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Posted at 2:50 PM ET, 12/ 6/2010

Retiring Sen. George Voinovich to oppose any extension of Bush-era tax cuts

By Felicia Sonmez

Ohio Republican Sen. George Voinovich is planning to oppose legislation that extends any of the Bush-era tax cuts, becoming the first senator to state his opposition to any extension even as the White House and congressional leaders are expected to reach a deal on the issue this week.

Voinovich, who is retiring early next year after a political career that has spanned more than four decades, including 12 years in the Senate, said Monday that he likely will oppose any extension of the cuts that does not include an attempt to tackle tax reform.

"As I look at my experience, I believe that if this thing goes through and we extend it, we will kick this thing down the road," Voinovich said in an interview after addressing an Aspen Institute roundtable in Washington. "It's completely irresponsible."

Voinovich has bucked his party on the tax-cut issue before. He was the only Republican senator to oppose the cuts when they were first proposed in 2000. Three years later, he joined with Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) in opposing President George W. Bush's proposed $700-billion tax-cut package, eventually succeeding in bringing the price tag down to $350 billion.

In September, Voinovich suggested that he would vote against extending the cuts. He voted Saturday against one of the Democratic-sponsored measures that would have extended the cuts on income of $1 million or less for households. (He was not present in the Senate chamber to vote on another Democratic proposal to extend the cuts on income of $250,000 or less for households, although he said Monday he would have voted against that measure as well.)

Voinovich said Monday that he was concerned that any temporary extension of the cuts would eventually lead to a permanent extension of them and was emphatic in stressing the need for any tax cuts to be fully paid for.

"The American people should know that a lot of the reduction of their taxes is borrowed money from China," he said. "You've got to pay for it. You've got to pay for it. You've got to pay for it."

He said that "a lot of people" in the Senate have told them they agree with him on the issue, although most of them are in a tough spot politically as opposing any extension of the cuts would allow taxes to rise at a time when the economy is still struggling.

He added that Obama should have made a stronger effort to address the broader issue of tax reform during the White House's bipartisan, bicameral negotiations over the past week.

"If I were president, I'd reconvene the group" and take up the issue of fundamental tax reform, he said.

By Felicia Sonmez  | December 6, 2010; 2:50 PM ET
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Let ALL the tax cuts expire. Since the recession started, I don't have any income anyway, so I doubt that I'll be paying any more in taxes. It's far more important that we take the silver spoon away from these billionaires who keep promising that if they just get a lot richer, that it will all trickle down. Sorry, fat cats, the snow is all yellow around here. It's the only trickle we ever see from this centuries-old stream. The plan from McConnell and his stooge, Pres. Obama, is to stick it to the poor one more time and pretend that a compromise has been accomplished. I've had it with both sides, as they take turns reaming the working people, continuing to ship jobs to China, banking control to China and what money is left to Israel, Saudi Arabia, and of course, China. I'm disgusted.

Posted by: signsong1 | December 8, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Democrats and liberals don't want tax cuts, but they want AMNESTY for 20 million ILLEGAL INVADERS! Go figure! Is that how they will support the AMNESTY Program that Harry Reid wants to sneak in WITHOUT ANY DEBATE ON IT? The Dream Act is another backdoor AMNESTY PROGRAM from these TRAITORS who support the interests of foreign nationals over the interests of AMERICANS! This vote will show us who the enemy is!

Posted by: TexRancher | December 7, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

rheckler2002... was wondering when some loon would put the blame on the jews and conservatives for all the ills of America.

are your really so stupid or is it just personal bigotry?

==================================
DrainYou.. The deal between Obama and the Republicans is to maintain the present tax rates and increase the Estate Tax fom -0- to 35%. The only tax "cut" is the temporary reduction in the FICA payroll tax deduction of ALL who get wages subject to FICA.

If you didn't know this, now you do!

Posted by: Hazmat77 | December 7, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

rheckler2002... was wondering when some loon would put the blame on the jews and conservatives for all the ills of America.

are your really so stupid or is it just personal bigotry?

