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Ron Paul: Rand's his own man on the 'mosque' issue

By Emi Kolawole

There appears to be a rift in the House of Paul. Republican Rep. Ron Paul has split with his son Rand over the mosque near Ground Zero, formally known as the Cordoba House.

The senior Paul, in a statement released Friday, ripped into opponents of the religious and cultural center. In the statement Paul compares lawmakers to the infamous Emperor Nero, "It looks to me like the politicians are 'fiddling while the economy burns,'" and goes on to blame the neo-conservative movement for fueling the controversy, "They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars." Paul concludes:


"This is all about hate and Islamaphobia. We now have an epidemic of "sunshine patriots" on both the right and the left who are all for freedom, as long as there's no controversy and nobody is offended. Political demagoguery rules when truth and liberty are ignored."

But among those criticized in the senior Paul's statement is his son, Kentucky Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul, who told TPMDC he does not support the construction of the mosque:

"While this is a local matter that should be decided by the people of New York, Dr. Paul does not support a mosque being built two blocks from Ground Zero," Paul spokesperson Gary Howard told TPMDC. "In Dr. Paul's opinion, the Muslim community would better serve the healing process by making a donation to the memorial fund for the victims of September 11th."


Talking Points Memo reports
that when Rep. Paul was asked about the apparent disagreement with his son, a spokesman said via e-mail, "Rand Paul is his own man."

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The only people threatening the American and Western way of life are the bigots who oppose the Islamic Center. Mostly, they are fanatical right-wing Christians and Jews, who believe they have 'dominion' over all of us in this "Judeo-Christian" society!!!

Balderdash. The Western World is built on the concept of freedom of religion that came about due to Aristotle, Plato, Locke, Voltaire and not some silly hypocritical Bible or Torah with their "Chosen People" fascism. The Christians and Conservative Jews are trying to limit these freedoms for Muslims.

As for Shariah law being unAmerican, how are Jewish or Christian laws 'American'? How American is it to put a child to death for disobeying their parents or worshipping other Gods- as the 10 Commandments require!!! Evangelical Christians and Jews complaining about a Muslim takeover? Isn't it the Evangelicals who want to force Jesus down our throats and aren't Jews over-represented in every major area (Hollywood, Wall St, Porn industry, Washington) yet they are complaining about a 'Muslim' takeover???Give me a break.

Ron Paul is one of the few men of reason left on the Republican side- now a party of racist conspiracy obsessed religious fanatics. His son is a cowardly hooker who will probably take trips to Israel and call for war with Iran- like all the other AIPAC-controlled clowns in Washington.

Thank God I live in Canada. We have a lot more minorities and few right-wing Jews and Christians. Keeps us sane- like Norway!!!

Posted by: akhtarman | August 26, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Paul "does not support the construction of the mosque:"

He believes this is "a local matter that should be decided by the people of New York,..."

The people of New York already approved the construction of this community center.

In Dr. Paul's opinion, there is a better way for the Muslim community to "serve the healing process". That's not the same as saying the Muslim community shouldn't be allowed to build this community center.

This is, ultimately, a issue about private property rights. Do these Americans (and yes, these Muslims are Americans) have the right to develop their own property.


Posted by: MDLaxer | August 26, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

The senior Paul’s position reminds me of why he will never have my support for chief executive. The Constitution is not a suicide pact, Ron. Congratulations to Rand on getting this one right.

http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
“Because the Only Good Progressive is a Failed Progressive”

Posted by: libertyatstake | August 24, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

The senior Paul’s position reminds me of why he will never have my support for chief executive. The Constitution is not a suicide pact, Ron. Congratulations to Rand on getting this one right.

http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
“Because the Only Good Progressive is a Failed Progressive”

Posted by: libertyatstake | August 24, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

The senior Paul’s position reminds me of why he will never have my support for chief executive. The Constitution is not a suicide pact, Ron. Congratulations to Rand on getting this one right.

http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
“Because the Only Good Progressive is a Failed Progressive”

Posted by: libertyatstake | August 24, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

What's with the sons of Texan politicians? baby-Bush didn't listen to his dad's advice on invading Iraq and look what happened? baby-Paul isn't listening to his dad about throwing the Constitution out the window. In both cases, the boys embraced the most extreme elements of their Party. Isn't "Family" values a wonderful thing?

