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Grayson calls opponent 'Taliban Dan Webster' (Updated)



By Emi Kolawole

Updated 3:52p.m.: Grayson appeared on MSNBC Tuesday to defend his campaign's ad calling Republican Dan Webster "Taliban Dan."

During Grayson's appearance, a longer clip of the Webster speech was played, showing the Republican telling the audience to ignore the section of the Bible in which women are called on to submit to their husbands. "Don't pick the [Bible verses] that say, 'she should submit to me.' That's in the Bible, but pick the ones that you're supposed to do. So, instead, that you'd love your wife even as Christ loved the church and gave himself for it, as opposed to wives submit yourselves to your own husband."

When asked to defend the ad, Grayson insisted the ad was accurate saying, "We didn't twist his words...he's a 28-year career politician and when a career politician is tagged with his own words, which we quoted in the ad, of course he's going to respond it's out of context."

The ad has been rated "false" by the non-partisan Politifact.com.

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Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) released a new ad that compares his Republican challenger's position on women's issues to the Taliban.

"Religious fanatics try to take away our freedom in Afghanistan, in Iran and right here in central Florida," says an announcer. The ad then plays a recording of Grayson's opponent, Daniel Webster, saying, "Wives submit yourself to your own husband...she should submit to me, that's in the Bible." The ad continues to replay the "submit to me" line as it makes a series of claims regarding Webster's record on women's issues. The ad ends with the announcer saying, "Taliban Dan Webster, hands off our bodies and our laws." A report from the Orlando Sentinel outlines each of the claims made in the ad.

In a local television interview, Webster said he hadn't seen the ad. Playing on his own words, he said, "My wife asked me not to watch the ad, and I submitted to her." Asked to provide greater context for his statements, Webster did not provide specifics about the source of the remarks. "I certainly don't talk in three- or four-word statements."

This is not the first ad from Grayson to attack Webster. In an earlier ad, Grayson accused Webster of being a draft dodger. The nonpartisan Annenberg Public Policy Center's FactCheck.org called the ad "false" and "one of the nastiest we have seen so far this year."

(via CBS)

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By Emi Kolawole  | September 27, 2010; 1:01 PM ET
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Grayson's clip is out of context, but it certainly doesn't imply "the opposite" of what Webster meant. Yes, Webster was advising husbands to pray to fulfill their own Biblically prescribed duties--such as loving their wives--rather than praying that their wives would fulfill their Biblical duties--such as submitting to their husbands. But viewing a longer clip makes it clear that the he endorses the doctrine of wifely submission; it's just that at that moment, he is giving advice to husbands, not to wives.

Webster was dispensing this advice at a gathering of the Institute in Basic Life Principles, an organization with which he has been closely associated for decades. The IBLP stresses the importance of obedience to authority, including wives' submission to their husbands. What kind of advice does the IBLP give wives? You can get a sample on this page on the organization's website: http://ati.iblp.org/ati/supportlink/kb/questions/237/How+can+I+help+my+husband+take+on+spiritual+leadership%3F. It cautions wives that "the slightest resistance or displeasure" on their part can undermine their husbands' all-important spiritual leadership.

The import of Grayson's ad -- that Webster adheres to a male-supremacist religious creed that influences his work in government -- is perfectly sound. I'd like to see journalists ask Webster whether he believes that wives should submit to their husbands. In the past, however, he has refused to discuss specifics of his beliefs.

Posted by: Nunnya | September 30, 2010 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Sharon_6441 wrote:

Saw on the History Channel last night where the radical republican governor of TN after the civil war actually ended up creating the KKK in Pulaski, TN because of his radicalism(wouldn't allow former soldiers to vote & it ticked them off-unfortunately at the wrong people!!)...the radical republicans also started the War of 1812...
They're still with us even today in 2010...When are we going to get rid of this bunch of radicals that have caused so much damage to our nation?
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Complete drivel. The Radical Republicans were virulently anti-slavery. It's true that The KKK was founded in Pulaski, TN. Founded by disgruntled Confederate soldiers. All Democrats. Much like the IRA and Sinn Fein the KKK were the terror wing of the Democratic Party. Klan groups spread throughout the South as an insurgent movement after the war. As a secret vigilante group, the Klan reacted against Radical Republican control of Reconstruction by attempting to restore white supremacy by threats and violence, including murder, against black and white Republicans. The leading Radical Republican of the day, Rep. Thaddeus Stevens (R-PA), said:

“I am for Negro suffrage If it be just, it should not be denied; if it be necessary, it should be adopted; if it be a punishment to traitors, they deserve it.”

