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Harry Reid weighs in on N.Y. mosque: It 'should be built someplace else'

By Karen Tumulty
Now that President Obama has addressed and amplified the issue, the political debate over the construction of a mosque near Ground Zero is being felt far from Lower Manhattan, in political races across the country.

But candidates could find it difficult to straddle the issue, as Obama did, by expressing their support for religious freedom while refusing to take a stand on the construction of the Islamic center.

(Gerson: Obama did the right thing)

The latest to weigh in: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D), who is battling to keep his seat in Nevada.

In a statement issued by his spokesman, Jim Manley, Reid came out against the building of the Islamic center.

(Plum Line: How can Reid oppose the mosque?)

"The First Amendment protects freedom of religion," Manley wrote in an e-mail. "Senator Reid respects that, but thinks that the mosque should be built someplace else."

He added: "If the Republicans are being sincere, they would help us pass this long overdue bill to help the first responders whose health and livelihoods have been devastated because of their bravery on 9/11, rather than continuing to block this much-needed legislation."

(Photos of the downtown Manhattan site)

Reid issued the statement after the campaign of his Republican opponent in the election, Sharron Angle, demanded that he take a position.

"As the Majority Leader, Harry Reid is usually President Obama's mouthpiece in the U.S. Senate, and yet he remains silent on this issue," Angle communications director Jarrod Agen said. "Reid has a responsibility to stand up and say no to the mosque at Ground Zero or once again side with President Obama -- this time against the families of 9/11 victims. America is waiting."

By Washington Post Editor  |  August 16, 2010; 3:20 PM ET
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Comments

So now Obama believes in the Constitution? Will he now rule within the confines of the Constitution? The Constitution was written to protect all Americans regardless of what religion they belong to.

Posted by: yvonne3 | August 18, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Uh, because he's stupid?

Posted by: georges2 | August 18, 2010 2:51 AM | Report abuse

For Keatonmac, ISLAM is NOT at War with America. Fanatical Terrorists are at War with America. It was Arabs and Yemenis who attacked the World Trade Center. Where is condemnation for them? The Religion is NOT the enemy. Fanaticism, ignorance and fear IS! The regressive Republi-WON'T Party of NO! LOVES to fan the flames of ignorance, fear and malcontent. THEY are the true enemies of Americans. They need only look in the mirror to see the face of TERRORISM.

Posted by: billnbillieskid | August 17, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

If you believe in and UPHOLD the Constitution of the United States of America, Americans have EVERY RIGHT to build their Mosque/Community Center on their OWN property no matter how near or far from "ground zero" it may be. Either you believe in the sanctity of Constitutional Law or you don't. NO ONE has a right to disparage or prevent Muslim Americans from building on their own land. All the B.S. from the regressive, right-wing Republi-WON'T Nut Jobs doesn't change anything. They will REMAIN regressive, right-wing Republi-WON'T nut jobs till they die. The Constitution, on the other hand, has stood for 234 years. It has weathered worse storms than THIS Tempest in a Teapot thrown by "Tea Partiers" and Mad hatters". It will, God, Allah, Jahweh, Buddha, Great Spirit, or WHO-EVER willing, another 234! Get OVER it, Nut Jobs, you can't have it six ways from Sunday!. Constitution-YES, Nut Jobs- NO!

Posted by: billnbillieskid | August 17, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm amused that so many "good" Americans who have never lived in Manhattan, and who on every occasion speak badly of New York City feel they have such a stake in this controversy. Don't Christian bigots have enough minorities to torment in their own neighborhoods ?

Posted by: tobeimean | August 17, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

One thing is for sure.

Republicans must from now on remain silent when the national anthem comes to "land of the free" (not if they have their way) and "home of the brave" (they are scared s___less of a little old mosque).

What a joke they really are...

Posted by: lafont1 | August 17, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Ground Zero is a National Site, not a local New York one.
If the Muslims had any care for the feelings of the great majority of the American people , they would move the mosque somewhere else.
But this is a "conquerers" mosque to mark out their territory the way they do when they build right over Churches and Temples.
As for Reid he reads the polls, and is trying to save his ass in a close election with Angle.
Reid has more money and loads of political experience on how to win elections. Contribute to Angle so we can get him out before he passes more fake Stimulus, more Obamacare, more FinReg, more National Debt, and the upcoming Card Check for the Unions, Cap and Trade to destroy our energy prices, and bails out all the unfunded Unioin Pensions for the Unions in California , New York and Illinois.

Posted by: joanz3 | August 17, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I'll say this once: THIS IS NOT A FREEDOM OF RELIGION ISSUE. This is an incitement issue.

We have freedom of speech in this country, but the courts have long decreed that inciting speech (example: shouting "fire" in a crowded theater) can be limited or at least subject to closer scrutiny. By comparison, building this mosque is not a matter of freedom of religion. It is an incitement to the people of New York.

If this were truly a freedom of religion issue, then prayer (of any kind) would be present in schools, which is not a separation of church and state (schools in this country are local, not national, but that argument has been twisted as well). Finally, people are forgetting that Islam is AT WAR with the West -- not just us, but ALL Western societies. France is under assault from within; Islamic assassins have attacked Western cartoonists, political thinkers, and the like merely for exercising their right to expression in their own lands. Islam does not recognize the rights of "infidels" to practice in their own countries. All belong to Allah, and to criticize is to put your own life at risk.

As for the belief that "Terrorists are not a true depiction of Islam", I'll believe that when sovereign Muslim governments bring terrorist groups like Hamas, al Queda, etc. to justice, and stop giving them funding, support, shelter within their borders, weapons, et cetera. The fact that established Islamic governments do not condemn or take action on terrorists operating within their lands (and I mean you, Syria, Iran, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia, along with Yemen, the United Arab Emerates, etc.) tells me that they sanction these actions, which are clearly spelled out in Quaranic verses as being acceptable, so long as they are conducted against 'infidels'. Subtle support of a terrorist's agenda is the same as open support.

I will believe that Islam is a tolerant religion when Islamic world leaders bring their own kind to justice for the murder and destruction of Western people and property. Until that happens, I remain skeptical of Islam as a religion of anything other than genocide.

Posted by: keatonmac | August 17, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

It seems you liberals are such children: every teenager knows the muslims have a right to build mosque in that spot. Even Obama knows it. Stop stating the obvious.

This is a question of sensitivities and wisdom. Almost two thirds of the people perceive this mosque as a victory symbol for Islam, and for you to disrespect such opinions is being closed minded. These people will be insulted and angry if it is built there; they are saying to the democratic leaders: go ahead, do it, at your own risk - we will have our own victory in november, and it won't be a symbol.

But seriously and calmly, how can the liberals berate and belittle the feelings and opinions of those who do not want the mosque there? What does it say about the left?

Posted by: rimantas1 | August 17, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

It seems you liberals are such children: every teenager knows the muslims have a right to build mosque in that spot. Even Obama knows it. Stop stating the obvious.

This is a question of sensitivities and wisdom. Almost two thirds of the people perceive this mosque as a victory symbol for Islam, and for you to disrespect such opinions is being closed minded. These people will be insulted and angry if it is built there; they are saying to the democratic leaders: go ahead, do it, at your own risk - we will have our own victory in november, and it won't be a symbol.

But seriously and calmly, how can the liberals berate and belittle the feelings and opinions of those who do not want the mosque there? What does it say about the left?

Posted by: rimantas1 | August 17, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

It seems you liberals are such children: every teenager knows the muslims have a right to build mosque in that spot. Even Obama knows it. Stop stating the obvious.

This is a question of sensitivities and wisdom. Almost two thirds of the people perceive this mosque as a victory symbol for Islam, and for you to disrespect such opinions is being closed minded. These people will be insulted and angry if it is built there; they are saying to the democratic leaders: go ahead, do it, at your own risk - we will have our own victory in november, and it won't be a symbol.

But seriously and calmly, how can the liberals berate and belittle the feelings and opinions of those who do not want the mosque there? What does it say about the left?

Posted by: rimantas1 | August 17, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Buried on page A3 of Tuesday’s Oregonian was an article that should put the kibosh on all the furor over the proposed building of a Muslim community center near Ground Zero. It revealed that a federal court has stricken down Missouri’s laws aimed at keeping those “good Christians” of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, KS, from creating a shameful spectacle at the graveside services for soldiers killed in Iraq or Afghanistan. They contend that God punished them with death because the U.S. is tolerating homosexuality.

If Constitutionally guaranteed “freedom of speech” extends to allowing these lunatics to behave disgracefully towards those who have fallen in battle (theoretically to protect that and our other freedoms according to the warmongers) and give added distress to their bereft loved ones, then just exactly how can anyone object to the Muslim center on the basis of “sensitivity” or “appropriateness”? If Christians are the ones degrading both the memory of the heroic dead and the sanctity some hold towards their graves, that’s supposed to be all right apparently.

The bottom line is that our Constitution, in protecting the rights of the sane, has, by necessity, to protect the rights of the insane as well, and mere opinion is irrelevant. My “irrelevant” opinion is that erecting a Muslim community center right where Muslims live and have lived for many years peacefully and without incident in New York can’t come anywhere close to matching the chutzpah of those graveyard protesters.


Posted by: momsablogger | August 17, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

This seems to be a pretty simple matter of opposing ideas of taste. By right, [determined by law] the building of this facility is permitted. The area isn't zoned against it either. By good taste [determined by the majority of the people in the area] it is not wanted there. Unfortunately, law often trumps taste, as we have seen in cases of applied eminent domain property grabs, and cases similar to this one in other places. Outside of another more favorably seen group buying the property, they have the law behind them.

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Posted by: jaydenro17 | August 17, 2010 3:55 AM | Report abuse

There is a big tadoo about building a mosque a few blocks from ground zero - the Christian right's opposition is just another way for the haters to perpetuate fear and hate rather than tolerance and understanding (despite their doctrine) - never mind their all the tied to Abraham.

What a great way for someone from Iowa (or somewhere) to come and see firsthand how similar the fashions of a mosque are to Christianity and the shared history ... while honoring the 9/11 memorial - as if no Muslims were working in the towers or died that day... offensive indeed

How a holy site could be more offensive than building a Starbucks on the site is bizarre to me... so we can worship capitalism above all us - but no religious and spiritual tolerance or diversity...

just hurts my heart...

Posted by: alimech | August 17, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Seldom has Harry Redi paid any attention to the voice of his constituents. But while he is clearly the dumbest Senator in the bunch, he is not crazy. So knowing full well how much Americans hate the idea of a mosque near ground zero -- not to mention the views of the lead cleric -- he watched Obama butcher the issue, which was his "teachable moment". The first time Harry Reid has said anything I agree with. Too bad he said it for pure political cover. He is a dolt, filled with an idiotic view of the world and American business. This statement would justifiably be viewed as a mistake under normal circumstances, because he always gets it wrong. However, it does prove that he is not as big a fool as Obama.......not quite, but close.

Posted by: buggerianpaisley1 | August 17, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

The first intelligent thing Harry has said in years. He must be running for reelection.

Posted by: Jaime4 | August 16, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

didn't harry just say: "how can any hispanic be a republican?" how can any jew be a democrat? I spent most of last summer in israel. they don't like liberals for obvious reasons. don't be too surprised if they destroy the iranian nuclear facility. the saudis have cleared israel to pass through their air space... the enemy of my enemy is my friend. you libs just don't have anyone's back. you all think you're boned like saints but you have the consciousness of a snake.
BOC

Posted by: RAIDERS80 | August 16, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

didn't harry just say: "how can any hispanic be a republican?" how can any jew be a democrat? I spent most of last summer in israel. they don't like liberals for obvious reasons. don't be too surprised if they destroy the iranian nuclear facility. the saudis have cleared israel to pass through their air space... the enemy of my enemy is my friend. you libs just don't have anyone's back. you all think you're boned like saints but you have the consciousness of a snake.
BOC

Posted by: RAIDERS80 | August 16, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

didn't harry just say: "how can any hispanic be a republican?" how can any jew be a democrat? I spent most of last summer in israel. they don't like liberals for obvious reasons. don't be too surprised if they destroy the iranian nuclear facility. the saudis have cleared israel to pass through their air space... the enemy of my enemy is my friend. you libs just don't have anyone's back. you all think you're boned like saints but you have the consciousness of a snake.
BOC

Posted by: RAIDERS80 | August 16, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm curious about how many of the respondents know anything about New York City? It has always been, and is currently, a place full of different immigrant groups, nationalities, and religions. Take any subway car, and you're amongst dozens of foreign born nationals. If you're a New Yorker, it's no big deal.

I'd say let Muslims build a mosque if they wish because that's the kind of tolerance that has made our city and country great. There's plenty of religious intolerance in the Middle East where a Christian church or a Jewish synagogue would not be welcome anywhere. We have a better idea, and that's freedom of religion that's enshrined in our Constitution.

In a similar mode, the Pentagon allows a mosque within its walls, right near one of the 9/11 bombing sites. Those who pray there are dedicated soldiers in the U.S. military who understand their role in defending our nations's security while also enjoying religious freedom. New York City can do the same.

Posted by: doheir | August 16, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

It is easy to allow emotions to guide the decision,

supporting the Constitution isn't always easy...nor is is always popular...

Posted by: barbee2 | August 16, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

It is easy to allow emotions to guide the decision,

supporting the Constitution isn't always easy...nor is is always popular...

Posted by: barbee2 | August 16, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

The Pilgrims came to this country to escape religious persecution. Muslims in this country are now being denied rights due to their religion. My ancestor who was of Scottish and British descent spent 2 weeks in the stockades of Boston because he did not agree with Puriton values. It is not up to any politician to change the values of the Constitution because it fits popular opinion during election season. This entire issue was manufactured as a divisive political issue for election day. The of the proposed "mosque" location is a few blocks from Ground Zero and was never part of the WTC complex. It is more of a Muslim community center than a mosque. How did politics in this country become such a cespool of lies and exaggerations? Anyone who puts this issue into their campaign platform talking sideways and is not to be trusted.

Posted by: mjoy | August 16, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

The "YES" decision was already made by Republican Mayor Bloomburg several days ago but thanks to Faux News and some other repubs this has become Obama's fault. Obama made no decision but gave an opinion based on his promise to represent all Americans and not just the elite. His statement was correct as he said he questioned the wisdom of the site but not the right to build there.

Posted by: SWAMPYPD | August 16, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA - "The Manchurian Candidate", sent in to America by Muslim extremists to wipe out our economy from within - genius.

Reid
- "Obama Who?"
- "Of course I read the Health Care Spending Bill"
- "Water, Water ... Mmm - Nope"
- "You say Rangel, huh ... Mmm"

Posted by: highkey11 | August 16, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

What the American citizen needs is a tough class in Civics.

Ground zero (what a dumb name) needs to be converted to a parking lot for mosque visitors. And a free parking lot to.

Interesting how Harry would rather trash the First Amendment than lose his seat. Hopefully, it will be good buy Harry.

Posted by: Maddogg | August 16, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

If this is the muslim way of building bridges with the US, I would hate to see them when they are mad. Oh wait, 9/11, Christmas day shoe and underwear bombers, threatening to kill South Park cartoon people, psycho muslim MD/major gunning down fellow soldiers, Time Sq bomb attempt, etc,etc. They have done wonderful things in Europe too.

Posted by: jm125 | August 16, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

If we wanted to build a museum dedicated to the millions upon millions upon millions of the victims throughout history of mass-murder, genocide and atrocity inspired by superstition and nonsense called "religion", would that be OK?

Posted by: andrew23boyle | August 16, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how anyone of Muslim heritage could vote for Reid, OK? Do I need to say more?

Posted by: CharlesMcKay1 | August 16, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Yo Harry! There is a Lutheran Church down the street from me in this predominantly Catholic area. Can you please tell the Lutherans to "BUG OUT" now!

Posted by: Maddogg | August 16, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

There is a church 118 yards from the Oklahoma City Bombing site. There is a synagogue 1,038 yards from Deir Yassin. There's a mosque IN the Pentagon. And, if they so choose, there should be a mosque 200 yards from Ground Zero.

Posted by: last1done | August 16, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

There is a church 118 yards from the Oklahoma City Bombing site. There is a synagogue 1,038 yards from Deir Yassin. There's a mosque IN the Pentagon. And, if they so choose, there should be a mosque 200 yards from Ground Zero.

Posted by: last1done | August 16, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey Harry, you better give Eugene Robinson a call. He's calling you a right wing pandering Republican full of Lies, distortions, jingoism, xenophobia...etc.
Of course the Democrat Mayor Patterson better do the same...

Posted by: jblast2000 | August 16, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how anyone of Muslim heritage could vote for Reid, OK? Do I need to say more?

Posted by: CharlesMcKay1 | August 16, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey Harry, you better give Eugene Robinson a call. He's calling you a right wing pandering Republican full of Lies, distortions, jingoism, xenophobia...etc.
Of course the Democrat Mayor Patterson better do the same...

Posted by: jblast2000 | August 16, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

There is a church 118 yards from the Oklahoma City Bombing site. There is a synagogue 1,038 yards from Deir Yassin. There's a mosque IN the Pentagon. And, if they so choose, there should be a mosque 200 yards from Ground Zero.

Posted by: last1done | August 16, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how anyone of Muslim heritage could vote for Reid, OK? Do I need to say more?

