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Rand Paul: Government should not regulate mine industry

By Matt DeLong

In a new profile in Details magazine, Kentucky GOP Senate candidate Rand Paul is quoted arguing that the coal mining industry should be allowed to self-regulate without interference from the federal government. Here's a quote from a speech Paul gave recently at a coal facility operated by a subsidiary of Massey Energy, the owner of the Upper Big Branch Mine in West Virginia, where an explosion killed 29 miners in April.

"Is there a certain amount of accidents and unfortunate things that do happen, no matter what the regulations are?" Paul says at the Harlan Center, in response to a question about the Big Branch disaster. "The bottom line is I'm not an expert, so don't give me the power in Washington to be making rules. You live here, and you have to work in the mines. You'd try to make good rules to protect your people here. If you don't, I'm thinking that no one will apply for those jobs."

Paul also said that the practice of mountaintop removal mining simply needs to be rebranded.

"I think they should name it something better," he says. "The top ends up flatter, but we're not talking about Mount Everest. We're talking about these little knobby hills that are everywhere out here. And I've seen the reclaimed lands. One of them is 800 acres, with a sports complex on it, elk roaming, covered in grass." Most people, he continues, "would say the land is of enhanced value, because now you can build on it."

(Via The Hill)

This post has been corrected to note that the Harlan Center is operated by a subsidiary of Massey Energy.

By Matt DeLong  |  August 2, 2010; 2:13 PM ET
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Here's a pic of my favorite yard sign in this race for the Kentucky U.S. Senate...
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/866/cppolitics350.png

Posted by: wky63 | August 8, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

This is absolutely untrue and you should correct it. Rand Paul never said they should self regulate, he just thinks any new regulations should be at the local level where those who actually would have to live under them can better impact them. Why do you want all power centralized in DC where only special interest money talks?

Posted by: sailingaway1 | August 4, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

This guy is definitely from another planet

Posted by: afrank1 | August 3, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

jckdoors...you sir are the idiot. Do you understand there is something known as the "common law." And under common law, if you damage another's property you are liable not for just the damage you cause but also for punitive damages.

All these "rules & regulations" serve just two purposes: 1) it allows lawyers to elongate the process (read: more billing time!) and 2) it gives government the ability to create "laws" while bypassing the legislature (which of course, lets Congress "off the hook" for bad laws.

Dumb asses like jckdoors are the primary reason the nation is in the shape it's in!

Posted by: vince33x | August 3, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

F F F F F F F this guy is crazy as hell.

Posted by: theobserver4 | August 3, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Here is another example of the liberal leftist Washington Post coming out against Rand Paul because they are afraid he might win in November. He will and is leading in the poles because he is for lower taxes, less spending, and smaller government in Washington. Go Rand, go.

Posted by: joanz3 | August 3, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Good for you, Dr. Paul! It takes courage to stand on ground owned by the company that killed 29 miners at the Upper Big Branch and proudly call for mining companies to start regulating themselves. Bravo!

Next stop for Dr. Paul: A visit to Ground Zero to call for the elimination of those pesky metal detectors in airports. According to Dr. Paul, passengers should be trusted to regulate themselves and don't need onerous government regulations on what free citizens can carry on airplanes. Don't let one minor incident with a couple of guts with boxcutters restrict our frredom!

Posted by: whatmeregister | August 3, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Regulate the mining industry? We're regulating the mining industry? Since when?

Posted by: johnharris1 | August 3, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Rand thinks the coal companies "should be allowed to self-regulate without interference from the federal government."

Where does this guy live? In a cave??? De-Regulation worked so well with the Securities Industry, the oil/gas industry, The Food Industry???

Radical extremist ideologues. Has he seen the damage the coal companies have done to the environment? Whackjob simpletons. Yup! That simple.

Posted by: thebobbob | August 3, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

All I can say is I certainly wouldn't go to this clown for eye care. He'd probably want to abolish the already slim regulation of physicians and hospitals. I'm certain he would try to abolish malpractice insurance.

Posted by: GrannyAnnie | August 3, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I would agree with Rand Paul if all corporate CEO's were GOD LOVING PEOPLE,but 99% seem to be money lovers!!! who will put profit ahead of safty.

Too many Democrats--Republicans --and Independants-- are not seven day a week CHRISTIANS--THEY ONLY THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN GET OUT OF THE AMERICAN PIE

Shareing is not Socialistic
Greed is worse than socialisiam
Blind attitude is unamerican

Posted by: theoldmansays | August 3, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I would agree with Rand Paul if all corporate CEO's were GOD LOVING PEOPLE,but 99% seem to be money lovers!!! who will put profit ahead of safty.

