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Posted at 12:25 PM ET, 11/22/2010

Snowe, Collins back lawsuit challenging health-care law

By Matt DeLong

This post was last updated at 1:42 p.m.

The Portland (Maine) Press-Herald reports that both of Maine's senators -- Republicans Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins -- are signing on to a friend-of-the-court brief in support of a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the new health-care law.

The brief was initiated by U.S. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky and boasts the signatures of 30 Senate Republicans. The lawsuit was brought by the attorneys general for several states and the National Federation of Independent Businesses, a small-business trade organization.

At issue is a requirement that U.S. citizens purchase health insurance beginning in 2014 or face a fine -- known as the "individual mandate."

As the lone Republican on the Senate Finance Committee who voted to move the bill -- which at the time included an individual mandate (though Snowe made clear then that she didn't support that provision) -- to the full Senate last year, Snowe was the only Republican senator who supported the bill at any stage. She did not vote for final passage of the bill in March. Snowe and Collins are widely viewed as two of a dwindling number of GOP moderates remaining in Congress.

Snowe is up for reelection in 2012, and Maine tea party groups have already pledged to mount a primary challenge. Snowe is no doubt taking the threat seriously, considering the Maine GOP adopted a tea party-backed platform this year and Paul LePage, a combative conservative candidate who promised to tell President Obama to "go to hell," won the state's gubernatorial race in November. Collins faces reelection in 2014.

UPDATE: In an interview last year with Karen Tumulty -- then of TIME and now of The Post -- Snowe voiced opposition to the individual mandate on affordability grounds, but didn't say anything about the provision's constitutionality.

By Matt DeLong  | November 22, 2010; 12:25 PM ET
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I hope that at last the writers and editors at the Washington Post will take off your blinders and STOP -- for heaven's sake, please STOP -- thinking about -- and writing about! -- Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins as "moderate Republicans." There is no such animal; the breed went extinct at least a decade ago, and not one of the GOP members of either house or any of the legislative branches in any state deserves the designation.

Snowe and Collins are as much right-wing, knee-jerk puppets of Mitch McConnell as every other Republican senator. LOOK AT THEIR VOTING RECORDS AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIND A SINGLE VOTE SINCE 2006 THAT JUSTIFIES CALLING EITHER OF THEM A MODERATE.

I know it's politically correct in the benighted beltway world to pretend that both parties have a range of ideas and ideologies and opinions, but the facts are otherwise. Republicans have moved from the arch-right wing of Ronald Reagan to the mega-super-hyper-arch-right of Rand Paul in one generation, and they have never looked back.

There are no more Republican moderates, or moderate Republicans. If you wish to have any credibility as a newspaper, you'll stop calling Snowe and Collins (and Lugar and Kyl and Corker the Joker from Tennessee) that outdated term.

Posted by: adreed | November 27, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I hope that at last the writers and editors at the Washington Post will take off your blinders and STOP -- for heaven's sake, please STOP -- thinking about -- and writing about! -- Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins as "moderate Republicans." There is no such animal; the breed went extinct at least a decade ago, and not one of the GOP members of either house or any of the legislative branches in any state deserves the designation.

Snowe and Collins are as much right-wing, knee-jerk puppets of Mitch McConnell as every other Republican senator. LOOK AT THEIR VOTING RECORDS AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIND A SINGLE VOTE SINCE 2006 THAT JUSTIFIES CALLING EITHER OF THEM A MODERATE.

I know it's politically correct in the benighted beltway world to pretend that both parties have a range of ideas and ideologies and opinions, but the facts are otherwise. Republicans have moved from the arch-right wing of Ronald Reagan to the mega-super-hyper-arch-right of Rand Paul in one generation, and they have never looked back.

There are no more Republican moderates, or moderate Republicans. If you wish to have any credibility as a newspaper, you'll stop calling Snowe and Collins (and Lugar and Kyl and Corker the Joker from Tennessee) that outdated term.