Posted by: CharlesMcKay1 | August 16, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey Harry, you better give Eugene Robinson a call. He's calling you a right wing pandering Republican full of Lies, distortions, jingoism, xenophobia...etc.
Of course the Democrat Mayor Patterson better do the same...

Posted by: jblast2000 | August 16, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

That ends it for Reid - any chance he had of retaining his seat is now officially gone. He really had no choice because itf he backs Obama on this one, he is finished, but Angle skillfully attacked him early demanding where he stood on this issue and he blinked. It took him days to respond and only after he saw poll numbers....and everyone knows this. This race was a toos-up, no more as Angle now cruises to victory and a GOP majority in the Senate to accompany the GOP majority in the House after teh midterms.

Posted by: Realist201 | August 16, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey Harry, you better give Eugene Robinson a call. He's calling you a right wing pandering Republican full of Lies, distortions, jingoism, xenophobia...etc.
Of course the Democrat Mayor Patterson better do the same...

Posted by: jblast2000 | August 16, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Come November 3rd when Reid wins he will then say he is for building it there. This is just an election ploy. LOL

Posted by: usmc1969 | August 16, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

If all you liberals are OK with the mosque's proposed location, then it is safe to assume you'd be OK with it being built atop the actual World Trade Center site?

Posted by: dandean | August 16, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Surely the crack-pot left will now give Reid a sample of the invective they are so good at. With the left invective takes the place of clear-headed argumentation. "Bigoted, racist, intolerant" are good words to begin the leftist case against Reid with.

Posted by: mhr614 | August 16, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Surely the crack-pot left will now give Reid a sample of the invective they are so good at. With the left invective takes the place of clear-headed argumentation. "Bigoted, racist, intolerant" are good words to begin the leftist case against Reid with.

Posted by: mhr614 | August 16, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree with Senator Reid. The planners of the mosque should find another place- one less sensitive to the American people, especially to those who have lost loved ones on 9/11/2001.

Posted by: Petradom737 | August 16, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree with Senator Reid. The planners of the mosque should find another place- one less sensitive to the American people, especially to those who have lost loved ones on 9/11/2001.

Posted by: Petradom737 | August 16, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Can someone in this country please explain to me why "liberals" call themselves "liberal?" The liberals in this country remind me more of Fascists than anyone who could be considered "liberal." A liberal accepts all sides, all opinions, all groups, ALL, get it, ALL - not just one very narrow viewpoint. Even the conservatives in the country are more "liberal" than the Fascist Democrats!

Posted by: georges2 | August 16, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree with Senator Harry Reid that the mosque be built elsewhere- not at ground zero which is considered a sacred and sensitive area. If such be the case the City of New York (and the American people) would not deny the Islamic people to build their mosque for worship. Except that the planners of mosque should find another place for their building- one that is much less sensitive to Americans, especially those who have lost loved ones on September 11, 2001.

Posted by: Petradom737 | August 16, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic Party is in full collapse mode now - Obama sides with the terrorists, Reid says he's wrong and the voters want both of them gone. This is a political party in total disarray.

Posted by: Realist201 | August 16, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

andrew23boyle:We don't need to agree with the way people use their rights but we must ALWAYS defend the rights themselves. It is in securing the rights of our fellow citizens that we best secure our own.

- here the muslims are just using there rights. If you really want to take a step above, then you put yr own rights aside and respect someone else's feelings.Thats how we get along. Its not all about rights, its being sensitive to others regardless of yr own rights.

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Thanks for the comments but I'm not sure if you're addressing me or just making a general point?

Assuming you're criticizing me, please read my post more closely. I said that while they have the RIGHT to do so, I wish they wouldn't build it. I wish, (and I think you'd agree), that they would drop the project in deference to peoples' feelings and I would love it if they did. Nothing at this point will convince me this project has anything to do with "healing" or "bridging cultural gaps" or any of that other nonsense being used to justify it. If THOSE were in fact the goal of the Mosque, its authors would have realized by now that building the Mosque is counter-productive to that goal and have given it up. Like I said, their persistence makes me question their motives and I am not at all impressed with them or the apologists for their BEHAVIOR (as opposed to their rights) on the left.

But citizens' rights ALWAYS take precedent to over the citizenry's feelings, no matter the depth of those feelings or the unpopularity of the way in which the rights are being used. Otherwise, one has mob rule, not a Republic.

If you were just piggy-backing, sorry to have taken it as criticism. Either way, thanks for being civil and presenting your points in a rational fashion. Have a great night!

Posted by: andrew23boyle | August 16, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Here is what I simply CANNOT understand. Obama meets with the King of Saudi Arabia and he bows in deference to him, having refused to wear a simple American flag lapel pin as if it were a symbol of jingoism. Yet Saudi Arabia is as close to a true "Apartheid" state as you can get today. No Jews allowed in. No Bibles permitted. No other religion that STRICT Islam allowed. No men and women permitted to work closely together. Homosexuals periodically executed. A blind eye often turned to "honor killings." Repression of women. And, to top it off, they even have "Muslim Only" roads. Fast forward and Obama had no comment to those who proposed this monstrous project 600 feet from a graveyard of Islamic terror. He couldn't speak up for the victims, their friends and family, for the 1000+ people whose bodies were never found, incinerated by jet fuel. Yet he had NO problem publicly thrashing Israel for having the audacity of allowing their very own citizens from building in their own capital, Jerusalem. I speak of East Jerusalem (which he would like to carve up). Has this "President" no feeling whatsoever regarding the wishes of the vast, vast majority of family members and friends of survivors who are livid that this symbol of Islamic Power is to be planted next door to the trophy of Radical Islam? For that is what it is--and if you merely look back at Islamic history, you can name mosque after mosque after mosque that has been constructed following an Islamic conquest of a territory. I have no words to describe the emptiness I feel in Obama's comment on this construction (which will likely be built by Saudi money). That he questions "the wisdom" of the choice of site is really evading the obvious--the concerted plan of those involved in this scheme to raise the profile of Islam. It is NOT a mere "religion," but a supremacist and expansionist socio-political ideology which runs COUNTER to our Constitution even, and which shows virtually no respect for other faiths or, for that matter, of individual human conscience. I am not a bigot, but I merely listen to the agenda of Muslim clerics and to those (even native born) Muslims who have been brought to trial for both successful and unsuccessful mass murder attacks on citizens of numerous democratic nations throughout the world. All I can say is, shame Obama. Shame. This is NOT about freedom of religion whatsoever. It is about an agenda to gradually Islamize America and, in fact, the West in general by degrading democracies over a long period of time. I am not a conspiracy theorist--I merely repeat what fundamentalist, violent Muslims speak of today.

Posted by: marat1 | August 16, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Reid's feelings do not matter. People are permitted to build whatever religious monuments they wish, provided they meet zoning requirements. There is a role for government in such matters--to ensure as best as possible that the planned structure meets zoning and safety requirements and to attempt to persuade, not require, but persuade appropriate names and other small details. The latter was taken care of when the Mosque was renamed the Park51 Mosque, at least for most of us. There simply can be no objection to this structure. In fact, given that outreach has been made by the Muslims who wish to build it to the other religions in the community, it is appropriate to celebrate its creation. For one thing, it looks like a lot of jobs will be created.

Posted by: Martial | August 16, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Harry has just shown himself for the politcally expeident pig he really is. I'm a liberal, but this pig has to go.

Posted by: TRACIETHEDOLPHIN | August 16, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are absolutely worthless.

Posted by: camera_eye_11 | August 16, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are absolutely worthless.

Posted by: camera_eye_11 | August 16, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are absolutely worthless.

Posted by: camera_eye_11 | August 16, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Reid only did this because Angle beat him to it.

He recognizes that she is probably going to clean his clock, so he is taking no chances.

Reid doesn't care about muslims - or Americans - at all, but he does adore the idea of not working for a living.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | August 16, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

andrew23boyle:We don't need to agree with the way people use their rights but we must ALWAYS defend the rights themselves. It is in securing the rights of our fellow citizens that we best secure our own.

- here the muslims are just using there rights. If you really want to take a step above, then you put yr own rights aside and respect someone else's feelings.Thats how we get along. Its not all about rights, its being sensitive to others regardless of yr own rights.

Posted by: snapplecat07 | August 16, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't think they should build a Mosque there if only because it will be hurtful to at least some of those who lost people on 9/11. I'm not saying that these victims are necessarily right to be so hurt or that the people who are building the Mosque are doing so in an attempt to hurt them but when it comes to something like this, it seems to me that the right thing to do would be to defer to the feelings of the victims' families even if one thinks those feelings misguided. I think that their persistance in the face of the public outcry is classless and divisive and it makes me question their motives, especially since those motives are ostensibly "healing" and "outreach". One need not make a political point at the cost of emotionally devastating people who've already suffered plenty.

That I don't think that they SHOULD build it, however, has no bearing on their RIGHT to do so. They ABSOLUTELY DO have the RIGHT to build it and the government has NO business telling people where they can worship or how! I do and will continue to encourage these people to drop their plans of their own accord and I find their persistence more disturbing with each passing day but, if push comes to shove, they have the RIGHT to build a Mosque if they must and I will support their RIGHTS over my feelings!

Every day, all over this country, people use their rights in ways with which I disagree. People say things I think are untrue, illogical or hateful, people vote for criminal idjits and naive parvenus, people worship gods that I think exist only in their imaginations and so on. Others, I'm sure, feel the same about me and at least some of what I believe.

We don't need to agree with the way people use their rights but we must ALWAYS defend the rights themselves. It is in securing the rights of our fellow citizens that we best secure our own. That's not "having it both ways"; that's the PRICE of living in a free-state and enjoying the rights that we have because our forebearers have been smart enough to defend them!

Posted by: andrew23boyle | August 16, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse


Reid is just saying this because there may be a few people in Nevada who will VOTE for him if they think that he can prevent the construction in NYC, but, more so because he thinks he'll GET MORE CAMPAIGN DONATIONS for himself from hither and yon.

Basicly, it's a play for MONEY.

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Posted by: notinvt | August 16, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Very disappointing from someone who should know better.

Posted by: mvl92147 | August 16, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I think Harry is pandering to get votes however, the terrorist win if we force them to move the mosque.

If Christ could forgive the very people who put Him on the cross when He said " Forgive them Father for they know not what they do." we too should forgive the terrorist because love wins. Evil cannot conquer love, but evil grows and increases with intensity through revenge!

Posted by: vos1956 | August 16, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse


Some idiot below wrote this at 8:19.....
"Remember, Muslims also died in 9/11, and I'm not talking about the hijackers. I mean the people who were in the twin towers and the Pentagon."

Hey, Idiot, if the Twin Towers and Pentagon had been Islamic Mosques in 2001, do you think that they would have been the TARGETS of the hijackers?

The fact that Muslims died on 911 is a meaningless tactic in attempt to deflect BLAME and RESPONSIBILITY for the attacks away from the MURDER/SUICIDE CULT known as Islam, ALL OF ISLAM, not just the members of the active jihadi portions. The rest of the Moslems SUPPORT the aggressors and that makes THEM the ENEMY TOO.

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Posted by: notinvt | August 16, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Prostitution has allways been a tool of survival for poor women.
When you turn on FOX News, listen to talk radio, you watch the money version of prostitution , selling their souls for a million dollar paycheck. You have to accept rich men have taken prostitution to a level women don't even understand.

Posted by: JillCalifornia | August 16, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Religion provides confused people with absolute guidance in an ambiguous world. You a thief? The Holy Book dictates that you shall lose your hands. There. It is settled. Some non-Muslim western nation invading your lands and polluting your women with inconvenient ideas? The Holy Book prescribes Holy War for that. Fly passenger jet aircraft into tall office buildings. There. It is settled. Of course, when dealing with the Holy Book, everything is a matter of interpretation. America may well not be trying to interfere with your 7th century habits. You simply got in the way of modern commerce. And we cannot stand for that.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | August 16, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

ClandestineBlaze ~ presumably you read some of the comments, but just in case you didn't, the NYT today put the lie to the argument that this particular site is "2 blocks away".

Turns out it's not.

The wheel assembly for one of the aircraft crashed through the roof.

Human juice and remains tore through the air sucked in behind this and other debris.

This building is part of the DEATH SITE ~ innocent human beings were killed here by Islamofascists.

What you need to do is apologize to all the people you've offended with this last week's worth of "2 blocks away" lie.

Then, go find a convenient spot and disappear.

Posted by: muawiyah | August 16, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Harry Reid is obviously pandering for votes. He epitomizes the spineless politician.

By the way, isn't this weakling a mormon?
He should know first hand about religious intolerance.

I am a Democrat and a liberal, and I'm disgusted by anyone that panders for votes.

It's time for Harry Reid to fade away.


Posted by: ethereal_reality | August 16, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

First Islam is a unique among religions; is a political and social ideology with a religious component. It should be treated as a foreign ideology much like we treated Communism.
Despite this we are not asking that this mosque not be built. There are over 200 mosques in New York City alone, most are built by Saudi Arabia which does not allow an infidel step foot in any of its holy cities let alone allow the building of a church anywhere on its subcontinent. We say build the thing, but somewhere else if for no other reason than to show some sensitivity to feelings of the families of those who were murdered there. This relocation would in the interest of the Muslim community: it deflects the spreading belief that a mosque on or near ground zero would be viewed by the enemies of this country as a victory monument to the 19 hijackers.

Posted by: abrahamhab1 | August 16, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse


If you think Islam is a RELIGION then you are ONE SICK PUPPY.

Islam is a CULT, meaning it is ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY intent upon ITSELF and PROMOTING ITSELF and denigrating INFIDELS.

Sure, there are CLUELESS DOPEY Moslems who THINK they are members of a religion. These are the lazy Moslems who HAVEN'T READ THE KORAN. Just because they THINK they are members of a simple 'religion' doesn't mean that they ARE. It DOES mean that they are victims of a delusion.

Sure, build the Obama 911 Victory Mosque at GZ. Enjoy knowing the Enemy regales at its imminent conquering of the entire Nation of the USA, not just NYC.

Most of our leaders fall all over themselves stating that Islam is a religion. Why? What characteristic of a modern religion does Islam resemble? Religions have a place in America, an important place. That place in not IN PLACE of the Government, which is what Islam INSISTS upon substituting for whatever is in it's way once it has ascended into the majority in any nation.

View this video of the IMMINENT DEFEAT of Europe, WITHOUT A SHOT........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

Demographics are numbers, cold hard facts......murder/suicide.......CULT.

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Posted by: notinvt | August 16, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

"It is in VERY poor taste for them to request to build the mosque there. It's a slap in the face to all the victim's of 9/11 and their families.

BUT, whether or not it's in good taste is not the law.

I do believe that the constitution needs to be "updated" along with many of the federal and state laws. This country is not the same one that was started and the needs of the people are not the same.

Posted by: Petals81 | August 16, 2010 7:54 PM"
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Ugh, where to being. First of all, it's not a mosque, it's a cultural rec center that has prayer services. Every time someone uses the word mosque to describe it, it's a slap in the face of those that actually bother to keep up with the news.

It's not being built on ground zero, either, but two city blocks away where an actual mosque already exists. Now that we've gotten that out of the way:

The constitution doesn't need to be "updated" because of one incident that you don't particularly like. It's this knee-jerk reaction that causes the constitution to get destroyed to begin with. Do you seriously want to tack an amendment to the constitution so that the government has any say in where people can build places of worship?

Would you like for the government to have the authority to tell a local church or synagogue that they cannot build in some location? Right now, local planning councils have the authority to either allow or disallow zoning, and they decided to allow for the cultural center to be built.

But would you trust politicians in the Federal government to actually "do the right thing" every time? You want a one-time amendment to disallow Muslims to build a cultural rec center two blocks away from ground zero. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way and you'll only be giving the government even more expansive powers.

Ugh. I don't even know why I am supporting religion. I'm an Atheist. But I do support the constitution, and support all religions to practice freely without being persecuted.

Remember, Muslims also died in 9/11, and I'm not talking about the hijackers. I mean the people who were in the twin towers and the Pentagon. (The Pentagon, by the way, has a prayer room for Muslims. Oh noes, the horror!)

Posted by: ClandestineBlaze | August 16, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think anyone would notice a strip club two blocks away from ground zero. "

There are several, closer than two blocks.

Posted by: james0tucson | August 16, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Senator Reid is 100% correct on the issue. Tolerence goes both ways. One only has to look at the middle East to see the harm caused by Islam. The lands were once dominated by Christians. If Muslims were so tolerent, where did all the Christians go? You dirt bags on the Left are without shame. Where there are Muslims there is always misery. The history is clear. They like most minorties in the world will always blame someone else for their plight. African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Arabic Americans are all victims. Liberals Suck!

Posted by: Cobra2 | August 16, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

History will prove a great leader - go here to learn why:

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/01/the_911_post.html

Posted by: coiaorguk | August 16, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Until, that is, the election is over.

Then, should he win, he will doubtlessly chide the victims and the families of 9/11 and militate for the building of the mosque.

Oh he is learning quickly from Obama...

Posted by: krankyman | August 16, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

They will say anything to get votes!

Posted by: tonyjm | August 16, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Our country continues its descent into chaos and Washington continues to major in the minors. See if the majority of these incumbents aren't re-elected in November. Sad.