Posted by: Hazmat77 | December 7, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Meet simple logic and facts from a well known conservative republican:

US military spending reflects the unaffordable and unattainable crazed neoconservative goal of US Empire and world hegemony. What fool in Washington thinks that China is going to finance US hegemony over China?

The only way that the US will again have an economy is by bringing back the offshored jobs. The loss of these jobs impoverished Americans while producing oversized gains for Wall Street, shareholders, and corporate executives. These jobs can be brought home where they belong by taxing corporations according to where value is added to their product. If value is added to their goods and services in China, corporations would have a high tax rate. If value is added to their goods and services in the US, corporations would have a low tax rate.

This change in corporate taxation would offset the cheap foreign labor that has sucked jobs out of America, and it would rebuild the ladders of upward mobility that made America an opportunity society.

If the wars are not immediately stopped and the jobs brought back to America, the US is relegated to the trash bin of history.

Obviously, the corporations and Wall Street would use their financial power and campaign contributions to block any legislation that would reduce short-term earnings and bonuses by bringing jobs back to America. Americans have no greater enemies than Wall Street and the corporations and their prostitutes in Congress and the White House.

The neocons allied with Israel, who control both parties and much of the media, are strung out on the ecstasy of Empire.

The United States and the welfare of its 300 million people cannot be restored unless the neocons, Wall Street, the corporations, and their servile slaves in Congress and the White House can be defeated.

Without a revolution, Americans are history.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/founder-reaganomics-says-without-revolution-americans-are-history

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts is the father of Reaganomics and the former head of policy at the Department of Treasury. He is a columnist and was previously the editor of the Wall Street Journal. His latest book, “How the Economy Was Lost: The War of the Worlds,” details why America is disintegratin

Posted by: rheckler2002 | December 7, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Let all the tax cuts expire. Heck, I can afford to give back the lousy $6 GWB game me in cuts. Repubs need to stop whining about their rich pals, and instead need to be asked "Where are the jobs that you guys promised beginning in 2001???" Is anyone awake in this nation? Can we afford to put $900 Billion (from China or the Arabs) more on the deficit so these rich cats can buy a new mercedes this year again (and not create any jobs apparently)? You folks ready to lose your nation to these countries that are holding our loans/lives in their hands and laughing?

Posted by: Sherry91 | December 7, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

President Obama just gives in way too fast to the Republicans. A good fight might wake up the people in this country as to what is going on. The Republicans/Bush caused most of the deficit we now owe and granted, the Democrats have added to it. But how are we going to pay for these added tax cuts? This government..both sides, Supreme Court, and all are failing this country!

Posted by: softjazz41 | December 7, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

As a supporter of the president, I am quite disappointed. He's failing his leadership tests over and over again. He simply fails to try to take his case to the voters directly and forcefully.

Meanwhile, his opponents continue to carve positions further and further to the right and then demand compromise. To them, compromise means doing what they want. Period. He could learn a thing or two about that.

It's not too late for him to grow a spine, but the clock is ticking. I don't want a wimp in the White House. That's right, I said it. Wimp. The president has REAL problems if a committed democrat like myself is saying this. What a disappointment.

Posted by: sdavis3398 | December 7, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Obama has made it clear that he is committed to advancing the fascist agenda. He does not stand up for the poor or middle class but he does stand up for the wealthy and the corporate. He does not stand up for civil liberties but he does stand up for allowing the TSA to irradiate and grope your children. He does not stand up for Peace but he does stand up for more war, endless war, kill kill kill.

I voted for him. I didn't think he was great but I voted for him because the alternative was Senator Senile and Governor Stupid. I won't vote for Obama again, that is certain.

Posted by: greeenmtns | December 7, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Who cares, Sen. George Voinovich is a radical liberal elite democrat anyway!

Posted by: rteske | December 7, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Who cares, Sen. George Voinovich is a democrat!

Posted by: rteske | December 7, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Democrats won low to middle tax breaks and
extending unemployment payments for another year (that's 3 yrs., but who's counting).
Republicans got upper class tax cuts. The USA (read taxpayers, parents and grandparents) are effectively told don't
worry about it.