Posted by: adreed | November 27, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I am thankful every day that President Obama is in charge. No one seems to pay attention to the Senate republicans every action against the people of America. The Senate republicans who wanted nothing at all done to help the states with Recovery funds and did not want any other progress for the country after they were the ones who sat idly by or participated while so much corruption and greed was going on have a lot of nerve. McConnell is a bully, a bigot and an arrogant millionaire against Democrats who want to help people not of the richest class in the country.

Posted by: equalon | November 27, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Both Collins and Snowe are up for election in 2012. They don't have the backbone to stand for the American people to have better health care even though these two ladies really have more sense than the likes of McConnell who is working with satan to unseat President Obama and keep Americans dumb and needy for health care benefits. Nothing new except that so many people are just as dumb as McConnel wants them to be.

Posted by: equalon | November 26, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

I live in Maine and what makes the Tea Party think that they can run our state? After LePage has his way for four years, people will have waked up to his/their radicalism and will never vote for them again! I will not vote for Snowe or Collins, but neither will I vote for a candidate from the Tea Party! I will vote Democrat (or Green) and send MY message to the Repubs and T.P'iers!! My message: Remember Miller, Remember Angle, Remember your father's Dem party and send YOUR message to the Tea Party and the Repubs! Snowe may not go back to the Senate, and it may have nothing to do with Tea Partiers!!

Posted by: cokids | November 26, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I live in Maine and what makes the Tea Party think that they can run our state? After LePage has his way for four years, people will have waked up to his/their radicalism and will never vote for them again! I will not vote for Snowe or Collins, but neither will I vote for a candidate from the Tea Party! I will vote Democrat (or Green) and send MY message to the Repubs and T.P'iers!! My message: Remember Miller, Remember Angle, Remember your father's Dem party and send YOUR message to the Tea Party and the Repubs! Snowe may not go back to the Senate, and it may have nothing to do with Tea Partiers!!

Posted by: cokids | November 26, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: twoeagle
Why would you think I have government subsidized health insurance? I happen to have my own health insurance for which I pay the premium. Unfortunately because of all you free loaders my premium has increased quite a bit.
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Twoeagle, if you have health insurance, it is already government-subsidized. The tax break that allows employers and employees to purchase health insurance out of pre-tax dollars, along with the deductibility of the other medical expenses, mean that the taxpayer is sharing in the cost of your medical care. Further, those “freeloaders” who you accuse of increasing your insurance costs are exactly the reason for medical reform. We are already paying for health care for the uninsured, albeit in a very inefficient way (ER visits for what should be routine office visits, for example). In another post, you cited an article that you argued shows the problems we will have with medical reform in the U.S. I checked your link. Not only is it an article in an “expat forum,” which is not necessarily an objective source of information, but ironically, it concludes that New Zealand’s health care system is different from those in other countries, even those with government-run health care! The article specifically notes that NZ’s health care system is like that in the UK thirty years ago. Since the U.S. health care reform is clearly still a private system and not government-run, your citation is not at all relevant for an analysis of the new health care law. You refer to the U.S. system as socialized medicine, which it clearly is not. Due to the political compromises made to ensure passage, it is not even a single payer system. At most, it is an attempt to broaden coverage and limit some insurance company actions that harm the consumer. Whether the U.S. reform is good or bad, it is definitely not what you imply that it is. It will still leave the U.S. as the only major economy in the world without universal health care. If you like the Wild West approach, that's good. If you don't that's bad. But either way, your postings describe a different reality from the actual law that was passed.

Posted by: rbharris50 | November 23, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

These two, Snowe and Collins, are like Laurel and Hardy; it's hard to tell what they are going to do next. But, I think, if Snowe wants to remain, she will have to refrain from siding with the Democrats, especially regarding healthcare and posture herself more in the middle right. Time will tell but so far the peoples voice seems to be have heard at least in Maine.

Posted by: jimtoledo | November 23, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

These two, Snowe and Collins, are like Laurel and Hardy; it's hard to tell what they are going to do next. But, I think, if Snowe wants to remain, she will have to refrain from siding with the Democrats, especially regarding healthcare and posture herself more in the middle right. Time will tell but so far the peoples voice seems to be have heard at least in Maine.

