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Posted at 11:07 AM ET, 12/17/2010

Liberals still seething after passage of tax-cut deal

By Felicia Sonmez

Liberal Democrats were fuming following the House's late Thursday night passage of the sweeping tax-cut package negotiated between President Obama and congressional Republicans, with some still smarting both at the end product and at a process that they said had left House Democrats out of the loop.

Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.), the chair of the House Rules Committee, said after the late-night vote that she was disappointed that the House "wasn't even a supporting player" in the negotiations on the deal. But she added that the relationship between House Democrats and the White House wasn't likely to be adversely affected.

"They do what we do and we do what we do," Slaughter said. "And one thing I don't want to lose is the fact that what we are is separate but equal, and I insist on being treated that way."

Slaughter also said that her feelings on the tax-cut deal's package were mixed.

"Well, I'm happy that there will be the unemployment insurance," Slaughter said. "But there's not a whole lot in that bill to make me rejoice, I must say. I did not vote for it. I voted against it because I think in America, where we have such debt, so many unemployed, to spend $25 billion on 6,600 families is an atrocity, and we should be ashamed."

Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), chair of the Congressional Black Caucus, which largely opposed the deal, said late Thursday night that the House had "done some severe damage" by passing the bill.

"This was not a fair deal," Lee said. "I'm deeply concerned about who's going to pay for this. We're talking about a $900 billion, almost a $1 trillion hit on our Federal Treasury and the deficit. You know who's going to pay. It's going to be low-income communities, the poor, the working poor, communities of color."

Only one member of the House Democratic leadership - House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) - voted for the final bill. House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.), one of four House Democratic leaders who voted against the measure, said in a statement that while he was glad the package extended middle-class tax cuts and unemployment insurance, "this measure does not create a single job or stimulate the economy in any way."

Some liberal members who were opposed to the deal and voted against it remained optimistic about how the debate over the cuts will play out in the future.

"[Republicans] argued in part that we couldn't raise taxes on millionaires because we were in a recession," Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) said. "But when this bill comes up again in 2012, we won't be in a recession. So I think we'll have a better chance of pinning on them this issue about, 'why are you protecting millionaires when in fact there's no recession?'"

Frank emphasized that liberal House Democrats did all that they could to influence the final product.

"The problem is tax cuts can be popular," Frank said. "The president undercut some of our arguments. The fact that it's a deadline; people were afraid they'd be accused of causing taxes to go up on middle-income people. Given that, I think we did as good a job as could have been done."

By Felicia Sonmez  | December 17, 2010; 11:07 AM ET
Categories:  44 The Obama Presidency  | Tags:  Barbara Lee, Congressional Black Caucus, Liberal Democrats, Louise Slaughter, Steny Hoyer  
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Comments

If you lay blame on one party. You must admit they both leave a lot to be desired, Seems the old saying is true. Power corrupts.

Posted by: martin3719 | December 21, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

so the shoe is on the other foot

same tactic, different party,

and now they are crying "it's not fair"

too bad - grab a Kleenex and grow up

Posted by: JohnSpek | December 21, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Harry Reid has done a good job. His position of leader of the Senate means he will be demonized by the opposing party. Comes with the territory, but he has handled it well, passing some very important legislation in the lame duck session. I just can't imagine what Sharon Angle would be like in the Senate, as unstable as she is.

Posted by: pgmichigan | December 21, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"...place in history?" So did Louis XIV and Marie Antoinette for their imperious arrogance and theft of the people's monies (a.k.a. taxes collected). If Sen. Reid and his minions refuse to listen to the military leaders on the ground, not those politically correct twits closeted away in the Pentagon, then he'll deserve his place in infam--er, history.

Posted by: 65tarheel | December 20, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

To all the hostile and bitterly angry posters who are spewing words of hatred toward one another out of an odd love or reverence of their favorite politicians and political parties... You may worship your political party but they do not worship you. Perhaps you'd be happier (and much less hostile) if you rejoined "we the people" instead of acting like political party groupies...

Always Remember... United we stand, Divided we fall. If you choose to divide you choose to fall.

I know times are tough but just the same I wanted to say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

Posted by: deborahjbrown | December 20, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

To all the hostile and bitterly angry posters who are spewing words of hatred toward one another out of an odd love or reverence of their favorite politicians and political parties... You may worship your political party but they do not worship you. Perhaps you'd be happier (and much less hostile) if you rejoined "we the people" instead of acting like political party groupies...

Always Remember... United we stand, divided we fall. If you choose to divide you choose to fall.

I know times are tough but just the same I wanted to say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

Posted by: deborahjbrown | December 20, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

To all the hostile and bitterly angry posters who are spewing words of hatred toward one another out of an odd love or reverence of their favorite politicians and political parties... You may worship your political party but they do not worship you. Perhaps you'd be happier (and much less hostile) if you rejoined "we the people" instead of acting like political party groupies...

Always Remember... United we stand, divided we fall. If you choose to divide you choose to fall.

I know times are tough but just the same I wanted to say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

Posted by: deborahjbrown | December 20, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

To all the hostile and bitterly angry posters who are spewing words of hatred toward one another out of an odd love or reverence of their favorite politicians and political parties... You may worship your political party but they do not worship you. Perhaps you'd be happier (and much less hostile) if you rejoined "we the people" instead of acting like political party groupies...

Always Remember... United we stand, divided we fall. If you choose to divide you choose to fall.

I know times are tough but just the same I wanted to say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

Posted by: deborahjbrown | December 20, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Harry Reid earned my respect. I was not sure until now, but he has proved his mettle. I only wish he'd shown it sooner.

Posted by: MCunningham122 | December 20, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Why does Sonmez call this a "sweeping tax cut package?" There were some tax cutting coomponents, but this was by and large a vote to keep taxes from increasing. There is no substitute for accuracy, and the article loses all credibility when you immeditately encounter a distortion of the facts in the first paragraph. Who care about a criminal like Harry Reid, and who cares about Felicia Somnez. Reid needs to go to jail, and Somnez needs to retire to a life of fiction writing.

Posted by: Prof-Dr-G | December 20, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Harry Reid has earned his place in history ... right alongside of Benedict Arnold,

as a TRAITOR to our country, who puts the interests of FOREIGN NATIONALS HERE ILLEGALLY ahead of our own.

And in so doing, Reid [as well as Obama and anyone else who likewise did so] should be PROSECUTED for his CRIMES. For federal law says it's a felony crime, punishable by 5 years prison ands $5,000 fine EACH count, to aid or abet, or to encourage or harbor, an illegal alien... EXACTLY what Reid has CRIMINALLY done by trying to slip the SCHEME Act in on us. See:

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/AidAbetUnlawfulSec8USC1324.html

We need to call for the prosecution of ALL such traitors, be they Democrat [the majority] or Republican.

Posted by: knightoneday | December 20, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Harry Reid is unhinged in my opinion. He and this administration have done more to damage this country than anyone in our nation's history. The backroom deals, the spending, are crazy. The DADT, I have no problem with. Any citizen has a right to serve this country. I just hope that they are prepared to serve along men and women who have left small children behind. 119 men on the SS Truman missed the births of their children. The tax deal gave up too much to the liberals, thank God the omnibus failed, and I pray that the START treaty does. Lord help our country.

Posted by: eaglesnest1 | December 20, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Whow, the nastiness from the conservatives seething and posting on this blog, JHC I can see they're home cleaning their guns,.

It's the Republicans that have jammed their ideology not even just greed and corruption down our throats (they're owned by FOX News and Saudi Oil and y'all know it). But then you already know it and gloat.

The Republicans got the wars they wanted, thanks to them we've been in Iraq for almost 8 years and because of their negligence we were successfully attacked by terrorists in September of 2001 remember?

How can conservatives forget who was down at Ground Zero literally giving their lives while people across the country flew flags and make believe to be patriots while hating their fellow citizens.

Keeping the tax cuts for the rich people in this country will add $700 billion to the deficit and those people have not delivered the jobs they promised.

The ones who have to generate the jobs are business people not the politicians and so far the rich businessmen who live high on the hog and have been at our expense have been laying people off and sending jobs overseas that is what Republicans do.

You WANT CRYING look at Boehner.

Posted by: davidbronx | December 20, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

I am totally ashamed of being a human being when you see what we have become when judged by the above comments. What happened to the courtious way of expressing yourself. These blogs seem to bring out what we really are, and that is dreadful.

Posted by: Ambrita | December 20, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

"They do what we do and we do what we do," Slaughter said. Huh??

Posted by: MarkE3 | December 20, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of liberal whining crap!!!
Since when does making $250,000 make anyone a millionaire?
Then, the fictionalized figures showing someone making $250,000 would get an $83,000 tax break!!!! Its hard to understand how anyone could be stupid enough to come up with that kind of reasoning and then be arrogant enough to post it!!!
I guess you really can't fix stupid...

