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White House, Kyl feud over Obama conversation on immigration

By Perry Bacon, Jr.
The White House and Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz), the No. 2 man in the Senate GOP leadership, feuded Monday over immigration policy, as the Arizona senator said that President Obama personally told him the administration will not support stricter border enforcement until Republicans back broad immigration reform.

The White House strongly denied the claim.

At a town hall in Arizona on Friday, Kyl responded to a voter's question about immigration by detailing a one-on-one meeting he had with Obama. According to Kyl, "The president said the problem is if we secure the border, then you all won't have any reason to support comprehensive immigration reform."

"In other words, they're holding it hostage," Kyl said at the event, a video of was circulated widely online on Monday, but not from Kyl's office. "They won't secure the border unless and until is it combined with comprehensive immigration reform."

Bill Burton, a White House spokesman, said, "The president didn't say that. Senator Kyl knows the president didn't say that."

"But what everybody knows because the President has made it perfectly clear is that what we need to do is everything that we can to bring about comprehensive immigration reform," he added. "And that includes not just securing the border, but doing a lot of other things."

A Kyl spokesman defended the lawmaker's account.

White House officials said the Obama administration has pumped more money and resources into border enforcement than ever before. In May, Obama requested Congress provide $500 million to fund additional enforcement, as well deploying 1,200 National Guard troops to the U.S-Mexico border.

Kyl has called for $3 billion and 6,000 troops, a request Senate Democrats voted down after Obama announced his plan.

The dispute was the latest between Arizona Republicans and Democrats over immigration. Saying the federal government had not done enough to stop illegal immigration, Arizona's state legislature in April passed a law, then signed by its Gov. Jan Brewer (R), which gives police authority to check documentation of suspected illegal immigrants.

Obama has personally condemned the law and administration officials have suggested the Department of Justice might file suit to have it struck down.

The law, which goes go into effect on July 29, was supported by both Kyl and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.).

By Perry Bacon, Jr.  |  June 21, 2010; 5:21 PM ET
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If this were not true, Mr. Obama would have fired back. So, Mr. President, Where's the troops? The White House has promised to send more troops to the border, but BHO and Janet Napolitano are stalling, likely preparing for amnesty by Executive order. There is a Federal Law IN PLACE that the current administration is failing to uphold and enforce, all in the name of procuring the Hispanic vote, including 20+ million who are currently in the US illegally. Meanwhile the criminals continue business as usual, while liberal America sits back and watches. Check out Jan Brewer's letter to BHO... http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-203896.html

Posted by: PittDave | June 25, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

It is clear that no immigration reform will pass soon, (Shame on congress, mostly GOP ones); I think the best Idea is to pressure the Government to re-activate I-245 since congress won't to anything while there are less than 60 Dems in the Senate. Obama will likely score big points with the Latino community and somehow keeping his promise of helping the undocumented or illegals workers and let the GOP go down itself fo the lack of action, for saying not to everything, for deny a chance to working families, for their xenophobic views, etc.

Posted by: Tellingthetruth | June 25, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Now we get the news that pro illegal activists, illegals and Laraza agents have set fire to the AZ desert to protest their law. And, while Scotsdale burns, Obama decides to issue an Executive Order for AMNESTY.

Evidently, Obama and LaRaza have some hot plans for America!

Posted by: Patriot12 | June 23, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama refuses to get serious about protecting our borders so he threatens Kyl and the Republicans to get them in line for AMNESTY.

Now we're hearing reports that Obama is considering AMNESTY BY EXECUTIVE ORDER! Will this fool stop at nothing to get AMNESTY TO REWARD MORE THAN 20 MILLION ILLEGAS FOR INVADING THIS COUNTRY? Then what happens? We know the answer to that; we get even more ILLEGAlS just like the last time (1986). Why, because rewards draw more ILLEGALS AND THE DISHONEST EMPLOYERS WILL LOOK FOR MORE TO HIRE AT SLAVE WAGES BECAUSE AMNESTIED ILLEGALS WILL NOT CONTINUE TO WORK FOR THEM SO NOTHING CHANGES EXCEPT WE HAVE EVEN MORE IN THE RANKS OF WELFARE BENEFIT COLLECTORS!

The sellout of America continues and Kenya Boy couldn't care less!

Posted by: TexRancher | June 23, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

Everybody is so concerned about all these illegals coming in. Would someone please start looking at all the foreigners who entered legally but "forget" to go home? Look it up folks, the numbers are staggering. Spend millions on ineffective walls? How about we bust all the corporations who hire these folks? If they can't find jobs they won't come in the first place. But be prepared to pay LOTS more at the supermarket for your produce. And housing costs. And hotel stays. Because legal Americans won't work for the wages these folks are willing to bust their asses for.

Posted by: apacheye | June 22, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Well, here is an idea: Why doesn’t Arizona adopt Mexico’s immigration laws? Article 67 of Mexico’s National Law states the consequences of entering the country illegally are two years imprisonment and 10 years imprisonment as a repeat offense. Maybe Mr. Calderon and Mr Obama would be more in favor of that.

Posted by: bvi2002 | June 22, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

WHO IS THE LIAR?

The facts not the words reveal the truth.

#1 Border fence construction has stopped
#2 eVerify doesn't work
#3 Lax enforcement of immigration laws

If Obama were honorable he would say to the American people, I will first prove to you that I can secure the borders. When I do, I will then ask for comprehensive immigration reform. Why

ILLEGAL ALIEN = UNREGISTERED DEMOCRAT

Posted by: EdwardKennedy | June 22, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

WHO IS THE LIAR?

The facts not the words reveal the truth.

#1 Border fence construction has stopped
#2 eVerify doesn't work
#3 Lax enforcement of immigration laws

If Obama were honorable he would say to the American people, I will first prove to you that I can secure the borders. When I do, I will then ask for comprehensive immigration reform. Why

ILLEGAL ALIEN = UNREGISTERED DEMOCRAT

Posted by: EdwardKennedy | June 22, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

So the GOP wants $20 billion for border security, and 6,000 troops down there. That's smaller government? That's fixing the deficit? Posted by: brian_away | June 21, 2010 10:25 PM

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That's your reply to this? What was the main responsibility given to the Federal Government under the Constitution? In case you didn't learn this in the public schools, it was to DEFEND THE BORDERS.

Those of you who answer every situation with words regarding the GOP and "Big Government" and "Deficit" show your ignorance of the real issues....

The Feds are to protect the borders - Simple fact that cannot be talked away. They are to Tax the citizens in order to accomplish that. They are allowed to borrow funds if necessary to do that.
The Feds are not protecting the borders. Simple fact - cannot be talked away.

The last time the Feds had immigration reform they held out for Amnesty....and then promised to secure the borders. That was in the '80's.....Amnesty took place but the borders were not defended, not closed and here we are again, only this time, with Drug Cartels murdering and kidnapping on the streets of Arizona's cities and towns and on the ranches they cross. State and Federal parks are being ceded to the Drug Cartels. And if you think only Mexicans are crossing the border, you need to get your head out of the sand...

As long as you want to make the argument against Party instead of Facts...both political parties will continue to hold the safety of American Citizens hostage to their political agenda.

Wake up Obama defenders and Republican haters.....quit allowing the press and the politicians to make you the enemy of the facts.

Posted by: LMW6 | June 22, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter what Obama told kyl. It's true: he won't secure the border without "comprehensive Immigration reform".

The "grand bargain"--actually Grand Sellout--was put together by John McCain, Teddy Kennedy, and the Bush administration in 2007, and Senator Barack Obama suppored it then and is sponsoring it now.

