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'Birther' gets his day in court

CNN reports that decorated Army doctor and 18-year veteran Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin is scheduled for a court hearing in Virginia. Lakin faces court martial for refusing to deploy to Iraq because, he believes, President Obama was not born in the United States and is therefore ineligible to be Commander in Chief.

The charges against Lakin include disobeying a lawful order and dereliction of duty.

Numerous fact-checking organizations have debunked the theory that the president is not a United States citizen. The governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, has also confirmed the president was born in the United States. Despite the evidence, according to a CNN poll, Lakin is among over a quarter of Americans - so called 'birthers' - who continue to doubt Obama's citizenship.

--Emi Kolawole

By Emi Kolawole  |  August 6, 2010; 8:19 AM ET
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LOL. I just can't get enough of this stuff. This is great. He's going to lose his rank, pay, and retirement and probably do prison time. Hilarious. Obama's (non) response is genius. It keeps these nuts in the news and hurts the Republicans by association. They have to question Obama's birth certificate to keep the wing nut vote, but that makes them look incredibly stupid to everyone else. TWO Hawaii newspapers FALSELY reported Obama's birth 40 years ago? Yep, they did. The plot to take away YOUR country started over 40 years ago, when Obama was annointed as the one, while only an infant

hahahahahahah.

Posted by: samsjmail | August 9, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

BATTLE HYMN OF THE UNSINKABLE BIRTHERS!
(Sung to the tune of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic")

Mine eyes have not yet seen
Obama's birth certificate.
It is in the Devil's Vault,
Where only God's Right Hand can get.
Obama's C. O. L. B. is a
Lousy counterfeit.
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

We shall fight the Masked Usurper
On the beaches, in the hills.
We shall fight this Painted Joker
On the seas and in the fields.
We shall fight to Hell and back
And into court and with appeals.
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
It's truth we're marching for!!!!

(Author grants permission to reprint on web or in print and to perform in public)

Posted by: showusnow | August 9, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The saddest part of this argument is not if President Obama is a US citizen. The question is whether a member of the military has a right to ignore an order. Keep in mind that the orders do not come directly from the President. Our involvement in Afghanistan start on Sep 11. Perhaps, the President has expanded that mission but he did not originate it. The orders were passed down through Generals and other officers. The President sets up policy but the officers are tasked to carry out those policies. This officer chose to ignore an order from his military superiors. That is not acceptable. His claim that you can use a legalism to avoid your governmental obligations places every troop in the field in harms way. Which orders do you follow? Only the ones you like?? If I don't like an order, do I decide that since I didn't vote for the Secretary of Defense, I do not need to follow that order. This hurts the chain of command not just this poor example of a military officer.

Posted by: RespectingOthers | August 9, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Court martial this fool, strip him of his commission, and throw him into jail. This has got to be one of the most ignorant reasons given for refusing to follow orders. His actions have demonstrated that he is unfit to serve in any leadership position and is a disgrace to the uniform.Also make him pay for his medical training seeing that the military no doubt paid hundreds of thousands to get him trained.

Posted by: gilliardc | August 9, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

What the LTC is doing is wrong, he is letting his military "team" down and for that, in time of war, there is no excuse.

For POTUS, just producing the birth certificate and getting it over with would go a long way in ending this stupidity. Oh, and by the way, how about college transcripts? Does the messiah have something to hide?

Posted by: pielusztcontractor | August 9, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Would this question even come up if Obama was of two white parents?

Let's get this straight....Birthers claim Hawaii needs to provide a copy of a certificate it does not even use as proof.
They claim the governor, a Republican, is hiding the "real" document to benefit Obama.
They claim the COLB is not enough evidence yet every court, school, state and federal agency, passport issuance, and security clearance agency accepts it. They ignore that Obama got a security clearance that few of the Birthers could pass.
They claim there is a legal difference between Natural Born and Native Born...yet the courts have ruled otherwise generations ago, and much more of the same insanity.
This guy Lakin, by buying into this wacko irrational conspiracy shows he is not fit for command, a danger to those under him and the country as a whole. We can't afford any more lunacy in positions that can do damage. After his conviction, he really need to be given a dishonorable discharge for dishonoring the uniform.

I live in another country now and locals here can't believe a once proud, creative, had working, self sufficient country has embraced ignorance, fear and irrationality. Did 9/11 really rip the soul and self control out of the country? Ever since then, it is has deteriorated into irrationality, and quite likely will complete its self-destruction by electing Palin or another Teabagger/Birther as leader. Can you imagine what other leaders of the world think if we sent a Palin to negotiate...Ya betcha.

Posted by: km6xz | August 9, 2010 6:40 AM | Report abuse

They can put the matter to rest by providing an authenticated copy of his original birth certificate.
(Not the easily-faked computer generated_"certification of birth")
Until then he looks like a wetback.

Posted by: Miner49er | August 8, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

"Libs know he is not a natural born citizen under Vattel."

There is not a single current judge, Congressman, constitutional scholar or law professor who has stated that Vattel has any influence on the definition of natural born citizen.

"Libs know Obama probably applied to college as a dual citizen and thus lost his NBC status."

You're being self-contradictory. Libs KNOW Obama PROBABLY? That makes no sense. You fail to show any facts or cite any law to back up any of your paranoid rantings beyond sanctioned hacks like Orly Taitz and Mario Apuzzo.

"Alinsky organizer files"

Alinsky = right wing nutjob code for "I got nothing." When some right wing birther says that the sane brigade are using "Alinsky tactics" what they're really saying is "I have no facts or legal arguments to back what I'm saying and that makes me mad."

Posted by: bc42bo44 | August 7, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

We are, unfortunately, in one of those phases in our history when political disagreement triggers considerable hatred. The current governor of Hawaii is not likely to be stonewalling to protect Obama, and competently trained investigators can gain access to all sorts of "sealed" documents. If Obama's birth records were missing, that would have been conclusively established long before now. Moreover, when evidence is presented, the birthers seem to reject it as inconclusive. I don't think any evidence would be likely to convince them. With two wars and a recession still facing us, I wish more people would focus their energy on real problems.

Posted by: dnice1 | August 7, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Did you all see this?

----------------------------
Chrissy Matthews was an original Birther!
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/08/in-2007-on-msnbc-chris-old-school.html

Along with Professor Jonathan Turley, a Hillary Clinton operative.
http://birthers.org/misc/FOMB.html

It's OK for them to talk about these location of birth issues when it suits their attack machine political agendas. But when it doesn't, anyone who does is a crazy, un-American, nut-job, fringe tin hat wearer, and racist ... per Chrissy Matthews and the other outright propagandists for Obama on MSNBC and CNN.

They point to the Constitution when it suits their attack machine and throw it under the bus and ignore it the rest of the time. A variation of Saul Alinksy's rule #4. Make the enemy live up to the rules but you don't. Use the system rules when it helps you defeat the enemy and other than that ignore the rules and do what ever it takes to win.

What a bunch of two-faced, race-baiting, unprincipled, liars and Saul Alinskyite hypocrites these far lefties are when it comes to supporting and defending the Constitution.
--------------------------------

Posted by: ramjet767 | August 7, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

produce the damn birth certificate and end the s--t now and forever

Posted by: sidandphyl561 | August 7, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

When its proven Obama is not NBC then LTC Lakin's treatment will be counted against those who stood by while this happened. Boehner, McConnell, Steele RINOs should listen up. You failed in your responsibility. That is why LTC Lakin is on trial.

Posted by: OldAtlantic | August 7, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The anti-birthers know almost none of the facts. Many of them have no idea who Vattel was, why its important, the 1781 draft treaty with France and its translation into English at the Continental Congress, what book George Washington had overdue, nor any of the facts about Hawaii's procedures, Indonesia's or Obama's likely college applications or relevant court cases.