Posted by: brooklynborn1 | December 20, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Reid's place in history is one of a TRAITOR who sold out American citizens to ILLEGAL INVADERS! You know, foreign nationals who violated our laws by invading this country and Reid want's to reward them.

He had better hope that these ILLEGALS never provoke another civil war. Guess where he'll be and his AMNESTY CONSPIRATORS! ONCE A TRAITOR, ALWAYS A TRAITOR!

Posted by: TexRancher | December 20, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Reid has certainly earned his place in history as the biggest traitor to America since Arnold betrayed the Continental Army.

Posted by: Beauspence | December 20, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Retire, Congresswoman Louise Slaughter.

It has been far too long that I've gone without representation.

You talk about being treated as equal, while you snub your liberal nose at the majority of your constituents and get reelected by the minority because you buy their votes, while scaring off the majority from voting at all.

Debra...
Journalist at "Informing Christians"

Posted by: DebraJMSmith | December 20, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

When is the left going to stop puking the tax extension adding to the deficit crap? How is letting people keep their own hard earned money adding to the deficit. It's fairly simple, less money into the government means less spending, not the same spending and having to borrow. Finally, the Republicans spent the last two years saying no to bad legislation. The recent election was pretty clear concerning Obama's policies, no more.

Posted by: davispope | December 20, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Handing out accolades over what has been done this year is a bit unwarranted. The START treaty should have been ratified in June and we are still arguing over when might be a good time to do it. The DREAM act is another one that should have been pushed with vigor, was not, and now is dead. The first legislation that would define how someone earns their way into the nation's citizenry and the Republicans knife it in the back. Those most affected will remember and the Republicans who killed this bill will see a cold day in July without a vote from them.

The time has now come to turn the tables on the Republicans and take up the position of NO to show them what it feels like to go nowhere on even the best ideas. And disregard everything said by Weeper of the House Boehner, his shadow, the Cantor, Senators Kyl, McCain, DeMint, Paul, Graham, and Cornyn, as they have not had an original thought, let alone a thought in years. Instead of doing our work, they stand in the hall talking to reporters about how much time they don't have to work on bills. If they stayed out of the hall and off of TV, they would be twice as productive and be home for Christmas, that most sacred of Christian holidays, per Kyl and DeMint.

Posted by: ronjeske | December 20, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Who knew. Obama the chameleon; divider; unwise; apologizer; the wrightist.

Posted by: Accuracy | December 20, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Who knew. Obama the chameleon; divider; unwise; apologizer; the wrightist.

Posted by: Accuracy | December 20, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

If Congress can cut spending, if it can roll back spending to FY2008 levels at a minimum, without devastating the budget for the military, then and only then should it BEGIN to discuss tax increases.

But if the bloated FY2010 budget is to be the baseline for all future spending, and any reductions from that level are off-limits according to the Democrats, then I would oppose any increases for those at any income level. I would also not be too hopeful about robust economic growth for the rest of the decade, until we get new leadership. It would not hurt for the Democrats to get new leadership, too.

Posted by: JBaustian | December 20, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

From the Republican leadership to the Liberal Democrat (especially those not returning in January), to quote your leader at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, "we won the election, get over it."
Obama is showing his true colors as nothing more than a politician looking for a deal he thinks will make him look good.

Posted by: pielusztcontractor | December 20, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

American workers have an additional thirteen months unemployment insurance while those families earning over a quarter of a million dollars will have an average tax break of eighty three thousand dollars, not for thirteen months, but for a full two years.

About 300 million poor and middle-class Americans will feast on about a 300 billion dollars ( about a thousand dollars apiece ) tax break, while six or seven million of America’s wealthiest will gag on about 600 billions. Understandably, conservatives are salivating over this long-awaited feast - which, under the Republicans - will probably become permanent.

Yes Sir, today’s Republicans - with President Obama’s help - had it right: Give the voters a few crumbs now, and later, you can walk away with the whole cake. Hopefully, if any remain, the president will negotiate for a few more crumbs next time.

Posted by: mungmung | December 19, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

An Alternative to Capitalism (which we need here in the USA)

The following link takes you to an essay titled: "Home of the Brave?" which was published by the
Athenaeum Library of Philosophy:

http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/steinsvold.htm

John Steinsvold

Posted by: John_Steinsvold | December 19, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

The wealth terrorists are demanding the destruction of America, and their lackeys support them all the way.

Posted by: WDRussell | December 19, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Rep. Lee's statement is based on sooner or later the money will have to come from somewhere and she believes that money will come from low income/middle class programs. I think that is a fair assessment considering what has happened everytime in the past something similar has happened.

Posted by: whiteha1 | December 19, 2010 2:56 AM | Report abuse

Can we deal in reality? Tax cuts whether you are for or against represent a decrease in revenue. Some would argue that a decrease in tax rates will spur an increase in tax revenue by spurring more spending, but that is not a guarantee. We have to deal with the reality that we have an outstanding debt and although tax money is initially ours, we have to pay our debts.
I have heard over and over how we don't have a revenue problem; we have a spending problem. Even if that is the case, why don't we do the responsible thing and reduce spending and then after the debt is paid down or off we decrease taxes. By doing it in reverse order we particpate in wishful thinking which is great but irresponsible from a public policy standpoint.

Posted by: whiteha1 | December 19, 2010 2:51 AM | Report abuse

""Well, I'm happy that there will be the unemployment insurance," Slaughter said. "But there's not a whole lot in that bill to make me rejoice, I must say. I did not vote for it. I voted against it because I think in America, where we have such debt, so many unemployed, to spend $25 billion on 6,600 families is an atrocity, and we should be ashamed."

Ms. Slaughter - we are not "spending" it - you just aren't getting that money in TAX REVENUE....so do what the voters said to do on November 2nd 2010...CUT SPENDING.

""This was not a fair deal," Lee said. "I'm deeply concerned about who's going to pay for this. We're talking about a $900 billion, almost a $1 trillion hit on our Federal Treasury and the deficit. You know who's going to pay. It's going to be low-income communities, the poor, the working poor, communities of color."

Ms. Lee....Again, we aren't spending the extended TAX CUT, you are not just not increasing the revenue for another two years. And since the low income communities; the poor, the working poor and the communities of color are still getting 1) the Bush Tax Cut (which took many of them OFF the tax rolls and 2) the Making Work Pay Credit - many of them who don't even PAY any taxes in the end after receiving their Tax Refund - will get additional money in their pockets over and above what they ever pay in.....

You two really want to "help the working" people of this country? Permanganate FIX the Alternative Minimum Tax which was to catch the rich but now catches those who make less than $60,000 (or is that even lower this years since the lovely folks in DC didn't index it for inflation?).

Fix the Federal Tax Code on Corporate Income Tax so that our Corporation can't park their profits overseas and offset that by parking their losses over here ...you know that that is how G.E. and Exxon don't pay any Federal Income Tax to the United States...

Stop lying to the middle class and FIX THE TAX CODE AND CUT FEDERAL SPENDING.

Posted by: LMW6 | December 18, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse


It is on such occasions that one can easily separate the class acts from the classless. I choose to point out Nancy Pelosi as as behaving like the spoiled brat she is!! What a sore loser. It will be interesting, if not dismaying to see her in action over the next two years: Revengeful, small minded and truly graceless. It is almost embarrassing to see the "leaves peel off" these arrogant self-serving artichokes. They are truly exposed.

Posted by: eriksorenson | December 18, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

IT's reported above that California Rep Barbara Lee asserts, "This was not a fair deal. I'm deeply concerned about who's going to pay for this. We're talking about a $900 billion-almost a $1 trillion-hit on our Federal Treasury and the deficit. You know who's going to pay. It's going to be low-income communities, the poor, the working poor, [and] communities of color."

Hey Barbara, did you know that the top 50% of wage earners pay more than 80% of all income taxes; and that the bottom 50% collective pay less than 3%.

Which likely means that "low-income communities, the poor, the working poor, and communities of color" would pay far LESS THAN 1%.

I'm guessing that if the world suddenly ended tomorrow, it would be your pre-conceived contention that "low-income communities, the poor, the working poor, and communities of color WERE HARDEST HIT.

Jeez, no wonder why so many members of Congress are held in such low esteem.

Posted by: mobileruss | December 18, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Faced it, the Left, liberal crowd will vote for Obama in 2012 no matter what Obama does in office. This supposed rift with the White House is media driven so Olbermann has something to talk about on his show. In 2012, he and Maddow will be voting for Obama, even thought Obama now supports the BUSH TAX CUTS!