Too many Democrats--Republicans --and Independants-- are not seven day a week CHRISTIANS--THEY ONLY THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN GET OUT OF THE AMERICAN PIE

Shareing is not Socialistic
Greed is worse than socialisiam
Blind attitude is unamerican

Posted by: theoldmansays | August 3, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I would agree with Rand Paul if all corporate CEO's were GOD LOVING PEOPLE,but 99% seem to be money lovers!!! who will put profit ahead of safty.

Too many Democrats--Republicans --and Independants-- are not seven day a week CHRISTIANS--THEY ONLY THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN GET OUT OF THE AMERICAN PIE

Shareing is not Socialistic
Greed is worse than socialisiam
Blind attitude is unamerican

Posted by: theoldmansays | August 3, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I would agree with Rand Paul if all corporate CEO's were GOD LOVING PEOPLE,but 99% seem to be money lovers!!! who will put profit ahead of safty.

Too many Democrats--Republicans --and Independants-- are not seven day a week CHRISTIANS--THEY ONLY THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN GET OUT OF THE AMERICAN PIE

Shareing is not Socialistic
Greed is worse than socialisiam
Blind attitude is unamerican

Posted by: theoldmansays | August 3, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

The funny thing about this statement is that it raises the ire of outsiders but that it may not hurt Rand Paul in Kentucky.

Now this fall, his opponent, Jack Conway, will probably run ads of various quotes from Paul with the tagline "Rand Paul, what's next." That is what his Republican primary opponent did. I am not sure if it will work.

You would not want to have a Senate full of Rand Pauls but one might not be bad. At least, he thinks outside the box.

If Conway wins, he will just be another mealy mouthed Ben Nelson (D-NE) type Democrat that will always be trying to seek political cover on controversial votes on liberal legislation.

Posted by: danielhancock | August 3, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Interesting study of Nature vs. Nurture is this the result of being Ron Paul’s son or being dropped on his head once to often as a child? In either case if this is the “Best” the GOP has to offer perhaps they need to change their “Purity” test to one that restricts them to at least the upper levels of the double digits for IQ.

Posted by: notthatdum | August 2, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Uh, Rand never said what the headline implies.

He said that the more local the rules are made, the better.

So for instance, he would be in favor of regulations at a state level instead of at a federal level.

People are twisting his words!

Posted by: yoda15 | August 2, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Paul can be taken more seriously when he relies on industry self-regulation for the medications he takes and the vehicles he travels in.

In other words, when he's as willing to place himself at the tender mercies of the same self-regulating industries he wants to consign everyone else to.

It's amusing how many of these blithering anti-government whiners like Rand Paul want to be part of the same government they caterwaul can't ever get anything right, then, if elected, prove just how incompetent they really are.

Posted by: kingcranky | August 2, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

If Rand had said something against mining subsidies, the headline would have been "Rand Paul to Mining Industry: 'Drop Dead!'"

I am NOT a Rand Paul supporter (I do like his dad though!), but I can spot hit piece journalism when I see it.

Posted by: tomwalls | August 2, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Even if you rebrand doodoo as peanut butter, it's still doodoo.

Posted by: chuck8 | August 2, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Now, see . . . .

Rand Paul is what you get when ideological purity trumps common sense. His position comes perilously close to asserting that any regulation is over-regulation. That's the logical equivalent of saying that since overdosing on medicine is bad thing, then taking any medicine is bad.

Oh, ye foolish over-simplifiers and ideological purists! There is no doubt that some regulations are stifling and counterproductive. But ones that help prevent people from being defrauded, workers from being harmed and even killed, and the environment from being despoiled serve important purposes and yield societal benefits. The problem, of course, is finding the sweet spot (admittedly, a moving target) between stultifying over-regulation and utter laissez-faire robber-baron capitalism. Unfortunately for Mr. Paul, his libertarian ideology is so compelling that he is forced into absurdist positions like claiming that mountaintop removal mining simply needs to be "rebranded."

Oy. Ideological purists! They must have a thing for intellectual tidiness (simple ideas are easier to handle) and emotional satisfaction (being certain is so, well, reassuring . . .). They are so narrow-minded they can see through a keyhole with both eyes.

And, yes, ideological purists on the left are just as annoying . . . .

Signed,

Your local cranky centrist.

