortions, and more. It provides prenatal and contraceptive care which will prevent abortions and will result in fewer birth defects. There are a large number of very specific provisions to address the concerns of the pro-life community. Anyone who is TRULY pro-life (and not just anti-anything Obama) should be thrilled with the provisions of this bill.

Posted by: levarfan | March 22, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

shouted no doubt by a racist misogynist who prefers fetal life to the lives of children or their mothers who have the misfortune of being poor. a Pox on the Republicans--may they not have access to the very healthcare the would den to others.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | March 22, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: servant119b --
"The results of this health care decision will be horrible. http://www.communislam.com/health-care-266"

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You didn't realize that site is a propaganda site, intended to convince and excite uneducated minds as to a particular radical point of view? The domain name alone is obvious. You actually read the content on that site and took it seriously?

I'm hoping you're young and naive, lacking the common sense to know the difference between trusted news site and editorials vs. far left or right wing fundamentalist rhetoric. If you're not young, you're beyond foolish and moving into the realm of ignorant.

Posted by: JimGoldbloomVA | March 22, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Why are people so surprised that another Dem like Bart Stupak (D-Mich.)played his constituents like a fiddle?Did you expect anything less from them ?

Posted by: votingrevolution | March 22, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

I see Bart "Judas" Stupak was dumped by the pro-life organization he chaired. Way to stand by your moral convictions there Bart "Judas" Stupal!

Last night dems proved they are no longer worthy to be called Americans. The once noble party of JFK is DEAD

Posted by: Straightline | March 22, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Supak gave the best comments of the night. Of course, the shame of the Republicans is nothing new. But, the depth of their deceit in the use of life for their political games still astounds.

Posted by: dnjake | March 22, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Stupak is a wolf in sheeps clothing. He needed cover for the next election so he went to Obama and said "I want to vote for this bill but I need someone to cover my back." Obama said, "I will write a exec order to say no funding for abortions." Stupak said "That may not work because an exec order can be changed and it does not override a bill passed by the congress." Obama said,"Hell, the public doesn't know the difference and they are just too stupid to understand what we are doing for them, go ahead and vote for the bill and I will cover you,infact, I might even campaign for you in 2010." Stupak was a little hesitant with that last statement.

Posted by: dy19spider57 | March 22, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

"Stupak the Stupid" is an apt phrase if he truly believed that an executive order would trump law enacted by the Congress.

Posted by: Jabber3 | March 22, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Juvenile.

Posted by: crushed-ice | March 22, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Of course, it's a "southern accent" guy who yelled "baby killer"! They are usually the ones who carry guns and use them on people they vehemently disagree with.

You never hear of Liberals or other tree huggers and "eco terrorists" carry guns or shooting preachers and their supporters, do you?

Posted by: HerLao | March 22, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Imarkex
"democrats are TRAITORS"

DC Sage 1 wrote: Democrats administered a very stiff pimp-hand to the do-nothings last night. They gave the do-nothings a very well deserved smackdown. Democrats cleaned the do-nothing's clock. They opened a can of whipass on the lapdogs for insurance company pimps.

The do-nothings may be reeling this morning after their strategy of shunning any cooperation with the President has crashed and burned. When insurance company pimps count up all of the money they pumped into the do-nothings and all the do-noihtings did was to fail, they can be expected to be hopping mad.

Insurance company poimps may horsewhip the do-nothings for being such hapless, big-mouthed sorry losers again.

Posted by: DCSage | March 22, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Another coward who chose PARTY OVER PEOPLE. He actually thinks obama will sign such as order as he hasn't kept any of his other promises. Besides he may sign an executive order and have congress over ride it, in secret of course. If the repubs are compared to nazis, then the dems can be compared to communists and remember General Patton feared the communists more than the nazis, and he was right.

Posted by: LTCRETUSAR | March 22, 2010 7:12 AM | Report abuse

It's funny how repubes will shout stuff out at the president but will hide after they say it,like little 8 year olds hiding behind their friends.

Posted by: honeyradio | March 22, 2010 7:09 AM | Report abuse

There was in reality no need for an executive order, as the bill very specifically states, repeatedly, that no federal funds are to be used for abortion. This is in fact a very pro-life bill which will result in fewer abortions, fewer birth defects, and lower maternal mortality.

