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Boehner suggests raising Social Security age

By Rachel Weiner
In an interview Tuesday with the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, House Minority Leader John Boehner (Ohio) suggested raising the retirement age for Social Security to pay for Afghanistan.

Ensuring there's enough money to pay for the war will require reforming the country's entitlement system, Boehner said. He said he'd favor increasing the Social Security retirement age to 70 for people who have at least 20 years until retirement, tying cost-of-living increases to the consumer price index rather than wage inflation and limiting payments to those who need them.
"We need to look at the American people and explain to them that we're broke," Boehner said. "If you have substantial non-Social Security income while you're retired, why are we paying you at a time when we're broke? We just need to be honest with people."

Boehner also said Democratic leadership was "snuffing out the America that I grew up in," and compared financial reform to "killing an ant with a nuclear weapon."


If you're curious how raising the income cap instead would affect Social Security, check out this chart.

Obama said Monday that he would call on Congress to address debt and the deficit.

"Next year when I start presenting some very difficult choices to the country, I hope some of these folks who are hollering about deficits and debt step up, because I'm calling their bluff," he said.

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If I was an accountant entrusted with someone's funds and took them out with no intention of putting them back that would be embezzlement.

When the government does it to the social security fund why is it not embezzlement?

Do we not any recourse as a citzen and taxpayer?

I have an idea. Lets put all these policymakers on the same retirement and health care plan and see how they like it.

Did you know both the house and the senate just voted themselves raises AGAIN?

The funding of the war has NOTHING to do with social security and medicare. If they would go to line item veto and vote on each expenditure on its on merit we could end all the wasted tax dollars on pet projects.

VOTE BOEHNER OUT NOW!!

Posted by: pickthebestpolicy | July 3, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I am a Vietnam era veteran. I am a woman. Unfortunately, I cannot use my GI benefits, because too much time has passed. I think that is ridiculous; why should you lose benefits? Anyway, I won a scholarship, because of what I wrote about my life. I am a member (not official) of the Tea Party; being from New ENGLAND, I really relate, and used to say a lot....we need another tea party; someone was listening, LOL

I have worked for 45 years, and the majority of citizens are baby-boomers, close to retirement. I cannot imagine raising the social security age to 70. Guess they might be hoping a lot of us croak before we can retire.

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Posted by: wacalice | July 2, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

1. Taxpayer money is not for Congress and Senate to SPEND.
2. World War 2 was funded with Soc. Sec. money, so today the politicians are just repeating what had been done in the past. Plus the money was never put back into the SS fund.
3. Watch the TV show "Lie To Me." This is what i see while watching Boehner. He looks drunk and hung over, and obviously does not know the truth about Bush and Cheney and their shenagigans.
4. 1995 the news reported over 700 billion dollars sort of disapeared in the Department of Defense and was never found. Well guess whose deep pocket it went into. Not mine.
OUR POLITICIANS HAVE SHOWN US THEY CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO HANDLE ANY MONEY, ESPECIALLY TAXPAYER MONEY.
5. So, if SS money is left alone, it will build interest and not have problems.
The amount of taxpayers in the 1940's were a lot less than how many people work today and put into SS. Do the math. The fund should not be broke.

Posted by: svenskasandy | July 2, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if tea party members are going to picket his office with signs reading: "Keep your hands off my Social Security, you socialist!". Probably not, he is a white Republican and they will give him a pass. If the President would have suggested the same thing, the Tea Partiers would be screaming for impeachment. Hypocrites!

Posted by: CMAN27 | July 1, 2010 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Just send the war bills to Bush & Cheney.
Afterall, when their savings are reduced to $2000. they may quaify for medicaid like many other citizens.

Posted by: kacameron | June 30, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

How about John Boehner retire today? Or that the voters of his district throw him out before he throws all of them out?

Posted by: jjedif | June 30, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

This is crazy Boehner! I have worked over 30 years and I want my Social Security money back when I am 62! The government better not take that away from the American People!! Leave our Social Security Money Alone!!!

Posted by: deborahmadden | June 30, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

YEP! That's John Bone-header at his finast. I have a much better idea. Cut all Senators and house members in half and then put them on the same pension plan that regular federal employees have. Come on people help me out on this idea. Where are the TEA BAGGERS when we need them.

Posted by: SWAMPYPD | June 30, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Hummm! Let me see.

Raise the SS Age to pay for the Republican's Trillion dollar War in Iraq, and their no bid contracts.

Don't give SS to those that have worked their entire life to save, or have a good retirement income from their employer.

This makes me want to go out and join the Tea Party. On second thought they are now just a branch being used by these Republican idiots.

Posted by: bgholder | June 30, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

What we need is a minimum IQ requirement for Congress -- to keep congenital cretins like Boehner out.

Posted by: WhateverHeSaid | June 30, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Lets funnel SS to Hailiburton or whatever they are calling themselves these days. We need to make up the money Cheney lost to Madoff. Bohner is a very scary person. Even scarier are those that continue to vote for him.

Posted by: jmacomber | June 30, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Love it, cut SS to pay for the wars, and of course any future wars, I am just speechless, and what is really sad, there are people out there willing to vote for this guy. LOL.
Just think what could be achieved with 98 Dems, O. Snowe and Susan Whatsherface in the Senate after Nov.

Posted by: fimclennan | June 30, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Boehner is partly correct when saying this is, "... not the America that I grew up in,"
That's because more of the tax burden was shifted from the rich to the middle class, corporations have increased say in political decisions, and our education system has collapsed due to school administrators focus on 1) money per student and 2) reacting to the loudest parents resulting in less focus on education.

I am not saying a 70% tax on the wealthiest, when John was growing up, was the wisest idea but shifting the load to the middle class is insane. Reagan raised taxes both as a Governor and a President. Taxes have to be implemented again. The race to the bottom is definitely not what Boehner knew when he grew up but it is what he is working to create. This idea the Laffer curve worked is just that, just an idea and a myth.

