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Obama's mosque comments ignite Sunday show debate

By Felicia Sonmez and Matt DeLong

Updated at 12:29 p.m.

President Obama's remarks Friday and Saturday on a proposed mosque and Islamic cultural center near Ground Zero sparked some heated exchanges on the Sunday morning news shows.

Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) said on CNN's "State of the Union" that the issue is not that there's a legal right to build the mosque, but that those involved should listen to public opinion, which is strongly opposed to the project. He added that Obama's remarks indicate that he "is trying to have it both ways."

"If the president was going to get into this, he should have been much more clear," King said.

Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), whose district includes Ground Zero, countered that there is a "fundamental mistake" behind the thinking of those opposed to the project.

"The fallacy is that al-Qaeda attacked us. Islam did not attack us," Nadler said. "It is only insensitive if you view Islam as the culprit, as opposed to al-Qaeda as the culprit." Nadler added that on the issue of where Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and others involved ultimately want to build the mosque, "that's up to them, and government should not pressure them one way or the other."

Also appearing on "State of the Union," Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Chris Van Hollen defended Obama's remarks.

"I agree with the president," Van Hollen said. "I think the issue is one for the people of New York City." He added that "we should all agree that it would be wrong to politicize this issue."

Chief Deputy Minority Whip Kevin McCarthy responded by questioning Obama's decision to address the mosque issue.

"If Chris is saying this is a New York issue, then why did the president engage in it?" McCarthy asked. He added that when Obama brought up the issue Friday night, "he brought up the exact location and said he supported it." McCarthy also criticized Obama for wading into the controversy over the mosque rather than spending time focusing on jobs.

Meanwhile, on "Fox News Sunday," Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.) said that the issue of the mosque will be settled by local officials. He added that troops in Afghanistan are being asked to find common ground with Muslims.

"If we can't do that here in the United States, we're going to have a very difficult time over there," Reed said, later adding that "religious tolerance is what makes this country different from a lot of other countries."

National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn responded that the issue is "not about freedom of religion."

"I do think it's unwise to build a mosque in the site where 3,000 Americans lost their lives as the result of a terrorist attack," Cornyn said, and accused Washington, the White House and President Obama of being disconnected from the mainstream of America. While Cornyn agreed with Reed that the issue will be decided by local officials, he didn't say whether the Republican Party will try to make the mosque an issue in November's midterm elections.

Republican strategist Ed Rollins didn't hesitate when asked on "Face the Nation" whether the mosque will be an issue at the ballot box.

"It's going to be a big, big issue for Democrats across this country," Rollins said.

By Felicia Sonmez and Matt DeLong  |  August 15, 2010; 11:58 AM ET
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Comments

After reading these comments, I am blown away by the ignorance and bigotry.

"Those who expect to be both ignorant and free, expect what never was and never will be."
— Thomas Jefferson

Posted by: vmi98mom | August 17, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

The political theater in this mosque kerfuffle is just fantastic. Not sure why Obama thought it would be a good idea to wade in on the issue. Maybe he can deflect criticism now by indicating that the Cambridge police are still acting stupidly. http://bethsaidafigtree.wordpress.com/2010/08/17/ground-zero-mosque-kerfuffle/

Posted by: nomasir | August 16, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

It's so sad it's almost funny how far we have fallen. The citizen today is simply feasting off the bounty that actual great men bled for. We point fingers and debate over a nation we did not earn. This nation was entrusted into our care, and we care for nothing but ourselves! The benefit we have is the benefit of dying one day. We won't be around to see just how stupid we really were. If continue to give our nation away to every immigrant that wants a hand out, wants nothing to do with our flag, what then remains? What is left to call "American"?

Posted by: swimjim101 | August 16, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

It's so sad it's almost funny how far we have fallen. The citizen today is simply feasting off the bounty that actual great men bled for. We point fingers and debate over a nation we did not earn. This nation was entrusted into our care, and we care for nothing but ourselves! The benefit we have is the benefit of dying one day. We won't be around to see just how stupid we really were. If continue to give our nation away to every immigrant that wants a hand out, wants nothing to do with our flag, what then remains? What is left to call "American"?

Posted by: swimjim101 | August 16, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

It's so sad it's almost funny how far we have fallen. The citizen today is simply feasting off the bounty that actual great men bled for. We point fingers and debate over a nation we did not earn. This nation was entrusted into our care, and we care for nothing but ourselves! The benefit we have is the benefit of dying one day. We won't be around to see just how stupid we really were. If continue to give our nation away to every immigrant that wants a hand out, wants nothing to do with our flag, what then remains? What is left to call "American"?

Posted by: swimjim101 | August 16, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) said on CNN's "State of the Union" that the issue is not that there's a legal right to build the mosque, but that those involved should listen to public opinion, which is strongly opposed to the project. He added that Obama's remarks indicate that he "is trying to have it both ways."

"If the president was going to get into this, he should have been much more clear," King said.
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Hey there is a"legal right" to be able to open up a strip club next to a school as well but it doesn't make it right does it? Obama is on purpose refusing to take a stance on it. He wants to let people interpret his comment so he can make Muslims and 9-11 families both happy.

Posted by: tbastian | August 16, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

“I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials; and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.” John F. Kennedy- portion of speech; 9/12/60

1960 Presidential Campaign... the Republican scare tactic THAT year was; He's a Catholic you know... he'll be taking his orders from the pope! We can't have that in America- land of the free, home of the brave (W.A.S.P.)- Editorial comment added by me. Kennedy felt the need to respond about his personal religious beliefs because the traditional "O.M.G.- we-got-trouble-my-friends-for(us)-Real-Americans;-the world is coming to an end and-we're all-going-to-die-if JFK- gets-elected" tactics of the Regressive Party was working on a significant portion of the (Absolutely BRILLIANT) electorate. And just think... that was well before Faux News.

Who knew that 50 years later the fundamentalists (of ALL persuasions) would still be talking shi*! I think I prefer Jon Stewaret's take on it... http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/tue-august-10-2010-jason-bateman

I am Soooo Glad I'm a Liberal and have managed to avoid fundie group-think for the most part. I think I owe it all to my ability to restrict close contact with other members of our species!

Posted by: minorth30 | August 16, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

NOW AMERICA SINCE WHENDID ALL OF NEW YORK BECOME SACRED GROUND> It hasn't, but you can see how bigotry can easily raise it's Racist head in unusual ways Americans can chuck their values so easily.The President did not discuss the WISDOM of putting the mosque there, but no one is DISCUSSING THAT. Even the PRESS is Hypocritical

Posted by: ruebenscott | August 16, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

The crazed religionists who feel the Obama presidency hails the end of the world cry, "God help us!" The crazed religionists who slammed into the World Trade Center shouted, "God is great!" If there is a god, she is crying.

Posted by: blzebub23 | August 16, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The Mosque is not being built "on ground zero" it is being built "near" ground zero. What sensitivity issue is there exactly? You shouldn't have Muslims worshipping anywhere near this site because why?

Muslims also died in the 9/11 attacks. They have died fighting for this country after those attacks. So, they have to be more sensitive because the terrorism doesn't affect them? It affects them even more than it does others. The Muslim religion was the one hijacked. It was hijacked and used to terrorize the US. By allowing such a discussion, the US further aggravates and alienates Muslims throughout the US and feeds the fire the radical Muslims in al Qaeda started on 9/11.

This is a country that embraces religious freedom and accepts everyone regardless of their faith. Stop mixing politics and religion. That is a very bad combination. We have separated them in this country for a very, very good reason.

The 9/11 site can be hallowed ground without making everything "near it" off limits to certain people. When did Moslems stop being American citizens? These protests say more about the US values, principles and ideals then they do about the radicals who attacked us. Why exacerbate a problem and allow this issue to feed the distrust and hate inside this country? Where does that get us?

Posted by: PJW5552 | August 16, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

He continues to dip into issues that do not warrant his personal nor his presidential opinions being publicly stated.

Posted by: lltroy | August 16, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Anyone with a desire to learn and to grow, to take their career to a new level or start a new career altogether has the opportunity to pursue their dream should go back to school http://bit.ly/a45y6d

Posted by: rogercrew16 | August 16, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

As Reagen said to Gorbachev (with a little paraphrasing), Barack Hussein Obama, tear down this mosque. The mosque is the symbol of an evil empire, Islam, older and more evil than the Soviet Union. Obama is a leader of that empire and loyal to it and to its evil.

Posted by: OldAtlantic | August 15, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse


Recently announced..
At Ramadan dinner, Obama defends plans for Ground Zero mosque
President Obama on Friday forcefully joined the national debate over construction of an Islamic complex near New York's Ground Zero, telling guests at a White House dinner marking the holy month of Ramadan that opposing the project is at odds with American values.
By Michael D. Shear and Scott Wilson

What are we to make of this?

Posted by: Gonzage1

One thing we can make of it is that Shear and Wilson's purported paraphrase sacrificed accurate reporting to stirring up the rabble. But that seems to be what "journalists" do these days.

Posted by: chaos1 | August 15, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Cordoba House: A mosque too near.

Obama is a hostile Muslim alien who simply let his enthusiasm for our defeat go to far. He was with his Muslim brethren at the White House and he simply went further than he should have in a country at war with Islam. Now he wants to take it back.

We would be fools to let him lie his way out of this one. This was a mosque too near for Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: OldAtlantic | August 15, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps if Obama was smart and a real American leader he would have had the courage to tell his Muslim audience "In America we have 'freedom of religion' so you can build your mosque where you want to, but we also have sensitivity towards others. Perhaps considering building your mosque somewhere else would show more effort on your part to show your sincere regrets to the survivors of the 9/11 trajedy carried out by a terrorist sect of your religion and be evidence of your apology to them". Is this a 'gift' or a "Trojan Horse'. I feel many are asking this question and do not know the answer.

Posted by: dbothroydearthlinknet | August 15, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Pearl Harbor
1 Arizona Memorial Rd, Honolulu, HI 96818-3103

Here's a tip: Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

Posted by: chaos1 | August 15, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse
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My friend, have you ever been to Hawaii? Honolulu is 10 MILES from Pearl Harbor.

FYI: Arizona Memorial Rd is within walking distance of the Stadium and across the bay from Pearl Harbor.

It might be in your best interest to heed your own advice.

Posted by: asmith1

Have *you* ever been to Honolulu?

The facts:

"The City and County of Honolulu is a consolidated city–county located in the U.S. state of Hawaii. The municipality and county includes both the urban district of Honolulu (the state's largest city and capital) and the rest of the island of Oʻahu."

Or are you still standing by your original claims: that there are no Shinto temples on Oahu, and that Honolulu is not on Oahu?

Posted by: chaos1 | August 15, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Cordoba House is a chance for Muslims to tell America that they despise AlQaeda as much as everyone else, for perpetrating murder under the banner of Islam. Does it make Americans feel better to believe that AlQaeda are real practicing Muslims as opposed to fanatics? Because that is ludicrous beyond words. It demonstrates a lack of intelligence. Do you realize that there are a billion and a half Muslims in the world? Good, God-fearing people who love their fellow man. Can anyone with a shred of intellect truly believe that the 2nd largest monotheistic religion in the world teaches its adherence to hate and murder? I'm just reading ignorance, and hatred which rivals that of any other fanatic. Islam has been around since the 6th century. If AlQaeda fulfills the true teachings of Islam, why did it only reach American soil in 2001? Why hasn't America been at war with Muslims since 1776?

Posted by: 4549 | August 15, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Recently announced..
At Ramadan dinner, Obama defends plans for Ground Zero mosque
President Obama on Friday forcefully joined the national debate over construction of an Islamic complex near New York's Ground Zero, telling guests at a White House dinner marking the holy month of Ramadan that opposing the project is at odds with American values.
By Michael D. Shear and Scott Wilson

What are we to make of this?

For a fellow who sat for 20 years
In the congregation ministered to by Reverend Wright
Defense of Islam is perhaps understandable,
Especially in its plans for a mosque near the 9/11 site.

After all, his pastor of record
Gave al Queda supporters worldwide, a boost,
By declaring with evident conviction
"America's chickens simply came home to roost".

Like Rev. Wright, albeit somewhat less colorfully,
The imam behind the mosque has similarly voiced a belief
That America had some blame in connection with the 9/ll murders--
And has now been endorsed, at least indirectly, by the commander-in-chief.

This Potus is singularly indisposed
To take issue with folks in his past
Who left on his psyche an "indelible imprint"
(One not amenable to easy removal, destined to last).

Still he's got a right to change his mind.

Obama: Backing Muslims' right to build NYC mosque is not an endorsement
One day after President Obama defended the freedom of Muslims to build an Islamic complex near New York's Ground Zero, he offered a less forceful version of that position on Saturday: Yes, Muslims have that right, Obama said -- but that doesn't mean he believes it is the right thing for them to do.

Of course, it was Sen. Kerry who famously demurred
"I voted for it before I voted against it".
And now erstwhile Sen. Obama is not sure a mosque near 9/11 is a good thing,
But reiterates that he's not necessarily against it.

But he can't help being what he is any more than can, say, thee or me.

Posted by: Gonzage1 | August 15, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Recently announced..
At Ramadan dinner, Obama defends plans for Ground Zero mosque
President Obama on Friday forcefully joined the national debate over construction of an Islamic complex near New York's Ground Zero, telling guests at a White House dinner marking the holy month of Ramadan that opposing the project is at odds with American values.
By Michael D. Shear and Scott Wilson

What are we to make of this?

For a fellow who sat for 20 years
In the congregation ministered to by Reverend Wright
Defense of Islam is perhaps understandable,
Especially in its plans for a mosque near the 9/11 site.

After all, his pastor of record
Gave al Queda supporters worldwide, a boost,
By declaring with evident conviction
"America's chickens simply came home to roost".

Like Rev. Wright, albeit somewhat less colorfully,
The imam behind the mosque has similarly voiced a belief
That America had some blame in connection with the 9/ll murders--
And has now been endorsed, at least indirectly, by the commander-in-chief.

This Potus is singularly indisposed
To take issue with folks in his past
Who left on his psyche an "indelible imprint"
(One not amenable to easy removal, destined to last).

Still he's got a right to change his mind.

Obama: Backing Muslims' right to build NYC mosque is not an endorsement
One day after President Obama defended the freedom of Muslims to build an Islamic complex near New York's Ground Zero, he offered a less forceful version of that position on Saturday: Yes, Muslims have that right, Obama said -- but that doesn't mean he believes it is the right thing for them to do.

Of course, it was Sen. Kerry who famously demurred
"I voted for it before I voted against it".
And now erstwhile Sen. Obama is not sure a mosque near 9/11 is a good thing,
But reiterates that he's not necessarily against it.

But he can't help being what he is any more than can, say, thee or me.

Posted by: Gonzage1 | August 15, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

"You are saying that since Al Qaeda claims to kill in the name of Islam, then all forms of Islam are to blame."

Yep, pretty much.

Posted by: NoWayNotNow | August 15, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

On the wisdom of Obama's comments, there is little to say. He first attempted to be "Kennedyesque," then did a rapid about face, which undermined his credibility. Abrupt turnarounds work well for no political figure as the formerly widely respected John McCain amply demonstrates. Before speaking the president should have examined carefully all points of agreement and consensus.

As to the right of Rauf and Kahn to erect the Center, there is no doubt. They are acting within the guidelines of local laws and they are Constitutionally protected. The disagreement rests with sensitivity, appropriateness, and taste.

These are the issues around which the debate should focus.

Posted by: farnaz_mansouri2 | August 15, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Tell them what they want to hear! This is a man who loves the sound of his voice and the applause of the audience. Too bad his inexperience is showing badly in a time when we need real leadership of interity, honesty and ability.

Posted by: dbothroydearthlinknet | August 15, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Hussein Odumbo is the first anti-American President we've ever had.

God help us.

Posted by: Smarg | August 15, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Cordoba House is a Mosque de Triomphe as the French call it. Obama gave his talk at a celebratory dinner of Muslims who cheered. This was given and taken as celebrating the Mosque de Triomphe.

The triumph was 9/11. Thus Obama was intentionally and knowingly celebrating 9/11 as a Muslim victory. This was how the audience understood it and cheered it.

Posted by: OldAtlantic | August 15, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget republicans love Muslims because they think almost alike, the radical type anyways. They want their religion ruling over the masses whether they want it or not. Look how far back the Bush's went with the Saudi royalty, Bush Sr. was in the CIA.

Here's a picture to prove it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/911review/293457625/

Posted by: whatdyousay | August 15, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

A Opponent said-

"The issue here is whether or not they have a right to build it wherever they want. They don't.

We would not let a white separatist group build an information center smack in the middle of the Gettysburg battlefield"
........................................

Your analogy and logic makes no sense.

For it to be true, you are saying that Al Qaeda is the same thing as Members of the New York Mosque. You are saying that New York Muslims are terrorist.

You are saying that both practice the same violent jiadist brand of Islam.

You are saying that since Al Qaeda claims to kill in the name of Islam, then all forms of Islam are to blame.

Posted by: yarbrougharts | August 15, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I agree entirely with President Obama belief that the law has no objection about whether a Mosque is built at or near ground zero of the collapsed World Trade Center. However, the building of a Mosque at this location and at this time is questionable, even if the decision was approved and endorsed by local official like NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

This is because a mosque is supposed to be a place for Muslim worshippers to give up their worldly possessions and come to communicate with God. New York City is best known as a place that worships MCC: Money, Capitalism, and Consumerism. These values are a stark contrast to Islamic values. It is like you are trying to preach Christian values of humility and charity on the Strip of Las Vegas. You won’t get a lot of followers in such place.

On the other hand, Muhammad and his followers were very patient fellows. Their history showed that they eventually overcame their enemy in Mecca who worshipped Arabian pagan gods, and that they turned it into a holy city of Islam.

Posted by: mnguyen4 | August 15, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse


"Build understanding with Islam...", BHO.

Build understanding? Do YOU, the American Citizen, understand how YOU will be kneeling 5 times a day towards Mecca soon, especially with their SPONSOR AND AGENT living and working for them in YOUR White House?

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Posted by: notinny | August 15, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't it Muslims who screamed "Allahu Akbar!" before slamming planes into three buildings and a field and then killing 3,000 people?