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | August 2, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

In theory all industry should be self-regulating, but it's not, and all intelligent people know this. This was a stupid stupid comment. I consider myself very close to being a libertarian on most matters but I also recognize that the reason why most regulations exist is because the industries did not regulate themselves.

Posted by: nyrunner101 | August 2, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Bush and Cheney literally and intentionally destroyed the federal government, and according to Ludovico1 and the Republican-Tea Party, it's all the Democrats' fault and the federal government should be abolished.

But returning power to the states is a ruse...to turn all power over to corporations. Wouldn't it be great is people like Mark "Don't Cry for me, Argentina" and Rick "the Confederate traitor" Perry had more power?

And since regional issues can only be solved on a regional basis, the Republican-Tea Party plan is a plan for total anarchy.

Backward-looking 18th century minds to solve complex 21st century problems. Our enemies as well as our competitors LOVE the Republican-Tea Party.

"Look at the great job federal regulators did in regulating Off Shore drilling. Look at the even better job federal regulators did in regulating wall street.
And Look at the brilliant job federal regulators have done in regulating illegal immigration along the border. Bottom line is the federal regulators are idiots. Wouldn't it be better to have local Experts regulate local industries than to have federal idiots regulate nothing from D.C.? The W.P. hates Paul because he seeks to take the power to regulate out of Washington and give it back to the states."

Posted by: Ludovico1 | August 2, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse"

Posted by: jjedif | August 2, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable as it is, this is the latest poll reported today. Who knew there were so many Libertarians.

"Among likely voters, Paul leads Conway by eight points—51% to 43%, with 5% undecided. Among likely Louisville voters, Paul leads Conway 50% to 45%, with 5% undecided. Conducted by Survey USA, the poll surveyed 568 likely voters among 900 adults interviewed July 27 through July 29. The survey has a 4.2% margin of error."

http://www.examiner.com/x-3747-Louisville-City-Hall-Examiner~y2010m8d2-Rand-Paul-still-leads-Jack-Conway-in-Kentucky-senate-race

Posted by: FauxReal | August 2, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Calling Frank Luntz.

I'm sure he can come up with some Newspeak word.

Posted by: FauxReal | August 2, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

The goal of Rand Paul and the Republican-Tea Party is clear:

1) Remove ALL restrictions on profit-taking and let the Bernard Madoffs, Ken Lays, BPs, etc. steal everything that isn't tied down.

2) Then Rand Paul and the Republican-Tea Party will blame the federal government for not stopping the looting of the country and, therefore, should be abolished and turned over to the corporations, which are unelected and unacocunted.

All rich people win, all of the rest of us lose.

Posted by: jjedif | August 2, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Look at the great job federal regulators did in regulating Off Shore drilling. Look at the even better job federal regulators did in regulating wall street.
And Look at the brilliant job federal regulators have done in regulating illegal immigration along the border. Bottom line is the federal regulators are idiots. Wouldn't it be better to have local Experts regulate local industries than to have federal idiots regulate nothing from D.C.? The W.P. hates Paul because he seeks to take the power to regulate out of Washington and give it back to the states.

Posted by: Ludovico1 | August 2, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

If Rand Paul had said he didn't favor Federal subsidies to mining the headline would read: "Rand Paul to mining industry: 'Drop dead'"

I'm not even a Rand Paul supporter and I can spot the advocacy journalism here.

Posted by: tomwalls | August 2, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

To mlutter again: Let's get down to brass tacks: What is your view of gov't regulation of mine safety? Does your analysis of the real world really lead you to conclude that the right answer is zero regulation? Yes, it is true that, if the gov't requires certain safety practices, then the gov't is using or threatening the use of force. Does that really imply to you that any regulation must be bad? Really?

Posted by: Dan4 | August 2, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Randy stated: "And I've seen the reclaimed lands. One of them is 800 acres, with a sports complex on it, elk roaming, covered in grass."
Has any "journalist" asked Randy where he saw this reclaimed land? Seems like they would if they were planning to report it.
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Randy says he is a board certified ophthalmologist. Certified, that is, by the National Board of Ophthalmology, NBO, that was formed by Randy in 2005, and not the American Board of Ophthalmology, ABO, that certifies over 95% of the nation's ophthalmologists.
Oh, and by the way, Randy is listed as the group's president; his wife, Kelley, is listed as vice president; and his father-in-law is listed as secretary.
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While arguing against the Fair Housing Act Randy wrote that "a free society will abide unofficial, private discrimination, even when that means allowing hate-filled groups to exclude people based on the color of their skin."
So Randy would allow groups like the KKK, the American Nazi Party, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban and other hate groups to practice what they preach.
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What Randy Paul preaches is sugar-coated libertarianism which leads, inexorably, to forms and levels of anarchy.
The danger of anarchy in a society dominated by market based economics and a population divided into economic classes is the growth of Social-Darwinism - which distorts Darwin's Theory of Survival of the Fittest to mean the survival of the Aryan Superman.