Congress actually worked through compromise to make the processes work better when Boehner was growing up instead of becoming a rigid ideological political vending machine. We should take away Congress's retirement to match the retirement benefits the American people now receive. We should take away from Congress the ability to draw legislative districts. We should make Congress transparent. When are we going to do so?

Posted by: sambrown9 | June 30, 2010 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Boner has about as much sense as the back side of a horse, but then he is a typical rebublican, Screw the little guy, again and again and again. The fact that there are any rebeblicans in government shows the whole world how stupid Americans really are.

Posted by: sammsammus | June 29, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Boehner's last name is starting to sound more like bone head.

Is he NUTS!

If Republican's stop initiating WARs, or would have finished what they started at least 5 years ago, there would be no need to keep raising the retirement age, so that they can continue to steal from SS.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | June 29, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

If you stop pouring money down ratholes, then you won't need to gyp retirees.

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Posted by: kaixindian | June 29, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse


If you want to tell the Truth, tell the WHOLE TRUTH, not just the part that you like. We're going broke over GOVERNMENT SPENDING, Republican and Democrat. Now you propose to turn Social Security into a tax rather than its intended purpose.
You've got a ton of money for unnecessary war, Israel and your buddies on Wall St. but you say we have to cut a program the people have paid for but government has depleted.

I suggest you stop the wars, stop aid to Israel, cut defense by 20% (Just send 50% of troops stationed around the world home to protect our southern border) put a tax on incoming products made by labor that undercuts American labor and you'll have all the money needed to fund social security, our teachers, pave the roads and put America back on its feet.

But you won't because your a Republican. Obama won't because he's a Democrat. The problem with this country is the Democrats have no spine and the Republicans have no brains.

Posted by: thestoryplease | June 29, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I have a better idea, get out of both wars. Then cut his pension and all sentors and congressmen.
Sderf

Posted by: sderf | June 29, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I have a better idea, get out of both wars. Then cut his pension and all sentors and congressmen.
Sderf

Posted by: sderf | June 29, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I have a better idea, get out of both wars. Then cut his pension and all sentors and congressmen.
Sderf

Posted by: sderf | June 29, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I have a better idea, get out of both wars. Then cut his pension and all sentors and congressmen.
Sderf

Posted by: sderf | June 29, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Boehner said "We need to look at the American people and explain to them that we're broke," Boehner said. "If you have substantial non-Social Security income while you're retired, why are we paying you at a time when we're broke? We just need to be honest with people.""

Will he also explain to the American people that the Congress took Three Billions Dollars of payroll tax payments for Social Security and Medicare and spent it.

Will he also explain to the American people that the Republicans are perfectly willing to cash out U.S. Treasury securities held by China and Saudi Arabia, but that they balk at cashing out the U.S. Treasury securities held by the Social Security and Medicare trust funds?

Rep. Boehner feels that seniors with have substantial non-Social Security income while you're retired apparently should not receive Social Security until they are at least age 70. Apparently he considers paying out 6.3% of your earned income from age 18 to age 67 is just a contribution to Congress. Perhaps he will next suggest putting the ingrate retirees on an ice floe.

Rep. Boehner also sees no disconnect between telling people to work until they are 70 (which they can do right now) and the limited number of jobs available to people 50 or older. There are almost no employment opportunities for Americans over sixty.

Employers do not want to pay for competence and experience, and employers do not want to provide healthcare insurance for older, much less any, employees.

Jobs that corporations can't move to China are extended to foreign citizens on temporary H1-b visa programs. Corporate profits are moved to offshore subsidiaries or tax havens. Congress continues to enjoy the free lunches and vacations provided by Lobbyists.

Posted by: ThoseWhoServe | June 29, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse


Try this idea, get out of Afghanistan completely and with finality. Bush-Obama mano e Mano BS, who is the toughest contest is also BS. Or better put, the "war" in Afghanistan is the true reality of FUBAR.

Posted by: nalaegral | June 29, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

"Boehner does NOT recommend raising retirement age because he WANTS to - but because the drunken-spending of Obama and Democrats have left few options.

Well, Democrats, liberals, and Progressives? How will you solve the debt crisis? "

We get a time machine and go back to 2000, before Bush had turned Clinton's huge surplus into a huge deficit.

Amazing how dumb you people are. You think Obama blew the federal treasury? Didn't your mommy explain to you about what happened in the last decade?

Posted by: thrh | June 29, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

John: have you ever heard the term applied to a proposal or bill D-O-A??? That's what the war spending that you no doubt have kept voting for for umpteen years, in lockstep with your Republican colleagues including the most-recent former President. There is zero linkage between Social Security and the war. Instead, I suggest voting on I think it was retiring Rep. Obey's idea to have a surtax (income tax), with those monies dedicated entirely towards the wars. The timing of this is poor, however, but it doesn't take a genius to know that we'd already be out of Iraq and Afghanistan if the Bush administration hadn't wimped out and charged the costs to the national credit card. While we're moving out of places, we should let Europe and Asia defend themselves, or at the very least contribute towards our troops being there. I agree with goldwaithe - we should start with Congressional entitlements. I'd suggest: pensions based on 2% of high 5 years; health care at the average cost Americans pay - those with medical care and not; no salary or benefit increases so long as the national debt is increasing, capped at COLA when zero or decreasing until it's paid off. Social Security and Medicare should be dealt with separately, but Congress couldn't even muster the votes to make it a binding up or down vote on the commission's recommendations. Pathetic.

Posted by: abcs86 | June 29, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

A better idea: instead of raising the retirement age, just quit funding Congress. No salary, no expense accounts, no perks. Nothing. Not even Boehner's tanning bed expenses.