This is the GRAND SELLOUT named "comprehenize immigration reform":

People opposed to illegal immigration will get controls on the border (at least on paper). But to get border protection, the people of the United States will have to agree to accept this in return:

Amnesty for 12 to 20 million people now illegally in the country. They will be able to stay here, keep their jobs and government services, and they can bring their brothers and sisters, parents, uncles, aunts, children, neices and nephews over to join them--maybe 60,000,000 more people in all--instant Americans. Plus, the american people will have to agree to more legal immigrants to grow a "diverse" population.

This grand sellout was shouted down by millions of americans in 2007, and we kept it from becoming law. Only us, the people of this country, can prevent this sellout by Obama and democrat and republican traitors in Congress. Remember, the Obama plan was first championed by John McCain and Lindsey Graham--from South Carolina.

Worse yet, Obama is now planning to grant amnesty by presidential decree if Congress refuses to go along with the amnesty law. That's what happens with neomarxist leaders.

Posted by: rphillips1 | June 22, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I think the people suffering from the crisis on the gulf and the dangerous situation on our southern border are getting a big eye full of how this administration will use their suffering if they think they can gain politically. Obama could care less we are seeing dangerous cartel activity now in every major city or the fact our communities are burdened. our hospitals are stretched, our schools are using their resources on one ethnic group, and our jails are full. He sat for 60 days while wildlife, birds, sea life, coasts and marshes slowly died before he met with BP. The man could care less. I hope all those Democrats in Louisiana and on the borders are getting the picture in how they are using you for what they think is political gain. They are endangering our very lives allowing anyone run over the border. And they just closed a National Park that belongs to you and me and turned it over to these thugs. Our sheriffs cannot even go in there but drug cartels will now have this vast land to use at their leisure without harassment. This is insanity.
Boy are these radical Democrats going to get the surprise in the next election. They are toast. There is no doubt in anyones mind that Kyl is telling the truth. This administration has lied so much one cannot even keep up.

Posted by: greatgran1 | June 22, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Although I think the Obama administration is lying here, it doesn't really matter to me. What I do see is that Obama and the democrats and republicans when in power want a form of amnesty against the wishes of the majority of americans. Remember the McCain Kennedy comprehensive reform bill and how the country rose up in opposition to it? This is just the Obama instead of Bush version of the same thing.
What the majority of americans want is to:
1: Close the border to the illegals.
2: Enforce current laws to include the employers of the illegals. Ensure the penalty to the employers amounts to more than a slap on the wrist.
When the jobs become scarce enough, the illegals will self deport.

National Guard troops to the border
Bush sends 6000
Obama sends 600 with up to 1200 if necessary
Neither president gave the troops authority to perform other than administrative duties. So much for that action.

What I see is that if the federal government refuses to do its duty and secure the borders, the states will do it for them. In the meantime, we need to remove from power those who would give this country away.

Posted by: gfafblifr | June 22, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Obama took an oath of office when he became POTUS to protect our country. He is purposely not closing our borders, and endangering Americans, purely on political reasons.
He wants 12 Million Hispanic votes with Amnesty no matter what the cost to the USA.
I think this is an impeachable offense.

Posted by: joanz3 | June 22, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Clearly Kyl is not talking wind. He has tracked facts to back up his credibility.


http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_central_southern_az/other/terrorists-crossing-az-border-into-u.s.%3F

Posted by: dottydo | June 22, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Who is Obama and what is his real history? is still the big question asked everywhere you go.
KARMA on the hidden history has arrived.
Obama = No Confidence

Posted by: dottydo | June 22, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

What the president has made clear is that he has no intention of enforcing the law.

Posted by: Lilycat1 | June 22, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Obama's remarks to Kyl really are not different from what Obama has been saying all along.
Since he has only allowed a fraction of the security, a token, of what is needed while saying comprehensive reform (amnesty?!) is required, should we be surprised.
Don't forget, this is the same president who announced to the nation that "although (he didn't) have all the facts, the Cambridge police acted stupidly."
Both situations /comments seem to be typical Obama.
What a guy -- he is becoming more transparent all the time --
more of us are seeing right through his agenda and plans for us.

Posted by: pjcafe | June 22, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Obama's remarks to Kyl really are not different from what Obama has been saying all along.
Since he has only allowed a fraction of the security, a token, of what is needed while saying comprehensive reform (amnesty?!) is required, should we be surprised.
Don't forget, this is the same president who announced to the nation that "although (he didn't) have all the facts, the Cambridge police acted stupidly."
Both situations /comments seem to be typical Obama.
What a guy -- he is becoming more transparent all the time --
more of us are seeing right through his agenda and plans for us.

Posted by: pjcafe | June 22, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Who cuffs up sedition in the Oval office?
When an administration is in place that refuses to defend a US State from Foreign invasion andthen forwards acts that moves the break apart of the 50 USA States into place, abolishing the State's rights, who cuffs up that treason?

Posted by: dottydo | June 22, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dottydo | June 22, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/white-house-disputes-kyl%27s-account-of-border-talk

Looks like the public finds Kyl credible, and I agree with them.
Turpitude surrounds Obama.

Posted by: dottydo | June 22, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/white-house-disputes-kyl%27s-account-of-border-talk

Looks like the public finds Kyl credible, and I agree with them.

Posted by: dottydo | June 22, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Tax Cheats and Chicago corrupt politicians fill the Obama administration. His accomplices in congress go behind locked doors with bribes and sweetheart deals and more corruption. Would they lie too? You bet your sweeta## they would.

I wasn't there and don't know the facts but Obama was acting stupidly.

Posted by: jblast2000 | June 21, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

This part is so true...

"And that is really part of the point. There is no such thing happening with president Obama, but because conservatives had nixon, then reagan selling weapons systems to Iran to finance an illegal war in central America, and Bush I invading Panama to cover his own prior CIA connections to the drug trade, ans well as Bush I pardoning the Iran Contra criminals who could testify against him, and Duhbya lying to start wars, and having secret prisons, and using torture....you just assume that everyone does that. Except they don't."

There you have the wonderful recent history of GOP leadership and good gov.

Posted by: dwdave67 | June 21, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

It is very simple.

The secure the border first to the satisfaction of American citizens, including deporting those here that are caught illegally.

The border includes the air, sea, and land, the borders that DHS and this administration are responsible for securing.


Then they maybe get to consider comprehensive immigration reform, without any kind of amnesty whatsoever in it, with no rewards for law breaking, with no increased legal immigration, and no more of the game playing they have been doing.

Posted by: win1 | June 21, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I'd believe Baghdad Bob before I'd believe Odumbo, Burton, Gibbs, or any of the other liars in the White House.

Posted by: LarryG62 | June 21, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown | June 21, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Let's see:

Obama on ethics-----------0

Obama on transparency-----0

I'll go with Kyle, a long time representative of the people with a long term record of honesty.

Posted by: jblast2000
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LOL Kyl and honesty go together like Peaches and 10W-30 motor oil...

Compared to the GOP method of Gov, Obama has been transparent and and model of honesty by comaprison... Conservatives and their selective amnesia.

Posted by: dwdave67 | June 21, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

@brian_away,

The money spent on border patrol would save far more then the amount spent. It might actually help the deficit.

Posted by: win1 | June 21, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

My money is that Obama said exactly that. Maybe Jon Kyl could take a lie detector test to clear things up for us.

Posted by: wonderingstevie | June 21, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knows that Obama and accomplices love crisis and don't want to waste them. There's a crisis in Arizona.
Obama is a liar.

Posted by: jblast2000 | June 21, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

So the GOP wants $20 billion for border security, and 6,000 troops down there. That's smaller government? That's fixing the deficit?

Posted by: brian_away | June 21, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama has divided Americans and plans to move ahead on any agenda he chooses without regard for our Constitution and laws.
He and Michelle were never big time loyal Americans. Obama has not really refuted that -- his words in support of socialist doctrines and his statements during his campaign (remember Joe the Plumber) confirm his vision for America.
We were just too unhappy with the way things were. That was then and this is now. America does not have a uniting, healing, transparent president, but rather one that enjoys the limelight and perks too much and listens to the people too little.
We were robbed when Obama was elected.