A wealth of hard fact information is here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/naturalborncitizen/index

Posted by: OldAtlantic | August 7, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

LTC Lakin is a great American hero and martyr. LTC Lakin exposes the false president Obama. Libs know he is not a natural born citizen under Vattel. Libs lie when they say the COLB proves his birth in the US. Hawaii excepts late registrations, absent births, and all manor of loose affirmations after the fact.

Libs know Obama probably applied to college as a dual citizen and thus lost his NBC status. We can not let LTC Lakin be martyred by this evil regime and not speak up and demand the usurper be exposed.

Release all the college records, the Hawaii file, the Pakistan files, the Indonesia files, the British files, the Kenya files, the Occidental files, the Harvard files, the Columbia files, the Hawaii hospital files, the state of Illinois files, the Illinois bar association files, the University of Chicago files, the Rev Wright Church files, the Ayers and Dohrn Obama files, the Alinsky organizer files, and all the rest.

Posted by: OldAtlantic | August 7, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Too bad that Obama did not have a senate hearing like McCain did, where they said that because McCain was Born American citizens (yes two of them) that he was indeed a Natural Born Citizen.

If Obama had to do the same for the same Senate, he would not have been considered a Natural Born Citizen.

I Guess the post doesn't care about reporting as much as calling people "birthers" though.

Posted by: themunz1 | August 7, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Give this nut case his day in court, then dis-honorable discharge, and a couple years in Leavenworth.

Posted by: colonel-dan | August 7, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"There is no way anyone would spend over one million dollars to NOT show their birth certificate when all they have to do is get a copy of it for $15 dollars."

President Obama has not spent $1 million, or anywhere close to that, fighting birther suits. It's another birther lie. WND cites the amount of money the Obama campaign spent on lawyers, and assumes that EVERY SINGLE PENNY of it goes to fighting birther suits. It's like seeing somebody with a receipt for $100 from McDonalds and concluding that they spent $100 on McFlurries.

"look up his grandmother saying she was there when he was born in Kenya"

And then listen 5 seconds later on the unedited recording where she says that Obama was born in Hawaii because his father was studying there.

"Natural Born = Born of BLOOD & SOIL
The BLOOD of BOTH Parents and the place of Birth on American SOIL."

There is not a single current member of Congress, judge, law professor or constitutional scholar who agrees with that interpretation. There are former presidents, VPs, nominees and candidates who would then not qualify, ranging from Chester A. Arthur to Tom Tancredo, who has Italian citizenship due to his grandparents.

"Why would anyone do all of this bad PR producing foot-dragging when simply producing a Birth Certificate would end all discussion?"

See the quote just above this one. There are people who have at least a half-dozen backup arguments. Nothing will ever satisfy birthers, and it makes absolutely no sense to cater to irrational, paranoid conspiracy theorists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNjRthxvSFg

Posted by: bc42bo44 | August 7, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Those who really hate our legally elected President will grasp at anything. Anything to undercut and raise issues. They will lie--interesting many are Christians. Those who lay deceit intentionally lie. My parents and the Catholic nuns always taught me it was a lie to bear false witness. Anyway, President Obama did release his birth record--the one required by Hawaii law (where do they get he is spending millions to hide it--sounds like some conservation commentators who must not be Christian). All Hawaiian officials have stated it is official, the correct document, and what is required. It is posted on the internet. You can see it at politifact.com. The State Department years ago issued a passport under its regulations for a declaration of citizenship. This was before any Obama Presidential aspirations. The birth record will stand up in any court of law and an examination of it is conclusive. Besides, as one Post commentator to this article noted, the time to question this is over. The election period is designed to address these matters and they if fact were addressed. Slam dunk! As for the medical officer who doesn't want to deploy, thank God he is going this route rather than shooting up his area of practice as did his colleague in Fort Hood, Texas. I sincerely hope the medical profession strips him of his license. That might make him think twice rather than sitting in some prison as a martyr to those who hate Obama. I certainly hope that all those conservatives who hate the President do not honor this dirt bag for his unwillingness to serve. Even Albert Haynesworth who doesn't want to play for the Skins has deployed and thank God finally passed his test. Now maybe we can juice him up and get him to be an emotional Redskin. But for those who are encouraging the doctor in this undercutting scheme against the President, we would have another doc providing care for our troops. Think about it people.

Posted by: sbrick | August 7, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

It is appalling that the judge would allow any motion for dismissal. It would be difficult to find a more clear cut violation of the UCMJ. Hopefully Lakin can use his medical skills on his fellow inmates at Levenworth. The man is disgrace to the uniform and all of us who wore it with honor.

Posted by: rant | August 7, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

This idiot is going to get hammered both in civil court(why he's even allowed a hearing in civil court is enigmatic)and when he finally gets in front of a military court. The other problem he's going to have is he's done this in time of war, heavy hammer that.

Posted by: Watcher1 | August 7, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

There is no way anyone would spend over one million dollars to NOT show their birth certificate when all they have to do is get a copy of it for $15 dollars. Go on youtube and look up his grandmother saying she was there when he was born in Kenya, Michelle saying Kenya is is home country, the Kenyan ambassador saying they are going to build a shrine in Kenya where he was born, and there is even a clip with Obama saying he was born in Kenya.
Google his Certificate of Live Birth and where it says Father's Race, the put down: African. There is no such thing as African race, it would be like saying North American race. The certificate is a fraud. Why? Because he does not have a long form birth certificate!
Wake up America. When this comes out, and it will,everything he has signed will be voided, including Supreme Court nominations and the health care bill.

Posted by: jagayan | August 7, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Tncdel

You are sick in the head, dude. You are an honest to goodness, card carrying wing nut that needs to be institutionalized. I hope for the rest of us that the men in the white coats are coming to get you soon.

Let me guess. You also think that Bush and Cheney pulled off 9/11. You think man walked with dinosaurs and the earth is only 4000 years old. You think doctors that perform abortions should be killed. You believe the U.S. is a Christian country.

You think Elvis is still alive.

You are getting signals from outer space beamed directly into your brain.

There is a soap box in the park with your name on it. How about you go preach there and leave the rest of us to have an intelligent conversation?

Posted by: biggerjake | August 7, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Tncdel

You are sick in the head, dude. You are an honest to goodness, card carrying wing nut that needs to be institutionalized. I hope for the rest of us that the men in the white coats are coming to get you soon.

Let me guess. You also think that Bush and Cheney pulled off 9/11. You think man walked with dinosaurs and the earth is only 4000 years old. You think doctors that perform abortions should be killed. You believe the U.S. is a Christian country.

You think Elvis is still alive.

You are getting signals from outer space beamed directly into your brain.

There is a soap box in the park with your name on it. How about you go preach there and leave the rest of us to have an intelligent conversation?

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Posted by: joshuajeff7 | August 7, 2010 3:57 AM | Report abuse

Assuming, arguendo, that Obama is a true U.S. citizen, nonetheless, he is a TRAITOR to our country who has committed countless CRIMES while in office.

Three Arizona counties the size of the entire State of Delaware were taken over by Mexican nationals and, instead of sending in troops to liberate those counties and to vanquish the enemy, Obama CEDED those counties, while warning U.S. citizens to stay out of them. Further, to aid and abet the enemy, Obama incredibly filed a federal lawsuit against those he should instead be defending and protecting!

Obama has also been serving FOREIGN NATIONALS HERE ILLEGALLY, by trying to give them amnesty, "free" healthcare, and just about everything else, even a "Dream Act" to go to college!

Obama has also committed countless CRIMES.