It seems Senator Voinovich is the only adult in the room.

There is no Will to face facts (and figures)...and so we'll all skip and trip down the yellow brick road, fall asleep in the poppy field of entitlements and be shocked to see the bulldozer of fiscal reality plow over us.

Forget about it (the D.C. leadership vacuum)
and take care of your family. By this time next year the Wizard and his munchkins won't recognize Oz.

Posted by: BluePelican | December 7, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Ride off into the sunset RINO George, take your bloated pension, free healthcare and sullied reputation with you. Repeatedly compromised principles of conservatism have given you a well deserved reputation of a weak lilly.

Posted by: NeoConVeteran | December 7, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

The only bigger mistake than the Bush tax cuts was the man who pushed them. His whole presidency was a disaster! But what do you expect from a thief who stole an election?

Posted by: NMguy1 | December 7, 2010 2:15 AM | Report abuse

The man speaks sense. Sadly, Obama can't be immediately impeached and replaced by him.
Meanwhile, for the good of the USA, it is time for Obama to do a Gov. Sarah Palin, and quit.

Posted by: Rudy7 | December 7, 2010 1:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm a long standing progressive, but I have to admit that I am in total agreement with the Republican Senator from Ohio. Let's face it, we all know that President Reagan and President Bush are personally responsible for this massive deficit. Of course, there is a gang of Democrats who stood by with their head bowed and their hat in the hands when it was happening. But, enough is enough, it is time to pay the piper before someone comes along and reposes our piccolo. This country has been acting like a bunch of pamper children for just too long.

Posted by: oren1956 | December 7, 2010 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Filibuster it Senator. Show some backbone. The President is apathetic and has lost the will to fight. You do it.

Posted by: steveinva | December 6, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Good for you, Senator Voinovich!

I have long thought that we should change our tax system drastically. Tax families with one adjustment: family size. Then tax at whatever percentage is needed to balance the budget and pay off the debt. According to one web site the per capita income in the US is about $33,000 a year. If taxes were paid for everyone in the country at $1650 per person,or 20%, the government would have a gross income of 516,450,000,000 per year. Of course, personal income tax would not be as high as the example, since the US would then go on to tax corporations at their gross incomes, with no deductions at all. (The percentage could be quite low...) Think of all the jobs the government could eliminate! Think of how accountants would get a wake-up call! Think of simple taxes would be for everyone!

Posted by: shayladane | December 6, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I was just wondering, how is money that I worked for and received from a private company and that our gov't takes every year without fail and in ever growing amounts, money that I borrowed from China. When are these clowns going to get it through their heads that it is OUR money first. Not the governments and certainly not the stinking Chinese's either. The only reason we owe them money is because our failed leaders keep spending more than they steal from us. Balance the budget you clowns!!!

Posted by: AlwaysIndependent | December 6, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I was just wondering, how is money that I worked and received from a private company and that our gov't takes every year without fail and in ever growing amounts, money that I borrowed from China. When are these clowns going to get it through their heads that it is OUR money first. Not the governments and certainly not the stinking Chinese's either. The only reason we owe them money is because our failed leaders keep spending more than they steal from us. Balance the budget you clowns!!!

Posted by: AlwaysIndependent | December 6, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Good for you, Senator Voinovich!

I have long thought that we should change our tax system drastically. Tax families with one adjustment: family size. Then tax at whatever percentage is needed to balance the budget and pay off the debt. According to one web site the per capita income in the US is about $33,000 a year. If taxes were paid for everyone in the country at $1650 per person,or 20%, the government would have a gross income of 516,450,000,000 per year. Of course, personal income tax would not be as high as the example, since the US would then go on to tax corporations at their gross incomes, with no deductions at all. (The percentage could be quite low...) Think of all the jobs the government could eliminate! Think of how accountants would get a wake-up call! Think of simple taxes would be for everyone!

Posted by: shayladane | December 6, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Hark, a voice of reason doth soundeth from the Repubs, but one that will be retiring soon.
Too late to help.

And so it goes........