Posted by: jimtoledo | November 23, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

These two, Snowe and Collins, are like Laurel and Hardy; it's hard to tell what they are going to do next. But, I think, if Snowe wants to remain, she will have to refrain from siding with the Democrats, especially regarding healthcare and posture herself more in the middle right. Time will tell but so far the peoples voice seems to be have heard at least in Maine.

Posted by: jimtoledo | November 23, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse


The only reason the Senate will still be controlled by the Dims next year is that it requires three consecutive elections to vote out all of them. Only four more Senate seats to go, Dims.

Posted by: screwjob22 | November 23, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse


The only reason the Senate will still be controlled by the Dims next year is that it requires three consecutive elections to vote out all of them. Only four more Senate seats to go, Dims.

Posted by: screwjob22 | November 23, 2010 6:55 AM | Report abuse

Washing ton post I have only submitted one comment. Not many as you said. What is wrong --you did not like my comment or was it to strong, anyway it was rejected by you paper. Or are you rejecting my freedon=m of speech once agin?

Posted by: peterepete | November 23, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Washing ton post I have only submitted one comment. Not many as you said. What is wrong --you did not like my comment or was it to strong, anyway it was rejected by you paper. Or are you rejecting my freedon=m of speech once agin?

Posted by: peterepete | November 23, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

the republicans claim the health care bill cost to much, yet they want to give a 7oobillion dollar $$$$ tax cut to the top 2percent of the richest people in the nation. And borrow the money from the Chinese to pay for that tax cut. the Republicans make noisy claims about bringing the deficit doan but want to give away and add to the deficit the 700 billion tax cut for the rich. they say our children and their children will be paying for a deficit spending for decades to come, yet they want to dd another 700 billion dollars to that same debt they say is to high.What hypocryts, the biggest kind. they added 6 years of deficit spending during the bush years. Now is that not deficit spending? or is it just republican good old boy spending?

Posted by: peterepete | November 23, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse

for shame!

Posted by: pierrecasteneda | November 22, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Is Snowe finally seeing the light ? Now maybe she can get the " pretty boy " in Mass. elected by the " Tea Party " to get his nose out of Obama's Recterial Area long enough to get on board, as well.

Posted by: politicsiscrooked | November 22, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

The good news is that we are moving more of our psychiatrists from the private sector to Walter Reed to help out with scrambled brains. Also, some soldiers are getting new arms and legs. Perhaps people without health insurance should join the Military...We are saving more soldiers who only a few years ago would have been dead on the battlefield. Our VA is better and may even be getting more money. War is expensive. How much more war can we afford...Would people agree to pay more taxes to help homeless vets..it is getting cold here.

Posted by: judithclaire1939 | November 22, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

jjdenton, did you read the Feb 2009 "stimulus" bill that said all health care givers and doctors have to be unionized? That threatens the availability of healthcare as well as make it too expensive for most of us.

Frankly, I do not believe you have read all the pages of the healthscare scam. If you read it, you did not understand it. It is a real bummer and adds many dollars in fees. In fact, Obama has now called them taxes because the government is not allowed to put fees on us. No company will offer healthcare and no one will be able to afford it. Sorry I call you a liar, but I truly believe you are one.

Posted by: annnort | November 22, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Sigh! Just two more who value their personal political positions and Corporate funding in their campaigns MORE than they value the needs of middle-class and poor people of the United States.

Know what adjective best describes such people? "AMORAL"

Thas' a sorry FACT!

Posted by: lufrank1 | November 22, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Just in case you want more examples of how bad state run healthcare can be yet another article. You can be sure you will get these delays in Obamacare. Too many people - not enough doctors and protocols for treatment.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10644335

Posted by: twoeagle | November 22, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Figures! These Senators and Representatives are only interested in keeping their jobs. Forget the average American who might benefit from the healthcare bill. The worst thing is that I don't expect any better from these elected officials. I don't know how they can look at themselves in the mirror each day.