For federal law says it's a felony crime, punishable by 5 years prison and $5,000 fine EACH count, to aid or abet, or to encourage or harbor, an illegal alien ... exactly what Obama has been CRIMINALLY doing ... but for many MILLIONS of them. Ergo, MILLIONS OF CRIMES.

See:
http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/AidAbetUnlawfulSec8USC1324.html

Additionally, Obama has committed still other crimes: OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, in violation of federal criminal statute 18 USC Sections 1503, ET SEQ.

Obstructing justice by ordering his puppet Eric Holder to drop the slam dunk criminal prosecution of the Black Panthers for voter obstruction.

Obama also committed other crimes obstructing justice by similarly ordering that the DOJ drop its prosecution-investigation of ACORN, not once, but TWICE.

Accordingly, I urge everyone to get on the phones, telling your fed senators and reps to IMPEACH both Obama and Holder, and have them prosecuted by an independent prosecutor, or call for a bi-partisan prosecution.

Posted by: tncdel | August 7, 2010 1:33 AM | Report abuse

If Lakin and others refused to deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan for the rational reason that these wars are immoral and have no particular point, I would fully support him and the others.

But Lakin gets no sympathy from me for claiming to believe that Obama "was not born in the United States and is therefore ineligible to be Commander in Chief." Of all the nutty justifications to try to avoid deployment... With luck, Lakin will face a Firing Squad. I'll volunteer, and make sure my cartridge is not a blank.

Posted by: ptgrunner | August 7, 2010 1:08 AM | Report abuse

RINO McCain is not a Natural Born Citizen & would be in the same position if he had stole the Election.He was not born on American SOIL!
The Birth Certificate Does Not Matter!
That substantiates Citizen.
A Citizen can not be President unless that Citizen is a Natural Born American Citizen!
Natural Born = Born of BLOOD & SOIL
The BLOOD of BOTH Parents and the place of Birth on American SOIL.
Barack Hussein Obama Sr. the usurper's Father was never an American Citizen and was a Kenyan Brit under British Jurisdiction and the British Nationality Act of 1948 which caused any child he was to have being born a British Subject. His Father was a British Subject under British Law so his children come under British Jurisdiction and are born British Subjects.
It is at this time unknown whether Stanley Ann Dunham was in a place and a position and at a age to transfer American Citizenship to little Obama but if she was it would only make him a dual Citizen and a DUAL CITIZEN can NEVER be considered a Natural Born American Citizen. Just GOOGLE (John Jay. George Washington, Natural Born) and read what our 1st Supreme Court Justice had to say about a Brit becoming Commander in Chief! That is why we have the Natural Born requirement in Article 2. Section 1. paragraph 5. of our great Constitution. The puppet sleeping in our White House is not President. It is all an illusion created by the New World Order's ruling RICH in it's move to take over our Free Capitalistic Republic and turn us into a 3rd world Communist style slave State. Unless you want to be a slave working for foreign rich guys at slave wages you better finally stand up and join the FIGHT! AMERICA FOR AMERICANS FOREVER!
F--- THE REST! Buck Ofama!

Posted by: old1 | August 7, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

RINO McCain is not a Natural Born Citizen & would be in the same position if he had stole the Election.He was not born on American SOIL!
The Birth Certificate Does Not Matter!
That substantiates Citizen.
A Citizen can not be President unless that Citizen is a Natural Born American Citizen!
Natural Born = Born of BLOOD & SOIL
The BLOOD of BOTH Parents and the place of Birth on American SOIL.
Barack Hussein Obama Sr. the usurper's Father was never an American Citizen and was a Kenyan Brit under British Jurisdiction and the British Nationality Act of 1948 which caused any child he was to have being born a British Subject. His Father was a British Subject under British Law so his children come under British Jurisdiction and are born British Subjects.
It is at this time unknown whether Stanley Ann Dunham was in a place and a position and at a age to transfer American Citizenship to little Obama but if she was it would only make him a dual Citizen and a DUAL CITIZEN can NEVER be considered a Natural Born American Citizen. Just GOOGLE (John Jay. George Washington, Natural Born) and read what our 1st Supreme Court Justice had to say about a Brit becoming Commander in Chief! That is why we have the Natural Born requirement in Article 2. Section 1. paragraph 5. of our great Constitution. The puppet sleeping in our White House is not President. It is all an illusion created by the New World Order's ruling RICH in it's move to take over our Free Capitalistic Republic and turn us into a 3rd world Communist style slave State. Unless you want to be a slave working for foreign rich guys at slave wages you better finally stand up and join the FIGHT! AMERICA FOR AMERICANS FOREVER!
F--- THE REST! Buck Ofama!

Posted by: old1 | August 7, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

RINO McCain is not a Natural Born Citizen & would be in the same position if he had stole the Election.He was not born on American SOIL!
The Birth Certificate Does Not Matter!
That substantiates Citizen.
A Citizen can not be President unless that Citizen is a Natural Born American Citizen!
Natural Born = Born of BLOOD & SOIL
The BLOOD of BOTH Parents and the place of Birth on American SOIL.
Barack Hussein Obama Sr. the usurper's Father was never an American Citizen and was a Kenyan Brit under British Jurisdiction and the British Nationality Act of 1948 which caused any child he was to have being born a British Subject. His Father was a British Subject under British Law so his children come under British Jurisdiction and are born British Subjects.
It is at this time unknown whether Stanley Ann Dunham was in a place and a position and at a age to transfer American Citizenship to little Obama but if she was it would only make him a dual Citizen and a DUAL CITIZEN can NEVER be considered a Natural Born American Citizen. Just GOOGLE (John Jay. George Washington, Natural Born) and read what our 1st Supreme Court Justice had to say about a Brit becoming Commander in Chief! That is why we have the Natural Born requirement in Article 2. Section 1. paragraph 5. of our great Constitution. The puppet sleeping in our White House is not President. It is all an illusion created by the New World Order's ruling RICH in it's move to take over our Free Capitalistic Republic and turn us into a 3rd world Communist style slave State. Unless you want to be a slave working for foreign rich guys at slave wages you better finally stand up and join the FIGHT! AMERICA FOR AMERICANS FOREVER!
F--- THE REST! Buck Ofama!

Posted by: old1 | August 7, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Now for some history, facts, Supreme Court case law, and legal arguments by an expert on Article II, Section 1, Clause 5, the Presidential eligibility clause of the U.S. Constitution. This clause used only in Article II of the Constitution for the eligibility requirements of the President and Commander in Chief, requires that person to be a "natural born Citizen". Attorney Apuzzo tell us in this essay what is the historical source and meaning of that term. And Obama does not meet it.

Obama May Be A "Citizen of the United State" but He is Not a "natural born Citizen of the United States":
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/03/obama-maybe-citizen-of-united-states.html

Posted by: ramjet767 | August 7, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Hillary's #1 Birther Attack Dog. Meet Grand-Poppa Birther, Jonathan Turley ...
http://birthers.org/misc/FOMB.html

Posted by: ramjet767 | August 7, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

MSNBC's Chris Matthews was a "birther" in Dec 2007 when he said Barack Obama was "born in Indonesia". How the worm turns. Oh the thrill up his leg when he thinks of Obama or his ideological mentor, Saul Alinsky. Hillary opposition research teams started all this where were various candidates born stuff. But it backfired on her when she joined the Obama team and couldn't shut down her anti-Obama operation. Is Chris Matthews a closet racist? Is Hillary the original racist in all this for questioning via her operatives both Obama and McCain's place of birth? Obama accused her husband Bill of being a racist. Race cards being played all over the place these days. The last defense of a scoundrel in politics and debate is to play the race card.

http://24ahead.com/chris-matthews-2007-obama-was-born-indonesia

Posted by: ramjet767 | August 7, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Support no moderate. Enable no liberal. Vote for no Democrt - at any level. Stop the Obama and liberals' agenda which intends to force through an exteme makeover of the United States of America.
[Too bad, American citizens, this means government "of the people, by the people, for the people" will be an annoyance and so it will be destroyed]

Posted by: maryckk | August 6, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

I happened to begin living on Oahu, Hawaii before Mr Obama might have been born there. And so Mr. Obama's place of birth is irrelevant to me - it cannot stain my experience in living in Hawaii.