Posted by: ronrod17509 | December 6, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Hark, a voice of reason doth soundeth from the Repubs, but one that will be retiring soon.
Too late to help.

And so it goes........

Posted by: ronrod17509 | December 6, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Hark, a voice of reason doth soundeth from the Repubs, but one that will be retiring soon.
Too late to help.

And so it goes........

Posted by: ronrod17509 | December 6, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh, look at Nobama11. We're in all caps land now. This is what often happens with these types. They know nothing, but yell loudly. It's a shame. Nobama11, just calm down, take a stroll through your nearest wallmart or something. chill out, man, watch Glenn Beck tonight -he'll be able to tell you something you want to hear. Maybe he'll have another fun story about Nazis, I love those. Anyway, anything he says is sure to make you feel better.

Posted by: WasGOPnowFree | December 6, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

LIBTARDS; KEEP STICKING YOU HEAD INTO THAT DARK STINKY HOLE;; FREDDIE MAC AND FANNIE MAE;AKA BARNEY FRANK AND CHRIS DODD AND JANET RENO CREATED THE RED LINE LOANS OR ELSE AND THEY WERE BUNDLED AS DERIVATIVES SOLD TO ING,LEHMAN BROS,BANK OF AMERICA, CITI GROUP, ETC. RECEIVED MILLIONS IN TARP MONEY AND [3] TRILLION WAS GIVE TO RBS AND OTHER EUROPEAN FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS UNKNOWN TO "AMERICAN TAXPAYERS". YOU PUKES ARE TOO STUPID TP GET IT SO I CEASE AND DESIST{IN THE INFAMOUS WORDS OF BARNEY fwank.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

hey all you lib economics geniuses; it is NOT HOW MUCH YOU BRING IN IT, IS HOW MUCH YOU SPEND THAT CREATES DEFICITS, GET IT?

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Nobama11: I think you drank a little too much "tea".
Careful everyone, this one's a perfect case study of one of the millions of mindless drones that listen to everything fox news tells them and thinks it's real. Definitely one sandwich short of a picnic. The GOP prey on the ignorant, it's criminal to watch these poor halfwits just fall in line and follow them off the cliff as they always do. Yeah, nobama11, mitch mcconnell and john Boehner have your back! Well I guess if you're rich they do, if you're not you're certifiable.

Posted by: WasGOPnowFree | December 6, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Nobama11: I think you drank a little too much "tea".
Careful everyone, this one's one sandwich short of a picnic. If he really thinks republics have his back, he's just like all the other halfwits that mindlessly follow that party off the cliff. They prey on the ignorant, so nobama11 - fall in line man!

Posted by: WasGOPnowFree | December 6, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

abc; let's learn the rest of those 26 characters. The dems have controlled the purse strings for [4] years, your President has spent more money in [24] months than the previous [8] presidents combined; how do you reconcile that ? you continue to blame everyone else but you and your "give away" potus. get it right or go home.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse


Hark, finally an intelligent voice from the Repubs, but one that will be retiring soon.
Too late to help.

And so it goes........

Posted by: ronrod17509 | December 6, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse


Hark, finally an intelligent voice from the Repubs, but one that will be retiring soon.
Too late to help.

And so it goes........

Posted by: ronrod17509 | December 6, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Good for him! Somebody who's genuinely concerned about the deficit and national debt. Too bad he's retiring. His fellow Rs will gladly add to the deficit and national debt, as they're wont to do (see: two wars whose costs are off-budget, an unfunded prescription drug program, three unfunded tax cuts, unfunded No Child Left Behind, and who knows what else when they were in charge).

Posted by: abcs86 | December 6, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

MAY I REPRINT MY ORIGINAL QUESTION; who the hell spent all this money in the first place?
The house of reps is the only body who can create spending bills; Dems have controlled the house for 4 [four] years, how does that cogitate out? You libs think money grows in the ghetto ; wrong dog breathe. rich "white People" control growth, right that is what Jeramiah Wright says; is he not Obama;s mentor?