Posted by: pjcafe | June 21, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Let's see:

Obama on ethics-----------0

Obama on transparency-----0

I'll go with Kyle, a long time representative of the people with a long term record of honesty.

Posted by: jblast2000 | June 21, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

What is it that so many liberals do not get about "illegal"?
Elected officials, Congress people, the president, et al, take oaths to uphold the law.
Obama and friends seem to think it is OK to support lawbreakers, in fact, to reward them even, in return for votes when they make them citizens.
So, if the immigration law is not upheld, which of our other laws do we decide to break next?
The whole discussion is surreal - boycotts of AZ because they are going to enforce laws that the federal gov't won't?
No. Should we decide to stop paying our taxes because we don't want to support law-breakers?
Do we get a pass? If the IRS wants to have us arrested, do we cite the illegal immigration precedent?
Does Calderon get more respect than taxpayers when he says that he doesn't like AZ's law?
What about what the taxpayers say?
This is upside down.
Enforce the laws at the border. We cannot afford to take care of illegals, and we don't approve of amnesty. Is this another hcr? Force feed the American taxpayers? What is that called??

Posted by: pjcafe | June 21, 2010 10:09 PM
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Liberals??? You know who else in AZ is pushing against this law? Big agro farmers in AZ... who is going to pick the food??? You?
Another is the home builders...
A conoservatives rhetoric rarely ever matches the reality...

Posted by: dwdave67 | June 21, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Let's see:

Obama on ethics-----------0

Obama on transparency-----0

I'll go with Kyle, a long time representative of the people with a long term record of honesty.

Posted by: jblast2000 | June 21, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Kyl told the truth.

Obama's spokesperson all but confessed when he said:

'Bill Burton, a White House spokesman, said, "The president didn't say that. Senator Kyl knows the president didn't say that."

"But what everybody knows because the President has made it perfectly clear is that what we need to do is everything that we can to bring about comprehensive immigration reform," he added. "And that includes not just securing the border, but doing a lot of other things." '

Obama's people know Kyl is honest, and that Obama's comments exist and can be subpoenaed.

Obama fears two things:

1) Honesty

2) The law.

Posted by: bob59 | June 21, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

The post did not "hound nixon out of ofice." They did what investigative journalists are supposed to do and uncovered a plot by a sitting president to use the office of the president to commit crimes. And all of those myriad crimes from money laundering and extortion to burglary and obstruction of jsutice were predicated on helping the President undermine democracy and rig an election.

And since you are obviously historical illiterate -- the taping system was removed after it was reveled, not to the newspaper, but to the congressional committee investigating the criminal conspiracy that was at the center of the nixon White House.

You righties are so stupid you don't know the basics -- and you are on a website that has a detailed portion devoted to the Watergate investigation --- type Watergate in the search engine and it will give you as good a history of Watergate as you will find anywhere.

And that is really part of the point. There is no such thing happening with president Obama, but because conservatives had nixon, then reagan selling weapons systems to Iran to finance an illegal war in central America, and bush I invading Panama to cover his own prior CIA connections to the drug trade, ans well as bushI pardoning the Iran Contra criminals who could testify against him, and dubya lying to start wars, and having secret prisongs, and using torture....you just assume that everyone does that. Except they don't.

Posted by: John1263 | June 21, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Oh Senator Kyl is telling the truth. This administration just turned a National Park owned by you and me over to thugs. We cannot venture on this land but they sure can. Drug cartel trains are marching onto US soil guarded by AK 47s while our sheriffs only have hand guns. But now, they cannot even go after them within the park which is vast. There is a war on the border with 22,000 people being knifed, beheaded or shot. 6000 have been murdered in Juarez alone but the crime is not just on the border. A Mexican man beheaded his wife with a chain saw a month ago in Lewisville, Texas and threw her body onto his neighbor's driveway while his neighbor's kids watched from the living room window. This is they type of crime we read about daily. There is a manhunt for a Spanish only speaking rapist that held his victim with a knife that is going on right now in Irving, Texas. We have people flowing over the border with no clue who they are or why they are here.
This administration has sat on its behind just like it did with the oil spill.
I have not one shred of doubt who is lying about this and it is not Senator Kyl. This inept administration has lied to us many times and it just doesn't seem to bother them.

Posted by: greatgran1 | June 21, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

What is it that so many liberals do not get about "illegal"?
Elected officials, Congress people, the president, et al, take oaths to uphold the law.
Obama and friends seem to think it is OK to support lawbreakers, in fact, to reward them even, in return for votes when they make them citizens.
So, if the immigration law is not upheld, which of our other laws do we decide to break next?
The whole discussion is surreal - boycotts of AZ because they are going to enforce laws that the federal gov't won't?
No. Should we decide to stop paying our taxes because we don't want to support law-breakers?
Do we get a pass? If the IRS wants to have us arrested, do we cite the illegal immigration precedent?
Does Calderon get more respect than taxpayers when he says that he doesn't like AZ's law?
What about what the taxpayers say?
This is upside down.
Enforce the laws at the border. We cannot afford to take care of illegals, and we don't approve of amnesty. Is this another hcr? Force feed the American taxpayers? What is that called??

Posted by: pjcafe | June 21, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

John Kyl never saw a corp donation he didn't like. Funny the anti-illegal immigration crowd always focuses on the illegal immigrant filling a market need... Who supplies the demand???
But people don't picket big agro, the home builders do they??? The GOP needs a scapegoat for 29 years of failed economic policy... and liberals and illegal immigrants are the ones that fit the bill... The GOP had had the POTUS for 20 of 29 years and Congress for 12 of 29 plus enough control to stop most of any liberal agendas that may be out there... but funny... conservatives are never to blame... ever.

Posted by: dwdave67 | June 21, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I must remember to keep telling myself this is just entertainment. Nobody I know in real life is this nutty.

Posted by: mikem1 | June 21, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

As an avid political watcher, i am interested to know just exactly what are all thes elies President Obama has told? What Constitutional provisions has he "shredded"? and how is the unimaginable plehora of disasters he inherited his fault?

Posted by: John1263 | June 21, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

At a town hall in Arizona on Friday, Kyl responded to a voter's question about immigration by detailing a one-on-one meeting he had with Obama. According to Kyl, "The president said the problem is if we secure the border, then you all won't have any reason to support comprehensive immigration reform."

Sounds to ME like a shakedown that Al Capone Jr. would threaten !!!

Posted by: thgirbla | June 21, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that I just don't believe the White House?
Let's see: could it be because they always lie?

Posted by: concerned1231 | June 21, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that I just don't believe the White House?
Let's see: because they always lie?

Posted by: concerned1231 | June 21, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Why wouldn't Kyle lie? It's all a PR stunt that repubs use to make their sheeple happy. When you listen to the tape of him speaking you can tell he is setting up the audience and leaving gaps to give them time to make their-"gasps". It's such a set up.

Posted by: valerie14 | June 21, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Looks like ANOTHER Shakedown by the Oval Office from Al Capone Jr. !!!

Posted by: thgirbla | June 21, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

If you truly want to know what is going on; Then you will have to accept these things as the TRUTH. Once you understand the following things; All things will be understood. So I tell you Obama is the Anti-Christ, Satan on Earth, Lawless One, or what ever else you want to call this Demonic Figure. His words describe him, He is a False Hope, If you listen to him you will love him. He carries a Bow without an Arrow. He will conquer all through his speech, his false hoods will capture all who sit and listen to him.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
11And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Posted by: makom | June 21, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Is the same Wasgington Post that hounded R.Nixon out of office with the use of the "missing tapes"? Lets go! Supona the latest tapes and resolve this controversy.
Act like a all peoples newspaper.

