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Powell: 'Things have changed' on 'don't ask, don't tell'

Gen. Colin Powell, once one of the architects of the military's "don't ask, don't tell" law, said this morning that he is personally in favor of repealing the policy.

"Things have changed. That was 17 years ago," Powell said when asked about his past support for the ban during an appearance on ABC's "This Week." Powell said that he is "personally of the view now that attitudes have changed," adding that it's "perfectly acceptable" to repeal the law so long as the voices of the men and women in charge of executing the policy are heard in the process.

As chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Powell was opposed to President Clinton's 1993 effort to end the military's ban on gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military, testifying before Congress that it would negatively affect the "cohesion and well-being" of the force.

Powell first issued a statement announcing his support for repealing the law in February, following the testimony of the current Joint Chiefs Chairman, Adm. Mike Mullen, to the Senate Armed Services Committee that repealing the law would be the "right thing to do."

In an appearance on "Fox News Sunday" this morning, Mullen reiterated his belief that the law should be changed, but he questioned the timing of this week's votes by the full House and the Senate Armed Services Committee to repeal the law.

"Ideally, I would like the legislation to wait until we've completed the review so we can look at how to implement it," Mullen said, referring to a comprehensive review process launched by the Pentagon in February and which is not expected to be completed until December.

Public opinion has swung in favor of repealing "don't ask, don't tell" since the law was first passed in 1993. A February Washington Post/ABC News poll showed that 75 percent of Americans now support allowing gay people serving openly in the military, compared to 44 percent of respondents who said the same thing in 1993. Powell acknowledged that shift in public opinion this morning.

"I think, at the end of the day, the law will change and 'don't ask/don't tell' will go away," he said. "But don't underestimate some of the issues that we dealt with in 1993 and that we're dealing with now," he added, citing same-sex marriage, domestic partnerships and housing arrangements for soldiers.

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The military should look to the Catholic priesthood for a lesson in how a homosexual "band of brothers" has worked out for it.

It has almost destroyed the church. The priesthood became an obscene joke with more and more homosexuals using it as an enclave. Little, alter boys were being molested by the hundreds as the priest predators slaked their perverted, sexual appetites on them.

Who knows how this scenario will play out in the military. Taking chances with the best military in the world is not worth finding out and it risks the security of America in untold ways.

Posted by: battleground51 | May 31, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse
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My favorite quote of the day. As if all gays are pedophiles

And then of course YOU are looking to CONGRESS to give advice about anything CHRISITAN IN VALUE???? (How are those RENTboy lovin, diaper wearing, mommy and daddy bribe paying, page molesting, wide stance CHRISTIANS working out for you ---and we should use their VALUES as the countries.


Secondly --- HOW DARE ANY OF YOU COWARDS WHO HAVE NOT SERVED say that the BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN SERVING are NOT PROFESSIONAL ENOUGH TO DO THEIR JOBS and follow the MILIRATY CODE OF JUSTICE.

You could, ON THIS OF ALL DAYS --- have a little respect for those serving - that they have the maturity and professionalism to perform them duties -AS I AM SURE THEY HAVE ALWAYS HAVE AND WILL ALWAYS DO without comments from the COWARDLY PEA NUT GALLERY>

After all -- how many of you hate SPEWING COWARDS OR MEMBERS OF YOUR FAMILY HAVE SERVIED.

I have, and not one soldier ever cared that I was gay - when they needed my surgical skiills - all they cared about was that I could save them or their brother soldier and that I could and would do my job to the best of my ability.

THOSE ARE THE TRUE CHARACTERISTICS of TODAY
's PROFESSIONAL SOLDIER. They are not biased hateful people - like you people are.

Posted by: racerdoc | May 31, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The military should look to the Catholic priesthood for a lesson in how a homosexual "band of brothers" has worked out for it.

It has almost destroyed the church. The priesthood became an obscene joke with more and more homosexuals using it as an enclave. Little, alter boys were being molested by the hundreds as the priest predators slaked their perverted, sexual appetites on them.

Who knows how this scenario will play out in the military. Taking chances with the best military in the world is not worth finding out and it risks the security of America in untold ways.

Posted by: battleground51 | May 31, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

On every single issue, "eliot ness" Obama plays politics. The military ia reviewing the "don't ask, don't tell" rule for gays in the military. Most people probably agree that some sort of change should be made, and the military is involved in an in depth look at the issue, and how to impliment any changes so as to minimize any potential disruptions. This issue is similar to abortion - it has vehement supporters on both sides and will likely prove divisive. But old "foot on the throat" is in DEEP electoral trouble and desperately needs the gay vote to avoid electoral anhiliation and impeachment, so for purely political reasons he has to get out there and pre-empt his own suggested military enquirery. And Colin Powell, who had to lower his halo one more time (1st in a blatant, racist support for Obama during the election), by undermining the military he said he was once so proud of, again for purly racist reasons. (I was once a great admirerm of Powel).