Posted by: thebobbob | August 24, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Rand Paul is talking out both sides of his neck. It was just last month that he was touting goverment needs to stay out of the business of private property ownership and that the Civil Rights Act was government intrusion on the rights of the property/business owners. Now! He says government should interfere with property ownership. Look, this is the kind of crap that moderate voter hates! If you are a strict Constitutionalist then be it even when it doesn't benefit you politically!!!

Rand Paul you are two-faced and can't be trust. I hope you lose!!!

Posted by: SteelWheel25 | August 24, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Given the uncertainty of the real estate transaction behind the controversy, all parties (the right, the left and the press) commenting on this issue are blindly entering into a financial real estate play that has little to do with religion or patriotism. The fact this topic is receiving national attention is testimony to the lack of research and understanding of the real estate deal that might never happen if real investigative reporting were being done. Ron Paul is fundamentally right in his position. The rest of the pundits (righ and left) seem equally willing to be duped by their own emotions.

Posted by: Thenviron | August 24, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

No surprise to any Ron Paul supporter. Rand is a pro-war neocon unlike his father. Probably a CFR member.

Posted by: fakedude2 | August 24, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

As I read these post's I notice the majority of them address Islam's right's in the U.S. by exercising their right to free speach provided by the U.S. Constitution. A christian judeo document, and law of the land which laid the foundation for the greatest country in the history of the world,

Radical Islam has proclaimed itself around the world for decades to be a direct enemy of the United States of America. Just in case people don't believe this there is the 9/11 attack on the WTC, and other terrorist attacks across Europe. The victory shrine mosque, at ground zero is simply an ancient Islamic practice. Sharia law, and Islamic princples are not part of the spirit of this country or it's laws that govern it's people.

The really absurd thing is see I see while reading the majority of these posts is that the only dececncy and worthiness in them is the constiutional right of free speach given these people to promote ideologies which would destroy it. Does anyone see the irony of this kind of moronic stupidity?

If you people really support Islamic ideology in this country becuase they have a right to under our laws, I beg of you to rethink your position. You are either for us or against us. Islam has proclaimed itself as against us.

So be it.

Posted by: jamesnic | August 24, 2010 3:23 AM | Report abuse

“Frankly, he has not been around long enough to determine what my dignity is,” Mr. Rangel said of the 49-year-old Mr. Obama. “For the next two years, I will be more likely to protect his dignity.”

Posted by: deeman | August 24, 2010 1:55 AM | Report abuse

Always respected the father, an honest Texan who speaks his beliefs and takes heat for them. His son? Must have been a mix up in the new born nursery.

Posted by: Martial | August 24, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Paul is absolutely right. Does everyone agree?

Posted by: exco | August 23, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Paul is absolutely right. Does everyone agree?

Posted by: exco | August 23, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Paul is just kowtowing to his angry anti-Islam, base. If you are going to BE a libertarian, then BE a consistent one. My hat is off to his dad. Good words.

Posted by: case50 | August 23, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

The ol' man hit the nail on the head; the kid, his thumb.

Posted by: glenglish | August 23, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

It is not just that "Rand's his own man on the 'mosque' issue! It is the difference between the seasoned, experienced, principled and couragous Rep. Ron Paul and his "young" son! The father knows history well and he knows how people like Gingrich and Palin are demagogues whose views are damaging the domestic and foreign policies of the U.S.! For the past 10 years, US officials, Republicans and Democrats, have been talking about how to "win the hearts and minds" of the 1.5 billion muslims of America and around the world! By opposing the "rebuilding" of the mosque--which American Muslims own for over 20 years-- the opponents are sending the "right" message to the terrorists like Bin-Laden who attacked the US on 9/11; and they are sending the wrong message to American Muslims and the vast majority of the Muslim world, who had nothing to do with 9/11! In fact Muslim terrorists are fighting and attacking Muslim nations more than they are fighting or attacking the US or other Western nations! That is why most Muslim nations are fighting on the side of the US and the West! That is why there are more American troops in Muslim nations than in Europe or Asia! that is why the US enjoys close political, economic and military relations with most Muslim countries! That is why there are more American military bases in the Muslim world than in any other region! To win the war against terrorism, America needs the cooperation of the Muslim world! And such cooperation serves the national security of the American people! It seems that "pandering" politicians care about advancing and enhancing their own agenda at the expense of American national security! Ron Paul understand what is best for America. And that is the difference between a statesman and a politician!