Posted by: johnnyapplewhite123 | December 18, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

perhaps because my family has a continuous history of military service dating back to the colonial militia in my native sc i am astonished at the selfishness shown by today's leaders and citizens. at a time of american involvement in a two front war (how many children of taxpayers in my 400k income bracket serve-not many) and soaring deficits my economic peers demand tax cuts so they can "create jobs." really. what have they been doing since 03 or 07? what's different now?

Posted by: george32
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You mean you don't know? During those years of 03 and 07 the DEMOCRATS hadn't taken over the house and senate yet!!!!
That's what's different. Those years 03- 07 had unemployment rates averaging around 5.0%, with the Dims controlling all since 2008, record unemployment close to 10.0% has prevailed.
It's the Dimocraps you left wing nut, the rest of us see that, what is wrong with you?

Posted by: rickshawjim | December 18, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"[Republicans] argued in part that we couldn't raise taxes on millionaires because we were in a recession," Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) said. "But when this bill comes up again in 2012, we won't be in a recession. So I think we'll have a better chance of pinning on them this issue about, 'why are you protecting millionaires when in fact there's no recession?'"

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Let's see Bawney, if the economy is doing well in 2012 because of the tax cut extension, the Dems will raise taxes to punish the rich and redistribute their money (on stupid projects that don't help the average person, unless they are in a union).
And the most important thing to the Dems, to bring the economy to its knees again as they did in 2008 by raising taxes. Good reason to never ever vote in Dimocraps.
By 2012 all those blue states will be bankrupt and the socialists will be hiding.

Posted by: rickshawjim | December 18, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

thomasmc1957:
This Liberal will never vote for a Democrat again!"

jeffy2345:
Oh yes you will!! Who else will you you vote for? Nadar? When it's Palin vs Obama in 2012, you'll hold your nose and pull the lever for Obama.
=======================================

I won't, and I suspect thomasmc1957 won't either. I will spend the next two years with other liberals looking for an alternative. I didn't vote for Mikulski or Van Hollen this year and I won't vote for Obama in 2012. My vote is the only thing I have anymore and I'll be damned if I'm going to waste it on Democrats.

Posted by: Trakker | December 18, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I believe that had that bill not passed the Senate would not be voting on repeal of DADT today. I hate the tax cuts for the wealthy but I hate DADT more. I would rather the rich have more money if it means gay military personnel will be able to serve with dignity.

Posted by: kjgp25171 | December 18, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

perhaps because my family has a continuous history of military service dating back to the colonial militia in my native sc i am astonished at the selfishness shown by today's leaders and citizens. at a time of american involvement in a two front war (how many children of taxpayers in my 400k income bracket serve-not many) and soaring deficits my economic peers demand tax cuts so they can "create jobs." really. what have they been doing since 03 or 07? what's different now? nothing except continuing greed. as my father and uncles were fighting a 2 front war during ww2 my grandfathers were paying taxes at well over 70% and buying war bonds. as my cousins and i served in vietnam my father and uncles were not demanding tax cuts nor did i when my sons and son in law served in desert storm. as my grandsons and great nephew have servied in iraq and afghanistan my wife and i have not demanded tax cuts while others were making sacrifices. are we so unusual in that we believe in service, sacrifice and gratitude for a country which has given us so much. should we just say that because we can afford health insurance (not as good as what congress gets of course), a nice house and will help with our descendants education then to heck with everybody else. we have the most to lose if this country fails, why shouldn't we be willing to pay taxes at least at the clinton level-when we were not fighting 2 wars? as children of the greatest generation we love this country and believe we should continue to serve it as we did with our blood in vietnam and our descendants blood in iraq and afghanistan.

Posted by: george32 | December 18, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | December 17, 2010 12:46 PM
"Obama and the Democrats in Congress have proven themselves to be total FRAUDS.
This Liberal will never vote for a Democrat again!"

Oh yes you will!! Who else will you you vote for? Nadar? When it's Palin vs Obama in 2012, you'll hold your nose and pull the lever for Obama.

Posted by: jeffy2345 | December 18, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Bawney Fwank says there won't be a recession in 2012.

I'm going out right now and buying all the gold I can afford...!

Posted by: djman1141 | December 18, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I have nothing but respect for Mr. James Clyburn ( House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) Thank you sir, for looking out for America I'm all for the unemployment benefits. I'm just not sure it was an even deal and it was worth the cost? I was relieved to see a brave Representative reject it.

Posted by: jws2346 | December 18, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I have nothing but respect for Mr. James Clyburn ( House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) Thank you sir, for looking out for America I'm all for the unemployment benefits. I'm just not sure it was an even deal and it was worth the cost? I was relieved to see a brave Representative reject it.

Posted by: jws2346 | December 18, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I have nothing but respect for Mr. James Clyburn ( House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) Thank you sir, for looking out for America I'm all for the unemployment benefits. I'm just not sure it was an even deal and it was worth the cost? I was relieved to see a brave Representative reject it.

Posted by: jws2346 | December 18, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I have nothing but respect for Mr. James Clyburn ( House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) Thank you sir, for looking out for America I'm all for the unemployment benefits. I'm just not sure it was an even deal and it was worth the cost? I was relieved to see a brave Representative reject it.

Posted by: jws2346 | December 18, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

The American people had two years of full force Liberalism.

They rendered their opinion in the election a month ago.

Now Obama is trying to be Reagan instead of FDR.

Another Evil Empire bites it.

Posted by: drjcarlucci | December 18, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

The third party idea is great kcooper, but unfortunately would be crushed within the confines of our current "democratic" process.

The middle class would never be able to compete with entrenched corporate and wealthy donors within the GOP and Democratic Party. With no reform like instant-run off voting, potential voters would still see a third-party vote as a "waste", and go back to voting for the least worst candidate.

Give us public financing and IRV, and we might have a shot. Unfortunately the ruling class has solidified its might in Congress to the point where they wouldn't need to "give" us anything.

Posted by: BurtReynolds | December 18, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

I just love watching the ignorant leftists regurgitating their bile all over their hair shirts. It's cheap entertainment to watch their meaningless fulminations as they scurry about their pointless little lives. These inconsequential oxygen thieves are a waste of good carbon.

Posted by: jpost1 | December 18, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Election funding is ONE the of the big issues and spending wayyyyyyyy too much money is ANOTHER issue and allowing the Chamber of Commerce to launder political
donation money is ANOTHER issue!

How many are not getting caught?

Why are the corporate special interests not held accountable? They are not less guilty.

I say WE voters need to stop allowing congress to investigate and prosecute itself!!! When they violate laws it goes to the feds!!!

Follow the Money!

WE VOTERS need to say NO MORE special interest funding of elections!!!

Let’s keep the costs down so many others can afford to run!

Replace 95% of all elected officials every 4 years for the house and every 6 years for the Senate.

Not voting sends the wrong message and changes nothing.

Lets’s demand a new system and vote in Fair Vote America : http://www.fairvote.org/irv/
Demand a change on the next ballot.

Incumbents say NO to the voters and YES to corrupt special interest money.

We need public financing of campaigns. Citizens cannot afford special interest money campaigns for it is the citizens that get left out. Let citizens vote on this issue.
http://www.publicampaign.org/

Who would be against Public Funding? The special interest money providers plus their bought and paid for politicians!

When will the media get on the the band wagon for public financing of all elected political offices? Let’s keep the costs down so many others can afford to run!

Posted by: rheckler2002 | December 18, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

How many times does WaPo have to be told? It wasn't just "liberal" democrats that hated the tax deal. Obama, like most democrats, has no ba lls. We need to pay for the government's injection into the economy. Now we'll just keep putting tomorrow in debt so we can spend today. It's economics 101.

Posted by: DPoniatowski | December 18, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

"Helping out the Rich"

Wow, talk about helping out the rich, talk about injustice at it's worse, talk about 50 Million American's "Living in Poverty" talk about doing the wrong thing, as a registered Voter/Vet USAF, I am disgusted with this Bill, and so are alot of my "Liberal Friends and alot of American's "NO" WONDER REPUBLICANS QUIET!

........"Helping out the rich is all this bill does, and puts alot more debt on American's who can't pay the Bills they have now, while helping out the rich is injustice at it's worse!

..."Helping the rich who don't need it, won't use it, and won't spend it!

..."No Wonder American's don't vote."

Posted by: ztcb41 | December 18, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

I like that "Communities of color" comment if they are paying it is because their Welfare check is not increased. Blacks and Hispanics still cost this Nation, they take more than they give. Thank God for high payed Blacks in Sports at least their Taxes help pay for the rest that are on Welfare and the Breeding program known as Aid to depentant kids!

