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Kentucky primary: Democrats hoping for a Paul victory


Rand Paul and wife Kelly Paul leave Briarwood Elementary School after voting in the U.S. Senate Republican primary election in Bowling Green, Kentucky. (Jake Stevens/Reuters)

The Post has reporters in three states covering Tuesday's elections. Read today's feeds on the Pennsylvania Democratic Senate primary, the 12th District special election, and the Arkansas Senate Democratic primary. See also Monday's feeds on: the Pennsylvania Democratic Senate primary, the Pennsylvania 12th District special election, the Kentucky Republican Senate primary, and the Arkansas Senate Democratic primary.

Updated 7:53 p.m.

Ophthalmologist Rand Paul (R) has won the Kentucky Senate Republican primary, beating Secretary of State Trey Grayson (R), the Associated Press has reported.

Updated 5:19 p.m.
By Perry Bacon Jr.
BOWLING GREEN, Ky -- Will Rand Paul make an easier opponent for Democrats in the fall?

If Republicans in Kentucky tonight choose Secretary of State Trey Grayson, Paul's opponent in the GOP Senate primary, Grayson is expected to be a heavy  favorite in the general election. He would be a traditional Republican running in a conservative state where President Obama is unpopular.

Paul, officials in both parties say, introduces a wild card. The state's Republican politicians, such as U.S. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, espouse traditional conservative views on social issues, such as opposing abortion rights, while also calling for limiting government and lowering taxes.

But they do not promote the aggressively anti-government vision of Paul, who has called for eliminating federal agencies such as the Department of Education and banning all earmarks. Paul would turn this race from a traditional Republican versus Democratic contest into a kind of referendum on the "tea party's" agenda, observers say.

"Campaigning against Rand Paul would be something I would relish," said Jack Conway, Kentucky's attorney general and one of the two leading candidates for the Senate seat on the Democratic side. "There would be a lot of Republicans who can't go along with Rand Paul. He wants to do away with the Department of Agriculture. He wants to do away with the Department of Education. There are a lot of fair-minded people who won't go along with that."

Conway said he expected Grayson would move to the center if he won the GOP primary, but thought Paul would not.

Lt. Gov Dan Mongiardo, the other major Democratic candidate said, "Rand Paul says here's your gun, here's your land, God bless you, good luck. That's his form of government."

McConnell had pushed Grayson as a more palatable candidate than Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.), who opted to retire in the face of McConnell's opposition to his candidacy. But in recent days, McConnell has suggested Paul could win the general election because of general dissatisfaction with Obama here.

"Kentucky's in a pretty Republican mood this year," McConnell said last week. "I think we'll be able to elect a Republican senator regardless of the outcome of the primary."

At least for now, as he competes against Paul, Grayson does not agree. "Democrats are salivating to run against a guy who can be portrayed as anti-farmer, anti-teacher and anti-Kentucky," he said.

While there is limited polling in the state and the numbers will likely change if Paul becomes the GOP nominee, early surveys have suggested a closer race if Paul is the Republican candidate instead of Grayson.

At the same time, Paul could expand the electorate by gaining support from people turned off by both parties who find him appealing because of his anti-Washington, anti-establishment message. And a win in Kentucky, knocking off Grayson -- McConnell's favored candidate -- could bring a surge in national funding and attention that would make it difficult for the Democratic candidate to defeat him in November.

Paul himself says his views will prove popular to the broader electorate, not just tea party activists in Kentucky.

"I think the tea party represents a very mainstream message," he said Monday. Referring to one of his controversial ideas he said ,"If you poll Republicans, 70 to 80 percent are for term limits, but if you poll Democrats, 70 to 80 percent are for term limits."

4:11 p.m. Grayson accuses Paul supporters of intimidating voters
By Felicia Sonmez
Kentucky Secretary of State Trey Grayson is accusing ophthalmologist Rand Paul's (R) campaign of conducting a "widespread voter interrogation scheme" as voters go to the polls today in the primary for retiring Sen. Jim Bunning's (R) seat.

Grayson's campaign issued a memo to reporters this afternoon highlighting a document it claims Paul's campaign has been distributing to supporters. The Paul campaign document instructs supporters to check voting machines before polls opened at 6 a.m. and "attempt to determine that all voting machines are set to zero."

The document (PDF) also directs Paul supporters to conduct exit polling as voters leave the polls from 8-9 a.m. and 12-1 p.m., make GOTV calls in afternoon, and then return to the polling places at 5:45 p.m. and "identify yourself as a representative of the Rand Paul campaign who will be witnessing the vote counting." It also instructs supporters to "immediately call the election hotline" to report any "irregularities."

According to the Grayson's team's memo, trained challengers "would be allowed into polling locations, but not for the purposes of inspecting voting machines or watching the vote counting." The memo also claims that "it appears that most incidents involving the Paul campaign do not involve qualified challengers, but instead they're supporters who have received the illegal instructions from Rand Paul."

The Lexington Herald-Leader reported this afternoon that as of 12:45 p.m., the state election fraud hotline had received 41 calls including "allegations of vote buying" and "voter intimidation," and that "many of the calls" involved Paul's campaign.

Paul campaign manager David Adams called the allegations "absurd" and said the campaign is "secure in where we are on the law."

"Anybody can file a complaint about anything," Adams said, adding that the campaign is "very confident" in the way it's been conducting its GOTV operation.

5:49 a.m. In Paul candidacy, a referendum on Tea Party ideas
By Perry Bacon Jr.
BOWLING GREEN, Ky -- Liberals have criticized the Tea Party movement as an amorphous, incoherent, possibly racist group of opponents of President Obama who are not offering an alternative agenda of their own.

But Rand Paul, the U.S. Senate candidate favored to win the Republican primary here, is offering a series of conservative positions that is one of the most detailed articulations yet of how Tea Party principles would translate into governing.

If Paul wins the primary, he would both defeat a Republican opponent who has cast these views as out of the mainstream and turn the election here this fall into a debate over the Tea Party's vision for the country.

Paul is full of ideas that neither of the two major political parties fully embrace, although many of his positions are in the Tea Party activists' policy document, which they have dubbed the "Contract from America."