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

sambuca; you need a better , honest, forthcoming source of factual information; there are media outlets that are not owned by Obama. try one for a month you might be enlightened as to how you have been manipulated. Socialism will not succeed in America; maybe a new address would work for you. 98% of blacks vote on BARRY'S SIDE, so let's see 98% of 25% of total pop is 24% and then you throw in 16% of the remaining voters as left wing socialists and that leaves 60% of Americans who DO NOT WANT TO BE COMMUNISTS. OOPS LOOKS LIKE YOU LOSE.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

mernatti; you voted for this socialist puke? you got what you voted for; but then the real Americans woke up and told you to shove it.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

This President that I voted for is nothing but a GOP suck A## AND HE F### everybody that voted for him Where is the logic in what thisSOB is doing

Posted by: mernatti123 | December 6, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

@ Nobama: How benevolent of you to let us left-progressive-liberals live in your paradise. Last time I looked this was a democracy, of the people, for the people and BY the people....You want to live in a society where there is only one acceptable political philosophy I suggest you hop into your way-back machine and return to 1933 Germany. Then you can march in lock-step with you fellow fascists. WAKE UP...87%,72% and 52%, Dems,Ind. and Rep. ALL FAVOR letting the tax cuts for the super rich expire.

Posted by: sambucaron | December 6, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

THE MASSES RULE THIS COUNTRY YOU ELITEST IDEOLOGUE. the d.c MINIONS ARE THERE BECAUSE for good or bad people like you vote foe socialism.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

DRAIN-O; Bend over boy, there is better, quicker way to get more kool-aid into your system. you are sooo far left.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

lET ME ASK YOU THIS " WHO THE HELL SPENT ALL THIS MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE? Answer the very fruits who are still in the legislative branches today; is this freaking stupid or what; TERM LIMITS ;;;;;; TERM LIMITS.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Life long Democrat here.

THANK YOU Senator Voinovich!!! Finally a voice of reason. To bad there are so many cowards in both parties pandering to the masses. You were right in opposing these phony tax cuts in the first place.

If we just let them expire, it would takemore guts than your Party's Represenatives and Senators have to go back and try to give them back to the rich. Then rational people might look at reatoring some to the middle class.

Posted by: JohninConnecticut | December 6, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I am an American English teacher in China, and I recommend that we pay for it now, because if we pay for it later, it will be beyond our means.

You guys don't realize what you are up against here. I mean, the economics of China and the USA. Here, the growth is incredible, the monetary policy is sustainable, and without the political argument that we have.

This means that the economic policy of China is fine tuned, well honed, and focused. Ours is partisan, and self defeating. Just get with the program, and stop playing politics while the juggernaut rides on!

For heaven's sake, bring jobs back home to America, be self-reliant and independent: this is what the United States of America has shown to be the best.

by

James P. Zaworski

Posted by: jamespzaworski | December 6, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Senator Voinovich is the first Republican senator that I have heard in a long time that has made sense on the tax issue. It is too bad that he is retiring.

I understand that the new teabaggers in Congress are siding up to the trough of the lobbyists. So much for principles. Don't count on these guys to lower the deficit.

Working people can afford the taxes. Those who have been laid off or fired need unemployment compensation until they can find jobs. Before I retired, I even donated unused leave days so that my peers could have days to pay for illnesses and so forth.

The level of rational debate on the tax issue is in the mud.

Posted by: EarlC | December 6, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

This is what all other spineless cowardly politicians must do to safeguard our country's future, now. I guess it's a luxury he can afford to enjoy since he won't be running any more. This is what we have created. We are all responsible. Stupid uninformed people voting crooks into the office.

Posted by: pelohoki | December 6, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

"Good thing this RINO only has a few days left! Posted by: BenLaGuer"

So what you're saying is, anybody who's SERIOUS about deficit reduction isn't a Republican? I can't wait till we try to finance our next two wars on credit, too. You "no taxes!" parrots on the right are more ignorant than the "no service cuts!" people on the left. Oh wait, the right doesn't want its services cut either, just the means to pay for them. You zealots deserve each other, but American deserves better than either.