Posted by: thrh | June 29, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

This fool will be Speaker of the House if the Republicans win control of the House in November. Is America ready to finance it's wars via Social Security? Get ready for more stupid ideas thanks to the Republicans if they win in November.

Posted by: merrylees | June 29, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Another lying, liberal spin.

Boehner does NOT recommend raising retirement age because he WANTS to - but because the drunken-spending of Obama and Democrats have left few options.

Well, Democrats, liberals, and Progressives? How will you solve the debt crisis?

What have Democrats done so far? Passed bill after bill and pork after pork...ad nauseum.

Posted by: joesmithdefend | June 29, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Boehner's been wrong on everything he's touched since he was elected. Who can possible take him seriously??

Posted by: thebobbob | June 29, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

That would "pretty well solve the problem"? Is that idiot actually saying he's "had enough" of Congress not working together? The King of NO? He'd START by eliminating social security and that would fix things?! Watch out Gram and Gramps: the GOP is looking to fix it so you WISH there were death panels...cause your social security is about to be stolen away by the GOBP. What will they take after that? Good question, huh?

Posted by: blosmurph | June 29, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Talk about "snuffing out the America that I grew up in" -- this moron wants me to have to wait longer than my parents did (well...the one parent who managed to live long enough to collect Social Security, that is) before I can finally retire on the Social Security I PAID INTO -- because he can see no other way to pay for war. How about upping the dollar maximum for earned income on which Federal income tax is paid -- or eliminating that maximum altogether? That would ensure that everyone who has earned income is paying in on ALL that earned income -- a far fairer situation than what we have today, where people who don't hit the maximum (a bit over $100K today) pay on 100% of their income, while higher-income earners pay only on that first $100-or-so-K and NOTHING on the rest. That would pay not only for John Boehner's wars, but would also ensure Social Security's solvency, so I could still retire at 66 (not even 65 anymore)...and enjoy the America "I grew up in!" What a two-bit hypocrite Boehner is...and why am I not in the least bit surprised?

Posted by: marcywrite | June 29, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Where do you talking about "entitlement" programs. The American people are entitled to Social Security and unemployment benefits because they are "entitled to their own money". Rep Boehner I would call your salary, benefits, retirement, etc an "entitlement" program. You work, if one would call it that, a few short hours daily, go on vacation every few weeks, spend my money, live on my money, don't listen to a word I have to say and at the end you are set for life. Perhaps we should take a look at you.

Posted by: gjs8 | June 29, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

If Boner is going to work until he's 70, let's find him a new line of work NOW. I'm pretty sure I know of some stables where the stalls need mucking out, and he's really good at shoveling that kind of stuff. . . .

Posted by: jlhare1 | June 29, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

If we could get back every penny both Democrat and Republican politicians have stolen or earmarked to their buddies in the past decade alone, we could pay for the wars and fix soc. sec.

Heck, Pelosi's new office space costs 24.5 annual soc. sec. recipient's incomes...

Posted by: deadmanwalking | June 29, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Boehner wants us all to work until 70 (or death whichever comes first) and Sharon Angle wants to get rid of social security. The GOP votes to block the unemployment checks to a desperate citizenship that bailed the Big Banks after Bush started two wars at a billion per day price tag. Oh! Great idea!!! Let's put the GOP back in the driver's seat. Did I mention they are very sorry BP has been so inconvenienced in the Gulf? What damn fools we are.

Posted by: blosmurph | June 29, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

He is not the only politician who wants to raise the retirement age to seventy.All the politicians raped Social Security.Congress made this possible in the sixties when they passed a law to put Social Security payroll deductions into the general revenue fund.None of the people who serve in DC serve for the people.Because they can work past seventy doing their nothing jobs they want us to do it.Neither party is good for the people.I think they should give up their retirement packages and live on Social Security and Medicare.They could see how we live.Vote all incumbants out.Start a bigger Independent Party.Get rid of all the losers.

Posted by: donniesears2000 | June 29, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Sure, shift the burden of the costs of war to the seniors while continuing to allow the defense industry and other major corporations to hide billions and billions in profits in off shore tax havens.

"The middle class, by and large, plays by the rules, then watches as its jobs disappear -- and the Senate takes a break instead of extending unemployment benefits. The corporate class games the system -- making sure its license to break the rules is built into the rules themselves.

One of the most glaring examples of this continues to be the ability of corporations to cheat the public out of tens of billions of dollars a year by using offshore tax havens. Indeed, it's estimated that companies and wealthy individuals funneling money through offshore tax havens are evading around $100 billion a year in taxes -- leaving the rest of us to pick up the tab. And with cash-strapped states all across the country cutting vital services to the bone, it's not like we don't need the money."

Posted by: brewski | June 29, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey Boehner - why don't you do something really constructive and suggest that housewives/husbands that never paid a dime into ss have to stop getting the 50% freebie on top of their working spouse's take? (i.e., husband works & gets $800 per month - wife gets a free $400 on top of that!). If we want to look at ways to save social security, then simply make it a "pay and you play system"...no pay, no take. The system would be toally solvent if those that never paid a dime in wasn't taking bucks out(& no they aren't illegal's!!). Never voting republikkkan again - these folks are an embarrassment to our nation, talking out both sides of their mouths while taking care of their rich cronies and themselves.

Posted by: Sherry91 | June 29, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Cut. Print. Run commercial. Strangle these goons before they actually do get control again.