Posted by: blowe09 | December 18, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Barney Frank is wrong, the recession will not be over in 2012. Most people are not old enough to remember Herbert Hoover's promise "Prosperity is just around the corner". There is no evidence that anyone has a solution to the unemployment problem. For the last quarter of a century, full emplyment came from bubbles and the Fed cannot produce another bubble by printing money.

The liberals in Congress have been doormats in Congress with little influence. Until liberals have the courage to oppose the renomination of Obama they will continue to be doormats. Obama basically agrees with Republican ideology but thinks that he can make it more humane.It is an ideology based on the Ayn Rand doctrine that selfishness is good and that can't be made more humane.

Posted by: Desertstraw | December 18, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Let's not forget, when Obama announced this "tax deal" he labeled the congressional negotiators involved "bomb-throwers" and "hostage-takers."

What's that tell you about his advocacy role here?

Posted by: mobileruss | December 18, 2010 6:24 AM | Report abuse

Above its asserted: ""This was not a fair deal," Lee said. "I'm deeply concerned about who's going to pay for this. We're talking about a $900 billion, almost a $1 trillion hit on our Federal Treasury and the deficit. You know who's going to pay. It's going to be low-income communities, the poor, the working poor, communities of color."

Oh yeah? When making such a claim, I'd like for someone to present the statistics on what percentage of the federal income burden is paid by members of "low-income communities, the poor, the working poor, [and] communities of color."

I'll bet it's a great deal LESS than 1%.

The top 10% of American earners cover more than 80% of all income taxes paid and the bottom 50% of earners pay less than 3%.

Posted by: mobileruss | December 18, 2010 6:10 AM | Report abuse

Well, Obama fooled us all - is he really a republican in democrats clothing.

Well, we have to live with it, so let's live it up! Let's jeoparidze the future of multi millions of people - they don't have big homes and bigger yachts - maybe we can give them a ride - maybe not - it's still up to us. Let them eat cake@

Posted by: sedlakjf | December 18, 2010 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Quote: ""This was not a fair deal," Lee said. "I'm deeply concerned about who's going to pay for this. We're talking about a $900 billion, almost a $1 trillion hit on our Federal Treasury and the deficit. You know who's going to pay. It's going to be low-income communities, the poor, the working poor, communities of color."

Oh yeah? When making such a claim, I'd like for someone to present the statistics on what percentage of the federal income burden is paid by members of "low-income communities, the poor, the working poor, communities of color."

I'll bet its a great deal less than 1%.

The top 10% of American Taxpayer cover more than 80% of all income tax paid and the bottom 50% of earners pay less than 3%.

Posted by: mobileruss | December 18, 2010 6:05 AM | Report abuse

Quote: ""This was not a fair deal," Lee said. "I'm deeply concerned about who's going to pay for this. We're talking about a $900 billion, almost a $1 trillion hit on our Federal Treasury and the deficit. You know who's going to pay. It's going to be low-income communities, the poor, the working poor, communities of color."

Oh yeah? When making such a claim, I'd like for someone to present the statistics on what percentage of the federal income burden is paid by members of "low-income communities, the poor, the working poor, communities of color."

I'll bet it a great deal less than 1%.

The top 10% of American Taxpayer cover more than 80% of all income tax paid and the bottom 50% of earners pay less than 3%.

Posted by: mobileruss | December 18, 2010 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Liberals seething? The Democrats still control congress. They voted this tax package in, warts and all (BIG warts).

Several posts here refer to the diminishing middle class. They're preaching to the choir. Those (the wealthy) who garner greatest benefit (by far) from this package don't read this stuff. And for that matter, they don't care what happens to America's middle class. They no longer have to depend on us - they don't need us - they can go anywhere in the world to get the resources they need to further increase their fortunes. Things have changed. The wealthy needed us 'pre-global' economy - but they certainly don't need us anymore.

The Republicans voted in favor of this package .. The Democrats voted in favor of this package. Maybe now is the time for a third party - Call it the middle class party. We need a party that will look after OUR interests. We need a party that has the guts to fight for equality in negotiation as opposed to a party that's willing to give up a great amount in order to get in return, a pittance. The rich will chip away and chip away and will win in the long run (negate the middle class), but we need politicians now who will get down in the nitty-gritty and fight. We need a party that will help make sure that the afore mentioned long run turns out to be really, really long.

Posted by: kcooper35 | December 18, 2010 2:36 AM | Report abuse

Liberals like spending because a large base of their supporters pay no federal income tax. They want to protect welfare because most people on welfare are democrats. They hate those double income families who work several jobs and earn more than $250k. They want them to pay their "fair share". They refuse to understand a connection between higher tax rates and lower tax collection. Hard working Americans will just earn less and spend less. Liberals would like to believe that it will not affect the "rich" because they will just save less. I think it is time every American including those on welfare paid their "fair" share, not just the 50% of Americans who have been carrying the yoke for so long and on top of this are berated day in day out by our dear leader.

Posted by: upnorth85 | December 18, 2010 1:08 AM | Report abuse

The authoritarians of the right wing believe God annointed them to guide America from here on. In order to do that, those authoritarians who have gathered uncountable wealth have earned "merit" to dictate what happens. Among those things is exemption from taxation for the top 2% of earners. That so they, in their role of job creators, are able to imagine and establish businesses and hire Asian help inside Asian factories. It will help the unemployment situation somewhere -- not here. The GOP lives inside a land of fantasy that enables them to alter facts to fit their narratives. That way a trillion dollars in tax breaks for the undeserving rich is warranted yet a hundred million dollars or less on extension of unemployment benefits is not. You see, in the narrative, those on unemployment benefits are not sufficiently motivated to go out and look for work. Better to cut them off and provide the necessary motivation. Nevermind that Wall Street and shadow banks had a great deal to do with the lack of jobs. Blame the victims. Works for right wingers.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | December 17, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, and if you are under 30, you might want to consider emigrating. I am guessing by the time you would be considering retirement (even though you may never be able to considering how stagnant wages have been over the last decade), America won't be a very nice place to be.

Once we default on the debt, once the last manufacturing jobs and company HQ turn the lights off (or they won't have to because the antique grid failed already), once life expectancy falls for the first time in recent memory because of the high cost of health care and once we push through one of the least educated generations on record because no one can afford college...there won't be much to see here.

The Boomers are going to keep this country bent over for their own personal gain until they are in the grave. Started in 1980 and won't stop until they aren't a substantial voting bloc.

Considering the sacrifice and commitment put forth by their parents to make this country great, it really is a sad thing to witness. We can only hope they fade away before its too late.

Posted by: BurtReynolds | December 17, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

The only people happy to see America fall are the right wingers who continue to pay for tax cuts with Chinese dollars. It didn't work in the last decade and it sure won't work in th next two years. The CEOs at their luncheons will thank them though. That is all that counts right?

America became an economic machine with a 91% top tax rate. We were also able to pay for foreign wars, investment in infrastructure, Cold War nonsense, and Great Society programs. Imagine that! Economic growth and a balanced budget even with the weight of a healthy military budget. It is easy to see why the GOP of today rejects that whole scenario.

So I'll ask this. What will topple America first?

Default on national debt?

No middle class?

Failing infrastructure? Brown outs and unsafe bridges are great for business.

Dependence on oil?

Please, try and argue that either of those four things aren't nooses around Uncle Sam's neck. They might not be tight yet, but they are slowly cinching. Then tell me how your party (either of them) will fix any of them. The last decade has only proven that they don't care about any of us (unless you run a corporation). You are a fool if you think so.

Posted by: BurtReynolds | December 17, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Why should liberals, or anyone be upset? The country is facing a debt crisis, with nondiscretionary spending projected to grow through the roof (as fraction of GDP). One of the main growth areas is in service on the debt.

It seems that non-liberals refuse to accept the reality of this issue, seeing the deficit and debt only as an excuse to complain about the small 15% portion of the budget (non-defense discretionary spending) which is *not* projected to grow.

The DREAM act, for instance would cost $1.4B on-budget as estimated by the CBO, but, the CBO also estimates that these costs would be more than made up for by a rise in tax revenues (resulting from increased compliance).

Ingoring the latter, one could ask how many new measures such as the DREAM act would it take to have the deficit impact of the giant tax cut. About six hundred, or one new DREAM act sized program per week for 30 years!

Posted by: rehhahn | December 17, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Liberals seething? Not to worry. Harry Reid is STILL working on a pork bill. Even though he didn't have the votes for the omnibus super-pork bill which died yesterday, he is now trying for a pork bill covering only part of the 2011 fiscal year. This is instead of another continuing resolution to prevent a government shut down. Harry is determined to keep the deficit huge, so liberals can rejoice!

Posted by: allamer1 | December 17, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how the Liberals all at once are so worried about the debt(that will last until Saturday when they try to pass the "Dream Act.)