Posted by: editor4tonio | August 23, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

The Bible says that a rebellious son should be stoned. Oh wait, maybe he is.

Posted by: raschumacher | August 23, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

For a different view about assembly and religion from that of Ron Paul; view following video

8/20/2010 report; We the People . . .

http://www.hallindsey.com/

Posted by: Montana_Miles | August 23, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

For a different view about assembly and religion from that of Ron Paul; view following video

8/20/2010 report; We the People . . .

http://www.hallindsey.com/

Posted by: Montana_Miles | August 23, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I say go on with the mosque, because this is America. Thomas Jefferson said it clearly. Everyone is free to practice his/her religion.

Posted by: kingsbridge77 | August 23, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

What part of freedom of religion do these hateful people do not get? And when you are discriminating against a sect of people because of their religion you are being a bigot, pure and simple.

Posted by: corintonic | August 23, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm willing to give Rand Paul the benefit of the doubt by presuming that his "opposition" to the mosque is a matter of his personal opinion that such a construction less than ten years after 9/11 is a very offensive act, although constitutionally-protected. Rand knows all too well that he too-casually waded into a hostile media after his primary win and was baited into some hazardous discussions about reverence for the Constitution. He has learned that the media jackals don't care about report accuracy. They only care about fanning the flames of yellow journalism that keep ratings high.

Posted by: thirty3na3rd | August 23, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm willing to give Rand Paul the benefit of the doubt by presuming that his "opposition" to the mosque is a matter of his personal opinion that such a construction less than ten years after 9/11 is a very offensive act, although constitutionally-protected. Rand knows all too well that he too-casually waded into a hostile media after his primary win and was baited into some hazardous discussions about reverence for the Constitution. He has learned that the media jackals don't care about report accuracy. They only care about fanning the flames of yellow journalism that keep ratings high.

Posted by: thirty3na3rd | August 23, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Got to love that Ron Paul, he is one of a kind in the cesspool of Congress.

Posted by: Gooddogs | August 23, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Rand Paul probably sides with his father, but as a teabagger candidate he must appeal to a howling pack of ignorant, xenophobic racists. (Google "Tea party racist signs" and note that Beck had to tell the goobs not to bring signs to his 8/28 event.)

The Republican Party keeps the 'baggers off balance, and easily manipulated, by rotating through a list of boogymen which the 'baggers have been trained to hate on command, e.g., commies, "soshalists", the MSM, Hillary Clinton, the UN and Muslims.

Because Muslims are on the "hate on command" list, Rand Paul must come out against them or lose the Fox News moron vote - which is about all he has.

Posted by: Miss_Fedelm | August 23, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

If Rand Paul thinks it's a local issue, why does he feel compelled to take an anti-libertarian stance on the issue? Because, he's the same type of opportunistic politico as Bob Barr. FAKE.

Posted by: dougdupin@yahoo.com | August 23, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

This is obviously an emotional issue. I have to admit when I first heard about the mosque I winced. It took a great deal of inner struggle and of course learning of the facts to come to a more sensible conclusion. I am personally in favor of allowing the mosque to be built, however, Americans have seen through the narrow lens of the media mosques across the country producing cells of potential terrorists. Clerics have also been less than honest, plotting and conspiring to harm Americans in secret while putting on airs of reconciliation and brotherly love in public. I can see both sides, but as a pastor I tend to want to see the best in everyone and give my brothers and sisters, whatever their religion, the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: kswsting | August 23, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Mr Kolawole, It is not a "mosque," though a mosque will be part of Cordoba House. Be accurate; don't contribute to the terminology confusion.

Posted by: mitchellowens | August 23, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"Rand Paul is his own man."