Posted by: gjcomm | June 29, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

What a disgusting piece of trash masquerading as a human being! Pay for Bush's wars off the backs of the elderly. We wouldn't have the problem of paying for the wars, as idiotic as they are, if Bush, Boehner and the rest of the "Greedy Ole Party" has not passed out billions of tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans at the same time they were spending billions blowing up things and killing people without any purpose. The audacity to say that senior citizens who have some "means" should forego their meager social security payments because the country is broke is the most heartless thing that I have ever heard even from greedy Republicans. How about instead, your super wealthy friends that line your pockets get by with a few billion less than is required. It might mean, God forbid, giving up one or two of their six houses, the family yacht, memberships in country clubs around the nation and their multi-million dollar CEO salaries, but they can damn sure afford it better than poor social security recepients. I hope you get soundly and definitively beaten in the next election. Surely, a majority of your constituents could not possibly share your lack of values and humanity!

Windell Courson

Posted by: wcourson | June 29, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

We have fought 2 wars without anyone feeling any pain but the warriors themselves.Boner is a coward and allways will be we are broke because of there policies not anyone elses.He sits there as if he is some sort of oracle he has never had a good answer and more than likely never will take the cap off ssi and raise taxes you cowards sacrifice is needed by all not 1%.People of his ilk talk of sacrifice and patriotism as a matter of conveniece and politcal expidience nothing more.I have walked the line done the dirty work that was asked of me and more than likely will not live to see seventy because of my service Boner will have the luxury of growing old alot of us do not have that luxury.Where is his self sacrifice his dedication to country how dare he call his job service to county it offends me

Posted by: kmb9b | June 29, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

What a disgusting piece of trash masquerading as a human being! Pay for Bush's wars off the backs of the elderly. We wouldn't have the problem of paying for the wars, as idiotic as they are, if Bush, Boehner and the rest of the "Greedy Ole Party" has not passed out billions of tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans at the same time they were spending billions blowing up things and killing people without any purpose. The audacity to say that senior citizens who have some "means" should forego their meager social security payments because the country is broke is the most heartless thing that I have ever heard even from greedy Republicans. How about instead, your super wealthy friends that line your pockets get by with a few billion less than is required. It might mean, God forbid, giving up one or two of their six houses, the family yacht, memberships in country clubs around the nation and their multi-million dollar CEO salaries, but they can damn sure afford it better than poor social security recepients. I hope you get soundly and definitively beaten in the next election. Surely, your a majority of your constituents could not possibly share your lack of values and humanity!

Windell Courson

Posted by: wcourson | June 29, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Not too much analysis out there on economics. Spending is about 8 to 9 thousand dollars per person at the federal level. For those of you that have gone to public schools, that means you should be paying at least $8500 if you are single, $17,000 if there are two of you, $25,500 if there are three of you, $36,000 if there are four of you (and so on if you learned to multiply). Now ask yourselves, are you paying your fair share?

Posted by: vitaglubet | June 29, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Boehner could have been braver and suggested we make biscuits out of old people. That would serve two purposes.

As an incentive, the old folks would get to enjoy one fantasy of their choice before being turned into Soylent Green.

Posted by: kishorgala | June 29, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Boehner could have been braver and suggested we make biscuits out of old people. That would serve two purposes.

As an incentive, the old folks would get to enjoy one fantasy of their choice before being turned into Soylent Green.

Posted by: kishorgala | June 29, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

BOEHNER IS THE PROBLEM!

Posted by: richard13423 | June 29, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

What a boner!

Posted by: kishorgala | June 29, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Rep. Boehner still has the "Approved!" rubber-stamp from the Cheney/Bush years.

Posted by: kishorgala | June 29, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I suggest you put Boehner at the front of the line to work until HE is 70 and then JUST collect Social Security and live on that

Posted by: cmajic | June 29, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't Boehner start paying for the war when it was declared? During much of the Bush presidency, the GOP was in charge in both houses, but they made no attempt to balance the budgets or pay for the wars. Now Mr. Boehner rises from his tanning bed and thinks Social Security should help pay for the wars, ten years into the war. What an idiot!!!!

Posted by: merrylees | June 29, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I am sure Rep. Boehner had proposed the same thing to George Bush - "Raise the SS age to pay for the wars."

And one half of the national asset wiped out, the world brought to near disaster was just an "ant?"

One wonders if his condition is genetic.

Posted by: kishorgala | June 29, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

There has been some insane garbage coming off the lips of Republicans in this Congress of NO, but Boehner takes the cake on lunacy with the remark that social security increases should be made to pay for the wars we are in. It only demonstrates the absolute simplicity of his thinking and the degree to which his skull has been emptied. The Iraq war was illegal and should never have been undertaken. There was no provision made for paying for it under the Republican philosophy of "we aren't paying for anything". The Afghan war was botched by Dumbya and The Dick in favor of the illegal war, and it was not funded and paid for, either.

Social security is to pay for the care and keeping of those who have worked for years and have been promised care for their senior years. THAT IS INVIOLATE, PERIOD.

Boehner, keep your damn hands off of social security, and pay for these wars by letting the rich folks' tax breaks expire, close the offshore tax breaks for corporations that you helped pass, and end the wars so that they will no longer be a drain. Yes, Mrs. Gump, Stupid is as Stupid does.

Posted by: ronjeske | June 29, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Boner should be ashamed of himself. He and his ilk want raid grandma's retirement account to pay for Bush's "forever wars". Between the military-industrial complex and the thieves in the healthcare industry, America doesn't stand a chance. These a-holes (with the help of thier minions like Boehner) are going to squeeze every last dime out of the middle class in this country.

Posted by: unclemattie | June 29, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Dear Professor Reich:

Thank you for noticing that,"... the hourly wage of the typical American with a job continues to drop, adjusted for inflation".

However there is an additional factor in that the "Inflation" Corrections are biased by a CPI that heavily understates Inflation due to a series of attacks on the CPI started by President Reagan and which have not been acknowledged by the Government or any other institution.

These biases have made a mockery of wages and Social Security Benefits and the final indignity was the Social Security Commission Zeroing the COLA for 2010 and possibly 2011, in the face of near Runaway Inflation.