As shown before in history when taxes are cut or left in place, consumers regain some confidence, small and big businesses start to plan for growth which means jobs will start popping very soon.

Americans should not under any circumstances have to pay higher taxes - the Government needs to shrink (alot) and someone has to place our country on a very strict budget.

Posted by: tboca | December 17, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

If liberals are seething then the world is right.

Posted by: gun313 | December 17, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Liberals wouldn't know fair if it bit them in the butt. As to shared sacrifice, how about those able-bodied welfare folks getting off THEIR butts and contributing something to the country instead of sucking from it teat. We will spend about a trillion dollars this year on means tested welfare.

Posted by: chase30418 | December 17, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Makes me happy to see the left angry. Makes a nice change from their smug satisfaction at the decline of the USA.

They are so few now. Perhaps the Smithsonian can take them in.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | December 17, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Liberals see the future and it is a disaster for America. We will live on borrowed Chinese money for a few years, until only the rich can afford any extras in America. Then, if you have visited Mexico or the Caribbean, with their high-walled houses and small yards, you have an idea of what is coming. The mythical 'Pottersville' of Capra's "It's a Wonderful Life" will come into being in every American town.

It is a sad day for America.

But, most Americans do not know or understand that yet.

We used to be a country that understood shared sacrifice.

Now, we are a culture of greed and selfishness.

Posted by: bert8 | December 17, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

This was not a fair deal," Lee said. "I'm deeply concerned about who's going to pay for this. We're talking about a $900 billion, almost a $1 trillion hit on our Federal Treasury and the deficit. You know who's going to pay. It's going to be low-income communities, the poor, the working poor, communities of color."
WHO THE HELL VOTED THIS WOMEN INTO OFFICE AND WHAT REPORTER WOULD NOT FOLLOW UP THIS ASININE REMARK WITH A QUESTION. FOR INSTANCE, THEY DON'T PAY THEY RECEIVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY WHICH IS EARNED AND THEN CONFISCATED DON'T THEY? @#$%$ YOU!!

Posted by: joeortega4 | December 17, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Helpless - "We the People" are now totally impotent. The GOP Supreme Court has given our election power to The Chamber of Commerce and Unidentified Corporate (and even Foreign) groups. A SINGLE Republican can block Presidential appointments, indefinitely (GOP has currently done this more than any previous Congress), 60 Vote "majority" required to pass legislation, etc., etc.

NOW Wall Street Bonuses even Greater than Last Year - or ANY past Year!
Today SEIU has released a new report, Big Banks Bonus Bonanza .

From the report:
"Despite unleashing havoc on the global economy, Wall Street is once again getting ready to pay astronomical bonuses this year. The nation's six largest banks alone are on track to pay their bankers a staggering $143 billion in bonuses, benefits and compensation ("bonus and compensation"), more than enough to fill the $130 billion2 total budget gap for all 50 states in FY 2011. If Wall Street pumped this money directly into the economy instead of paying it to its bankers, it could create 3.6 million new jobs, and lower the unemployment rate by 2.3 percent. Bank of America tops the list, with $35 billion in bonuses and compensation set aside for its bankers.


P.S. You should look at their tax breaks in the report . . . Wonder how much their kids will inherit, with $143,000,000,000 bonuses EACH YEAR? We will now be forced by the GOP sure to eliminate the Estate Tax .....Although these Wall Street Amoral Criminals are the main beneficiaries.

Posted by: lufrank1 | December 17, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

the conservatives keep saying that liberal are the ones spending. But, it was clinton who left a surplus while Bush spent like a frat boy along with his republican congress. Put us in a deep hole. and then blew up the economy.
Obama had no choice but, to spend to halt the bleeding from bush's inept presidency and economy.
Those reckless tax cuts for the rich help push us in a trillion hole.
The conservatives need to stop putting their heads in the sand and pretending it never happened. Stop playing fantasy games.
It's time for them to grow up and face reality.
Including their hypocritical calls for liberals to accept the results of Nov. election??? As I recall, the last two years has been a two temper tantrum and childish fit over losing in 08.
I hardly think they have room to scold.
They also need to decide if they are Christians as they maintain and all for 'family values' or not.
Their hate and blaming the unemployed and poor is in direct conflict with the teachings of Jesus and goes against his warnings to help and understand.
And their protection and excuses to do whatever for the ultra wealthy and money changers.
As I recall, it also goes against the teachings to excuse the very wealthy and hate the poor. Blame the poor and unemployed and champion the moneychangers and they call themselves Christains and all about family.
Wonder how you on the right will explain this when you meet your maker someday....

Posted by: vwcat | December 17, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Liberals seethe? That's what happens when you attempt class warfare. America doesn't believe in it.

You want taxes to go up? Then raise taxes on *everyone*. Don't pretend that the cost of the rest of the tax rate extension wasn't much larger. Don't insulate yourselves from the crazy spending increases we have signed up for. You want more, make everyone pay. We already pay by percentages, so rich people pay vastly more. Many of these people the liberals are whining about are paying several times the average income just in federal taxes.

There is no way it's just 6,600 families either. What BS. This would hit a lot of two income professional families that happen to live in high cost of living areas. Meanwhile, the rich in Kansas get off easy.

In spite of all of this, I do deplore this law, because taxes need to go up for everyone until people start to accept that we really can't afford all of the social security, medicare, medicaid, and military spending we've signed up for. We need to admit we can't afford to fight two wars and keep Korea safe. We need to admit we're paying too much for end of life care and bring in the death panels. We need to admit that the people retiring as part of the baby boom generation shirked the responsibility of making sure the government put their money aside (in a lockbox?) for their retirement, meaning their social security benefits are underfunded.

Not much left to do but watch this whole thing fall apart.

Posted by: staticvars | December 17, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

No worries by the liberals. Nancy will go get another load of botox shot in her face along with mor hair recoloring. Harry will simply go back to Nevada and crawl into a bottle. No probem.

Posted by: gone2dabeachgmailcom | December 17, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama did his "Colie Dance" and danced around the Bush era tax cut extension. He and his political party are almost as big a joke as the "PAGO Act" that was passed to prevent most of our debt difficulties. The millionaires and billionaires will use their tax savings to donate it to his reelection in 2012.

Posted by: Tom89 | December 17, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't see why it would just be "liberals". Do the TEA Party folks really believe the Reagan B.S. about Supply Side Economics down to the last man/woman? Do they really think there is enough spending to cut that they could balance the budget without raising taxes?

Posted by: Fiscal-Conservative | December 17, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

It is good that liberals act like liberals. It show Obama is a centrist and helps pull the perceived “center” to the left.

Posted by: erik1 | December 17, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Liberals seethe because they bathe irregularly and smell bad.

Sorry, that's just a fact.

Posted by: thebump | December 17, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Woo hoo! The republicans won! $700 billion in lost tax revenue afforded to the super-rich - yippeee!

Now they'll trickle down some jobs same as they did in December 2008! Weeeeeeee!

La la la la la la la la la - that Wall Street Journal article about the unemployment crisis in December 2008, when we bled over 500,000 jobs in that one month alone was just some "liberal" media stuff - la la la la la la la la la la.

Woopeeeeee! We won!

Clap hands, Republicans. Ooops - you missed.

Posted by: jKO2010 | December 17, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Aaarrgghhh! It makes me crazy to hear "politicians" refer to themselves "spending" money if they do not pass a bill to take the money away from someone. I was about 30 and had been a fairly liberal democrat all my life from several generations of democrats, when I heard popular talk-show host, Mike Douglas, introduce Hubert Humphrey as "the most generous" senator in the senate. I thought - "noooo, that is not right! You aren't being 'generous' voting to spend everyone else's money for ANY cause - generous is spending your own wealth for whatever you consider worthwhile."

Why don't all of those "willing" Billionairs/multi-millionaires get together and send in whatever extra they feel they should be taxed - "are you listening Buffett?" - to the federal government, who they obviously feel does the best job of spending it?!

Where does Reid get $100,000,000 to give Louisiana for a vote; where does the administrtation get one billion dollars to lend Brazil for Off-shore drilling; where does Pelosi have the money to pay for hundreds to fly to Denmark for a weather boondoggle; Why do these people have access to our money with no accountability . . . and why don't we care more - all of us??!!!

Posted by: spikebluer | December 17, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

From checkers to chess

Here is an analogy that I believe most people can understand:

Life in the United States used to be like a checkers game. People were given an equal opportunity to succeed, and if they played fairly and wisely, they could advance and win.

The Bush Administration, aided by the Republicans, changed the game. Life in the United States is now a chess game with a hierarchy of important people. They have decided that the majority of people are pawns, expendable and subject to the whims of the upper classes.

Our American Democracy has been defeated. “All men are created equal” has been deposited into the dust bin of history.