Sounds like a real hardcore Klansman, doesn't he?

As for the War of 1812, there were no Republicans back then. The party was founded by anti-slavery expansion activists in 1854. Better get your history from another source. The History channel has become a joke. "The History of Snack Foods" Gimme a break. And what does "Ice Road Truckers" have to do with history.

Posted by: lure1 | September 30, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

The shame is that Grayson probably has lots of stuff to legitimately use on Webster, but instead goes over the top and actually lies. I'm a Democrat, but I do not like sleazy tactics, no matter who is using them.

Posted by: kgb1 | September 29, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I'd personally like to meet anyone that votes for this character so I could ask them, "What are you thinking?" His partner in crime, Ron Klein in District 22 is playing some dirty politics too. The Democrats must have gotten ahold of some funny water, here in Florida.

Posted by: bflat879 | September 28, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

To atose, did you happen to read the beginning of the article that shows that Grayson's claim was totally false?

Posted by: MarkE3 | September 28, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Finally, these republican right wing nutters get a bit of their own medicine. It's ironic that a comparison is drawn between right wingers( tea party types) and the Taliban. These 2 groups are the biggest threat to world peace.

Posted by: atose | September 28, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Always thought their was something really similar between Sarah Palin And Ahmadinejad, they both live in their own small minds.

Posted by: atose | September 28, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Finally, these luni republican right wing folks get a bit of their own medicine. It's ironic that a comparison is drawn between right wingers( tea party types) and the Taliban. These 2 groups are the biggest threat to world peace.

Posted by: atose | September 28, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Alan Grayson is a complete idiot. He is a liar and a cesspool all in one. I am ashamed that someone as low and scummy as he is, represents anyone from Florida. He is by far the best example of whats wrong with Washington DC. How anyone could ever vote for him is unbeliveable. He is the kind of lying trash we have to weed out of Washington.

Posted by: battman90210 | September 28, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Alan Grayson is a complete idiot. He is a liar and a cesspool all in one. I am ashamed that someone as low and scummy as he is, represents anyone from Florida. He is by far the best example of whats wrong with Washington DC. How anyone could ever vote for him is unbeliveable. He is the kind of lying trash we have to weed out of Washington.

Posted by: battman90210 | September 28, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Too Bad the ad is a total Lie:

"In a new ad, Grayson accuses his Republican opponent Daniel Webster of being a religious fanatic and dubs him “Taliban Dan.” But to make his case, Grayson manipulates a video clip to make it appear Webster was commanding wives to submit to their husbands, quoting a passage in the Bible.

Four times, the ad shows Webster saying wives should submit to their husbands. In fact, Webster was cautioning husbands to avoid taking that passage as their own. The unedited quote is: Don’t pick the ones that say, ‘She should submit to me.’ That’s in the Bible, but pick the ones that you’re supposed to do. So instead, ‘love your wife, even as Christ loved the Church and gave himself for it’

The full context of the remarks make clear that Webster is not telling wives to submit to their husbands. Just the opposite."

Grayson is despicable.

Posted by: BigAlli | September 28, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

OK...got my chuckle for the day. Some genius posted remarks that included this perfect storm of mindless partisanship, paranoid conspiracy theory and plain old racist bigotry:

"...the practice of voodooism and it's sudden increase in popularity, both north and south of the border, owes its new found energies, and is directly linked, to the black caucus of the democratic party..."

That's right. He said that there is a sudden increase in the popularity of "voodooism" (and he wasn't even talking about economics!). You heard it here!

Posted by: Iconoblaster | September 28, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

OK...got my chuckle for the day. Some genius posted remarks that included this perfect storm of mindless partisanship, paranoid conspiracy theory and plain old racist bigotry:

"...the practice of voodooism and it's sudden increase in popularity, both north and south of the border, owes its new found energies, and is directly linked, to the black caucus of the democratic party..."

That's right. He said that there is a sudden increase in the popularity of "voodooism" (and he wasn't even talking about economics!). You heard it hear!

Posted by: Iconoblaster | September 28, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

It's funny that in 2008, when he got elected, Grayson's website domain name "congressmanwithguts.com", was still available...

Same passion as the Tea Party loons, but without the religious extremism.

Maybe we need more like him on both sides.

Posted by: jgmann | September 28, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: henryetu | September 28, 2010 6:00 AM | Report abuse

The devil lives in Taliban. The devil lives in western society too. For example in women boxing.