Oahu,Hawaii is a place most loved and valued to me.

Posted by: maryckk | August 6, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

The 'Birthers' attack machine began on the Left - The Daily Beast
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-02-08/the-secret-history-of-the-birthers/full/

Well ... the above article is starting to get closer to the truth. But the Birther actions predates PUMA and was started directly by Hillary Clinton campaign opposition research operatives early in 2008 and Obama was not their first target!

Meet Grand-Poppa Birther, Jonathan Turley ...
http://birthers.org/misc/FOMB.html

McCain was the first target of Hillary Clinton's "birther" opposition research teams. Was McCain really born in the Canal Zone? The Devil's in the Details. See this article. John McCain, Hero to Zero at Mach 6.66!
http://www.thebirthers.org/misc/DevilDetails.html

Posted by: ramjet767 | August 6, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Mr. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone during the period when the United States had been granted control over the Panama Canal Zone. The Panama Canal Zone wasn't turned over to Panama until 1999.

Posted by: maryckk | August 6, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that I recall that McCain was born in Panama in the Canal Zone. Last time I checked, that was not one of the 50 states. Would the birthers be challenging that also?

Posted by: rawed | August 6, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

This is too hard for a fourth of Americans to understand, he could have been born on Mars, does not matter when the state of Hawaii recognizes him as an American. By law states document citizenship, challenging Obama for proof is absurd when the state of Hawaii should be petitioned. I don't think the petition will get a second look.

Posted by: jameschirico | August 6, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

The "...decorated Army doctor and 18-year veteran Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin..." is a disloyal American and should be booted from the Army. He is a disgrace to this country.

Posted by: jjedif | August 6, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I like to think that a lot of the people posting arguments that Obama was born outside the USA are not as ...uummm ... "interesting" as they appear to be. I hope a lot of them are bored university students trying to trigger outrage. Merciful heaven, please let that be true.

Posted by: northernliberal1 | August 6, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Just keep the turmoil going - like the idiots who don't believe GWBush won the 2000 election - despite 7, seven, Seven, SEVEN recounts (including one by that liberal bastion the NYT). Incidently, the official, final, recorded results are that GWB won by 3 percentage points. It would be more comforting, however, to believe that our country was being destroyed by a knowldgeable American citizen vs a bumbling, stumbling Kenyan.

Posted by: IQ168 | August 6, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

The legacy of Mr. Obama: Those who have a passive hope (no personal aspiration required) for a passive change (no personal effort needed) love the audacity of inadequacy (i.e., victimhood).

But could even this pitiable "legacy" be inadequate due to Mr. Obama's passive-aggressiveness or his actual inability to produce a birth certificate?

Support no moderate. Enable no liberal. Vote for no Democrat - at any level. Stop the Obama and liberals' agenda that intends the extreme makeover of the United States of America.

Posted by: maryckk | August 6, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

The USA has 12 to 30 million illegal aliens popping babies every few seconds, and some people want to question whether our president is an American. Please pass out some brains, where needed. It doesn't matter where he was born. His mother is an American citizen. Duh!!! Those who check such matters have checked such matters. One comment made said that if anyone wanted to challenge his citizenship it would be Hillary and McCain, and they accept it. His mother was from Kansas, and his grandmother from Mercer Island, Seattle, where the wealthy live. Dream on. Obama is an American citizen. But are you a patriotic American? You don't act like one. You act like a spoil sport, who would rather have have Sarah Palin as president.

Posted by: Jo5311 | August 6, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

After reading all the posts, there is but one conclusion we can come to...most people who post do not do their homework before launching into a tirade. It is easier these days to tell others what you think you know, rather than providing proof for your assertions. When newspapers publish a story, they are not bloggers..they are professionals in journalism.

Fabrication of untruths is on the upswing, just listen to the bobble head talk show commentary. Inciting people with delusional half-truths to sell your brand of nonsense is easy to do, it doesn't require any intellect or reasoning skills..more the persona of a used car salesman.

Personally, I could care less where my president was born, I am more concerned about him being besieged by Lilliputians bent on ensnaring him so he can't pass legislation that would benefit all of us.

Pheonix Prime

Posted by: starshipengineer | August 6, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Should it happen that he was indeed not born in the USA (he may not even know since his memory may be a bit foggy at day 1) does it really matter. Only to the racist side of the country.


Posted by: fransh | August 6, 2010 7:16 PM
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What about that little document called the constitution that requires the president to be a US citizen?

Posted by: AkCoyote | August 6, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Anyone can go to the Hawaii Health Department and apply for a Certificate of Live Birth, and this is normal when a child is born somewhere other than a hospital. The Obama campaign has released Obama's Certificate of Live Birth images. If you are born in a hospital, you don't need a Certificate of Live Birth because the hospital will apply for a Birth Certificate, a much more detailed document. If Obama was born in a Hawaii hospital why does he have a Certificate of Live Birth instead of a Birth Certificate? If he has a Birth Certificate, why is he speeding over a million dollars fighting release of his birth records? Why would anyone do all of this bad PR producing foot-dragging when simply producing a Birth Certificate would end all discussion? It would have been important prior to the election as the rules at the time of his birth did not make him a US citizen simply by having a US mother and if he were born outside the US, he would not have been a US citizen, and thus, would not have been able to run for president. Since his eligibility was not officially challenged prior to the election, he is our lawful president.
Calling anyone who raises this issue "morons" simply shows who does not have legitimate arguments for their position.

Posted by: RichardBR | August 6, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

25% of Americans believe the earth is flat, evolution is a communist plot and that there are martians living in Nevada.

You can believe whatever you like, but it won't get you out of a signed contract.

Like they used to say on the old TV show, when facing a load of garbage "Tell it to the judge!"

Posted by: rwolf01 | August 6, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

25% of Americans believe the earth is flat, evolution is a communist plot and that there are martians living in Nevada.

You can believe whatever you like, but it won't get you out of a signed contract.

Like they used to say on the old TV show, when facing a load of garbage "Tell it to the judge!"

Posted by: rwolf01 | August 6, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

wasGOPnowfree didn't disprove one statement by me in my last post. You did, however, misrepresent my position; you implied that I said Obama was not a U.S. citizens. Not true. I did question his eligibilty and still do. He still has NOT produced a valid birth certificate. He HAS SEALED his records.
You asked if I believe agencies of the Federal government and all it's agencies would allow a non U.S. Citizen to be president for over 18 months? You bet I do. That's the problem when you have one party controling all three houses of government. They're asking us to trust them. Do you? How about Pelosi saying we have to pass the healthCONTROL Bill to find out what's in it? You trust her on that? Then you trust her motives when she submitted two different documents attesting to Obama's eligibilty.
I stated facts and asked questions relative to those facts. You on the other hand seem to believe what you hear without question.
That's the trouble with liberal/socialists...You believe because you want to, not because the facts support your arguement.
I want to see the facts so if you don't mind, when you send Kenya Boy to Texas next week, have him bring his birth certificate. If does, I'll apologize!