In the HBO series, The Wire, there is a scene where the game of chess is explained in stark reality. The following clip uses the language of the streets, so be advised. Consider also the last words in the clip. It may give some clues to what might happen when an oligarchy holds the power.

To see the clip: http://massachusettsobserver.blogspot.com/2010/12/from-checkers-to-chess.html

Posted by: Administrator1 | December 17, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

From checkers to chess

Here is an analogy that I believe most people can understand:

Life in the United States used to be like a checkers game. People were given an equal opportunity to succeed, and if they played fairly and wisely, they could advance and win.

The Bush Administration, aided by the Republicans, changed the game. Life in the United States is now a chess game with a hierarchy of important people. They have decided that the majority of people are pawns, expendable and subject to the whims of the upper classes.

Our American Democracy has been defeated. “All men are created equal” has been deposited into the dust bin of history.

In the HBO series, The Wire, there is a scene where the game of chess is explained in stark reality. The following clip uses the language of the streets, so be advised. Consider also the last words in the clip. It may give some clues to what might happen when an oligarchy holds the power.

To see the clip: http://massachusettsobserver.blogspot.com/2010/12/from-checkers-to-chess.html

Posted by: Administrator1 | December 17, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

You know who's going to pay. It's going to be low-income communities, the poor, the working poor, communities of color."

Well Ms Lee, if they didn't have so many kids, they wouldn't be poor....maybe they should START paying some taxes...

Posted by: mark0004 | December 17, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

So, it looks like the term "liberal" is moving up in the world - since rational people are now being given this name.

Last time *I* did *my* research, it looked to me as though 36 Republicans along with 112 Democrats did not approve of this tax bill.

John Birch Society lunatics have over-run the Republican party. and they are always acting drunk, but what's the excuse for this headline? I guess the people who voted for these "fiscally prudent" officious nutjobs (who just "afforded" billions in lost tax revenue to the super-rich) are just on a bender this time of year (like John Boehner is all year long judging by how often he cries and displays histrionic behavior and poor judgment), including some journalists, evidently.

Posted by: jKO2010 | December 17, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

The libs need to put on their big boy and big girl pants and deal with the fact that they LOST IN NOVEMBER 2011 -- and LOST BIG!!

They need to come to the realization that they are not mini dictators within their own little fiefdoms!

They also need to look at the leader they selected -- who was the face of their historic LOSS!!

Posted by: wheeljc | December 17, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

WillSeattle wrote:
Every time you phone me asking for more money, I'm going to say "After you raided Social Security to give Hedge Fund CEOs a tax cut?"
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When government is "in bed" with big business it's called crony capitalism, which has nothing to do with the free market. Crony capitalism is run by tyrannts and thieves, not respectable government. My point is...Republicans and Democrats are guilty of running a crony capitalized, socialized and now 1/3 nationalized government. Is it no wonder we're in deep!

Posted by: ssol4569 | December 17, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"the relationship between House Democrats and the White House wasn't likely to be adversely affected" - well, maybe so...but we'll see how this affects those that actually voted for Obama in 2008 - I suspect his "base" has permanently shrunk and there are more than a few folks that, who would have never considered supporting anyone other than Obama in 2012, are now thinking about that.

Posted by: MilwGonzo | December 17, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Benson wrote:
The middle class will eventually be asked to pay for these tax cuts.
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Hellllooooooo!! They're not tax cuts, the rates will stay the same. If there are tax cuts, please inform us what was in place and cut.

Posted by: ssol4569 | December 17, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I have a Christmas Gift for the DNC, DSCC, and DCCC.

Every time you phone me asking for more money, I'm going to say "After you raided Social Security to give Hedge Fund CEOs a tax cut?"

And then hang up.

You are dead to me.

Posted by: WillSeattle | December 17, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

mikie44 wrote:
My heart breaks for all these poor souls who have to try and get by on $2700,00 a day.
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Why are the well-to-do taxpayers held responsible for overspending on the governments part? Oh...Re-distribution of wealth you say? So would that same explanation explain why they stole our "old age insurance" too? Did they pass out our hard earned Social Security money to the people who didn't work also? Good grief! Bunch of thieves! And the government has Americans at one anothers throat for their theft and straight up addiction to spending & control! "Socialism doesn't work because you eventually run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher

Posted by: ssol4569 | December 17, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama sold out the middle class.

This is like a casino loaning your entire roulette table money to gamble, but putting it on your tab.

Tomorrow, the government will claim that they're broke, and want to collect from the middle class taxpayer.

The middle class will eventually be asked to pay for these tax cuts.

Posted by: Benson | December 17, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

greeenmnts, or were you making a statement of how to balance the budget in the future. It's more likely that incomes taxes are raised than your payroll taxes. It's far more likely that spending is cut then any tax is raised.

Posted by: cprferry | December 17, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

The way the Extremist Republican party took the entire congressional agenda hostage for an EXTRA TAX CUT for their Billionaire Overlords proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Teabagger arseclowns (the middle-class Republican base nuts) are some of the dumbest fracking people on the face of the earth.


These Teabag morons are so damn illiterate that they don't have a clue as to how they are nothing more than tools for the corporate oligarchy. I'm willing to bet that everytime one of these rich greedhead Wall Steet types sees one of these middle-class Teabagger dumarses yapping about how gov't jobs, unions, etc are supposedly causing all of this countries financial problems they probably sit back, light up a cigar and laugh their fracking arses off.


And I can't say that I blame them. They probably can't believe their good fortune of actually having these Teabagger inbreeds running around in the streets doing all of their dirty work for them.


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Posted by: DrainYou | December 17, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Democrats, listen up, as Obama tells those on the right: The election is two years away and no one will remember the tax deal, especially if the economy perks up.

Posted by: 2012frank | December 17, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Democrats, listen up, as Obama tells those on the right: The election is two years away and no one will remember the tax deal, especially if the economy perks up.

Posted by: 2012frank | December 17, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

greeenmtns, your payroll taxes are actually cut by 2 percentage points.

Posted by: cprferry | December 17, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

greeenmtns, your payroll taxes are actually cut by 2 percentage points.

Posted by: cprferry | December 17, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

As Otto von Bismarck supposedly said - politics is the art of the possible. When the Republicans are holding most of the cards and don't seem to mind being totally irresponsible, it seems to me that the President did as well as he possibly could have. Seems to me the goal is to avoid the mistake that FDR made in 1936 and do whatever is possible to avoid a double-dip recession. I must admit that if I were in the House of Representatives I'd be mighty steamed about the horrendous mess that is today's Senate. Rules there need to be changed for sure.

Posted by: Joel100 | December 17, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

For those confused in thinking this was a tax cut, it wasn't.
They we're not able to raise taxes, it's a wash and everything stays the same as it has for the past 10 years.

The other bit of confusion on the "6600" people making (insert fictional dollar figure a year) being the target of the tax increases.These people have said over and over and over again that these mythical 6600 people would kick in another 25,000 beans and that them selfishly not doing so would "keep" 200 Billion dollars from the government over 10 years?
The numbers don't add up, they don't "NEARLY" add up.Say those 6600 people kicked in 50,000 (double what Pelosi and crew keep rambling on about), over ten years that is a measly 3.3 Billion.Hence, 6600 people my rear end.This out going Congress is the biggest pack of lying thieves to ever be assembled in one place.

Posted by: Drider | December 17, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

For those complaining about the 'tax cuts for the rich', is it just a case of envy? You need to look at the total amount of taxes paid in, instead of the rates. When the Bush 2003 tax cuts went into effect, the top 1% then paid 1% greater share of taxes as a group than they had before the tax cuts.

And the statement that the $800 B would be paid by the poor on these tax cuts, then that means that the Omnibus deal recently defeated and cost $1.2T would have been paid by the poor also?

And the total tax cut package for 10 years was $3.9T, yet no one ever mentions that $3.2T was what the tax cut for those under $250,000 would cost. But the $700B was the 10 year 'cost' for the 'wealthy' and this bill extends it only 2 years.

Posted by: oletad | December 17, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

When my grandkids ask when our country became a Third World nation, I will point back to this day.

And the looting of the middle class Social Security reserves to give the CEOs of Hedge Funds a top 15 percent federal tax rate.

Very very bad idea.

Posted by: WillSeattle | December 17, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

For those confused in thinking this was a tax cut, it wasn't.
They we're not able to raise taxes, it's a wash and everything stays the same as it has for the past 10 years.

The other bit of confusion on the "6600" people making {insert fictional dollar figure a year} being the target of the tax increases.These people have said over and over and over again that these mythical 6600 people would kick in another 25,000 beans and that them selfishly not doing so would "keep" 200 Billion dollars from the government over 10 years?
The numbers don't add up, they don't "NEARLY" add up.Say those 6600 people kicked in 50,000 (double what Pelosi and crew keep rambling on about), over ten years that is a measly 3.3 Billion.Hence, 6600 people my rear end.This out going Congress is the biggest pack of lying thieves to ever be assembled in one place.