This whole thing is not about Gays or principals. It is about politics - Chicago, Eliot Ness/ Richard Daley/ Husein Obama style - as far down and as groteskly dirty as it gets.

Posted by: armagedon | May 31, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The only thing that has really changed is that ultra-liberal Democrats now have a strangle-hold on America and ultra-liberal Democrats love all things homosexual and hate all things military.

What better way to show this love/hate than to homosexualize America's military, thus killing two birds with one stone.

Take care of their homosexual constituency and, at the same time, sabotage American military. What a nefarious scheme.

America will certainly stand proud when MSNBC broadcasts the first, gay-pride, military parade down the main street of San Fransisco.

Posted by: battleground51 | May 31, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I am amazed by so many of the comments on this post and the ignorance that is displayed.

Imagine what women in the military must be thinking every time they go to sleep or shower -- are the "hetero" men watching them? Are they being lusted after? And of course, how can the hetero men sleep or shower -- you know those damn women are probably engaging in mind stimulation every moment of the day.

Gay people don't spend their waking, sleeping, and showering moments lusting any more than hetero. It displays how ignorant and narrow minded your beliefs knowledge base is. I have many gay friends and many hetero friends and I don't worry that I'm not going to be able to sleep or shower -- regardless of who they are. Perhaps you are trying to compliment yourself that you are so desirable but you might save your time.

Many of my gay friends now serve or have served in the military. They do their jobs just like anyone else except they are different from the hetero counterparts: they must hide or lie about their partners, their family, and those close to them for fear of losing a career which they chose. I salute them for having the guts to volunteer to serve their country; I doublt such a volunteer decision was made so they could lust after people showering and sleeping. Get real. They could simply get a job at any health club and not only stand a better chance but be able to act on the chance when taken.

I would also dare say that I, a former police officer, would not stand a chance when put against some lesbian friends; they'd kick anyone's butt and I'd much rather have them standing next to me or crouching in a foxhole than many of the so-called "men" on here.

Lastly, I think you can tell the age differential in today's society. The younger people seem to understand diversity and differencs in people and have come to respect it. As an older person, I can say that many in my generation fear diversity or those who are different from them. The young military today are far better equipped and capable with diverse opinions that respect those who may not think, look, or act like them. On this day, I stand and salute them.

Posted by: execdir | May 31, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

WE HAVE 10-12% GAYS IN THIS COUNTRY. WHY MUST THEY ALWAYS BE IN OUR FACE??? IT'S DIGUSTING AND YES, I KNOW HOW THAT SOUNDS.

Posted by: mexicanseverywhere | May 31, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

How will anyone in the military sleep or shower if this is repealed. Mr. Powell, I would have voted for this man, but he has shown after his vote for obama saying "he had experience"...well I see Col Powell has "lost it"...I really question what goes on between his ears!!

Posted by: mexicanseverywhere | May 31, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I want gays and lesbians to serve in the military as thousnds have already served...silently.

Posted by: JustSomeThoughts
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I bet you haven't a clue how that sounds.

I bet you haven't got the guts to say that to a gay soldier. It wouldn't matter which sex, either.

Posted by: st50taw | May 31, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse


"If you want the position of an iconic conservative, look no further than the late Senator Barry Goldwater: "The conservative movement, to which I subscribe, has as one of its basic tenets the belief that government should stay out of people's private lives"."
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The key words in your diatribe are PRIVATE LIVES; when one proclaims to the world how they conduct their private lives, they cease being private and enter the domain of PUBLIC CONDUCT! This is well within the purview of the Military Code of Conduct.
In fact, a literate reading of Sen. Goldwater's words is perfectly consistent with "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". If anything, allowing open service would necessarily create greater tension because the behavioral aspects of the UCMJ would remain. Those adamantly opposed to open service would have clear targets to monitor for "behavioral lapses".
It is certainly not clear whether this proposal, particularly when Congress appears set to ignore the input of service members participating in the current review, would decrease or increase the quantity of dismissals. The first lesson of the American Revolution is that a population convinced its input has become futile WILL RESIST AT ALL COSTS!!
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The input of service members hasn't been ignored. It's been determined to be unconvincing by the ultimate employer, the American public.

Just like the Tea Baggers, people like you don't really want input. You demand things be done your way regardless of anyone else's input. Should we call that crybaby democracy?