Social Security Annuitants and ordinary people who work for wages are being crushed.

The Following was posted on another Blog in 2007-

"WWII was followed by a huge increase in American Labor's productivity that has never relented. To deal with any Luddite fears, we were promised much more liberal working conditions- at one time, a 3 or 4 day work week, European type vacations, early retirement and a life of moderate ease was considered possible. An end to 7 day 12 hour work until we drop dead in our harness like mine ponies and are dragged to the dump. We had attained a relative Utopia - affordable medical care, low inflation, low interest rates, earlier retirement, greater job safety, single income households, low taxes, low crime, disability pension if we were hurt, security for our kids if the Breadwinner died- a relative Utopia indeed. Since the 1970s though, the race has been to the bottom. Now we work longer hours, retirement being pushed off by the government with an eye to ending it completely. We are paid less, even by the Govts calculus, we are losing ground to inflation and the actuality is made worse by a CPI that is understated by about 2 per-cent per year. People compensating for lower wages with debt- mind numbing credit card, mortgage and government debt- in an unstable state that any recession or falling Real Estate prices will unhinge. Squandering what we have in insane wars. Well, Im getting tired of typing, but will wind up with a comment for the guy who brags that we ought to bust our backs working Night and Day like the Indians do. Screw you Buddy, I only get one go-around and I want a life of some security, time to enjoy my family and should one of us take sick, reasonable medical care and hope that when my mind and body are finally spent, a few years in a rocking chair. Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com

By mchaun | Mar 13, 2007 1:09:01 AM"

Regards,
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com

Posted by: mchaun | June 29, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Why does'nt someone in Washington request a lawful treaty from the President (commander), which would allow Congress (Senate) to end the war, and which would further define reparations to be made by the defeated enemy? Could it be that such treaty would derive political gain from battlefield victory? Could such a treaty compel Afghanistan to to yield some of the vast mineral wealth, recently discovered?
Eisenhower said: "Public opinion wins wars". Did he mean that an effective treaty, put before the American people, would gain popular support, especially if such treaty included reparations from the defeated enemy? If a lawful treaty with Iraq required sale of oil to the U.S. at $30.00 a barrel, do you think the American public opinion would say "We won, and lower cost oil is our gain"? If only Congress can declare war, is it not correct that only Congress (Senate) can officially end war, by approval of the President's treaty? Will we allow the President to declare unto the Congress that war is over, whether it likes it or not? Without Senate approval of an effective treaty, would not the President commit treason, if he simply withdraws the troops, and says "it's over"? Is it correct that the American people have paid for the war already, with the blood of over 1000 soldiers? Why can't we conceive of a way to cause the Afghans to pay for the war, instead of the American tax payers?

Thank you for allowing me to express these thoughts.

Posted by: swordmakerkurtisdavis | June 29, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

No, no NO. Payments into the Social Security system are not meant to fund wars or programs other than those under the Social Security umbrella. It is not a slush fund for thieves like Boehner to grab from. Go somewhere else. I didn't see him or any of his ilk offering to give up any of their benefits for the cause, and they sure as heck ought to leave what's not theirs alone. This man is disgusting and arrogant. He's got his and obviously doesn't care about the American people. Sure, work everyone from the cradle to the grave, that way Social Security payouts will be significantly reduced. How about just removing the capped amount beyond which people's earnings are taxed for the program? That would make far more sense. While we're at it, get rid of the congressional retirement package and plunk them all into the Social Security system. What's good enough for us should surely be good enough for them. Enough is enough.

Posted by: sober1 | June 29, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I must have missed the part where Senator "Perma-tan" proposed cutting any benefits to fund the Iraq war!

Posted by: shoedsp | June 29, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"Is it only coincidence that Mr. "Boner" is talking about screwing the Vietnam vets that are beginning to retire to pay for the current war? Or is he really that despicable?

Posted by: Virginiadem1 | June 29, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse"

Reagan/Bush slashed VA budgets and closed down VA Hospital assets wholesale. The only thing they have ever done for Vets is increase the number of burial plots in National Cemeteries.

Coward/Alleged Thief/Traitor/Insubordinate/GOP Stalwart MacArthur led a Cavalry Charge against the WWI Vets, killing some and burning their tents.

For his nearly successful attempt to commence Nuclear War against China, The General was given a Standing Ovation by the Republicans in Congress.

Korean War Vets were treated with Insulin and Electro Shock Treatments to help them forget the atrocities they had witnessed. One who decried the No Gun Ri Slaughter is still in a Federal Prison on trumped up charges because he remembered too much.

Viet Nam Vets were left to fend for themselves and were called Weak Sisters and Whiners by their Pig-s_hit Officers and called Junkies by the Veterans Organizations.

There wouldn't have been a GI Bill for WWII Vets if the Republicans had been in office during the War.

Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com

Posted by: mchaun | June 29, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Boehner is an idiot who has been in congress way too long. He can smirk and mouth off whenever he wants because he represents a very safe conservative district who's residents will vote for him as long as he lives. He should have thought about how to finance war before voting for involvement. Take his pension, his free haircuts, and his subsidized meals in the house restaurant away from him and listen to the whining then. That man has spent too long in the tanning booth. It has fried his brain.

Wait! Afghanistan is China's neighbor. With 2.3 million Chinese troops available for war, let them handle the rabble.

Posted by: Bayshoregail | June 29, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Boehner may want to review how Soc. Sec. has been raided by politicians like himself for their own pet projects.
Certainly, John is not suggesting that anyone tamper with his benefits.
Just what we need, another Government Agency to determine what level of income other than SS one needs to live on during retirement.
His pockets are lined so he is just fine. Now lets go after the folks who eek by each month and tap them. He needs to put a sock in his big mouth.

Posted by: NobleDog | June 29, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

America has the lowest taxes in the industrialized world excepting New Zealand.