Posted by: softjazz41 | November 22, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dotto
Tell us who you are and where you had these "experiences"; in other words verify your claims here!
*********************************************My experiences were in Auckland, NZ where I lived and where my family continues to live. Read the NZ Herald sometimes about all the problems they have with healthcare. Don't take my word for it. All the strikes by doctors - just finished a radiologist strike over there. Most of the doctors go to school on a government grant that requires they work in NZ for a period of time. As soon as it is up they move to Australia where they make 4 times as much. Some people love the system - mostly those that pay nothing for it. The really good doctors work in private practice and have private hospitals. Here is a link for you. Don't believe me - look it up yourself.

http://www.expatforum.com/articles/health/health-care-in-new-zealand.html

Posted by: twoeagle | November 22, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

"And be sure to get a real CBO score rather than seek a fraudulent one like the Democrats."

It was a Maryland congressman, Rep. Van Hollen, that presented the idea of including a tax credit revision for BIO-FUEL to bring down the cost of the HEALTH CARE reform bill. Tell me again how the two are related? Or how the House can attach the doc fix then remove it to a separate bill because it pushed the cost too high? Or how they can justify using trust fund accounting to push the bill's financing out of the bill and into the future?

Posted by: cprferry | November 22, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: fudador:
When are YOU going to decline your government-subsidized health insurance?
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Pretty presumptive isn't it. Why would you think I have government subsidized health insurance? I happen to have my own health insurance for which I pay the premium. Unfortunately because of all you free loaders my premium has increased quite a bit. Even paying what I pay it is far superior to what I got in NZ and for which I paid a 2% tax on top of a 12.5% VAT and a 38% income tax. That was on 100% of my income. No limit on the first $106,000 like you have in the US. They don't mince words either - they call it socialized medicine - unlike the Soros/Demo/Socialist have denied Obamacare to be.

Posted by: twoeagle | November 22, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Dear, twoeagle

Tell us who you are and where you had these "experiences"; in other words verify your claims here!

Only fools are going to believe what you write without some collaborating evidence.

I could just as easily get on here and sing to the to the high heavens the wonders of nationalized medicine and how it has saved my life, etc, etc and without one ounce of supporting evidence whose to know whether it is all just a lie or not?

How do we know whether you are not some goon working for the insurance companies who lurks on forums and discussion forums and post company sponsored propaganda?

I suspect that many of those who post regularly on WAPO are such company goons!

Are you one or not? Prove it!

After all one does not get to be a high dollar lobbyist firm in DC without learning how to play all of the angles -phony grass roots websites, privately commissioned polls, friendly think tanks and columnist who write "scholarly"justifications for ones causes, er clients! Paid staffers who haunt newspaper discussion forums and other discussion forms and post their company line using dozens of phony email addresses and pseudonyms -like cooking the vote on Dancing with the Stars.

Just looking for the truth not propaganda!


Posted by: dotto | November 22, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

twoeagle

YOU SAY GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE IS NO GOOD BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR APPOINTMENTS, YOU DON'T GET TO SEE THE VERY BEST DOCTORS,ETC. I'M 49 YEARS OLD AND HAVE LOST MY JOB BECAUSE THE COMPANY MOVED TO INDIA. I HAVE TRIED FOR MONTHS TO GET ANOTHER. I WORK AT McDONALDS AND BURGER KING PART TIME. MY WIFE CLEANS HOUSES. WE HAVE TWO CHILDREN IN SCHOOL, HOUSE PAYMENT, UTILITIES, ETC., TO PAY. WE ARE SINKING AND HAVE NO HEALTH CARE FOR OUR FAMILY AND YOU TELL ME THE NEW HEALTH CARE LAW IS NO GOOD BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR AN APPOINTMENT AND DON'T GET THE BEST DOCTORS? I AM HERE AT THE LIBRARY EVERY EVENING READING THE PAPERS AND ON THEIR COMPUTER TO TRY TO FIND A JOB. SIR, THERE ARE MILLIONS JUST LIKE US AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU HAVE NO CLUE HOW SCARED WE ARE EVERYDAY THAT ONE OF US WILL GET SICK OR HAVE AN ACCIDENT. FINE, YOU CAN AFFORD INSURANCE EVIDENTLY BUT WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE YOU WANT TO CRUSH THOSE FAMILIES LIKE OURS WHO DESPERTELY NEED HEALTH CARE?