The end-game of what Randy's ideology leads to would be the same as what Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler and Goering planned for the world at their coming-out-party in 1934.

Posted by: apspa1 | August 2, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

To mlutter: I'm perfectly happy to agree with you that my PhD in Economics from a thoroughly neoclassical department (the same one as Bernanke, actually) is almost completely useless in the real world. The real world is just too imperfect and messy for the pure theories promulgated by my profs to work well enough for anyone to rely on. Are you willing to realize that the same is true of your Austrian Economics theories? If so, we can both agree to try as best we can to see the real world as it actually is, and try to solve the actual problems that are out there the best we can. Call it the economics of common sense. If you're not willing to admit that your theories don't provide all the answers, God help us all if you or your ilk ever get into any position of power.

Posted by: Dan4 | August 2, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

You can bet that Rand has never, never worked in a mine deep underground with rocks falling, water leaking in and gas building in pockets. Nor will he ever do that. Thank heaven our Founding Fathers ensure we have freedom of speech. The more Rand and his ilk talks the more we know how little their tiny minds function.

Posted by: newsmkr | August 2, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Fox News is really going to have to scramble to give him cover on this one.

Posted by: faygokid | August 2, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Rand is an idiot and anybody who follows this madman deserves whatever they get.


We need a third party and the tea party and Rand Paul who are financed by big oil and the rest of the corporations who wish to beat down the middle class and the working poor are definitely not it.

Wake up tea party you are being financed by the people you are supposedly unhappy with.That either makes you hypocrites or just plain stupid.

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown | August 2, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Rand Paul wants to "re-brand" mountaintop removal? What an idiot. How about re-branding the Trail of Tears as a Nature Walk?

How about re-branding pandering to murderers and environmental plunderers as... Massey Energy?

Let's hope the miners get their unions in shape. That's the ONLY way they'll get the safety standards in the mines up to non-lethal levels. It's also the only way they can protect their families and neighbors from being poisoned and driven out of their homes by negligent mining practices and rapacious, greedy Massey.

Posted by: Zino | August 2, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Rand Paul is a turd and a pimp for the plutocracy that REALLY RULES the USA !

Just the truth

Posted by: hyroller56 | August 2, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Government is force. Before criticizing Rand you need to understand the position he is coming from. How can force produce jobs, or encourage general welfare. If property rights are strictly enforced, any damage done by the mines must be paid out, by definition.

The housing bubble proves the need for government regulation? Please, it proves the need for a free market, the interest rate has been collectivized since the creation of the Fed. Ron Paul understands the implication of monetary policy and was able to predict the housing bubble in 2002.
http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-09-26/ron-paul-on-the-housing-bubble-july-2002/
Why do you think you understand economics better than him?

Posted by: mlutter | August 2, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse
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Wow. There you have it, folks. There really are people like mlutter out there who think that the free market never has any trouble disciplining mine owners and Wall Street hedge fund managers to do the right thing. Truly scary. I may or may not understand economics better than you and Ron Paul (I have a PhD in it, so there's a chance), but that's not the right question. The much more important question is, Do you and Rep. Paul even KNOW that there's a real world out there? Do you know or even care that your precious theories might not work perfectly in this real world?

Posted by: Dan4 | August 2, 2010 4:3

Before attacking straw men, you might try to understand Austrian economics. Your PHD teaches you the precious theories that are wrong. Again, instead of evading the question, why weren't you able to predict the housing bubble? It was fairly clear, and nearly all adherents to the Austrian school of economics predicted it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I0QN-FYkpw

Bernanke also has a PHD in economics, it hasn't stopped him from having no understanding of macro-economic policy. If you doubt me, then why have all his predictions been completely wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ79Pt2GNJo

Sorry to tell you, but your PHD taught you nothing about economics. Neo-classical economics uses the wrong methodology and therefore arrives at the wrong conclusions. Markets clear, and any interaction taken place exists because it is the best option available ex ante. Your petty justifications for the initiation of force reveal your tyrannical nature, while our leaders following your advice will print our way to oblivion.