If Rand Paul had his way, the federal government would no longer hand out subsidies to support farmers. The retirement age would be raised to make Social Security solvent. Senators could only serve 12 years in office. Congress would have to delay voting one day for every 20 pages of text in a bill so the public would have time to read and understand it. A section of every law passed would have to include an explanation of what part of the Constitution empowers Congress to act on the issue.

Members of Congress could not pick out parks or roads in their districts to fund, according to Paul's platform. Congress would have to balance its budget every year, a move that could result in billions of dollars in cuts to politically popular programs. Lawmakers would simply send money to states for education, instead of imposing a variety of rules on schools through the U.S. Department of Education, which Paul wants to eliminate. Companies that receive federal contracts for more than $1 million would be barred from lobbying or giving money to political action committees.

And on the campaign trail Monday, Paul hinted he might be the kind of senator who would block unemployment aid to people out of work if Congress didn't find other programs to cut to fund the benefits. He praised the man he is running to replace, retiring Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.), for taking up that cause earlier this year.

"There is a Tea Party platform and some people say, 'when you win the primary, you'll have to run away from the Tea Party," Paul told a crowd here. "I think the Tea Party represents a very mainstream message. If you poll Republicans, 70 to 80 percent are for term limits, but if you poll Democrats, 70 to 80 percent are for term limits."

Paul's opponent in the primary, Kentucky Secretary of State Trey Grayson, said these positions would be a political problem in the general election if Paul were the GOP nominee.

"Democrats are salivating to run against a guy who can be portrayed as anti-farmer, anti-teacher and anti-Kentucky," Grayson said Monday.

If Paul came to Washington, he might have an even harder time with these ideas than on the campaign trail. Term limits and eliminating the Department of Education failed when Republicans pushed them after winning control of Congress in 1994, and party leaders have not put them back into the GOP platform since.

Raising the retirement age is controversial among older voters, making most politicians in both parties wary of the issue. Even Republicans in Congress refused to back Bunning's effort to force Congress to fund extending unemployment benefits.

But Paul dismisses the criticism that his ideas, or those of the broader movement of which he is part, are somehow impractical. Pressed by reporters here on Monday, he said that if Congress did not start the process for a constitutional amendment for term limits, he would call on the state legislature in Kentucky and other states to push the issue. (A constitutional amendment requires the backing of two-thirds of the members of both houses of Congress and three-fourths of the country's state legislatures).

Asked if he was "overpromising" to his supporters on the campaign trail, he said: "I am promising them exactly what I will do,"

"Nobody can guarantee victory," Paul said, arguing that his potential colleagues in Congress (if Paul is elected) could block his proposals. But, referring to his balanced budget proposal, he said, "I will introduce it and I will make it a national issue. I can't promise victory, but I promise I will make it part of the national discussion."

By Perry Bacon Jr.  |  May 18, 2010; 5:49 AM ET
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Ladies and gentlemen... May I present to you: Ross Perot, version 2010...

Posted by: Goombay | May 18, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

LIBERTARIANISM IS ANARCHY FOR RICH PEOPLE

Posted by: hansenderred | May 18, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Excellent! The more right-wingnut Teabaggers that win the better for Democrats in November.

Posted by: markiejoe | May 18, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I fail to see how a primary election, an election where members of one or the other party VOTE for one of their own, is a comment on the Obama Presidency.
Is there one living current Republican anywhere in the whole universe who approves of Obama? No, there is not. It does not matter who the Republicans nominate in their primary election to run against whatever Democrat, for, they all, to a one, already oppose him in every single way a person could be opposed.
So Tea Party victories mean nothing, in terms of a comment on Obama. But, they mean everything in terms of the death of the Republican Establishment. Democrats everywhere cheer on the TeaBaggers for America really, and truly, is NOT extremist.

Posted by: cms1 | May 18, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Kentucky went for McCain by a wide margin in 2008, yet Mitch McConnell barely scraped by. Kentucky is definitely a red state, so if Paul DOESN'T win the general, that will be a pretty powerful statement about how the Tea Party ideas really sell in the REAL world.

Posted by: WarriorGrrl | May 18, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I believe the Tea Party's chances are related to how many eligibles who traditionally don't vote can be motivated to vote for them.

Posted by: srb2 | May 18, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Every dollar we Democrats invested in making the Tea Party the media darlings they are is paying off tenfold.

Soon, after they destroy the GOP, we can stop funding them and watch them crumble into an Ayn Rand free-for-all.

Patience, fellow Democrats - we are winning the war and our footsoldiers in the Tea Party are helping us unseat the incumbents in the GOP!

Posted by: WillSeattle | May 18, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Coming soon : November 2010.....
Time to throw out all the incumbents and this corrupt Congress!!!

Posted by: SeniorVet | May 18, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Tea Partiers are older, middle to upper class white folks who don't want their tax money being given to poorer black people.

Posted by: mmck | May 18, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse
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Yes, because black people are the only poor people standing in line to get their money.

If that is the case, how is it that this is accomplished? Does the President command the Treasury department to separate all of the white middle class, middle age white people's tax money from everyone else's money and calls up all of the poor black people and tells them where they can collect only the white middle class, middle age white people's tax money?

How does he know where the money is coming from? Oh, that's right, the Census.

You people are racist idiots.

Posted by: denise4925 | May 18, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

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Kentucky is in a Republican mood?
That is your title?

It's like saying... "My a-esss stinks after I poo".

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Posted by: A-Voter | May 18, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

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Kentucky has been in a Republican mood ever since lynching black people was a hobby.

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Posted by: A-Voter | May 18, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Kentucky is in a Republican mood, but so what? It's full of losers.

Posted by: FilmMD | May 18, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

I've done time in Kentucky and the voters there aren't ones to look deep into the issues. Like Kansas, a republican would reach into their pocket, take their money and they would think they're getting a hand job.

Posted by: blarsen1 | May 18, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Kentucky is in a Republican mood, but so what? It's full of losers.

Posted by: FilmMD | May 18, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

When folks figure out that "less government" means reducing benefits to seniors (it's about half the Federal budget), less income distribution from the wealthy to the less wealthy states, in the form of reduced spending on government contracts in their states & districts, less agricultural subsidies, less payout to special groups like the ethanol producers, etc etc, then these folks in states like Kentucky won't be so glad to have less coming from states like Maryland.