Posted by: mocmao | August 16, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

More than 3000 people lost their lives to Islamic Terror on 9/11. Years later, people are STILL dying from the toxicity of the site. More than 1000 of the bodies of the victims have never been recovered--they were INCINERATED by jet fuel. The decision of Muslim groups to build anywhere near this sacred ground is nothing short of DESPICABLE in my opinion. The director of this project, moreover, is on record as a supporter of Hamas, a terrorist organization if ever there was one. Ah, but he speaks of this building as some kind of bizarre agend of "healing." He wants to "heal?" Let him revise the Koran, the blueprint for the worldwide epidemic today of Islamic Terror attacks throughout the world, extant in some 15 nations and with a body count of over 16,000 deaths since 9/11 and new count every single day on the front page of this and every paper. Unfortunately, "Islam" has been lumped as a religion like any other--but virtually EVERY scholar of Islam has pointed out that IT IS NOT. It is a Total socio-political system and an expansionist one with strict laws. In FACT, Islam is ALSO a Totalitarian ideology and I challenge anyone to deny this facet (and I do not speak with prejudice towards Muslims, per se). Clerics are granted the power to call for the death of "anyone who is deemed to be a threat to Islam." An Egyptian man and his family have just been condemned to DEATH by Egypt for the crime of CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY, not a unique sentence. Even choosing, of your own free will to LEAVE Islam are grounds for being condemned to death (you are branded an "apostate"). People...if THIS is not totalitarianism that directly opposes the U.S. Constitution and any respect for human individual conscience, WHAT IS??? Yet Muslims worldwide are SILENT. This Mosque MUST NOT be built here. America is large enough to put it in 100,000+ other places. This is a DESECRATION of morality, not healing but a WOUND to be inflicted on the thousands of living friends and family members of those victims. This has NOTHING to do with freedom of religion. Islamic regimes won't even allow a church to be built on their soil. The REAL agenda of those proposing this location is absolutely clear--to send a MESSAGE to the entire Islamic world. And that message is: "See? We Won." Disgusting.

Posted by: marat1 | August 16, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

bloommarko4 ~ what do you mean "without whining"?

My goodness, the right you are claiming trumps everybody else's rights, the First Amendment, also has this business about FREE SPEECH, so if I want to whine and you don't like it, you can go pound sand.

I don't think you understand any of this. The building is part of GROUND ZERO itself. Plane parts smacked into this building and smeared human body fluids and flesh on it, and dripped same onto the ground at the site.

It's part of the grave site itself.

People who think an Islamofascist symbol should be built in this place are beyond tasteless ~ they are without souls and feeling. They are numb to human existence.

Posted by: muawiyah | August 16, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

It's not entirely surprising that a spineless coward like Harry Reid would make a statement along these lines.

Even though the principle on this issue is absolutely clear -- religious liberty is part of the equation; collective punishment is another issue (these folks had absolutely NO involvement in the 9-11 attacks yet some people are trying to slander them by some tenuous association). Muslims account for less than 1 percent of the population in the U.S., so a political stand on this issue protecting the rights of an unpopular minority group requires more than a little political courage.

It's not entirely surprising either that the GOP would demagogue and nationalize this essentially local issue too. The political leadership of the GOP has absolutely no moral sense or conscience.

Posted by: JPRS | August 16, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Just to keep things in perspective in regards to the TYPE of "religion" some of you are defending. This appeared in today's New York Daily News-

"A man and woman who were accused of carrying on an adulterous affair in Afghanistan have been stoned to death.

The barbaric act is the latest in a string of archaic sentences handed down by the Taliban, which practices a strict adherence to Islamic law.

"Two people were stoned to death by Taliban in Mullah Quli village late yesterday," Mohammad Ayob, the governor of Imam Sahib district in Kunduz province, said on Monday, AFP reports.

The couple, both in their 20s, had their hands tied behind their backs and stood in a field as several people among 100 local villagers threw rocks at them until they died.

"The Taliban convicted both to stoning to death, some from the crowd started throwing stones at the couple," said Abdul Satar, a resident of the town, according to AFP.

The man, 28, was married, while the woman, 23, was engaged. The couple allegedly confessed to having had an affair with one another.

The Taliban, which routinely carried out such sentences during its rule of Afghanistan in the late 1990s, recently flogged and stoned to death a pregnant woman for allegedly committing adultery."

Just in case it didn't sink in the first time read this part again-

"The barbaric act is the latest in a string of archaic sentences handed down by the Taliban, which practices a strict adherence to ISLAMIC LAW."

This is not some love, peace, dove group of people we are talking about. They can say all they want about how they will be but the bottom line is it is how this "religion" operates. Funny how "mainstream" media buries stuff like this.

link- http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/08/16/2010-08-16_man_woman_stoned_to_death_by_villagers_in_afghanistan_for_adultery_taliban.html#ixzz0wobiDtnG

Posted by: franklinone | August 16, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Led by Reid, Democrat Self-Assination begins... atleast this time common sense is taking hold, even if Reid is one of the biggest dupes of our country.

Professional Liberals...the WaPo...so glad even Gibbs stated who YOU are...pay for play, professional leftists.

Let's see how you report things now that you have been thrown under the bus too.

Posted by: Accuracy | August 16, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

It is in VERY poor taste for them to request to build the mosque there. It's a slap in the face to all the victim's of 9/11 and their families.

BUT, whether or not it's in good taste is not the law.

I do believe that the constitution needs to be "updated" along with many of the federal and state laws. This country is not the same one that was started and the needs of the people are not the same.

Posted by: Petals81 | August 16, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

OMG, Harry Reid is a right-wing anti-constitution anti-islam right wing bigot like Newt Gingrich!!

Obamatrons: ALT+CTRL+DEL...BOOM!

Posted by: NoWeCant | August 16, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

It is in VERY poor taste for them to request to build the mosque there. It's a slap in the face to all the victim's of 9/11 and their families.

BUT, whether or not it's in good taste is not the law.

I do believe that the constitution needs to be "updated" along with many of the federal and state laws. This country is not the same one that was started and the needs of the people are not the same.

Posted by: Petals81 | August 16, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

President Obama, for all his strengths and shortcomings, at least had the guts to defend our Constitution and the American Dream. In this matter, I cannot say the same about his opponents

Judging by his amateurish attempt to escape from President Obama's correct declaration about the essential integrity of the United States Constitution, Senator Reid is incapable of weighing in on anything.

I hold no brief for Radical Islam and Radical Islamists, but I am ashamed that 'The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave' cannot see clear to accord its Muslim Citizens their legal and religious rights without whining.

By discouraging the fully legitimate building of Cordoba House, we have given the bin Ladens of this world a victory they do not deserve. In short, we have caved in to the terrorists!

Posted by: bloommarko4 | August 16, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Clearly Obama has more in common with Hamas than he does American people..

Posted by: wewintheylose | August 16, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

"Besides, how many blocks away is far enough for those who oppose the idea? 4 blocks? 10 blocks? Outside the city? Outside the state? When does it end?"

It ends where it begins: Nobody has established any legal mechanism by which Mr. Rauf may be denied his property rights. The government (NY or Federal) doesn't have this power, and if they did, you wouldn't trust them with it. I keep reading about "eminent domain" but that doesn't apply in this case for a whole bunch of reasons.

Posted by: james0tucson | August 16, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

We should all be ashamed at the fact that this discussion has gone on for so long.

No matter how you cut it-- this is bigotted rhetoric aimed at only one end. Its not good. What's next from the far right?

Again how many times do we have to say this; our religious freedon is a BASIC right-- It is not up for debate, is it? What's next? What other basic freedom will be threatened by the extreem right? Our Constitution is for eveyone with no exceptions no equivication.

Do our leaders in congress need to have remedial training to do their job. They swore and oath to defend the constitution. Are we to re-right the laws to suit our likes and dislikes. Our constituion may need to be updated, however it should INCREASE our liberties not take any away.

How many american muslims died for this country over the years in the Civil War, WWI, WWII Korea, Viet Nam, just to name a few? This is the thank you they get!

BaNaNA Republic here we come!

no thank you.

Posted by: rog1 | August 16, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

We should all be ashamed at the fact that this discussion has gone on for so long.

No matter how you cut it-- this is bigotted rhetoric aimed at only one end. Its not good. What's next from the far right?

Again how many times do we have to say this; our religious freedon is a BASIC right-- It is not up for debate, is it? What's next? What other basic freedom will be threatened by the extreem right? Our Constitution is for eveyone with no exceptions no equivication.

Do our leaders in congress need to have remedial training to do their job. They swore and oath to defend the constitution. Are we to re-right the laws to suit our likes and dislikes. Our constituion may need to be updated, however it should INCREASE our liberties not take any away.

How many american muslims died for this country over the years in the Civil War, WWI, WWII Korea, Viet Nam, just to name a few? This is the thank you they get!

BaNaNA Republic here we come!

no thank you.

Posted by: rog1 | August 16, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Harry, do you and Rush also get to decide who rents space on every floor of the planned freedom tower they are building? And who will knock on every door surrounding the WTC and make sure Harry and Rush approve of the occupants? Sad day for democracy and shame on you Harry.

Posted by: jonathanR | August 16, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Haaretz, the Israeli Daily says the Cordoba group changed their mind and won't build the Community Center afterall.

What will the new campaign issue be?

Posted by: MarkofLewiston1 | August 16, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

As a Democrat Harry Reid is right, Obama is wrong and the Mosque should not be built near ground zero. For too long we have been protecting Obama, he has failed the party. Last week the left put a boot to Obama ass. It's time the party dump Obama, he is unelectable in 2012, not one poll shows he could win, he could not even beat my dog in 2012. Hillary is the only answer, we should dump him now.

Posted by: Richie5 | August 16, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

As far as I'm concerned and millions more
Americans too,this damn Muslim Extremist
9-11 Muslim Victory Mosque must never be
allowed to be built and yes I lost 3 friends on 9-11 at the WTC as well.

The jerk who posted this is a liar or an idiot. Fareed Zakarias characterized Rauf as Osama Bin Laden's worst nightmare. The poster who posted this slander is my worst nightmare. Rauf is a fine American and whether there is any argument against the Mosque, to call it a damn Muslim Extremist 9-11 Muslim Victory Mosque is just part of the odious, un-American slander that is perpetrated by those following the Rush game plan and abetted by a press that refuses to remind us of what is true and what are American values, or at least what used to be American values. To anyone who spreads this tripe, I don't which is worse: that you are stupid enough to believe it or craven enough to spread it even though you know better. I am a Republican and I am ashamed of a party that tries to benefit from this propaganda. And much as I was disappointed in George Bush, at least he ahd the courage to say that we were not at war with Islam. More courage than has Harry Reid.

Posted by: richardshaker | August 16, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

We should all be ashamed at the fact that this discussion has gone on for so long.

No matter how you cut it-- this is bigotted rhetoric aimed at only one end. Its not good. What's next from the far right?

Again how many times do we have to say this; our religious freedon is a BASIC right-- It is not up for debate, is it? What's next? What other basic freedom will be threatened by the extreem right? Our Constitution is for eveyone with no exceptions no equivication.

Do our leaders in congress need to have remedial training to do their job. They swore and oath to defend the constitution. Are we to re-right the laws to suit our likes and dislikes. Our constituion may need to be updated, however it should INCREASE our liberties not take any away.

How many american muslims died for this country over the years in the Civil War, WWI, WWII Korea, Viet Nam, just to name a few? This is the thank you they get!

BaNaNA Republic here we come!

no thank you.

Posted by: rog1 | August 16, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

After all that badmouthing of Harry Reid, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck and Bill O'Reilly will have to kiss his...........................oh well, we all know what I just can't write it on WAPO. It turns out that Harry Reid was their man all this time.

Posted by: BOBSTERII | August 16, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmm! If Prince Harry is no longer taking Obama seriously, why should anyone else??

Posted by: wheeljc | August 16, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Just a few years ago the Supreme Court passed broad interpretations of the right to "Eminent Domain". I remember stories of private homes to small businesses forced to sell their holdings to the city for the better of the many. In New York the law is still on the books. The government of New york city should buy that property based on "Eminent Domain" since most New Yorkers are against the building of this Mosque near the ground zero of 9/11.

Posted by: rsbnola | August 16, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

"The First Amendment isn't the question here, folks. No one is denying a muslim's right to worship. The question is WHERE a mosque can be built. "

Ok, so assuming you own the property and have not broken any laws or violated any zoning restrictions or building codes, on what pretext do you stop the project? Be specific please.

Posted by: james0tucson | August 16, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic party is full of racist xenophobes, and the party is rotting from the top down.

Posted by: NoWayNotNow | August 16, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Reid triangulates a bit and denies the GOP the goad with which to whip the dimwits in the Fox News audience up into a wild eyed, frothing, mindless frenzy.

And in doing so he keeps the kook Sharron Angle far away from national office.

Keep up the good work Harry.

Posted by: Miss_Fedelm | August 16, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Aah, so Harry Reid is just another racist, xenophobe. Apparently the Democratic party is full of 'em.

Posted by: NoWayNotNow | August 16, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I think our entire nation -- especially self-serving politicians -- could use a better education on our U.S. Constitution.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/08/14/president-obama-celebrates-ramadan-white-house-iftar-dinner

I urge everyone to actually watch and listen to President Obama's speech and then comment. That's our trouble these days. We listen to the soundbites and the blabbers rather than forming opinions based on fact.

Posted by: joy2 | August 16, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

"On the prior Newt Gingrich thread, I provided several reasons why it is insensitive to build this mosque two blocks from the site of the deadliest foreign attack on U.S. soil."

How sensitive are all the titty bars and off-track-betting agents?

Posted by: james0tucson | August 16, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

One of the reasons Harry Reid will win in Nevada again, but still quit his job because somebody will make it imposible for him to work.
Why would he oppose Obama is beyond anything I believe, but its plain stupid to oppose mosque or any religious object anywhere in USA. Mosque doesn't represent terror nor church, synagogue, temple and all other places to pray to God.
Harry is doomed.

Posted by: BOBSTERII | August 16, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Let the First Christina/Catholic/Muslim/Jew who has not sinned in this country cast the first stone.....

Ah Jesus was right.....bunch of hypocrates disguised as humans in America now a days

Posted by: Roism007 | August 16, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Let the First Christina/Catholic/Muslim/Jew who has not sinned in this country cast the first stone.....

Ah Jesus was right.....bunch of hypocrates disguised as humans in America now a days

Posted by: Roism007 | August 16, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Let the First Christina/Catholic/Muslim/Jew who has not sinned in this country cast the first stone.....

Ah Jesus was right.....bunch of hypocrates disguised as humans in America now a days

Posted by: Roism007 | August 16, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Aaaaa HA ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa....

I love it.

Posted by: _buster | August 16, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Let the First Christina/Catholic/Muslim/Jew who has not sinned in this country cast the first stone.....

Ah Jesus was right.....bunch of hypocrates disguised as humans in America now a days

Posted by: Roism007 | August 16, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Probably a smart move by Reid. Now the GOP will have to go back to riling up the morons in the Fox News audience with horror stories about "Soshalism".

Posted by: Miss_Fedelm | August 16, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jabberwolff

I'm pretty sure the terrorists didn't cry out "praise Jesus" when they slammed the jets into the sides of the buildings.

If they had, building a church with a large cross down the street would be in equally bad taste. There would be equal disdain for bad taste and despicable narcissism that this Islamic group is showing now.
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What is bad taste is wanting to oppress people who are innocent.

In your mind, Al Qaeda attacked, Al Qaeda does indeed claim to follow a violent form jihadist Islam and they screamed "Allah" as the planes exploded. This is all true.

But your problem, and many others like you is you transfer your hatred toward Al Qaeda to Islam as a whole.

There is no other explanation for your behavior. In your mind, one bad church murdered therefor even a good version of that church is insulting. It's a crazy run-around of logic.

New York Muslims are not terrorists and they haven't hurt you or America.

They are not responsible for 9-11 and they follow a very very different religion from those who claim to have the same God which orders them to behead the western world.

Instead their interpretations are of peace and tolerance. They love America just like you and me and should be rewarded with our tolerance as well.

Your biggest beef with them is that they are being despicably insensitive to the feelings of their fellow New Yorkers.

You think that just because the terrorists screamed "Allah" that any other group that praises Allah is in bad taste, bad symbols on ground zero. Even if the two are as different as night and day.

The problem here is not New York's Muslims lack of sensitivity, it's the opponents lack of sensitivity of not being able to differentiate from cold blooded killers from flower-carrying lovers.

Again, and I've already said it dozens of times. Your prejudice is misplaced. You wish to oppress the innocent and obviously that is highly unfair.

Terrorists attacked New York, Al Qaeda Attacked, Terrorist physically took over airliners and flew them in a suicide mission of massive destruction and hate.

There God, was vengeful and insane.

The God of American Muslims is not the same God, even though they are spelled the same.

It is our responsibility to be smart enough to know the difference.

Posted by: yarbrougharts | August 16, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

The actions of the consummate politician,Harry Reid, denied a political wedge issue to Republicans without any downside risk to his political future.

Posted by: slim2 | August 16, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

The Justice Department has ended its six-year investigation into former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay and announced it will file no charges.

Posted by: nychap44 | August 16, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

sam38 writes:Ask the Masons or the Mormons what it's like to be a persecuted religion in the United States. I thought we had gotten past that more than 100 years ago. Don't bring back persecution based on religion.