Posted by: TK38 | June 21, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Ask yourself, why would this Senator say this if it were not true ???

Does anyone actually believe that the White House (Chicago on the Potomac, Inc.) does not have EVERY reason to LIE (AGAIN) !!!

Posted by: thgirbla | June 21, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

We need comprehensive reform so that the bigots can stop hiding behind the word "illegal." Not that they themselves will own up to their perversity -- they are always the last to know.

Posted by: johnnormansp | June 21, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, so much for Obama 'changing the tone' in DC. He is even screwing it up worse.

QUESTION: Is Obama securing the border in Arizona or not? If not, why not?

He did take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the US against all enemies both foreign and domestic.

QUESTION: WHY IS HE ALLOWING THE BORDER TO BE SO insecure?

Posted by: wheeljc | June 21, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama wants the Hispanic vote and will do anything to get it, including throwing America under the bus.

Posted by: farmsnorton | June 21, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

One of the many problems with being a pathological liar is that you have no credibility to fend off the derisive words of others, whether they be true or not. Who knows if Kyl is being honest here.

The only thing we know for sure is that Barack Obama has such an irrefutable and continuous pattern of lies that he has no credibility for which to defend his position here.

At least in Jimmy Carter America had a lousy leader yet an honest man. WIth Barack Obama, we have no leadership, from a pathological liar. America deserves better than this corrupt regime in charge.

Posted by: edwhite3 | June 21, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

We should have the same immigration laws that Mexico has on their southern border. If you are an illegal and caught you get one year in jail. If caught a second time you get ten years in jail. Calderon ,president of Mexico, has a lot of nerve to come here and blame us. Obama stands there with his cool poker face and takes it. Easy, enforce our federal law.

Posted by: farmsnorton | June 21, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama has told so many lies there are to many to keep track of. It started with his campaign and continues today. This man is not a leader and he also a very poor golfer.

Posted by: farmsnorton | June 21, 2010 7:41 PM
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No! No! No!... How dare you criticize the President's golf game. Isn't anything sacred?

Posted by: DL13 | June 21, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama should be hung for treason. This guy is whacked out on himself that he has sold this country down the tubes now on several occasions. Aren't you left wing nut jobs tired of defending a person who is tearing this country apart? Remember he was suppose to be the great healer right? Well swinging from a tree or in cross hairs is the next picture of this man i want to see. Enough is enough.. Bush was saint compared to this guy!!!!

Posted by: WHOOSONPHIRST | June 21, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Our President is the one, I think, not telling the truth. I have no doubts that he does NOT intend to defend our border. I do not doubt that he told KYL this. He wants amnesty because he wants voters who would actually vote for him come 2012. He's sunk without them! We are sunk WITH him.

Posted by: AZSB1070 | June 21, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama still has 350 billion left in his stimulus bill. Guess he is waiting to spend it just before the election. I just don't think America will be fooled again.

Posted by: farmsnorton | June 21, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Kyl is a republican liar having absolutely no integrity. It ought to be against the law to lie about the POTUS. Republicans are disgusting.

Posted by: vintel7 | June 21, 2010 8:05 PM
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OK, I got that you hate Republicans and as an Independent I have no skin in that game. The question I have for you is, How do you know who is the liar? When you look at all the broken promises made by the prez in order to get elected and his Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals tactics in handling criticism and issues I would say that his track record is far worse than Kyl's.

Posted by: DL13 | June 21, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

For someone who preaches the rule of law all the time, Obama sure breaks a lot of them. If you were illegally tortured, Obama will make sure you don't have your day in court. If you're a fence-jumper living in this country illegally, he'll see to it you get the full benefit of the law.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | June 21, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

My doctor stopped taking medicare patients. The democrats just stopped a 21% cut to medicare doctors has they have done in the past. My ex doctor said it is only a matter of time when they will no longer kick the can down the road , so he stopped taking medicare patients. Moat doctors are keeping there current paitents but not taking new ones. I am having a problem. Also, the Mayo clinic in Arizona has stopped taking medicare patients.

Posted by: farmsnorton | June 21, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

This nonsense has been ngoing on for 50 years. Big money, big business, big agribusiness want cheap labor and both parties have bowed down to political contributions and political correctness.
When you have murder,kidnapping, human smuggling, drug smuggling coming acvross every day you put 50,000 National Guard on our Southern and Northern borders rotated every three months, funded through the Defense Department and offsets. No more of this outrageous and silly "technical support and monitoring" which means nothing=use them for apprehension and detention which directly supports border guards-which we will nver have enough.
You don't have to be a rascist or ethnocentrist to want secure boders free of crime, intimidation and the billions this is costing Americans acrfoss the Nation.
Don't demonize the victims- they have been begging for real action for years and have gotten the royal shaft. Sue Arizona over a law that is even less restrictive than the Federal law and this administration might as well call it quits. This is not about party politics or political correctness-get it straight it is about maintaining our civil society and tranqui,ity in this country. The day that law suit is filed is the day that a massive wave of political dissent and change wiull sweep this country starting this year.

Posted by: barryhalber | June 21, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

"Hey, I had no idea my Rev and close personal family mentor for over 20 years spewed Racist Hate America bilge in his Black Liberation Church I regularly attended. I had no idea"


Sure, Barry is completely credible.


Posted by: FraudObama | June 21, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

republicons are fueling the continued insanity that our President is a Manchurian Candidate, so this is no surprise.

Posted by: John1263 | June 21, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

pan69, I feel your pain because my daughter lost there home. I live in Nevada and we just went to a 14% unemployment rate. They keep saying things are getting better but we have not felt it in this state.

Posted by: farmsnorton | June 21, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

The lies started with transparency, then the Obamacare care bill was to be C-SPAN, then we have this oil spill. He appointed Salazar on Jan 20,2009 and the last inspection of the deepwater horizon was in July 2009. The rig was supposed to be inspected monthly and was not inspected for a year and a half, google deepwater rigs inspected monthly. Salazar had the over sight of MMS. If inspected monthly good chance of no spill. Then he will not follow our federal law to make sure our borders are secure. and on and on and on.

Posted by: farmsnorton | June 21, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm just one of those people in California who has paid $335,000.00 in interst to my Mortage Lender in the past 17 years,to find out today it is only worth what I paid for it. After 30 years with the same company and I will be laid of July 30th. Thousands of Hard working people in California have lost there jobs, home and retirement. With Arizona having the same problem as California, at

Posted by: pan69dee | June 21, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm just one of those people in California who has paid $335,000.00 in interst to my Mortage Lender in the past 17 years,to find out today it is only worth what I paid for it. After 30 years with the same company and I will be laid of July 30th. Thousands of Hard working people in California have lost there jobs, home and retirement. With Arizona having the same problem as California, at

Posted by: pan69dee | June 21, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

From the Wikipedia article on Ronald Reagan:

Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986. The act made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants, required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status, and granted amnesty to approximately 3 million illegal immigrants who entered the United States prior to January 1, 1982, and had lived in the country continuously. Critics argue that its contention subjecting employers to sanctions were without teeth and that it failed to stem illegal immigration. Upon signing the act at a ceremony held beside the newly refurbished Statue of Liberty, Reagan said, "The legalization provisions in this act will go far to improve the lives of a class of individuals who now must hide in the shadows, without access to many of the benefits of a free and open society. Very soon many of these men and women will be able to step into the sunlight and, ultimately, if they choose, they may become Americans."

Posted by: Evan.Rosenberg@Gmail.Com | June 21, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"Obama showed his true colors (no pun intended) when he bailed out the banks & the auto industry!"
Posted by: DPW10319

And what color did Bush show when he initially bailed out the banks? You do remember he backed the bailout, right?