Posted by: Drider | December 17, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

For those confused in thinking this was a tax cut, it wasn't.
They we're not able to raise taxes, it's a wash and everything stays the same as it has for the past 10 years.

The other bit of confusion on the "6600" people making {insert fictional dollar figure a year} being the target of the tax increases.These people have said over and over and over again that these mythical 6600 people would kick in another 25,000 beans and that them selfishly not doing so would "keep" 200 Billion dollars from the government over 10 years?
The numbers don't add up, they don't "NEARLY" add up.Say those 6600 people kicked in 50,000 (double what Pelosi and crew keep rambling on about), over ten years that is a measly 3.3 Billion.Hence, 6600 people my rear end.This out going Congress is the biggest pack of lying thieves to ever be assembled in one place.

Posted by: Drider | December 17, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

25 billion on 6600 families? How come that's the first time I've heard this number. The Dems should have been shouting it from the rooftops.

Posted by: scientist1 | December 17, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Despite the absurd propaganda that paints all Democrats as "liberal" the truth is they are mostly unprincipled just like the Republicans, and will bow & scrape for the ultra rich.

Posted by: Jihm | December 17, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I've worked hard, lived a frugal lifestyle and invested wisely! I've paid tax on every dollar and now idiots like Anthony Weiner tell me it's not my children's money. Anthony I have bad news for you; I'll follow you around and spent every dime I have making sure you are never elected to another political office, before I'll ever give any more to pay your congressional salary! You are out of touch Weiner, I want you to pledge every dime you make as a Congressional Representative to those less fortunate than you sir!

Posted by: 312capri | December 17, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't matter whether you're Democrat, Republican, Independent, liberal, conservative or whatever. We still have 2 wars we've "financed" by tax cuts. Lyndon Johnson's "guns and butter" didn't work out. I don't believe Bush's guns and tax cuts is working so well either, but maybe we will be the first society to get something for nothing. Don't count on it though.

Posted by: BuddyK | December 17, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

You have to wonder about the mathematical capacity of somebody who thinks that confiscating slightly less from taxpayers — let alone merely keeping tax rates where they've been for years — somehow adds to the deficit.

Memo to moonbats: One thing, and one thing only, accounts for a deficit: Spending too much.

Posted by: thebump | December 17, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

It's not a tax cut for everyone. With the payroll tax holiday replacing the Making Work Pay (MWP) tax credit, low-income wage earners actually stand to see an increase in their tax obligation.

Workers making less than $20,000 per year (and families who earn less than $40,000) will get less of a tax cut under the payroll tax holiday than under MWP.

For example, a single earner making $10,000 would have gotten a $400 tax credit under MWP. The same work will now only see $200 in tax savings under the payroll tax holiday.

All this while bleeding an estimated $120 billion out of Social Security. To repay that loss, we'd need - ohmygosh - a tax increase. That's assuming the holiday isn't extended or made permanent - remember that the Bush tax cuts were originally intended to be temporary, too.

Posted by: JohninMpls | December 17, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

The progressive/marxists "seethe." This is so typical.

Yesterday polls showed that 69% of Americans wanted the tax bill to PASS. So the stupid marxists, led by Pelosi and Clyburn, voted AGAINST the tax bill.

Now you see why they are no longer in control of congress as of Jan 3. They are too stupid to even BE in congress. They pay no attention to what Americans want. Have not paid attention for 4 years.

Good riddance. Pelosi and Clyburn are silenced.

Posted by: annnort | December 17, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Yo libs, just take a few valiums, have a cold beer and suck it up. The Demos had majorities in both houses, plus the kid in the Oval Office, and the results: "woe is me, caterwauling, and pants wetting." Barbara Lee, D-Ca. should be more concerned about Oakland, Ca., the 5th ranked city of violent crime in the U.S. Have a happy Christma season, libs as 2011 will give your more heartburn.

Posted by: nmg3rln | December 17, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

The libs would just continue to vote for tax increases to start programs that require a continued tax burden.

Posted by: FLvet | December 17, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm a liberal. Get over it and get ready for two of the worst years in recent American history as the modern day version of the Know Nothing Party, the Tea Party, hits town in January. A year from now we will be looking at the good old days of the lame duck Congress of December 2010.

Posted by: interactingdc | December 17, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

It's not a tax cut. It's a continuation of the existing tax structure.

Posted by: cr8oncsu | December 17, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

If people put their ideology aside and look at facts, I know that's a novel idea, they will see that this latest capitulation by Obama hurts more people than it helps. For instance I gross $13,000 a year. I can just live on that. My payroll taxes will go UP as a result of this tax deal for the wealthy. Crazy eh?

Posted by: greeenmtns | December 17, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Democrats in office had 18 months to pass tax policy and failed to act they need to look in the mirror and be mad at themselves for not doing a better job.

Posted by: agarnett1000 | December 17, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Webb and Warner should be ashamed that they voted for this bill. Should either of them make it through a primary I will do nothing to support their candidacy.

Posted by: zackool | December 17, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Well the honeymoon is over. Now Democrats know that Obama is all talk and no action.

I hope that North Korea does not decide to play chicken with Obama the way that McConnell did.

Posted by: JamesCaroll | December 17, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Liberals need to understand that they were historically repudiated in November and that their core beliefs have been rejected by the masses. Tax increases are just not acceptable right now.

Posted by: TheLastBrainLeft | December 17, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

To those confused about why the bill is in fact a "tax cut":

The Bush-era TEMPORARY tax breaks for millionaires were sold to the American public on the premise that they would not increase the long term deficit. This conclusion was based on a CBO analysis, which in turn was based on the TEMPORARY tax breaks expiring as scheduled at the end of this year. If the CBO had analyzed permanent tax cuts, they would have concluded that they would, in fact, increase the deficit, and they would never have gotten through Congress.

The Republicans made the cynical calculation that they would be able to pretend the expiration of scheduled TEMPORARY tax breaks were in fact a tax increase, when the time came due. Looks like they fooled many (sigh.)

Posted by: wrybread
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Nice explanation, wrybread. It amazes me how many folks just arent' getting this!

Posted by: seaduck2001 | December 17, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry but the economy will not get better until obama and obamacare are gone.

Posted by: COOLCHILLY | December 17, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

to THEBRAVE1 - feel free to write the check, nothing's stopping you.

Posted by: TxSaintFan | December 17, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm happily retired, and prosperous enuf not to need my Social Security, and since my spouse is still employed with a fabulous health care plan, I don't even need Medicare. My home has a nice 4.25% 30 year fixed mortgage (just did a re-fi to take advantage of the low rates), my mutual funds and stocks are doing great. I certainly have no complaints about getting a nice extension of those tax cuts I didn't want or need in the first place and am not seething at all.

But I do think this tax bill is terrible for our economy and for the country. Back in 2008 and again in 2010, I tried to do the right thing for kids who will have to pay back the debt, and for those in this country who have less than I, when I voted for Obama and Democrats. Apparently electing Democrats didn't matter at all, since they are all acting just like Republicans.

Posted by: smeesq | December 17, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

It's not just liberals.

Anybody who can see that borrowing money to give to the wealthy is kind of stupid.

People are going to be annoyed when they figure out that this free money isn't free.

Posted by: Benson | December 17, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

so this guy owns a baseball team for 37 years ... makes multi-millions in the process as THE TEAM IS SUPPORTED BY CITIZENS ... his multi-millions is taxed he lives a "comfortable" life ... the guy dies his kids cant afford the inheritance tax and must liquidate ...
this is good or bad ?
in a sense with a reasonable tax rate on the inheritance tax THE PEOPLE collect on teh wealth accumulated off of their participation in supporting the team ..
or should we the people not tax this wealth ?
As we know we are not capitalist since we rewarded failure with the bailouts of the ENTIRE WESTERN WORLD ...
tax cuts for the rich, raising social security age, cutting cost of living increases to people averaging 75K ...
trickle down thinking that the rich need help before the MAJORITY of the people in this country is sick ... in light of HISTORICALLY HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT ...
let's just kick this debt down the road to the future generations ... instead of ...
what is the term ...
NOTHING IF OFF THE TABLE ...
except of course ... have the elites take any kind of hit ... it is more like ...
let';s do what we can so they stay entrenched ...
you know ... having purchased our Politicians and Media ...
no wonder WikiLeaks is viewed as a threat ...cause any more towards
"reinvent[ing] our civilization. The major institutions of the modern period, including that of agriculture and religion and education and economics, need to be re-imagined within an intelligent, self-organizing, living Universe, so that instead of degrading the Earth's life systems, humanity might learn to join the enveloping community of living beings in a mutually enhancing manner.
!!Transparency Now!!