Posted by: mlutter | August 2, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Buddydog is right. Why get so worked up about this stuff. Kentucky can be the first step in the U.S. truly becoming a Third World nation with a First World military...and nothing else.

Posted by: bkllal6020 | August 2, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Rand's right. I think states should be able to "opt out" of federal regulation if they want to. If people want to go back to the days of no workers protections, child labor, unsafe air and water, why should we stop them? If people in Nashville want to drink mercury and cyanide, who are we to say they shouldn't?

As for his "people will stop applying" comment, I have one word for you: immigrants. There's always someone out there desperate enough to work in a hazardous job.

Why not level the playing field? Why should Americans enjoy clean air and water while others in the world suffer without it? Why should we enjoy unemployment insurance when the unemployed in Bangladesh have to live on the street? What makes us so special? Why even have immigration quotas? Let any and all in and let the market figure it out!

And then, in Rand's Libertarian Utopia, we'll have the same living and working standards as Nigeria. Like I said, if that's what Kentucky wants, who are we to stop them?

Posted by: Buddydog | August 2, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Massey Energy is pro Black Lung, and Rand Paul is no bigot. It's delusional, but it might work.

Posted by: gannon_dick | August 2, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

What a freak! Why stop at mining? Why not let the food and drug industry regulate itself? Why not let the airline industry set its own safety standards. Let's do away with speed limits and drinking ages! The reason, you moron, that the federal government is involved in certain industries is SAFETY!

What say the federal government get out of defense, as well? Let's let the Hillbillies and other huckelberries protect 'Merka with their pea shooters!

Let's close down NHTSA, and let chaos reign on the highways!

Let's sell our nuclear weapons stockpile to the highest bidder.

If Paul is against government, then why is he trying to SERVE IN GOVERNMENT? I sure hope he doesn't take a hypocritcal salary or pension, if, GOD FORBID, he wins in November!

Freaks and liars and criminals and perverts and ignoramouses and hypocrits...a curse on both of your Houses.

Posted by: bkllal6020 | August 2, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

And people support and actually plan on voting for this guy??
He definitely is not qualified, is not rational and is another republican in the pockets of big business.

Posted by: kathlenec | August 2, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Rand Paul must have a superior intellect to have gotten through medical school, but his ideology gets in the way of the thinking skills he must have. He does not seem to understand the overwhelming power huge corporations who care for nothing more than short-term profits have over individual citizens. He's against unions too, so even the power of numbers is anathema to Paul.

In his view, the mining industry can destroy mountain tops(as a Texan he probably doesn't love the hills of Kentucky all that much), pollute the watereveryone drinks, and have zero safety precautions or hourly work limits for the worker, if the land and water are destroyed in the name of greed, if people die because safe mines are too expensive, that's just the cost of doing business and we should never impede profits?

And then he wants the federal government to buy out the towns (like Picher, Oklahoma) when they are too poisoned to live in from the mining industry's policing of itself? Or are the people who live in thos etowns just SOL when the mines are emptied?

He lives in a Utopian fantasy world where businessmen will do the right thing because it's good business. If that were true, BP never would have had the Horizon spill, because they would not have cut corners the way they did and would have prevented an easily preventable spill that has cost them billions.

Greed and ethics are incompatible, and the desire for immediate profits is incompatible with worrying about the longterm consequences of decisions based on quarterly gain.

Posted by: wd1214 | August 2, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Rand Paul must have a superior intellect to have gotten through medical school, but his ideology gets in the way of the thinking skills he must have. He does not seem to understand the overwhelming power huge corporations who care for nothing more than short-term profits have over individual citizens. He's against unions too, so even the power of numbers is anathema to Paul.

In his view, the mining industry can destroy mountain tops(as a Texan he probably doesn't love the hills of Kentucky all that much), pollute the watereveryone drinks, and have zero safety precautions or hourly work limits for the worker, if the land and water are destroyed in the name of greed, if people die because safe mines are too expensive, that's just the cost of doing business and we should never impede profits?

And then he wants the federal government to buy out the towns (like Picher, Oklahoma) when they are too poisoned to live in from the mining industry's policing of itself? Or are the people who live in thos etowns just SOL when the mines are emptied?

He lives in a Utopian fantasy world where businessmen will do the right thing because it's good business. If that were true, BP never would have had the Horizon spill, because they would not have cut corners the way they did and would have prevented an easily preventable spill that has cost them billions.

Greed and ethics are incompatible, and the desire for immediate profits is incompatible with worrying about the longterm consequences of decisions based on quarterly gain.