Posted by: Evan.Rosenberg@Gmail.Com | May 18, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

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That is what McCain and Palin where saying right before they won the election..... oh yea, no, no.

WRONG!!

Kentucky has been in a Republican mood since lynching black people was a hobby.

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Posted by: A-Voter | May 18, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Tea Partiers are older, middle to upper class white folks who don't want their tax money being given to poorer black people.

Posted by: mmck | May 18, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse


What mainstream is Rand referring to? The mainstream that elected Barack Obama to the presidency? The mainstream that elected all of those democrats in 2006? I don't see any minorities at the Teabag rallies. Do the teabaggers think that the majority of America is still made up of the middle class, middle age white voters who attend the rallies?

Posted by: denise4925 | May 18, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it, Kentucky is not exactly a bastion of deep, independent, intellectual thought. If "Kentucky is in a Republican mood" and "dissatisfied with Obama," you have to wonder why they didn't peep when Bush lied us into the Iraq war, put it on a Chinese credit card, along with the war in Afghanistan, ran government like it was his own personal ATM, ballooned the budget, shrank the middle class, gave unpaid-for tax cuts to the wealthy, and caused the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression. So what are they really upset about?

Oh yeah. The black guy.

Posted by: losthorizon10 | May 18, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it, Kentucky is not exactly a bastion of deep, independent, intellectual thought. If "Kentucky is in a Republican mood" and "dissatisfied with Obama," you have to wonder why they didn't peep when Bush lied us into the Iraq war, put it on a Chinese credit card, along with the war in Afghanistan, ran government like it was his own personal ATM, ballooned the budget, shrank the middle class, gave unpaid-for tax cuts to the wealthy, and caused the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression. So what are they really upset about?

Oh yeah. The black guy.

Posted by: losthorizon10 | May 18, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Paul himself says his views will prove popular to the broader electorate, not just tea party activists in Kentucky.

"I think the tea party represents a very mainstream message," he said Monday.

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What mainstream is he referring to? The mainstream that elected Barack Obama to the presidency? The mainstream that elected all of those democrats in 2006? I don't see any minorities at the Teabag rallies. Do the teabaggers think that the majority of America is still made up of the middle class, middle age white voters who attend the rallies?

Posted by: denise4925 | May 18, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

@AmericanSpirit: ron paul's tea party .. is about Freedom. and he values freedom to the point he would never impose it on any one ...
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and the gun toting militia hounds at tea party rallies are going to make sure of that right?

so yeah, relax. freedom is good. and the teabaggers want to ensure that they are free from helping you in any way by disassembling the government; that corporations are free from any moral or legal responsibility to their consumers; and that the government is free from doing anything for the common good, except to invade other countries in the name of your freedom to be a selfish arrogant putz.

Posted by: countdown2009 | May 18, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Teaparty doesn't have ideas, it has positions, but there is no coherent driving idea. Well, other than "give us back our country" and "it's in the Constitution". Brilliant....

Posted by: 44fx290 | May 18, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

What nonsense. Kentucky is not now nor has it ever been representative of the nation as a whole. It's only irresponsible self-feeding media hyperbole that could even for a moment call anything Kentucky voters decide "a referendum" on anyone's "agenda." Worse, the hyperbole is attributed to nameless "observers," such as, for example, this Post blogger and all the instant-pundits with whom he twitters.

Posted by: washpost29 | May 18, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

What was that headline? Kentucky in a Republican mood? I think it should read AMERICA in a republican mood.

Posted by: charlie-Imac | May 18, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

What was that headline? Kentucky in a Republican mood? I think it should read AMERICA in a republican mood.

Posted by: charlie-Imac | May 18, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I didn't think anyone could be more nuttier than Ron Paul, but obviously I was mistaken. The limb that Rand fell from was two inches from the ground.

Posted by: denise4925 | May 18, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Kentucky folks would elect Joe McCarthy if given a chance.
Kentucky is not representative of the nation.
Lets see if these teanuts win in areas that are not ultra far right, like-Chicago, Miami, New York and LA. And win them all, in one election and then you'll know if there is some movement.
The only thing moving in Kentucky is last night's dinner.

Posted by: wintoursghost | May 18, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

The more densely populated a given geographic area is, the more necessary government is. Similarly, the more complex systems become, the more likely they are to need oversight - read: regulation. Rand Paul can't produce a viable alternative to government when things get crowded & complicated. Perhaps Rand ought to take a holiday in freebooting Somalia and see if his vision really holds up. If he wants to throttle back his demagoguery and start addressing issues about government's overreach with thoughtful solutions, then I'll listen. From what I've seen, he's a shockingly immature thinker.

Posted by: Ptoadstool | May 18, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

The more densely populated a given geographic area is, the more necessary government is. Similarly, the more complex systems become, the more likely they are to need oversight - read: regulation. Rand Paul can't produce a viable alternative to government when things get crowded & complicated. Perhaps Rand ought to take a holiday in freebooting Somalia and see if his vision really holds up. If he wants to throttle back his demagoguery and start addressing issues about government's overreach with thoughtful solutions, then I'll listen. From what I've seen, he's a shockingly immature thinker.

Posted by: Ptoadstool | May 18, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Tea Party idea is correct. Let's test it. Repeal all the laws that give money to the people who donate money to the government. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Unemployment Benefits, Food Stamps. Let's wipe out all the cabinet-level agencies except the original three: War, State, Treasury. Repeal the income tax. Especially the income tax. And all property taxes. Close the schools, fire departments, libraries, and police departments. Anything need be done? Hire a private enterprise to do it. Got a predatory bank egging on your free-spending ways? Build debtors prisons. Not only are you locked up because you can't pay your debts. You cannot earn money because you cannot work because you are in prison. So your debts remain unpaid. So you remain in prison. Sounds fair to me.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | May 18, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

1.) Go to google.com
2.) Type Nutjob "Rand Paul"
3.) Nuff Said

Posted by: mamerica | May 18, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Liberals are probably incapable of understanding the tea party. The idea that government ought to be limited to a defined list of powers simply has no place to rest in their minds. Their only thought is that government is always good, so, the more government, the better.

Tea partiers know that government is made up of people, and the natural state of massive organizations of people is FUBAR (go look it up).

The bigger the organization, the bigger the effect.