Posted by: jjdenton | November 22, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

twoeagle wrote:
Anyone that supports this nonsense or government provided health insurance has lost their mind. As some one that has experienced National Health Insurance I can tell you it is a disaster. I have lived it and can't think of anything worse that Nationalized Health Insurance.
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When are YOU going to decline your government-subsidized health insurance?

Posted by: fudador | November 22, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse


Can we trust them?

Posted by: TexRancher | November 22, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Anyone that supports this nonsense or government provided health insurance has lost their mind. Most of you see some panacea that will guarantee wonderful care at little to no cost. It isn't going to happen. As some one that has experienced National Health Insurance I can tell you it is a disaster. Long waits for appointments, set protocols for treatment, and the worst doctors. The good doctors have all moved to a pay for service practice. You get what is left. If that is what you want - go for it. I have lived it and can't think of anything worse that Nationalized Health Insurance. And quit blaming the health insurance companies. They have a 5% or less ROI. In modern business that is paltry by comparison to most businesses. You have bought into the Soros/Demo/Socialist lies. If you think health care is bad now - wait. It will get worse under Obamacare.

Posted by: twoeagle | November 22, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's time for Snowe and Collins to retire. I am aghast that they voted against equal pay for women. There's nothing "moderate" about that - they're playing to the ultra right.

Posted by: MNUSA | November 22, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey OHREALLYNOW, the only person who doesn't respect the office of the Presidency is Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: Kansasgirl | November 22, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

You write something concerning a consitutional challenge and you don't mention one word of the legal grounds for the challenge. High school juniors get a C for that type of reporting.

Posted by: Gooddogs | November 22, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like these gals are worried about their re-election. This administration is a train wreck.

Posted by: Kansasgirl | November 22, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Each and every Senator that signed this garbage should be voted out of office, no ifs, ands or buts!

Posted by: Moosem750 | November 22, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I am sick and tired of the posters who are constantly stating the president of the U. S. is out of touch with the people. Well, he IS in touch with me and my family on everything except one item and that is "TRYING TO WORK WITH THE REPUBLICANTS." The republicants will never work with Obama, and if they do they will flipflop the way Snowe has done. The republicants CAN'T be trusted!

Posted by: shermrob | November 22, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Here is a nice message from President Obama just out on health care:
Good afternoon,

Over the past few years, many Americans have seen their health insurance premiums skyrocket, while the quality of their health care declined. One of the reasons I pushed so hard to pass health care reform this year was to make sure that American consumers get what they pay for when it comes to their health care.

Today, we're launching a new provision of the Affordable Care Act that does exactly that. Next year, insurance companies will be required to spend at least 80 percent of the health insurance premiums you pay on your health care, instead of overhead costs like advertising and executive compensation. If they don't, they will be required to give you a rebate or cut your premiums starting in 2012.

I asked Nancy-Ann DeParle, the Director of the Office of Health Reform here at the White House, to break down what this means for you and why it's so important:

This new rules will make our health care marketplace more transparent and ensure you get the best value for your premium dollars. And it is just one of the many parts of the Affordable Care Act that are already making our health care system stronger. Here are just a few ways the Affordable Care Act is helping you and your family:

* HealthCare.gov. This new website helps you find private health insurance coverage that's right for you and your family and now allows you to compare pricing for the options available to you. In 2014, there will be many more affordable private plan choices.
* Patient's Bill of Rights. Insurance companies can no longer place lifetime limits on your care. If you're a young adult under the age of 26, you can stay on your parents' plan, and if your child has a pre-existing condition, insurance companies can't deny his or her coverage.
* Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan. If you have a pre-existing condition and are having a problem finding coverage, the Affordable Care Act created a special insurance plan just for you.
* Help for Small Businesses. If you're a small business owner, you may be eligible for tax credits to help provide insurance for your employees.
* Free Preventive Care. If you're purchasing a new plan, you’ll get preventive care like cancer screenings, well-baby and well-child check-ups, and blood pressure or diabetes tests for free.