Not a bad bumper sticker right there.
Or here is another one:

"Rand: A new kind of Paul"

C'mon, that's a bull's-eye.
Call me, Rand. You know you need me.

Posted by: kreminitly | August 23, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

the junior paul has no true views or opinions.. he another obama

Posted by: newagent99 | August 23, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

tuttlegroup ... racism? When did Islam become a race?

You are the hater ...

Posted by: Hazmat77 | August 23, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Rand the MADMAN dirTEABAG....full of hot air and racism.....and embarrassment to America. David Duke should come back for these dimbos.

Posted by: tuttlegroup | August 23, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Rand the MADMAN dirTEABAG....full of hot air and racism.....and embarrassment to America. David Duke should come back for these dimbos.

Posted by: tuttlegroup | August 23, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse


Harry Reid has split with Barry over the mosque. That is a much more significant rift inside the Democrat party.

Posted by: screwjob21 | August 23, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Rand the MADMAN dirTEABAG....full of hot air and racism.....and embarrassment to America. David Duke should come back for these dimbos.

Posted by: tuttlegroup | August 23, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse


Harry Reid has split with Barry over the mosque. That is a much more significant rift inside the Democrat party.

Posted by: screwjob21 | August 23, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Let's give a guy credit when he is right. Ron is consistent in his position in this case.

Ron's point about GOP spending all of their time on hate rather than economy will have impact this election cycle.

Grover Norquest put it correctly, "Everyone will forget about this after few month. But those who feel threatened by this action from GOP will not forget this bigotry for generations".

Posted by: SeedofChange | August 23, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Congressman Paul is correct in that the jobs, economy and the deficit are the priorities that the politicians should be concerned about.

The mosque on the island of Manhatten is a distraction from the major problems this country is facing and in all probability the individual that is proposing it will be unable to find the funding to build it.

I advise any politician who wants to be elected to focus on jobs, economy and the deficit!

Posted by: mwhoke | August 23, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Very disappointing to learn Rand does not have the grits like his father does to stand for - freedom of religion - a libertarian and a truly american value.
I guess he only aspires to be a politician. And Rand should know that we refused to accept any Muslim donations after 911. Now he claims they should donate to 911 fund? He sounds more like Pat Robertson Republican that a Libertarian Republican.
Very disappointing.
After slavery, civil rights, segregation, womans rights and so on, you would think we had put such bigotry behind us. But I guess not - it always lurked beneath the surface and always will.

Posted by: Virginian_Ace | August 23, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Very disappointing to learn Rand does not have the grits like his father does to stand for - freedom of religion - a libertarian and a truly american value.
I guess he only aspires to be a politician. And Rand should know that we refused to accept any Muslim donations after 911. Now he claims they should donate to 911 fund? He sounds more like Pat Robertson Republican that a Libertarian Republican.
Very disappointing.
After slavery, civil rights, segregation, womans rights and so on, you would think we had put such bigotry behind us. But I guess not - it always lurked beneath the surface and always will.

Posted by: Virginian_Ace | August 23, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

No body knows what to do with this mosque and things have gotten out of hands!

I like this guy's approach:

http://www.entertainmedaily.com/2010/08/the-ground-zero-mosquerade/

Posted by: shlomitandroypethostel | August 23, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

What have all the naysayers got to say about Freedom of Religion?

What about the Tea Baggers who complained that President Obama was somehow impinging on their "freedoms"?

Some of the crazies even when out with their guns on a mission to protect their "freedoms".

Now here they are, back, trying to deny other people THEIR freedoms.

If it were for hypocriscy and demagoguery, we wouldn't have a Republican Party.

Posted by: lindalovejones | August 23, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

The site is four blocks away, not two. Now tell us everything else you know about it, Paul.

Posted by: htimothyjones1 | August 23, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I live in Texas near Lake Jackson, and I'm one of Ron Paul's constituents. I disagree with his positions far more often than I agree with them, but this is a case where I agree with him. Those who purport to support the U.S. Constitution and freedom of religion should certainly not oppose this mosque.

Posted by: nmclain | August 23, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

So they have both sides of debate covered --who ever would have guessed.

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown | August 23, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

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