Posted by: dmarney | May 18, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MikeJ9116
"The Tea Party movement is the vast middle of the country that includes the center, center-left AND the center-right."
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You're kidding, right? The vast majority of tea partiers overwhelmingly identify themselves as Republican. Combine that with the fact that they're pushing out anybody who even hints at being a moderate (ie Charlie Crist, Bob Bennett, etc.) and it's very evident that the tea party movement is comprised primarily of the extreme right.

Posted by: SharkMan2 | May 18, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

"'Kentucky's in a pretty Republican mood'"

SO WHAT ELSE IS NEW???

Posted by: csavferg1 | May 18, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

the tea party as a movement is a threat and consequently is being targeted by both the establishment GOP and DNC ...

the Ron Paul movement spawned the tea party ... that movement was a market that Glen Beck went after to exploit and attempt to redirect away from its goals and towards the current administration ...

the original tea party that I know of is for first and foremost individual rights ...

the FOX News attempted captured of the tea party is an attack on the tea party ..

FOX NEWS made every attempt to discredit Ron Paul during the GOP Presidential Primary in 2008 ... we will not forget ...

the white trash hype is coming from ill informed people or establishment hacks attempting to misinform ...

ron paul's tea party .. is about Freedom. and he values freedom to the point he would never impose it on any one ...

the establishment GOP and DNC are a threat to freedom as they are captured.

relax .. folks that are uninformed ... freedom is good. that is all the Paul's are about ...

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | May 18, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Please... the teabaggers may have some moderates on the sidelines cautiously supporting them to some degree, but the idea of abolishing the Dept of Education, the EPA, the IRS and the Federal Reserve are not mainstream. They are far right wing utopian dreams that fell straight out of the cuckoo's nest.

People may be generally frustrated with the state of affairs, but they're only upset in so far as it affects them. Everyone is against the deficit going up, but who is willing to pay higher taxes or see their Social Security cut in order to reduce it? Nobody. Poll after poll shows that. It is the reverse NIMBY - cut everywhere, just not in my backyard. You cannot claim a national movement for fiscal responsibility when it is made up of selfish individuals who are out for themselves at the end of the day.

Posted by: mikebythesun | May 18, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

"It amazes me that liberals either are incapable, or refuse, to get what, and who, the Tea Party movement represents."
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I think it is because there is no central message beyond "Taxed Enough Already" which seems rather silly since we are enjoying the lowest Federal taxes in over 50 years.

Furthermore, there are the fringe elements of the Tea Party which gain media attention and make them all look like crazies and racists.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 18, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Please... the teabaggers may have some moderates on the sidelines cautiously supporting them to some degree, but the idea of abolishing the Dept of Education, the EPA, the IRS and the Federal Reserve are not mainstream. They are far right wing utopian dreams that fell straight out of the cuckoo's nest.

People may be generally frustrated with the state of affairs, but they're only upset in so far as it affects them. Everyone is against the deficit going up, but who is willing to pay higher taxes or see their Social Security cut in order to reduce it? Nobody. Poll after poll shows that. It is the reverse NIMBY - cut everywhere, just not in my backyard. You cannot claim a national movement for fiscal responsibility when it is made up of selfish individuals who are out for themselves at the end of the day.

Posted by: mikebythesun | May 18, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The article said this: "Lt. Gov Dan Mongiardo, the other major Democratic candidate said, "Rand Paul says here's your gun, here's your land, God bless you, good luck. That's his form of government."

Just not true. The tea party people want the government of our founders.... the rule of law in the U.S Constitution. One of limited Government... big enough tot do it's job but also contained in the box the Constitution constructed for Government. We want our Government back in the box and will fire anyone who is outside the box. Obama, Reid , Pelosi, Frank, Schumer, Clinton, Dodd, Specter.... all outside the box and must go.

Posted by: markandbeth92 | May 18, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Heart of the Bigot Belt, right? Daniel Boone and all that....

Posted by: AIPACiswar | May 18, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Partiers are dupes for corporate America. That's why we haven't seen any big protests against banks, no support for financial reform, and complete silence on the oil spill. If these old white medicare-receiving men and women can't see this our education system is a total failure. There is no "independent" in the Tea Party. Their free lunch is paid by their corporate puppet-masters.

Posted by: cougartonyusa | May 18, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: FilmMD
The Tea Party is made up of white, southern, old trailer trash.
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Well, genius, how did Scott Brown get elected then?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 18, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Ron, Rand Ragamuffin, they all make me want to hurl.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5176395970887542038#

Posted by: johng1 | May 18, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party is made up of white, southern, old trailer trash.
How diverse.

Posted by: FilmMD | May 18, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

among the many things Rand Paul champions is repealing the Americans With Disabilities Act because "it's unfair to business"

i think that sums up who Rand Paul is going to fight for if he is elected

Posted by: countdown2009 | May 18, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gposner
So does the Tea Party cult really come down to no more than a revamping of the Libertarian philosophy?
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It amazes me that liberals either are incapable, or refuse, to get what, and who, the Tea Party movement represents. It is made up of such a wide swath of people from all economic, social, ethnic and political groups that is must be mind boggling to a liberal. The Tea Party movement is the vast middle of the country that includes the center, center-left AND the center-right. it is an electoral steam roller and it will be flattening politicians for a very long time that think the old way of doing things in Washington, DC is still acceptable. The Tea Party is bringing accountability to Washington, DC.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 18, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Kentucky may be in a Republican mood, but Kentucky, along with West Virginia, is chock full of trailer trash.

Posted by: FilmMD | May 18, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Kentucky may be in a Republican mood, but Kentucky, along with West Virginia, is chock full of trailer trash.

Posted by: FilmMD | May 18, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

FACT: The primary funding sources for the Tea Party are two conservative groups: Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks which receive substantial funding from David Koch of Koch Industries, the largest privately-held energy company in the country, and the conservative Koch Family Foundations. Koch industries are responsible for hundreds of Oil spills spread over multiple states.

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/assets/binaries/wanted-for-climate-crimes-cha

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries-secretly-fund

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries


Require Drillers to be Insured for Worst case Scenario ($100 Billion ~ $1~2 Trillion from the looks of this accident).

The Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund supported by industry fees should be raised from $1 Billion to $500 Billion.