- no sam, no one is persecuting muslims, if you want persecution, look at how islam treats woman or how islam treats christian churchs in the middle east. There are a gazillion mosques all over the US and a gazillion muslims practicing happily EVERYDAY , so please keep yr "the sky is falling hysteria" out of the argument. Muslims s/b sensitive to other beliefs instead of thumbing there nose at others like they do in the middle east.

Posted by: snapplecat07 | August 16, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse


This Just In!

New York Senator Chuck Schumer hasn't taken a stand on the mosque issue yet.

Posted by: geo82170 | August 16, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I just remembered--Reid's a Mormon! You'd think he'd be the last one to support government discrimination against one particular religion, since early Mormons were hunted down and forced to flee their homes. Denying building permits based solely on religion sends us down a slippery slope. Besides, how many blocks away is far enough for those who oppose the idea? 4 blocks? 10 blocks? Outside the city? Outside the state? When does it end?

Posted by: sam38 | August 16, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

it is obvious that Obama, however, has two different values for religious freedom: one for inside the US and one elsewhere in the world. he says it is ok for the mosque near WTC (constitutionally, a strong position- but politically, highly insensitive to families of Sept 11 attack and others harmed by the attack). but when it comes to protecting/defending religious freedom for those oppressed elsewhere in the world for exercising their religious beliefs- especially Christians in Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Afghanistan; and Jews, Bahai and others in Iran and elsewhere), Obama is strangely silent..so as not to offend the offending nations' rulers. All in all, human rights protection has taken a nosedive under Obama. Obama should develop his backbone in protecting religious rights and freedoms in nations that are truly oppressing their religious minorities. He should speak out forcefully about persons who are sentenced to die (such as by crucification) for those who try to convert Muslims to Christianity, as is the case even today in Sudan.

Posted by: RoguesPalace | August 16, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

deacon4:

Even the First Amendment has legitimate "time, place and manner" limitations. Look it up, if you don't know what they are.

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

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Examples of which might include shouting "Fire" in a crowded building, endangering the people therein, or showing inappropriate material to a child, or inciting a riot. The 14th amendment, however requires that the law apply equally to all people. You might, for example, be able to pass an ordinance that restricts any religious buildings in an area, but not one particular religion's building. Alternatively, you could pursue the legal status of Islam as a religion. That is unlikely to succeed, however.

Posted by: tweldy | August 16, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Yikes,NO,No this cannot be true,or did old
Dingy Harry Reid have a sudden brain attack
that he had guts enough to Just Say NO to
the new Inman Barack Hussein Obama Islamic
Cultural Center and Muslim 9-11 Victory Mosque here? But where the Hell is Reid's
GOP Counterpart Chinless Mitch McConnell on
this issue as well? Since even RINO Amnesty
John McCain got scared enough to oppose it!

As far as,I'm concerned and millions more
Americans too,this damn Muslim Extremist
9-11 Muslim Victory Mosque must never be
allowed to be built and yes I lost 3 friends on 9-11 at the WTC as well.

And It's high time every gutless coward in
our US Congress take and make public their
own stand on this issue or be voted out on
Election Days 2010 and 2012! And May Our
New Muslim In Chief Barack Hussein Obama
Rot In Hell For Demanding It Be Built!

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | August 16, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

The site of the former Burlington Coat Factory, future islamic center, is already being used to practice islam. Since last year, in fact. Politicians should stay out of religion and concentrate on important issues like jobs and the recovery.

An interesting take on islam and the mosque/islamic center:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-08-13/ground-zero-mosque/

Islam, so far, is classified as a religion, and as such has the right to worship where they so choose. The Burlington factory was probably the least expensive with the most exposure and not some sinister plan.

The courts and the people of New York City should have the final say in this matter, not Reid or Obama or any other politician.

Posted by: Chapringo | August 16, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

We cannot start granting or denying building permits to organizations based on what religion they belong to. If it goes against zoning or building or noise codes, those codes should be enforced. Aside from that, all legal organizations should be treated equally. Would you really want your own church or synagogue or club to be denied building space due to a wave of popular hostility toward your beliefs? Ask the Masons or the Mormons what it's like to be a persecuted religion in the United States. I thought we had gotten past that more than 100 years ago. Don't bring back persecution based on religion.

Posted by: sam38 | August 16, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

How bout this:
1. Congregations can build wherever it fits the zoning laws.
2. Clergy who break the law get arrested.
3. Same for everybody.

Posted by: HillWilliam | August 16, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Reid throwing crumbs in an election year...

Posted by: AJAX2 | August 16, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Typical of today's politicians. Perfectly willing to tear up the First Amendment, if it means he gets to keep his seat.
Doesn't matter which way he argues now, pro or con, it's clear he's a "buffet bird requiring rapid transit and aural landing".
That is, he's a self-serving bustard who needs to be thrown out on his ear, quick.

Posted by: blane1 | August 16, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Looks like old Searchlight Harry has been listening to the Dylan cd that his staff bought him for Christmas:
"....You don't need a weatherman-
to tell which way the wind blows..."

because if Harry did signal an ok for the mosque near WTC, he would sink about 19,000 points in the Nevada polls, and that drop would be too much to recover by early November. as it is, harry seems to have pulled off some sort of electoral recovery in the past 6 weeks, mostly due to the problems in his Repub. opponent. Not that Harry does not deserve a very well earned retirement as a senior citizen!

Posted by: RoguesPalace | August 16, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Reid's is an obviously politically expedient position; Obama's is obviously the Constitutionally correct position. Kind of startling that this even is a question. But thank God (whomever's yours may be) that we finally have a president who can assert conservative American values and freedoms and have a no questions (seriously) asked position publicly staked. All too often American values have been asserted for purposes of violating them. For once, we have a president brave enough to defend the Constitution rather than use it.

Posted by: seano1 | August 16, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Looks like old Searchlight Harry has been listening to the Dylan cd that his staff bought him for Christmas:
"....You don't need a weatherman-
to tell which way the wind blows..."

because if Harry did signal an ok for the mosque near WTC, he would sink about 19,000 points in the Nevada polls, and that drop would be too much to recover by early November. as it is, harry seems to have pulled off some sort of electoral recovery in the past 6 weeks, mostly due to the problems in his Repub. opponent. Not that Harry does not deserve a very well earned retirement as a senior citizen!

Posted by: RoguesPalace | August 16, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Of course. Sen. Reid is in bed with the hate-mongers and racists, who have money to give and votes to provide him.

Posted by: HillRat | August 16, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Of course. Sen. Reid is in bed with the hate-mongers and racists, who have money to give and vites to provide him.

Posted by: HillRat | August 16, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Senator Reid's gutlessness may cost him in the end, sad to say.

Here's a solution: impose a "gross receipts" tax on all newly built institutions, whether for profit or nonprofit (and without any discrimination)on the Island of Manhattan (or a smaller region if the law permits it) with permanent earmarking to support the development of the 9-11 memorial (whatever that's going to be) and other worthwhile efforts at reconciliation and better understanding and respect among all ethnic, religious, or neighborhood groups. That's part of what New York's all about, right?

Posted by: tmorgan2008 | August 16, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I am a Muslim and I know that I am a good person. And like 99.9999% of Muslims, I am not a terrorist. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks of me.

Posted by: stheday | August 16, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

deacon4:

Even the First Amendment has legitimate "time, place and manner" limitations. Look it up, if you don't know what they are.

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Don't tell me Reid wants it built at ground zero......

Posted by: marty12341 | August 16, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Angle "demanded" Reid make a statement about this? How about if we "demand" Angle actually address the voters here in Nevada and tell us WHICH one of the Social Security positions she took is the one she actually believes in? I think that's more important than this phony brou-ha-ha the Republicans have stirred up. Angle wants to "do away with" social security...er...she wants to "privatize" it...no, no...she wants to "personalize" it and now...she actually wants to SAVE it. Baloney...and so is all this hoopla over the mosque.

Posted by: blosmurph | August 16, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

You see how easily Liberals abandon their principles when they are threatened? Harry is throwing his President under the bus. Nice.

It is almost impossible not to hate politicians.
They earn our enmity every day.

Posted by: Opinionator | August 16, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Harry, Harry, Harry, it's what else that is in the bill, and limitations which are not in the bill that I object to. Very few people object to compensation for the first responders, and you know it. You just insist on filling the bill with garbage, so I wouldn't sign your bill, either.

Posted by: coffic | August 16, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

You see how easily a liberal abandons his principles when he is threatened by political exile?

Harry is scared, so he is throwing his President under the bus. You da Man, Harry! What a scumbag!

How can you not hate, I mean really hate politicians?
You can't. They earn our enmity every day of the week.

Posted by: Opinionator | August 16, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

You see how easily a liberal abandons his principles when he is threatened by political exile?

Harry is scared, so he is throwing his President under the bus. You da Man, Harry! What a scumbag!

How can you not hate, I mean really hate politicians?
You can't. They earn our enmity every day of the week.

Posted by: Opinionator | August 16, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Thats a great point.

Maybe Obama should stop putting his foot in his mouth and siding with only one portion of the 1st amendment while ignoring the other part that says we have every free right to voice our opinion against bad ideas.

Maybe he did this to avoid talking about the economy and loss of jobs that he is having more and more trouble trying to blame on Bush.

Oh and fannie and freddie back at bad practices again. And absolutely no regulation of it....

So yes making a speech about the Mosque to divert attention might have been intentional.

Posted by: jabberwolff | August 16, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

atc333:

Thank you!

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Just one question - would all this fuss be kicked up if it were a Christian church which wanted to build there? Let me hazard a guess that all of those who say that a mosque can't be allowed there because it is "sacred/hallowed ground" would have no trouble hallowing the ground further with a church. Just not a mosque. Possibly not a synagugue, either. So, what's free about "freedom of religion" if the angry majority gets to tell you when and where you can exercise it?

Posted by: deacon4 | August 16, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

In all seriousness, this is why I have to be an independent. There is endless self-serving inconsistency on the right and left and its completely alienating. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean there is a legal premise to prevent it from happening. I'll use examples from the right and left (such as they are):

* Guns - 2nd amendment, just because you don't like them, doesn't mean you can take them away from people.

* Torture - 8th amendment, just because you think there might be some chance that by torturing people you might be a bit safer doesn't mean you can do it.

* Abortion - There is no language in the Constitution that support this as a right. Sorry, I've read it, doesn't exist. No matter how much you think it should be a right, you'll need an amendment to make it so.

* Christianity - This is not a christian nation, it was founded on being a secular government to protect the government, the people, and religion itself. It doesn't matter how much denial you have.

I don't like the idea of building a mosque near the 9/11 site, hell, I don't like the idea of building any religious thing there. If ever there was a place to think rationally using facts and reason, this would be the place.

However, its about freedom. If they obey the law, own the property, and have their paperwork in order, they can build whatever crazy sky wizard house o worship they want. Of course, if it means that much to you, you also have the right to protest in public outside this place every day of week, thanks to the 1st amendment. Because, I might add, one thing the founders understood is that its often a good idea to let people solve their own problems without government intervention.

Posted by: tweldy | August 16, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Certainly, they have the right to proceed with their building, assuming the City does not block the work. This however, has nothing to do with freedom of religion. This is more about the arrogance of the organizers who will push ahead regardless of the distress it causes many otherwise open mined and sincerely moderate people. It is too soon, and too much for many of us who feel although they have the right to build their Mosque, they should build it elsewhere. Too many lives lost, too much anguish for the survivors, and at this point in time it comes as a slap in the face of those who have lost so much to a violent, uncontrollable faction of this very same religion who now are seemingly taking possession as Victor's of an area which was destroyed by a terrorist act of individuals claiming to be the "True Believers" of this same religion. Put it elsewhere in the city, not a stones throw from the site of the once great Twin Towers. If this "Noble and peace loving" Religion had any compassion for those who suffered and lost so much within the city, they would simply understand and not push forward simply because they can.

Posted by: atc333 | August 16, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

I do not like Harry Reid or Barak Obama. No matter what they or the politically correct elites think, Islam is not just a religion as we know it. Islam is also a militant, tyrannical political and legal system. Therefore it should not be covered under freedom of religion. Would we allow a religion that believes in human sacrifice to practice that in America? I think not. Most Islamic countries have Sharia law. Some of the reasons they give the death penalty to fellow Muslims are: a girl that speaks to a boy who is not a family member, adultery, homosexuality, being an apostate (leaving the Islamic religion), and many more. It takes four male witnesses before a woman can prove rape. In most Islamic countries the penalty for preaching Christianity is death. We should never cover Islam under freedom of religion. It is a primitive, cruel, barbaric belief and those that call themselves moderate are really practicing the religion. Just ask the highest ranked Islamic clerics on earth if they condemn Sharia law and the answer will be total silence. Even our closet Muslim president will not openly condemn Islamic terrorists nor even say those words. Neither will Eric Holder. No mosque or Muslims should be in the USA. Again, Islam is no more a religion than the Nazi movement was. Both believe their two chief missions to be world domination and the destruction of Jews.

Posted by: good_angel | August 16, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

MO the great pervert prophet, raped 7 year old girls and then called them "wife". I wipe my feet with the beards of all muslim terrorists.

Posted by: carlbatey | August 16, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

muawiyah
We did take a look have you?
It isnt miles away as some have blatantly lied about.

Posted by: jabberwolff | August 16, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Clawrence, we can believe some Saudi's were in on it, but to this day we have no idea who sent who. It would be like thinking Jack Ruby killed Kennedy. Well maybe he was in on it since he was connected, but, need it go on?
Your point is well taken but we are missing the bottom line. trooperkeeton.com

Posted by: trooperkeeton | August 16, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Mission drift. The Democrats need to focus on the pressing issues of the economy and job creation.

Posted by: hakafos44 | August 16, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

yarbrougharts:

I'm not "angry", nor am I a "fool", and none of that was a question to me. Moving right along . . .

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Islam did not attack Americans, Al Qaeda did.

You are making terribly foolish error of equating American Muslims to terrorists.

Of painting the whole of Islam as a violent ideology.
Posted by: yarbrougharts
"New York Muslims do not follow Al Qaeda's radical teachings, they are law abiding tax paying peace loving American citizens, and you still hold a prejudice against them and wish to oppress their rights.

They have done nothing to hurt you, your anger is totally misplaced.

Next fool..."

I'm pretty sure the terrorists didn't cry out "praise Jesus" when they slammed the jets into the sides of the buildings.

If they had, building a church with a large cross down the street would be in equally bad taste. There would be equal disdain for bad taste and despicable narcissism that this Islamic group is showing now.

Posted by: jabberwolff | August 16, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

washpost29 ~ point of order ~ GROUND ZERO is not exactly 2 blocks away.

Today the NYT (you know that merry band of Islamofascist supporters, right) said:

"On Sept. 11, the landing gear assembly of one of the planes used in the attack crashed through the roof of what was then a Burlington Coat Factory."

That kinda' means THIS BUILDING is also a piece of GROUND ZERO, and the proposed building on this site is of a piece with other hunks of Islamofascist triumphalist architecture plunked down here and there around the world

This thing couldn't be moved 150 feet without becoming unacceptable to the proponents ~ they are not seeking conciliation ~ they are sticking a finger in our eye, and apparently they are going to get to do that because NOBODY among the broadmasses of Leftwingtards who support this device understand where it is being located.

I'd suggest you take your "2 block" argument up with the NYT guys ~ they finally checked their maps.

Posted by: muawiyah | August 16, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

SIMPLE

First amendment right of religion.
also
First amendment right to voice opinion to move it somewhere else and stop being middle eastern jackasses!

Any questions for the hard of thinking?!

Posted by: jabberwolff | August 16, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

This is the same Harry Reid who took to the Senate floor in Oct, 1990 to decry Congressional siphoning of Social Security funds as "embezzlement" and "stealing."
He then went on to help steal $2.5 trillion of our surplus FICA payments, robbing us of our 'in the bank' retirement savings.
Duplicitous is, as duplicitous does.

Posted by: mtpeaks | August 16, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Careful Harry, this pandering may help you a little at the polls but your lord and master will toss you under the bus if you even think of faltering in the cause.

Posted by: FCNewt | August 16, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Stirring up a controversial issue and taking a popular stance so as to not lose your seat.

Don't you just LOVE politics... where were these people the rest of their term?

Absolutely pathetic.

Posted by: kogejoe | August 16, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Well free speech has been limited by having demonstrates roped off is some out of the way area. Why not dictate where the worshipers set up shop.Tk

Posted by: trooperkeeton | August 16, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Let me guess. Reid's opponent, Sharon Angle, is frothing at the mouth more than usual over the Ground Zero mosque.
Well, the lady is an idiot, but she does know how to play the opportunism card. Harry thus can't afford to give the Loon Princess too much of an advantage with yahoo voters in Nevada.

Posted by: Eureka1 | August 16, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: clawrence12

Because 2,750 brave souls died there on 9/11. Next question?
.......................................

Islam did not attack Americans, Al Qaeda did.

You are making terribly foolish error of equating American Muslims to terrorists.

Of painting the whole of Islam as a violent ideology.

New York Muslims do not follow Al Qaeda's radical teachings, they are law abiding tax paying peace loving American citizens, and you still hold a prejudice against them and wish to oppress their rights.

They have done nothing to hurt you, your anger is totally misplaced.

Next fool...

Posted by: yarbrougharts | August 16, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

in response to Lafont1: Review your history, post-civil war Republicans supported black churches: in fact the KKK murdered over 34,000 people over a 50 year period after the civil war....13,000 of them were white Republicans. Oh, and by the way check out the history of the KKK...it was just a simple sub-group branched off of ...I think you know them.......the Democrat Party. Post civil war, if you were anti slavery or a black American, you were a Republican.