These aren't just talking points. These changes are saving people’s lives and saving you money, and we will continue our work to implement this landmark law and make our health care system better for all of us.

Sincerely,

President Barack Obama

Posted by: jjdenton | November 22, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

FOR THE PERSON WHO WROTE THE BELOW. I DID READ THE HEALTH CARE LAW. I HAVE A COPY OF IT. I LOVE IT. IT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS NATION NEEDED. WHY ARE WE THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT PUTS THE HEALTH CARE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR CITIZENS ON BUSINESS PEOPLE? BUSINESSES HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY FOR EVERYONE'S HEALTH CARE. SAME THING WITH TAX BREAKS. A BUSINESS DOES NOT NEED A TAX BREAK IT NEEDS CUSTOMERS. YOU CAN GIVE THEM TAX BREAKS DOWN TO ZERO BUT IF THEY DON'T HAVE CUSTOMERS THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HIRE. WHEN ARE YOU RIGHT WING FOLKS GOING TO START OPERATING WITH COMMON SENSE INSTEAD OF KOOKINESS?
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Before you decide that the GOP is to blame for any of your healthcare problems you should know something about what is in the 2500 pages of the Healthcare Bill.I don't think you would like it.You should also be aware of what the gov't requires that the ins. cos. include and charge.Obama especially loves to point the finger at the greedy ins. cos.But nobody mentions what the gov't demands of the ins. cos.The one thing everyone has definitely gotten out of this healthcare bill is higher rates to pay for pre-existing conditions and teenage pregnancies up to age 26.No,the lawsuits are not frivolous political posturing and you all should hope Obamacare is repealed.READ WHAT's IN IT!

Posted by: syd123 | November 22, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jjdenton | November 22, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The more important question is who is NOT signing on, we the people need to know who to tar and feather.

Posted by: davidholt123@comcast.net | November 22, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: jjdenton: TO :moonlitesonata2 YES DUMBASS YOU CAN PURCHASE ANYTHING BUT
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A JOB OR DON'T MAKE ENOUGH TO PAY FOR IT THEN YOU NEED HELP. PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE TYPES I LIKE TO SEE IN BAD WRECKS WHERE YOU NO LONGER CAN WORK AND YOUR KIDS ARE HUNGRY AND WITHOUT AND YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR HELP. I WOULD LOVE TO BE THE GUY WHO "HELPS" YOU.
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What a crock of crap you spew. Of course you are ALLOWED to have those things.. PROVIDED YOU CAN PAY FOR IT. However, it IS NOT NOR EVER WILL BE MY JOB to pay for it for you, any more than it's my job to see to it that you've planned adequately for retirement, invested wisely, or ensure that you didn't overextend your credit to what you can afford. Moron.

Posted by: moonlitesonata2 | November 22, 2010 3:06 PM |

Posted by: jjdenton | November 22, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Before you decide that the GOP is to blame for any of your healthcare problems you should know something about what is in the 2500 pages of the Healthcare Bill.I don't think you would like it.You should also be aware of what the gov't requires that the ins. cos. include and charge.Obama especially loves to point the finger at the greedy ins. cos.But nobody mentions what the gov't demands of the ins. cos.The one thing everyone has definitely gotten out of this healthcare bill is higher rates to pay for pre-existing conditions and teenage pregnancies up to age 26.No,the lawsuits are not frivolous political posturing and you all should hope Obamacare is repealed.READ WHAT's IN IT!

Posted by: syd123 | November 22, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

It is sad that we have to continue to hear the lies that the republician want to finish brainwashing the rest of the american people with. They want us to be believe that it okay for individuals who do pay insurance continue to take on the responsiblity of having higher premiums for those who refused to get insurance. It is the rights of those who are paying for insurance at rates that is so high that is riducles because either people have been denied or kick off insurance or those who work right beside you making the same thing or more and refused to buy insurance but never fails to seek treatment if they are ill.

I can understand those who have been denied, kicked off or those who are low inclome but Ican not understand the likes of people who would rather put luxuries in front of responsibilities and expect us to be happy about them getting away with it. What kind of society are we to say that we prefer to take the medical cost of those who are able to get insurance and be happy about it and whinned about people that are denied insurance, kick off for having illness more than one time.