Posted by: wd1214 | August 2, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Rand Paul is quite likely to be a member of the US Senate in January. He will have broad powers of obstruction. I assume he will work to abolish Federal regulation of farming, bourbon production, horse racing, tobacco, and other traditional Kentucky industries.

Posted by: DaveoftheCoonties | August 2, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

It is time to debunk the idea that the free market always works. Those who advocate a purely free market need to learn about market failure, too. In order for the free market to work the following must be present:

1) all participants must have full and perfect information
2) all participants must have equal power
3) all costs (meaning $ and non-$) are factored into the price

NONE of these are present in the coal market, nor can they ever be present, and therefore it cannot function as a free market and any attempt will result in "market failure" every time. Thus government regulation is necessary.

But, that's too many words for Rand Paul.

Sigh.

Posted by: truly1 | August 2, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Le me get this straight.
Kentucky is a big mining state
Miners have an extremely dangerous job
Miners need protection that they are not getting now
Rand Paul doesn't want them to have that protection
Rand Paul, according to the Washington Post, has surged ahead in the polls
What is the matter with Kentucky?

Posted by: Sandydayl | August 2, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Let's rebrand Rand Paul. He's Palin in man's drag.

Posted by: Smibert | August 2, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Keep talking Rand.

Posted by: chopin224 | August 2, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

What a clown! What doctrinaire and sophistic reasoning! Has this idiot, Rand Paul, ever learned anything from past history?

My God, I can't stand most politicians and would love to get rid of most of them, but let's not replace them with even bigger idiots than we already have. Sheesh!

Posted by: wireknob | August 2, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I wonder why the federal government should be in the land use planning business in Kentucky. If the folks in that state want to mine the land and then reclaim it, that's their business. I can't imagine how that becomes the business of people from outside that state. I see where NOAA, which has been constrained by 200 years of Constitutional law and the Coastal Zone Management Act wants to get into the land use planning business and. establish regional planning centers where the federal government will control local land use planning decisions. That strikes me as silly. The federal government needs to stick with those things it really needs to do and to get out of areas which are essentially local in nature. Why would a government that is incompetent to keep illegal aliens out of the country and control its border think it can manage the development of a subdivision in South Carolina better than we can. Its like the situation in the Gulf--the federal government agencies from Interior, the White House to the Energy Department to the Coast Guard were clueless, incompetent and in the way. We need to start cutting back these worthless bureaucrats and cutting this federal payroll.

Posted by: hrumphgrumble | August 2, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

The notion that career miners somehow can just "apply elsewhere" if a mine is unsafe shows Paul's lack of basic, demonstrated knowledge of history, as well as a naivety of epic proportions. Unfortunately, though he frequently makes such idiotic statements, I have little faith they'll ultimately derail his campaign.

Posted by: exerda | August 2, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

unbelievable ... even by his low standards of logical and coherent thought, this is just remarkable ...


what an ignorant, moronic asshat ...

Posted by: fendertweed | August 2, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Why stop at mining? Why bother with any kind of industrial safety regulations? Why bother with pollution control regulations that keep the water and air supply relatively fit for human consumption? Let's go back to the days when an industrial worker woke up in the morning not sure they would return home in one piece. There are plenty of dangerous jobs that still exist, why make all industrial jobs dangerous? There was plenty of safety technology that existed before government regulations were imposed that mandated its use; most industrial complexes ignored the technology to save money and improve their bottom line.

Posted by: CMAN27 | August 2, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

We need to recognize worker freedom. Miners should have the freedom to work in unsafe mines, without interference from the granny state, if they choose to do so. We also need to recognize that unions deny freedom. Miners should have the freedom to negotiate on their own with mine companies without interference from unions or other miners.

While we are at it, we should remove all speed limits and take down stop signs and other traffic signs and signals from our roads and highways so that drivers have the freedom to drive as they wish and at any speed. Any driver who thinks the roads are unsafe can stay at home. Unclogging the roads in this manner will give the remaining drivers even greater freedom to drive at whatever speed and in whatever manner they wish.

Posted by: esch | August 2, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Even if you rebrand doodoo as peanut butter, it's still doodoo.

Posted by: chuck8 | August 2, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

After the Upper Big Branch mine tragedy, this man is certifiably insane to make such a statement.

Posted by: whirlwind81 | August 2, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Government is force. Before criticizing Rand you need to understand the position he is coming from. How can force produce jobs, or encourage general welfare. If property rights are strictly enforced, any damage done by the mines must be paid out, by definition.