2nd point I find it hilarious that the liberal left is crying "religious freedom" now in support of Muslims. When the Church has been attacked for years by liberals who define the Freedom of Religion Amendment as simply a separation of Church and State. How definitions can be manuvered into what one wants them to say........instead of what the founding fathers intended.

This is a simple act of common decency and respect for those who died on 9/11 The Muslim leaders should back down...be respectful......build their building elsewhere.

Posted by: chenfarm | August 16, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

How about Salt Lake City? I hear the town could use a little color.

Posted by: johnharris1 | August 16, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse


Reid may be pandering for votes, but he is right on this issue.

Posted by: chicago77 | August 16, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse


Harry Reid, build your whinibg anti-First Amendment cowardice and bigotry somewhere else, to a place that respects your kind of statist diktat.

Like North Korea.

Posted by: bloggersvilleusa | August 16, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

More Political Posturing BS...he's hoping people will really believe him. Never again!

Posted by: atthun | August 16, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

More Political Posturing BS...he's hoping people will really believe him. Never again!

Posted by: atthun | August 16, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

yarbrougharts:

Because 2,750 brave souls died there on 9/11. Next question?

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"It looks like Reid must have traded his principles"

Oh, years ago. Did you just notice?

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | August 16, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Reid is looking better by the day, especially since his opponent is one of the ultimate tea-nutjobs. Only fools expect significant change in November. Believing that voters want to end social security, ban abortion in every case, and revive prohibition, is like believing that citizens want another Bush economic collapse.

Posted by: revbookburn | August 16, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Few men have done more damage to this once great country than Harry Reid. Get rid of him.

Posted by: fury60 | August 16, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Now that Reid has come out and said "no."

He needs to explain why.

He's opened his own Pandora's box, a predictably lame move in his race against Angle...

Ried needs to face the law abiding New York Muslims and tell them why they should bow down to ugly prejudice and slink quietly away.

Posted by: yarbrougharts | August 16, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

AnitraWeb - Do you remember when Pres Clinton prematurely accused Muslims of the OKC Bombing. I do.

Posted by: AG1231 | August 16, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

The neighborhood doesn't mind, the mayor doesn't mind, the governor doesn't mind, the local preservation commission doesn't mind.

Posted by: dkp01 | August 16, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

====

The neighborhood DOES mind - and there is rumor that Mayor Michael Bloomberg will be tossing his hat in the ring to play with the bog boys in 2012.

There are over 100 mosques in NYC already ... and 1M + Muslim voters in NYC.

Of course the Mayor and Governor don't mind.

Posted by: asmith1 | August 16, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Why expect the same Senator that said "We can not win this war." to want to fight for any good cause.

Is it the right thing to do? Sure it is. But he will fight for very little.

I do think he needs some confidence. And spine.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | August 16, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I would pray for Harry to loose his election except the choice of Miss Sharon is truly frightening. Harry is one of the reasons the majority of us so dislike congress. He did not need to say this. He could have taken the high road and said we have more important things to concern ourselves with. But nope, the old man had to jump right in and play along with Newton, Mitch, and the mob. One of the top leaders of the US Government telling 1.7 billion Moslems around the world that America rejects them. Really brave of you, Harry. You do quaeda's work for them. Shame on you. You are no profile in courage.

Posted by: tarryh | August 16, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Why expect the same Senator that said "We can not win this war." to want to fight for any good cause.

Is it the right thing to do? Sure it is. But he will fight for very little.

I do think he needs some confidence. And spine.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | August 16, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Harry Reid is a spineless wimp. The radical right will hate him no matter what he does, so why try to mollify them?

This is not "a New York issue." There are demonstrations against mosques, or even Muslim community centers, all over America. It is all hate and fear of Muslims as the Other, being stirred up by demagogues. Even George W. Bush spoke against lumping all Muslims together. The Imam of the proposed NY center was recruited by the GWB administration to help them promote peace in the MidEast!

Posted by: AnitraWeb | August 16, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Harry Reid, never to be known as charasmatic, is an honest to goodness POS!

Posted by: FredCDobbs | August 16, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, washpost29, but my son lives in Chinatown (and we are going back there Friday). No one ever said the mosque was going to be right on the WTC site ("Ground Zero Mosque" is shorthand that even supporters used themselves).

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

LindaloveJones Are you talking about the great Harry Reid who lied and bribed during health care? He should be hanging out with Rangel and Waters. Birds of a feather do flock together. Reid cannot talk about his own accomplishments because there are none

Posted by: farmsnorton | August 16, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the liberals really have their panties in a wad. Having to defend one of the things they hate most - freedom of religion. HA! This is rich.

Posted by: AG1231 | August 16, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

It is known fact every time Muslims have declared victory over the enemy they have built a mosque and you can see this in Northern India ,they built a mosque called Quwate Islam in NEW DELHI at Qutub Minar, it was built at the site of temples which were destroyed Look at the Babri Mosque where they destroyed a Ram Temple. Likewise a temple in Mathura where Krishna was born and there is a temple and Aurangzeb one of the mogul king built a mosque and it was a statement that he was victorious and now it sits kind of over the Krishna temple and now it is a source of friction. So my advice to our friends in New york is do not Build the Mosque.

Posted by: dadbarman | August 16, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

It is known fact every time Muslims have declared victory over the enemy they have built a mosque and you can see this in Northern India ,they built a mosque called Quwate Islam in NEW DELHI at Qutub Minar, it was built at the site of temples which were destroyed Look at the Babri Mosque where they destroyed a Ram Temple. Likewise a temple in Mathura where Krishna was born and there is a temple and Aurangzeb one of the mogul king built a mosque and it was a statement that he was victorious and now it sits kind of over the Krishna temple and now it is a source of friction. So my advice to our friends in New york is do not Build the Mosque.

Posted by: dadbarman | August 16, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you Senator Reid. Build elswhere, maybe in Michigan or some Middle Eastern country, but not in New York City.

Posted by: truth1 | August 16, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse


Reed is slimy through and through. He bribes the health bill through and now hopes to get votes on the mosque controversy, knowing he'll never have to vote on the issue. He's immoral to the core.
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Posted by: Billw3 | August 16, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

It's fun to see all the leftists in a tizzy about the First Amendment.

The First Amendment isn't the question here, folks. No one is denying a muslim's right to worship. The question is WHERE a mosque can be built.

If the left is this tone-deaf to the voice of the people, they can expect to lose a lot come November.

Posted by: enaughton27 | August 16, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Since the right thinks that simply opposing something gives them the right to stop it from happening, I am willing to join their side if they will back the following initiatives:

* I oppose my neighbors smoking, mostly that its cheap cigarettes, nice cigars would be fine. I want the president doing something about it.

* I really oppose the guy down the block that gardens without a shirt on, good lord talk about moobs. I want a law that forbids shirt fatmen with man-teats.

* There's this whiney kid I oppose across the block too. I want him arrested for excessive nasal complaining and talking slowing just to drag it out.

* Finally, I can't stand the damn trousers around the knees with the underwear showing. Fashions were meant to die. I demand a dunagrees of democracy amendment, or maybe the breeches of freedom act.

Posted by: tweldy | August 16, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

lafont1:

Hamas has actually come out IN FAVOR of building the Ground Zero mosque, so you are wrong.

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

This "issue" is completely fraudulent.

It's going to be two blocks away, folks.

If you've never lived in Manhattan you may not know, but two blocks apart in NYC is often worlds apart. Even one block's distance in many parts of the city can be the difference between safe and sorry. It's just yet another building.

Get over it, if you're genuinely concerned. Stop the hate-mongering, if you're rabble rousing for votes.

If you really want to get upset about building on Ground Zero, worry about our failure to build anything there. Though given the eyesores that have been proposed, maybe we all should be happy to keep the additional blue sky.

Posted by: washpost29 | August 16, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

why are all these politicians constantly kicking themselves and each other up the backside and then shoving the collective foot into their individual big mouths?

oh, but, i forgot it's an election year ....and nobody has anything better to do anyway because we're doing just fine around here(?).

Posted by: bagelbrookefarm | August 16, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I was particularly struck by Jim Manley's use of the "think." I had no idea Reid could do that, think, I mean!

Posted by: georges2 | August 16, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Reid's statement is extremely disappointing and is no doubt reflective of his tight race. The community board has already approved the zoning change and the appropriate authorities in NYC have done their job. This is clearly a matter SOLELY within the jurisdiction of NYC. Rick Lazio, Pete King and other NY Republicans found an issue they could demagogue and have have since been joined by the Krauthammer and the rest of the right wing bigots. There seems to be a flaw in their arguement. If this ground is 'HALLOWED" how does it diminish or change the right of another group to build a religious monument. The proposed building is 2 blocks away from ground zero. Per these apolostles of intolerance what is the approriate ditance..ten blocks, a mile?
The Republican party made a pretty good living playng the fear card for nearly half a century before the Soviet empire fell. The latest attempts at xenophobia reflect how out of touch and ideologically bankrupt the once proud part of Lincoln,Roosevelt and Eisenhower has become. Sharron Angle is about as knowlegable about the US Constitution as she is about Einstein's theory of relativity. It is disappointing to see Reid stoop to her level.

Posted by: rant | August 16, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

My sister and brother in law were a little late for work at the WTC on 9/11 and were about to enter WTC1 when the planes were crashed into the building. I didn't hear from them for a day. But they never held it against the Muslims but just against the idiot terrorists. They are ok with the mosque too. Terrorist and Muslims are not the same thing. In the same way that Germans and Nazis are not the same thing. The Rethuglicans and Republithugs are the same thing and fascist too!

Posted by: bgreston | August 16, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Dear Sirs,
Was General Dwight David Eisenhower correct in bombing the Catholic monastery at Monte Cassino?
Should he have simplu blasted Swastikas instead of concentrating on fighting the NAZIS?
Clifford Spencer

Posted by: yankeefan1925 | August 16, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Vote these communists out in November.

Posted by: Ruperb | August 16, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I am with Harry Ried - build the Mosque somewhere else but not in the United States. I find it an odd irony that the Muslims chose a site for their Mosque near the 911 site. The other irony is this: No matter the faith is religion is the problem. And, if there were really a god, he or she would be on the internet to tell us the truth??!! In the future, should man find a new planet to inhabit the rules should be for said new planet: No Religion, no attorneys, no politicians and no plumbers allowed.

Posted by: Rlupodimare | August 16, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Tell me when did such a thing happen that the building or prevention of building of a religious edifice was from the decree of the majority of a political entity?

Posted by: Glittbryt | August 16, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are finding themselves squarely in bed with Muslim fundamentalist radicals.

They both want to see the end of freedom of religion...

No doubt a few years ago the KKK was offended by the construction of black churches in their white neighborhoods. No doubt the Republicans would support them too...

Posted by: lafont1 | August 16, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

voultron2:

"The choice is not between order and liberty. It is between liberty with order and anarchy without either. There is danger that, if the court does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact."

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Reid is a member of the Mormon Church and has to have experienced discrimination because of his faith from the right-wingers (just as Mitt Romney did in 2008), yet now he joins in this campaign of discrimination against Muslims? That attitude is beyond my comprehension of fair-mindedness.

Posted by: WesFromStPaul | August 16, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama is showing his true colors. What a disaster.

Posted by: AG1231 | August 16, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

We Americans certainly deserve our misery. We voted into the presidency the amiable evil of George Bush and the conniving wickedness of Dick Cheney. Then we let this hugely evil pair guide us into unwise, unjust wars that justly gobble up our resources. We continue to gobble up the lunatic Republican lies with such fervor that we force prostitution even great than their normal wont upon our other politicians.

I watch you vicious clowns in horror. It's like watching a Siamese twin, joined to me! point a gun at my head while it shovels down amphetamines and snorts angel dust, as it terrorizes the world. We're against terrorism, eh? It looks like to me we love doing it to others.

Posted by: LoathVulpineVomit | August 16, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

It's the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, stupid.

The far right GOP will pimp, lie and distort any issue, even if it means dumping all over our most fundamental rights in order to gain power....and the MSM runs to cover what ever the next lie or distortation the pitiful Party of No can come up with.

Posted by: voultron2 | August 16, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Cleo6:

I don't live in Hawaii either (just in case that matters to my hypothetical question).

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Gramdpa Reid, you're older than dirt.

It's time for you to retire, anyway. Well, at least you are consistent, playing your B.S. politics until you die.

Posted by: veerle1 | August 16, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't get this. Are not American Muslims American citizens? Do they not have the same rights as all other Americans. Do we consider Kareem Abdul Jabbar or Mohammed Ali terrorists? Should we intern them in Gitmo because they must be terrorists. They're Muslims. Barnum was right: never underestimate the intellgence of the American people. All the righties cry about defnding the Constitution and our rights, but want to take those rights from other Americans. Why? Because they "are not like us." Well, neither are Mormons and they committed one of the biggest mass murders in US history before 9/11, killing an entire wagon train of settlers crossing Utah. Have we kept them from building their temples? Harry Reid's a fool and he should be replaced when the Dems keep control of the Senate. And the repubs should come up with real ideas instead of just trying to promote hate and fear.

Posted by: mikel7 | August 16, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

the muslim takeover will end when our nationalist French and German brothers wake up...don't forget our Russian comrades..they too have a stake...a warning to arabs...the brotherhood will be upon you and will give genocide a new name...look to Europe..the signs will appear soon...it will start with the Israeli strike on iran

Posted by: kiler616 | August 16, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Harry Reid.

What a marshmallow...

Posted by: lafont1 | August 16, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

TO: farmsnorton who wrote:
“… Then to take the heat off him [Reid], he lies about Sharron Angle position on social security and medicare…”

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Harry Reid isn’t the only one with ears in this Country.

Sharron Angle was widely quoted on several issues, including her position on Social Security and Medicare, each one, jointly and severally, wacko freaking crazy.

Angle is running for a Senate seat which, if taken, could affect not just the United States, but ostensibly, the world, so everything she says, we hear it too, even out here in California.

It even made new when Angle came out and CHANGED HER STORY, because just like the rest of the Republican Bag of Fleas, she’ll say ANYTHING to try to get elected.

Psycho.

Posted by: lindalovejones | August 16, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

HumanSimpleton:

Do you think that the First Amendment requires that the government allow Japanese-Americans to float a house of worship the exact same distance (two blocks) from the USS Arizona Memorial?

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Political posturing season is getting even more active than previously. By saying this, I do not intend to deny the intense feelings many must hold about the mosque issue as a result of Sept. 11, 2001. I remember exactly where I was and what I was doing when I learned about three events: President Kennedy's assassination, McVeigh's destruction at the federal building in Oklahoma City, and the horrible events of 9/11. Living in "flyover" country does not remove citizens from experiencing the heartache and horror caused by others either crazed or agenda driven or both. In fact the OK incident is not that far from home, literally. But I feel that the mosque matter is one for New York City and its citizens to settle, and I question (see the Pew survey cited by Chris Cillizza today) whether many in the country are even following the debate. So why are various politicians with otherwise differing viewpoints lining up to opine on the subject? This is a rhetorical question for sure. And the entire episode points to the dearth of seriousness with which our governmental and political leaders approach their responsibilities. Let me add finally that I support our President's statement reminding us that we are a nation founded to respect freedom of religion. Thus all have the right to worship as we choose or not worship at all. However this is apart and separate from the matter of where a building will be erected. Let's leave this to New York City's citizens, and I accept their judgment.

Posted by: Cleo6 | August 16, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Harry Reid-D Nevada joins his fellow Republicans in calling for the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution to be abolished.

Posted by: Maddogg | August 16, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

It's sad to see so many bigots in here ignoring the First Amendment.

A mosque, much like a temple or a church is offensive to me.

However, I recognize that the First Amendment protects that mosque/church/temple despite my finding it offensive.

Why can't you bigots? If you do not like America, leave it!

Posted by: HumanSimpleton | August 16, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

dkp01:

Ground Zero Mosque organizers deny: “That’s complete misinformation. That’s crazy,” El-Gamal said.

“That’s totally totally wrong. This is more misinformation in this web of misinformation.”

http://biggovernment.com/publius/2010/08/16/muslim-leaders-abandon-plans-for-ground-zero-mosque/

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Ever since 9/11, Ground Zero is hallowed ground for the USA. Like Pearl Harbor, the site of 9/11 stands as a symbol of the worst Muslim terrorist attack in the USA. To build a Mosque next to that site is an age old tradition where Islam puts her "stamp of power" on the ruins of other cultures. In India alone all of North India's holy cities, including Varanasi do not have temples dating earlier than the 15th century as the older temples were leveled down by Muslim invasions and a Mosque built upon the ruins. Sites like Kajuraho, Ellora or Ajanta were not on the beaten path and were quickly saved by the jungles once these sites were abandoned by the Hindus and Buddhists of that time. In new Delhi stands a Mosque made out of 26 destroyed Hindu and Jain temples. Next to the Mosque stands the Kutb Minar, a tower to symbolize Islam power over Hindu India Now this one thousand year practice has crossed the oceans and landed in New York. If that Mosque is ever built that age old Islamic tradition of destroying other cultures icons and replace them with Islam will continue with the blessings of the kind of people like Obama

Posted by: rsbnola | August 16, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

It looks like Reid must have traded his principles in for what comes out the rear end of one of Sue Lowden's chickens.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | August 16, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

What a surpise. I am not a Reid fan, but my hat goes off to him. We all know that a church can build where it wants to in the US. The question is, is it in good taste? Would the Japanese appreciate if the US build a cultural center at Hiroshima? Hiroshima is hallowed ground for the Japanese just like the 911 site is for Americans. The Iman should build elsewhere in NY.