Posted by: st50taw | May 31, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

"If you want the position of an iconic conservative, look no further than the late Senator Barry Goldwater: "The conservative movement, to which I subscribe, has as one of its basic tenets the belief that government should stay out of people's private lives"."
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The key words in your diatribe are PRIVATE LIVES; when one proclaims to the world how they conduct their private lives, they cease being private and enter the domain of PUBLIC CONDUCT! This is well within the purview of the Military Code of Conduct.
In fact, a literate reading of Sen. Goldwater's words is perfectly consistent with "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". If anything, allowing open service would necessarily create greater tension because the behavioral aspects of the UCMJ would remain. Those adamantly opposed to open service would have clear targets to monitor for "behavioral lapses".
It is certainly not clear whether this proposal, particularly when Congress appears set to ignore the input of service members participating in the current review, would decrease or increase the quantity of dismissals. The first lesson of the American Revolution is that a population convinced its input has become futile WILL RESIST AT ALL COSTS!!

Posted by: UncomfortableTruths | May 31, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

If a homosexual is dumb enough to want to enter the military... let him.

If America votes it is acceptable for male Marines & Soldiers to engage in copulation or displaying affection in public, the military needs to get with the times .

Posted by: waltk1 | May 30, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

General Powell.

Once you were a Pershing rifleman...as was I.

You saw truth for wear it lay. As did I.

Now you are compromising your true self for public opinion.

Shame on you.

I want gays and lesbians to serve in the military as thousnds have already served...silently.
e.

Me
Stop listening to public opinion...be the honest Colin that you used to be.

Your wife Alma,is a delight. Listen to her.

She is your guiding force.

Me.

Posted by: JustSomeThoughts | May 30, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

For anyone concerned about the military cohesion or effectiveness in the US army being negatively affected due to Don't Ask, Don't Tell being repealed they should really turn to other countries who have already done this.

There is an excellent study done on this analyzing the Canadian army, who let gays openly serve in 1992. The study found that "[a]fter the ban was lifted, follow-up studies found no increase in disciplinary, performance, recruitment, sexual misconduct, or resignation problems." For more information on the study you can go to:

http://www.palmcenter.org/press/dadt/releases/study_finds_gays_do_not_undermine_canadian_military_performance

Posted by: dukedrake | May 30, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Paul's epistles do not contradict with the four Gospel. The Book of Revelation was written by John.

While Paul was talking about PUNISHMENT, John's book is more specific.

"I will kill her children. Then all the churches will know that I am the one who searches hearts and minds..." (Rev. 2:23)

The reason they don't contradict is because they speak with one voice - the voice of Jesus Christ.

If you understand what true Christianity means, I don't think America will be a mighty force of Defense if "Love thy neighbor as thyself" is not part of God's commandment.

Israel would cease to exist the minute America say, we don't care about our neighbor. And the world will be under one man rule. Either under Hitler, Lenin or Hirohito.

As I've said, Democrat States in America are numbered. That include countries who know not God. That is the prophecy.

so they experience among themselves the PUNISHMENT they deserve for their perversion." (Romans 1:27)

Posted by: spidermean2 | May 30, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Things haven't changed,Powell has. As a recently retired infantry officer with a tour in Iraq - this is a terrible idea. This has nothing to do with combat effectiveness - Name one thing that this will make the US more effective in? It has everything to do with socially changing America.
Hundreds and Hundreds of Retired General Officers are against this because they know that this will erode the combat cchesion and effectiveness of our armed forces. The argument that Canada, the UK, Austraila, the Dutch, Isreal have effectively integrated gays holds no water. None of the contries (combined) could effectively stop the North Koreans, hell they can't even get their forces there.
If you've been in s locker room you've only experienced maybe 5% of it. Try living, showering, sleeping etc with a group (squad, platton, company, battalion) for weeks or months on end in the worst cramped conditions. The tention and stress is bad under almost all conditions. Try doing it in combat when lives are on the line.
I am ashamed of General Powell - he has forgotten what it is like to be one. I really expected better of you General.

Posted by: chargersix
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Just suppose the Israeli army was as big as ours is, knucklehead. Are you going to deny they could kick some global a$$? They could have N. Korea for lunch. So, your first paragraph means nada.

You go on about how tough things can be in the field under combat conditions. You don't say a word about whether gays could deal with it. Since we know there are gay combat troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and there is ZERO evidence that they are any less brave and tough as heterosexuals, that pretty much leaves you with how the non-gays react to the gays.

You know, allowing gays to acknowledge there sexual preferences is not a invitation to flaunt it. You need to read the stories of the men and women who have departed the services because they were outed or they outed themselves. It's not about the freedom to "act gay", whatever that means. It's about living without fear of discovery and without feeling like second class citizen-soldiers.