Posted by: levarfan | March 22, 2010 7:06 AM | Report abuse

We got from Stupak just what we expected; A sham where he acted as a good guy until the last moment then he sold out. For how much or how little we don't know, but he played the game acting as if he would hold his ground on his principles until Obama gave him what he wanted. The good thing that will come out of this is that liberals now have what they wanted so when the bill comes due and this fraud is seen for what it is, we won't be hearing any whinning from them. They will have to just shut up and enjoy it especially when Pelosi and Obama come after their 401Ks and pensions because there is no more money elsewhere for them to pay for this mess!

Posted by: TexRancher | March 22, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse

There actually was no need for an executive order, as the bill very specifically and repeatedly states that no federal funds are to be used for abortion. Stupak did not "back off" -- this is very much a prolife bill.

Posted by: levarfan | March 22, 2010 7:03 AM | Report abuse

If the Republican who called out is so proud of his point, then why not admit it? Only cowards resort to name-calling and hide behind a crowd.

I am ashamed of what our Congress has become - this reminds me of pre-schoolers instead of a government with dignity and respect not only for Congress but for themselves. How can we have respect for people who act like 4 year-olds?

Posted by: Utahreb | March 22, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

DwightCollins
"before you call the Republicans the kkk, remember that the only klansman in the senate was bryd of west virginia..."

DC Sage 1 wrote: Many do-nothings are undercover Ku Klux Klan bigots. Jim DeMint is not going to wear his Grand Dragon robes in the House of Representatives. It is very difficult to tell who are the Kluxers when they don't wear their sheets and hoods.

The best way to deal with the do-nothings is to give them all a royal smackdown, like the House did last night, and then sort out the do-nothings who are not Kluxers. We can apologize to the non Klan do-nothings later for giving them a smackdown.

Posted by: DCSage | March 22, 2010 6:41 AM | Report abuse

Our system of government is not broken. On the contrary, we witnessed democracy at its finest hour last night when the Democrats passed health care reform.

Posted by: LauraBlack | March 22, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

I find the Dems' pathological lust for infanticide highly ironic as most of the aborted babies come from far-left liberal families and most likely would have grown up to be Dem voters. Talk about a self-inficted death wish!

Posted by: jpost1 | March 22, 2010 6:21 AM | Report abuse

before you call the Republicans the kkk, remember that the only klansman in the senate was bryd of west virginia...

Posted by: DwightCollins | March 22, 2010 6:20 AM | Report abuse

Teabaggers=rebublican brownshirts

Posted by: Supertzar | March 22, 2010 6:11 AM | Report abuse

Should have let them go 150 years ago. Civil rights were reserved for privileged whites, poverty was rampant, their economy was a shambles, and they had no support from foreign leaders. Gosh, little has changed. Do us a favor - secede. GOP states are a financial drain on the rest of the country anyway. That's where all the entitlements are going. If they secede I'll change my mind about those border fences they've been pushing.

Posted by: highland2 | March 22, 2010 6:05 AM | Report abuse

To the jerk that posted "Dems are traitors" I say Reps.--Tea Partyers are NAZI'S. I'm a ww2 vet and I shudder when I think I was shot down 2 times during WW2 so that stupid idiot like the Reps. and their Nazi supporters can have the right to vote. They are worse than traitors they are racists pigs. That redneck congressman who screamed "that's a lie" during the state of the union speech is more than likely the one who screamed "baby killer" Is it any wonder this country is so screwed up. I risked my life trying to protect these low life Repbs. What a bunch of stupid lowlife jerks.Wake up America these Repub. if given the chance will destroy this country.

Posted by: vergens2 | March 22, 2010 6:05 AM | Report abuse

Rethuglicans are the real baby killers. Just ask the March of Dimes who state the the major contributor to the high preterm birth rate is none other than... lack of insurance!

Posted by: meowomon | March 22, 2010 5:34 AM | Report abuse

Annnnd osullivanc1 goes for the nazi analogy on POST ONE! Very impressive, and sort of funny when you think about it... yeah, those damn republicans, demonizing their political opponents... just like Nazis! heh

Anyway, does anyone else think Congress is looking more like middle-school than a legislative body? No one wants to tattle on the boy who called teacher a naughty name?