Social Security runs a SURPLUS.

Wasn't Boehner one of the guys who was crying about cutting Medicare during the Health Care Reform debate?

Posted by: JRM2 | June 29, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

It is now time to Limit Senators to 2 terms in office and Representatives to 12 years. In other words, no more career thieves, I mean: politicians.

Posted by: richardcolonel | June 29, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Work where? There are not enough jobs for the work force now. What happens when we add 5-8 years to the working life of people who thought they could retire at 62-67? Mr. Boehner is just trying to make certain the Republicans never regain the White House. Thanks John!

Posted by: anitamitchell | June 29, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Boehner's a birdbrain. But let's give him credit for proposing something that Bush did without asking, raiding Social Security to pay for two wars, one thrown away to divert to another based entirely on a fictional universe where he still resides. As for his childhood, rather than suggesting that the passage of time and inevitability of change can be blamed on a few years of a Democratic majority, he might want to retreat to his den for a continuous loop of "Back to the Future" and "Peggy Sue Gets Married".

Posted by: Koko3 | June 29, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with our stupid Representatives and idiot Senators? While many people who worked for a living, instead of living off of others, they were also paying their income taxes, They were also paying into medicare and into Social Security. It's been known that the Social Security fund was very hefty and that when our lazy politicians saw that money they figured they could pay for their pet projects before anyone could figure out where the money was coming from. But the word is out that they have been helping themselves to money that is not theirs to spend but belongs to the people who put it there.
why don't they wise up and put the money back and then find another source for their projects.
These so called Senators who have been in office for more than two terms, need to return their wages earned after the initial first two terms served, before they leave office by the end this month.

Besides Social Security was not intended to pay for whatever came up. This fund should have been left alone from the beginning and set aside for the people who actually contributed to it.

Posted by: richardcolonel | June 29, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I have paid into social security for over 50 years and am still paying the full amount each year. For a Republican who is against tax increases to now say that I should not get a dime of social security because I have other income is outrageous.

Posted by: trottime1 | June 29, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

If Republicans had their way, they would eliminate social security and use the amount saved for corporate welfare. One way to reduce the deficit is to cut the defence bugdet. The amount spent on our armed forces equals that spent by the armed forces of the rest of the planet combined. Do we really need or can we really need such a huge expenditure? However, no politician either or the right or the left dare talk of cutting the defence budget.

Posted by: kms123 | June 29, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Flipping idiot!! I thought Democrats were bad enough, but now we have some Republican moron suggesting that social security pay for a war.

I agree with several statements made:

1. Kick all of the representatives and congress butts out
2. Kick Obama out sooner
3. Take back our government
4. Bring our soldiers home

Posted by: jimcurry1 | June 29, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"we're broke" Boehner says, but if one bothers to ask why we have to postpone retirement, amke the sacrifice, etc. it's because Boehener and his ilk got us two failed wars that cost $3 trillion, gave $3 trillion in tax cuts to the rich which did nothing for anyone else, and because Boehner & Co. let Wall Street run amok for years unsupervised. He should give up his pension and take a 75% salary cut for his failures instead of trying to offload his responsibilities on everyone else

Posted by: JANSELME | June 29, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

For those of you complaining about this age increase IDEA, I would like to remind you that you voted for Obama and he said he wanted to "spread the wealth" so now is you chance to spread so of yours! Do not be greeding here! There is nothing wrong with you waiting a year or two so someone else can get theirs now! That is all that is being suggested! This fundamental change is good is it not! Shouldn't you spread your wealth too or does that statement not apply to dems. Perhaps you feel you should be able to retire at 55 and make others retire at 70!

Posted by: usmc1969 | June 29, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I have often suggested that the U.S. and Israel be listed as terrorist nations.
How many wars have they waged and how many have they killed.
Rather heartening to see they, Mr. B in particular now attempting to terrorize Americans by idiocy!

Posted by: gany1 | June 29, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Seventy is too high to raise the retirement age and it certainly shouldn't be done to pay for this war! YOU, Mr. Boehner, are ruining the America I grew up in...the America that was once strong and revered, the America that cared about it's own people enough to protect them from the CORRUPT policies of corporate America and our financial system. Corporate America is an important part of our system, but the immoral policies that have allowed some businesses to make unbridled profits at the expense of the rest of us must end and you, Mr. Boehner, are doing everything you can to ensure that those policies remain intact. Now you want to take from our most vulnerable citizens to feed your lust for war? Disgusting!!!

Posted by: luvdc8 | June 29, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Bonr is an absolute idiot.

The GOP leaders in congress are having the same affect on their followers that McChrystal had on his troops--BAD.

In the case of the GOP, they are attempting to win elections at the expense of our country through divisive hate-politics, racism, and bigotry--bonr and mcconnell are a recipe for disaster for America, and anyone who "follows" their ideology is whacked.

Posted by: dematheart | June 29, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Last time I checked the dems hae been in control since 2006 election! The dems also kept the wars funded and spent like a wild bunch since then. 2006 election was 3.5 years ago and what have you done since!
Obamacare and continued two failed wars! Obama is a total failure! You dems have had a majority and still can not pass a damnnnn thing besides a 1.5 trillion dollar entitlement called Obamacare!
You have done nothing but extend unemployment to 99 weeks in some cases and nothing about jobs! You spent billions shoring up unions and public sector jobs and their unions! You want to be socialist when all the other socialist nation are failing!

Posted by: usmc1969 | June 29, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I suggest we make congress a volunteer unpaid patriotic job.
Then see how many are devoted and keep God blessing America while they try every which way to screw the average American.
Boehner one among many with a screw loose, and not only Republicans!