Posted by: st50taw | May 30, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

I was referring to Christian thought, spiderman2 not Pauline. Whenever an avowed Christian wants leave to hate, it's usually to the words of Paul that they turn — unless it's to the ravings of John the Rev. Unlike some others in this thread, I'm not willing to bet on what God will do. I am sure that policies of the Democrats you revile are nearer to the spirit of the four gospels than your side is. "Love thy neighbor" as leave to make war indeed …

Posted by: maxpost | May 30, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

If the Dems want to test the words of God, let them so the world will see how God will destroy the liberal Democrat States in America. When the nuke starts coming, nothing can stop it from landing in these states.

This is the final straw. This will end Democrats in America.

Posted by: spidermean2 |

Spidermean your an idiot.

Posted by: jmr862003 | May 30, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

You have the Bible thumpers that think Thomas Payne was a traitor for writing "The Age of Reason", you have the homophobes afraid of getting raped or fighting their thoughts about liking it, and you have the sensible like Powell. The thumpers are easy to distinguish, the macho men homophobes tougher to know which ethic drives them.

Posted by: jameschirico | May 30, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

After repealing the Don't Ask policy we should ask Colin Powell just how he could make that presentation to the UN of all of that purified malarkey about Iraq and the imminent threat they represented to our country? The next question would be just what is the constitutional requirements for the executive branch to be truthful in its presentations to the Congress and the taxpayers and all of the servicemen and women asked to risk their lives based on it?

Posted by: Wildthing1 | May 30, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

What's changed? Powell backs Obama.

Posted by: logicprevails | May 30, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Love your neighbor as thyself also means protecting your neighbors from harm. For that reason alone, Christians become very good at it and consequentially become ACE SOLDIERS.

NOT some idiotic screaming gay soldier whenever a bomb falls near them or doing homosexual acts in time of combat.

Posted by: spidermean2 | May 30, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

The Navy, Airforce and support people would have no problem as well as the Army and Marines not in the war theater. The non com grunts and jarheads in Afghanistan is another story and Gates knows it. The review will be finished when we start to withdraw troops from the Afghan theater and probably not before. Obama has always advocated Powell's new position and has the gay population as part of his political base, but war decisions rightfully are in line with the commanders advice. The gay communtiy may be angry, but the majority men with it on the line come first.

Posted by: jameschirico | May 30, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Since it's apparently because of the Christian soldiers (spiderman2) that gay soldiers shouldn't be allowed to serve, let's expand on that by musing how it is that a Christian is allowed to take up arms in the first place. Would you trust someone in the foxhole next to you whose prophet teaches that one should turn the other cheek when offered violence? A life in the military life is on the face of it antithetical to a Christian life, isn't it?

(When you follow the trolls, it's amazing where you end up …)

Posted by: maxpost | May 30, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

To DwightCollins:

Colin Powell is a Republican and doesn't want to be president. He has no reason to say thngs he doesn't believe in order to make the Democrats happy. He has always come across as speaking with integrity, so I believe he means what he says now.

Posted by: SilverSpringer1 | May 30, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

powell did so for political reasons...
how sad...
since he doesn't have to account for any consecuence...
he can endorse any dem political point...

Posted by: DwightCollins | May 30, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

There will be a series of wars coming. It's probably part of the PUNISHMENT the bible was talking about.

"Likewise, their men have given up natural sexual relations with women and burn with lust for each other. Men commit indecent acts with men, so they experience among themselves the PUNISHMENT they deserve for their perversion." (Romans 1:27)

"I will kill her children. Then all the churches will know that I am the one who searches hearts and minds..." (Rev. 2:23)

The word of God is like gravity. It will never fail to do its work.

Posted by: spidermean2 | May 30, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

In the first phase of WW3, America will be defeated. Let the gays serve during this phase. The Christian soldiers should resign and re-enlist again during the second phase of the war.

"Likewise, their men have given up natural sexual relations with women and burn with lust for each other. Men commit indecent acts with men, so they experience among themselves the PUNISHMENT they deserve for their perversion." (Romans 1:27)

"so they experience among themselves the PUNISHMENT they deserve for their perversion." (Romans 1:27)

If the Dems want to test the words of God, let them so the world will see how God will destroy the liberal Democrat States in America. When the nuke starts coming, nothing can stop it from landing in these states.

This is the final straw. This will end Democrats in America.

Posted by: spidermean2 | May 30, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

A popular political argument for permitting homosexuals to serve openly in the Marine Corps is that otherwise qualified Marines are being lost to the Corps solely due to their sexuality. That argument is unabashedly simplistic in failing to include the impact of homosexual Marines serving openly on Marines of conscience. In the first instance, the very nature of being Marines of conscience will prompt many of them to extricate themselves from such associations. A notable example of that imperative is the following Marine: On 2 February 1983, Captain Charles B. "Chuck" Johnson, USMC, of Neenah, Wisconsin jumped on an Israeli tank that tried to run through a Marine roadblock in Lebanon. He threatened to shoot the tank commander if he continued: The tank withdrew. Later, that Marine officer of conscience resigned his commission rather than compromise his moral convictions and serve with practitioners of homosexual acts tacitly protected by, "Don't ask. Don't tell." That action was a manifestation of the Biblical imperative voiced in The Epistle of James 2:14-26 that convictions are worthless unless practiced. If the United States Congress reverses itself and permits homosexuals Marines to serve openly, they will force from service and replace still more Marines who value and practice their conscience.
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How far are you going to ride that horse? It's almost dead.