Posted by: Fate1 | June 21, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Barry lies, is deceptive and remains a complete unknown. He is a Fraud. He is the leader of the Socialist Party of Deception. He is the Manchurian President. So yeah, he did say what Kyl claims. No brainer.

Elections of 2010 &12 Cannot Come Soon Enough!


Posted by: FraudObama | June 21, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"Obama has told so many lies there are to many to keep track of. It started with his campaign and continues today. This man is not a leader and he also a very poor golfer."
Posted by: farmsnorton

But he does not fly off on vacations every weekend and all of August, has not started a war by mistake then made up excuses to cover his ineptness, has not let a major terrorist attack happen while a letter sat on his desk saying bin Laden was preparing to attack inside the US, has not given sole-source contracts to companies that then ripped off the American people, did not go on a fundraiser while a major US city sank under water, and did not have a close subordinate out a CIA agent.

I would say that, so far, he is immensely better than Bush was in his first 1.5 years, but then again, anyone would look good when compared with Bush.

The truth is that considering the near depression Bush engineered the US into, Obama has done a good job of keeping America afloat. And he can speak in complete sentences and acts like an adult, something we use to take for granted in our leaders, until airheads started electing the current crop of conservatives.

Posted by: Fate1 | June 21, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Kyl is a republican liar having absolutely no integrity. It ought to be against the law to lie about the POTUS. Republicans are disgusting.

Posted by: vintel7 | June 21, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Who has a well-deserved reputation as a serial liar?

Hint: It ain't Jon Kyl.

Posted by: Tupac_Goldstein
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Then you do not know John Kyl the way we do here in AZ

Posted by: dwdave67 | June 21, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Obamma is an Illegal with forged papers so of course he has to defend his fellow illegals and that is the real issue. He lied during his campaign and now he is doing everything in his power to protect those he promised to stop during his campaign. Illegal is illegal. and by God he needs to do something to protect the US citizens he promised to help but no calls deadbeats. Impeach impeach impeach the S.O.B.!

Posted by: MickPatriot1 | June 21, 2010 7:15 PM-----
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'Patriot' indeed! More like a traiter to our Constitutional values who has NEVER served a single day in his Government's service. Go ask your Mom to make you another peanut sandwich!

Posted by: mosthind | June 21, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't believe anything Obama says even if he was "standing on a stack of bibles (or korans for that matter).

Obama showed his true colors (no pun intended) when he bailed out the banks & the auto industry!

He doesn't care about the "everyday" Americans, he probably blurted the latest "stupid" thinking his "cronies" would explain it away!

We need to get him out of office now before he totally destroys US - there's still some "hope"

Posted by: DPW10319 | June 21, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Who has a well-deserved reputation as a serial liar?

Hint: It ain't Jon Kyl.

Posted by: Tupac_Goldstein | June 21, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Kyl lying about a Democrat??? Say it isn't so!!!

The solution to illegal immigration is very simple... The problem goes away if nobody hires them.....

But then again big money interests in home building and the agro business would hate to see the laws enforced because it would cut into profits which is why liars on the GOP side never talk about the employers like they do the immigrants... Afterall... the immigrants do not pay to attend $1000 a plate dinners for their re-election campaign.
They do need their scapegoats now don't they?

Posted by: dwdave67 | June 21, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Four steps to a rational illegal alien solution:

1 Repeal the anchor baby provision of the 14th Amendment

2 Impose severe criminal penalties for hiring illegals with safe harbor for federal government legal status check

3 Provide free bus rides with meals to the border for illegals

4 ZERO AMNESTY FOREVER

Posted by: RUKidding0 | June 21, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama has told so many lies there are to many to keep track of. It started with his campaign and continues today. This man is not a leader and he also a very poor golfer.

Posted by: farmsnorton | June 21, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

How's this, put people into office that are fiscally conservative but socially liberal.

Posted by: thebink | June 21, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

"Put fiscal conservatives who want national security and secure borders in office."
Posted by: GregBoo

That sounds good, until you realize national security and secure borders costs a huge amount of money, something fiscal conservatives are not interested in doing by their nature.

What you need to think about is the past 16 years, 14 of them under republican congressional leadership and 8 years under total republican control of all sectors of government. What was done? SQUAT!

Now conservative airheads say its Obama who is secretly wanting illegal immigration. You must be kidding me! Please, lets hear all the good stuff the republicans did during their total control of government to secure our borders and catch illegals for deportation. Anything? Anything at all...?
(crickets...)
Go back and see who Bush put in charge of ICE. Be warned, it will make you sick that he gave this totally unqualified person such a sensitive job when she had no practical or managerial experience, but was a friend-of-Bush.

And you want to bring back the do-nothing crowd to, what, get it done?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa.....
Do yourself a favor, vote in people who think government is NOT the problem and can be a solution, then you will see government take action. Republicans consider government worthless and a problem, hardly the people to put in charge and expect anything to get done. Why not just put the captain of a Japanese whaling ship in charge of Greenpeace and see how much work Greenpeace gets done.

If you want a government that does nothing, elect people who do not believe in government. Its proven to work.

Posted by: Fate1 | June 21, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Some people still don't get it. Obama is a demogogue, usurper of power and liar, with a Napoleon complex the likes of which the citizens of this country have never seen in the White House. He is holding his own Constitutional obligation to "..protect and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic" hostage in order to garner votes for the Dems. Meanwhile all kinds of vermin is skittering through the open flood gate on the Arizona border. When the smoke clears on Immigration, Obamacare, Cap and Trade, and most Obama policies, he is likely to be subject to impeachment for refusing to uphold the Constitution. This thing with Kyl, proves that he and his staff are liars of the first order and any who might believe the White House version of goings on between Obama and Kyl is still dillusional about the guy currently occupying it. Jon Kyl's word and character are impeccable, both as a gentleman and Senator and is above reproach. Obama's on the other hand, is extremely dubious given his penchant to follow the mob tactics of his traditional Chicago upbringing, connection to leftist/Marxist revolutionaries and his complete lack of feeling for the pulse of this country.

Posted by: desertbells | June 21, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Well said goodangel love the verbage. Well done! Obamma is a lying deadbeat!!! He calls ud deadbeats losing our jobs to illegals and then blames us for the financial crisis. What an A@@Hole! Wish I never heard of him and know he will never win another election. The man is a fool, grabbing all the corporate donations he can while screwing the American people. Just a black version of all the greedy jerks that came before him. It is all about him and his legacy wchich wilol be thd idiot that sold the country to Spanish speaking illegal immigrants.

Posted by: MickPatriot1 | June 21, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Liberal wingnuts don't really believe Obama but their egos are such that they can't admit, even to themselves, that they've been had. I don't see the Right defending Bush the way they defend their guy and that says a lot about them.

Posted by: thebink | June 21, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Obamma is an Illegal with forged papers so of course he has to defend his fellow illegals and that is the real issue. He lied during his campaign and now he is doing everything in his power to protect those he promised to stop during his campaign. Illegal is illegal. and by God he needs to do something to protect the US citizens he promised to help but no calls deadbeats. Impeach impeach impeach the S.O.B.!

Posted by: MickPatriot1 | June 21, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama and his minions lie - it is a fact- they've been doing it for two years. What else is new? Except that the loonie liberal wingnuts still believe him - that's becuase the loonie liberal wingnuts have an IQ of next to nothing..............

Posted by: sandynh | June 21, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama = Liar

Who to believe? Senator Kyl

But... I agree... all parties have done squat to secure the border and it is time they fixed that. Congress played lip service when they passed the bill to put 700 miles of fence... (then conviently forgot to fund it like all the lies they do).

Folks - ALL OF THEM ARE CORRUPT! VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS.

Put fiscal conservatives who want national security and secure borders in office.

Posted by: GregBoo | June 21, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

So the crime of BWB, has been expanded to DWH, Driving While Hispanic.