We are sad and it really make other countries look at us and have a field day for how stupid we are.

This bill has basisly the same thing the republician had in their bill under bush that they did not get passed and what they are pissed about is that this bill passed with a black man in office. How cruel we are to let race get in the way and it is no need to say it aint so because it is.

We pretended when Obama was campaign and won that words and action was not racial or hatred and it was. Now it is so far out of hand that it will take a miracle for it to go away.

It is sad when a group of people cannot look forward to the future but look backward to something that has been dead a long time and get over it. The status quo that the whites once had is gone and in fact you start losing that status quo the day the blacks was set free and then through the years of fighting for the rights of all miniorities gave everyone a way to make it up that hill. Being middle class today is an honor for any race but we do have all races in the top 1% along with the white. So now everyone is the same, some just have a little more money than others and those whohave less have the least headaches than those who are at the top.

They will fail in their attemp by the time 2014 get here and more people are taking responsiblity for their self an their familes, they will see a big difference. They will be so glad that some of that burden is right where it should be. The reform bill is not perfect but if they work to improve it, it may go a long way. But theydon't want to give it a chance because that means giving the wrong person the credit for trying to help the american people.

Where are the jobs they claim to beable to and they are already crying for more time at least six months or more, and you will give it to them because you hate the presdient

Posted by: ocrmom59 | November 22, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Are any Republican Senators willing to stand up in front of all the people they want to deny health care to and tell them why?

How about two million unemployed people and tell them they can go to hell and why?

GOP - another right-wing hate organization attack the American people from within.

Posted by: BigTrees | November 22, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tinyjab40
"It seems to me that if the requirement to be in the health care system is unconstitutional, then Medicare and Social Security are unconstitutional too. I see this law suit as a backdoor attack on Social Security and Medicare. Good luck seniors!"
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Too true. In fact, if the US Government wanted to, they would not have to pay Social Security to anyone. Zip! Nada! The SS payments are at the generosity of the Government. So, .... If they did stop the payments, you bet there would be a few loud and angry citizens! But the fact is, there is no guarantee to SS payments. Ask a few of the officials that know. And then keep it quiet!

Posted by: papamckie | November 22, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Unconstitutional? According to Nancy Pelosi there are no constitutional limits on Congressional mandates. I also feel certain that this is a position with which the vast majority of our nation's "legal scholars" would agree. Fortunately, there are at least 5 votes on the Supreme Court which shall beg to difer.

Posted by: tedpeters | November 22, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Failure is an orphan.

Posted by: andrew23boyle | November 22, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Thank god we won't have to cover people with with preexisting conditions. Also, kids in families that can't afford health insuranc tend to grow up to be adults who can't afford health insurance. Really, it would be kinder to let some of them die off now.

Posted by: tommytunes | November 22, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jjdenton:"ALL OF YOU MILLIONS WHO THOUGHT YOU NOW HAVE HEALTH CARE EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION, CANNOT AFFORD HEALTH CARE BECAUSE YOU LOST YOUR JOB, CAN ALLOW YOUR KIDS TO REMAIN ON YOUR HEALTH CARE POLICY UNTIL THEY ARE 26, TAKE ONE STEP FORWARD-------WHOOPS!! NOT SO FAST THERE MY FRIENDS. THE REPUBLICANS DO NOT WANT TO ALLOW YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ANY OF THESE THINGS."
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What a crock of crap you spew. Of course you are ALLOWED to have those things.. PROVIDED YOU CAN PAY FOR IT. However, it IS NOT NOR EVER WILL BE MY JOB to pay for it for you, any more than it's my job to see to it that you've planned adequately for retirement, invested wisely, or ensure that you didn't overextend your credit to what you can afford. Moron.

Posted by: moonlitesonata2 | November 22, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

The TeaParty and their helpful idiots in the Republican party continue to degrade the legitimacy and stature of the presidency, but they will wail like little girls when that lack of respect comes home to roost on the head of the next Repuiblican president. When we weaken our president, we weaken the office for all who follow - isn't what the liberals were told when they criticized King George?