Posted by: st50taw | May 30, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Gen. Colin Powell is a national treasure. I am so impressed by his reasonableness and intelligence. And I agree with him .. and also his vote against McCain/Failin'

Posted by: paris1969 | May 30, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

The good General also endorsed obama because he was post racial. We see how that worked out.

Posted by: economy48 | May 30, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"Things have changed", states Powell. Yup - but the only thing that has really changed is that Powell is a black supporting another black. Looks like racism among blacks is alive and well. Because you can 'betcha' that if the prez was white, Powell would be singing another tune.

Posted by: segeny | May 30, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Colin Powell is the man that should have been the first black president. Maybe someone can convince him to be the second.

Posted by: icmop911 | May 30, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"Alike for the nation and the individual, the one indispensable requisite is character--character that does and dares as well as endures, character that is active in the performance of virtue no less than firm in the refusal to do aught that is vicious or degraded." 

                                                                                               The Outlook, March 31, 1900
                                                                                                Theodore Roosevelt

A popular political argument for permitting homosexuals to serve openly in the Marine Corps is that otherwise qualified Marines are being lost to the Corps solely due to their sexuality. That argument is unabashedly simplistic in failing to include the impact of homosexual Marines serving openly on Marines of conscience. In the first instance, the very nature of being Marines of conscience will prompt many of them to extricate themselves from such associations. A notable example of that imperative is the following Marine: On 2 February 1983, Captain Charles B. "Chuck" Johnson, USMC, of Neenah, Wisconsin jumped on an Israeli tank that tried to run through a Marine roadblock in Lebanon. He threatened to shoot the tank commander if he continued: The tank withdrew. Later, that Marine officer of conscience resigned his commission rather than compromise his moral convictions and serve with practitioners of homosexual acts tacitly protected by, "Don't ask. Don't tell." That action was a manifestation of the Biblical imperative voiced in The Epistle of James 2:14-26 that convictions are worthless unless practiced. If the United States Congress reverses itself and permits homosexuals Marines to serve openly, they will force from service and replace still more Marines who value and practice their conscience.

For the rest of this thesis, see: http://www.thebutter-cutter.com/Marines_of_Conscience_or_Ho.php

Posted by: MAJUSMCRET | May 30, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

If you want the position of an iconic conservative, look no further than the late Senator Barry Goldwater: "The conservative movement, to which I subscribe, has as one of its basic tenets the belief that government should stay out of people's private lives. Government governs best when it governs least - and stays out of the impossible task of legislating morality. But legislating someone's version of morality is exactly what we do by perpetuating discrimination against gays.

"When you get down to it, no American able to serve should be allowed, much less given an excuse, not to serve his or her country. We need all our talent.

"Nobody thought that blacks or women could ever be integrated into the military. Many thought that an all-volunteer force could never protect our national interest. Well, it has, and despite those who feared the worst - I among them - we are still the best and will continue to be."

If Barry Goldwater can change his mind, why can't Colin Powell? Isn't consistency the hobgoblin of little minds?

To see Goldwater's well-reasoned defense of freedom in general and gay rights in particular, take a look at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/scotts/bulgarians/barry-goldwater.html

Posted by: MrBethesda | May 30, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: charlietuna666

With so few perverts in the population, why do we worry with them so much? Sexual deviation should still be a crime and gay people should be put in jail. At least they would be appreciated there.

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Another closeted GOP homophobe who needs help carrying his luggage across Europe and solicits the help of rentboy.com.

Posted by: waxtraxs | May 30, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Attention military homophobes: you may now leave the military and thus do your nation a favor. And on Memorial Day, try to get a clue that some of the men and women who gave their lives, who suffered catastrophic injuries and served nobly so you could have your freedom were gays. That's a fact, Jack.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | May 30, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

OH JEZUS PLEEZE LETS HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL AMERICANS, GAY OR STRAIGHT ASAP.

Posted by: willemkraal | May 30, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

2008: CNN exit polling showed self-identified gay, lesbian, and bisexual voters at 4% of the voting population in the United States presidential election, 2008.

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With so few perverts in the population, why do we worry with them so much? Sexual deviation should still be a crime and gay people should be put in jail. At least they would be appreciated there.

Posted by: charlietuna666 | May 30, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Real heroes, and adults, do change their minds and adjust their attitudes and perceptions as they age. It's called maturing.