The housing bubble proves the need for government regulation? Please, it proves the need for a free market, the interest rate has been collectivized since the creation of the Fed. Ron Paul understands the implication of monetary policy and was able to predict the housing bubble in 2002.
http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-09-26/ron-paul-on-the-housing-bubble-july-2002/
Why do you think you understand economics better than him?

Posted by: mlutter | August 2, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse
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Wow. There you have it, folks. There really are people like mlutter out there who think that the free market never has any trouble disciplining mine owners and Wall Street hedge fund managers to do the right thing. Truly scary. I may or may not understand economics better than you and Ron Paul (I have a PhD in it, so there's a chance), but that's not the right question. The much more important question is, Do you and Rep. Paul even KNOW that there's a real world out there? Do you know or even care that your precious theories might not work perfectly in this real world?

Posted by: Dan4 | August 2, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I agree Rand is a stupid a'ss but, but believe it or not, the latest polls show him 6 ahead of his Democratic challenger.

Never underestimate the gullibility and stupidity of the American electorate.

It looks like Rand will win at this point. I think they're smoking something besides bluegrass in Kentucky! As an aside, I wonder if Mitch McConnell can keep Rand on a short leash should Rand win next Nov.

Rand should provide us political junkees some entertainment if he wins!

Posted by: montana123 | August 2, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Self-regulating? Is that like "Dr." Paul self-board-certifying himself?

Clown.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | August 2, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Is there such a thing as too much regulation? Of course. Is there such a thing as too little? Ask one of the families of the people who died in the mine explosion.

Posted by: ravensfan20008 | August 2, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'll trade a mountain for a new Wal-Mart any day. Its not like box stores grow on trees and we have mountains galore. While we're at it, why don't we fill in the wetlands too? Oh wait, they're already doing that...

As the The Tea Party slogan goes--18th century ideas for a 21st century America.

Posted by: youba | August 2, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

complete and utter moron. Only one of the stupidest people to ever breathe would utter such poppy cock. What this extreme radical zealot who represents the mindset of waaaaaay less than 5% of the population isn't worth responding to. It's sheer lunacy. So, WITH REGULATION 29 died there, and WITH REGULATION BP created the biggest oil spill in US history. And this moronatard thinks without regulation, they'll police themselves and everything will be just hunky dory. I couldn't have a conversation with this person without calling him names. I can't decide whose crazier and dumber - him or the repiglet in a skirt. Hey radical un-American freak, is it okay if we let citizens police themselves too? I really would have liked to have thrashed the guy who cut me off in traffic this morning, and then had the audcacity to rant like it was my fault. His lane ran out, mine didn't, and I was doing over 50. Would be fine by me if we could get out in traffic and settle it ourselves without interference from the govt. And I can rebrand it too. Instead of calling it assault and battery, we can call it attitude adjustment, tune-up, teaching an idiot a lesson, whatever.
Rand Paul is a radical lunatic, if you vote for him you're dumber and crazier than he is.

Posted by: red2million | August 2, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

He's the poor man's version of the Law and Economics guys you see in law schools: he can restate a theme and apply it without nuance to a variety of superficially similar circumstances. But he lacks the aptitude and interest to really understand the theories he's espousing. For many voters, thst's enough.

Posted by: ckimballrun | August 2, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Does he not know the history of coal mining in America? Why does he think the United Mine Workers came into existence? Accidents happen? Well, then just stay home and hide under the bed. Why doesn't he try giving the same pro-management babble in a coal miners union hall. See how that goes over.

Posted by: interactingdc | August 2, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

He's the poor man's version of the Law and Economics guys you see in law schools: he can restate a theme and apply it without nuance to a variety of superficially similar circumstances. But he lacks the aptitude and interest to really understand the theories he's espousing. For many voters, that's enough.

Posted by: ckimballrun | August 2, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Back in the day there were upwards of 40 fatalities per year per 10000 miners. Most years before the 1930s the numbers of miners killed on the job topped more than 2000/year. That's what self-regulation leads to - does Paul REALLY want to go back to those days?

Posted by: hohandy | August 2, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"The bottom line is I'm not an expert, so don't give me the power in Washington to be making rules."

Okay.