Posted by: lynnlm | June 21, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

So the crime of BWB, has been expanded to DWH, Driving While Hispanic.

Posted by: lynnlm | June 21, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

John Lyl you lie

Posted by: doncwilliams777 | June 21, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

So the crime of BWB, has been expanded to DWH, Driving While Hispanic.

Posted by: lynnlm | June 21, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama, just as his two predecessors, only wants to take the most minimal actions possible to limit illegal immigration. One of the unheralded results of his health care bill will be, after receiving amnesty, most currently illegal immigrants will be receiving subsidized health care before millions of legal residents and citizens.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | June 21, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

All I see these days are attacks on the Right. You despise us, we get it already but could some of you answer the charges against Obama with some facts for a change. Could you try to be a little less shrill?

Posted by: thebink | June 21, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Both past and present presidential administrations have NEVER protected our southern border. They have only provided token border protection while more and more illegal aliens are entering our country illegally daily. All US resident taxpayers should back and support immigration law. Arizona has decided to enforce immigration law where the US Federal government has failed.
Also today the city of Fremont, Nebraska is voting on their own illegal immigration law. It is time that ALL states and cities enact immigration laws that will protect the US Citizen from loss of jobs,from welfare support of illegal aliens, from paying medical bills of illegal aliens and providing housing for illegal aliens.

Posted by: usresidenttaxpayer | June 21, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Oh, please. The Republicans don't want to fix immigration. They're paying lip service to reform while winking at their corporate buddies who love the cheap, exploitable labor.

Posted by: HilaryLo | June 21, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama and the Democrats keep repeating the same old song, over and over. The phrase "comprehensive immigration reform" really means let 21,000,000 illegal aliens stay in the USA and become citizens despite the fact they are criminals, are taking up to 8,000,000 jobs from present American citizens who are out of work, burden our welfare system, burden our schools, bring gangs like MS-13 to our cities, send 2 billion dollars out of our country to Mexico each year, and are changing the character of our country to that of a third world country. Obama has lied so many times it is easy to see he is lying again. Americans don't want the illegal aliens to get a pass to citizenship. We want them out of our country. I am not anti-hispanic. My wife and her family are fifth generation Americans, but of hispanic heritage. I am against letting this many of any one heritage into this country at one time. We have a pretty good balance of nationalities in this country. We don't want to become Mexico Norte'. We want our country back. We don't want thousands of illegal aliens marching down our streets with their Mexican flags DEMANDING that we let them stay, when millions of people from all around the world are patiently waiting in line trying to enter this country illegally. Besides, if we don't have enough jobs for current Americans, we sure don't need more workers being let into the USA. Illegal aliens don't just pick produce, they work in masonry, carpentry, concrete work, roofing, drywall, as mechanics, and many other jobs that belong to American citizens. Obama think they will help the socialist movement grow, because they come from pro-socialist countries. He and the Democrats see millions more votes for their point of view, despite that not being what patriotic conservative Americans are against. Senator Kyle doesn't lie. Obama does and so does his administration. After all, Obama just extorted 20 billion dollars out of a private corporation. There is a legal means to pursue payment of damages from BP through our court system, but Obama chose to coerce BP into paying into a slush fund ran by the government. That is what a banana republic does. He and his cronies are just plain crooks and liars.

Posted by: good_angel | June 21, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama is clearly doing the least possible. He is in violation of his oath of office to protect our borders. While I support most of his policies,.. and I have to say this..impeachment proceedings need to begin.

Posted by: Bettybb | June 21, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The ACLU, a pro-illegal immigrant, anti-sovereignty law organization that taxpayers are supporting, is incessantly intimidating true Americans and permanent residents? YES! You pay through the nose, to subsidize this Communist-inspired entity. We can beat these creeps, when they threatened to sue small towns and cities, that have been overwhelmed by the illegal alien plight? If hundreds of communities started to fight back--such as Fremont, Nebraska--by voting out Liberals hiding behind Democrats, who are tearing the fabric of this law abiding country apart. United cities, towns who want to stop this propagating invasion, should collectively vote against illegal aliens stealing jobs, the harboring foreign nationals, renting property and accessing welfare entitlements. The ACLU and other radical groups do not have the absolute legal representation in numbers or cash, to sue massive collectives of municipalities that have had enough of encroachment of illegal people who scorn our laws.

Every citizen-resident must realize this also influences--YOU--and your children's future, wages, culture, language and the deterioration of our most sacred document--the US Constitution. by Leftist extremists.

The federal government has failed to build the border fence correctly? Only one fence has been partly completed, the second fence built as a prison chain-link fence adorned with nasty razor wire. Its' incredulous that the 2006 Secure fence act was under funded could not work, because of the interdiction by Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-TX, and co-sponsored by Sen. John Cornyn, (R-TX) Investigate the--REAL FENCE--as in San Diego, California that has a 99.8 success rate, but our US Government never passes on this information. Learn about the Liberal Democrats forcible push in cramming--AMNESTY--down your throat. Hundreds and billions of dollars are secretly used to pay for underwriting "Anchor Babies" and welfare, that come out of your payroll check. NumbersUSA gives all the financial answers and more. Get rid ALL--the Pro-Amnesty political incumbents in November.

Posted by: infinity555 | June 21, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

The ACLU, a pro-illegal immigrant, anti-sovereignty law organization that taxpayers are supporting, is incessantly intimidating true Americans and permanent residents? YES! You pay through the nose, to subsidize this Communist-inspired entity. We can beat these creeps, when they threatened to sue small towns and cities, that have been overwhelmed by the illegal alien plight? If hundreds of communities started to fight back--such as Fremont, Nebraska--by voting out Liberals hiding behind Democrats, who are tearing the fabric of this law abiding country apart. United cities, towns who want to stop this propagating invasion, should collectively vote against illegal aliens stealing jobs, the harboring foreign nationals, renting property and accessing welfare entitlements. The ACLU and other radical groups do not have the absolute legal representation in numbers or cash, to sue massive collectives of municipalities that have had enough of encroachment of illegal people who scorn our laws.

Every citizen-resident must realize this also influences--YOU--and your children's future, wages, culture, language and the deterioration of our most sacred document--the US Constitution. by Leftist extremists.

The federal government has failed to build the border fence correctly? Only one fence has been partly completed, the second fence built as a prison chain-link fence adorned with nasty razor wire. Its' incredulous that the 2006 Secure fence act was under funded could not work, because of the interdiction by Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-TX, and co-sponsored by Sen. John Cornyn, (R-TX) Investigate the--REAL FENCE--as in San Diego, California that has a 99.8 success rate, but our US Government never passes on this information. Learn about the Liberal Democrats forcible push in cramming--AMNESTY--down your throat. Hundreds and billions of dollars are secretly used to pay for underwriting "Anchor Babies" and welfare, that come out of your payroll check. NumbersUSA gives all the financial answers and more. Get rid ALL--the Pro-Amnesty political incumbents in November.

Posted by: infinity555 | June 21, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

JilliB is exactly right! I am glad the White House is slamming this unreality. Doesn't Kyl know that it is very easy for the White House to prove this DIDN'T happen?
Well, of course he knows that. It just doesn't matter to him. All that matters is to ejaculate an idea out into media-space, rile up voters, and reap the whirlwind of votes.
Republicans are utterly and completely empty vessels.

Posted by: cms1 | June 21, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Did Obama and Kyl have this particular conversation? Hard to say. They probably did have a conversation. Kyl didn't quote exact words, but Obama probably said something that Kyl interpreted in this manner.

Beyond who said what, however, it's pretty obvious that the Obama administration and Democrats are taking this approach to immigration reform. They staunchly oppose all enforcement of current laws, even though these laws could be effective if properly enforced. Instead, they demand "comprehensive" reform, which is really just a code word for amnesty. Then, to be conciliatory, Democrats say that a comprehensive bill should include stronger enforcement.