Posted by: cklazura | August 16, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse


Republicans are just becoming sickening.

First they screamed about following the Constitution.

Now they want to selectively deny other Americans their Constitutional rights.

A nutty bunch, those Republicans.


Posted by: lindalovejones | August 16, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

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Too bad the article's about Democrat Harry Reid.

Posted by: Jeff08 | August 16, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Reid has so many problems in this state it's hard to count. In Nevada we have a 14.2% unemployment rae. Thanks Harry and lets not forget all the forclosure we have had in the state. Then to take the heat off him, he lies about Sharron Angle position on social security and medicare. He must be learning from Obama.

Posted by: farmsnorton | August 16, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Sharron Angle is straight crazy.

It's not up to Harry Reid to tell New Yorkers what to do, and it surely isn't up to Sharron Angle.

New York City got hit and suffered losses on 9/11, so it's their decision, and not anybody else's from the other side of America.


Posted by: lindalovejones | August 16, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Why is any democrat trying to respond to GOP idiocies? One listen to Sharron Angle makes it apparent that she knows almost as little as Sarah Palin. Feces makes a bad diet, and to react to it as if it's chocolate is silly.

Call Angle what she is--an ignoranus.

Posted by: carlianschwartz | August 16, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Much ado about very little. Obama was right in his comments and he's right to move on. The Repugs just want to use this as another distraction to keep everyone from noticing that they are doing nothing to help the economy or the war or the environment or healthcare or education, etc.

Posted by: old999 | August 16, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

al Qaeda & the Taliban wins again, because of the HATE, FEAR and HYPOCRISY spread across the land by the Extremist Rag Wing Party.


BE AFRAID AMERICANS!

BE VERY AFRAID OF ISLAMIC MUSLIMS.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | August 16, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are just becoming sickening.

First they screamed about following the Constitution.

Now they want to selectively deny other Americans their Constitutional rights.

A nutty bunch, those Republicans.


Posted by: lindalovejones | August 16, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of pansies.

"I believe in the freedom of religion. Always!"

is that so hard.

Posted by: huyle23 | August 16, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

All these politicians are panzies and loonies, if you ask me. What a bunch of pathetic losers. I see that Dubya, Cheney, Rove, et al. have done a terrific job conflating the Al Qaeda terrorists, who were sad, pathetic and psychopath criminals, with an entire religion. This is like conflating the pedophilia of some priests with the Catholic religion. You know, all Catholic priests are pedophiles, therefore, no churches shall be build near any school. Or domestic terrorist Tim McVey, with all ex-soldiers and the army. Al Qaeda used their perverted interpretation of Islam as a weapon. Bin Laden used his charismatic charm, his bona fides as an anti-Soviet fighter in Afghanistan and millions of Bin Laden family dollars to persuade 20 disaffected Muslims to commit suicide. What does that have to do with the building of a mosque in NYC?

Posted by: bruce19 | August 16, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, if you have to pretend to be just like Sharron Angle to beat her, you have to at least be bold enough to admit that you too are a intolerant bigot.

Reid is just like McCain, Newt, and the rest.

Posted by: HumanSimpleton | August 16, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Three cheers for Harry! This is not about religious freedom.There are mosques all over the NY metro area.The NYC construction unions will settle the "controversy" soon.The mosque will go on another site or it won`t be built.The construction crews have cahones and common sense.They will not follow the PC politicians and the looney leftists when so many of their families were personally touched by 911.

Posted by: bowspray | August 16, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I guess Harry Reid didn't realize the haters wouldn't give him credit for joining in. I think it's strange that it is now "leftist" to support freedom of religion. I also didn't realize that the Bill of Rights was contingent upon majority approval. Whether or not anyone else thinks this location is appropriate, the people of faith who wish to use it for a religious center in accordance with local regulations should be allowed to do so. I certainly do not wish for my church's location to be left to a popular vote of people who are not members of our congregation. I do not assume my faith will always be popular.

Posted by: jjhare | August 16, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

So does this make Harry Reid a Nazi or not a Nazi? I'm so confused.

Posted by: jiji1

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He is now a Natzi.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | August 16, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I have read most of the comments and I admire Reid for his honesty and gentleness to care for the victims familes.

There is a larger issue, THIS IS the LAST BATTLE GROUND.Practice islamism any where. They unseen under ground like TERMITES.The battle is between terrorists and we Americans. This mosque is only a symbol for what is to come-trample
all that has happened for 200 hundred years. We at last stand shoulder to shoulder to keep our rights- our constitution says bear arms and fight for,by and of of our free will to protect our sacred constitution, beatback the evil forces and our country

Posted by: jayrkay | August 16, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been following this story very closely, but hearing about a Senator from Nevada weighing in on a micro-local issue (not federal, state, or city, but burrough) got me interested.

I hadn't realized that the mosque, or center, or whatever you want to call it, is a full TWO BLOCKS away from ground zero.

Two blocks is a huge distance in Manhattan.

I was once on my way to the UN building in NYC, and stopped to ask directions (hey, I'm southern, that's what I do). Vinnie, the clerk at the store where I stopped, had no idea where the UN building was. We were two blocks away. I don't think anyone would notice a strip club two blocks away from ground zero.

Posted by: jb1151 | August 16, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

So does this make Harry Reid a Nazi or not a Nazi? I'm so confused.

Posted by: jiji1 | August 16, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

What a surprise! A spineless liberal realizing that with his political future hanging in the balance that perhaps he should actually side with the vast majority of Americans.

-----------------------

You can always tell when it's election season. Most Washington Democrats actually PRETEND that they're not hard-core leftists.

Posted by: ugottabkiddin | August 16, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

And if Reid had been in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1957, he would have urged the nine black school children to attend at another location.

The black school children wanted an end to segregation, but Reid would have urged them to be sensitive to the white majority's raw emotions and to go to school elsewhere, at least for now.

Posted by: blasmaic | August 16, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Like Independents, even the radical left wing Democrats like Reid are running away from the anti-Americanism of the Obama Administration.

But, we see through you Hypocrite Harry. So does Nevada. You're tosst

But Keep preaching that amnesty BS and, at least, the Mexican illegal aliens in your state will vote for you.

As for Muslims there, they just might issue a Fatwah against you.

Posted by: Patriot12 | August 16, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm, must be an election coming up!

Posted by: garys_opinion | August 16, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse


Barry the incompetent boob Obama versus Harry the horse's asp Reid.

This is your issue Dims. Your Senate majority leader Reid is on the record that he does not support the mosque built 2 blocks from Ground Zero.

Posted by: screwjob19 | August 16, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Reid wants the Mosque placed in Yucca mountain and this is his way of doing it. He's a crafty old geezer.

Posted by: richard36 | August 16, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

The hypocricy and gutlessness of all the national "leaders" involved in this is just digusting.

Makes you want to throw up.

Posted by: SwellLevel5 | August 16, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Once again Radical Muslim Extremists in the Middle East are Dictating U.S.,Democracy in America.

I can hear the Taliban and al Qaeda Extremist now, chanting and saying," See, what did I tell ya, Americans in all of their so-called Democracy are nothing but a bunch of cowardly political pansies. Democracy doesn't work there, and it will not work here"!

Posted by: lcarter0311 | August 16, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I agree that the RLUIPA law regarding religious buildings has turned to bite some people in this case. Either we believe the First Amendment, or we don't. I'm not endorsing this particular structure, but I don't see the Constitutional basis for prohibiting it either.

Posted by: Dave115 | August 16, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

screwjob19

If you did a poll on interracial dating and marriage you would probably get a 50/50 result. Does that mean its wrong? If you did a poll right now in 2010 on segregation is schools you would be surprised how many people would be for it. Does that make it OK?

Posted by: ged0386 | August 16, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

abqcleve:

Well there you go. They won't build it because they can't pay for it. The "controversy" starts with zoning and construction questions, and ends with zoning and construction questions. Maybe now we can stop pretending this is some national issue that the whole country gets to debate as though we were all New Yorkers and were all directly in front of the towers on 9/11.

And at any rate, that Burlington Coat Factory building was found not to be a landmark, so it can be torn down and used. We'll see if the "landing assembly"-ers speak up when someone decides to build a Marshall's or Filene's Basement in that lot.

Posted by: dkp01 | August 16, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I did a check of the post by dl49 above and the man is exactly correct wether you listen to the fox crowd or not. Republicans are now against their own rule of law. There should be something new about that but sadly it is normal for the right to lean which ever way the wind blows at any given time. I wouldn't sell Obama short, they did that to Truman and he is regarded as a great president. The right idolised Reagan and he was the first to begin the economic disaster they are ranting about today. At the very bestb you might excuse the right for unintended consequences but the facts seem to lean towards a well thought out plan to pay off those who you play golf with.

Posted by: anOPINIONATEDsob | August 16, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Build the mosque in Crawford Texas .... Let Bush & his Republican buddies search it for weapons of mass destruction. I'm sure the great state of Texas *funny* would welcome the Muslims with open arms.

Posted by: wasaUFO | August 16, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Muddy_Buddy_2000:

It's not just Harry Reid either. Senator Jack Reed, a Democrat, did not answer directly if he thought the mosque should be built, but said he supported its designed intention to provide interfaith communication and dialogue.

"But it can't be there, and I don't think it should be allowed to be there, if it's going to be some type of way to undercut the truth, the reality, of 9/11... which was an attack by fanatical Muslims against the United States," he told the program.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100815/pl_afp/uspoliticsreligionattacks_20100815184754

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Go home, Reid. You have no friends on either side of the aisle after today's comments. We're trying to save what's left of this country after the Bush Dark Ages and you've fought us every inch of the way. Go back to Nevada where you belong. You're a traitor to your party, country and above all, the Constitution. Maybe you and everyone else who objects to the mosque on purely bigotted grounds should give it a quick read. You might find it fascinating.

Posted by: Byrd3 | August 16, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Islam is not a religion. It is a political system of law that works all the way up to the internation level.

It is not a way of thinking or belief system like most religions.

Posted by: Cryos | August 16, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

What a surprise! A spineless liberal realizing that with his political future hanging in the balance that perhaps he should actually side with the vast majority of Americans. Obama has nothing to lose showing his true colors, Harry Reid does. Oh, the wacky, wacky left!

Posted by: LAWNMAN209 | August 16, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

First, it is not a mosque, second, it is not at Ground Zero...If the Republicans want to tell people where to build their religious temples, they will have to change the Constitution.

Posted by: Sapiando | August 16, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

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It includes a mosque, it's two blocks from Ground Zero, and the article is about Democrat Harry Reid.

Posted by: Jeff08 | August 16, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Another reason why we need term limits, so our leaders will stop catering to polls to stay in office and do the right thing while they are in office. And there is no need for bashing based on political parties because members of both parties are doing it.

screwjob19
Think about this, Obama the boob beat the republicans in an election. So are the republicans bigger boobs? They lost to him. That tells you what people think of the republicans, they voted for the boob instead of them.

Posted by: ged0386 | August 16, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

This is pretty simple stuff really. The site is on Private Property and it is zoned for places of Worship.

Now, either you believe in Property Rights, Freedom of Assembly and Freedom of Religion or you don't. If you don't, you should leave the USA because you're just plain Anti-American. This proposed Mosque is legal and will be situated on Private Property.

But for the trembling (with fear and rage) Moronic Rubes out there.....few of which, I would bet, live in New York City....this is an excellent opportunity to cloak stupidity in false patriotism and cynical displays of "sensitivity to the victims"

You know, I really do not like the Mormon Temple right there on the Beltway distracting drivers that haven't seen it before, I say tear it down. Anyway, it was those Mormons with their bizarre sex crazed perverted religion with their oddball magic gold books that massacred good Innocent Christian Americans back in the day, Right? (Google Mountain Meadows Massacre). Stuff Reid, I sincerely hope he gets his tushy handed to him in November, too bad he has a lunatic running against him.

Posted by: jmccas | August 16, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I consider myself fiscally conservative, but I'm socially liberal - especially when it comes to women's rights and gay rights.

I can't think of a more intolerant, oppressive religion than Islam. Liberals bash Christianity (I'm agnostic, for what it's worth) for its oppressive nature (especially the Catholic Church - and on many points they are correct). But the abuses against women, children and homosexuals in Muslim countries get a free pass. Islam and its oppressive, intolerant tendencies are very scary to me as a freedom-loving woman. Sorry. But I'm just trying to keep it real.

Posted by: kate19 | August 16, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

No, Ab... I do not think that Bin Laden will jump out and lead the charge through the city, but like the Coward that you are, you would rather make fun of the threat than to face it. Is it really worth the risk to allow this thing to get a toe-hold on our shores? Seriously, the entire Muslim world--see comments on Al-Jazzera website--already sees this not as you do 'a cultural center' but as a MONUMENT to the 'Heros of 9/11'. It is their tradition and the way that they go about infiltrating (I do hope that word is not too big for you to understand) the lands of their enemy, and make no mistake, those radical do see us as enemies. Even if you do not see them as such it changes nothing in them. You and your cowardly ilk are being manipulated into spear-heading their advance. This is not and has never been about our Constitution since that only guarantees you the right to worship whatever god you want, and no one is suggesting that Muslim be rounded up. Still for decades zoning laws have told churches and temples and yes, even mosques where they can or can not be erected. This is no different than that. Visit my blog at unitedfederation.blogspot.com to read more, or read my latest short story at temporal-reality.biz

Posted by: Berezan | August 16, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

No, Ab... I do not think that Bin Laden will jump out and lead the charge through the city, but like the Coward that you are, you would rather make fun of the threat than to face it. Is it really worth the risk to allow this thing to get a toe-hold on our shores? Seriously, the entire Muslim world--see comments on Al-Jazzera website--already sees this not as you do 'a cultural center' but as a MONUMENT to the 'Heros of 9/11'. It is their tradition and the way that they go about infiltrating (I do hope that word is not too big for you to understand) the lands of their enemy, and make no mistake, those radical do see us as enemies. Even if you do not see them as such it changes nothing in them. You and your cowardly ilk are being manipulated into spear-heading their advance. This is not and has never been about our Constitution since that only guarantees you the right to worship whatever god you want, and no one is suggesting that Muslim be rounded up. Still for decades zoning laws have told churches and temples and yes, even mosques where they can or can not be erected. This is no different than that. Visit my blog at unitedfederation.blogspot.com to read more, or read my latest short story at temporal-reality.biz

Posted by: Berezan | August 16, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

To be fair, ohioan, there's no "existing law" preventing this Muslim group from building a mosque. I would just hope that they take into account the feelings of the families of 9/11 victims and re-consider.

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Being that the rebel yell has again hijacked the taxpayer, we will get sued and lose when this is challeneged.

Posted by: mmax | August 16, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Being that the rebel yell has again hijacked the taxpayer, we will get sued and lose when this is challeneged.

Posted by: mmax | August 16, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Well, I guess this means Reid is a racist, anti-Muslim coward who hates the US Constitution, right liberals?

Posted by: Jeff08 | August 16, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

First, it is not a mosque, second, it is not at Ground Zero...If the Republicans want to tell people where to build their religious temples, they will have to change the Constitution.

Posted by: Sapiando | August 16, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I may be in bad taste to non muslims but to suppress their right to build it there basically goes against what our country stands for. If we say they cant build it near ground zero just because Muslims pray their what does that say about us as a country? Are we saying only Christians can build a building of worship near ground zero? What next, it can only be a all white church or an all black church? We cant hand pick the time to honor our freedoms or not honor them depending on what is popular at the time. I just think it sets a bad precedent. And it basically says its ok to stereotype a religion as violent based on the acts of a few people. We have had some violent christians in this country but we never tried to stop a catholic church from being built because of it.

Posted by: ged0386 | August 16, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

abqcleve:

The NEW YORK TIMES reported that the landing gear assembly of one of the planes used in the 9/11 attack crashed through the roof of this very building. I posted the link below, but here it is again, just for you....
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That's a single sentence in an article a month ago attempting to explain why some people object to the citing. There is plenty of question about whether that in fact happened.

But, in any case, it's not there now. It's a metal assembly. Have you been raising funds for the past 10 years to preserve the site out of some sort of weird nostalgia? Why the sudden interest in the location of landing gears?

Posted by: abqcleve | August 16, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Pure and simple pandering. Reid, facing his strongest challenge, is trying to cozy up to the true majority of people in this country against the building of the mosque near ground zero.

Along with Pelosi, he represents a real danger to this country and all that it stands for.

Posted by: tweakmaster | August 16, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

So, Obama chooses Not to Enforce existing Immigration Laws, in fact, he sues the state of Arizona.... but, then he turns around and says its ok for Muslims to build
an In Your Face MOSQUE practically on top
of Ground Zero?
This is Hypocrisy, and it makes you wonder if all those people are right who say that the Obamas hate this country.

Posted by: ohioan | August 16, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

nsu1203:

"The choice is not between order and liberty. It is between liberty with order and anarchy without either. There is danger that, if the court does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact."