Oh, wait, that was Al Qaeda, wasn't it?

But I thought we were relying on "faulty intelligence" when we went after Al Qaeda?

And isn't every member of Al Qaeda Muslim?

They can take their mosque and their "religion of peace" and stuff it into some camel's behind. They will NEVER be fully embraced in this country with their backwards, violent and woman-hating religion.

Posted by: NoWayNotNow | August 15, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Those opposed to the mosque are short-sighted and wish to perpetuate the very hatred which caused 911. Hatred just fuels more hatred and the cycle just goes on and on. Islam was also hijacked on Sept. 11, by a bunch of radial lunatics that died in vain for a sick political agenda. Perhaps this mosque should be seen as an opportunity for Muslims to reclaim their faith and show Americans, particularly New Yorkers, that they were just as betrayed by Al Qaeda. Islam does not inspire terrorism and it is time America realized that. But every time the moderate Muslims of the world try to stand up and tell people that, they are silenced or mocked. And the cycle goes on and on and on. Listen to what the "true" Muslims of the world have to say. Let them shake off the stench of these radical psychopaths who have dragged their religion through the mire. Let the true Muslims show you the true Islam and let the terrorists of the world be seen for what they really are. They could not possibly fear any god.

Posted by: 4549 | August 15, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

If this wasn't so appalling it would be laughable.
What planet does Obama live on?
It's certainly not planet Earth.
Has Obama ever been to the United States?
Has he ever heard of 9/11?
Does political correctness mean more to him that what is right?
How long before he says that George Bush made him say it?

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | August 15, 2010 6:03 PM
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It's not political correctness but the constitution of these United States the President is supposed to defend. But it's not about hallowed ground, it's about hating another group of people because they scare you and your type because they're different. You don't hear anyone complaining when they build a Christian church near a school right? You don't punish a whole group because a couple bad seeds, it's not the American way.

Bush will be blamed for at least the next 50 years for the disaster he was so get used to it. Worst president of all time.

Posted by: whatdyousay | August 15, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight, On 9/11 Religious Fanatics attacked USA and tried to intimidate people and society to behave like cowards, xenophobes,bigots hoping to justify their evil act with reactionary behavior of Americans.Now after 9 years of wait It almost seems like they are getting what they hoped for, what a shame!

Posted by: ronin12 | August 15, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

An important function of government in a constitutional democracy is to protect minorities from oppression by the majority. It may well be that the majority of Americans oppose the building of a mosque in this location -- and so what? What they are doing is perfectly legal and has the approval of the relevant local authorities. There's really nothing more to say.

Posted by: tenor | August 15, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

President's statement is an insult to America and American people. King Barack Hussein will not comment on "the wisdom of making the decision" or the stupidity of... American president against American people. Pathetic!

Posted by: jmk55 | August 15, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

An important function of government in a constitutional democracy is protect minorities from oppression by the majority. It may well be that the majority of Americans oppose the building of a mosque in this location -- and so what? What they are doing is perfectly legal and has the approval of the relevant local authorities. There's really nothing more to say.

Posted by: tenor | August 15, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse


So, all the investigative sleuth journalists are out there right now trying to find out just WHO is funding the WTC Islamic Victory Mosque.

Is it the Saudis? The Iranians?

I'm telling you right now that, YOU, THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER will pay for the Mosque that MOCKS YOU. Obunker is really an enemy sympathizer is and will GIVE TARP money to "build understanding" with Islam.

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Posted by: notinny | August 15, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

"Please explain how this violates the US Constitution.
Posted by: askgees | August 15, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, then, why else would wingnuts like you protest a community center being built on private property? Your opportunistic offended sensibilities are meaningless and are only part of an attempt to browbeat these people to waive their Constitutional rights. You care nothing for their Constitutional rights because to rightwingers, Muslim Americans have no rights.

Now go away, you disgust me.

Posted by: TexasMike"

You are a mongoloid.

Posted by: garrafa10 | August 15, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

"Freedom of religion and private property...are Republicans saying people don't have the right to build what they want on their own property, taking into consideration zoning laws? How un-American of them!

It's just more xenophobia and prejudice.

I hope they build the mosque.

On several anniversaries of 9/11, I've prayed, along with many people of many faiths, in the mosque at the Islamic Center in Washington, DC. It's a beautiful experience to be united with so many people with the intention of peace and lovingkindness.

Posted by: org2"

You are an excellent candidate for extraordinary rendition, preferably to the Ethiopian Security Services. They are less squeamish than your compatriots.

Posted by: garrafa10 | August 15, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I was just wondering, why does our president seem to attend every Muslim event, but refuses to go to Christian events?

Just wondering.

Posted by: FormerDemocrat | August 15, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

So he was for the 9-11 Victory Mosque before he was against it? Or was he against it before he was for it? Or is he just plain for it?

Posted by: JCM-51 | August 15, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Why is that Islamic community in New YOrk City expect that they have fundamental rights to build mosque at the location they feel most suited to their objectives? If they think US constitution grants such rights, due to seperation of church and state, and other rights granted by the constitution, fine. Can they then educate islamic countries worldwide to respect religious rights of minority in their countries? Why is that countries like Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, where minority christians, Hindus, and other religions are persecuted, made their lives very difficult, and so on? Two weeks ago, on CBS 60 Minutes, there was a case of Orthodox Greek Christian group, whose church was closed by Turkish Govt and Turkish Parliament had passed laws making their lives more difficult. Turkish Govt. denies such actions.

Also, in Iraq, a while ago, on ABC - 20/20 there was a story about minority christians there who were subjected to very hard life. In Pakistan recently, two Cchristians family were shot to death.

Why can not the Ismalic community in the USA, particularly, the New York group take lead and start discussing with Govt of Islamic nations and bring about religion tolerance in those countries?

If they can bring religion tolerance to those countries and rights of minorities are strongly upheld, then I am sure public opinion in the USA, and in New York will be favorable.

Islamic communities in the USA expect that all other ethnic group respect their rights, religion freedom, and so on. However, no such rights are upheld or practised in all islamic counties because of their religious doctrines.

The New York Governor offered a different site to build their mosque but they declined that offer.

I do not know what are their reasons to insist on that particular location but I think now is the time for Islamic community to start taking lead and convince Govt and religious officials in Middle East countries to show tolerance and upheld rights of minority groups.

Show us their good-will and religion tolerance, I am sure US people will be more receptive to their rights here in the USA.

Posted by: specialtychem | August 15, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

the elephant in the room–obama’s islamic worldview

obama’s timely demand for a mosque at ground zero to honor the 19 moslem jihad “martyrs” who killed 3,000 americans

at the scene of the crime

has propelled the obama islamic factor to the surface

obama spent his crucial early formative years in moslem indonesia. obama himself has spoken of the moslem call to prayers broadcast 5 times every day.

Zogby conducted a poll of moslem perception of america in 2002 in, and while half of most moslem countries had a favorable view of america, indonesia, along with iran, did not. this is the hate america environment in which obama was immersed during his impressionable young years. remember moses was only raised by his jewish mother until he was weaned, and then in pharaohs house until manhood–yet moses was always jewish-- not egyptian. so it is with obama’s islamic roots.

obama’s exposure to anti american sentiment was voluntarily reinforced by his conscious selection of rev. jeremiah’s church for over 20 years, where anti-american venom was spewed every sunday.

consistent with this islamic worldview, obama selected a wife who famously said during the campaign that this was the first time she was ever proud to be an american.

another factor which will dictate obama’s future actions and is compelled by obama’s islamic worldview, is the fundamentally anti-democratic basis of islam. islamic countries tend to be monarchies or democracies in form only. hence, obama will have and act upon a basic visceral anti democracy worldview, summarized by “one person, one vote, one time”.

interestingly, moslems under islamic regimes, immediately seek to emigrate and indeed 85% of all refugees are moslem. why, if islamic rule is so great??

finally, moslems are permitted and indeed encourages to conceal their religious identity to avoid persecution.

how will this effect obama’s future actions?

1. obama will viscerally oppose israel and particularly jerusalem, as moslems prayed to jerusalem before mecca was selected. israel should NOT take any comfort from jewish advisors to obama–obama will oppose israel.

2. obama is at best indifferent to democracy, and-unbelievably- we have a president who is inherently hostile to the united states.

3. obama will become increasingly intolerant of dissent, free speech, free enterprise–much less opposition, consistent with islamic anti democratic and socialistic norms.

Posted by: ProCounsel | August 15, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

"seditionists and traitors"?

The individual who wrote this clearly doesn't know that this is repetitive.

What is it with these looney left-wing liberals currently running the Democratic Party calling people names just because their policies are challenged?
Pathetic.
You normal Democrats need to take your party back from these extremists.
Until then, this independent votes anything but Democratic.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall
=================================
DUDE are you are Racially Challenged
You validate it
with your own words
then
run and hide from it.

YOU Hit like a COWARD !!

ISA

Posted by: vettessman | August 15, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

obama throws drowning dem house members

a thousand pound anchor

in tight reelection races when dear leader endorsed

the ground zero mosque to honor the 19 muslim hijackers
who murdered 3,000 americans

so why didn’t obama just say it was a nyc matter??

because obama's presidency is in free fall FAILURE.

A failed embittered Presidency can be extremely dangerous--
so a profile of Obama's like FUTURE actions is critical.

In his monumental work "Hitler and Stalin" Alan Bullock notes both Hitler and Stalin were narcissists. ProCounsel is NOT stating Obama is either Hitler or Stalin. But his analysis, written long before Obama's ascendancy, is a useful model.

Bullock explains narcissism on page 11:

"In such a state only the person himself, his needs,feelings and thoughts, everything and and everybody as they relate to him are experienced as fully real, while everybody and everything otherwise lacks reality or interest."

Bullock describes the effects of narcissism and provides a predictive model useful for Obama on page 343:

"Narcissistic personalities are convinced of their special qualities and their superiority over others, and any threat to this self image--such as being criticized, shown up, or defeated--produces a violent outrage and often a desire for revenge."

Bullock cites 3 psychological reactions Stalin used to guard his narcissistic self image. Bullock credits Robert Tucker for these insights on page 356. The 3 reactions to expect for the Obama profile would be:

1. Repression–simply blankly deny the truth, no matter how obvious or even if caught on video

2. Rationalization-Admit but use the fault as proof of his zeal

3. Projection-Obama will attribute to others the motives and attitudes he refuses to admit in himself

Ironically, per the Profile Dems in the House and Senate will be in much more danger from a wounded irrelevant White House than the Republicans, as Obama will deem the Dems unworthy of him--THEY failed NOT him.

Stalin divided by class, Hitler divided by “race.” Obama divides by class and race.

Obama is in the bunker.

And when narcissists are going down, they want everyone and everything to fail.

The decline and destruction of obama has just begun.

Posted by: ProCounsel | August 15, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

obama throws drowning dem house members

a thousand pound anchor

in tight reelection races when dear leader endorsed

the ground zero mosque to honor the 19 muslim hijackers
who murdered 3,000 americans

so why didn’t obama just say it was a nyc matter??

because obama's presidency is in free fall FAILURE.

A failed embittered Presidency can be extremely dangerous--
so a profile of Obama's like FUTURE actions is critical.

In his monumental work "Hitler and Stalin" Alan Bullock notes both Hitler and Stalin were narcissists. ProCounsel is NOT stating Obama is either Hitler or Stalin. But his analysis, written long before Obama's ascendancy, is a useful model.

Bullock explains narcissism on page 11:

"In such a state only the person himself, his needs,feelings and thoughts, everything and and everybody as they relate to him are experienced as fully real, while everybody and everything otherwise lacks reality or interest."

Bullock describes the effects of narcissism and provides a predictive model useful for Obama on page 343:

"Narcissistic personalities are convinced of their special qualities and their superiority over others, and any threat to this self image--such as being criticized, shown up, or defeated--produces a violent outrage and often a desire for revenge."

Bullock cites 3 psychological reactions Stalin used to guard his narcissistic self image. Bullock credits Robert Tucker for these insights on page 356. The 3 reactions to expect for the Obama profile would be:

1. Repression–simply blankly deny the truth, no matter how obvious or even if caught on video

2. Rationalization-Admit but use the fault as proof of his zeal

3. Projection-Obama will attribute to others the motives and attitudes he refuses to admit in himself

Ironically, per the Profile Dems in the House and Senate will be in much more danger from a wounded irrelevant White House than the Republicans, as Obama will deem the Dems unworthy of him--THEY failed NOT him.

Stalin divided by class, Hitler divided by “race.” Obama divides by class and race.

Obama is in the bunker.

And when narcissists are going down, they want everyone and everything to fail.

The decline and destruction of obama has just begun.

Posted by: ProCounsel | August 15, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Pearl Harbor
1 Arizona Memorial Rd, Honolulu, HI 96818-3103

Here's a tip: Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

Posted by: chaos1 | August 15, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse
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My friend, have you ever been to Hawaii? Honolulu is 10 MILES from Pearl Harbor.

FYI: Arizona Memorial Rd is within walking distance of the Stadium and across the bay from Pearl Harbor.

It might be in your best interest to heed your own advice.

Posted by: asmith1 | August 15, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

"seditionists and traitors"?

The individual who wrote this clearly doesn't know that this is repetitive.

What is it with these looney left-wing liberals currently running the Democratic Party calling people names just because their policies are challenged?
Pathetic.
You normal Democrats need to take your party back from these extremists.
Until then, this independent votes anything but Democratic.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall
=================================
DUDE are you are Racially Challenged
YOu validate it woith your own words then they and hide from it.

YOU Hit like a COWARD !!

ISA

Posted by: vettessman | August 15, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

"seditionists and traitors"?

The individual who wrote this clearly doesn't know that this is repetitive.

What is it with these looney left-wing liberals currently running the Democratic Party calling people names just because their policies are challenged?
Pathetic.
You normal Democrats need to take your party back from these extremists.
Until then, this independent votes anything but Democratic.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | August 15, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Many of the writers of these indignant comments insist that they are totally without prejudice. They do this after consistently misrepresenting the facts about the nature and location of the proposed Muslim Center in New York, about the motives of the sponsors, etc. And then they lump together without distinction Al Qaeda terrorists, Muslim nationalists, moderate Sufis and the broad range of Sunni and Shi’a Muslims around the world as the approximately 2 million Muslim Americans with one consistent theme: All Muslim Americans (or at least most of them) are potential terrorists who want to engage in "Jihad," all Muslim Americans (or at least most of them) hate America, all Muslim Americans (or at least most of them) want to establish Sharia law and somehow dominate and humiliate Americans.

Well, my definition of bigotry is straight from Webster’s dictionary: it is an “irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion.” And a bigot is someone “obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial, religious or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.”

The most vicious and hate-filled of these commentators will never be able to recognize their motives, but I hope that some of the people who are caught up in this irrational scapegoating of American Muslims will someday look back with shame on their actions.

Posted by: SmokyMountainCarpenter | August 15, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

My question is why was this property selected above all other options available?

Posted by: hakafos44 | August 15, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

So when does construction begin on the largest Christian church ever to grace a Muslim country?

Posted by: NoWayNotNow | August 15, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

USA 2010=Minority Rule

Gotta love it.

Posted by: BadNews | August 15, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

The President is absolutely correct. He has sworn to protect and obey the Constitution and our laws. That is what his statements reflect. The problem here is the insensitivity of the Muslim community to choose to build in this location. I do not believe the mosque is meant to heal but to agitate. Well, they have won. Sadly, this stupid decision will bring more violence to Ground Zero.

Posted by: pjohn2 | August 15, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

If this wasn't so appalling it would be laughable.
What planet does Obama live on?
It's certainly not planet Earth.
Has Obama ever been to the United States?
Has he ever heard of 9/11?
Does political correctness mean more to him that what is right?
How long before he says that George Bush made him say it?

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | August 15, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

RepuBPlicans want to overthrow the Constitution for Huckabee's twisted, Leviticus cherry-picked version of "God's Standard" They are seditionists and traitors.

Lord Cheney trampled on the Fourth and Fifth Amendments with their fear mongering. Now they attack the First and want to repeal the Fourteenth.

Their attack on the First Amendment here is reminiscent of those who manipulated others with fear to put American Japanise citizens in concentration camps.

Evengelical theocracy is coming to America with a Glock in one hand and a Bible opened to Leviticus in the other. (with apologies to Sinclair Lewis)

Posted by: areyousaying | August 15, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Mosque comments ignite debate?


More like Mosque comments ignite derision. If there is any debate taking place, it is between the 70 percent who disagree with our Minority ruled government, and that 30 percent who's rule evidently is to not be questioned.


Once again, Obama sticks his finger in the wind, determines what the American people want, and chooses the opposite direction. The man is so far out of touch with the American people, it is not even funny.

Posted by: FormerDemocrat | August 15, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

DOUBLE STANDARD OF US POLICIES....KILLING MUSLIMS ALL OVER THE WORLD.....MOSQUE ON GROUND ZERO...SAB BAKWAS

Posted by: islam786 | August 15, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Freedom of religion and private property...are Republicans saying people don't have the right to build what they want on their own property, taking into consideration zoning laws? How un-American of them!

It's just more xenophobia and prejudice.

I hope they build the mosque.

On several anniversaries of 9/11, I've prayed, along with many people of many faiths, in the mosque at the Islamic Center in Washington, DC. It's a beautiful experience to be united with so many people with the intention of peace and lovingkindness.

Posted by: org2 | August 15, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

There goes Obama again - appeasing America's enemies and sticking it to American citizens. America needs a strong moral President, not this limp-wristed, inexperienced socialist community organizer.

Posted by: Realist201 | August 15, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Americans (and I assume these folks wanting to build the Mosque are American citizens) have a right to build wherever they want--it is what freedom is all about, but sometimes common sense needs to prevail, for example, an abortion clinic has the legal right to build next to a Catholic Church or a gay bar can build next to a Mosque: but it is probably not a good idea even though it is legal.

Posted by: tonyjm | August 15, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

All of Christiandom is not to blame for the acts of crazy Christians who kill in the name of Christ. All of Islam is not to blame from the acts of crazy individual Muslims who kill in the name of their Prophet?

We should not enshrine our prejudice against Islam any more than we should create a prejudice against all Christiandom because of a few crazy individuals.