Current Drillers should be subject to new Insurance and Safety Regulation Requirements (& Frequent Inspections to Verify compliance) to include Secondary Relief Wells, Remote Acoustic Triggers for Shut Off Valves, corrosion resistant Carbon Fiber Reinforced pipes, and High Quality Cement Sealing requirements; many of which are standard safety requirements in Canada, Brazil, and Norway.

If the Tea Party was fighting for the average American, that would be great. But they are fighting for what's best for Wall Street Criminals, for Oil and Coal Industry Negligence resulting in Deaths and Pollution, and the Policies that allow them to continue doing so Without Oversight or Regulation.

Posted by: liveride | May 18, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Rand Paul is lying to his supporters. He is not going to abolish Education or Agriculture, nor end earmarks. The man is a liar.

He is an educated elitist, opportunist who wants to argue everything from Bunker Hill to Iraq.

His is an idiot and not one Kentuckian will be happy if he let's the pork slide to Tennessee. No-he won't, he is a liar.

His idea of government is government his way-carry your gun, lie to everyone, chain women to the bible and follow the Taliban form of Government.

Surely KY citizens will not be fooled by him and his gun nut bigots. If so, welcome the new Democrat Senator from KY.

Mich is a fool and so is the entire GOP.

Posted by: COWENS99 | May 18, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

@dcartwright6 with regards to ... The guy is rabidly anti-regulation ..

"I have never been opposed to regulation, although my idea of regulation differs from that of many people in Washington." Ron Paul

granted taken out of context but his words ...
http://wwws.house.gov/htbin/search?tx14+vdkvgwkey%20%3Csubstring%3E%20%22/paul/%22|regulation

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | May 18, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The primary funding sources for the Tea Posted by: swr112261
Party are two conservative groups: Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks which receive substantial funding from David Koch of Koch Industries......
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I think your tinfoil hat is getting too tight.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 18, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The only intimidation the establishment Democrats and Republicans get from the Tea Party people is that they not long believe the BS they spew. The Tea Party people are also taking note of what a politician says and comparing it to how they vote. If the two don't line up then they will be removed from office. Some call this intimidation. I call it about time.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | May 18, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

So, teapartiers, rightwing, evangelical, all think they are god given. That gives them the right to lie, cheat, hypocrite, steal, but fick, rleam, what ever. Cause, you know, tis that god given. Go see Robin Hood, King John was a teapartier.

Posted by: linda_521 | May 18, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

So, teapartiers, rightwing, evangelical, all think they are god given. That gives them the right to lie, cheat, hypocrite, steal, but fick, rleam, what ever. Cause, you know, tis that god given. Go see Robin Hood, King John was a teapartier.

Posted by: linda_521 | May 18, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

@AmericanSpirit: I've followed Ron Paul since his 1988 presidential campaign for the Libertarian Party. The guy is rabidly anti-regulation as are most libertarians. If you have any doubt about that, find your nearest LP chapter and start going to their meetings. You may wanna make sure you've memorized Atlas Shrugged first, though.

Posted by: dcartwright6 | May 18, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, this is comical. I can assure you that our local Grassroots Tea Party, a fairly large one at with which I'm proud to serve on as a board member, receives absolutely zero outside funding. Anything we get is through ourselves.

Nice try at delusion, though...

The primary funding sources for the Tea Party are two conservative groups: Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks which receive substantial funding from David Koch of Koch Industries, the largest privately-held energy company in the country, and the conservative Koch Family Foundations. Koch industries are responsible for hundreds of Oil spills spread over multiple states.

Posted by: swr112261 | May 18, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Many on this board are drastically underestimating the Tea Party and misrepresenting who we are and what we stand for.

We stand for a Constitutionally based government.

We stand for balanced budgets.

We stand for term limits.

We stand for limited government.

It is a peaceful movement with very concerned citizens at its' core.

Virtually nothing being written by the national mainstream press accurately portrays what this is all about.

And if Trey Grayson had reculsed himself from overseeing this election, Dr. Paul's campaign would not have gone to the lengths it has to ensure that it's being fairly ran.

Posted by: swr112261 | May 18, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

@The libertarianism of Ron and Rand Paul is the corporate world's dream come true. No pesky voters forcing regulation on them to make sure their products are safe, the work places are safe, etc, etc?

good lord ...

since when are they opposed to regulation ?
site me a reference.
they are opposed to regulations written by the lobbyist of industries they are designed by regulate ... they do not oppose regulations so that capitalism is allowed to function.

they oppose bailouts .. as that is not capitalism.

we need regulations with teeth that needs to be enforced and not a willy nilly approach to mindless regulation ...

our regulators have been captured .. CFTC, SEC, FDA etc .. have all been captured and act in ways to protect the industries they are designed to regulate .. they do not serve the people they serve corporations.

Capitalism works with rules ... not without rules ... who said no regulation ?

we do not have capitalism in this country .. we have monopoly capitalism where the CApital Class uses $ to influence government to remove competition ... hence ... monopoly capitalism.

See Goldman Sachs bailout and their competitors not bailed out bear sterns ..


and if by chance you are a PROGRESSIVE democrat and want the truth .. look to firedoglake.com ... as your source for truth not the managed media ...

if you are a republican try ... anything but fox news !!!!


Posted by: AmericanSpirit | May 18, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Since when are normal exit polls 'Widespread Voter Interrogation Schemes'? If Grayson, Rand Paul's opponent, had recused himself from overseeing the election, perhaps there would have been less concern. In addition, I understand that 'connected with Rand Paul's campaign' means that Rand Paul supporters brought the complaints, it doesn't mean what you might think those words mean.

Posted by: sailingaway1 | May 18, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

@gposer
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/ex-bundesbank-chief-says-greece-will-never-repay-debt-says-bailout-all-about-rescuing-banks-
Why are Americans bailing our foreign banks?
Your thoughts ? and
how's life in your neck of the veal pen ?