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Polls, polls, polls. So what that a majority of Americans oppose the Mosque near ground zero? And, what's your point? People want to return to "mob rule." CNN should post a poll, "Do you believe that a black person should be allowed to marry a white person?" and see what happens. Either you believe in the Constitution or you don't, clearly, many people in this country don't believe in the Constitution.

Posted by: nsu1203 | August 16, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Senate Majority Leader said almost the same thing a President Obama. He said he respects freedom of religion, and thus was stating in a far more cowardly way that no government should prevent the Mosque being built. He then went further and expressed an opinion that it should not be built, or in other words the builders should chose another site. As Senate Majority he too took the oath to defend the Constitution, but in classic DINO style he only did it back handily. Of course since he is not in charge of the USA Law enforcement, his comment has absolutely no weight on the matter legally, and not much symbolically.
President Obama has done the only thing any President who takes their oath of office seriously could do, he strongly reaffirmed the idea that the Islamic Community center group had the right to build it, and as our top leader refused to state whether he favored or disfavored this religious group on this issue.

BTW if you poll of whether the government should prevent the Mosque, Americans, even Republicans, show their love of country and their Constitution and say NO, the government should not stop the Mosque. Any elected official who says otherwise is betraying their oath of office.

Posted by: Muddy_Buddy_2000 | August 16, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Polls, polls, polls. So what that a majority of Americans oppose the Mosque near ground zero? And, what's your point? People want to return to "mob rule." CNN should post a poll, "Do you believe that a black person should be allowed to marry a white person?" and see what happens. Either you believe in the Constitution or you don't, clearly, many people in this country don't believe that in the Constitution.

Posted by: nsu1203 | August 16, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Pathetic.

Posted by: chop1 | August 16, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

What a colossal puss. A) Stand up for freedom of religion, or B) Kowtow to the worst right-wing xenophobic impulses. And the supposed leader of the Dems chooses... "A".

And pollers wonder why both the left and the right thinks Congress stinks...

Posted by: chop1 | August 16, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Senate Majority Leader said almost the same thing a President Obama. He said he respects freedom of religion, and thus was stating in a far more cowardly way that no government should prevent the Mosque being built. He then went further and expressed an opinion that it should not be built, or in other words the builders should chose another site. As Senate Majority he too took the oath to defend the Constitution, but in classic DINO style he only did it back handily. Of course since he is not in charge of the USA Law enforcement, his comment has absolutely no weight on the matter legally, and not much symbolically.
President Obama has done the only thing any President who takes their oath of office seriously could do, he strongly reaffirmed the idea that the Islamic Community center group had the right to build it, and as our top leader refused to state whether he favored or disfavored this religious group on this issue.

BTW if you poll of whether the government should prevent the Mosque, Americans, even Republicans, show their love of country and their Constitution and say NO, the government should not stop the Mosque. Any elected official who says otherwise is betraying their oath of office.

Posted by: Muddy_Buddy_2000 | August 16, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

abqcleve:

The NEW YORK TIMES reported that the landing gear assembly of one of the planes used in the 9/11 attack crashed through the roof of this very building. I posted the link below, but here it is again, just for you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/nyregion/14center.html?_r=1

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I smell politics cooking here.

Posted by: 20rowkid | August 16, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Robert Menendez just said any politician opposing this Mosque will pay a political price.

There isn't enough popcorn in the world to be able to watch the democrats this fall.

Posted by: robtr | August 16, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

You're not fooling anyone, Harry. Dust off your resume.

Posted by: ugottabkiddin | August 16, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I say build the mosque in Searchlight, Nevada so Harry Mason Reid and Barack have someplace to worship when Obama visits. This will be a great place from the 2 of them to get together after Reid is fired for being anti-America in November. Harry Mason Reid is a dotting old racist fool who should have been put out to pasture long before he had the opportunity to damage this country as much as he has in the past 12 months!

I am not wild about Angle, but even Hugo Chavez would be an improvement to this senile ignoramus!

Posted by: wcochran60 | August 16, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse


Read your History you Social-Liberal swine! There are several things from history that are important in this debate. First, those who do not know history are DOOMED to repeat it. Second, It was the mobs of 'peace-loving, surrender rather than fight, losers' in the Trojan population who insisted that the leaders bring the 'gift' from the Greeks (A weird and huge Wooden Horse) inside the walls of the city.....

Posted by: Berezan
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Wow! So, this thing is gonna be prefabbed and floated over to NYC and a bunch of bearded assassins are gonna jump out, led by none other than the heir to bin Laden Construction himself???!!!

I gotta see that!!!!

Conservatives, you do know why most of American thinks you're all insane, don't you???

Posted by: abqcleve | August 16, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

This appears to be a created GOP campaign issue, like the birthers, death panels, etc............. to distract the people while they steal the buttons off our shirts.

Posted by: ThinkerMom4 | August 16, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

WEAK!

IF TIMOTHY MCVEIGH BOMBED THE OKLAHOMA CITY FEDERAL BUILDING IN RETALIATION FOR WHAT HAPPENED AT THE BRANCH DAVIDIAN COMPOUND (OF CHRISTIAN FAITH), WHY DIDN'T WE BAN *CHRISTIAN* CHURCHES WITHIN TWO BLOCKS OF THAT LOCATION?

*THIS* is a joke, but I guess I should expect that from the GOP, considering they have no ideas, no credibility, and nothing legitimate to offer anymore. All they can do is repeat the "divide and conquer" Rovian tactics they learned during the last administration.

I hope America is smart enough to send these Dinosaurs to their grave this November. What a pathetic, sorry excuse for a political movement. More like a BOWEL movement. I am ashamed to even hear their nonsense and know the rest of the world thinks we take them seriously.

HEY GOP - TRY TO WORK ON SOLVING SOME PROBLEMS THAT MATTER, AND STOP THE BULL. WE SEE YOUR GARBAGE PILING UP ON THE CURB. TAKE IT OUT AND TRY TO START OFFERING AMERICANS SOMETHING LEGITIMATE!

YOU SIMPLY CANNOT CONTINUE TO FEIGN OUTRAGE AND SUGGEST WE CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION EVERY TIME YOUR PREJUDICES, OR CORPORATE DONORS ARE BUMPED BY PROGRESSIVE THOUGHT.

Posted by: lets_go_klitschko | August 16, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Democrat Harry Reid says “the mosque should be built someplace else.” Obama says Muslims have a right to build the mosque of their Islam religion. Harry Reid must know who unpopular the mosque position is for Obama. With Harry’s Democrat record, he must also know that “someplace else” takes the edge off for Barack and Harry remains a faithful Yes man for the White House.
When Barack Obama campaigned for president in 2008, he promised to reach out and work with international powers and coalitions. This weekend, he finally fulfilled a campaign promise. He chided the vast majority of Americans and sided with the terrorist group Hamas.

Polls show almost 70 percent of Americans disagree with building a mosque at Ground Zero, including the majority of Democrats. Obama gave another condescending lecture this weekend, claiming bizarrely that the 9/11 mosque is “what our country’s about.” Then he backtracked, pretending he was only discussing the First Amendment and not actually endorsing the mosque.

Not everyone was fooled. Mahmoud al-Zahar, the co-founder of Hamas, reached out to the leader of the Dar al-Harb, hoping to become his partner. Al-Zahar said this weekend, “We have to build the mosque.” In fact, he claimed Muslims “have to build everywhere.”

Posted by: klausdmk | August 16, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I reflexively began to read the comments here and thought for a moment that I'd stumbled onto an Al Jazeera site or worse. Then I realized it was just the Washington Post site, with its lunatic-left readers -- the 8% of Americans, evidently, who think an Islamic cultural center and madrassa at Ground Zero would be just peachy.

Posted by: Doober1 | August 16, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

wjk1:

Did you object to Obama's comments about the Cambridge Police Department last year?

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

WEAK!

IF TIMOTHY MCVEIGH BOMBED THE OKLAHOMA CITY FEDERAL BUILDING IN RETALIATION FOR WHAT HAPPENED AT THE BRANCH DAVIDIAN COMPOUND (OF CHRISTIAN FAITH), WHY DIDN'T WE BAN *CHRISTIAN* CHURCHES WITHIN TWO BLOCKS OF THAT LOCATION?

*THIS* is a joke, but I guess I should expect that from the GOP, considering they have no ideas, no credibility, and nothing legitimate to offer anymore. All they can do is repeat the "divide and conquer" Rovian tactics they learned during the last administration.

I hope America is smart enough to send these Dinosaurs to their grave this November. What a pathetic, sorry excuse for a political movement. More like a BOWEL movement. I am ashamed to even hear their nonsense and know the rest of the world thinks we take them seriously.

HEY GOP - TRY TO WORK ON SOLVING SOME PROBLEMS THAT MATTER, AND STOP THE BULL. WE SEE YOUR GARBAGE PILING UP ON THE CURB. TAKE IT OUT AND TRY TO START OFFERING AMERICANS SOMETHING LEGITIMATE!

YOU SIMPLY CANNOT CONTINUE TO FEIGN OUTRAGE AND SUGGEST WE CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION EVERY TIME YOUR PREJUDICES, OR CORPORATE DONORS ARE BUMPED BY PROGRESSIVE THOUGHT.

Posted by: lets_go_klitschko | August 16, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse


Since part of the landing gear from a hijacked jet landed within the confines of the existing building the current address should have some sacred classification.

This fact is known to the Muslims and makes the site of the victory mosque particuarly diabolic.

Posted by: dokadow
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The landing gear did no such thing: you're repeating the lunatic musings of a blogger. Do some real homework.

But, it's apparently all moot: http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/muslim-leaders-to-abandon-plans-for-ground-zero-community-center-1.308426

Of particular interest in this just-posted article, "Another factor in the apparent climbdown is a lack of funds to pay for construction of the center, estimated to cost a hundred million dollars. Backers hope moving it will lead to a wave of support, accompanied by cash donations."

How much do you want to bet this "hallowed ground" that was the repository for a "9/11 landing gear," will sit derelict for years until it's razed to become another Trump condo: "Bad Toupee III, LLC"?

Posted by: abqcleve | August 16, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Same old: "Not in my backyard"

Does Reid also agree with the Natives when they disapprove of US military bases in their lands? Not in their backyard?

Mosque, at least, is a place of worship, will be monitored by the FBI, the Imam himself has worked for the FBI in the past, and unlike the military bases, it won't have planes flying out of it and killing civilians ("collateral damage") in the surrounding communities. When will the right of those communities respected. Sympathy anyone?

It's not some military base, as the Right and the majority have portrayed it, it's a place of worship - headed by an individual with an FBI past, a modernist, and who has condemned the atrocities of 911.

The irony here is that majority who turn a blind eye when it comes to killing brown civilians(majority approved both Iraqi and Afghani wars), beat their chest when it comes to forcing their ideologies onto others, and approve of military bases, are scared to death over a community center. Talk about fear mongering and demonizing the enemy - the media propaganda (that pushed for wars) has flowered. We are living in a fearful culture, full of prejudice and ignorance. People need to self-reflect. Harry Reid should self-reflect when he votes for mega military bases in Afghanistan and Iraq. Would he respect the right of an Iraqi and an Afghani when they say: Build the Bases Elsewhere.

Posted by: joiger456 | August 16, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA cannot approve the mosque and REID cannot block it. It is a matter for the City of New York to decide under their zoning laws. The last that I heard, zoning is still a local, not a Federal, issue.

Personally, I agree that the proposed location is in poor taste and should be somewhere else.

BUT, all of these Federal officials and Federal candidates should stay out of it and leave it to the City of New York to deal with it.

Posted by: wjk1 | August 16, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

But candidates could find it difficult to straddle the issue, as Obama did...

yep, be honest once.

Make a call.

Leaders make calls.

I give reid a one gazillion percent improvement... I now support him 1% up from (ground) zero.

Posted by: docwhocuts | August 16, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

rocknwroll:

I disagree.

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

If Angle and the rest concede that there is no legal basis for preventing the mosque from being built, and shouldn't be, then what, exactly, is the need for anyone, herself or Reid, to take a stand? Since when do we poll politicians on what a private landowner should do with a piece of private property? If Angle thinks there should be a law preventing this, she should say so, if not then she should explain why anyone should care what she or Reid think about it and why either should say anything. It's fairly clear already that some folks are offended. Is this all about demanding to know whether Reid is offended but still defends the Constitution? I don't care if he's offended or couldn't care less. I do care if Angle thinks there should be a way to stop it.

Posted by: JoeT1 | August 16, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I personally, think that it's a bad idea to build the mosque there and so adamantly fight to do so when local sentiment is against it. However, they have the right to do so as given in our first amendment. It also amazes me how many of those who are posting that they shouldn't have the right are the same ones crying about "protecting the constitution".......

Posted by: Kolchak | August 16, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse
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Sometimes you just don't do things out of respect for the dead, injured and their families and friends .... even if the constitution, zoning laws, and state laws say "you have the right."

The Muslim congomerate backing this $100,000,000 project surely can achieve the same results in an area of the city.

To be so insistent that the mosque and cultural center be built in that one location, and nowhere else - knowning how Americans feel - makes it clear this has nothing to do with bringing people together - it is not a power play and the Muslim backers don't care who they dig their heels into to usurp their "rights" even when it isn't right.

Posted by: asmith1 | August 16, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Don't the locals in NYC support the mosque? I thought the GOP supported letting local governments do what they want without federal interference? None the less, why in the world does a Senate candidate in Nevada think she or anyone in her state has a say in whether a mosque is built in Manhattan? Should New Yorkers have a say in the next monstrosity to be built in Las Vegas?

Posted by: SouthernerInDC | August 16, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Read your History you Social-Liberal swine! There are several things from history that are important in this debate. First, those who do not know history are DOOMED to repeat it. Second, It was the mobs of 'peace-loving, surrender rather than fight, losers' in the Trojan population who insisted that the leaders bring the 'gift' from the Greeks (A weird and huge Wooden Horse) inside the walls of the city. Of course the 'gift' was stuffed full of 'war-mongering, blood-thirsty Greek soldiers' who then crept out and sacked the city. Third, it is the custom of Islam to erect huge mosques on the sites of their 'great' victories. So you see, PINHEADs on the Left, without knowing your history you are childing our leaders to follow the path of the Trojans and bring the 'gift' of a 'cultural city, and all the GOOD that could do' inside our city. You are not following but leading the charge--like the TRAITORS that you on the Left have been since the 1960s--to help the Islamic Jihadists to follow their custom of erecting a Monument to their Religion on the site of what they see as one of their greatest victories. Make no mistake, NUTJOBs, even if you refuse to see it--like the ostrich with his head in the sand--the Muslims extremists see this a a Crusade. They will not stop until they have either won this war or been eradicated. Which side of History do you want to be remembered as having been on you TRATIOROUS DOGS? Visit my blog at unitedfederation (dot) blogspot (dot) com, or find my lastest short story at temporal-reality (dot) biz.

Posted by: Berezan | August 16, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Harry and Barry need to get on the same page. Build the Mosque, with taxpayer money, and push the 'jobs' angle.

Posted by: simonsays1 | August 16, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

There are so many contradictions in Islam, and with respect to this latest mosque in New York City, that the press simply ignores. Will the mosque be subject to normal sanitation and health rules? Will women be admitted? Will women even be permitted on the sidewalk in front of the mosque? Will homosexuals be permitted to enter? Will there be an ADA-compliant entrance? If the answer to any of these is "no," how can this institution be tolerated in a tolerant America?

Posted by: SavingGrace | August 16, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

onexge:

You are aware that some "NYC people" are opposed to this mosque, right?

http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

From a yellow dog Dem: Reid is a sell-out, pandering opportunist who has cost this party more progress in the past two years than any Democratic leader I can think of in my lifetime. The nation can survive having a certifiable lunatic replace him temporarily: defeat Harry Reid.

Posted by: abqcleve | August 16, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The dopes here that want the mosque built are absolute fools and apologists. The entire episode is sad and pathetic. Imagine muslims wanting to build a mosque on Ground Zero IN AMERICA in order to preach tolerance.

Here's an idea: BUILD A MOSQUE IN SAUDI ARABIA OR IRAN AND TEACH SOME TOLERANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jsedelman22 | August 16, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

The dopes here that want the mosque built are absolute fools and apologists. The entire episode is sad and pathetic. Imagine muslims wanting to build a mosque on Ground Zero IN AMERICA in order to preach tolerance.

Here's an idea: BUILD A MOSQUE IN SAUDI ARABIA OR IRAN AND TEACH SOME TOLERANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jsedelman22 | August 16, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Americans wake up! Here we have the president, like him or not, fulfilling his oath to defend and uphold the constitution and the sheople of America are led by the nose by a group of opportunistic propagandists to believe he has done something disloyal. Can all Americans be so ignorant? I surely hope not. If anything it should awake us to the fact that these same propagandists will be coming after our rights next if we are so easily hoodwinked. We should be wary of these opportunists who would love to take away our freedoms one at a time or in one fell swoop. Maybe when we start to lose our right to read what we want to, associate with whom we like and think what we want we will snap out of our trance of television, Xbox and MTV and stand up for the principle this country was founded on. Freedom!!

Posted by: rocknwroll | August 16, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Kolchak:

"The choice is not between order and liberty. It is between liberty with order and anarchy without either. There is danger that, if the court does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact."

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Almost makes you want him to lose. He should NOT stand as majority leader again if he does. Coward.