Posted by: gany1 | June 29, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Get out of Afghanistan, Iraq, and any other foreign country that we maintain troops in NOW! Then dump our membership in the UN, NATO and any other treaty we blow billions of dollars away in. Charge rent for the UN headquarters or tell them to go someplace else. None of these entanglements has done any of US any good. Perhaps if we stayed at home and minded our own business we wouldn't be so hated abroad and have to take extreme measures to protect ourselves from the fruits of many decades of meddling in other country's business. And then perhaps we could afford to make good on the promises made to generations of taxpayers who support(ed)the biggest Ponzi Scheme ever foisted on humanity (Social Security System) Individualize SS now for the younger generations, do not continue this atrocity any further. Reduce interest paid on bonds to essentially nothing to encourage their holders to cash them in and pay for them by printing even more of the already worthless currency we call dollars. Go back on the gold standard and take away the ability of the Federal government to borrow money ever again. Radical ideas? You bet! The radicals that founded this country would approve. We could also dump about 90% of the various federal bureaucracies that exist with no harm or foul to the country. But whatever you do don't rob SS to pay for no stinking war. We don't need no stinking war.

Posted by: McChalium | June 29, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

People will tolerate wars they don't support until you start asking them to pay for them.

Telling people to work 3 years longer for the same benefits because of these expensive wars suddenly makes them realize what a waste of money they are!

Posted by: AxelDC | June 29, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Boehner - GFY!

What an imbecile - That makes about as much sense as you being in Congress...

Posted by: pwflew1 | June 29, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Sure, let's pay for Bush's eight years of war and f__-ups by forcing people to work more after they've already been screwed in their 401ks by the Wall Street criminals.

Posted by: fbeseler | June 29, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I suggest we start another campaign to plug the gulf leak with Boehner, Palin, and the whack job who apologized to BP. Friends & I were just asking where compassion and caring went? Boehner would penalize the most vulnerable in our society. It's actually so much easier for the Republicans when those damn pesky people (old folks, the ill, babies AFTER they're born) just die. Then the Republicans don't have to worry about taking care of anyone but their fat cat oil company executives, and their Republican cronies.

Posted by: mfoley1 | June 29, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Mr Boehner
What have you done for your Country except P**s and Moan
About the dumbest Idea I ever heard
About time time we pull out of Afghanistan and save the lives of our brave soldiers. Let them have their Civil War.
"A Proud Korean War Vet"

Posted by: dabirk | June 29, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

To suggest this is idiotic. If the war is getting too expensive, I have a novel suggestion... GET THE HECK OUT OF THE WAR! We have too many financial issues on our own American soil! Physician, HEAL THYSELF!!! We need to stop meddling in the affairs of the rest of the world and turn our attention inward, and focus on the well being of our own nation! To continue to blow vast amounts of money on these wars that we are involved in, when we are on the ropes fiscally speaking is the height of irresponsibility. THESE are the people we are trusting our futures to?? It's time to wake up, pull our troops out of other parts of the world, strengthen our borders, and FIX WHATS WRONG WITH OUR OWN NATION FIRST!

Posted by: Eric_ravenwing | June 29, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Raising the SS age and reinstatement of the draft are two avenues for early voter-induced retirement (with a fat stipend) of the current crop of miscreants in congress.

Posted by: dsigeorge | June 29, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I am in a "niche" group that cannot retire with full SS until I reach 67. My response: I "retired" at 62 and have very lucratively invested my SS since then. 62, 65 67 or 70 - ALL presume there are jobs for people until those ages. The way age discrimination laws are stuctured in the U.S.S.A., companies find it more to lucrative tire at 22, work them like a dog until age 40 and then terminate them. The employee then goes to work at a much diminished salary/responsibility and slaves at little above minimum wage until age 70. Federal laws follow the laws of unintended consequences. Sad but true.

Posted by: IQ168 | June 29, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Let bonehead give up all of his benefits and pay if he wants to pay for afghanistan, we need to get out of it, and not put social security into that mix. Just stop killing Americans to profit all of his war profiteering friends, don't they make enough already. Tax the war profiteers.

Posted by: mtravali | June 29, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

The idea that Social Security was only meant to pay for a person at the end of their life is absurd. I am only entitled to 5-10 years of Social Security benefits after I spent 50 or more years paying into it is fraud and highway robbery.

Posted by: nsu1203 | June 29, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

uncap the limits on the social security tax without changing anything else. If you make a million pay your 7.5% on the million. That ought to keep it going for another generation or two.

Posted by: diomede | June 29, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I agree that raising the retirement age is a good idea, but not to pay for Afghanistan. It should be raised because 70 is not what it was when social security was started (and also eliminate the cap on how much of your income is taxable for social security purposes). Social Security wasn't meant to support healthy people for 15-20 years, it was meant to provide a small pension for those at the end of their lives, too old and sick to work.

It's not like many of us are doing physical labor tougher than tapping a keyboard and there is still disability for those who physically can't work in their 60s. If the age is gradually raised (ex: born before 1960 retire at 68, born before 1970, retire at 69 etc) there is plenty of time for younger people to adjust their retirement plans, especially if disability benefits are enhanced for those who do physically break down in their 50s and 60s as people still do, though not as frequently as in the past.

My grandfathers died 5 years and 12 years after their retirements, at roughly their life expectancy ages (69 and 73), which today would be considered fairly young. While the one who died at 69 probably would have died at that age anyway, the one who lived for 12 years had to retire early due to heart problems that probably could have been corrected today, meaning today he probably could have kept working another 5-10 years.

Posted by: Mike8429 | June 29, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"We're broke" WHY are we broke? Could is POSSIBLY be because of 8 years of Republican giveaways under "Dubya"???? Could it be that the -R never saw a company that they wouldn't give a break to if they could lump the companies share on to the backs of the public. You -R are revolting. You started the name calling and bashing of Obama 2 months after he was in office. Does any reasonable person think that an 8 year mess can be cleaned up in 2 years? Funny thing about the -R's it's ALWAYS the Democrats fault! ALWAYS!! So there's a problem with Social Security? Tell Haliburton to fix it!