Posted by: amelia45 | August 15, 2010 5:34
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And there are no christian shrines at these sites either - yet they have the constitutional and zoning rights to build them.

This is about respect for the people who died at the hands of their crazy brothers and sisters, and the friends and families whose lifes are changed forever.

At no time in the history of our country has a group of people, acting in the name of relgion, murdered so many and then demanded their right to build a shrine to their work.

When you brush away all the facades, that IS what this mosque represents.

If Muslims are sincere about reaching out to non-Muslim Americans, they can do it anywhere -- it does not have to be within a few blocks of the site where their radical brothers went on a killiing spree.

If Muslims are sincere about distancing themselves from their radical brothers, let them speak out pubicly against them (by name) and the religious leaders who encourage them to murder in the name of Allah.

Posted by: asmith1 | August 15, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Cornyn said, and accused Washington, the White House and President Obama of being disconnected from the mainstream of America.
------

It's the difference between pandering and leading, between having no principles and standing on your principles, even when there's a political cost to pay.

Go Obama!

Posted by: j3hess | August 15, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"If you refer to any travel guide for the island of Oahu, you will not find a Shinto or Buddhist temple listed among the directory of churches."

Posted by: asmith1

Nice try. Shinto:

Izumo Taishakyo Mission
215 North Kukui Street, Honolulu
(808) 538-7778

Hawaii Kotohira Jinsha - Hawaii Dazaifu Tenmangu
www.e-shrine.org
1239 Olomea Street, Honolulu
(808) 841-4755

Posted by: chaos1 | August 15, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

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I said Oahu not Honolulu

Honolulu is to Oahu like NJ is to NYC. I believe the good people of NYC would not care a whit if the Muslims wanted to build their mosque in Trenton.

Geography wasn't your strong suit was it?

Posted by: asmith1

Genius, Honolulu is the biggest city in Oahu. You know, sort of like NYC is the biggest city in New York.

Pearl Harbor
1 Arizona Memorial Rd, Honolulu, HI 96818-3103

Here's a tip: Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

Posted by: chaos1 | August 15, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Here are a few questions for Peter King and the rest of his ilk:

1. Should the 50 or so Muslims who were killed on 9/11 (including one NYPD Cadet) have their names removed from the planned memorial?

2. Should their families be prevented from praying for the souls of their dead at the place where they were murdered by Al Qaeda?

3. Should Muslims be barred from renting space or working in the “Freedom Tower” once it is completed?

4. Should we revise the pledge of allegiance to change the words “with liberty and justice for all” to read “with liberty and justice for everyone except Muslims”?

5. Should we stop referring to the current unpleasantness as the “war on terror” and start calling the conflict what you believe it to be, i.e., “America’s War Against Islam”?

I’d appreciate honest answers.

Posted by: codexjust1 | August 15, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Please explain how this violates the US Constitution.
Posted by: askgees | August 15, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse
Well, then, why else would wingnuts like you protest a community center being built on private property? Your opportunistic offended sensibilities are meaningless and are only part of an attempt to browbeat these people to waive their Constitutional rights. You care nothing for their Constitutional rights because to rightwingers, Muslim Americans have no rights.
Now go away, you disgust me.
Posted by: TexasMike | August 15, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse


LOL listen to yourself.

Where did I state my opnion on the subject. All I did was state that this is not a constitutional issue.

Your explination proves you have little understanding of the constitution.

Stup1d is as stup1d does…..

Posted by: askgees | August 15, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

This is as bad as the white 'long knives' building their churches in Sioux City. Uh-oh, I guess they did. No, this is as bad as the Catholic Church building churches in Canaan. Well, not a good example. This is like going to war with a country just because you want to steal the southwest from them. No, not that either. I guess this is like building a house of worship in America because we are the land of the free.

Posted by: Keesvan | August 15, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

This is as bad as the white 'long knives' building their churches in Sioux City. Uh-oh, I guess they did. No, this is as bad as the Catholic Church building churches in Canaan. Well, not a good example. This is like going to war with a country just because you want to steal the southwest from them. No, not that either. I guess this is like building a house of worship in America because we are the land of the free.

Posted by: Keesvan | August 15, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Please explain how this violates the US Constitution.
Posted by: askgees | August 15, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, then, why else would wingnuts like you protest a community center being built on private property? Your opportunistic offended sensibilities are meaningless and are only part of an attempt to browbeat these people to waive their Constitutional rights. You care nothing for their Constitutional rights because to rightwingers, Muslim Americans have no rights.

Now go away, you disgust me.

Posted by: TexasMike | August 15, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Michael Frederick Griffin, Paul Jennings Hill, John Salvi, Eric Robert Rudolph, James Kopp, Shelly Shannon.

Do you recognize these names? They are Christian terrorists who killed others because their faith told them they should.

Now think of the ones who committed those killings on 9/11. They were Islamic terrorists.

Or, for both the Christian terrorists and the Islamic terrorists, wasn't this really a case of crazed people who committed terrible acts that they are individually responsible for?

All of Christiandom is not to blame for the acts of crazy Christians who kill in the name of Christ. All of Islam is not to blame from the acts of crazy individual Muslims who kill in the name of their Prophet?

We should not enshrine our prejudice against Islam any more than we should create a prejudice against all Christiandom because of a few crazy individuals.

Posted by: amelia45 | August 15, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

To all the self-righteous commenters on this site who are mourning the loss of civility in this country, here's a thought: OBAMA IS AN IDIOT! PELOSI IS AN IDIOT! REID IS AN IDIOT! THE DEMOCRATS ARE IDIOTS!

BOYCOTT NEVADA IF REID IS REELECTED! BOYCOTT NEVADA IF REID IS REELECTED!
BOYCOTT NEVADA IF REID IS REELECTED!

Posted by: georges2 | August 15, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Of course right wingers believe in the US Constitution, with exceptions based on their own ignorance and irrational fears.
And the funniest part is, they are too stupid to understand the irony of claiming how much they LOVE the document while ignoring the first amendment.
Typical of the mindless followers of Glen Beck and Fox News.
Posted by: BirchMan | August 15, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse
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Republicans-We demand that the Constitution be adhered to*, and we've got the American Flag lapel pins to prove it!
*Except for the 1st and 14th amendments and the parts that prevent us from imposing our lifestyle choices on everyone. And the part about free speech and, well, any part with freedom in it, generally.
Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | August 15, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse
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I have to agree with those 2 intelligent individuals and their posts.
It saddens me that we have a great percentage of under educated, stupid, racist haters posting their learned FOX lies over and over without a chance to talk some real sense into their brainless little heads (which are confined tightly in the depths of their fat and ugly behinds}
Posted by: mackiejw | August 15, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse
And yet somehow being an id10t you overlook the fact that this isn’t a constitutional issue. But feel free to continue making a fool of yourself…

Posted by: askgees | August 15, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

The rightwingers are truly two faced. They agree that they have a right to build their community center, yet want someone to magically make them waive their constitutional rights to appease a lowbrow mob from feeling hurt. As if the hate these wingnuts have been spewing daily on this issue has fallen on deaf ears.

Posted by: TexasMike | August 15, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Of course right wingers believe in the US Constitution, with exceptions based on their own ignorance and irrational fears.

And the funniest part is, they are too stupid to understand the irony of claiming how much they LOVE the document while ignoring the first amendment.

Typical of the mindless followers of Glen Beck and Fox News.

Posted by: BirchMan | August 15, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

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Republicans-We demand that the Constitution be adhered to*, and we've got the American Flag lapel pins to prove it!

*Except for the 1st and 14th amendments and the parts that prevent us from imposing our lifestyle choices on everyone. And the part about free speech and, well, any part with freedom in it, generally.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | August 15, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse
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I have to agree with those 2 intelligent individuals and their posts.

It saddens me that we have a great percentage of under educated, stupid, racist haters posting their learned FOX lies over and over without a chance to talk some real sense into their brainless little heads (which are confined tightly in the depths of their fat and ugly behinds}

Posted by: mackiejw | August 15, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse


carleen: whoa....
hey, are you a parent?
what kind of parent are you, after that entry? Gotta ask.

Do you kick your dog too?

Hate, gotta love it, no???

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

carleen09 All I can say is wow. I think your mom is calling you up from the basement. I think your meatloaf is ready. Either that or your meds.

Posted by: deaddog1965 | August 15, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me, since when did Mob rule supplant the US Constitution? Like the stupid Prop 8 debate in California, the tenets of the Constitution are not to be put up to a popular vote. That's why the founders put in tough procedures to amend the Constitution.
Republicans need to stop stoking fires they callously are using for political gain. How many more minorities are they going to alienate this year? Fear and ignorance is the rightwing way.
Posted by: TexasMike | August 15, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse
Please explain how this violates the US Constitution.

Posted by: askgees | August 15, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

The level of sheer hatred and xenophobia shown here make me mourn for my country. I thought we were better than this.

Go ahead GOPers, stand on the bodies of the 9/11 victims for political gain again. That has got to be one of the most disgusting examples of ruthless rank opportunism I've ever seen. You should be ashamed but are proud and arrogant.

Posted by: aartmann112004 | August 15, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"If you refer to any travel guide for the island of Oahu, you will not find a Shinto or Buddhist temple listed among the directory of churches."

Posted by: asmith1

Nice try. Shinto:

Izumo Taishakyo Mission
215 North Kukui Street, Honolulu
(808) 538-7778

Hawaii Kotohira Jinsha - Hawaii Dazaifu Tenmangu
www.e-shrine.org
1239 Olomea Street, Honolulu
(808) 841-4755

Posted by: chaos1 | August 15, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

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I said Oahu not Honolulu

Honolulu is to Oahu like NJ is to NYC. I believe the good people of NYC would not care a whit if the Muslims wanted to build their mosque in Trenton.

Geography wasn't your strong suit was it?

Posted by: asmith1 | August 15, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

A parody, with apologies to The Knack:

--- My Shari'a ---

Ooh my little infidel, my infidel,
Beating women isn't a crime, Shari'a.
You Jews and Christians go to hell, you go to hell,
You'll be little dhimmis in time, Shari'a.

My, my, my, my Shari'a.
My, my, my, my Shari'a. Wooo!

Oh my little blue-eyed girls, you blue-eyed girls,
You'll be shipped to Dubai in time, Shari'a.
But now we're gonna build a mosque, build a mosque,
Rub your noses at the scene of the crime, Shari'a.

My, my, my, my Shari'a.
My, my, my, my Shari'a. Wooo!

Posted by: peterd | August 15, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse


Masonic Temple next to the gay bar would be a wonderful idea.

Then a liquor store next door.
A beauty salon on the corner would be a good counter, since the Islamic/Muslim women are treated so badly.

Bloomberg would change those zoning laws in a New York Second.

((rolling)

Oh the best yet. A Christian book store next to the salon. Heck, the whole block is taken up.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

askgees--thanks for the insult. Having a bad day?
My statement stands.
Zoning laws are local, city and county laws. ANd I have mentioned them in numerous entries the past two days this topic has been hot.
Constitution Amendment I stands
NYC laws stand.
But don't forget, Constitution first.
Bring in the emotions of the "situation", there will be various opinions, but opinions are just that, opinions.
Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse
Sorry I hadn’t seen the comments regarding the zoning. Either way this is not and never will be a constitutional issue. Not allowing a church or any other religious building on a specific spot is not in any way violating anyones rights. Not to mention rights are bestowed on indivuals not entities.

Posted by: askgees | August 15, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Soo,no amount of political backpedaling or more two face weasel words by our new Muslim In Chief Inman Barack Hussein Obama
remarks at Inman Obama First Official Muslim White House State Dinner,where Obama
"forcefully demands" approval and immediate
building of a Muslim Victory Mosque near
Ground Zero in order for Inman Obama and his Fellow Muslim Fanatics to openly celebrate the destruction of the WTC on
9-11 by 19 Admitted Muslim Al_Qeada Terrorists will get Inman (no longer President) Barack Hussein Obama out of being forced to Resign or Be Impeached for
his latest High Treason against the USA!

So,speaking as someone that also lost three
good friends at the WTC on 9-11 and one was
a female NYPD Officer that died a long very
painful death from damage to heart and lungs while helping rescue others trapped
in the fallen Twin Towers therefore I not
only strongly condemn and am disgusted with
Muslim in Chief Inman Barack Hussein Obama
openly "forcefully demanding" immediate approval and bulding a Muslim Victory Mosque near the the fallen WTC as fullest
possible grounds for Obama's Resignation or
Immediate Impeachment of Obama by Congress or we vote every yellow coward Incumbent Democrat,Republican and RINO out of office,
if they fail to do so here and now!

And,Iam even further totally disgusted and
deeply resent the stupid Obamabot Liberal
News Media,including WAPO covering Inman and Muslim of the United States from Kenya
Barack Hussein and Michelle Obama cavorting
and frolic on the Gulf Oil Spill Beaches as
well. Congress Do Your Duty Impeach Obama!
WE MUST NEVER FORGET 9-11 ANOTHER DAY THAT
WILL LIVE INFAMNY ALONG WITH DEC 7 1941!

Posted by: carleen09 | August 15, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

At the Ramadan dinner he said they had the right to build as per the Constitution, but didn't know if it was the right thing to do. Posted by: TheBabeNemo
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At the Ramada dinner he fully endorsed the right to build the mosque and community center.

The following day, after he learned how the rest of America felt, he began back peddling – THAT was when he said he didn’t know if it was the right thing to do.

In the article, there is a link to the previous article quoting Obama before AO (American Outrage) and after AO


Two years into office, and the man still hasn't learned when to keep his mouth shut.

Posted by: asmith1 | August 15, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

askgees--thanks for the insult. Having a bad day?
My statement stands.
Zoning laws are local, city and county laws. ANd I have mentioned them in numerous entries the past two days this topic has been hot.

Constitution Amendment I stands
NYC laws stand.
But don't forget, Constitution first.

Bring in the emotions of the "situation", there will be various opinions, but opinions are just that, opinions.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"If you refer to any travel guide for the island of Oahu, you will not find a Shinto or Buddhist temple listed among the directory of churches."

Posted by: asmith1

Nice try. Shinto:

Izumo Taishakyo Mission
215 North Kukui Street, Honolulu
(808) 538-7778

Hawaii Kotohira Jinsha - Hawaii Dazaifu Tenmangu
www.e-shrine.org
1239 Olomea Street, Honolulu
(808) 841-4755

Posted by: chaos1 | August 15, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

The President has set up a straw man to knock down so that he can then strike a righteous pose as defender of religious freedom. As he well knows, the key issue is not the right Muslims have to build places of Islamic worship, that is not all contested, though that is the specious ground upon which he strikes said pose of moral fervor. The essential point is one of appropriateness in terms of locating the mosque in close juxtaposition with the site where Islamicist terrorists mudered thousands of innocents, including a number of Muslims themselves on 9/11. This is the same issue that drove the decision of the late Pope John Paul II to close a Carmelite convent near Auschwitz, built with the excellent intention of facilitating prayers for those slain in the Holocaust, because of the inappriopriateness of its placement in that location. Again, the President, most probably deliberately, has distorted the fundamental point at issue here for political gain so as straddle the fence and try to take on the persona of a staunch defender of religious liberty, when that is not all what has ignited the debate. Why the Muslim community also appears to have a "tin ear" on this point is also a question worthy of note.

Posted by: wtrowan | August 15, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me, since when did Mob rule supplant the US Constitution? Like the stupid Prop 8 debate in California, the tenets of the Constitution are not to be put up to a popular vote. That's why the founders put in tough procedures to amend the Constitution.

Republicans need to stop stoking fires they callously are using for political gain. How many more minorities are they going to alienate this year? Fear and ignorance is the rightwing way.

Posted by: TexasMike | August 15, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

this entire topic is based in law. Local and Constitutional.
Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse
No its based on zoning regulations and the opinion of the community ret@rd....

Posted by: askgees | August 15, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse


isn't Ground Zero going to have a grassy knoll for "reflection" in the middle. All green and nice? Anyone can use it.
And a stone wall with all the people killed.
What would happen if a Muslim, let's say a Christian Muslim; came into that area? Or a lady in traditional Muslim dress?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

this entire topic is based in law. Local and Constitutional.
Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse
No its based on zoning regulations and the opinion of the community ret@rd....

Posted by: askgees | August 15, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Teabag nut cases..First they don't want GM and Chrysler here in America then they get upset over a Mosque in NY. But they have a fit defending Toyota, BMW, Nissan and Honda. Last I heard those manufacturers/countrys help create the biggest mass death and destruction the world has ever seen. But give them a free pass if it means the weakening of American heavy industry.

Posted by: pt1836metz | August 15, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama has been a failure. It is too bad '300 super delegates' put him in office instead of an expereinced stateperson like Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: whitmanartcompany | August 15, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean the GOP doesn't know the principals our nation was founded on?????
Posted by: rjstolba | August 15, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse
Not really but it does prove we wasted our tax dollars educating you……

Posted by: askgees | August 15, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

this entire topic is based in law. Local and Constitutional.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse


At the Ramadan dinner he said they had the right to build as per the Constitution, but didn't know if it was the right thing to do.

That was from the Ramadan dinner. What's not to understand about that statement. I guess people got confused about.

Then the word wise came out ---
probably because a speech writer said that people were confused about the "right to build" and "not the right thing to do' phrase. Wise...more undertandable to the people.

Today the "not endorsing" phrase came out.

The President has stuck to his grounds and same thoughts with different words throughout this whole ordeal. Now that is Presidential. He hasn't backed down to anyone, no matter which words he has used. He has stated the truth all around

The law wins and everyone knows it.
The controversy is based in emotions.
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So the gay bar across the street would be a counter.
So would a Masonic Temple next door be a counter to it.
There's more than one way to skin a cat.



Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Ok why doesn't America just build a gold rimmed Islamic shine in the middle of ground zero. That will really stick a feather in Bin Laden's and the Islamic world's hat. Come to New York & eat lamb everyone! Hey I got a better idea let's all build a Nazi Socialist Party headquarters next to Bloombergs office in New York. Let's all build a Rebel Flag Church next to the NAACP. Heck everyone deserves fair gain and play on the consitution.