Posted by: baldinho | August 16, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The opponents of the cultural center who want to impose their views on the people of NYC just hate our freedoms. Their grandparents probably wanted to have Japanese-americans sent to concentration camps during WWII, their great-grandparents made it a crime to teach German during WWI, and they come from a long line of freedom haters who Knew Nothing but keep the Darkies down, keep the Jews out, stifle Romanism, hang the Quakers on Boston Common, and the only good injun is a dead injun.

Posted by: onexge | August 16, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Reid should be ashamed. He's playing right into the GOP's hands. What an idiot.

It's not a mosque, and it's not at ground zero. And we still are America and have freedom of religion, even if hysterical teabaggers can't handle it.

Strip clubs and porn shops are just fine, but a Muslim community center? OMG NO!!!

Posted by: losthorizon10 | August 16, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Where Harry? On the Strip in Vegas?

No wonder this guy is so beatable; he craves office and power so much he will say anything and do anything to keep his job. And, this is the leader of the Democratic Party in the Senate and we wonder why we are in such dire straits?

The only thing which is going to save Harry Reid from a well earned and desired retirement is Sharon Angle. Has the Republicans nominated anyone but her, they would be walking away with this seat. As it is, it appears Harry will return to Washington to make all of our lives miserable.

Posted by: bobfbell | August 16, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

What a disgrace Harry Reid is. I feel sorry for President Obama, who not only has to fight against the morally bankrupt GOP, but against the idiots and cowards of his own party as well.

Posted by: JimHarrison1 | August 16, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Today’s US edition of the Financial Times carried the headline story: “US issues arms deal ultimatum to Turkey – Obama warns (Turkish PM) Erdogan over Israel, Iran stance”
In politics timing is everything. Why has the Washington Post not exercised some journalistic “healthy skepticism over the Obama White House issuing an “ultimatum” for the Monday morning headlines after Obama heart fully endorsed a “conquest” mosque in Manhattan at his iftar dinner on Friday to celebrate Ramadan with Muslim supporters.
It is apparent to those who have spent considerable time in countries with large Muslim populations that Obama is at least conversant with Muslim practices and is probably a Muslim apostate. His latest ultimatum comes after his Friday remarks deliberately opened a national wound created by Muslim Jihidis to curry favour with the World’s Muslims rather than being the President of the United States. Why attack Turkey for its stance on Israeli blockade of Gaza months after the event occurred? Why wait to attack the well known Islamist PM of Turkey months after Turkey voted against US sponsored Un Security Council sanctions against Iran? Why did Obama chose to speak to the Turkish Parliament in his first foreign policy address as President and “suck up” to Islamist Erdogan knowing that Ergodan had disemboweled the Turkish military (the time honoured defender of Turkish democracy) in February 2009? Timing is the only plausible answer.
Obama’s Friday speech deliberately supported Islamic efforts to erect a “conquest” mosque in Manhattan and misread the American body politic. Now he has the temerity to attack Erdogan for Erdogan’s actions committed months before and to publicise the event to make European and US newspapers to “neturalise” the impact of his certainly poor, if not dishonourable conduct in voicing very strong support for the purported free exercise of religion ever so close to the World Trade Center. Erdogan did not change his pro-Islamist position to neutralize public opinion – Obama certainly did.
Perhaps the Washington Post should look into the story carried by Israel Today in its April 29, 2010 edition (available online at http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=128&view=item&idx=2041) There it was reported: "The American President told me in confidence that he is a Muslim," said Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit on Nile TV. That could explain why Obama has instructed that the term "Islamic extremism" no longer be used in official government documents and statements.

Rather than defend Obama’s position on the First Amendment, the press should confront Obama repeated statement during his campaign that he was not a Muslim with the recorded statement Aboul Gheit. The reason why is simple to understand: It goes to the issue of personal integrity of this apparent impostor who campaigned on a series of false premises.

Posted by: KEVIN25 | August 16, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

there is nothing worse than watching the supposedly 'left' party cave to such bigoted garbage. while reid isn't the dems entirely, he certainly embodies it as its leader. the right assails the 14th amendment because they don't like brown babies. then they attack religious freedom because they don't like that particular religion. and the 'left' caves. they should lose everything in november. then maybe they'll get a backbone and court their base like the right does to its insane, religious nut job wackos.....

Posted by: thenarcotic22 | August 16, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Since part of the landing gear from a hijacked jet landed within the confines of the existing building the current address should have some sacred classification.

This fact is known to the Muslims and makes the site of the victory mosque particuarly diabolic.

Posted by: dokadow | August 16, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

America's love affair with Obama has quickly ended. Even his "mouth" on the Hill, i.e. Seedy Reid knows how to pander. Both of them need to find other jobs for which they are qualified to do. In today's job market, that might be hard to do.

Posted by: PittAlum | August 16, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

So sad...but he's a politician and to keep his seat he will do everything, to hell with principles and ideals...I guess Nevada does not have a large muslim community, uh Harry?

Posted by: jacobar1 | August 16, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

So Senator Harry Reid has been infected with rabid insanity too? Oh, Jesus Christ!

Well, the NEW pre-requisite for fending off primary challenge and/or winning election is to join the maddening crowd, sell one's dignity and violate the U.S. Constitution....

It's the beginning of the end of America. It is indeed true that no great civilization can be conquered from without until it has defeated itself from within.

Posted by: Whispers | August 16, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

So Senator Harry Reid has been infected with rabid insanity too? Oh, Jesus Christ!

Well, the NEW pre-requisite for fending off primary challenge and/or winning election is to join the maddening crowd, sell one's dignity and violate the U.S. Constitution....

It's the beginning of the end of America. It is indeed true that no great civilization can be conquered from without until it has defeated itself from within.

Posted by: Whispers | August 16, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

LOL The mid terms draw near as Harry the Hypocrite weighs in.

You know dingy harry WANTS the Mosque built there but his constituents don't. Just glaring, blatant hypocrisy.

Posted by: Straightline | August 16, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I personally, think that it's a bad idea to build the mosque there and so adamantly fight to do so when local sentiment is against it. However, they have the right to do so as given in our first amendment. It also amazes me how many of those who are posting that they shouldn't have the right are the same ones crying about "protecting the constitution".......

Posted by: Kolchak | August 16, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

spineless. caving to the right-wing noise machine.

Posted by: bandit1972 | August 16, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Harry Reid caved in to the wackos. Boo! Reid has no backbone and no principles. He will pander and pander, as long as it gets him votes.

Build the mosque, affirm religious freedom in the USA. Show the world that we stand by our Constitution and our principles. The mob doesn't rule in the USA.

This is not issue....this is a crock. Why is the media spending any time on it at all? All these BS artists are running around claiming how upsetting it is for the evil Muslims to build a cultural center with a chapel in it 2 blocks away from Ground Zero and completely invisible to it. What stake do they have in anything? They are the same people whining about the national debt, but didn't complain when Bush borrowed a trillion dollars to wage 2 foolish and futile wars in Afghanistan and Iraq without asking them to sacrifice by paying for them.

Posted by: Chagasman | August 16, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

clawrence12:

"RLUIPA doesn't prevent a Christian organization from buying the property ourselves. There are plenty of ways to stop this building."

Except that someone has already bought the property and wants to build the center.

Posted by: guez | August 16, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I guess that meas us who are opposed to this are not racists? Right Washington Post? Now that an uber-left has chimed in on our side?


Oh, that's right. Harry Reid is a racist, I forgot. Did he use at least use a "caucasion dialict" when he said they should build it elsewhere?

Posted by: FormerDemocrat | August 16, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes they have the right to build the mosque but that doesn't sit well with the people //////////

What? The people who live in the area want the building. The mayor wants the building. I think when you say 'the people' don't want it you are referring to the people who want their country back, the Michelle Bachmans and Sharron Angles of the world. In other words, the Birchers and McCarthyites.

Posted by: Keesvan | August 16, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I think we SHOULD!

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Okay, and there are others who don't, but that's not the point. The point is let them hash it out locally, which it pretty much already has been. The rest of us have absolutely no reason to get involved. 9/11 was a national tragedy to be sure, but the rest of the US didn't experience the WTC attack part of it the same way New Yorkers or other survivors of the attack did. To turn around a recent meme, the rest of us may have the right to weigh in, but whether we *should* is an entirely different question, and I personally don't think we should.

Posted by: dkp01 | August 16, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Harry Reid weighs in on N.Y. mosque: It 'should be built someplace else'
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Or not at all!!

Posted by: swavde | August 16, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I did a check of the post by dl49 above and the man is exactlry correct wether you listen to the fox crowd or not. Republicans are now against their own rule of law. There should be something new about that but sadly it is normal for the right to lean which ever way the wind blows at any given time. I wouldn't sell Obama short, they did that to Truman and he is regarded as a great president. The right idolised Reagan and he was the first to begin the economic disaster they are ranting about today. At the very bestb you might excuse the right for unintended consequences but the facts seem to lean towards a well thought out plan to pay off those who you play golf with.

Posted by: anOPINIONATEDsob | August 16, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

These people seem to mind:

http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

No problem, clawrence. And sure there are other ways to prevent it being built, but why bother? The neighborhood doesn't mind, the mayor doesn't mind, the governor doesn't mind, the local preservation commission doesn't mind. It seems like the closer you get to the site, the less people seem to mind the building's future presence, and I'd rather defer to them than to all the Angles and Reids in Nevada.

Posted by: dkp01 | August 16, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

dl49:

RLUIPA doesn't prevent a Christian organization from buying the property ourselves. There are plenty of ways to stop this building.

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, dkp01, I did not know they had already ruled. There are still other ways to prevent the building.

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Harry, how about putting the Mosque in Las Vegas?

Posted by: theaz | August 16, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

clawrence:

As a follow-up, here's a news piece on the commission giving the OK to demolish the building:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/controversial-ground-mosque-greenlight-nyc-landmarks-commission/story?id=11312791

Posted by: dkp01 | August 16, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Lost in all the political demagoguery about the proposed Muslim mosque and cultural center blocks from Ground Zero is the fact that denying zoning approval would violate one of the Republicans' favorite pieces of federal law, the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA).

Sponsored by Senator Orin Hatch and passed unanimously by both houses of Congress in July 2000, this law clearly states:

"No government shall impose or implement a land use regulation that discriminates against any assembly or institution on the basis of religion or religious denomination."

The only reason Republicans give for denying zoning approval for this center is that it is Muslim -- a religious denomination. As a long-time zoning attorney and city planner, it's extremely clear to me that denial would be a blatant violation of the federal law that these same Republicans wrote and unanimously supported ten years ago.

Now is the time to take the politics out of this discussion and bring the facts to light that a federal law adopted by a Republican Congress makes the denial the Republicans seek blatantly illegal.

And it's a crying shame that nobody in this debate is paying attention to the RLUIPA law that is at the core of how this zoning application must be decided.

I guess politics has really sunk to rock bottom.

Posted by: dl49 | August 16, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

So, all of this really isn't about principle as so many anti-republican bloggers have been stating. From Harry Reid's perspective, it is all about votes. Build it somewhere else, he says. Now what do the rest of you liberal bloggers have to say about that? Who is right Reid or Obama? Your candidates are running from this issue as fast as they can. Why? Because this is an emotional issue that transcends the law. Yes they have the right to build the mosque but that doesn't sit well with the people. Every time I look at the magazine I have showing Twin Tower workers above the burning floors waiting to die, I get angry. The iman who is building the mosque tells us we, Americans, were complicit in the 9/11 attacks. Go find the magazines from the week following 9/11 and see the Americans waiting to die. Their choice was to burn to death or jump to their deaths. Nice choice; let's hope none of us ever have to face that. What did they do to cause the attack other than go to work that day? Nothing!

Posted by: saelij | August 16, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it easy to tell that lying, hypocrite dirty-harry is up for re-election this year?

Posted by: TeaPartyPatriot | August 16, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

clawrence:

I did know that. You don't seem to know that the Landmark Commission already ruled against declaring the building a landmark, some two weeks ago. This has already been decided, the whatever-it-is is moving forward with construction.

Posted by: dkp01 | August 16, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Harry, why don't you keep your mouth shut? Do you really think that you will win any votes from the hate-mongers by declaring such a bigoted position on the mosque?

Posted by: Munir1 | August 16, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

dkp01:

Well, maybe it doesn't end up in court, neither of us know for sure. The NYC Landmark Preservation commission still hasn't ruled whether to allow the building (which was once part of a textile district surrounding City Hall). Did you know on Sept. 11, the landing gear assembly of one of the planes used in the attack crashed through the roof of this building?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/nyregion/14center.html?_r=1

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

A bit obvious don't you think?

Posted by: nychap44 | August 16, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

clawrence:

The local community has already ruled on whether they want the thing. They do. The end. There's no need to get the federal government involved, or have a federal judge rule on anything.

Posted by: dkp01 | August 16, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Here's a great assessment (from the prior thread):

"There must come a time, in a thinking society, when mothers and daughters and sisters are put beyond the wiles and whims of the lawyers and the law makers... A time when we and our leaders, both collectively and individually, have the intestinal fortitude to put what is 'right' before what is merely 'legal'.
Perhaps that time is now?"

Posted by: sullivanthepoet | August 16, 2010 3:13 PM

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

20% of American adults favor mosque near Ground Zero; 54% oppose.

Barry the inept bungler makes his pro-Mosque statement after hosting a White House dinner celebrating Muslim month of Ramadan. Way to go Barry.

You know Barry the incompetent boob Obama is political kryptonite when Harry Reid runs screaming from Barry's words.

Posted by: screwjob19 | August 16, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Time to put the nuclear waste in Yucca.

What a dirtball!

Posted by: Garak | August 16, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Angle yanks his chain and Reid immediately responds.

Posted by: tomtildrum | August 16, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

dkp01:

"Great assessment of the situation"?! Did YOU see my post about federal funds for the 9/11 Memorial or voting to confirm federal judges who could, indeed, rule on this very issue?

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

longquest, great assessment of the situation.

Posted by: dkp01 | August 16, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

lonquest:

"Standing"?! Did you see my post about federal funds for the 9/11 Memorial or voting to confirm federal judges who could, indeed, rule on this very issue?

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse


Harry is just trying to buy votes.

If he thought that he would gain a few votes, he would support a terrorist shrine at Pearl Harbor and Arlington National Cemetery.

Democrats have SOLD OUT the United States of America.

Posted by: Jerzy | August 16, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

OMGoodness -

How scared to death he must be of losing his salary... poor sad old man willing to throw his "progressiveness" to the wind for a vote.

Posted by: sally62 | August 16, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

ikeaboy:

On the prior Newt Gingrich thread, I provided several reasons why it is insensitive to build this mosque two blocks from the site of the deadliest foreign attack on U.S. soil.

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

As a federal government official, Reid has no standing to involve himself in a local debate taking place in New York city, because the federal government itself has no place in that debate. Sharron Angle has no such standing, either. Any comments made by either of these persons should b e given exactly the same weight as coments made by any other American citizen.

The federal government must follow the law, and the law is clear: the federal government may not have standing to choose sides in debates revolving around religion. Angle's insistence on speaking to this issue clearly demonstrates that she misunderstands the Constitutionally-defined roles and limitations of the federal government.

From a governance perspective, this has nothing to do with the sensibilities of the 9/11 families. Under the Constitution, there can be no federal law that could provide a basis for government intervention in this matter, on either side of the issue.

Posted by: lonquest | August 16, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Old Harry is really running scared! So is Obie!!!!!

Posted by: Jimbo77 | August 16, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

You know what position he should have taken? "I am from Nevada, not New York City, and it's none of my business."

Posted by: dkp01 | August 16, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

screwjob19:

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse


Also ask Harry Reid the Mormon if it is OK to build a Mormon temple a block away from Ground Zero.

Posted by: screwjob19 | August 16, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse


Also ask Harry Reid the Mormon if it is OK to build a Mormon temple a block away from Ground Zero.

Posted by: screwjob19 | August 16, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Hairless:

He votes for monies that could be used for (or withheld from) the 9/11 Memorial and federal judges who could rule on this issue.

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

The statement issued by Reid's office is ridiculous. It generously concedes that the First Amendment protects religious freedom but asserts that, for no stated reason, in this instance that freedom should be circumscribed. Does he really thinks that statement is going to get him votes?

Posted by: ikeaboy | August 16, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse


Harry the horse's asp Reid parts company with Barry the incompetent boob Obama.

78 days until Election Day. See you at the polls, Dims.

Posted by: screwjob19 | August 16, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The statement issued by Reid's office is ridiculous. It generously concedes that the First Amendment protects religious freedom but asserts that, for no stated reason, in this instance that freedom should be circumscribed. Does he really thinks that statement is going to get him votes?

Posted by: ikeaboy | August 16, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Harry panders for votes once again. Does anyone think he would actually do anything about this? He can take the safe position because:
a. he'll never have to cast a vote for or against the issue
b. his constituents are opposed even if he'll never have to "put his money where his mouth is"
He can take a popular stand that will never be tested.
What a man! What a leader! What a jerk!

Posted by: Hairless | August 16, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Harry panders for votes once again. Does anyone think he would actually do anything about this? He can take the safe position because:
a. he'll never have to cast a vote for or against the issue
b. his constituents are opposed even if he'll never have to "put his money where his mouth is"
He can take a popular stand that will never be tested.
What a man! What a leader! What a jerk!

Posted by: Hairless | August 16, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 16, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

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