To all who see Powell as a flip-flopper, I request that you grow up - although perhaps that requires a flip-flop toward maturity that is one step removed from the die-hard ignorant.

Posted by: josh13 | May 30, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Real heroes, and adults, do change their minds and adjust their attitudes and perceptions as they age. It's called maturing.

To all who see Powell as a flip-flopper, I request that you grow up - although perhaps that requires a flip-flop toward maturity that is one step removed from the die-hard ignorant.

Posted by: josh13 | May 30, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

This is irony at its best. Most posters here never spent a single 4-hour shift on guard duty in the US Military. Don't ask don't tell was the best that anyone could have hoped for in 1993. As of 1993 recruiters could no longer ask potential recruits about their sexuality. When I served in the US military I was asked specific questions about my sexuality and I was forced to lie. I served six honorable year as a gay male before DADT. If you’re some armchair military buff and never served please refrain from posting as you lack any credibility.

Posted by: waxtraxs | May 30, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Dear Washington Post:

Today I posted a comment on the article "Powell: 'Things have changed' on 'don't ask, don't tell'" and after previewing and submitting it my comment was incorrectly posted. The original comment was: ""There is no honor among thieves." "Times may change but people remain the same." "These socialist thinkers gave Obama the presidency." However, you guys posted it as: "There is no honor among thieves." "Times may change but people remain the same." same." "These socialist thinkers gave Obama the presidency." Why have you maligned me and why does the second "same" disappear when I highlight it for copy?

skottsmyth
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I don't think I'm alone in wondering W*T*F you are talking about?

Posted by: st50taw | May 30, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

To all those who criticize Colin Powell so harshly: is it possible, at all POSSIBLE, that a national leader could, in good faith, change his mind on an issue of national importance over a period of years?

Please do not tell me that the mere fact that he changed his mind is an indication of bad faith on his part. If that is your position, you are saying much more about you than about him, and what it says about you is pretty vile.

Posted by: savvynewyorker | May 30, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Colin Powell's new found support for repealing DADT doesn't excuse his bigotry in 1993. Powell will remain a disgrace to the United States until he apologizes for his hateful conduct 17 years ago.

Posted by: ashafer_usa | May 30, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

@chatard,

Maybe you'd better listen to some vets as well. If you served in war, and you think your survival didn't depend on gays, then you're dumber than a bag of hammers. You wouldn't know, because this policy says lie or die.

As to the rest of you rednecks with delusions of pink soldiers mincing up with handbags, get a grip! Real soldiers know, when moving your squad against hostiles, you don't give a damn who they date, as long as they shoot straight!

Oh, as to "dating", there's something called General Order 1. Look it up.

Don't you people do anything but parrot the same old bigotry? Heard the same crap arguments against women, blacks, on and on.

Posted by: lmb02 | May 30, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I had no idea so many people are that insecure regarding their own sexuality.

They're absolutely petrified at the notion that one of their own sex might find them attractive. If you can't handle the idea that a gay person might just look at you in the shower, you are a PANSY. Anything more than looking is asking for a broken nose. You know that. They know that.

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but I thought that anyone in the military guilty of disruptive behavior was subject to disciplinary action. Unwanted overtures of a sexual nature is sexual harassment regardless of the sex(s) involved.

Furthermore, why would any gay person who WANTED to serve in the military in the first place put his or her career at risk? Why would they want to alienate their comrades?

I bet if you asked any of the homosexuals who were outed or outed themselves how their behavior would change if DADT was repealed, they would tell you not at all. They would tell you they simply did not want to be made to feel that they were second class soldiers and that they were tired of living with the fear that their career could be ended solely because of their sexual orientation, even if they didn't act out any homosexual behavior.

Posted by: st50taw | May 30, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Dear Washington Post:

Today I posted a comment on the article "Powell: 'Things have changed' on 'don't ask, don't tell'" and after previewing and submitting it my comment was incorrectly posted. The original comment was: ""There is no honor among thieves." "Times may change but people remain the same." "These socialist thinkers gave Obama the presidency." However, you guys posted it as: "There is no honor among thieves." "Times may change but people remain the same." same." "These socialist thinkers gave Obama the presidency." Why have you maligned me and why does the second "same" disappear when I highlight it for copy?

skottsmyth

Posted by: skottsmyth | May 30, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

BlueTwo1.....The expert on military bearing, says any fallout from this gayness routine is not the problem for those imposing it; it's up to the authorities to 'deal with it'. Let some veterans tell you about dealing with things, your smartness. 230 years of American military history, American military victories, American heroism and valor, and freeing hundreds of millions of people from tyranny and slavery. Your smarmy little a$$ needs to be planted in front of the ghost of General George S. Patton, who would give YOU something to deal with.