Posted by: TexRancher | August 6, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Anyone can go to the Hawaii Health Department and apply for a Certificate of Live Birth, and this is normal when a child is born somewhere other than a hospital. The Obama campaign has released Obama's Certificate of Live Birth images. If you are born in a hospital, you don't need a Certificate of Live Birth because the hospital will apply for a Birth Certificate, a much more detailed document. If Obama was born in a Hawaii hospital why does he have a Certificate of Live Birth instead of a Birth Certificate? If he has a Birth Certificate, why is he speeding over a million dollars fighting release of his birth records? Why would anyone do all of this bad PR producing foot-dragging when simply producing a Birth Certificate would end all discussion? It would have been important prior to the election as the rules at the time of his birth did not make him a US citizen simply by having a US mother and if he were born outside the US, he would not have been a US citizen, and thus, would not have been able to run for president. Since his eligibility was not officially challenged prior to the election, he is our lawful president.
Calling anyone who raises this issue "morons" simply shows who does not have legitimate arguments for their position.

Posted by: RichardBR | August 6, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

People aren't talking about the fact that this Obama is announced in the Bible. He's a central Biblical figure and not in the "Good" column. He's the arch-villain in the story. He's the announced one who will be shown by the number 666. What number 666 was Obama shown by ? The photos in this link are to the victory news-edition for Obama and on Page 2 you have 666 in the Lottery section.
This was in all USA papers which all cover the Illinois big State Lottery.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/127/623/ObamaPocalypse_666_Lottery_Pick_SCOTUS_Death_Sentence_If_Births_Issue_Because_Fraud_A_Bomb_Threat.html

Take the link and send it to all the Lakin articles that are breaking everywhere.

Posted by: GeirSmith | August 6, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Should it happen that he was indeed not born in the USA (he may not even know since his memory may be a bit foggy at day 1) does it really matter. Only to the racist side of the country. Republicans have indicated a preference for presidents who are dumber then they are. That is not an easy task for many. Maybe that is the clue for the birthers- he's too smart to be ..... He scares the Republicans. Who has ever been to a place where government health care is considered bad!!!! I would bet the 60-80% of the world without it would be cheering Obama as a hero. He did what no other president could. Truely help the poor and low income. What a fantastic step forward your country has made. Catching up to the rest of the developed countries. Many of you call it socialism, the rest of the world calls it a sharing of wealth. Well, it is and the only ones that consider it bad are the people who will have to help pay for those without.

Posted by: fransh | August 6, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

This is such a non-issue.....the rethug who orginally questioned the president's birthplace, must be rubbing his hands in glee. Rethugs/conservatives/birthers, all wrapped up in ignorance that boggles the mind.

Posted by: liberalwesterngirl | August 6, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

There are even MORONS posting on this story asking for Obama to produce his birth certificate. If he did so 1,000,000 time some MORON would still ask the same question.
What is wrong with these people?

Posted by: charlesalmon | August 6, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

igorkh - go to the article above and click on debunked.

Posted by: Sharon_6441 | August 6, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

What does it say about the Army that someone this stupid can rise to the rank of lieutenant colonel?

Posted by: Sluggo51 | August 6, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I am certainly not an Obama fan by any means and I admit that I am not an immigration or citizenship expert either so I ask that someone with more knowledge in that subject matter help me out. Is it not a moot point whether Obama was born in Hawaii or the moon? Isn't natural born citizenship for Obama automatic because his mother was a natural born (Kansas) U.S. citizen who happened to travel the world? Hundreds of natural born citizens are born to military families overseas, corporate personnel on overseas assignments, etc. As for the Johnh1054, John McCain was born to U.S. military parents overseas. Regardless of whether he was born in the Canal Zone, which all of the internet sites state, or in Panama, it doesn't make any difference regarding his natural born status. That too is a moot point. Like I said, I am not an Obama fan I think that Barack Obama is a natural born citizen not because of where he was born but rather by who his mother was, a natural born citizen in her own right. As for all of you who paint Birthers with such a wide, all-encompassing brush, I would like to point out that not all Birthers are racists. Far from the truth but then you wouldn't be happy unless you could play that tired-ass card. Many people don't like his position on the issues. Some people believe he way too far to the left. Some people are just Republicans. But to paint them all as racists is wrong, uninformed, and moronic.

Posted by: garypierce1 | August 6, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

If Obama is a US citizen then why did not he produce his birth certificate, what is problem?

Posted by: igorkh | August 6, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I think a word got dropped. Article says "a quarter of Americans." Probably it should say "a quarter of a dozen Americans," though I couldn't name the other two.

Posted by: tmorgan2008 | August 6, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

There are some who are the type that believe that "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts" and the more you try to give them the correct information the more irritated they become and the they become more entrenched in what they believe.

Posted by: mcdonalsherry | August 6, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

As to this Lt. Col., throw the UCMJ at him, give him hard time in the stockade, strip him of his rank and honors, and then boot him with a dishonorable discharge.

Posted by: lmb02 | August 6, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

This is a "legal" non-brainer! President Barack Obama is the legitimate president of the United States and therefore this LTC Lakin has no legal basis to disobey a lawful order by the US Army to deploy. He has set himself up for a court martial and his deranged thinking is going to land him in the brig (where he belongs). Any sane, rational US service member of any stripe or ilk, knows that you do not deliberately disobey a lawful order without being charged with a crime punishable by the UCMJ. "Nuts" come in all stripes.

Posted by: paulmsmith | August 6, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

To TexRancher: first off your callsign is appropriate. It is people like you that are destroyed the fabric of this country with lunatic fringe nonsensical banter. Seriously - you need to find something meaningful to spend your energy on. Do you actually think that the federal government and all of it's agencies would allow a non-US citizen to be president for over 18 months? You sir are a fool. I hope you and Rick Perry have a wonderful life together. Scary.

Posted by: WasGOPnowFree | August 6, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

This has gone far enough. The President has shown his real birth certificate to dozens of experts. It's been verified by the Hawaii Dept of Records and Hawaiian Governor Linda Lingle, who is a Republican and has no vested interest in covering for a Democratic President.

Terence Lakin should be prosecuted to the fullest extent for dereliction of duty. President Obama is his Commander-in-Chief, and, as such, is entitled to respect, not rumors and racist allegations.

Posted by: lurkittyfb | August 6, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

To all you nutjob birthers:

If Obama wasn't a US citizen, is just slightly possible that it might have been detected by:

- Hillary Clinton, since it would have given her the Presidency, eliminating her only serious challenger.

- John McCain, since it would have eliminated his competition.

Oh, wait, both Clinton and McCain are part of the secret Socialist Communist Fascist scheme launched in 1961 when the phony birth announcements were planted in the Hawaiian newspapers. And of course the GOP governor is part of this plot.

The desperate clinging to this birther fiction shows racism or delusional disconnect from reality. And the so-called "leaders" who keep fanning the flames are not interested in the truth, but rather power and you sheep are stupid enough to drink this koolaid for THEIR benefit, not yours.

Posted by: lmb02 | August 6, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

So, if Obama is not American born, does that mean the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court committed an impeachable offense? Roberts administered the oath of office to Obama. Did he knowingly administer the oath to someone who wasn't constitutionally qualified to be president? If Roberts had any doubts, one call to Obama's campaign would have settled it. Obama would have jumped through hoops to provide proper documentation and, if he didn't, Roberts would have only had to send out a press release saying, under the circumstances, he couldn't administer the oath & that would have been that!

Posted by: mygiftiwrite | August 6, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

rethman - and you missed the interview with the nurse that knew his family and was present in Honolulu when he was born.
www.FactCheck.org - for all you "birthers"!