Posted by: SageThrasher | December 6, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Sen. Voinovich, and sorry to see him leave. He has been correct on the issue all along. Any more debt incurred now will just have to be paid for later. If you're going to cut taxes you've got to cut spending. Seems all politicians can agree to compromise on is how much more we can spend without paying for it.

Posted by: wireknob | December 6, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I would like to say..hooray for this Senator, Also i agree let the tax cuts EXPIRE, all of them it is about time everyone pays up..this is our Country afterall, we are the one's who allowed this mess and now its the time..CLEAN IT UP, The rich cannot continue on the backs of middle and poor Americans..well for the Te partyiers's how do you like your people now...the will throw you under the bus just like they always have...Get your wallets out and get ready to pay..

Posted by: janetmramos | December 6, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

If the Demoncrats would quit spending money on everything, we wouldn't need all these taxes to begin with.

Seems like we're taxed for everything that's not necessary. Get back to the basics, general welfare for those who can't fend for themselves, infrastructure and security. All else can be paid for by those who use the service, like museums, parks, highways and the like. And quit giving our money to other countries, and to those who refuse to work and many more non-necessities.

Posted by: r_leever | December 6, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Good for him.
He has mor balls than our soft president.

Posted by: schumann-bonn | December 6, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Good thing this RINO only has a few days left!

Posted by: BenLaGuer | December 6, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

If we are serious about cutting the debt, then two things need to be done:
First, allow the tax cuts to expire and use the new tax revenue to pay down the debt (not more spending!).
Second, for each new tax dollar we cough up, Congress must agree to cut the federal budget by an equal amount.
When combined over ten years, the new revenues and cuts would amount to a $7.4 trillion (or 50%)reduction in the debt, to say nothing of reducing the annual deficit.
If we are not serious about cutting the debt, then take the tax cut extension and tempt economic calamity.
I'm glad the senator spoke up. We can't afford to borrow $3.7 trillion for more 'free stuff.'

Posted by: mtpeaks | December 6, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice if more members of Congress were as responsible as Mr. Voinovich and realize that kicking the tax problem can down the road is not sustainable, especially as we're still paying for a war or two with borrowed money. Let the cuts expire. All of them. Extend the unemployment compensation. Start working on reforming the tax code. Since Congress is really good [with the help of the media] slinging generalities, how about publishing a tax table for us so we could see for ourselves just how much repealing the tax cuts would cost us? For many of us this could be a tempest in a teapot as far as how much more we'd be paying.

Posted by: sober1 | December 6, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Voinovich has my vote. It is irresponsible to extend the tax cut when we need to reduce our deficit.

Posted by: Terminator2 | December 6, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

This senator has it 100% right. Too bad he is retiring.

Posted by: JimInMinneapolis | December 6, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

The fact that the extremist Republican party is holding the entire congressional agenda hostage (again) in pursuit of their beloved unfunded, deficit producing ($700 Billion!) Tax Cuts for Billionaires proves once again that the middle-class Republican base morons (Teabaggers) who cheerlead for Republican policies like this, are some of the dumbest f-ing people on the face of the earth.

Posted by: DrainYou | December 6, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

As we see, cutting government revenue doesn't put a damper on government spending... Congress still spends whatever obscene sum it chooses, and if revenue doesn't keep pace, they put it on the credit card, FOR OUR CHILDREN TO PAY. Sooner or later, it MUST be paid, or the wheels will completely fall off our economy, and maybe our country. We'll pay directly in taxes, or indirectly, in hyper-inflation and a ruined economy. Choose.

I agree with the millions of ordinary Americans calling for restraint of government spending, but we are up against millions of other Americans who are prepared to reward the elected officials who are most generous to them (with money from the public treasury, of course). I don't mean poor black "welfare queens" in the inner city... the REAL Welfare Queens are big corporations (like Arthur Daniel Midlands) Wall Street, the banks and oil companies, etc.

Until that is addressed, these elected officials will simply continue these irresponsible policies. Works for them.