Posted by: chatard | May 30, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"Things have changed. That was 17 years ago." Why, yes, Colin, that was an eternity ago, several millennia, when real men served in the military. In fact, Colin, while you're on this left-wing crusade with your homey, why don't you just recommend that the Constitution be abandoned? How long ago was THAT, Colin?

Posted by: chatard | May 30, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Powell has spent the past 17 years gilding his own lilly, rather than staying in touch with the mood of active-duty personnel. His flip-flop says much more about Powell's naked self-promotion than about rank-and-file service attitudes. Not that it is in any way new for time in the State Department to cloud the mind, swell the ego and sap the character of once independent thinkers like Powell.
SAD!!

Posted by: UncomfortableTruths | May 30, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

@Smarg,

Rather than show us all your racism and incredible stupidity regarding General Powell, you might try the very novel idea of THINKING. I know it's hard, Beck isn't here feeding you lies with his chalkboard, but really can think for yourself, instead of being another sucker making him rich.

Here's how you do it:

Google "Colin Powell". I know, really complicated.

Now, you'll find things called "biographies". They won't be on foxnews.com, now, but places like Wikipedia.com. Yes, there really are places that provide information without being "fair and balanced".

Now, here's the incredibly hard part, but I know you can do it. Read. Really read, without discarding anything you don't agree with. Actually consider the idea that you haven't been told everything you need to know to make decisions. That maybe, just maybe, you've been told things, not to inform you, but to manipulate you, or just keep you in the dark.

Oh, I know, you're writing me off as some fascist, socialist, communist, Beck's-"ist"-of -the-moment, but 30 years ago I was a diehard Nixon Republican. And then I decided I preferred to do my own thinking, rather than be told what to think by people who have their best interests in mind, not mine.

You can do it too. You may not like seeing some of your cherished beliefs revealed as not quite true, but you'll feel better not being used as someone's tool and fool.

Posted by: lmb02 | May 30, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

It turns out, but you wouldn't be interested, that homosexuality is part of the human condition. That some people find it appalling exposes a limitation in either their ability to think or in their upbringing. Everybody's sexuality lies on a continuum from totally not gay to completely gay. Just like heterosexuals, gay people are not given to inappropriately jumping bones. Those who are in the military are under orders to display military bearing. Military bearing means having respect for differences among and between individual human beings. Any problem the U.S. military has with adjusting to openly gay members is completely the responsibility of those authoritarians, who naturally gravitate to organizations in which they can exercise their natural inclination to arbitrarily and capriciously order people about, who consider homosexuality (except possibly their own) completely unacceptable.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | May 30, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

General powell seems to have taken lessons in flip flopping from his new buddy Mr. Obama.

Posted by: Hairless | May 30, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Things haven't changed,Powell has. As a recently retired infantry officer with a tour in Iraq - this is a terrible idea. This has nothing to do with combat effectiveness - Name one thing that this will make the US more effective in? It has everything to do with socially changing America.
Hundreds and Hundreds of Retired General Officers are against this because they know that this will erode the combat cchesion and effectiveness of our armed forces. The argument that Canada, the UK, Austraila, the Dutch, Isreal have effectively integrated gays holds no water. None of the contries (combined) could effectively stop the North Koreans, hell they can't even get their forces there.
If you've been in s locker room you've only experienced maybe 5% of it. Try living, showering, sleeping etc with a group (squad, platton, company, battalion) for weeks or months on end in the worst cramped conditions. The tention and stress is bad under almost all conditions. Try doing it in combat when lives are on the line.
I am ashamed of General Powell - he has forgotten what it is like to be one. I really expected better of you General.

Posted by: chargersix | May 30, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Well, we know where the racist homophobes are hanging out. Oh, sorry, guess you Klansmen are still touchy about "hanging" comments.

What next, get rid of the uppity Negras and those damn women who don't know their place is in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant?

Just burn two crosses and call us in the morning.

Morons.

Posted by: lmb02 | May 30, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't it worry anyone but me that the military that's supposed to be planning for every eventuality never saw where this "Don't Ask Don't Tell" thing might go? With 17 years notice? No one "war gamed" this thing? Really? There's been time for over 70% of the American people to come over to this way of thinking, but apparently the Pentagon was caught flat-footed by events, and Admiral Mullen has "questioned the timing" of it.

Luckily, there is a comprehensive review process in place that will be completed in December — that's one month after the general election.

Posted by: maxpost | May 30, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"There is no honor among thieves." "Times may change but people remain the same." "These socialist thinkers gave Obama the presidency."
"There is no honor among thieves." "Times may change but people remain the same." "These socialist thinkers gave Obama the presidency."

Posted by: skottsmyth | May 30, 2010 3:53 PM

Posted by: skottsmyth | May 30, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Powell has proved his critics right. He was just an affirmative action-promoted Black who rose too high for his abilities.