Seriously, though, Bart deserves what he gets... if there's anything I find more annoying than an ideologue who can't focus on anything other than abortion, it's an ideologue who can't focus on anything other than abortion and yet backs down anyway.

Posted by: privacy3 | March 22, 2010 4:07 AM | Report abuse

The results of this health care decision will be horrible.

http://www.communislam.com/health-care-266

Posted by: servant119b | March 22, 2010 3:25 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations Democrats! It's about time you showed some co-joe-nes and did what you were sent to Congress to do. The republicans are the party of fearmongers, hatemongers, and liers. They are the party that trashed the US and world economies by allowing the private sector to go wild with greed. They are the ones that abused tax payer money and created the huge deficit. However, it angers me to see how many Americans are so nearsighted, with short memories and are so gullible that they believe everything the GOP fearmongers, hatemongers, and liers tell them. Use of federal funds for abortions is illegal based on Federal law and there is nothing in the current health bill that changes that.....yet so many gullibile folks just believe what they hear without verifying the facts. Wake up folks and smell the coffee not the tea baggers and republican garbage they are spewing. The republicans are not going to support anything the democrats nor the Obama administration propose.......period. It does not matter if it is good for the people. The coward who yelled out "baby killer" and the scum bag that yelled out at the President are just examples of how radical and out-of-control republicans have become. These republican legislators have debased themselves to the level of gutter trash. They have no respect for our government institutions and those that represent all of the people yet the eight years they were in control under Bush they demanded our unquestioned loyalty, unquestioned patriotism, and unquestioned support. For 6 years the republican controlled congress rubber stamped every thing the Bush administration presented, no questions asked. Let the repubs mobilize the fearmongers and anti government (unless the GOP is in full control) wingnuts in the tea bagger party. I'll stick to my coffee and independence to decide who and what is in the best interest of the people and who and what is just spewing out garbage. And right now, unfortunately the later is coming from the GOP side of the isle.

Posted by: goofycarly | March 22, 2010 2:55 AM | Report abuse

California Republican Senate hopeful C.DeVore was quite pleased when a Sunday morning political commentator suggested he was "the Tea Party candidate."

Hopefully he'll win the primary as he's likely the only candidate that Boxer can beat.

Posted by: thealaskan | March 22, 2010 2:33 AM | Report abuse

Really folks, it's the Klan, uh, Republicans. This is the level to which they have sunk.

Maybe the media will stop hiding from the public (especially the honest and honorable conservatives who have been deceived) just what the GOP will do to cling to power. It's really depressing, and not the party I proudly joined nearly 40 years ago.

Posted by: lmb02 | March 22, 2010 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are cowards.

Posted by: SODDI | March 22, 2010 2:20 AM | Report abuse

Wow, the right sure has class.

Spitting on Congressmen and using racial slurs at the Teabagger rally yesterday. Where do they learn these manners? Oh yeah. From their Congressmen.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 2:19 AM | Report abuse

We shuld hope that the Republicans & Democrats who voted "NO" on the health care reform, or for that matter, the public option which most Americans wanted.
Those worrying about funding "abortions", should first consider the babies and children who were born with health issues, most do not have access to government health insurance. Take care of the living first, before you holler about an unwanted seed planted... A womens right to choose, ist still the law of the land.

Posted by: Princes479 | March 22, 2010 2:15 AM | Report abuse

Republicans, classy as usual. What else have we come to expect? Look at the way the Tea Party crowd was carrying on outside with their racial slurs, spitting, and other various insults. Guess that kind of ugliness is contagious.

Posted by: ggwalt | March 22, 2010 2:11 AM | Report abuse

The Republican Party has become a national disgrace.

Posted by: chi-town | March 22, 2010 2:04 AM | Report abuse

Civil War II -- The Union Breaks Up. If Strom Thurmond had won the presidency in 1948, the military would still be segregated, lunch counters would still be all white, schools would be separate but equal, women would know their place, and race mixing forbidden. Ah. The Old South. Fix me a mint julep, Beaulah, and make it snappy. Every member of Congress would be an elderly white male Republican. No molly-coddling of the less-than-wealthy would be tolerated.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | March 22, 2010 2:04 AM | Report abuse

Eaglesnest, as you choose to have that name I trust you are referring to Kehlsteinhaus?