Posted by: aamboca1 | June 29, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Ask me if I want to work until I'm 70 to pay for this lunacy in Afghanistan and I'll tell you the answer is he11 no. Bring the boys home.

Posted by: SarahBB | June 29, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

We did that.

Nixon raised the Social Security Premiums and promised the System would be secured well into the Twenty First Century, then used the money to get 20,000 more GIs slaughtered in Nam.

Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com

Posted by: mchaun | June 29, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

First, tax the hell out of those who make a profit off the war...

Posted by: newagent99 | June 29, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is a leftist, socialist, bumbling fool of a President." Only a fool calls another a fool. Your observation is close to dim-witted. We were buried by Bush who promised in 2004 to take up the social security issue. Like most political cowards, he didn't do a thing. As for Obama, he is a centrist, not well liked by the lefties and liberals. Bush was the liberal. If you hadn't noticed, he was a big government heavy spending president who may have sunk the ship.

Posted by: Letsgetapizza | June 29, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I can't stand the guy but I have to agree with him here. We've been spending irresponsibly for the past thirty years...now our fiscal chickens have come home to roost. Remember all those pols saying deficits don't matter, most memorably Dick Cheney...well, turns out they were very wrong and spent us into a abysmal hole, raiding the social security surplus while they were at it.

Consider now that much of our debt was incurred during peace time with the economy booming...that's utterly irresponsible. We didn't even invest the money wisely so that we could reap the rewards later...we just flushed it down the toilet. Bet lots of people would like to have those choices to do over again.

Get ready for the painful consequences of our poor choices...they're coming one way or another.

Posted by: wireknob | June 29, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Boehner's suggestion is just not 'socially justified' to meet the GREAT RE-DISTRIBUTOR'S TASTES. Boehner really needs to go after those who are producing for this Country with more zeal! And, he needs to give much more to those poor souls who just do not want to produce, but rather rely on someone else to support them, and 'BLAME BUSH FOR THEIR LACK OF LIFE PLANNING (just like Obama)!

Posted by: wheeljc | June 29, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Is it only coincidence that Mr. "Boner" is talking about screwing the Vietnam vets that are beginning to retire to pay for the current war? Or is he really that despicable?

Posted by: Virginiadem1 | June 29, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Is it only coincidence that Mr. "Boner" is talking about screwing the Vietnam vets that are beginning to retire to pay for the current war? Or is he really that despicable?

Posted by: Virginiadem1 | June 29, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how much of Boner's portfolio contains stocks that benefit from military spending.

Posted by: hinterlight | June 29, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a leftist, socialist, bumbling fool of a President. He will be a one term President like Carter! I will be lucky to get back what I put into Social Security! That is the crime. Robbery by the Feds! I would love to privately invest what I contribute to SS. The liberals stopped Bush's smart idea of allowing private investment! Now we are stuck with an idiot for president and the ugliest First Wife in history!

God bless America!

Posted by: donaldarc | June 29, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse


Another stupid, callous example of conservative ideology. Yes, let's punish many of the most vulnerable people in society for an unnecessary 5 years. Many people at this age are already suffering financially, and many are suffering from disabilities and chronic illnesses. Let them eat cat food!

Whatever happened to our morality?

Posted by: dougd1 | June 29, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

first, theses idiots screwed up the afghan war by putting it on hold to start an illegal war in iraq. second these idiots and wall street screwed up the economy so now people have less money if they are working at all, so thier answer is to raise taxes, lose benefits and companies to raise the prices on thier products to make us pay more because of thier collosal mistakes,THIS IS ECONOMIC SLAVERY PEOPLE!! WAKE UP!!

Posted by: bandit1414 | June 29, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Come on people, figure it out! "Bay" is pronounced "bay" and "boe" is pronounced "bow". That's everything you ever need to know about the man.

Posted by: Whys | June 29, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow - he could not sound any more like a Democrat. Tinkering with bad programs to keep them limping along? Act like a real conservative and come out and say these programs were doomed from the start. If you have other income, why are we paying you!?!? Hmmm, I don't know. Maybe because it was taken from you out of every paycheck you ever earned. IT'S YOUR MONEY - YOU SHOULD GET ALL OF IT BACK PLUS INTEREST. Anything less and it's a bad deal for the people.

In fact, Let people keep their money in their paycheck and make their own financial decisions. This is a disaster. Retirees right now have it great - they paid in with tiny wages from the 60s, 70s and 80s, and now they get a comfy package. While the rest of us are going to have to have our benefits trimmed or retire at a higher age. What a sweet deal "The Greatest Generation" is giving itself.

Posted by: dnara | June 29, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

The Republican mantra of taxing workers rather than the ultra-rich CEO's is appalling. I bet if we took their governmant pensions and healthcare away it would be a very differnt tune.

Posted by: handselsf | June 29, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Why is this fool proposing that needed benefits be taken away from the disabled and the elderly. Perhaps if he would give up his government health insurance, his very generous pension and all the perks of the office he would be more compassionate.

He is a despicable human being and disloyal american.

Posted by: wgately77 | June 29, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

How about starting with Members of Congress!

Posted by: Toughcookies | June 29, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Why is this fool proposing that needed benefits be taken away from the disabled and the elderly. Perhaps if he would give up his government health insurance, his very generous pension and all the perks of the office he would be more compassionate.

He is a despicable human being and disloyal american.

Posted by: wgately77 | June 29, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

"Ensuring there's enough money to pay for the war will require reforming the country's entitlement system", Boehner said.
First, start with the Congressional entitlements. That should pay for at least one war!

Posted by: goldwaithe | June 29, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

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