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | May 18, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

@gposner FYI only as you seem to know better ...
the world economies were linked ... in order to introduce a financial crisis that would require governments in the world to tap into an infrastructure secretly put in place to usher in global governance ... if you dont think this is real ... that does not mean that it is not ...
you want a link ?
the only thing the link at the Bank for International Settlements (BIS)does not address is the manufactured part of the financial crisis
http://www.cfr.org/publication/21989/global_governance_today.html?breadcrumb=%2Fpublication%2Fby_type%2Ftranscript
that you can find here
www.zerohedge.com


as a taste @gposner
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Global Governance Today
Speaker: Jean-Claude Trichet, President, European Central Bank
Presider: Robert E. Rubin, Co-Chairman, Council on Foreign Relations

April 26, 2010, New York
Council on Foreign Relations
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Posted by: AmericanSpirit | May 18, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

honest money as a consequence of killing the FED will result in people via tax payments to pick between the services government will provide its citizens ...

no more funding via debt ... pick ...
perpetual Wars and their false path to Peace ...
or single payer health care ...
as an example ..

50% of GDP goes to the Military INdustrial Complex ... I was shocked speaking to a woman in a waiting room when she told me her husband works for Lockeed Martin and with this war on terror he will never be in fear of losing his job ...

that is the problem we face ... the ends justifies the means ... too many people in the USA have a government job or a job in industry tied to government spending ...

why dont we just get it over with and kill everyone on the planet so we can be safe ... why the slow death by 1000 cuts ?

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | May 18, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

So does the Tea Party cult really come down to no more than a revamping of the Libertarian philosophy? Paul might give this crowd a more respectable face than Sarah Palin, but he doesn't truly represent them. I see one Bagger posting here with these words: "We know the financial crisis was manufactured in order to usher in Global Governance," and it is that kind of lunatic conspiracy talk that really shows where the Baggers are coming from.

Posted by: gposner | May 18, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party is the enemy of the "Capital Class"? That's hilarious. The libertarianism of Ron and Rand Paul is the corporate world's dream come true. No pesky voters forcing regulation on them to make sure their products are safe, the work places are safe, etc, etc? Libertarians are so afraid of government power and so, so blind to corporate power. I can go online and criticize the government. If I go online and criticize my employer, they'll fire me. The tea partiers are saddest dupes since Ettore Ovazza.

Posted by: dcartwright6 | May 18, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

the beef is with the Health Insurance Industry ~ they question every decision made adding to costs ... while as an example the auto insurance industry that pays out for medial services resulting from a car accident does not question the medical necessity of the physician ...

dont believe me ... musculoskeletal injuries treated by board certified physicians treating with Platelet Rich Plasma injections or Prolotherapy is paid for by the auto insurance industry ... the exact same injury, those weekend athletes get are not paid by the health insurance industry ... citing .. it's and experimental procedure ... even though there is documented evidence to its efficacy ...

the cost in the health insurance system are do to premium dollars being paid in are lost when people utilize ... not over paid docs ...imo of course ...

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | May 18, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

It's time for America to stop pretending that we are rich enough to do whatever we want without consequence. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and Defense must all be cut. When 14% of our tax revenues are going to interest payments on the debt in 2020, which is an optimistic CBO projection, our idiocy shines clearly. Of course, our foolish populace largely believes in non-existent gods as well, so we are all to willing to trash this world for the lies of the afterlife.

"We worry about 'too-big', but the biggest error-prone centralized top-down institution in the world is the US Gov. It keeps getting bigger" - NN Taleb

Posted by: staticvars | May 18, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

@ The last time the farms went unsubsidized and unregulated, people literally starved to death.

keeping corporate food out of the food supply would not be a bad thing ... as it is an attempt to create future markets for big pharma ...

Health INsurance companies invest in fast food companies ...look it up ... why ?

you would think a contradiction until you recognize that in harvesting from a captured animal that is what you do ...
charge them large premium dollars ... run it as a business denying care in order to make big profits and then ... sell em poor quality corporate fast foods so as to suck more $ from your veal pen.

corporate owned; how does it feel ?

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | May 18, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Anti farmer, anti teacher anti everything but doctors and he thinks they need to make a good living, which most do under the fee for service system we have now eventhough we get poor health outcomes for the vast amount of money we spend. I like the teabaggers, they do force the other candidated to talk about issues they would ignore otherwise. Unfortunately, they're as out of touch as both of the Pauls are. We've seen it all before and it was called Ross Perot. We need common sense and some of Pauls ideas have merit, but when we spend 18% (more than any other country) of our gross national product on health care and don't finish in the top thirty in the world and as a doctor all he can say is doctors deserve to make a good living....well I don't need to know more.

Posted by: Gregghawks | May 18, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"@If Rand Paul had his way, the federal government would no longer hand out subsidies to support farmers.

good lord ... and why would that be ? Perhaps the family farm is all but dead and the subsidies are going to CORPORATE FARMS... Yep ... control over the food supply by Multi-Naitionals ... what a bunch of crap trying to spin farm subsidies as an attack at the small family farm ... that thing died years ago ... there are a few left but his stance is one that will attack CORPORATE FARMS ...
not john q public farming ...

the Corporately managed News cycles serves only to misinform ... thank goodness for ON DEMAND internet searches for information ...

the people have had enough ... signing orders ... Treaties (ie Lisbon) passed by bought and paid for Politicians in Europe bypassing referendums in order to introduce the EU ... we see the game ... we have critical mass .. we have access to information ... your days are numbered puppet masters.

We know the financial crisis was manufactured in order to usher in Global Governance ... we see you in panic mode ...
you are losing your grip of control ...the People are coming ... Rand Paul is one of the People not a bought and paid for shill for the Capital Class ...

YOur castles were not burned .. you made it appear as such as you "vanished" into the ether but we know you have been string pulling from behind the curtain ... your time is over ... this next decade the PEOPLE push back ...

got freedom ?"


Oh man I hope this guy gets elected so I can be entertained for the next 6 years by spectacular failure.

The last time the farms went unsubsidized and unregulated, people literally starved to death. It was called the Great Depression. Kentuckians better realize that all this guy's ideas are political nonstarters because if elected he will be the Senate equivalent of Clarence Thomas.

Posted by: laugh_riot | May 18, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

One small mis-step for man, one giant leap towards extinction for all Mankind.

Posted by: ender3rd | May 18, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"Why aren't they protesting Lack of Regulation against Wall Street, Oil and Coal..."

Because regulation produces unintended consequences that make matters worse. For example, a $75 million cap (regulation!) on liability is small change to BP so why would they bother to go out of their way to prevent accidents or develop advanced clean-up technology.