Posted by: mishingk | September 28, 2010 1:45 AM | Report abuse

What a disgusting idiot!

Posted by: Prof-Dr-G | September 28, 2010 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Fortunately we won't be hearing much from Grayson after November 2nd... unless Orlando gets a heavy snowstorm that day.

Posted by: JBaustian | September 27, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

What the ad shows is that Grayson is an idiot.

Posted by: gfafblifr | September 27, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Grayson is an embarassment - but he represents the demographics of his district. They are escapees from Appalachia, have missing teeth and one or more old refrigerator or old car up on blocks in their front yard. No point in trying to shame them since most can't read. Mr. Grayson is a typical democrat.

Posted by: IQ168 | September 27, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

What's next for Grayson - accusing his opponent of involvement in the JFK assassination?

Posted by: rwikert | September 27, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Yep! They put their best brain right out in front. I'll bet they are proud. The best D.C. has to offer.

Posted by: area51az | September 27, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse


Haitian diaspora spreading the gospel of voodoo
INGRID PERITZ
Montreal— From Monday's Globe and Mail
Published Monday, Sep. 27, 2010 12:49AM EDT
Last updated Monday, Sep. 27, 2010 1:04AM EDT
James M. Convey
6:09 PM on September 27, 2010
News flash>>>>>> (THIS IS A JOKE GUYS! Not eh Globe and mail article but this news flash) So typical however of what appears as "newsworthy" in the political climate today!

It is reported that Newt Gingrich well known leader on intellectual republican issues in the U.S. is expected to issue a statement on this issue shortly. Insiders within the Republican party in the US, have reported that the practice of voodooism and it's sudden increase in popularity, both north and south of the border, owes its new found energies, and is directly linked, to the black caucus of the democratic party, Sources also explain that there is evidence that this support has received a blessing from the commander in Chief, Barack Hussein Obama, and other voodoo worshippers in the White house.

It is fully expected that the usual republican sources at Fox news, will be featuring expanded expose' coverage of this latest threat to the wholesomeness of the American Christian way of life. Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck both expect to produce historical evidence, linking this scandalous threat, with the council for promotion of Islamic Sharia Law in the United States. Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity have already prepared pieces to air in the coming days, further expanding on this threat to overthrow the American way of life. No denials have been forthcoming from either Voodoo central, or the Islamic Sharia law in America movement? Some have expressed amazement at these reports?
www.jameconvey.com

Posted by: jmconvey | September 27, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Daniel Webster is going to get one of my BIGGEST donations this election season. Grayson is an idiot, and offensive with it. GO DAN!

Posted by: lisaaitken | September 27, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Grayson has a screw loose.

Posted by: waterfrontproperty | September 27, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I hope that the Florida voters do not send this ignorant, offensive man back to congress.

Posted by: bethg1841 | September 27, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Grayson is an embarrassment to the Democratic Party.
How he got elected, and why anyone would listen to his rants is beyond me.
What does it say about the Dems that Charlie Rangel is up for trial on 13 Ethics Violations and his constituency votes him in, in the Primary.
Obviously they don't care if he is corrupt and a crook.

Posted by: joanz3 | September 27, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Saw on the History Channel last night where the radical republican governor of TN after the civil war actually ended up creating the KKK in Pulaski, TN because of his radicalism(wouldn't allow former soldiers to vote & it ticked them off-unfortunately at the wrong people!!)...the radical republicans also started the War of 1812...
They're still with us even today in 2010...When are we going to get rid of this bunch of radicals that have caused so much damage to our nation?

Posted by: Sharon_6441 | September 27, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

As far as a political strategy who knows...but as far as truth telling, right on target.

I think the religious right has alot more in common with the Taliban than they want to admit. Their fundamentalist religous views are depressingly similar.

Lets hope Grayson manages to shed a little light on these so-called 'libertarian' tea parties which are really social convservaties flying under the PR radar.

Posted by: MarcMyWords | September 27, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

If the issue here is truly that Mr. Grayson is concerned about Mr. Webster not going off to war and instead making excuses, it is unfortunate that the Dems failed to make this same fact public when they all pushed (Mr. Grayson included) for William Jefferson Clinton to be elected, when Mr. Clinton was guilty of far worse than merely seeking deferments. Unlike Mr. Webster, Mr. Clinton actually left the U.S. and made anti American speeches in foreign lands, much like Mr. Obama has done since entering the Oval Office. I guess in Mr. Graysons opinion, the facts only matter when they can be used to ones own advantage.