Posted by: Longistics1 | August 15, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Amendment I (1791)

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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The community center is 2 blocks away from Ground Zero. The AMerican Express building is right across from where the WTC Towers were. It got damaged. But you don't see us declaring the American Express building holy ground.
2 blocks away from Ground Zero is not the gravesite of Ground Zero.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse
I guess you are not smart enough to realize that the Constitution has nothing to do with this. Zoning regulations control this sort of thing. Try building a strip club next to a school. LIBS just don’t seem to be too bright…..

Posted by: askgees | August 15, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Next thing you know will be a German cultural center at Treblinka site

or Buddhist shrine at Pearl Harbour site

or mosque at terrorist bombed sbarro restaurant in Jerusalem etc. etc.

If it was the other way around the whole country would be on red alert

I'm surprised the lib left hypocrites didn't get the following message to ponder:

We demand an international investigation to determine why the U.S. built two tall towers that interfered with a humanitarian peace flight by Al Qaeda on 9/11.


Posted by: truth34 | August 15, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Next thing you know will be a German cultural center at Treblinka site

or Buddhist shrine at Pearl Harbour site

or mosque at terrorist bombed sbarro restaurant in Jerusalem etc. etc.

If it was the other way around the whole country would be on red alert

I'm surprised the lib left hypocrites didn't get the following message to ponder:

We demand an international investigation to determine why the U.S. built two tall towers that interfered with a humanitarian peace flight by Al Qaeda on 9/11.


with the world's including pres. Obama's call for international investigation of Israel re flotilla incident perhaps Israel should say the following to all the hypocrites:

We demand an international investigation to determine why the U.S. built two tall towers that interfered with a humanitarian peace flight by Al Qaeda on 9/11.

Posted by: truth34 | August 15, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Next thing you know will be a German cultural center at Treblinka site

or Buddhist shrine at Pearl Harbour site

or mosque at terrorist bombed sbarro restaurant in Jerusalem etc. etc.

If it was the other way around the whole country would be on red alert

I'm surprised the lib left hypocrites didn't get the following message to ponder:

We demand an international investigation to determine why the U.S. built two tall towers that interfered with a humanitarian peace flight by Al Qaeda on 9/11.


Posted by: truth34 | August 15, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Next thing you know will be a German cultural center at Treblinka site

or Buddhist shrine at Pearl Harbour site

or mosque at terrorist bombed sbarro restaurant in Jerusalem etc. etc.

If it was the other way around the whole country would be on red alert

I'm surprised the lib left hypocrites didn't get the following message to ponder:

We demand an international investigation to determine why the U.S. built two tall towers that interfered with a humanitarian peace flight by Al Qaeda on 9/11.


Posted by: truth34 | August 15, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

If Obama wants to get involved then he should be asking where is the money coming from to build the mosque? America is waiting for an answer.

Posted by: Indi1 | August 15, 2010 4:40 PM
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Ths question of who the backers of this $100M project are, has been asked numerous times, and yet to be answered.

Posted by: asmith1 | August 15, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Next thing you know will be a German cultural center at Treblinka site

or Buddhist shrine at Pearl Harbour site

or mosque at terrorist bombed sbarro restaurant in Jerusalem etc. etc.

If it was the other way around the whole country would be on red alert

I'm surprised the lib left hypocrites didn't get the following message to ponder:

We demand an international investigation to determine why the U.S. built two tall towers that interfered with a humanitarian peace flight by Al Qaeda on 9/11.


Posted by: truth34 | August 15, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse


he never endorsed the action of building it at the Ramadan dinner. He said they had the right to build as per the Constitution, but didn't know if it was the right thing to do.

That was from the Ramadan dinner.

The President has stuck to his words on throughout.


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

People discuss so much the right to practice religion which is the most prevalent subject according to politicians who have stood up for the right of a Mosque but what about the freedom from religion or sort of having a religion thrown down your throat when you don't want it. That freedom is also important! I mean America does not want a Mosque next door to the White House, America does not want A Mosqu right next door to the Pentagon, America does not want a Mosqu on Rodeo Drive! It's called elite etiquette to know where to practice your ideals and put forth principals. It's knowing how to win people over through respect instead of semi tyranny.

Posted by: Longistics1 | August 15, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

If it is the case that this Muslim group wants this mosque here and nowhere else, then the public has every right to investigate why that is. Why does a Muslim group want to raise a mosque in such close proximity to the site where a group of radical Muslims became, in their eyes, martyrs? If this Muslim group is unbending about relocating the mosque, then what are its political and religious motives for wanting this mosque in this particular spot?

Obama was foolish politically to tread into this issue, and even more foolish for then quickly qualifying and hedging his statements as soon as he wasn't talking to a Muslim group. The president seems to want to pander to whatever audience is sitting in front of him instead of reflecting consistently and meaningfully on the serious questions that this issue ought to raise.

Posted by: blert | August 15, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Next thing you know will be a German cultural center at Treblinka site

or Buddhist shrine at Pearl Harbour site

or mosque at terrorist bombed sbarro restaurant in Jerusalem etc. etc.

If it was the other way around the whole country would be on red alert

I'm surprised the lib left hypocrites didn't get the following message to ponder:

We demand an international investigation to determine why the U.S. built two tall towers that interfered with a humanitarian peace flight by Al Qaeda on 9/11.


Posted by: truth34 | August 15, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Any person or group in America has a right to build whatever they want, as long as it is within public health and safety regulations. The issue here is whether or not they have a right to build it wherever they want. They don't.

We would not let a white separatist group build an information center smack in the middle of the Gettysburg battlefield, nor would we let a Holocaust deniers' group build something next door to the Holocaust Memorial Museum. We would not let someone put a casino or strip club in many of these sensitive locations either, for that matter. This Muslim group has every right to build their mosque, but to say that they have a right to build in that particular spot...no. Locate the mosque half a mile or a mile away, and the public would not bat an eye.

Posted by: blert | August 15, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean the GOP doesn't know the principals our nation was founded on?????

Posted by: rjstolba | August 15, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Next thing you know will be a German cultural center at Treblinka site

or Buddhist shrine at Pearl Harbour site

or mosque at terrorist bombed sbarro restaurant in Jerusalem etc. etc.

If it was the other way around the whole country would be on red alert

I'm surprised the lib left hypocrites didn't get the following message to ponder:

We demand an international investigation to determine why the U.S. built two tall towers that interfered with a humanitarian peace flight by Al Qaeda on 9/11.


Posted by: truth34 | August 15, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Just because they have the right to do it doesn't mean they will do it right.

Any group that had a desire for respect and a reputation as a get-along citizen of this country would have backed off of this intention a week ago.

But islam does not want repect; it wants to be obeyed.

Posted by: jimbob3 | August 15, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

If Obama wants to get involved then he should be asking where is the money coming from to build the mosque? America is waiting for an answer.

Posted by: Indi1 | August 15, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Next thing you know will be a German cultural center at Treblinka site

or Buddhist shrine at Pearl Harbour site

or mosque at terrorist bombed sbarro restaurant in Jerusalem etc. etc.

If it was the other way around the whole country would be on red alert

I'm surprised the lib left hypocrites didn't get the following message to ponder:

We demand an international investigation to determine why the U.S. built two tall towers that interfered with a humanitarian peace flight by Al Qaeda on 9/11.


Posted by: truth34 | August 15, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"my suspicion is there are hundreds if not thousands of muslim americans that have been working for the CIA,MILITARYand several other intelligence agencies that are working hard to keep america safe.

Posted by: donaldtucker"

If this was the case you would have read many stories extolling the patriotism of these precious Muslims, but the silence is deafening.

Posted by: garrafa10 | August 15, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Next thing you know will be a German cultural center at Treblinka site

or Buddhist shrine at Pearl Harbour site

or mosque at terrorist bombed sbarro restaurant in Jerusalem etc. etc.

If it was the other way around the whole country would be on red alert

I'm surprised the lib left hypocrites didn't get the following message to ponder:

We demand an international investigation to determine why the U.S. built two tall towers that interfered with a humanitarian peace flight by Al Qaeda on 9/11.


Posted by: truth34 | August 15, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I say put a church from each monotheist denomination down there at ground Zero and let them all have at each other.

Posted by: rjacobs1 | August 15, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

What percentage of Muslims are terrorists is not the point. One Muslim terrorist is enough to destroy the peace of hundreds or even thousands. Islam is portrayed as a tolerant religion by its followers. In actual fact we do not see that.Most Muslim countries are intolerant of other religions and do not allow them to practice their religion with any freedom.
Building a mosque is reopening the healing wounds. The mosque will always reminds the bereaved families of the wrong done to them by Muslim terrorists.This mosque will be constant reminder of terrorism created by Muslims.

Posted by: amsood1 | August 15, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"Disgusting. Osama Bin Laden is so proud knowing conservatives are doing his dirty work and they are so blinded by their hatred of Islam (which they know nothing about apparently) they are too stupid to even acknowledge it.

Posted by: BirchMan"

You are a mongoloid. Not only conservatives are opposed to this pigsty of a mosque you idiot. You clearly have no idea who the Islamists are, but hopefully you and your family will eat Muslim shrapnel one day.

Posted by: garrafa10 | August 15, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

more weekend pandering for Republican Teabagger eyeballs to jack up WPost's ad rates...

if only they would do something with the $$$ like hire more reporters and buy out Krauthammer's contract

Posted by: teoc2 | August 15, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

more weekend pandering for Republican Teabagger eyeballs to jack up WPost's ad rates...

if only they would do something with the $$$ like hire more reporters and buy out Krauthammer's contract

Posted by: teoc2 | August 15, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Bulding a Mosque around Ground Zero is like Building A Rebel Nazi Church next to the NAACP or right next to Martin Luther King Jr.s Memorial in Washington. Completely irrehensible and unacceptable. The issue is not about freedom to practice religion either because Muslims have their Mosques in other locations and surely practice that religion. It's about courtesy, feeling, and respect for the Majority of Americans. The Mosque heads r doing another power play only for Islamic Power, not to express a need to practice a religion. The Majority of Americans DO NOT want a Mosque anywhere near Ground Zero (only a small minority) and that needs to be first priority. Everytime a Jihadist bombs a location you cannot just reward him with another Mosque in that location. It's an invitation to continue Jihad anywhere and everywhere for the power play over the world domains such as in Armenia, in Israel prior to Muhammed invading Israelites, America, Africa, Sudan, and many other places. A Mosque at Ground Zero is inappropriate and unethical according to deep principals. There r plenty of other places to worship and build. It's not about getting through issues as so uncouthly stated either. This issue is about deep feeling for those affected and hurt by the attacks which we all know was a Muhammetan goal that has reiterated itself allover the world throughout history. As far as Bloomberg is concerned I think he is expressing "freedom of religion" but there are always boundaries as to how far a religion should be able to go in America. He wouldn't like a Nazi campaign clan of fanatics building their Nazi headquarters next to his office or home would he? Well based on his legal precepts they can in fact do it by law and technically would be right to do so! They do exist! Howz about one next to his Temple or synagogue. I think politicians who have expressed a disconcern towards the feelings of everyday Americans are missing a great great strength..the ability to really feel for America and what it suffered over attacks by Jihadists. It's not only Republicans expressing grave concern but the general populance everywhere including Democrats! The people have a right in New York especially to stand up and stop the building of a Mosque. The people of America have a right to hallow their ground as they seem fit at such a sensitive location. The Mosque builders and owners need the permission of New Yorkers not just an urban crew or the President. That would be dictatorship and America has to oust dictatorship. There is no reason to build a Mosque at Ground Zero other than Islam is sticking a feather in its cap on power playing and agitating deep resentment amongst the American people. America is mostly a Christian nation as well. Obviously the Mosque Imam does not feel deep respect for Americans or those who have sufferred. A Mosque will not help heal deep wounds that scar America what soever and will scar more.

Posted by: Longistics1 | August 15, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

So Mayor Bloomberg wants to protect Moslems' feelings re a gay bar opposite the mosque but doesn't want to protect Americans' feelings about the location of the Mosque!!!

Is this guy an American ?

Posted by: ginamallet | August 15, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

For THEBABENEMO: Obama is not criticized for nothing. He was right in his White House speech regarding the Constitution's freedom of religion, and to build a place of worship within official community approvals. He was also right in his Saturday's Naples, Fl. comments regarding the wisdom or no wisdom to do so. BUT, he should have added the second to the first right there in front of all his invited Muslims. That would have been Presidential. As it is it is cowardly and pandering to Muslim and Florida audiences.

Posted by: HarGru | August 15, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

If you refer to any travel guide for the island of Oahu, you will not find a Shinto or Buddhist temple listed among the directory of churches.

After nearly 70 years, the Japanese understand (unlike the Muslims) that some places are hallowed ground and should not be disturbed with reminders of the painful past - regardless of "rights"

The true crime is not the zoning right to build a mosque and community center near Ground Zero, it is the insistence to keep the wound festering each time Americans see the mosque so near hallowed ground.

What happened at Ground Zero, and at the Pentagon (within a few miles of my home in VA) are still open and painful wounds.

A mosque near the sight of such painful memories does nothing to heal the wound, it will serve only to cause the wounds to fester and never heal.

Muslims who truly believe it is their right to build a mosque and community center so near Ground Zero (religious, constitutional and/or zoning), are not a people of love and sensititivey - they are a people who use laws to build shrines to their conquests.

The true meaning of our Constitution is often what is read between the lines, rather than spinning the words to meet your own interpretation of what you want those words to mean.

Posted by: asmith1 | August 15, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Birchman posted: "The GOP is a dying party. Day by day, your kind dies off and isn't being replaced. If anything the changing demographics of this country spells certain doom for the modern wingnut mindset." ????????????

You wish! If you go out from the liberal, welfare bound, jobless and restless teen crowded, and Federal money supported large cities you may find that the GOP is alive and well because unemployed and frustrated teens are beginning to understand what liberalism and relativism does to a society.

Posted by: HarGru | August 15, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

There are thousands of Arab Americans who live in New York City, who love their flag just as much as we do, and we must be mindful that as we seek to win the war that we treat Arab Americans and Muslims with the respect they deserve. We should not hold one who is a Muslim responsible for an act of terror.

Posted by: chaos1 | August 15, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

BirchMan:

Oh, pity you poo angry impotent old white men of Savage Nation.
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This is a typical liberal talking point. Just call everyone racist who does not agree with President Obama's anti American policies and world view.

Posted by: onealethia | August 15, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The president is officially a Muslim and anti American. Islam is a religion that promotes sedition in any nation it is allowed to flourish. It promotes taking all nations over and is akin to yelling fire in a theater. Down with the Mosque down with Islam. Where is the Charles the Hammer Martel of this age? The man who led the troops who crushed the Muslim insurgency the last time the Muslims tried to take over the West. Wake up you radical leftists before we lose our country.

Posted by: onealethia | August 15, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

In the end, yes this pushback is somewhat unfair to peaceful muslims, but maybe they should ask themselves why so much of the world equates islam with terrorism and do something about it.

Posted by: sold2u | August 15, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse


The President is not endorsing the building of it, just stating the fact that under Amendment I of the Constituion, it can be built (also dependent on local laws, including zoning, etc).

He has also mentioned that it may not be wise to build it.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry I voted for Obama!
Now I think another 4 years of bush's lunacy would never have been so destructive to the USA's future.
We MUST get rid of this jerk before its to late

Posted by: movette | August 15, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

If it's not against the law and in accordance with the current zoning ordnance, let em build. Besides, it will be a great collection point for information.

Posted by: ioweioweoff2workigo | August 15, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

If a mosque is not appropriate for a site two blocks from the ground on which the twin WTC towers stood, then so it would be inappropriate for a synagogue, temple, church, or cathedral.

This is a simple case of psychology. If you eat a tainted hog dog and get very sick, it is likely you will in future avoid hot dogs. Similarly, al Qaeda, a group of Muslim extremists, cleverly attacked the U.S. using passenger aircraft to collapse very tall office buildings. Attacked! By Muslims! That'll put you off Muslims forever. However, the next hot dog or Muslim may be tasty and/or kindly as the case may be. Not every hot dog will make you sick. Not every Muslim hates you, your country, and your religion. In fact, few hot dogs will make you sick. Few Muslims will attack you.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | August 15, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse


What's an Americanized Muslim?
What's a Christian Muslim?

I hear these references all the time. Is there a difference in the Muslim community? Or a moderate Muslim. What the heck is that?

Reminds me of Harry Potter and the Death Eaters. Once a Death Eater, always a Death Eater.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Opponents of the community center not only have a problem with al qaeda, they have reservations, suspicions and bias against mainstream Islam.

They like to hide behind the argument that the builders should use common sense and realize they are being insensitive and doing themselves no favors.

But, the opponents themselves lack common sense in linking violent jihadism with the New York Muslim Community.

They are unrelated. In essence they are not the same religions, one is peaceful, the other is violent.

The one thing that is true is that The builders are not doing the Muslim community any favors, even though they are in the right, the proposal is stirring a lot of misguided resentment.

And in the end they back down because of this and build somewhere else.

Posted by: yarbrougharts | August 15, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The swelling tide of hatred that this issue has stimulated in the past three days is astonishing. It is anti-Semitism and anti-Muslimism run rampant. How about a time out to cool off?

Posted by: mmurray2 | August 15, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Right wing extremist will find any thing to oppose Obama. He is courageous to stand up for the constitution. Republican extremists want to shred any part of the contitution that does not advance their racist agenda. When it comes to immigration, they want to shred 14th amendment and when it come to religious freedom they want to get rid of the ist amendment.
If republicans holds the leader of this project to be responsible for the 9/11 then they should bring charges againt him.
Extremist repuplicans are also opposing a mosque in California which is thousands of miles away from ground zero.
The leader of this islamic center is a moderate muslim and he should be supported if you guys realy want to fight extremists in Islam. Stoping scoring political points and do what's right for the country- not what the tea party agenda is advancing.

Posted by: hardboy | August 15, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

It is very easy to agree with those who are extremely angry with the president. Actually, it is easy to agree if 1) you believe the president is a stealth Manchurian candidate planted to steal America from true Americans, 2) know that he is secretly a Muslim who does anything he can to hide this 'well known truth', 3)are positive that he wants to steal your gun, force your wife to have an abortion, force grammy to stand before a death squad, and finally 4) you watch Fox and read Drudge not to get information, but rather to get ammunition. Once you swallow all that, sure, why would anybody like him?