Just like our President, no?

Posted by: Smarg | May 30, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Powell is a liberal shill who like Specter betrayed all those that caused him to be in his present position. His opinions really don't matter these days.

Posted by: rplat | May 30, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"There is no honor among thieves." "Times may change but people remain the same." "These socialist thinkers gave Obama the presidency."

Posted by: skottsmyth | May 30, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"There is no honor among thieves." "Times may change but people remain the same." "These socialist thinkers gave Obama the presidency."

Posted by: skottsmyth | May 30, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

This Don't Ask/Don't Tell repeal doesn't go near far enough. What is needed to make up for past wrongs is an ALL GAY military. Like that band of Greek warriors, who was it Thebes, Thesbians something like that. It has many advantages, once word got out recruitment from the gay ranks shouldn't be a problem. Those opposed to homosexuality might not mind if it was only Gays being put at risk in wars. And it sure would put the fear of G-d in those Heathener Middle Eastern Types to hear we are planning to parachute in the 101st Fairies in their underwear, to kick a$%, take names and then have a queer military parade down their main street.

Besides, it looks like we are already much of the way to this type of military, at least we know most of the senior flag officers are a bunch of sissies. Can't wait for the next headline, come on now and tell us how important this repeal is "Stormin Norman"

Posted by: LincolnsWisdom | May 30, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"Open homosexual culture is demeaning to the military values."

The Spartans would be surprised to hear that.

Not to mention virtually every other modern western nation, which allow gays to serve in the military, and they seem to be doing fine. Israel, for instance, can't be accused of taking risks with its security, and it allows gay soldiers to openly serve.

It's no different than arguments against black soldiers serving in integrated units.

Posted by: SeanC1 | May 30, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

A person who in 17 years refuses to explore, learn, review, and sometimes change his opinions is not a man...he's a selfish, spoiled brat who has failed to, and will never, grow up. He starts ignorant -- and stays that way.

Posted by: mamapanda | May 30, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

A person who in 17 years refuses to explore, learn, review, and sometimes change his opinions is not a man...he's a selfish, spoiled brat who has failed to, and will never, grow up. He starts ignorant -- and stays that way.

Posted by: mamapanda | May 30, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

You people are pathetic. Anyone over the course of a life time who changes his or her mind is a flip flopper? It proves your ignorance and bigotry. Take your three cornered hats, old lawn chairs and heave your fat boddies and go back to your trailers.

As for Adm. Mike Mullen, he is getting dam close to insubordination. Since when does the DoD tell civilian authority what to do? Since when does the DoD approve or disapprove of what Congress does? This is close to a coup and the Joint Chiefs should resign or be arrested for treason.

Posted by: mjcc1987 | May 30, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

To quote my dad, 'A man who does not stand up for his values is not much of a man!'

Colin Powell has been moving further left with each passing year and has forever lost my respect.

It should be about strength of purpose not bending under the weight of expediency.

Posted by: imaginemore | May 30, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse


No doubt the loss of your respect will cost Powell many sleepless nights.

What you stand for isn't values or principles. You stand for the right to start ignorant and to stay that way.

Posted by: Attucks | May 30, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

This is classic: FLIP FLOP!

Posted by: beeker25 | May 30, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

To quote my dad, 'A man who does not stand up for his values is not much of a man!'

Colin Powell has been moving further left with each passing year and has forever lost my respect.

It should be about strength of purpose not bending under the weight of expediency.

Posted by: imaginemore | May 30, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Of course, Gates, the CJCS, Powell, they all favor smearing the Gay's HIV all over the military, because they will never deal with the results.

Next: militant homosexuals demanding weddings by chaplains, housing rights, transgender/transsexual cross-dressing rights...it's over.

God help us all.

Posted by: Smarg | May 30, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Powell is too close to polictics to have any credibility as an authority on military matters. Open homosexual culture is demeaning to the military values. It doesn't take a genious to understand this. A straight man does not want to work and live with homosexual. He might tolerate the homosexual at work, but he can't tolerate living with the homosexual.

Posted by: Kflke | May 30, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Congress never waits for a review. Not even a complete review.

Look at MMS. No environmental reviews, just permits.

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I saw Colin on Meet the Press for a little while and then made coffee. He was bumbling.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 30, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Black people have to look out for other black people. Bill Clinton originally wanted to repeal Don't ask don't tell, but Colin Powell made it hard for him to achieve his goal. But now his black buddy wants to repeal DADT so Powell has to change his mind.

Posted by: kingsbridge77 | May 30, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

ANd just what was Powell promised in order to be a 'turn coat' on this issue?
The Service Chiefs should be resigning over this.

Posted by: KBlit | May 30, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

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