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | December 17, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

U Bet we are! This is the most recent, but not even close to the first, time that Obama and Reid have knelt with lips puckered in search of the behinds of Olympia Snowe and Traitor Joe. He decided to stand up to ME and people like me? Okay, it just cost him a vote, some money and volunteer time; he better hope some of those blue dogs he's courting will not only vote for him but also give him time and money. His former base is likely going to focus on local elections in 2012 and he'll have to hire all his worker bees instead of getting them for free. He better hope that the Big Banks and Insurance companies he appeased give him enough money to replace our missing contributions and enough to pay for all our missing volunteer time. No difference in any way that matters to his base between Obama and say Romney. Only if Carribou Barbie should somehow get the nomination will Obama even get my vote in the general -- otherwise, that vote will go to any real Dem who opposes him in the primaries.

Posted by: dolph924 | December 17, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

To those confused about why the bill is in fact a "tax cut":

The Bush-era TEMPORARY tax breaks for millionaires were sold to the American public on the premise that they would not increase the long term deficit. This conclusion was based on a CBO analysis, which in turn was based on the TEMPORARY tax breaks expiring as scheduled at the end of this year. If the CBO had analyzed permanent tax cuts, they would have concluded that they would, in fact, increase the deficit, and they would never have gotten through Congress.

The Republicans made the cynical calculation that they would be able to pretend the expiration of scheduled TEMPORARY tax breaks were in fact a tax increase, when the time came due. Looks like they fooled many (sigh.)

Posted by: wrybread | December 17, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

After two years of getting whatever they wanted, while trashing the moderates and conservatives, the liberals have finally had to do what Americans wanted instead of continuing to push their socialist agenda down everyone's throat. They have refused to negotiate or even discuss legislation until now....and from now on the Tea Party and the GOP will have the upper hand!
Posted by: Realist201
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It amazes me to learn that what the Tea Partiers really wanted was $700 BILLION in tax cuts to the wealthiest 2% of the population.

Posted by: seaduck2001 | December 17, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I love reading the rants from liberals that they will "never vote for another Democrat again". Where are these crybabies going to go? Hope they stick to their guns and refrain from voting since that will make it easier to oust Barrie and the rest of the Pelosi crowd who obviously didn't get the message.

Posted by: Cactus09 | December 17, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I love reading the rants from liberals that they will "never vote for another Democrat again". Where are these crybabies going to go? Hope they stick to their guns and refrain from voting since that will make it easier to oust Barrie and the rest of the Pelosi crowd who obviously didn't get the message.

Posted by: Cactus09 | December 17, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

You can not fix stupid and fortunately for marxist Democrats, there are enough mentally ill nuts running around who will actually believe that keeping the current tax structure is actually a "tax-cut".

No wonder these fools and idiots have to rely on the communists to steal other's peoples money and give them "free gubermint goodies"????

Liberalism is a mental illness.

Posted by: LogicalSC | December 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

When two Republicans are in a race a Republican wins every time(Truman)

Posted by: slim21 | December 17, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

What a crock! Why is it a "liberal" responsibility to see to it that unemployment is extended? Are all the recipients of this extra cash Democrats? I doubt it. How many are Democrats, how many are Republicans and how many of all these segments actually vote? This is a big deal for all except those making a million a year. A million a year works out to 83,000 a month. My heart breaks for all these poor souls who have to try and get by on $2700,00 a day.

Posted by: mikie44 | December 17, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Gee I thought the Demo's controlled the house, senate and White House? If the liberals are seething it must be at themselves, which is all good.

Posted by: 2012anewstart | December 17, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

If progressives are angry, it must be a good deal for America.

Posted by: landfall23 | December 17, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama and the Democrats in Congress have proven themselves to be total FRAUDS.
This Liberal will never vote for a Democrat again!

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | December 17, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Senator Dick Durbin is delusional, he is wacko. To say that this was a big win for Obama is absurd. Obama is a Marxist who love high taxes, he is crying tonight. It has been the leftist, socialist Dems in Congress that have destroyed the economy over the last two years.

Posted by: walterndebby | December 17, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

@THEBRAVE1,

Nothing is stopping you from writing a check out for the increase in your taxes that would have occurred had the tax cuts not been extended. Just make the check out to "U.S. Treasurer" and put it in the mail to the IRS. You're completely free to do that, and as you claim that you're willing to pay more in taxes, I expect that you will.

Posted by: WashingtonDame | December 17, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Liberals "seething" and "whining"? The Devil you say! Gonna be a good year.

Posted by: luca_20009 | December 17, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

up to 2012, obama and the dems are still in charge...
if things don't approve, it's all on them...
lol...

Posted by: DwightCollins | December 17, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow! To change health care, which left unchanged would bankrupt us in a decade or so, took over a year and the republicans insisted it pay for itself and they voted "No" anyway.

To keep the Bush tax cuts, which left unchanged will add $3.4 trillion to the deficit, took a week and the Republicans would not consider unemployment insurance for those without work, without tax cuts for the wealthy.

Having received the tax cuts, I guess the only item remaining on Republican agenda is to obstruct anything President Obama proposes; as the Senate Minority Leader just stated.

Posted by: shadowmagician | December 17, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

The only good liberal is a seething liberal.

You've got to love this particularly idiotic quote: "We're talking about....almost a $1 trillion hit....You know who's going to pay. It's going to be low-income communities, the poor, the working poor..."

How can you be "poor" if you've got a trillion dollars?

Posted by: thebump | December 17, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Tax cuts deal? My taxes are being cut?

I thought it was just that my income tax was not going up. But, we call it a "tax cut". Hmmm... must be an Obama thing.

Posted by: rogersnowden | December 17, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Tax cuts deal? My taxes are being cut?

I thought it was just that my income tax was not going up. But, we call it a "tax cut". Hmmm... must be an Obama thing.

Posted by: rogersnowden | December 17, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama's a jerk who set the Democrats up on this one. How could you go behind everybody's back on this and make a deal? Then, he had a nerve to say that they'd get around to falling in line. WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR, OBAMA? It sure as hell isn't US. I can't wait for 2012 to get here. I don't care who runs, I hope he gets defeated thoroughly, as a former supporter and current liberal. What a creep!

Posted by: fbutler1 | December 17, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

They should have allowed all the tax cuts to expire! I for one was willing to pay higher taxes now than later. Let's not be fooled, the debts to China and Saudi Arabia will have to be paid. The only questions are when and how much. The more we borrow the longer it will take to get us out of debt. Imbeciles in Washington playing games with the lives of Americans! I blame both parties for this. Let us not forget what the wisest king that ever lived said in Proverbs 22:7

"The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender."

Our leaders appear to have some type of desire to have the American people become and remain slaves to foreigners. SICKENING!!!

Posted by: THEBRAVE1 | December 17, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

They should have allowed all the tax cuts to expire! I for one was willing to pay higher taxes now than later. Let's not be fooled, the debts to China and Saudi Arabia will have to be paid. The only questions are when and how much. The more we borrow the longer it will take to get us out of debt. Imbeciles in Washington playing games with the lives of Americans! I blame both parties for this. Let us not forget what the wisest king that ever lived said in Proverbs 22:7

"The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender."

Our leaders appear to have some type of desire to have the American people become and remain slaves to foreigners. SICKENING!!!

Posted by: THEBRAVE1 | December 17, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

After two years of getting whatever they wanted, while trashing the moderates and conservatives, the liberals have finally had to do what Americans wanted instead of continuing to push their socialist agenda down everyone's throat. They have refused to negotiate or even discuss legislation until now....and from now on the Tea Party and the GOP will have the upper hand!

Posted by: Realist201 | December 17, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

They should have allowed all the tax cuts to expire! I for one was willing to pay higher taxes now than later. Let's not be fooled, the debts to China and Saudi Arabia will have to be paid. The only questions are when and how much. The more we borrow the longer it will take to get us out of debt. Imbeciles in Washington playing games with the lives of Americans! I blame both parties for this. Let us not forget what the wisest king that ever lived said in Proverbs 22:7

"The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender."

Our leaders appear to have some type of desire to have the American people become and remain slaves to foreigners. SICKENING!!!

Posted by: THEBRAVE1 | December 17, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I do hope the liberals continue to "seeth and fume." Maybe they will warm up this incredibly frigid winter we are suffering through so far.

Posted by: jibe | December 17, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

AHHHHH ... too bad, so sad for my liberal friends ... shame you won't have all that money to spend in order to keep up your friends and buy your next election.

Posted by: Viennacommuter1 | December 17, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

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