Posted by: winks_lbj | November 22, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

ALL OF YOU MILLIONS WHO THOUGHT YOU NOW HAVE HEALTH CARE EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION, CANNOT AFFORD HEALTH CARE BECAUSE YOU LOST YOUR JOB, CAN ALLOW YOUR KIDS TO REMAIN ON YOUR HEALTH CARE POLICY UNTIL THEY ARE 26, TAKE ONE STEP FORWARD-------WHOOPS!! NOT SO FAST THERE MY FRIENDS. THE REPUBLICANS DO NOT WANT TO ALLOW YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ANY OF THESE THINGS. THEY ALSO WANT TO CUT YOUR MEDICARE, YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY, ETC., WHILE THEY MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES TAX CUTS. AND YOU VOTED FOR WHO?

Posted by: jjdenton | November 22, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

With any luck, Maine will offer up another Christine O'Donnell in the 2012 primary, and it'll be an easy pick up for the Dems. And while Maine may be the Alabama of New England, even they will have had enough of the republikants by 2014, so the Collins seat should be another easy pickup in 2014. It's about time those seats went Democratic.

In the meantime, the spectacle of watching the formerly reasonable ladies from Maine go full on tea-bagger out of fear will be both pathetic and highly entertaining.

Posted by: ched | November 22, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

During the debate, the Republicans offered tort reform and sale of health insurance across state lines as alternatives. Both would have required a federal mandate on the states to significantly affect health care costs nationally. Somehow the Commerce Clause would have supported these intrusions on states' rights, but the individual mandate goes too far?

Posted by: mkhenry | November 22, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

If the law is found unconstitutional, then it should also be unconstitutional for those of us that buy our health insurance to have to support, through higher premiums, those that do not buy health insurance. Repeal the law that requires hospitals to treat everyone that shows up at the emergency room door. If health insurance is a choice, let there be consequences for that choice.

Posted by: Frazil | November 22, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

To the Senators who wish to dismantle state-sponsored health care: Yours first.

Posted by: SubRosa2 | November 22, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

It is obvious what Governor Paul LePagethis thinks of Mr. Obama, but it is also obvious that he has no respect for the office of President of The United States of America. What a sad commentary on America and the people of Maine who elected this TEABAGGER!!!!
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Actually America is growing tired of a POTUS who is so out of touch with them. You can't have respect for the office or the man. I wouldn't blame America or Governor Paul LePage for Obama's faults.

Posted by: Desertdiva1 | November 22, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that if the requirement to be in the health care system is unconstitutional, then Medicare and Social Security are unconstitutional too. I see this law suit as a backdoor attack on Social Security and Medicare. Good luck seniors!

Posted by: tinyjab40 | November 22, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The law suits are frivolous political posturing and the vast majority of law scholars know this very well. The right wingers turn out to be the biggest proponents around of wasting taxpayer money on frivolous lawsuits.

Posted by: twm1 | November 22, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

with all due respect to the office of the president, the current holder of that title can go F*** himself

Posted by: Eric95TT | November 22, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Paul LePage, a combative conservative candidate who promised to tell President Obama to "go to hell," won the state's gubernatorial race in November.
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It is obvious what Governor Paul LePagethis thinks of Mr. Obama, but it is also obvious that he has no respect for the office of President of The United States of America. What a sad commentary on America and the people of Maine who elected this TEABAGGER!!!!

Posted by: OHREALLYNOW | November 22, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Good for them; and next time pass a law that's constitutional.

And be sure to get a real CBO score rather than seek a fraudulent one like the Democrats.

Posted by: hungrypirana | November 22, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Paul LePage, a combative conservative candidate who promised to tell President Obama to "go to hell," won the state's gubernatorial race in November.
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It is obvious what Governor Paul LePagethis thinks of Mr. Obama, but it is also obvious that he has no respect for the office of President of The United States of America. What a sad commentary on America and the people of Maine who elected this TEABAGGER!!!!

Posted by: OHREALLYNOW | November 22, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

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