Posted by: Keesvan | August 15, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

a gay bar across the street.

(rolling)
love it.....one way to counter it. But I bet they change zoning laws on it.

or the community center is torched within 3 days of opening is what I'm putting my money on !!

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

It is very easy to agree with those who are extremely angry with the president. Actually, it is easy to agree if 1) you believe the president is a stealth Manchurian candidate planted to steal America from true Americans, 2) know that he is secretly a Muslim who does anything he can to hide this 'well known truth', 3)are positive that he wants to steal your gun, force your wife to have an abortion, force grammy to stand before a death squad, and finally 4) you watch Fox and read Drudge not to get information, but rather to get ammunition. Once you swallow all that, sure, why would anybody like him?

Posted by: Keesvan | August 15, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

The last time I checked, this was still the USA. Wackos on both sides should back off. How far away from "ground zero" is far enough? If not two blocks then four blocks? one mile? two miles? Perhaps you would like to outlaw any religion with which you don't agree? Islam did not bring down the World Trade Center. A bunch of thugs posing as religious zealots did it.

Posted by: wjssparky | August 15, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. With all these dingbats and crackpots calling Obama a closet Muslim, why does he have to go out of his way to prove their point?

Posted by: sameolddoc | August 15, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. With all these dingbats and crackpots calling Obama a closet Muslim, why does he have to go out of his way to prove their point?

Posted by: sameolddoc | August 15, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Homosexual Bar Near Ground Zero Mosque Called “Travesty”

The plan to build a mosque near the site of the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center buildings took a new twist when an investor announced his plan to locate a homosexual bar across the street. Greg Gutfeld says the bar is “an effort to break down barriers and reduce homophobia among Muslims.”

The planned bar was labeled “insensitive” by Mayor Michael Bloomberg. “Homosexuality is considered a sin by devout Muslims,” Bloomberg asserted. “For Mr. Gutfeld, a Jew, to try to insert such a den of depravity so close to a place of worship is a travesty. No good can come of it.”.......

Bloomberg heeds to go! I've ask myself whats in this for Bloomberg, because you can bet there is something!

Posted by: Zcat | August 15, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

This is really a simple issue. The comparison I make is the erection of a Bushido Shrine at Pearl Harbor.

This business of parsing the matter back to the Constitution is idiotic. There's the letter of the law and the spirit of the law.

Now go ahead and build the religious shrine at Pearl Harbor. The Constitution says you're allowed to. However, in the spirit of the matter you might just find some objection. I don't know why.

The guy who suggested this to Obama ought to be canned. However if this was Obama's idea from start to finish and if he finds a guy to fall on his sword to protect him than we'll never know the precise truth.

As a registered Democrat I must say this was the stupidest, make this the most darned stupid thing Obama could have done.
Truly retarded.

Now I strongly doubt that I'll vote for a Republican or Independent candidate in 2012. However, if Obama maintains stupidity of this order I'll have to say it is speaking to me and I'll stay home on Election Day.

He should have kept out of this.

He should have known better.

It was none of his business and should have stayed that way.

I just don't get it.

Yet.

Posted by: jato11 | August 15, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh, pity you poo angry impotent old white men of Savage Nation.

I need a towel to wipe away from all your ten-cent spittle flecked rants.

I just knew Obama's election would once and for all strip away that giant racist mask you people have been wearing since all the Dixiecrats left the Democratic Party after LBJ signed the Civil Rights act into law.

And at least George W Bush of all people kept you rubes and hicks in line when he was in office, but now, there's no clear leader of the GOP, so all of you are running wild, saying the most disgusting ridiculous things.

I understand your impotent rage; at the heart of it all is your deepest fear that this country is no longer an exclusively white christian nation.

In less than half a decade, white people will be the minority.

Just admit it, that's what really got you people so angry.

That's why you scream things like "I want my country back!"

That ship sailed already. The process is already underway.

It's just a matter of how you are going to cope with it and accept it.

The GOP is a dying party. Day by day, your kind dies off and isn't being replaced.

If anything the changing demographics of this country spells certain doom for the modern wingnut mindset.

No wonder you're all so upset. But I'll enjoy watching you chase your own tails.

Posted by: BirchMan | August 15, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame to see Republicans trying to make political capital of a tragedy like 911. The so-called "ground zero" mosque is not even in ground zero but several blocks away. I think Obama has been incredibly brave in speaking up on such an important topic as freedom and equality for ALL citizens ...

Posted by: LondonBoy1 | August 15, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not criticized for nothing. He was right in his White House speech regarding the Constitution's freedom of religion, and to build a place of worship within official community approvals. He was also right in his Saturday's Naples, Fl. comments regarding the wisdom or no wisdom to do so. BUT, he should have added the second to the first right there in front of all his invited Muslims. That would have been Presidential. As it is it is cowardly and pandering to Muslim and Florida audiences. He does need to keep his mouth shut more often.

Posted by: HarGru | August 15, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Not many in NYC care aside from opportunistic political scum that spend their days and nights trying to turn America against muslims, as they believe their 'influence' will diminish if muslims are accepted as regular Americans.

Posted by: dogsbestfriend | August 15, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Not many in NYC care aside from opportunistic political scum that spend their days and nights trying to turn America against muslims, as they believe their 'influence' will diminish if muslims are accepted as regular Americans.

Posted by: dogsbestfriend | August 15, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not criticized for nothing. He was right in his White House speech regarding the Constitution's freedom of religion, and to build a place of worship within official community approvals. He was also right in his Saturday's Naples, Fl. comments regarding the wisdom or no wisdom to do so. BUT, he should have added the second to the first right there in front of all his invited Muslims. That would have been Presidential. As it is it is cowardly and pandering to Muslim and Florida audiences. He does need to keep his mouth shut more often.

Posted by: HarGru | August 15, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Birchman, you need to stop drinking your breakfast and lunch from brown paper bags, you moron.

Posted by: nmg3rln | August 15, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Birchman, you need to stop drinking your breakfast and lunch from brown paper bags, you moron.

Posted by: nmg3rln | August 15, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Again, let's have a lesson in delicious irony that the American wingnut brain, saddled by Budweiser and Nascar talking points, is just too stupid to understand.

The mouth foaming bigots who don't want this center built claim things like "Islam is a violent religion that wants to conquer the US and institute Sharia Law etc etc etc"

Yet the very first day it is opened, there will be myriad bomb and death threats of the worst possible nature from so-called 'Real Americans' who undoubtedly identify as Christians full of love from Jesus.

Again, wingnuts, I don't expect any of you reptile brains to understand the irony, because it's lost on you. When you think only in black/white, you'll never get the subtle nuance of the situation.
I guess it's easier to let Glen Beck think for you, so you can remain a good dumb little sheep, cowering in fear and easily commanded.

Posted by: BirchMan | August 15, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Again, BirchWoman, you great contitutional scholar, explain to us dumb, knuckle dragging right wingers exactly HOW the constitution is being subverted? If these tolerant people are asked to build their mosque in a different location, please quote the article in the document and then the relevance. Doubt that you have ever even LOOKED at the constitution. Viva Chavez comrad.

Posted by: Natstoyou | August 15, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Of course right wingers believe in the US Constitution, with exceptions based on their own ignorance and irrational fears.

And the funniest part is, they are too stupid to understand the irony of claiming how much they LOVE the document while ignoring the first amendment.

Typical of the mindless followers of Glen Beck and Fox News.

Posted by: BirchMan | August 15, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

A community center for "all of us"? Howz about gays and lesbians semolina? How many Jews will be welcome? How many Southern Baptists? What if they have bibles with them? Perhaps a beheading awaits these infidels?

Posted by: Natstoyou | August 15, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Right wing extremist will find any thing to oppose Obama. He is courageous to stand up for the constitution. Republican extremists want to shred any part of the contitution that does not advance their racist agenda. When it comes to immigration, they want to shred 14th amendment and when it come to religious freedom they want to get rid of the ist amendment.
If republicans holds the leader of this project to be responsible for the 9/11 then they should bring charges againt him.
Extremist repuplicans are also opposing a mosque in California which is thousands of miles away from ground zero.
The leader of this islamic center is a moderate muslim and he should be supported if you guys realy want to fight extremists in Islam. Stoping scoring political points and do what's right for the country- not what the tea party agenda is advancing.

Posted by: hardboy | August 15, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Do right-wing "conservatives" believe in our U.S. Constitution and its Bill of Rights or not? Try honesty with yourselves and the rest of us.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | August 15, 2010 3:24 PM |


The Gridlock Obstructionist Party of Hell NO believes in doing whatever it takes to get power for themselves. If this means dishonestly reinforcing the idea that all Muslims are collectively responsible for terrorism (a Nazi doctrine) and that only Christians have rights, not Muslims (fascism) -- well if that's what it takes, our cause is so great that all means are acceptable (Leninism).

Posted by: twm1 | August 15, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

firstfossilish,

The American Islamic community is not a monolith, so asking "why do Muslims want this center at this site?" is probably the wrong place to start.

The Cordoba Initiative represents the actions of some American Muslims based in Manhattan. Their website has some information about this.

@Homemom,

The controversy is 100 percent about religion -- not a zoning ordinance. Under the local zoning rules there is no restriction against the construction of a site that has a dual function as a community center and worship center. If this was a YMCA that was under consideration Newt, Palin, et al wouldn't waste their time demagoging the issue in their attempt to nationalize the issue. Functionally, we're dealing with an upscale Muslim equivalent of a YMCA. People object to the religious center that's associated with the building (and the religion that's associated with the building). That's precisely why this is an issue concerning religious liberty and not zoning ordinances.

This is precisely why a socio-pathic, ethically challenged, thrice-married adulterer like Newt Gingrich would say today that Obama's stance on the issue is pandering to Islamic terrorists. Gingrich didn't engage the zoning question, because it's not relevant. He made a point of highlighting the religious dimension, because that is where the controversy is located.

Posted by: JPRS | August 15, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

This anti-Islam talk is sickening. Republicans again look pathetic and are a disgrace for what America stands for.

Posted by: interactingdc | August 15, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

The area around the World Trade Center site is not "hallowed ground." It is a normal, commercial and residential neighborhood and those of us who live here have normal rights to private property. Two Muslim groups have worshiped here for years with no problems.

Park51 will be a community center for all of us; only a small portion will be for religious use.

If you want to worry about our neighborhood, focus on health care for first responders and residents who were here on 9/11.

Posted by: semolina | August 15, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"Racist Cowards" BirchWoman? How typical of a moonbat like you to hide behind the racism canard. First of all, I didn't realize that Islam was a race. Care to explain that idiocy? Second, do you really want this to be an election issue? Personally I am praying that it is but I doubt that the GOP will have the spine for it. Too bad. And what would an imbecile like you know about the constitution anyway? There is no inherent "right" to build anything, anywhere. Sure 10 blocks would be fine by me. 15 blocks would be better. Saudi Arabia would be the best. Perhaps they could place it right next to the Catholic chuch in Riyad. Oh, sorry, I forgot. No churches allowed in Saudi Arabia. Silly me. Your preening about the constution would be laughable if it weren't so transparent. NOBODY is saying they CANNOT build a mosque. You and your ilk know this. You KNOW why 70% of real Americans (including many Muslims) don't want it at that site. The strawman argument that opposition equals supression of religious freedom allows you to pretend to wrap yourself sanctimoniously in a constitution that you would shred the instant it didn't conform to your kook-left values. So by all means, bring it on for November. I am almost salivating waiting to enjoy the results at my election night party. Then, only 2 more years until your Hope and Change is tossed into the garbage dump of history. Then maybe you can make a raft out of some discarded lumber, throw yourself off the Mallory Dock in Key West and aim for Cuba or Venezuela.

Posted by: Natstoyou | August 15, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

In Christian predominant country like US, immigrant Moslem easily practice their religion and build their mosque even in sensitive place. In reverse, Christians live in predominant moslem country like Indonesia get a lot of persecutions to build our Church.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2010/02/03/religious-persecution-%E2%80%98remains-high%E2%80%99-west-java-new-study.html

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2010/08/15/protesting-attack-church-hold-prayer-state-palace.html

US should concern about religious freedom all around the world so that there is no double standard for moslem.
Thanks,

Posted by: Natan1 | August 15, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

This has nothing to do with religion or freedom of expression. What it has to do with is possessing common sense and knowing what is appropriate.

I am sorry that once again President Obama has shown his inability to understand the American people and what makes them tick. It would have been better for all of us if Obama had just kept his mouth shut on this issue.

Posted by: NewEra | August 15, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

More "let them eat cake" from the Obama.

Thank you for allowing Muslims to dance on the grave. What's next, sharia "law"?

Posted by: NoWayNotNow | August 15, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Our naif of a president should brush up on his Taqiyya.

Our naifs who voted for Obama have been snookered by a slick-tongued Muslim/Islamist sympathizer or worse, a Muslim/Islamist sleeper-mole. This guy Obama does not represent America. He's terribly in way over his head with international affairs and is dangerous for this country.

Clinton was impeached over mere oral sex with an intern inside the White House. What's going on now by our current president is a threat to this nation.

Posted by: CharlesGriffith1 | August 15, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Do right-wing "conservatives" believe in our U.S. Constitution and its Bill of Rights or not? Try honesty with yourselves and the rest of us.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | August 15, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Do right-wing "conservatives" believe in our U.S. Constitution and its Bill of Rights or not? Try honesty with yourselves and the rest of us.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | August 15, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Do right-wing "conservatives" believe in our U.S. Constitution and its Bill of Rights or not? Try honesty with yourselves and the rest of us.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | August 15, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the biggest failure and liar ever to be in the White House!

Yesterday and today he's promoted the Gulf! Once again another lie: The president's swim happened out of sight of the news media.
Obamas swam off Alligator Point, which is in Saint Andrews Bay, not the Gulf.
Michlle Malkin has a pics on her website of Obama swimming toward the shore, and i swear the loser has two teleprompters at the waters edge! I couldn't stop laughing!

Obama Swims in Gulf — or Maybe Not
http://michellemalkin.com/


Posted by: Zcat | August 15, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

What do Americans who happen to be Muslim have to do with 9/11 or ben laden and his thugs?????? Nothing at all.

But it is Islamophobia-which equal to or worse than than anti-semitism;its racism and bigtory;it is xnophobia.

How shameful.

Posted by: asizk | August 15, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

What do Americans who happen to be Muslim have to do with 9/11 or ben laden and his thugs?????? Nothing at all.

But it is Islamophobia-which equal to or worse than than anti-semitism;its racism and bigtory;it is xnophbia.

How shameful.

Posted by: asizk | August 15, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

JPRS,

"Inflammatory" means arousing strong passion and anger.

Putting a victory mosque that close to Ground Zero is inflammatory. Most people are against it, for good reason. It looks and smells like a middle finger directed at the US.

If the developers were truly interested in building bridges, they would have anticipated this reaction and gone elsewhere. That is why so few believe them.

It is in poor taste.

Posted by: sold2u | August 15, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

The only good thing about these recent political events (immigration, the Islamic community center) is that Republicans have finally decided to throw off their usual hypocritical turns of phrase and come right out in the open to declare their contempt for the constitution and for civil rights in this country. We now know all we need to know about where they stand, and for that I thank them.

Posted by: gposner | August 15, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Comparing 9/11 to the srebrenica and the holocaust is appalling beside being dishonest.

9/11 was a terrorist criminal attack by a band of preverted thugs-whereas the Srebrenica and the Holocaust were premeditated mass genocide panned and sanctioned by serb and nazi governments and carried out by official state institutions-serb and nazi.

Posted by: asizk | August 15, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

A simple question for the xenophobic racist wingnuts...

And what distance from Ground Zero would be acceptable to you? Ten blocks? Twenty?

Would you have a problem with this center if it didn't have a prayer room?

That really seems to be the issue here, isn't it?

If they just wanted to open a rec center, gym, restaurant, then you wouldn't have a problem with it?

If the GOP wants to make this an election issue, then by all means, let's have the 1st Amendment as an issue.

I eagerly await the Republican bigots to say now we need to amend that one as well as the 14th.

Freedom of religion unless it upsets racist cowards who don't even live in NYC.

The entire right wing has gone off the deep end of insanity and no one is there to dial it back or turn it down.

Disgusting. Osama Bin Laden is so proud knowing conservatives are doing his dirty work and they are so blinded by their hatred of Islam (which they know nothing about apparently) they are too stupid to even acknowledge it.

Posted by: BirchMan | August 15, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Comparing 9/11 to the srebrenica and the holocaust is appalling beside being dishonest.

9/11 was a terrorist criminal attack by a band of preverted thugs-whereas the Srebrenica and the Holocaust were premeditated mass genocide panned and sanctioned by serb and nazi governemnts and carried out by official state institutions-serb and nazi.

Posted by: asizk | August 15, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Right or wrong is not the issue. The issue is about using common sense. This is something that many political figures fail to exercise. Its not about stopping them to worship. It's about the 3000 that died that day to those that practice the same religion. That my friend is tasteless and should have never even been under consideration from the beginning. And if Barack or any other politician can't see that, then so long!

Posted by: hoganincharge | August 15, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

sold2u,

What makes the construction "inflammatory"?

When I first heard about this site, I thought that yeah, I can understand why some people are angry. The more I've learned about this though, the less persuasive I'm finding the counter-arguments to the construction.

Prejudices that people have about Islam aren't the fault of American Muslims.

These people had NO connection to the 9-11 attack. They have no connection to the participants. The attackers weren't even Americans. The Imam doesn't preach a hard-line version of Islam. The objections are just ridiculous.

To the extent that the construction has become an "inflammatory" issue it's because some cynical politicians understand that there's no political risk in defaming a religion that's only practiced by 1 percent of the American population.

This is part of the reason that some opponents keep hyping blatant falsehoods about the center (e.g. that iit's a mosque; that it's a terrorist training center dedicated to a violent strain of Islam; that it's actually located AT the 9-11 site).

Controversies such as this one are precisely why we have a Bill of Rights. If the exercise of fundamental rights was always without controversy there would be no need to articulate and protect them.

Posted by: JPRS | August 15, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

A mosque near where the towers stood causes an adverse reaction for many because of the horrific actions of a few that changed our world that September morning.