Posted by: millionea81 | May 18, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

As a Ron Paul supporter, please don't try and identify the Tea Party with his son. Any group that has Sarah Palin in it, cannot have either Ron or Rand Paul in it.

Ron Paul said he would get rid of the IRS and replace it with nothing.

BP won't let that happen.

Posted by: ender3rd | May 18, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Given all these big ideas, who would Dr. Paul be representing? Would it be just himself? If he is representing the voters, where would the voters' needs go?

Posted by: mantravadi | May 18, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

What he says, what what he'll do are two different things.

The Tea Party has a Clear Allegiance: The Rich, Oil and Coal

If the Tea Party was fighting for the average American, that would be great. But they are fighting for what's best for Wall Street Criminals, for Oil and Coal Industry Negligence resulting in Deaths and Pollution, and the Policies that allow them to continue doing so Without Oversight or Regulation.

Why isn’t the Tea Party organizing and demonstrating against Industries causing the Deaths and Lost Livelihoods of Millions of Americans? Why aren't they protesting Lack of Regulation against Wall Street, Oil and Coal companies that are Killing People and caused the Financial Devastation of Millions of Americans? Why aren't they protesting against BP and Halliburton's Gross Negligence in the destruction of Multi-Billion dollar Tourism and Commercial Fishing Industries in the Gulf Coast Oil disaster?

Because the Companies Responsible is who Started, Fund and Direct Tea Party actions.

The primary funding sources for the Tea Party are two conservative groups: Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks which receive substantial funding from David Koch of Koch Industries, the largest privately-held energy company in the country, and the conservative Koch Family Foundations. Koch industries are responsible for hundreds of Oil spills spread over multiple states.

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/assets/binaries/wanted-for-climate-crimes-cha

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries-secretly-fund

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries

Posted by: liveride | May 18, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I am sick and tired of conservatives talking about how much they love their grandchildren! You will not saddle them with national debt but you will give them a Gulf full of toxic oil, air that they can't breath, animals that are extinct, land that is barren. Yeah, these people really know how to love their grandchildren.

Posted by: Not2Late2Change | May 18, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Real Estate investment and liberal, progressive benevolence. The only two endeavors I’m aware of that require only a minimum of education, basic entry level knowledge and can be accomplished almost exclusively with other people’s money.

Posted by: sosueme1 | May 18, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse


@ Posted by: Thenviron Y'all would be surprised at how many 'old tea partiers' have only one special interest group to represent - namely, their children and grandchildren. And for them, they'll do anything - including deferring retirement programs and giving up other government largesse so their progeny will not be faced with unsustainable national debt and thus enable them to enjoy freedoms that have been part of the American tradition.
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Two comments.

Balance the budget next year by massive cuts to federal spending will only mean the parents of these great kids will be unemployed, as that money vanishes from the economy.

I get pretty tired of people claiming that only they love their kids. I'm not a Teabagger, not a Republican, don't believe in god, not a nationalist, but I still love my kids and will what it takes to care for them.

Posted by: 44fx290 | May 18, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I think Paul pretty much summed it up correctly when he said, "I can't promise victory". I can't imagine when all of his ideas are presented to the electorate in November that he will win. He is "against" too much. I wonder what Mitch McConnell thinks about term limits. The ideas touted by many many politicans change drastically once they arrive in Washington. Whatever serves their purpose and Paul won't be any different despite all of his rhetoric.

Posted by: marnie249
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As I recalled the Republicans put term limits in the Contract with America in 1994 only to back out once they taste power and control the agendas.

Posted by: beeker25 | May 18, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I think Paul pretty much summed it up correctly when he said, "I can't promise victory". I can't imagine when all of his ideas are presented to the electorate in November that he will win. He is "against" too much. I wonder what Mitch McConnell thinks about term limits. The ideas touted by many many politicans change drastically once they arrive in Washington. Whatever serves their purpose and Paul won't be any different despite all of his rhetoric.

Posted by: marnie249
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As I recalled the Republicans put term limits in the Contract with America in 1994 only to back out once they taste power and control the agendas.

Posted by: beeker25 | May 18, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Rand Paul may have the right ideas espoused by the Tea-party, however; come general election, he will lose hence one reason why McConnell chose Grayson over Paul.

Posted by: beeker25 | May 18, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I think Paul pretty much summed it up correctly when he said, "I can't promise victory". I can't imagine when all of his ideas are presented to the electorate in November that he will win. He is "against" too much. I wonder what Mitch McConnell thinks about term limits. The ideas touted by many many politicans change drastically once they arrive in Washington. Whatever serves their purpose and Paul won't be any different despite all of his rhetoric.

Posted by: marnie249 | May 18, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"Why don't Teapublicans ever mention making cuts to the bloated Pentagon/military industrial budget?" Posted by: clairevb

Indeed they do. The 'real' tea partiers support withdrawl from 2 undeclared wars and a withdrawl of our troops from 140 countries around the world. The trillion dollars of savings would then go to supporting entitlement programs until people can be weaned off the dole.

Posted by: cole2686 | May 18, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

This article is wrong (and misses Mr. Paul's apparent point) when it says that a constitutional amendment requires the backing of two-thirds of the members of both houses of Congress. That is one of two ways of PROPOSING an amendment to the Constitution; the other method of PROPOSING an amendment is for legislatures of two-thirds of the state to call for a constitutional convention to propose amendments, which seems to be what Mr. Paul is getting at. After an amendment is proposed, it must be ratified by legislatures or conventions in three-fourths of the state. So if the constitutional convention approach is taking for proposing the amendments, there is never a need for the two-thirds vote of Congress.

Posted by: dc-native | May 18, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Rand Paul embraces a constitutional foreign policy. A policy that stays out of unnecessary and unwinable wars. That is the reason the Republican establishment is against him.

Posted by: David77 | May 18, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

If you don't support Rand Paul, than you don't support the U.S. Constitution...good luck with that!!

Our military, law enforcement, and ELECTED OFFICIALS need to HONOR THEIR OATH TO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION!!!

oathkeepers.org

Posted by: dan_kempf | May 18, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"Y'all would be surprised at how many 'old tea partiers' have only one special interest group to represent - namely, their children and grandchildren. And for them, they'll do anything - including deferring retirement programs and giving up other government largesse so their progeny will not be faced with unsustainable national debt and thus enable them to enjoy freedoms that have been part of the American tradition."