Posted by: Sharon_6441 | August 6, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

ramjet767 - I actually heard Michelle Obama say this and no one took it the way you are trying so hard to imply and confuse. She was meaning that they visited his "homeland" (that was his father's ancestral homeland). No where did she say that he was born in Kenya. We say the same thing when we visit Denmark, my husband's ancestral homeland. Visit www.FactCheck.org for our President's birth certificate info and pics. And the rubbish in the Kenyan papers--well you know cultures are different and they probably are very proud of him and consider him "one of their own" because of his father, but that doesn't make him any less born in Hawaii and reported as such in the Honolulu newspaper & the Hawaii Vital Stats Office.

Posted by: Sharon_6441 | August 6, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

At a minimum this deserter should have to pay for the cost of the lawsuit, given a dishonorable discharge and sent to the military prison.

Posted by: kishorgala | August 6, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

This guy is a brave soldier; he was on the list for full colonel, he's been deployed repeatedly and yet he still does this? If you study this guy's personal history you may find him hard to dismiss -- as some who don't bother to check things out have already done on this site.

Bottom line on the backstory: Obama has kept his original b/c hidden away. Why? Who knows, but:
1) All it took to orginate a HI b/c in 1961 was a baby under one arm and a drivers' license in the other;
2) Obama claimed to have been born at Queens Hospital until well after the election only to change his story a year ago when he instead claimed to have been born at Kapiolani Women's and Children's Hospital;
3) The fact that birth announcements appeared in both Honolulu dailies is meaningless -- every new b/c generated a listing of new births in Honolulu back then;
4) Are there doctors' signatures from Kapiolani or Queens on the original document?
5) Obama was born 49 years ago. Why has no one come forward to say he/she was there? It's not like civilian blacks on Oahu were anything other than extremely rare in 1961. (Military kids were born at Tripler Hospital and at other military facilities.) Yet no one remembers?

Yeah, I know, I'm just another racist in the eyes of many. But why has Barack Obama (nee Barry Obama, nee Barry Soetoro) paid a couple of million dollars to suppress the production of this document? (I was sure he'd release it after the 2008 election, but nooooo....)

Odd behavior, to say the least. Maybe we'll now find out what, if anything, is amiss with the original b/c.

MR,
Honolulu (where NO one wants to discuss this issue... because, well, you might hazard a guess....)

Posted by: rethman | August 6, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

If we care about actual laws and things like that, then the definitions from Title III of the Immigration and Nationality Act, section 301, would be helpful.

“The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person.

This would be John McCain.

g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.

This would be Barack Obama.

So, since there is no rational basis for the Birthers’ claims, why do they keep bringing this up? More specifically, why do they accept that John McCain was a legitimate candidate but Obama was not?

There’s only one rational conclusion: the Birthers are racists, which is plenty obvious anyway, without a rehearsal of relevant law.

Posted by: johnh1054 | August 6, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The ethnophobic Neanderthals need to go back to their caves and shut up about the President's citizenship. He was born in Hawaii and has a LEGITIMATE birth certificate duly registered at the time of his birth as well as recorded in the local Newspapers of the day. Their racism is a shame and a pity to all citizens of color with foreign sounding names. There are none so blind as those who WILL not see, as their continuance of beating this dead, old horse illustrates. WHEN will the regressive Republi-WON'T Party of NO! wake up and smell the load of bull excrement they are trying to pass off as fact? Shame on them and ALL who believe their racist claptrap. They refuse to do the job they were sent to Washington to do, which is to work for the PEOPLE, not RICH,WHITE people, ALL the people. God is watching them, HE will have them read their pages out of the Book on Judgment Day. Perhaps THEN, justice will be served.

Posted by: billnbillieskid | August 6, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Trevithick, George W. Bush was photographed strolling through the Rose Garden with the Saudi Crown Prince. They were pictured holding hands like a couple of lovers. Should we question George's citizenship or his sexuality? BTW, Isn't Bush from Texas?

Posted by: CMAN27 | August 6, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

All these comments are apples and oranges arguments.....and since there isn't a single issue, then agreement simply isn't possible, and even understanding isn't possible.

The Democrats and Liberals are defending Obama's skin color.
The Republicans and Conservatives are attacking Obama's policies.

RACE!.......no, POLICIES!
POLICIES!....no, RACE!

Being old, I see one defining, distinguishing characteristic about the two different opinions being thrown around: The Democrats and liberal Obama supporters don't seem emotionally capable or intellectually able to state their views without profanity, personal insults and hate-filled expressions of disagreement.

I didn't vote for either McCain OR Obama because I didn't agree with EITHER candidate's policies....still don't.

Posted by: jgsr | August 6, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame this LTC just doesn't want to deploy and is throwing away his career when he could have just gone on www.FactCheck.org (and typed in Obama Birth Certificate)and saw that his Commander in Chief was indeed born in Hawaii. Even the conservative republican governor of Hawaii is sick of these nutjobs claiming otherwise. And anyone that has ever worked for the government knows background checks are done. Haven't these folks claiming this junk ever served in the military or the government?
And why isn't the high profile republicans (who know better) refuting this with their base? (Because they use the loonies for votes). Signed:
An Old Army wife/Mother of two kids with 5 tours total to the Bush Wars (who hopes this "doctor" never has to work on any of my kids!!)

Posted by: Sharon_6441 | August 6, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

He should show a REAL birth Certificate , not the fake unofficial one from Hawaii. Simple solution huh? Or he could even show a real Columbia University Transcript, or a Harvard transcript. May be even a US issued Passport....
These documents would quickly clear it all up. BUT INSTAED the Obama's fight any attempt to disclose those documents. They have thus far spent over 1 Million dollars to block proving citizenship. Every former President proved US citizenship. WHY NOT OBAMA? Just him saying he is a US citizen is NOT proof.

Posted by: SenorSlick | August 6, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Everybody knows!
Intelligent people don't ask!
Hiwaii's Republican Gov says so!
All the CREDIBLE media agrees!
Only Crazies, ...
Now which group is more level headed? The ones (25%) who ask for evidence; or the people (75%)who trust the media and take their word for it? Answer? The answer is that % don't mean anything.
One Quarter of America (must all be from the south in fly over country) question his place of birth.
I wasn't there and I don't know where he was born ... but I know he doesn't talk, walk, think, or bow to the rest of the world the same way ANY American I know. American men don't bow to kings. It's in our DNA. We have an aversion to kings. But then of course, if you were from here, you would know that, huh?
Maybe he was born in Hiwaii, but to get a bank account in Texas, you gotta have something other than a note from your mommie.

Posted by: trevithick | August 6, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Any fool can keep on asking questions. As the pundits like to say, "Questions remain unanswered."
Every parent knows at some point he must ignore his child's endless questions and assert his authority. "Do it because I say so!"
Wisdom teaches us to accept reasonable answers and legitimate authority. It will be sad to see Lt Col Lakin go to jail. Millions of birthers will claim him as their martyr. When they finally win their cause, irrationality will rule and chaos will descend and America will be no more.

Posted by: KentuckyKen | August 6, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry for you poor lost and confused "Birthers". So dissatisfied with 2008 election, are you, as to concoct such a lame point of outrage. Really, as I read your posting, I laugh because I find your ravings quite entertaining but completely without substance.

Posted by: bdthrill | August 6, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Why not refusing to deploy because war was declared illegally and for spurious reasons?

As for the birthers- the day you all pull your collective head out of your a** is the day you can actually contributed something worthwhile to the country- until then you're just noise pollution. Why don't you find a real issue to contend with instead of your fairytales. Oh wait, you don't have the intellect to do so!

Posted by: parapraxis | August 6, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

It's rather ironic that the presidential candidate in 2008 who was NOT born in the United States is John McCain. He was born in the Panama Canal Zone.

Posted by: ranugent | August 6, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Why, racerdoc, would I want to sign up to kill brown people?

Stop projecting your own racism.