Posted by: hoser3 | March 22, 2010 1:59 AM | Report abuse

Tommypie, you have proclaimed that this is the fault of the Democrats, then shifted "the blame" to Stupak and I'm just checking to make sure you don't feel that you have left anyone out. If you blame everyone then you have all the bases covered. But, how sad!

Posted by: hoser3 | March 22, 2010 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Start the pool now: My bet is on (R-Texas) Louie Gomert. Please, no wagering, props only.

Posted by: zappafan | March 22, 2010 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are beginning to scare me. Some of the Texas contingent were seriously telling their constituents to support secession if health care reform passes. When we do tell these folks enough is enough. This is the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.

Posted by: onifadee | March 22, 2010 1:38 AM | Report abuse

If the Congressman was man enough to say it, he should be man enough to own it. Why hide if that's how you feel?

Posted by: Route1 | March 22, 2010 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Executive orders can be reversed. How convenient. Stupak and his fake pro life caucus are spineless traitors.

Posted by: eaglesnest1 | March 22, 2010 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Absolutely disgraceful that anyone would dare say such a thing to a fellow Congressmen! The Republicans can no longer deny responsibility for such outrages. First it was Joe Wilson's comments. Then yesterday a group of teabaggers (agitated by nonstop GOP lobbying re the health bill) called a Democratic congressman a Ni--er, and another a fa--ot. And worse, one spat on yet another!

If these are the types of philistines now allied with or comprising the GOP, I truly fear for political discourse in our country. That type will sooner or later resort to violence.

Posted by: hyperlexis | March 22, 2010 1:31 AM | Report abuse

People...the Republicans ARE the Original "Baby" Killers in the USA. Anytime you vote "yea" for a bill to save tadpoles swimming in the womb, Then these SAME Repubs right turn around and vote "nea" against a bill to save "Babies" that are already living and breathing outside of the womb that do not have health care, these sick Repubs are nothing but the ORIGINAL "Baby Killer" in the United States of America. How in the heck can they live with themselves to want to kill living, breathing babies outside of the womb, and yes all the adults was babies at one time too, and SAVE a not yet formed baby in the womb that has not yet inhaled their first breath on this earth. But Oh...just wait, if their parent cannot afford health care insurance, that same "Baby in the Womb" might come out with a heart condition or something else, AND...that SAME baby with be on the Repubs "baby Killer" hit list too. By the Repubs voting "NO" for the Health-care Bill, and you all are for that, then You to are just a bunch of (_?_) NUTS and BABY KILLERS YOURSELVES.

Posted by: Chrisjj1948 | March 22, 2010 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Unless mistaken, it appears to me that Mr. Stupak got what he wanted and could (not should), if anything, be viewed as a sincere opponent to abortion. To call him "baby killer" at this point would have to be construed as being very sour grapes. It would appear that the Republican side was basing their potential for success on one Democrat. That doesn't impress me as being very logical. As it is, this bill passed without one Republican yes vote and does not make public funds available for abortion. Kind of in the way the existing law spelled out.

Posted by: hoser3 | March 22, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Executive orders can be reversed. How convenient a way to pacify a spineless supposedly pro life contingent.

Posted by: eaglesnest1 | March 22, 2010 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Texas republicans, no surprise there. Go ahead and secede already. They're among the biggest federal money leechs in the union.

Posted by: paul91 | March 22, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

"This is the Republicans. Every now and then they lose their cool and show their true colors."

This is the Democrats. All the time they are bought off and show their true colors.

Posted by: misrobin | March 22, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse

democrats are TRAITORS

Posted by: Imarkex | March 22, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

This is the Republicans. Every now and then they lose their cool and show their true colors.

There agitation of the stupid Tea Baggers, that by the Republican's encouragement spewed racial remarks at black lawmakers. The same crowd we saw at Palin/McCain rallies. The same crowd that mismanaged the affairs of America for 8 long and brutal years.

Republican no longer means the opposing party to me. Republican now represents the enemy.