Thanks for the report from Planet Teatardo.

Who are you kidding? Teabaggers don't want to give up ANYTHING.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | May 18, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I wish Rand Paul well...this country needs more canidates like him....and more teaparty canditates....we the people have woken up....time to clean house and get rid of those no good lying thieves.

Posted by: galario | May 18, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Y'all would be surprised at how many 'old tea partiers' have only one special interest group to represent - namely, their children and grandchildren. And for them, they'll do anything - including deferring retirement programs and giving up other government largesse so their progeny will not be faced with unsustainable national debt and thus enable them to enjoy freedoms that have been part of the American tradition.

Posted by: Thenviron | May 18, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Y'all would be surprised at how many 'old tea partiers' have only one special interest group to represent - namely, their children and grandchildren. And for them, they'll do anything - including deferring retirement programs and giving up other government largesse so their progeny will not be faced with unsustainable national debt and thus enable them to enjoy freedoms that have been part of the American tradition.

Posted by: Thenviron | May 18, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Bet the bureaucrats in government disdain this guy for having the audacity to suggest that government politicians and bureaucrats actually be subjected to the US Constitution and day-to-day input from taxpayers. Miscreants should always be corraled, limited and restricted. Isn't that an honest description of someone in government? Remember most are in government because they're unemployable elsewhere. But that doesn't give incompetent folks the right to practice improper fiscal stewardship of other people's monies. If this guy is a Tea Party member ... this country nees Tea Party members. After-all the Boston Tea Party was over a proposed tax of 1/8 of 1%. That supposedly started a revolution.

Posted by: individual | May 18, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

We have no more room for politicians who spew only what they think voters want to hear.
Paul seems to have some unworkable, unacceptable ideas and soliciting support of the tea party adds to doubt about his competency.


LOL. How about Obama the Candidate and Obama the President ... no amnesty for telecoms ~ FISA, the anit-war candidate, Single payer healthcare,no more executive signing orders ...
seems to me his campaign for POTUS was the epitome of saying something to get elected and doing the opposite in office ...

As far as the tea party goes ... the one I know ... the one Ron Paul spawned ... is about individual rights first and foremost ... and anti-collectivism ... you know ... collectivism a willingness to sacrifice the rights of sovereigns (either at the Nation State level or individual rights level)that is where the conversation starts with the tea party on each and every issue.
the establishment political class purchased by the Capital Class starts with a willingness to sacrifice freedom for the greater good ...
those are our filters .. but what we get from the managed media is a ping pong match focused on the symptoms of the problems we face not the core issue of group rights over sovereignty ..

ask your self why we dont have an open debate of the rights of the group vs the rights of individuals being the root basis of our decision making ?

free or free to do as you are told ?

free or captured ?

free or in the veal pen ?

free or being harvested ?

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | May 18, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

We have no more room for politicians who spew only what they think voters want to hear.
Paul seems to have some unworkable, unacceptable ideas and soliciting support of the tea party adds to doubt about his compentency.

Posted by: kathlenec | May 18, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

We have no more room for politicians who spew only what they think voters want to hear.
Paul seems to have some unworkable, unacceptable ideas and soliciting support of the tea party adds to doubt about his compentency.

Posted by: kathlenec | May 18, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

We have no more room for politicians who spew only what they think voters want to hear.
Paul seems to have some unworkable, unacceptable ideas and soliciting support of the tea party adds to doubt about his compentency.

Posted by: kathlenec | May 18, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

gotta love that Cornyn Amendment eh ?

Capital Class ... we see the whites of your eyes ...

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | May 18, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

@If Rand Paul had his way, the federal government would no longer hand out subsidies to support farmers.

good lord ... and why would that be ? Perhaps the family farm is all but dead and the subsidies are going to CORPORATE FARMS... Yep ... control over the food supply by Multi-Naitionals ... what a bunch of crap trying to spin farm subsidies as an attack at the small family farm ... that thing died years ago ... there are a few left but his stance is one that will attack CORPORATE FARMS ...
not john q public farming ...

the Corporately managed News cycles serves only to misinform ... thank goodness for ON DEMAND internet searches for information ...

the people have had enough ... signing orders ... Treaties (ie Lisbon) passed by bought and paid for Politicians in Europe bypassing referendums in order to introduce the EU ... we see the game ... we have critical mass .. we have access to information ... your days are numbered puppet masters.

We know the financial crisis was manufactured in order to usher in Global Governance ... we see you in panic mode ...
you are losing your grip of control ...the People are coming ... Rand Paul is one of the People not a bought and paid for shill for the Capital Class ...

YOur castles were not burned .. you made it appear as such as you "vanished" into the ether but we know you have been string pulling from behind the curtain ... your time is over ... this next decade the PEOPLE push back ...

got freedom ?

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | May 18, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

How does that Everly Brothers song go? 'A man in Kentucky sure is lucky, in Bowling Green you walk your own line.' Should be Rand Paul's campaign song!

Looks Rand is headed for victory today - although the thing that hurt his dad when he ran in 2008 that a lot of his supporters weren't registered Republicans and couldn't vote for him.

Posted by: tomwalls | May 18, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Why don't Teapublicans ever mention making cuts to the bloated Pentagon/military industrial budget? Everyone knows there is more than enough waste in that area. If the Pentagon can't handle budget cuts and cost overruns they need to get some fresh faces in place to do so.

Posted by: clairevb | May 18, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I had no idea so many Kentuckians smoked pot. But it's grown in Kentucky, so.....

Posted by: angie12106 | May 18, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse


"Just go tell those protesting old tea partiers that they can't start collecting social security for another 10 years and see how quickly they change their vote."

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But don't forget to remind them that the "free" healthcare doesn't kick in until 2014, 4 years after they've been taxed on it.

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Posted by: itkonlyyou67 | May 18, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

These are good ideas but I think he's got a snowball's chance of implementing any of them. Americans love cutting "wasteful" programs as long as it's not a program that benefits them.

Just go tell those protesting old tea partiers that they can't start collecting social security for another 10 years and see how quickly they change their vote.

Posted by: mikem1 | May 18, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

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