However, if Democrats really want stronger enforcement, or if they are open to it, then why not start right now? The existing laws offer a reasonable framework, and it's really just failures at ICE, CBP, and USCIS. Bureaucrats aren't doing their jobs because politicians have pressured or ordered them not to. Enforce the law now...problem solved. There would be no need for further reform if the borders were closed and if a reasonable number of work visas were provided.

Posted by: blert | June 21, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

He's pretty darned blatant about buying votes but then that is the Chicago way.

Posted by: thebink | June 21, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

obama has already screwed up. The "stimulus" package is a failure. The health care bill was all lies and once passed the truth has come out. Obama failed on the unemployment rate, not going above 8%.

He wants amnesty for illegals. Any bill would just duplicate existing laws, and the only thing new would be amnesty. He's proven, he's not in favor of enforcing immigration laws, since he's not in favor of the Arizona law, which is pretty much just like the Federal laws.

Obama has lied about spending. He's lied about having the most open and transparent administration. But, we'll trust him on this. He simply is horrible, the worst President of all time, even worse then Lincoln and Grant.

Posted by: irish031 | June 21, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

After reading this.
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/june-21-2010/senators-challenge-pres-obama-rumors-executive-order-amnesty.html

I now know Obama is the one lying and if he pulled this stunt he would have started Americas second revolution.

This president is a dangerous man and we need to vote him and his criminal pack out in 2010 and 2012.

Read this for a real eye opener.

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown | June 21, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering does this mean those who have spewed negative comments about this current administration are mainstream drug users or in some way contribute to the need for transport of drugs into this nation? Is that why you don't want a comprehensive immigration policy?

Posted by: ewjazzed | June 21, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

incredulous52 wrote:
"The issue is, we know that obozo has lied many times, often in obvious and clear cases when the lie was just too obvious to miss. Example: no one under obamacare will be required to change their doctor or their insurance. Doctor's clearly stated that they will not take obamacare patients. So, a very obvious lie. No one under medicare will notice a difference under obamacare. Somehow, loosing all medical care and being forced to move to a nursing home is something most normal people would notice.

Having said above, I have not heard any obvious lies from Kyl. Therefore, by default, obama lies, Kyl is telling the truth."

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You should review/take a course in basic logic. Pay close attention to the part on logical fallacies, particularly the fallacy of composition.

Posted by: Ken_Davis1 | June 21, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Not the first time Obama did this, remember when he did the same about NAFTA during the election?

Posted by: win1 | June 21, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I would put nothing past this administration, Obama promised a transparent administration and look at the backroom deals, hiding from the public, just like the Chicago community organizer he is along with his pets from Chicago, Jarret, Axelrod, and Emanuel.....if Obama wanted to secure the border he would not send a trickle of help to the border guards and good words, but send seasoned national guard troops with the intent to stop whoever comes across. Instead he stands alongside Calderon and allows him to chastize and admonish our laws as if there were any laws in Mexico. No, Obama and this administration is lying just as they have so many times before.

Posted by: bstone1931 | June 21, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

The issue is, we know that obozo has lied many times, often in obvious and clear cases when the lie was just too obvious to miss. Example: no one under obamacare will be required to change their doctor or their insurance. Doctor's clearly stated that they will not take obamacare patients. So, a very obvious lie. No one under medicare will notice a difference under obamacare. Somehow, loosing all medical care and being forced to move to a nursing home is something most normal people would notice.

Having said above, I have not heard any obvious lies from Kyl. Therefore, by default, obama lies, Kyl is telling the truth.

Posted by: Incredulous52 | June 21, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I was going to read the article to see who's lying. Then I looked at Sen. Kyl's photo and decided that I did not need to go further.

Posted by: kishorgala | June 21, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama is caught lying again! How many times does America have to put up with Obama's thuggery as he puts his socialist agenda ahead of America's well being. Th emidterms can't come quick enough....Obama will probably try to get illegals US voting rights!
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It is a thriving industry once the criminals get here to buy stolen ID's for drivers license, etc. Yes, hundreds of thousands voted last election. That is how Obama got elected. Well, I voted for him, too. But I will not be fooled again.

Posted by: vickie105 | June 21, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I'd bet the farm that the Obama team is lying; they are so very goooooooood at that!!!!!!!! Why has not more come out about the foreign servicemen who were stationed on U.S. bases who have disappeared into our country after the U.S. taught them to fly airplanes and speak English????? Obama not only have no concern about our borders and the laws of our land, he's letting them come in to our military facilities and getting lost among us!!!

Posted by: libertymeanslife | June 21, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I'd bet the farm that the Obama team is lying; they are so very goooooooood at that!!!!!!!! Why has not more come out about the foreign servicemen who were stationed on U.S. bases who have disappeared into our country after the U.S. taught them to fly airplanes and speak English????? Obama not only have no concern about our borders and the laws of our land, he's letting them come in to our military facilities and getting lost among us!!!

Posted by: libertymeanslife | June 21, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I'd bet the farm that the Obama team is lying; they are so very goooooooood at that!!!!!!!! Why has not more come out about the foreign servicemen who were stationed on U.S. bases who have disappeared into our country after the U.S. taught them to fly airplanes and speak English????? Obama not only have no concern about our borders and the laws of our land, he's letting them come in to our military facilities and getting lost among us!!!

Posted by: libertymeanslife | June 21, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I'd bet the farm that the Obama team is lying; they are so very goooooooood at that!!!!!!!! Why has not more come out about the foreign servicemen who were stationed on U.S. bases who have disappeared into our country after the U.S. taught them to fly airplanes and speak English????? Obama not only have no concern about our borders and the laws of our land, he's letting them come in to our military facilities and getting lost among us!!!

Posted by: libertymeanslife | June 21, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I'd bet the farm that the Obama team is lying; they are so very goooooooood at that!!!!!!!! Why has not more come out about the foreign servicemen who were stationed on U.S. bases who have disappeared into our country after the U.S. taught them to fly airplanes and speak English????? Obama not only have no concern about our borders and the laws of our land, he's letting them come in to our military facilities and getting lost among us!!!

Posted by: libertymeanslife | June 21, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

We know that President Obama has sent troops and appropriated money for the border control efforts.

How is that holding off on stricter enforcement as Senator Kyl alleges?

We also know that Senator Kyle and his colleagues are doing everything they can to obstruct President Obama's efforts to cure some of the ills he, and more importantly we, inherited.

Somebody doesn't pass the smell test, and he smells an awful lot like elephant dung. Let's see, who might that be?

If the conservatives would stop seeing plots and conspiracies around every corner and take Democrats at their word, we would be in a far better state in this nation right now.

If they would allow Obama to govern, then, if he messes up, they'll be proved right. Apparently what they fear is that he'll succeed!

Posted by: DavidEBrown | June 21, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I'd bet the farm that the Obama team is lying; they are so very goooooooood at that!!!!!!!! Why has not more come out about the foreign servicemen who were stationed on U.S. bases who have disappeared into our country after the U.S. taught them to fly airplanes and speak English????? Obama not only have no concern about our borders and the laws of our land, he's letting them come in to our military facilities and getting lost among us!!!

Posted by: libertymeanslife | June 21, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I'd bet the farm that the Obama team is lying; they are so very goooooooood at that!!!!!!!! Why has not more come out about the foreign servicemen who were stationed on U.S. bases who have disappeared into our country after the U.S. taught them to fly airplanes and speak English????? Obama not only have no concern about our borders and the laws of our land, he's letting them come in to our military facilities and getting lost among us!!!

Posted by: libertymeanslife | June 21, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Close the door before you start throwing people out of the house.