Posted by: jiji1 | August 6, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"Numerous Fact checking organizations have debunked the theory"? Is that right? So far NOT ONE SOURCE has provided his validated birth certificate, his school records or his passport history. The statement from Hawaii's governor doesn't cut it as evidence. The fact is, Obama has sealed all his personal history information and has never been properly vetted for the office.
In fact he even stated in his Facebook page that his age (at the time) was 52.
Error? I've never made an error on my age...There are even questions remainning about his SSN and he didn't have one until years after he had supposedly worked for Baskin-Robbins. Too many questions and not enough answers!

Posted by: TexRancher | August 6, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I hate to be lumped with Chuckles Huckabee, but I have been making the Hillary Clinton/John McCain argument since I first heard of these birther nutbags.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | August 6, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

This nut job should be nailed to the wall for the rest of his kind to see just how pathetic thay all look.

Posted by: sammie21 | August 6, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

All Americans have a right to be concerned and should be concerned given the preponderance of the evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii and the records there were falsely registered by Obama's grandmother to get her foreign born new born grandson U.S. Citizenship, a highly coveted status for which people lie for today and did so back then too. The false registration that Obama was born in Hawaii by grandma Dunham is the "breeder document" that generated all other so called evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii such as the newspaper announcements places by the Hawaii Health Statistics Dept on the registration of all birth, real or falsified records.

See the statements from Kenyan government officials, Kenyan press, and other African press that Obama was born in Kenya.
http://www.scribd.com/document_collections/2441535

The Catalog of Evidence Why Americans Have a Right to Be Concerned About Obama's Eligibility to be the President.

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/05/catalog-of-evidence-concerned-americans.html

And then there are the statements from Obama's wife Michelle that Obama is a Kenyan and Kenya is Obama's homeland.

http://nobarack08.wordpress.com/2010/07/28/is-obama-calling-his-wife-a-liar/

Posted by: ramjet767 | August 6, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Their hatred is so deep, they themselves do not know it is there. But it keeps them from seeing through the propaganda that surrounds the opposition to our president. This is not an information-based problem, but a faith-based problem. No amount of evidence will convince someone who is determined to believe that a black man cannot be president except by fraud.

No matter what anyone says, all of these problems boil down to race:

1. Anything the president does is wrong; he's black.

2. The president is part of an islamic conspiracy. (We hate Musliims)

3. The president is a Democrat and therefore supports immigration reform. (We hate Mexicans.)

4. We like Glen Beck et al because they try to give us pseudo-logical reasons for all this hate that don't specifically include race.

Posted by: kbachus7 | August 6, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

So sad that Obama, the peacemaker, has to prosecute someone for refusing to kill brown people.

Posted by: jiji1 | August 6, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

___________

So are you saying that Obama should let all crank military members get away with defying orders during war time?

Bet you never served in the military. Why don't you sign up and serve buckwheat. And of course it is not Obama making the choice regarding prosecution - it is his commanding officer.

Should Obama personally interfere with ANY and EVERY prosecution surrounding his command?

What a bloody idjit you are.

Posted by: racerdoc | August 6, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Really gunnysgt77? No words from you, of course, about the previous President -- George "Frank Burns" Bush -- who sat out his war in the trenches of Alabama's country clubs or his "other priorities" draft deferring Vice President, who sat out his war too but found time when he is too old to serve to push torture chambers as policy. It was these two clowns who insisted on asking good men and women to die (1) for a mistake and (2)for these guys' vanity. Neither of them could answer some straight questions -- and important ones at that.


"Far too many missing papers and answers. This clown of a president is asking service men to give up their lives for this Country"

Posted by: audritsh | August 6, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Gee, and to think I could have claimed Nixon was not born on Earth. It's too bad the wingnuts are getting themselves in trouble.

Posted by: gwcox2 | August 6, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Gee, and to think I could have claimed Nixon was not born on Earth. It's too bad the wingnuts are getting themselves in trouble.

Posted by: gwcox2 | August 6, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

How can this guy possibly think that he will win his case? After all, the Commander In Chief was vetted exstensively prior to being confirmed as a candidate and President. His opponents would have loved to prove he wasn't a legitimate American by birth, but were unable to. This military doctor has the burden of proof to prove that Obama is not eligible to be in office. The Government doesn't need to prove it to the doctor in court. Even if the military doctor was able to prove Obama is ineligible to hold the office of President of the United States, which defies credulity, then it would still be a huge stretch to say that he no longer has to perform his duty. Let us say that Obama was out of the picture due to illness, death or had to step down from impeachment or any other circumstance. There would be an instant transfer of the power of Commander In Chief to, I assume, Biden. In this event, Lakin's orders to deploy would stand. Clearly this quixotic court case is pure political grandstanding or a desperation play from someone who really, really, really doesn't want to go back.

Posted by: TheMan66 | August 6, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

The guy is putting a lot on the line. Even if the President is not valid, due to citizenship reasons, subordinate commanders are valid and are likely the ones directly cutting the orders anyway.

Seems like a losing case.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | August 6, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The 'Birthers' Began on the Left - The Daily Beast
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-02-08/the-secret-history-of-the-birthers/full/

Well ... the above article is starting to get closer to the truth. But the Birther actions predates PUMA and was started directly by Hillary Clinton campaign opposition research operatives early in 2008 and Obama was not their first target!

Meet Grand-Poppa Birther, Jonathan Turley ...
http://birthers.org/misc/FOMB.html

Posted by: ramjet767 | August 6, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

An Associate Clinical Professor of Law says that Obama's "Birther" Strategy Has Backfired.

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/08/associate-clinical-professor-of-law.html

Posted by: ramjet767 | August 6, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

An Associate Clinical Professor of Law say that Obama's "Birther" Strategy Has Backfired.

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/08/associate-clinical-professor-of-law.html

Posted by: ramjet767 | August 6, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a fraud. Those that blindly support this incompetent man are fools. He was barely learning the job as Senator, voting "present", when he's suddenly elected president. He has gone out of his way to seal his school records, passport history and birth certificate. His campaign promises and pledges for transparency have given way to broken promises and back room deals. Americans see this man for what he is, unqualified, self-serving and a liar. What do you expect from an attorney, a politician and a Marxist? The Lt. Col. is a brave man for sticking his neck out in order to force the issue. Well done, sir!

Posted by: Stephen44 | August 6, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Leaving Iraq is long overdo and ending our foreign wars should be a priority for every American.

I cannot understand how an intelligent person can continue to argue the President's citizenship issue and forfeit his extremely generous military retirement over it.

I guess LTC Lakin isn't very intelligent after all. I trust he will enjoy his time at Leavenworth. He will have free time to write fan mail to Palin, Beck, Hannity, etc.

Posted by: TGM7 | August 6, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

John McCain, Republican nominee in 2006, was born at the Colon Hospital in Panama, clearly a foreign country. He was not born in the Canal Territory and he was not born on a military base. Pay attention out there: John McCain was born in a foreign country, NOT IN THE USA.

A few people commented on McCain's situation during the election, but did we see anything like the reaction that Barack Obama has received? Absolutely not.

And here's even more information that you, too, can find with just 30 seconds of searching on Google.

Barry Goldwater, Republican nominee in 1964, was born in a US territory, but not in the United States.

"Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada."

Also worth noting, Chester Arthur (Republican) was rumored to have been born in Canada. "He was sworn in as president when President Garfield died after being shot. Since his Irish father William was naturalized 14 years after Chester Arthur's birth,[40] his citizenship status at birth is unclear, because he was born before the 1868 ratification of the 14th Amendment, which provided that any person born on United States territory and being subject to the jurisdiction thereof was considered a born U.S. citizen, and because he was a British subject at birth by patrilineal jus sanguinis. Arthur's natural born citizenship status is therefore equally unclear." And yet, he was sworn in.