While we will never forget, as a country we need to support religous freedom and tolerance. We also have to move forward.

We seem more divided than ever before and setting the course for more discord.

We need the President to lead and not just speak.

Posted by: onthejourney | August 15, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing to me how Republicans and tea party people talk so much about upholding the constitution, BUT, do they really?. They are leading the charge to dismantle those parts of the Constitution that they don't like like the 1st and 14th amendments all the while vilifying President Obama for upholding the constitution.

So, who should we really be worried about destroying the Constitution?

Posted by: catmomtx | August 15, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

A mosque near where the towers stood causes an adverse reaction for many because of the horrific actions of a few that changed our world that September morning.

While we will never forget, as a country we need to support religous freedom and tolerance. We also have to move forward.

We seem more divided than ever before and setting the course for more discord.

We need the President to lead and not just speak.

Posted by: onthejourney | August 15, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

A simple question for the xenophobic racist wingnuts...

And what distance from Ground Zero would be acceptable to you? Ten blocks? Twenty?

Would you have a problem with this center if it didn't have a prayer room?

That really seems to be the issue here, isn't it?

If they just wanted to open a rec center, gym, restaurant, then you wouldn't have a problem with it?

If the GOP wants to make this an election issue, then by all means, let's have the 1st Amendment as an issue.

I eagerly await the Republican bigots to say now we need to amend that one as well as the 14th.

Freedom of religion unless it upsets racist cowards who don't even live in NYC.

The entire right wing has gone off the deep end of insanity and no one is there to dial it back or turn it down.

Disgusting. Osama Bin Laden is so proud knowing conservatives are doing his dirty work and they are so blinded by their hatred of Islam (which they know nothing about apparently) they are too stupid to even acknowledge it.

Posted by: BirchMan | August 15, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The current paradigm for Chutzpah has been the guy who had just been found guilty of killing both his parents, throwing himself on the mercy of the court before sentencing, claiming he was an orphan. The new paradigm is, of course, the proposal for the ground zero mosque.

Rep. Nadler is wrong. It is Islam as promoted by the Muslim Brotherhood, not just Al Qaeda that is responsible for 9/11. Al Qaeda is just one small offshoot of the Brotherhood which is sponsoring a global jihad.

Posted by: Salubrius | August 15, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps this question is totally irrelevant but it is one that friends and I have discussed: Is there such a large population of those practicing Islam is this specific area that a "community center" and Mosque is necessary? I guess the question is one of motive: Why is the building of a Mosque in this particularly location so important to the Islamic community?

Posted by: firstfossilish | August 15, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Osama Bin Laden in his first video tape after 911 expressed two goals: 1) Destroy America's economy - hence the attack on the financial center of NY. 2) Instill enough fear and uncertainty that Americans would willingly sacrifice certain liberties and freedoms.

He achieved the first. Build the Muslim community center now so he doesn't achieve the second.

Posted by: TedfromRichmond | August 15, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

My county just blocked a major industry from coming in. NOT because we do not want the jobs but it was the location the company was looking at building in. Close to schools and high tech region. This was a manufacturing plant. The county did not forbid the building, just said "Not there." due in part to residential and business concerns.

This is NOT a religious freedom issue. It is a zoning issue and a respect issue.

My county could have allowed this company to build where they asked, but they listed to the community and business owners. So the company will just have to find a different site if they want to build here and we have them.

Can anyone else make the comparison here?

Posted by: Homemom | August 15, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama has already backed off statements that he made about the mosque on Friday.

Now he trying to clarify remarks that he read from prepared notes. He flip-flopped on this issue like he does on a lot of issues.

Posted by: geo82170 | August 15, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama could have listened to his pollsters and probably his advisers and kept quiet on the mosque or even said it was inappropriate. But no, instead he spoke truth to power. (That's you, easily swayed and infantile electorate.) Freedom of religion is a bedrock for our nation. Wherever and whenever you want to drop to your knees and pray for the GOP to return to the White House, you can.

Of course, if Obama had come out against the mosque, the right wing would have said "Now, look who's being racist! He's an anti-Muslim, self-hater who doesn't believe in the Constitution. Vote for us!"

Posted by: seriously77 | August 15, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

In a land ruled by laws designed not to discriminate the GOP chooses to promote violating those laws based on bigotry. And the get upset when they are called the Tea Klan. The GOP obviously hates the Constitution.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | August 15, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Good Grief. No one is arguing that the government should prevent the mosque from being built.

What people are saying, is that if the advertised purpose of the center - promoting tolerance and understanding - is truly the purpose, then the developers would have the common sense to find a less inflammatory place to put it.

Plus there are a lot of people who think the whole "promoting tolerance and understanding" goal is bs, and this is a victory mosque for the benefit of islamists in the middle east.

Posted by: sold2u | August 15, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

A clear majority of Manhattanites support the building of this mosque on Park Row. What shred of standing do Wyomingites -- or Staten Islanders -- have to insist that we block it?

Their efforts to do away with religious freedom in this country desecrate the memory of my friends and neighbors who died at the WTC and the experience of my sister who escaped but suffers nightmares to this day.
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You area liar - 70% of New Yorkers do Not want this mosque built near ground zero. New Yorkers do not take kindly to the terrorists building a triumphant memorial to commemorate the 9/11 attack 3 blocks where thousands of innocents were slaughtered by these same muslims.

Posted by: Realist201 | August 15, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice if Obama supported the American People as strongly as he does terrorists and illegal aliens. Obama cites teh constitution for the terrorist mosque at Ground zero in NY, yet he won't enforce the immigration law that he swore an oath to follow.

It is typical of this new socialist democratic party where the ends justify the means and the constitution means nothing to them....unless citing it might help them on a particular issue, otherwise they simply ignore it along with the opinions of the American people.

Posted by: Realist201 | August 15, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

A clear majority of Manhattanites support the building of this mosque on Park Row. What shred of standing do Wyomingites -- or Staten Islanders -- have to insist that we block it?

Their efforts to do away with religious freedom in this country desecrate the memory of my friends and neighbors who died at the WTC and the experience of my sister who escaped but suffers nightmares to this day.

Posted by: Itzajob | August 15, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

pgr88,

Right, and that's why Bush selected the Imam who is behind the Cordoba Center to be work on his outreach to American Muslims. Bush selected him because he says "damn America"?

More likely both W. and Obama have a greater commitment to religious liberty and the American Constitution than you.

Posted by: JPRS | August 15, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama fully supports any religion that preaches "God D@mn America!"

Posted by: pgr88 | August 15, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

What Americans fail to understand that teaching of Jesus,His being a Prophet and His reincarnation are as much part of Muslim faith as of Christians

Islam has taken it ahead with inclusion of more spirituality and brotherhood without discrimination


Gist of Bible is also part of Quran with full verses on Mary and Jesus

When Christian talks to an educated Muslim and tries to teach him about Jesus and his teachings, there is nothing new which he can add to his knowledge as it is already part of his faith.

9/11 was planned in German pubs and brothels, all training was done in USA, time will soon tell that Muslims had nothing to do with it

Posted by: chaffcutter | August 15, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

racist americans are awesome. their republican allies are even better. their paranoia and fear is just amazing. they ignore their constitution, justify bigotry and hate and then look at you and say, ' hey, i'm american.' awesome. just awesome.

Posted by: thenarcotic22 | August 15, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

A president actually supporting the constitution?

No wonder conservatives are up in arms.

Posted by: josh13 | August 15, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"Muslims are certainly free to worship in the U.S. Just NOT at ground zero."

And blacks can vote - just not in Alabama. And Jews can worship, just not in public. And Asians can walk the streets - just not in my town. And........

SIlly me - I thought the constitution was for all Americans.

And just because you have a "problem" with something doesn't mean we should subvert our 225 year old cherished values.

Posted by: josh13 | August 15, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"Muslims are certainly free to worship in the U.S. Just NOT at ground zero."

And blacks can vote - just not in Alabama. And Jews can worship, just not in public. And Asians can walk the streets - just not in my town. And........

SIlly me - I thought the constitution was for all Americans.

Posted by: josh13 | August 15, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

You would think the people most directly affected by 9/11, the NYC Commission voting on this issue, would take the right tack on this - and they did, voting unanimously to allow construction. Yet people continue to parade the misinformation that this is a "mosque" - it is a community center. And it is NOT at Ground Zero. Why are all these Republican politicians lining up to denounce it? To continue inflaming the rabble and distracting people from the REAL issues in this country. The same rabble that believe Obama is a foreigner and a Muslim, and that Saddam was involved in 9/11...sigh! A good read: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2010/08/16/100816taco_talk_hertzberg

Posted by: jamiemchugh | August 15, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse


what about Yom Kippur and Roshasana?

Those are on every calendar I've ever seen.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Anyone opposed to the NYC mosque is not fit to be an American.

If you don't know it by heart, read the 1st Amendment. After that, if you still think the government should ban this or any other mosque, then you need to renounce your citizenship and go some place that freedom of religion is not honored. Maybe Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: bigbrother1 | August 15, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

One fact that often is lost in this ridiculous debate is that there were many innocent Muslims who also died in the WTC on 9/11. This attack was not about Islam against Christians and Jews, but rather it was carried out by 19 extremists who are not representative of 99.99% of Muslims. I am proud that Obama has stepped up and said what needs to be said. If we go down the road of intolerance, then our country is no longer special.

Posted by: givemeabreak6 | August 15, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

EcoAZ1,

How is this NOT about religious liberty?

The site is not located at the WTC -- it's a couple blocks away where bars and strip clubs and other business are located.

What makes these other commercial properties any more sacred and respectful of the site than a community center and religious center?

All of the opposition to this comes from the fact that these are Muslims. Look at the ridiculous assertions that people make about how this will be some kind of "terrorist" training center. Or that people who had no direct involvement in the 9-11 planning or attacks should be punished for the actions of some fanatics with no direct association to them.

It's 100 percent about the fact that these people just happen to call themselves Muslims.

Do you honestly think if a Christian church or Jewish synagogue of any kind -- or a YMCA for that matter (which is probably the most accurate analogy) -- was being proposed at this site that politicians would be demagoging this issue?

Heck, St. Paul's Chapel is just one block north of WTC. Should we tear that down too?

Posted by: JPRS | August 15, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I used to think that Obama's jug-ears were the result of the obstetrician, wherever he was born, by not performing a simple surgical procedure.
But now I know those things are both his feet after he has made so many comments offensive to Americans.

Posted by: sperrico | August 15, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I realize that I am prejudiced towards Muslims and am offended by thier choice to build a mosque near the Trade Center Site but I'll be damned if I'm going to stoop so low as to be swayed by my id or a lynch mob that I want to join in with.

The people that want to build a mosque have the right to do so and do it wherever they can and I just have to be an adult about it and not only accept it but defend their Constitutional Right or I am being un-American.

Posted by: glenglish | August 15, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

The right wing advocates strict adherence to the Constitution except where it interferes with their ideology. Hypocrisy anyone?

Posted by: cdierd1944 | August 15, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse


Vice President Joe Biden went to the Arlington ceremony because of his son Beau being enlisted. It was a wise choice.

Some folks here are making it out as something else.

//////for the heck of it....

Amendment I (1791)

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse


Those in power are more interested in
RAMADAN than our economy.

It's still THE ECONOMY STUPID!

Posted by: chicago77 | August 15, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Why does the Left constantly subvert the truth?

This was never about Freedom of Religion. This is about respecting hallowed ground. Muslims are certainly free to worship in the U.S. Just NOT at ground zero.

Posted by: EcoAZ1 | August 15, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

he president is out of touch with the people????? Is that the new republican scam??? Well the republicans aren't out of touch are they. They just don't give a rats a*s about the American people.
The entire republican platform is built on deception and lies based around a sinister platform of elitist racism.
Now, who is really out of touch here?

Posted by: sammsammus | August 15, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse


"..The GOP should pay Obama to keep making comments on current events - everytime he opens his mouth he loses voters..."
Posted by: Realist201 |

Good One!

Posted by: chicago77 | August 15, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I think it is telling that Obama did not attend the Arlington Cemetery ceremony, nor did he attend the Boy Scouts of America Jamboree 100 year celebration. But yet he made time to host a Ramadan dinner.

With the Arlington Cemetery ceremony he opted to hangout with his Chicago buddies. With Boy Scouts of America Jamboree he chose to appear on a woman’s gossip TV show. Makes us wonder where his priorities lie.

Isn’t it ironic that people have been killed/beheaded and other lives threatened merely for daring to draw a picture of their prophet mohammed. The muslims are incensed that anyone that does such a deed is “insensitive” to islam. Yet, it is ok to build a “trophy” mosque near the very site that 3,000 innocent Americans died. Bloomberg said shame on us for being intolerant. I say to Obama, Bloomberg, and Cuomo shame on you for being insensitive to those of us who oppose erecting this building of utter disrespect so close to our beloved Ground Zero.

BTW, I purposely did not capitalize islam, mohammed, or muslims, for to do so shows respect.

Posted by: cperr57 | August 15, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Actually I enjoyed the comment from the person who had the great idea to build a pork barbecue joint next door to that mosque. The smell of pork barbecue wafting over to those Muslims enjoying Cordoba House sixteen hours a day seven days a week. There is a difference between "the right to" and "should they". The barbecue restaurant reinforces the concept of tolerance and acceptance of others beliefs. You may have the right to build but if your goal is as stated then you can easily understand also why you shouldn't. Or I'll gladly buy the first pork barbecue sandwich when that restaurant opens.

Posted by: Desertdiva1 | August 15, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

ACCEPT IT, FOLKS!

ISLAMIC TERRORISTS whipped our 295-million-strong ASSES on September 11, 2001. On Bush's non-watch, no less.

No denying that!

Since that fateful day, our lives have never been the same. Never recovered what was.

All major aspects of American life were harmed or transformed -- transportation, finances, trade, international respect, military competence, homeland as well as personal security, national unity,
racial and religious harmony, political stability -- all were forever
changed, and not for the best.

We know millions of "Americans" want to "get" the Muslims, pay 'em back for
9/11!

But YOU know in your heart-of-hearts we can never trump, never emulate the day the Twin Towers fell, a day some people still call a "work of art," so flawlessly was it pulled off.

It is beyond undoing!

But what better way to ease your pain, your rage, your sense of
powerlessness -- than to accede to U.S. magnanimity and acquiesce in
the go-ahead to build the mosque.

In the end, this is the only payback for 9/11 that has a chance to demonstrate the enduring power and spirit of America.

For to deny the mosque, in its planned location, will forever seal the
terrorists' victory.

Over you and your country.

Posted by: kinkysr | August 15, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse


it's not at ground zero folks.

duh, how many times do you want me to post it.

It is 2 to 3 blocks up.

The American Express Building has a prayer room (the reflection room). Why can't a community center away from Ground Zero have one.

THe President's words stand.
they have the right to build it under the Constitution, but is it wise to build it is the question.

When one realizes it is not at Ground Zero and 2 to 3 (2.5 blocks) away...the argument becomes emotional and not factual.

One would have to declare all of Manhatten Holy Ground or the entire NYC holy ground.

The argument that the community center with a prayer room is being built on hallow ground doesn't cut it.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

The GOP should pay Obama to keep making comments on current events - everytime he opens his mouth he loses voters who switch back the the GOP after listening to Obama's absurd comments. Who needs money when you are running against Obama, Pelosi and Reid?

Posted by: Realist201 | August 15, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I think it is telling that Obama did not attend the Arlington Cemetery ceremony, nor did he attend the Boy Scouts of America Jamboree 100 year celebration. But yet he made time to host a Ramadan dinner.

With the Arlington Cemetery ceremony he opted to hangout with his Chicago buddies. With Boy Scouts of America Jamboree he chose to appear on a woman’s gossip TV show. Makes us wonder where his priorities lie.

Isn’t it ironic that people have been killed/beheaded and other lives threatened merely for daring to draw a picture of their prophet mohammed. The muslims are incensed that anyone that does such a deed is “insensitive” to islam. Yet, it is ok to build a “trophy” mosque near the very site that 3,000 innocent Americans died. Bloomberg said shame on us for being intolerant. I say to Obama, Bloomberg, and Cuomo shame on you for being insensitive to those of us who oppose erecting this building of utter disrespect so close to our beloved Ground Zero.

BTW, I purposely did not capitalize islam, mohammed, or muslims, for to do so shows respect.

Posted by: cperr57 | August 15, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I think it is telling that Obama did not attend the Arlington Cemetery ceremony, nor did he attend the Boy Scouts of America Jamboree 100 year celebration. But yet he made time to host a Ramadan dinner.

With the Arlington Cemetery ceremony he opted to hangout with his Chicago buddies. With Boy Scouts of America Jamboree he chose to appear on a woman’s gossip TV show. Makes us wonder where his priorities lie.

Isn’t it ironic that people have been killed/beheaded and other lives threatened merely for daring to draw a picture of their prophet mohammed. The muslims are incensed that anyone that does such a deed is “insensitive” to islam. Yet, it is ok to build a “trophy” mosque near the very site that 3,000 innocent Americans died. Bloomberg said shame on us for being intolerant. I say to Obama, Bloomberg, and Cuomo shame on you for being insensitive to those of us who oppose erecting this building of utter disrespect so close to our beloved Ground Zero.

BTW, I purposely did not capitalize islam, mohammed, or muslims, for to do so shows respect.

Posted by: cperr57 | August 15, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama is mealy mouthing the issue now. He stuck his foot in his mouth lecturing (again), and is trying to qualify his own comments.

He dropped his drawers and showed his true colors. He hates the country and most of the citizenry.

Posted by: arioch666 | August 15, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

So what's new? The Republicans criticize everything. Rep. Nadler has it right. It is al-Qaeda who attacked us. It was not the Muslim religion which attacked us.

I see this issue as somewhat akin to the internment of the Japanese citizens in WWII. It was something done to our own citizens for non-constitutional reasons. It is still a black mark in our history.

I admire President Obama for standing exactly where he stands. He restated the constitutional affirmations of freedom of religion and separation of church and state, and then he acknowledged that the final decision belongs to New York. The final decision needs to be made according to zoning and other laws of New York.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | August 15, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse


No OTHER Religion would have received what amounts to a national level ENDORSEMENT in what is basically a New York City zoning issue.