Posted by: cuppajoe | March 22, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

What have we got so far? "You lie" during the Presidents address to Congress, "baby killer" on the floor of the House, the sky falling, during the State of the Union, on and on. These folks do not seem to be able to conduct the peoples' business with very much decorum at all. I can't help but think this is in keeping with a disdain they must feel for the democratic process. To think these moves could somehow be viewed as beneficial to their cause seems a bit foolish.

Posted by: hoser3 | March 22, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

What if the words "baby killer" shouted to Stupak are true? After all, Obamacare would not have passed without his vote and the gang of 7 with him. Don't forget, these people are first of all Democrats, secondly pro-lifers (if at all). They are people without true convictions who cave in when the going got tough. How sad!

Posted by: Tommypie | March 22, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

We must remember Roe v. Wade. Abortions are legal. Anyone who wants to prevent a mother's right to a legally sanctioned medical procedure should be forced to provide for that child all the good things that their presence here deserves: full health coverage, a good education, safe environment, and a loving family. If you want to force a human being onto the planet, you need to accept responsibility for its well-being. If you are not willing to accept resonsibility for the life you "saved" then shut your mouth and get out of the argument. I will be very embarrassed (but, frankly, not surprised) if we learn that the big mouth was in fact a Texan.

Posted by: revmsue | March 22, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Kudos to the President, Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Hoyer. After reading this, I'll even give some respect to Rep. Stupak and the courage to take this vote which will cost him with the "coathanger" wing in his home district.

Posted by: gingles | March 22, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Stupak and his gang of 7 truly were the ones who caused Obamacare to pass. I would not want to be in Stupak's shoes now. The backlash on him will be tremendous, both at the ballot box and in every other way. All pro-lifers know now what a turn-coat he is. Obama can rescind his so called "executive order" any time. As it has been said: it is not even worth the paper it is written on. Stupak only needed cover, and Obama gave it to him. Now Stupak is going to be history.

Posted by: Tommypie | March 22, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

It would come as little surprise the imbecile shouting this remark came from texas. That's texas with a small t. The place still requires some reconstruction.

Posted by: CopyKinetics | March 22, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse

My "report abuse" doesn't work on the new format for comments or I would have called out "mawt", as I did several other trolls at other sites.

My fellow citizens - we may disagree, but let us know the facts, research the implications and, above all, treat one another with respect. This name-calling and hateful speech is enough to make one weep.

I am very proud that the President I voted for and this Congress have fulfilled the work of over a century of leaders from both parties to bring needed reform to healthcare . . . at least one step along the long road ahead.

And thank you, Sen. Kennedy!

Posted by: talitha1 | March 22, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans will do or say anything to try to cause this President to fail.

The evidence lies with the Reconciliation Bill that only corrects the problems that they saw with the original Senate bill that will soon be sitting on the Presidents desk.

And not a single Republican could agree with any of the changes THEY suggested.

Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | March 22, 2010 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Stupak sold out. So much for being pro-life. He deserved to be called a baby killer.

Posted by: DaMan2 | March 22, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Stupak should call that yucky GOP "thing" out for a duel. It would have been a lock 200 years ago.

Posted by: st50taw | March 22, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

I'm no fan of Rep. Stupak and his efforts to hold health care reform hostage to his anti-abortion beliefs...but he's about the last person who deserves to be called a baby killer!

Posted by: mamapanda | March 22, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

From 2001 to 2007, the Republicans were in total control and had a friendly court. They did nothing on abortion because they do not want the issue (and the voters) to go away.

Posted by: Butteoid | March 22, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

AS I HEARD TONIGHT, THE REBUBs ARE PRO LIFE ON ONE HAND, AND PRO DEALTH ON THE OTHER. THEY VOTED YEA FOR "BABIES IN THE WOMB" AND A BIG NEY FOR "BABIES OUTSIDE OF THE WOMB, WHICH INCLUDE EVERY AMERICANS THAT IS LIVING WITHOUT INSURANCE. THERE ARE SO MANY BABIES BORN WITHOUT HEALTHCARE AND THEIR PARENTS CANNOT AFFORD THE HIGH COST, ESPECIALLY IF THAT "NEW BORN" COMES "OUT OF THE WOMB" WITH A HEALTH CONDITION. I WILL SAY TO THE REPUBs YOU ALL ARE TALKING WITH A FORKED TONGUE AND "YOUR" AND "MY" GOD WILL DEAL WITH YOUR SICK AND FALSE ACTIONS OF CARING FOR "UNBORN BABIES WHILE THEY ARE STILL IN THE WOMB", THEN TELL THESE SAME BABIES TO GO STRAIGHT TO HELL ONCE THEY ARE OUT OF THE WOMB BECAUSE OF HEALTHCARE YOU DO NOT WANT TO SUPPORT. WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE YOU REPUBs ANYWAY? YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, GOD WILL JUDGE YOU FOR YOUR ACTIONS, OK.