Posted by: jonweiss1 | September 27, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

If the issue here is truly that Mr. Grayson is concerned about Mr. Webster not going off to war and instead making excuses, it is unfortunate that the Dems failed to make this same fact public when they all pushed (Mr. Grayson included) for William Jefferson Clinton to be elected, when Mr. Clinton was guilty of far worse than merely seeking deferments. Unlike Mr. Webster, Mr. Clinton actually left the U.S. and made anti American speeches in foreign lands, much like Mr. Obama has done since entering the Oval Office. I guess in Mr. Graysons opinion, the facts only matter when they can be used to ones own advantage.

Posted by: jonweiss1 | September 27, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see a Democrat with a spine. To the rest of them, see what happens when you hit back, hard against, bullies. And, Anneberg Policy Center-named after Reagan and Nixon's buddy, is hardly an objective judge of anything.

Posted by: BBear1 | September 27, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Grayson is a worthless pOs. Can't wait for him to be unemployed.

Posted by: FormerDemocrat | September 27, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so many of the commentors on this article seem to think that two wrongs make a right? The democrats can say nasties because the republicans have? Nice logic there boys and girls. I guess you didn't get nasty and negative enough during the eight years when evil brain-dead Bush was in office, huh? This leads me to believe that the underlying sentiments of the immature wing of the democratic party is, "It's okay when I do it, but not when you do it." My, my, and people wonder why nobody gets along anymore.

Posted by: AnnieP1 | September 27, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have smeared some veterans and got away with it comparing them to terrorists for many years. I am glad to see the Democrats actually fighting back and fighting back HARD in a state like Florida.

Posted by: cags777 | September 27, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

That should tell you all you need to know about the Left wing of the Democrat party!

Freedom of religion, huh?
Sounds more like FREEDOM FROM CHRISTIANITY.

Posted by: aserwin | September 27, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

That should tell you all you need to know about the Left wing of the Democrat party!

Posted by: aserwin | September 27, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

After the crap the GOPers have thrown for the past few decades, there should be no insult too insulting for the Dems to throw back. Good for Grayson.

Posted by: Observer691 | September 27, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

yeah...Grayson claims not to have seen the ad...what a tool, just like when he signed away our kids future signing bills he did not read. When he losses this election they will check this carpetbagging Washington liberal back into the asylum where he belongs. He calls taxpayer money HIS money as if he were Santa Claus...biggest lying fraud to ever hold office. Attacks his opponent on military service when AG never came close to serving anything but Alan Grayson and his huge ego.

Posted by: fraggle318 | September 27, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I love it when the Libtards declare their opponents "crazy" and "extremist" and then trot our a true crackpot like Alan Grayson to call the kettle black.

PRICELESS!

Posted by: braunt | September 27, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

If the Dems keep working hard they should be able to keep the extremist Republicans from taking over the House this fall, and that would be devastating for the Repubs. They've been thumping their chests and bloviating about it for months now. If they fall short it will be seen as an EPIC FAIL of such large proportions that even the Right Wing Noise Machine won't be able to spin it as a win for them.

My entire motivation for GOTV this fall is in keeping this dried up piece of Beef Jerky from becoming the Speaker of the House.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3432/3280591772_bcf2970727.jpg

.

Posted by: DrainYou | September 27, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

YEAH!!! ROCK ON ALAN!!!!

rethuglicans = TALIBAN = TRUTH !!!

Posted by: rbaldwin2 | September 27, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

time to contribute to a patriot and a democrat. go grayson.

Posted by: calif-joe | September 27, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Fantastic!
Grayson is one of the few who has the guts to tell it like it is.
The republicans and radical followers have called President Obama and the Democrats every radical name they could get by with without requiring expletives.
They have sold their souls, all honor and integrity all for the sake of regaining power and winning this next election.
They have sold the American people short as they do not realize we can see through their hypocrasy and swiftboating tactics.

Posted by: kathlenec | September 27, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I like it when the Left gets down and dirty like the Right.

But, be careful now.

You don't want to be seen as too low down and dirty like the Right.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | September 27, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Sounds accurate. Using a narrow interpretation of a 200yo set of stories to impose restrictions on half the population. men should control women? Buy/sell women? Stone women for things that men do with impunity? The biggest group (in Rome) doesn't even let women into management because of their interpretation of old tribal myths.

The Republiban are a bunch of dangerous loo-loos!

Posted by: thebobbob | September 27, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Give the right a taste of their own medicine.

Lovin' it!

Posted by: Garak | September 27, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

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