Bringing Religion front and center on the national stage, especially the religion shared by those responsible for 9/11 the worst terror attack in our history, was UNWISE.

Posted by: chicago77 | August 15, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Here are some words from a one time wise President on the issue. And although they were spoken while the 9/11 wounds were still bleeding, they ring true even today.

"we should not hold one who is a Muslim responsible for an act of terror." Pres. George W. Bush. http://islam.about.com/library/weekly/aa091401a.htm”

Posted by: AverageJane | August 15, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Who Cares ??

The big fake Christian Repuglican politicians raped our bank accounts and now it even hard to pay for repairs of an old car.

More Bushies in 2010? Forget about it, Newt!

Posted by: hhkeller | August 15, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse


Minnesota Under Attack From Sharia Law?


This is one the best, clearest-cut examples of how Muslims are attempting to convert America to Sharia law. It is a bold, overt, and aggressive campaign to change the fiber of American way of lfe. The sad part is that it appears to be working.

http://patriotupdate.com/stories/read/4658/Minnesota-Under-Attack-From-Sharia-Law-


Posted by: AJAX2 | August 15, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

The mosque comments make by Obama shows where his sympathies lie. A religion adviser to President Obama has close ties to the imam who wants to build a 13-story Islamic cultural center near Ground Zero. The two have been documented together discussing America as "the ideal place for a renewal of Islam," WND has learned.

In February, Obama named a Chicago Muslim, Eboo Patel, to his Advisory Council on Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships. Patel is the founder and executive director of Chicago-based Interfaith Youth Core, which says it promotes pluralism by teaming people of different faiths on service projects.
While Obama is still in office, he should consider other religions with Presidential endorsement on specific activities to advance that religion. The Islam religion of Muslims should be compared to the Christian religion. Much of the Koran is teachings of the Prophet Muhammad and much of the Bible is teachings of Jesus Christ.
Some scholars think that Islam is a religion of a world community, imam, such as the Islamic Republic of Iran and citizens of the country conform to the teachings of the Islam clerics. In contrast, Christianity is a religion of the kingdom of heaven, not this world, but the one to come. When religions are compared to one another, think about doctrines with political interest and separation of church and state.

Posted by: klausdmk | August 15, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse


Minnesota Under Attack From Sharia Law?


This is one the best, clearest-cut examples of how Muslims are attempting to convert America to Sharia law. It is a bold, overt, and aggressive campaign to change the fiber of American way of lfe. The sad part is that it appears to be working.

http://patriotupdate.com/stories/read/4658/Minnesota-Under-Attack-From-Sharia-Law-


Posted by: AJAX2 | August 15, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse


Catholic priests were off the hook for being sexual predators.

I would think that this religion has had the highest controversy and special treatment above all others.

Most of them are still walking around doing the same thing they have done for decades.

And 144 Cardinals of Vatican City couldn't put back the mess they made.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Why does the Left constantly subvert the truth?

This was never about Freedom of Religion. This is about respecting hallowed ground. Muslims are certainly free to worship in the U.S. Just NOT at ground zero.

Posted by: EcoAZ1 | August 15, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Why won't islamic countries allow building of christian churches and synagogues in their nations? Is this religious freedom and tolerance. Muslims have been beheading and massacred infidels for thousands of years,what makes anybody think that they don't want anymore to convert the whole world to Islam if they have power to do it . Would you not become a suicide bomber to achieve martyrdom and live with your beloved Allah in heaven with 72 headless virgens. Islamic people are treacherous and liars and the only good muslims are dead muslims, otherwise the 99 % moderate muslims would have already eliminated easily and much earlier their 1 % islamic fanatic brothers so that Islam will be respected as a peaceful religion,tolerant,respect their women and to be trusted. Unfortunately they haven't changed for thousands of years and the moderate muslims are unwilling to eliminate their stone -age , barbaric brothers. Just condeming them is unacceptable since infidels are being beheaded and massacred everyday. How could these 99 % moderate muslims just sit idly by while their religion is being tarnished,mocked and disrespected by their 1 % islamic fanatic brothers. The only reasons are they actually approve these barbaric acts and even support them with money, training and give them sanctuary. It is time for the 99% moderate muslims to prove once and for all if they really want to co-exist and tolerate freedom of religion with the infidels. It is up to them to DISPROVE NOW that the only "Good MUSLIMS are Dead MUSLIMS". How hard could it be to let it happen. Remember 9/11, the 1993 WTC garage bombing,the Khobar tower bombing of the housing complex of the US Military in Saudi Arabia, the massacre of the 200 US Marine in their barracks bombing in Lebanon, Fort Hood massacre , the bombing of USS Cole in Yemen, the bombing of 2 US embassies in Africa, the Christmas day underwear and Times square bombings. How much more of these can we tolerate. Should we wait until Iran have already thousands of intercontinental ballistic missiles with thousands of nuclear warheads? WE already have their barbaric actions,recorded and repeated again and again for thousands of years.

Posted by: mahalapril | August 15, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Why won't islamic countries allow building of christian churches and synagogues in their nations? Is this religious freedom and tolerance. Muslims have been beheading and massacred infidels for thousands of years,what makes anybody think that they don't want anymore to convert the whole world to Islam if they have power to do it . Would you not become a suicide bomber to achieve martyrdom and live with your beloved Allah in heaven with 72 headless virgens. Islamic people are treacherous and liars and the only good muslims are dead muslims, otherwise the 99 % moderate muslims would have already eliminated easily and much earlier their 1 % islamic fanatic brothers so that Islam will be respected as a peaceful religion,tolerant,respect their women and to be trusted. Unfortunately they haven't changed for thousands of years and the moderate muslims are unwilling to eliminate their stone -age , barbaric brothers. Just condeming them is unacceptable since infidels are being beheaded and massacred everyday. How could these 99 % moderate muslims just sit idly by while their religion is being tarnished,mocked and disrespected by their 1 % islamic fanatic brothers. The only reasons are they actually approve these barbaric acts and even support them with money, training and give them sanctuary. It is time for the 99% moderate muslims to prove once and for all if they really want to co-exist and tolerate freedom of religion with the infidels. It is up to them to DISPROVE NOW that the only "Good MUSLIMS are Dead MUSLIMS". How hard could it be to let it happen. Remember 9/11, the 1993 WTC garage bombing,the Khobar tower bombing of the housing complex of the US Military in Saudi Arabia, the massacre of the 200 US Marine in their barracks bombing in Lebanon, Fort Hood massacre , the bombing of USS Cole in Yemen, the bombing of 2 US embassies in Africa, the Christmas day underwear and Times square bombings. How much more of these can we tolerate. Should we wait until Iran have already thousands of intercontinental ballistic missiles with thousands of nuclear warheads? WE already have their barbaric actions,recorded and repeated again and again for thousands of years.

Posted by: mahalapril | August 15, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Fist of all ...... Muslims have been praying in that particular area ever since they bought the building, years ago. This building upgrade is nothing new. Secondly, there is nothing "hallowed" about the World Trade Center. It was an edifice that flaunted the power of capitalism, i.e. a false idol reaching towards heaven ala "The Tower of Babel"..

Much ado about nothing, misdirected anger.

Posted by: Taylorsucram | August 15, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather see a center for Humanism, a school, a medical facility, or anything else other than yet another place dedicated to religious superstition and nonsense.

More importantly, President Obama and politicians of all stripes and levels must actively practice separation of state and religion and leave religious opinions to the public voice and to courts of law.

Posted by: Chapringo | August 15, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse


It seems to me the PROPER jurisdiction for this issue is rightly with the people of New York and their repressentatives and their zoning board.

Why did it rise to the NATIONAL LEVEL and who made it a IN YOUR FACE moment?

Posted by: chicago77 | August 15, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

How about a quid pro quo ...

No mosque at Ground Zero; no AIPAC offices in Washington.

Posted by: HughBriss | August 15, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Build the mosque on the land fill on Staten Island. Then when one of the jihadists there commit and act of terrorism we can bury it under garbage.

Posted by: werowe1 | August 15, 2010 12:58 agreed let them try and build let the unions screw em to death charge 10x going rate for everything demand 24/7 security make em pay for it when builing is done open a gay cabaret right next to it w/pix of muhumed eating pig drinking pigs blood, and getting boinked by a young gentlemen, ahhh freedom of religion and tolerance gotta love it.

Muslims and Islam do not mix w/western civilization they are intolerant sick and twisted and the cause of almost all the blight and inhumanity in the world
they are worst than any plague sickness cancer or tragedy actually they are a tragedy

Posted by: lildg54 | August 15, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

In his first comment President Obama stated the obvious about freedom of religion in this country. Nobody denies that freedom. But it wasn't a complete statement. Is he the only prominent American who will not take a stand on the building of the Mosque? I am pretty sure of his position. Too bad the President can't completely join in the debate.

Posted by: bobbo2 | August 15, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse


the community cener is not AT GROUND ZERO.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse


Seperation of Church and State is based on the Constitution.

It seems that good sense that is being ignored with this National Level Endorsement of a particular religion.

NO OTHER RELIGION gets this kind of SPECIAL TREATMENT from the highest level.

Posted by: chicago77 | August 15, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Chicago77 wrote:
"It appears the group spearheading this project are quite insensitive as to location and context of this structure.
The only question is whether it deliberately so."
Not quite. This is only a issue because talking heads decided to exploit the ignorance of some Americans who think we are in a holy war. We are not. There are 1.7 billion Muslims in the world, we are not at war with them. We wouldn't stop a Christian church from going up near the Oklahoma city bombing site because Timothy McVeigh considered himself a Christian, now would we. ... and its 2 blocks away at a old Burlington coat factory. Talking heads like to invite outrage and anger because its good for ratings, but good for little else.
We didn't blame all Christians for the actions of McVeigh, that would be silly, wouldn't it?

Posted by: timbern | August 15, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

America, land of the cowards, home of the haters.

They will throw away their own Constitution in the same year they gather together to protest that it isn't being adhered to.

You don't get to cherry-pick the Bill of Rights.

They would throw the Japanese Americans right back into internment camps if Pearl Harbor were repeated. They've learned nothing, advanced nowhere.

Posted by: hitpoints | August 15, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse


Doesn't NYC have the largest population of Muslims in the USA??????

The new issue is Americanized Muslims vs Radicalized Muslims.

Americans seem highly upset about ths issue. But ya know, it could be an Oklahoma City all over again.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone actually surprised that our Muslim/Marxist in the WH, Barack Obama, would do anything other than agree to desecrate the memory of 9/11 with his initial "unconditional" support for the construction of a "Victory" mosque at Ground Zero! After all, this is a man who bows before Muslim leaders; and, has expressed nothing but contempt for our Constitution, and America in its present form. No doubt he would also support the imposition of Sharia on American society. But, before the Sun had set on his comments before the Islamic dinner, our National disgrace NOW wants to recant his earlier remarks after his statement was greeted with overwhelming public condemnation. A recant that was later clarified, re-clarified; and, again further defined. What a pitiful excuse for a man. If it's not yet clear to most that it's Obama's intention to destroy America in its present form; and, convert our Nation to his vision of a Marxist Socialist society then simply make an objective review his radical re-distributionist policies. With a public sector background limited to that of a community agitator for ACORN, Obama repeatedly demonstrates that he's little more than a "buffoon". This deeply flawed man is a real and present danger to both the economic and National security interests of the United States; and, must be removed from office by the Congress at the soonest opportunity. The WH will have to be fumigated for weeks after the Obama's departure. In the interim, let's send him on an extended vacation to Siberia until after 2012. Greg Neubeck

Posted by: gneubeck | August 15, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

No matter how you feel about this proposed Muslim mosque and center near Ground Zero (and I personally think it's a lousy idea -- but that really doesn't matter because that's not a standard for making this zoning decision), the Republicans who criticize it are urging the City of New York to violate a law they enthusiastically passed in the 1990s: the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA).

How deliciously ironic can you get with the hypocritical Republican/T Party leadership eager to break this law that they passed by denying zoning approval for the proposed Muslim center in Manhattan?

As far as the Republicans/T Party folk are concerned, the rule of law applies only when they agree with the result. They don't let a law that they championed get in their way when they seek to make political capital out of their bigotry.
Under RLUIPA, it is abundantly clear that it would be blatantly illegal to deny the zoning applications for the proposed Muslim center and mosque. This is a law that Newt Gingrich supported -- and now he urges violating it to benefit his political career.

So now Ed Rollins, Peter King, John Cornyn, Kevin McCarthy, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, and the other hypocrites who supported this law are urging the City of New York to violate it because they don't like the result if the City of New York complies with it.

The whole idea behind the law was to raise the zoning bar for denying a religious use when public opinion opposes the use. And now the two-faced Republicans are saying that public opinion should trump the law. What hypocrites!

Don't they know you don't get to pick and choose which laws you follow?

Once again Ed Rollins, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and the rest of the Republican/T Party leadership reveal that they are the most unamerican politicians of all! They should be hanging their heads in shame.

Posted by: dl49 | August 15, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Let’s stop for a moment and ask a simple question: where did all these Jihadi terrorists come from? The history of these “terrorists” is a story of shame and pain. Our (US) response to the Soviet Union in the 1980s was not confined to the tactical guerilla warfare field only; a massive anti-Russia propaganda campaign was accompanied by efforts to instill the “spirit of jihad” into the hearts and minds of Afghan children and teenagers alike. Millions of dollars and riyals (Saudi Arabian currency) were spent on the “jihadisation” of the Afghan primary and middle school curricula. Then, the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) commissioned the Center for Afghanistan Studies (CAS), University of Nebraska, Omaha, to review the Afghan curricula and mold it in line with the anti-Russian policy objectives of the US-led jihad. Under a $43 million USAID-financed project, around 4-dozen University of Nebraska faculty and staff members worked overtime to produce more than 15 million textbooks in Pashto and Dari (two primary languages in Afghanistan) for distribution among children, largely living in the refugee camps set up in Pakistan – and partially in Iran. Along with a chain of jihadi madrasahs in the Pak-Afghan border regions, the CIA contrived – with the active support from the ISI- to harvest a militarized civil society that would furnish physical sustenance in addition to providing ideological support to jihadis raised at madrasahs. But, when the US and the Soviet Union agreed to stop fighting the proxy war in Afghanistan in 1989, these jihadis were abandoned in the mountain areas of Pakistan. Fast forward to 9/11/2001: Chickens have come home to roost!

Posted by: getrealamerica | August 15, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse


So much for Seperation of Mosque and State.

Posted by: chicago77 | August 15, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

paultaylor1,

So much for religious freedom as a fundamental American right. Essentially you are saying that Americans are cowards who run at the sight of a bleeping community center with a mosque attached to it. Fortunately, I know plenty of New Yorkers -- including victims families -- who live by a higher standard and who value fundamental American values including religious liberty more than the GOP does these days. Guys like you are a gift to Bin Laden.

I thought we were fighting to defend American freedoms, not destroy them.

Posted by: JPRS | August 15, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

paultaylor1,

So much for religious freedom as a fundamental American right. Essentially you are saying that Americans are cowards who run at the sight of a friggen community center with a mosque attached to it. Fortunately, I know plenty of New Yorkers -- including victims families -- who live by a higher standard and who value fundamental American values including religious liberty more than the GOP does these days. Guys like you are a gift to Bin Laden.

I thought we were fighting to defend American freedoms, not destroy them.

Posted by: JPRS | August 15, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

What is so wrong with President Obama's statements on this?

"The right to build the center is protected by the US Constitution, but is it wise to do it is another question"

Key issues - again, the rule of law under the Constituion wins the "right to build".

The "wise to do it" brings the controversy and the emotions out. The outcry is based in the "is it wise to do it".

President Obama said exactly what he needed to say (on the national level). He has been direct with his statements so everyone understands.

Let the local government fight it out.
Bloomberg is in favor of it. Change the zoning laws or something if there is such outcry.
///
Please try to keep in mind, that it is not AT Ground Zero. And it's a community center with a prayer room in it.
What's the big whoop?

Hospitals have chapels in them to pray for sick friends and relatives.

Masonic Temples are all over the place.


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse


No OTHER Religion would have received what amounts to a national level ENDORSEMENT in what is basically a New York City zoning issue.

Bringing Religion front and center on the national stage, especially the religion shared by those responsible for 9/11 the worst terror attack in our history, was UNWISE.

It appears the group spearheading this project are quite insensitive as to location and context of this structure.
The only question is whether it deliberately so.

If their objective was to divide and harm relations, with the community and with most Americans, they achieved that goal;
if not they should go back to the drawing board.

Posted by: chicago77 | August 15, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

The president is out of touch with the people????? Is that the new republican scam??? Well the republicans aren't out of touch are they. They just don't give a rats a*s about the American people.
The entire republican platform is built on deception and lies based around a sinister platform of elitist racism.
Now, who is really out of touch here?

Posted by: sammsammus | August 15, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Is hate based moralizing hypocritical?

Posted by: whocares666 | August 15, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

THERE WERE MUSLIMS TOO WHO DIED IN THIS 9/11 TRAGEDY, THEREFORE, THE MOSQUE BY ITSELF DESERVES TO BE THERE.

BUT ZIONIST CLOWN OBAMA GRABBED THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME GOOD IMAGE PUBLICATIONS BY SUPPORTING A MOSQUE NEAR 9/11 SITE IN ORDER TO PRESS ANOTHER RHETORICS AGAINST IRAN IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
Because, Recent Poll: Arab majority believes nuclear Iran helps Mideast
Earlier this month a New York City agency cleared the way for construction of Cordoba House.

OBAMA ALSO SHOULD SAY
"Let me be clear: as a citizen, and as president, I believe thaT Iran has the same right to nuclear Technology as any country else in this world."

Posted by: clownsandliars1 | August 15, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

THERE WERE MUSLIMS TOO WHO DIED IN THIS 9/11 TRAGEDY, THEREFORE, THE MOSQUE BY ITSELF DESERVES TO BE THERE.

BUT ZIONIST CLOWN OBAMA GRABBED THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME GOOD IMAGE PUBLICATIONS BY SUPPORTING A MOSQUE NEAR 9/11 SITE IN ORDER TO PRESS ANOTHER RHETORICS AGAINST IRAN IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
Because, Recent Poll: Arab majority believes nuclear Iran helps Mideast
Earlier this month a New York City agency cleared the way for construction of Cordoba House.