Let's just face reality. The Birthers are racists. It really is as simple as that.

Posted by: johnh1054 | August 6, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Birthers are sneaks. They are night-riders and sheet-wearers. They are cowards.

They prefer lies, rumors and gossip to the truth.

Any one or all of them could simply file a complaint and challenge Obama's legitimacy in a court of law.

They can present their evidence and make their argument in a public trial.

As supposed guardians and believers of our country's laws and the Constitution, why are they afraid to use them?

It would seem after 20 months of Obama's Presidency they would have sought relief in the courts to which every citizen has access to.

Is the truth not what they are seeking? It appears so.

Are they afraid the truth would take the wind out of the personal 'jihad' they are waging against a democratically elected President?

Or do they know their quest is based on lies, rumors and gossip and are deliberately avoiding any process that would put the issue to rest?

Do they prefer the night-riding, sheet-wearing tactics of the KKK to keep their manic 'movement' alive?

They say they want the truth to come out but they do not seek ways to accomplish their goal. Rather they avoid it.

In the movie the officer exclaimed, "You can't handle the truth!"

To the Birthers he would say, "You don't want the truth!"

Posted by: apspa1 | August 6, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Prosecute this crank to the fullest extent of the law.

Posted by: Observer001 | August 6, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

The birthers are clearly lunatics. LOL.

Posted by: davidsawh | August 6, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, time of war, call this treason and hang the coward.

Posted by: ozpunk | August 6, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

So sad that Obama, the peacemaker, has to prosecute someone for refusing to kill brown people.

Posted by: jiji1 | August 6, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Far too many missing papers and answers. This clown of a president is asking service men to give up their lives for this Country but the he can't address some straight questions to quell a problem that effects so many? Isn't it the 'government's agents that are constantly saying that if you fear answering questions you have something to hide? Me thinks the fox is in the hen house!

Posted by: gunnysgt77 | August 6, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"It never ceases to amaze me how reasonable, intelligent people do not understand that there are natural born citizens, native born citizens and citizens under the 14 the amendment"

This is because the Supreme Court has repeatedly held that there are two types of citizens: natural born and naturalized. There is NO distinction between "native born" and "natural born." In Ankeny, an Indiana court recently re-confirmed that ANYBODY born in the U.S. is a natural born citizen.

"a vaulted birth certificate,"

The COLB President Obama put on his website is a legal birth certificate, valid in any court in the country for any purpose.

"passport records to verify that he is in fact a "natural born citizen"."

Passport records would not verify anything. Naturalized citizens get passports as well. Birth in the U.S. is sufficient to be a natural born citizen.

"I think it is an open question that if your one parent is a British subject and your mother is a US citizen if you are "Natural Born""

It's not an open question, and it hasn't been since the Wong Kim Ark case in the late 19th century. There are former presidents, VPs and a multitude of candidates and nominees who had foreign citizen parents, and nobody claimed they were ineligible for office. Nobody made such claims about those candidates until Barack Obama, the bi-racial candidate with an Africa father, ran for office. I wonder why birthers and people making these legal arguments only sprang up now?

Posted by: bc42bo44 | August 6, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

It never ceases to amaze me how reasonable, intelligent people do not understand that there are natural born citizens, native born citizens and citizens under the 14 the amendment and that the President for what ever reason has failed to provide access to school records, a vaulted birth certificate, and passport records to verify that he is in fact a "natural born citizen". For my part, I think he was born in Hawaii. I think it is an open question that if your one parent is a British subject and your mother is a US citizen if you are "Natural Born" or "Native Born", but really shouldn't this have been settled before th election? Next time let's get the documents up front and if someone does not provide them, they should not be allowed on the ballot.

Posted by: joehorn123 | August 6, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse


Oh, boy, one less idiot Birther in the service. Either that, or he is a coward, avoiding his service in wartime, somewhat like Bush.

Posted by: gkam | August 6, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

One very deserved dishonerable discharge coming up. Hope he enjoys watching Fox news from the stockade for the next few years. Imbecile.

Posted by: kchses1 | August 6, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I would not have gotten my day in court if I was in the military and McCain had won. He is the one that wasn't born in the United States and even admits it.

Will someone please off this faggy. There is a war, he's an officer, and I really don't care what he thinks.

Posted by: RobertCurleyJacobs | August 6, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Dear Professor Wright BSU,

Don't you mean 'refudiate'?

Posted by: MTgrassland | August 6, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse
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um... if that is a joke, I didn't get it. Please provide context. 'Refudiate' isn't a word.

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Right. It's not a word. But the Republican Vice presidental candidate and Birther favorite, Sarah Palin, last week tweeted something to the effect that Mayor Bloomberg/Democrats/Real Americans/whomever should "refudiate" the Mosque being built in Manhattan near ground zero.

That's the joke. That right wingers' Idols confuse the words refute and repudiate. Of course in Real America, butchering the English language is a bona fide, and anyone who doesn't butcher the language must be a liberal elitist.

Posted by: JoeMck | August 6, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I couldn't care less about BO's birth certificate. What I want to see is his college applications and transcripts. Bush and Kerry provided theirs. Why won't this president?

Posted by: AkCoyote | August 6, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Believing in conspiracy theories is no excuse to let your fellow soldiers down. Anyone in the service will tell you nothing is worse than letting your soldiers down, especially officers (good officers at least). Even if you hate the President, your loyalty to the people you serve with should trumph all, and clearly this guy is letting his political beliefs trumph his loyalty to his men and women. You're a disgrace to the service.

Posted by: sicksidvt | August 6, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Dear Professor Wright BSU,

Don't you mean 'refudiate'?

Posted by: MTgrassland | August 6, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse
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um... if that is a joke, I didn't get it. Please provide context. 'Refudiate' isn't a word.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | August 6, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

This traitor should be hanged. Making excuses because he's terrified to deploy... Shame on him.

Posted by: blazertaco | August 6, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

So much for higher education. Lock him up for disobeying a lawful order.

Posted by: jckdoors | August 6, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Lock the birther coward in the brig and throw away the key. I thought you had to have a brain to make Lt. Col. Guess I was wrong.

Posted by: janouzpoha | August 6, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Lock the birther coward in the brig and throw away the key. I thought you had to have a brain to make Lt. Col. Guess I was wrong.

Posted by: janouzpoha | August 6, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Mike Huckabe asked a brilliant question, when he was asked about Obama's birth in the U.S. He asked the reporter/interviewer back, if there is a doubt, don't you think Hillary Clinton & John McCain would have verified it & brought it out? The "birthers" do it because the president is a black guy.

Posted by: sarvenk63 | August 6, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Mike Huckabe asked a brilliant question, when he was asked about Obama's birth in the U.S. He asked the reporter/interviewer back, if there is a doubt, don't you think Hillary Clinton & John McCain would have verified it & brought it out? The "birthers" do it because the president is a black guy.

Posted by: sarvenk63 | August 6, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Good grief. I certainly would not want this gullible idiot being my doctor. Did he rank 49th out of 50 in his graduating class?

Now, now one should blame the Republicans for this guy being nuts. It doesn't matter how many times, often or much a few fools distort, lie, misstate, dissemble, rant, throw smoke, throw dirt, conceal, and deceive.

Each person is responsible for discerning the truth, even amidst the ever increasing volume of spew.

Anything to win, folks.

Posted by: amelia45 | August 6, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Dear Professor Wright BSU,

Don't you mean 'refudiate'?

Posted by: MTgrassland | August 6, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Has Terrence Lakin also been refusing to cash his checks since Obama took office?

The governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, is a Republican. If anyone was going to refute Obama's citizenship it would be her.

This guy just doesn't want to be deployed and he's making excuses.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | August 6, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

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