Posted by: seraphina2 | August 2, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

There is one word to describe Rand Paul and Sarah Palin---IDIOT

Posted by: LDTRPT25 | August 2, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Has Dr Rand Paul ever stated by he wants to be amongst the incompetent and dishonest in the Senate? I'm looking for a real reason, not "here to serve BS." What's odd with his decision to "run" is the fact that this guy actually has a JOB. He's employable. He's unlike the majority of those in Congress who're law school graduates who've never held job outside of government and are unemployable except in government. Another factor he should consider is that he'll have to live in or around DC and forced to endure having the parasites who make up the government workforce or the politically chosen correct as his neighbors. Sadly, even after a term or two, even the decent wind up selling their soul to their political party.

Posted by: individual | August 2, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Government is force. Before criticizing Rand you need to understand the position he is coming from. How can force produce jobs, or encourage general welfare. If property rights are strictly enforced, any damage done by the mines must be paid out, by definition.

The housing bubble proves the need for government regulation? Please, it proves the need for a free market, the interest rate has been collectivized since the creation of the Fed. Ron Paul understands the implication of monetary policy and was able to predict the housing bubble in 2002.
http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-09-26/ron-paul-on-the-housing-bubble-july-2002/
Why do you think you understand economics better than him?

Posted by: mlutter | August 2, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Rand is the Tea Party's gift to the Democrats. Thanks, Kentucky.

Posted by: pjohn2 | August 2, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

he thinks the free market will magically give us safer mine operators because in the long run they will have lower operating costs and the market will reward them. pure libertarian nonsense that won't work in practice (it might take until the universe stops expanding for this result to occur0 and doesn't even work in theory (no one will invest the money to make the mine safe before his or her competitors do, so they are all safe making money on unsafe mines secure in the knowledge that the payoff from investing in safety is so far off no one will do it, and more importantly, even if a competitor did start investing in safety, there would be no problem waiting until then to do the same. so no one does. ever.)

Posted by: JoeT1 | August 2, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

he thinks the free market will magically give us safer mine operators because in the long run they will have lower operating costs and the market will reward them. pure libertarian nonsense that won't work in practice (it might take until the universe stops expanding for this result to occur0 and doesn't even work in theory (no one will invest the money to make the mine safe before his or her competitors do, so they are all safe making money on unsafe mines secure in the knowledge that the payoff from investing in safety is so far off no one will do it, and more importantly, even if a competitor did start investing in safety, there would be no problem waiting until then to do the same. so no one does. ever.)

Posted by: JoeT1 | August 2, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Paul needs to ask himself what happens to all the debrie taken off the mountains and the unregulated dumping in the rivers and valleys. Perhaps a lung transplant with a miner who worked the pits before any regulation was in place would be appropriate.

Posted by: roscym1 | August 2, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

It's ignorance, folks. These goobers only talk to each other usually, so by the time they come out of their echo chambers of assent, they don't understand how screwed up they are. They start with the little gems that won them acclaim from fellow kooks, but just look kooky to the rest of us.

Posted by: gkam | August 2, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

How many feet can this idiot insert into his own mouth, and how far up his butt can he insert his own head?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | August 2, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

If he keeps talking he'll lose.

Maybe he could conduct his campaign with signal flags?

Posted by: moderate2010 | August 2, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

God hep us. This is the intellectual level of the Kentucky GOP Senate candidate and a prominent Tea Party activist. Corporate America will love him and others like him (Sarah Palin, for example).

Posted by: kms123 | August 2, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

His "macaca" moment...

His idiocy is astounding.

Posted by: Nosh1 | August 2, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Rand Paul said the Mining Industry "should be allowed to self-regulate without interference from the federal government"


as we learned from Wall Street and BP:
Humans do NOT SELF-REGULATE.

Posted by: vigor | August 2, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"You'd try to make good rules to protect your people here. If you don't, I'm thinking that no one will apply for those jobs."

What an amazing command of economics. If the supply of workers is greater than the demand for workers, people will take basically any job they are even remotely qualified for. The unemployment rate in KY is 10%. If the only job available to a person is one in mining, he's gonna take the mining job.

Posted by: dkp01 | August 2, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Heavy Metals, what Heavy Metals???? Mercury isn't that simply another planet?

My grandmother would always say the last time I trusted someone I was 16......

Posted by: waxtraxs | August 2, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Wow, what a moron.

Posted by: Aaron20011 | August 2, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Wow, what a moron.

Posted by: Aaron20011 | August 2, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I think he may have just blown an election that was his to lose.

Posted by: booksdwj | August 2, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Rand is an idiot. Does he have any idea what this type of mining damages? It ruins water supplies, it destroys habitat, it kills jobs because fewer miners are needed. Perhaps he should talk to the people who live near these mines to find out what they think. He's a big business prostitute.

Posted by: jckdoors | August 2, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

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