OBAMA ALSO SHOULD SAY
"Let me be clear: as a citizen, and as president, I believe thaT Iran has the same right to nuclear Technology as any country else in this world."

Posted by: clownsandliars1 | August 15, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

THERE WERE MUSLIMS TOO WHO DIED IN THIS 9/11 TRAGEDY, THEREFORE, THE MOSQUE BY ITSELF DESERVES TO BE THERE.

BUT ZIONIST CLOWN OBAMA GRABBED THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME GOOD IMAGE PUBLICATIONS BY SUPPORTING A MOSQUE NEAR 9/11 SITE IN ORDER TO PRESS ANOTHER RHETORICS AGAINST IRAN IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
Because, Recent Poll: Arab majority believes nuclear Iran helps Mideast
Earlier this month a New York City agency cleared the way for construction of Cordoba House.

OBAMA ALSO SHOULD SAY
"Let me be clear: as a citizen, and as president, I believe thaT Iran has the same right to nuclear Technology as any country else in this world."

Posted by: clownsandliars1 | August 15, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

**AND, STILL ANOTHER “TEACHABLE MOMENT” FROM PROFESSOR OBAMA!**
QUESTION: …………Did HE LEARN ANYTHING?????

He was for the mosque before he was against it, or was it vice versa, or did he know what he meant?

I seriously doubt that many Americans would care about locations of mosques in our towns, cities or villages. I do think that Americans have sensibilities about them as to where such places of worship are located.

In all candor, think that there were few sensibilities on the part of Muslims even considering the location in question. WHY WOULD THEY CHOOSE A SITE, SO CLOSE TO THE MURDERING OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENTS, AT THE HANDS OF RADICAL MEMBERS OF THEIR FAITH??

President Obama’s statement was astonishing – absolutely astonishing!
The big question I have is why is he so ANTI AMERICAN? It gave him a great life!! Look at where he is, vice his brother in Kenya, or his aunt living in subsidized housing in Boston!! He comes across so unappreciative and egotistically loquacious!

WHAT WAS HE THINKING??

He is getting to the point where he points out to us on a daily basis what a tragic mistake we made in November 2008. The democratic congress – though some are honorable people – needs to be replaced in 2010 simply to realign the BALANCE OF POWER.

Posted by: wheeljc | August 15, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Mosques have traditionally been built at the site of military conquests, as a symbol of victory. Perhaps this fact is unknown or under reported, but it is a historical fact that seems more than coincidental.

Posted by: meinsenkaye007 | August 15, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Some people haven't figured it out yet.

All this commotion about putting that mosque as close to Ground Zero as possible, for whatever political or religious inspiration, by its sponsors, is just a prelude to the heat that will have been stirred up by the time the building will be built. And afterwards.

If this nation wants something to fight about, here at home, and we are already fighting Islamic terrorism abroad, futilely, this issue is just perfect. So, either bring it on or settle the problem peacefully by relocating the mosque.

Posted by: paultaylor1 | August 15, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

whoever said "those people" dont have a sense of humor. Can you picture a muslim or arab giggling over this?
they love to get under our skin.

Posted by: Yankeee | August 15, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

So Republican opposition to religious liberty is going to be a central part of the Fall campaign?

If they want to talk about that OK. Of course, there are bigger issues facing the country. I suspect there are probably pretty good reasons why the GOP doesn't want to talk about them -- or about their track record on those issues (e.g. economic policy for starters). Presumably they don't want to talk about the dirty money that's funding their campaigns this election cycle either. I don't blame them.

Posted by: JPRS | August 15, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

You people who defend the mosque miss the point. You don't get to tell people how to FEEL about this mosque. At the end of the day YOU LOSE when you do. Calling people bigots only reaffirms what they already think about liberals. Pushy and self-absorbed. They care about thier OWN agenda which includes trying to cobble together special interests groups like Muslims to vote Democrat for life and NEVER consider the issues before the country. Putting your politcial ambitions ahead of people sensitivities is going to COST YOU political support that you should have NEVER recieved in the first place from fair-minded Americans. Get ready for Novemeber.

Posted by: pga301 | August 15, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama is making a habit of turning his back on Americans. In Arizona he backs Mexico instead of the citizens of AZ. In Louisiana, he bans new drilling in the gulf and puts over 100,000 US citizens out of work. He introduces a healthcare overhaul that the majority of American people do not want. He drives up the national debt as though in an attempt destroy the future US economy. He is increasing the size of the government with stimuli instead or stimulating the private sector that pays for the government. In foreign visits he berates the USA, apologizes for America’s behavior, and sides with enemies. In NY, he sides with insensitive Muslims instead of the families of thousands of 9/11 victims. He creates a huge gap between Israel and the US and at the same time he kisses up to the Muslim enemies of that country. It all appears to be a deliberate attempt to destroy America, its institutions, and values.

This is not just the worst President in history; this is an evil President out to destroy the best country that has ever existed in the history of the world.

Posted by: PickyBiker | August 15, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

OK, a little history lesson for you slow kids-
Catholicism is a cult or a "political party" (the new argument being proffered by the Right to justify their xenophobia) just like Islam. The Catholics are well versed in the concept of Jihad. They called it "Just War", but it's just Jihad in English.
Catholics regularly employ violence to enforce their will. To wit:
-Catholics killed hundreds in Ireland during The Troubles. ALL Catholic churches out of Ireland now!
-Catholics brought the Inquisition to Spain, killing anyone who would not renounce religions other than Catholicism. ALL Catholic churches out of Spain now!
-Catholics brought the Crusades to the Middle East, killing untold numbers in the name of God for TWO CENTURIES. ALL Catholic churches out of the Middle East now!
Catholics killed Protestants and others in France, Germany, Belgium, and other European countries. ALL Catholic churches out of Europe now!

"But wait!" You cry, "There were many powerful factors behind the scenes. Ireland's Troubles was REALLY about who Northern Ireland belonged to, not religion."
Or do you? Well, you should.
Islam is not the enemy. The exploiters of Islam and all religions around the world are the enemy. And the exploiters of fear and disunity in this country are the enemy.
In the end, you must understand this indisputable fact: The average Muslim, like the average Catholic, Protestant, or Jew, just wants to mow his lawn in peace. He wants to raise and love his family, he wants to prosper, and he wants to have friends in every corner of his world. He has no interest or desire to bring even discomfort to his neighbor, much less violent destruction. Just like you.
Everything else is propaganda.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | August 15, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse


Following the law of the Constitution far out weighs the emotions of people.

It may be a sore spot for some people, but under our US Constitution founding document.....and important enough to be the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights too.......the law wins.

People can cry in their soup and beer as much as they want......it's still a lawful right to build the center. Zoning laws and local government have their say don't forget. This is a local matter too. They already tried to halt it by bringing in the aspect of it's a "historical site". That didn't cut it.

Whether it is a wise choice is left to personal opinion only.

It's a community center with a prayer room in it BTW.

And it will be under surveillance big time, you can believe that.

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Islamic worshipping people who have become American citizens have the right to worship where they please. There are mosques in other parts of NYC.

However, if they are illegal aliens, well forget it then. They should be deported.
Kinda sorta like Arizona.

Law enforcement will find a way to check and double check the comings and goings.

It can be built..but is it wise to build it...heck....is it safe to build it -is another question.

I said yesterday, it will be torched within 3 weeks. I'm taking wagers in a pool for it......(hearty grins)


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Since when does the President or the Democratic Party have a monopoly on having it both ways?

Posted by: ravensfan20008 | August 15, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

It is perfectly acceptable for the Jews in the Anti Defamation League to discriminate against Muslims. But, heaven forbid if someone makes a disparaging remark against Jews.

Posted by: laurelphoto | August 15, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

No debate here. Obama was, is, and will stay a liar. He will do and say whatever he thinks will get him the votes to stay in office. Now it's time for the liberal media to step up to the plate and expose this guy for what he really is.

When Tiger Woods went off the rails, you guys found out every last detail, even the club used to smash the window of his SUV. Here we have a president with a very troubling background and you are mute? It's time that you did your job.

Posted by: jemvbcnyc | August 15, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

No debate here. Obama was, is, and will stay a liar. He will do and say whatever he thinks will get him the votes to stay in office. Now it's time for the liberal media to step up to the plate and expose this guy for what he really is.

When Tiger Woods went off the rails, you guys found out every last detail, even the club used to smash the window of his SUV. Here we have a president with a very troubling background and you are mute? It's time that you did your job.

Posted by: jemvbcnyc | August 15, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

No debate here. Obama was, is, and will stay a liar. He will do and say whatever he thinks will get him the votes to stay in office. Now it's time for the liberal media to step up to the plate and expose this guy for what he really is.

When Tiger Woods went off the rails, you guys found out every last detail, even the club used to smash the window of his SUV. Here we have a president with a very troubling background and you are mute? It's time that you did your job.

Posted by: jemvbcnyc | August 15, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

my suspicion is there are hundreds if not thousands of muslim americans that have been working for the CIA,MILITARYand several other intelligence agencies that are working hard to keep america safe.

Posted by: donaldtucker | August 15, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many of those who are so outspoken in opposition to the President's comments actually listened to or read his speech. I thought it was an eloquent defense of one of our basic values and rights -- freedom of religion, a right that does differentiate the U.S. from other countries around the world. And he framed his defense in the historical context of our founding documents.

All polls suggest that we are a religious nation --- BUT, we are not a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation or a Hindu nation or a Buddhist nation.... we are the United States of America, where all can worship.

I don't think the President had much choice, because this issue was already politicized, with Republican presidential hopefuls like Newt Gingrich using hyperbolic fear-mongering about Sharia law supplanting our Constitution and making pompous statements such as "we'll build mosques in America when they build churches in Saudi Arabia".

Posted by: pat3walters | August 15, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The right to build the muslim political center and mosque on supposed private property no longer exists. In 2005, the Supreme Court ruled that the New London, CT. city government could force homeowners from their property to make way for a private commercial developement. The city's justification was the tax revenue that would be generated. If the city of New York prefers to have a revenue generating private enterprise instead of a tax-free political organization on that site, that's law.

Posted by: corsonc | August 15, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

""It's going to be a big, big issue for Democrats across this country," Rollins said."

I wonder how long the Republican party will continue to use 9/11 and the emotions surrounding that tragedy for their political benefit. No Republican had the guts to stand up to Bush when he politicized 9/11. No one had the guts to say, this event is too important to be dragged into the sewers of politics. But, I guess when you have no principles or ethics, winning can seem like everything.


Has Hamas ever attacked America? Not to my knowledge, but maybe I missed something.

Posted by: writinron | August 15, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

So is Rep. King taking time off from defending the pederasts in the Vatican?

Posted by: Garak | August 15, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

So is Rep. King taking time off from defending the pederasts in the Vatican?

Posted by: Garak | August 15, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Amendment I (1791)

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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The community center is 2 blocks away from Ground Zero. The AMerican Express building is right across from where the WTC Towers were. It got damaged. But you don't see us declaring the American Express building holy ground.
2 blocks away from Ground Zero is not the gravesite of Ground Zero.



Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Wow! So it would be okay to build a church or a synagogue there right? Do you know that there were Muslims among those killed in the towers. My friends cousin who was a doctor was on his way to work and turned back to help in the twin towers and he died and he was a Muslim. By builing a mosque, I dont understand how it is offending the victims? Muslims have a right ot worship as does anyone in this great country of ours.

Posted by: abc12311 | August 15, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"Tolerance" and "freedom of religion" are western notions not adhered to by the Muslims. Let them build their mosque on the landfill at Staten Island. Then when one of their parisioners commit an act of terrorism we can bury it under garbage.

Posted by: werowe1 | August 15, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

New Yorkers who are opposed to the community center sound exactly like people who opposed desegregation.

They just insist that emotions are too raw and they demand sensitivity to their feelings.

Of course, the one thing they could do that desegregation opponents could not do is buy the property from the developer. If it is really such a priority, ask the Muslim developers what price they would accept to relocate their center elsewhere.

It's quite possible that the developers could build a center three times the size at a location three times more valuable with the proceeds. Or are the opponents just not that serious?

Posted by: blasmaic | August 15, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Build the mosque on the land fill on Staten Island. Then when one of the jihadists there commit and act of terrorism we can bury it under garbage.

Posted by: werowe1 | August 15, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse


I watched State of the Union.
They had a clip of the President speaking on camera in between taking dips in the ocean.

There is a right under the Constitution to build it, but I will not comment on the wisdom of building it.

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And why shouldn't the President put forth remarks on this issue. It's caused a national controversy. OMG, people would have criticized him IF he DID NOT address the issue.
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Do I have to cut and paste the First AMendment into the comments again???

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | August 15, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

The President was correct to defend the Bill of Rights. He was right to say things the way he said it.
It is unfortunate that politics led to this being an endorcement of the mosque. I listened to what he said and I did not hear that at all. The next day the President clarified correctly.
If you put on your thinking cap for a moment then you can't on the one hand endorce the Bill of Rights and then from the position of power state that "then they should do thus and so". The President did not do this...and that was the correct thing to do. It is up to the people who want to build the mosque. And, by the way, people who oppose the placement are free under the Bill of Rights to protest the placement. That is our way!

Posted by: AZdave | August 15, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I understand the sentiments on display in this debate, but I support the Muslim Center project. As a society we have to understand that not all Muslims are terrorists and that not all terrorists are Muslims. If the project were to be built by al-Qaida or the Taliban, then the outrage would be wholly justified. Now is the time to heal wounds and have open communication to better American's dismal understanding of Islam. Now is not a time for inflammatory rhetoric from the political talking heads of either party.

Posted by: BillB7 | August 15, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I understand the sentiments on display in this debate, but I support the Muslim Center project. As a society we have to understand that not all Muslims are terrorists and that not all terrorists are Muslims. If the project were to built by al-Qaida or the Taliban, then the outrage would be wholly justified. Now is the time to heal wounds and have open communication to better American's dismal understanding of Islam. Now is not a time for inflammatory rhetoric from the political talking heads of either party.

Posted by: BillB7 | August 15, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

This just in,

Obama and Osama to hold beer summit on White House lawn......

Posted by: askgees | August 15, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

They can build the mosque but there is no doubt this is a slap in our face. First of all, what is this group doing free to travel for the state dept. on our dime? This only shows us we need to clean out the idiots making such moronic decisions in our State Dept. Funny how the people for this mosque are screaming they believe in separation of church and state but they pay for a muslim to travel for our government on some phony mission. I demand this group's financing be monitored. The Cordoba project is a 100 year plan to push islam on the US but this group supports Hamas. Part of the group have already been indicted for funneling money to Hamas. This sure stinks.
And the sheer hypocrisy. They want to build a mosque for this so called religion that preaches hate on every street corner but they will not let churches be built in their countries. Turkey was once Christian but now Christians there cannot even have schools. But of course there are muslim schools. Muslims say what you want to hear but the actions do not match their words. Sounds like our President doesn't it?

Posted by: greatgran1 | August 15, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

So did Obama endorse or not endorse building the mosque/center near Ground Zero? This situation is reminiscent of that which forced Obama to host the "beer summit." He talks with no regard for the consequences of what he says. That may be effective while campaigning but not while governing.

Obama should have pointed out that Muslims have freedom of religion in this nation but that practice of that right should be accompanied by respect for others. By insisting on building the mosque/center in close proximity to Ground Zero, the Muslims are thumbing their noses not only at the families of the 9/11 victims but also at all Americans whom the Muslims regard as "infidels."

At the White House Ramadan dinner, Obama stated: "And we can only achieve 'liberty and justice for all' if we live by that one rule at the heart of every religion, including Islam--that we do undo others as we would have them do unto us."

Obama's multicultural platitudes don't translate into theology. The "heart" of all religions can't be reduced to adherence to the Golden Rule, particularly Islam. Islam does not ask its followers to do unto infidels as they would have infidels do unto them. Islam instructs its followers to subdue infidels, even to kill infidels. That certainly doesn't adhere to the Golden Rule, much less to our nation's claim that all are created equal.

Posted by: judithod | August 15, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Just take up Patterson on his offer and build the mosque elsewhere. Just imagine, this entire issue would go away. However the offering was denied by the backers of this project. So knowing they have caused much pain to million they still want to build the mosque on this site instead of COMPROMISING in this particular case and taking up the offer.

I think that pretty much explains why so many do not believe the mosque is meant to heal.

Posted by: jkachmar | August 15, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), whose district includes Ground Zero, countered that there is a "fundamental mistake" behind the thinking of those opposed to the project.

"The fallacy is that al-Qaeda attacked us. Islam did not attack us," Nadler said.

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Well, if you ever wondered what Jerry Nadler ate for breakfast, here's your answer: oaf-meal. The Times Square bomber, shoe bombers, Christmas Eve bombers, London bombers, Major Hassan, embassy bombers, etc., etc., etc. Yep, Jerry, electricity is measured in voltage. You're measured in doltage. The guy behind the mosque wants Sharia law implemented in the US. Here's a great example of Sharia, enacted on behalf of "Allah, the most merciful," where an 8-year-old boy is maimed for life for taking a loaf of bread from a market:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-EmdH6g_lR0I/8_years_old_boy_punished_in_the_name_if_islam/

Have at it, Jerry. Since you're such a swell(ing) guy, have the mosque built in your front yard. Better yet, invite its leaders to live next door. Then, when this is atrocity is visited upon another 8-year-old, and he looks to you plaintively, asking, "why didn't you stop them?", you can rest easily that night, knowing that you told him, "Well, because, I'm...tolerant."

Posted by: hofbrauhausde | August 15, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with them building a Mosque in NYC but I do have a problem with them building a mosque at ground zero. This cleric believes in Hamas and this makes it a slap in the face to America.

Posted by: farmsnorton | August 15, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Republicans-We demand that the Constitution be adhered to*, and we've got the American Flag lapel pins to prove it!

*Except for the 1st and 14th amendments and the parts that prevent us from imposing our lifestyle choices on everyone. And the part about free speech and, well, any part with freedom in it, generally.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | August 15, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

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