Posted by: snorkle | June 21, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I'd bet the farm that the Obama team is lying; they are so very goooooooood at that!!!!!!!! Why has not more come out about the foreign servicemen who were stationed on U.S. bases who have disappeared into our country after the U.S. taught them to fly airplanes and speak English????? Obama not only have no concern about our borders and the laws of our land, he's letting them come in to our military facilities and getting lost among us!!!

Posted by: libertymeanslife | June 21, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Okay, conservatives. Here's the truth. Learn to love it. Nobody knows how many illegal immigrants there are. Without knowing how many there are, it's impossible to know where they're located with any degree of precision. You'd spend billions--maybe trillions--of dollars trying to catch them.
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Everyone wants to tell us that we are simply overwhelmed by this welfare mob spitting babies out on American soil. President Eisenhower gave the bums rush to millions in the 50's. It is a sad argument to make that Americans no longer have possession or control of their own country. Impeach Barack Obama now.

Posted by: vickie105 | June 21, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Okay, conservatives. Here's the truth. Learn to love it. Nobody knows how many illegal immigrants there are. Without knowing how many there are, it's impossible to know where they're located with any degree of precision. You'd spend billions--maybe trillions--of dollars trying to catch them.
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Everyone wants to tell us that we are simply overwhelmed by this welfare mob spitting babies out on American soil. President Eisenhower gave the bums rush to millions in the 50's. It is a sad argument to make that Americans no longer have possession or control of their own country. Impeach Barack Obama now.

Posted by: vickie105 | June 21, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama is clearly in favor of American citizens being forced into being Mexico's welfare program. Medicare and Social Security are in trouble, but there are $billion to $trillions spent on this illegal mob. Obama wants to expand that to citizenship. Our doctors' offices will look like free clinics in Tijuana with all Americans, especially the older more vulnerable ones, will be paying taxes to subsidize this hoard. Damn Obama to hell. He is a better president for Mexico than here.

Posted by: vickie105 | June 21, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

"I wouldn't believe John Kyl if he told me the sky was blue."

But the sky IS blue, so are you saying you wouldn't believe the truth just because it comes from Kyl, or is that a bad analogy?

Posted by: Linka | June 21, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama is clearly in favor of American citizens being forced into being Mexico's welfare program. Medicare and Social Security are in trouble, but there are $billion to $trillions spent on this illegal mob. Obama wants to expand that to citizenship. Our doctors' offices will look like free clinics in Tijuana with all Americans, especially the older more vulnerable ones, will be paying taxes to subsidize this hoard. Damn Obama to hell. He is a better president for Mexico than here.

Posted by: vickie105 | June 21, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

The reason to believe Kyl is clear: *because that's exactly how the Obama admin is acting*. Just like Bush, Obama wants to make it look like he's enforcing the law, while taking steps to not enforce the law and to push "reform".

Read about some of the downsides of what Obama wants here:

http://24ahead.com/s/comprehensive-immigration-reform

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | June 21, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Okay, conservatives. Here's the truth. Learn to love it. Nobody knows how many illegal immigrants there are. Without knowing how many there are, it's impossible to know where they're located with any degree of precision. You'd spend billions--maybe trillions--of dollars trying to catch them. You'd then have to spend a considerable sum to make sure that you hadn't inadvertently picked up American citizens. Having done that, you'd spend even more to send them back to their native countries. And because nobody knows how many there are, you wouldn't know whether you'd really caught them all.

You think your taxes are bad now?

Posted by: jlhare1 | June 21, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

To JilliB:
I wouldn't believe Kyl either, but his cohort John McCain is by far the bigger liar of the two.

Posted by: budsan1 | June 21, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Even if Kyl were telling the truth (and I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle anyway), he would be on the wrong side of the point. Republicans want to duck immigration reform at all costs, because they don't want to call for deporting 8-16 million illegals for fear of alienating voters, and can't call for amnesty either, for fear of alienating voters. So they just gripe at Obama, even though he's deported more illegals than Bush, built more fence than Bush, and put more resources on the border than Bush. If I were Obama I would tell Republicans that the ball is in their court too, and that if they think he is dumb enough to propose anything on immigration without their support, they're dumber than they look.

Posted by: JoeT1 | June 21, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama = BRIBERY

Posted by: theaz | June 21, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama is doing the least possible with respect to the border.. he is pro open borders as his campaign website in 2008 stated.

Obama took an oath of office to protect our borders. I am a Dem and support Obama in most matters... but impeachment proceedings need to start right now.

Posted by: Bettybb | June 21, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

You can't build a fence overnight. You can check how many miles of fence were built in last 8 yrs of republican administration. And what is the reason behind not allowing any immigration reform without that fence? If it takes 5 yrs, do you want to keep those people here illegally for 5 yrs? Or do you want them to be out of shadows, pay taxes and buy homes meanwhile and contribute to the economy.

Posted by: tarang_72 | June 21, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama is caught lying again! How many times does America have to put up with Obama's thuggery as he puts his socialist agenda ahead of America's well being. Th emidterms can't come quick enough....Obama will probably try to get illegals US voting rights!

Posted by: Realist201 | June 21, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Every time the White House gets caught saying something, they end up trying to get out of it by saying someone is lying.

Well, we have watched the White House tell its own citizens to go to you know where. Obama standing with the Mexican President against the citizens he took an oath to protect is sickening enough. Not taking responsibility for anything at all is something we are used to. Thuggery comes with voting in someone who knows nothing but campaigning which is about the only thing he does really well.

This is what we get when the country gets mad and we get what we deserve because we stop thinking.

Now we have to deal with a thug from Chicago that has no clue and no class. Calling people liars and not respecting other people that don't have the same opinion as him.

This should make ALL Americans sick but for some reason the Obamedia seems to give this guy a pass every time.

Well, this oil spill has taken some of the veneer off and the immigration topic is taking more off.

It's about time too

Posted by: ieklein | June 21, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

President Obama falls far short of being a JFK. JFK led us beyond the moon with his leadership and vision. President Obama can't even secure our country's border or build a fence. And why, on earth, he wants to grant 8 million felon job thieving illegal aliens citizenship is beyond logic.

Posted by: Estoban | June 21, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

The way that Obama has been pushing his open borders garbage and his suing of Arizona i will have to side with John Kyl on this one.
i do not trust the Republicans but i trust the democrats even less on this issue.

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown | June 21, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I believe Obama is right there. Kyl and especially John McCain have been loud vocal supporters of AZ's immigration bill. But in Washington on a federal level they're both against any federal reform. They sound like a couple of hypocrites to me. McCain has been a racist for years, from his NO vote on the MLK Holiday years ago, then his NO vote to confirm Justice Sotomayor a well qualified Latino woman to the Supreme Court. McCain is even against Native Americans owning casinos. I think what Arizona needs is a new governor, and two new senators.

Posted by: budsan1 | June 21, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

In ANY dispute between a true American conservative and a lunatic-left d-crat socialist, there is NO QUESTION as to which one is LYING.

Who's telling the truth: ethical, responsible, upstanding Kyl or thug hussein? That's a tough one!

The Whopper is always best when served up by a lunatic-left d-crat socialist:
burris: I did not have a verbal deal with that man, Blagojevich.
pelsoi: I did not have briefings on that subject, "enhanced interrogation."
"wee-weed" hussein: You can keep your current plan and doctor under socialized heathcare.
gore: I created the internet.
more "shakedown" hussein: I created millions of stimulus jobs.
and more "You lie!": Bank bill will end bailouts.

And the mother of them all:
clinton: I did not have se*ual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky.

Some things NEVER change.

Posted by: TeaPartyPatriot | June 21, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't believe John Kyl if he told me the sky was blue.

We all know that republicans have their very own versions of reality (death panels anyone?) on a daily basis, this is just another example.

Posted by: JilliB | June 21, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

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