Posted by: Chrisjj1948 | March 22, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

It was Joe Wilson (Moron-SC) that shouted baby killer!

Posted by: jbspires | March 22, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Reply to: Mawt

I sincerely hope that your mother gave birth to other children who were not brain dead or morally bankrupt. Thos who follow in the consel of the wicked shall have their place in the lake of fire.

Posted by: Jordan48 | March 22, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

we will know who said it tomorrow.

Posted by: donaldtucker | March 22, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

To Mawt: How old are you, ten? You type pretty well for your age. Except, grown-ups don't use so many unnecessary capital letters.

Posted by: princeleo | March 22, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Shocking that it was a Texan. \snark

Posted by: ElrodinTennessee | March 22, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

The whole Democrat Party and the Washington Post are "Baby Killers". When I was young and a liberal democrat, I was proud of the Democrat Party and liberals who stood up for the world's children. Now they yell kill the kids to solve any problem. Global warming too many people kill the kids. Not enough jobs-kill the kids.

Posted by: BPYLE47998 | March 22, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

its looks as though the republican party is leaderless and ruderless,any goog leader would not condone what is going on .this should be the last congress for boner to be leaderprobably cantor.but all this can be put at the feet of mccain/palin.they started this.

Posted by: donaldtucker | March 22, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

I hope this guy will be "outed" in due time. These self-righteous conservative bigots like to condemn women who abort for various personal reasons but have no problem becoming baby/woman/teen/other animal killers themselves in their fervent support of Bush's visionary (i.e., delusional) wars in the ME.

Posted by: KT11 | March 22, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Its a simple question with a linear answer...

Q: If abortions cannot be funded by the federal government why didn't our congressmen enumerate that provision into the bill?

A: Because baby killers like Nancy Pelosi (now hand in hand with Bart Stupak) know that by "writing" that exclusion into the bill it would prevent the courts from overturning such an exclusion. As current jurisprudence will do to an "executive order". Its on its way to court already, believe it or not, the briefs are already prepared and baby killers are jubilant with glee over turncoat Bart Stupak.

Posted by: Homunculus | March 22, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

The Republican Party has joined with the tea bag movement, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh to promote racism and hatred in America.

When Demint from S.C. threatened to make health care the "Waterloo" for Obama, the stage was set for failure when McConnell and Boehner accepted that philosophy. Racist, racist and anti-American.

The Republican party, the party of No, is the anti American party. McConnell and Boehner are scum. They hate your family, they love special interest.

November send the Republicans to the dumpster of racism and hatred. They have earned it.

God bless President Obama and the United States.

Posted by: COWENS99 | March 22, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

There have been so many racist comments from the Republicans that they better watch out that they don't incite violence. Of course, when your arguments are based on lies and your supporters are ignorant enough to believe what you tell them, you have to shout louder and bring in other hate-filled issues in order to support your bogus arguments.

To call Stupak a "baby killer" is just one example. If anything, this bill will do more for pregnant women and children than anything ever done. Women won't be dropped from coverage for a preexisting condition for having had a caesarian section.

Now is the time to give birth control pills or day-after pills to all women, regardless of coverage. That step would do more to prevent abortion than any other coverage. Women don't want to have abortions. It's interesting that men are the most outspoken about this issue since they don't have any responsibility to take care of babies once they are born.

It would be nice to pass a law that all men who have paternity will be absolutely responsible for child care payments. Now that we have DNA to link the father with the child, that could be done.

Posted by: eileenmilt | March 22, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Yet another opportunity to bring shame upon our nation in front of the world.

Posted by: hakafos44 | March 22, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

The GOP is getting increasingly like Nazis. Where will their next National Convention be, Nurenberg?

Posted by: osullivanc1 | March 21, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

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