Posted by: Iconoblaster | December 6, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Eliminate the cash cow, eliminate the spending. The federal govt needs to downsize to about 50% of its current size, cut employees by at least that amount, close some of the agencies such as EPA; and Education, which are miserable failures, and we would be well on the way to living within our means.

Posted by: texian1
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These are valid points, but your plan is not going to be implemented. What you wish and what can actually happen are different. Political realities militate against your ideas.

Every time the Democrats are in power, they increase social spending, but they do not increase taxes.

Every time the Republicans are in power, they cut taxes, but they do not cut spending. Indeed both Bush and Reagan increased spending.

With this one-two punch, we are in a deep debt hole. The budget is more and more out of kilter.

Voinovich is right - we should end the Bush tax cuts NOW.

Posted by: rjpal | December 6, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm with George V. If they can't agree on extending the tax cuts for the middle class without giving the rich an extension then I think George is right, let the tax cuts expire for everyone.

So far the tax cuts have not created new jobs, they've created a huge deficit along with the war.

American do need to sacrifice. The majority haven't the cajones to join the military nor do they want their children to and at the same time they don't want to pay taxes. Most of them don't want to pay teachers, fire fighters or police either. Talk about entitlements. It's not the people on social security or medicare bringing this country down it's good old American greed and corruption, not to mention selfishness.

It's really pretty sad. We become more pathetic as a nation and we're losing our political, scientific and academic edge all over the world.

Posted by: davidbronx | December 6, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I earn substantially LESS than $250K and I'll forgo my "tax cut" if it helps the country out.

Just let the f'ing tax cuts expire for chrissakes! It's not a big deal and it's a VERY small sacrafice to make for the good of the country.

If you think paying more in taxes is really a "sacrafice" think of those 18 year olds we keep to sending to Iraq and Afghanistan to get blown up or come back with missing limbs or with psychological disorders!

We send young kids to get blown up in a GD war and the rest of can't pay a little more in taxes to help the country out?!

Unfreaking believable, man! I can't believe how selfish we Americans have become especially when I think of the sacrafices our grandparents ("The Greatest Generation") made during WWII and the Great Depression.

WAAAAAHHHHHHH! BOOO HOOO HOOO! I have to pay more taxes because the freaking country is broke! WAH, WAH, WAH!

God, what freaking bunch of babies we Americans are and how spineless our political leaders are!

Posted by: montana123 | December 6, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

leewaters wrote:

"If you rerally want to let the Bush era tax cuts for everyone expire, then be sure to add the 47% of citizens back onto the roles who currently pay no taxes and let them begin paying their "fair share," no matter how small."


I'm sorry but payroll taxes are still TAXES. And the working poor still get money taken out of thier checks and have fewer deduction options than the wealthy.
This is a horribly un-equal and un-fair system.

Posted by: libertyanne | December 6, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

He is ready to go home in a few days
full of joy at his brief notoriety,
ready to enjoy a happy holiday season
free of doubt as to "desertion's" propriety.

Posted by: Gonzage1
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So what do you want? That he should just express his thoughts quietly to the toilet bowl in his bathroom? :)

Look, in order to get anything done he needs to speak out. Otherwise, there is ZERO effect.

But as soon as he speaks out, newspapers will report it and then there will be people like you claiming that he wants publicity.

Well, perhaps the same accusation could be made against you? Why did you post? Are you looking for publicity?

Or for that matter against me.

Do you want a nation of people who never express their views? Then we would surely not need the first amendment.

Personally I am glad that we have one honest man in the Senate.

Posted by: rjpal | December 6, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Well now, common sense did not die completely in Washington.

Give em hell George!

PS: Tell the politically disable that you are not alone.

Posted by: ChiefSignalman | December 6, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I agree with him. We didn't need the tax cuts to begin with. Letting them expire would help bring down the debt. It's too bad most Americans are so self-absorbed they don't want to suffer any kind of sacrifice for America. Those who have benefited the most owe America the most for the opportunity to achieve wealth (I'm not talking about the trust fund babies here or those who have merely inherited wealth rather than earn it).

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | December 6, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Good for Voinovich. How rare that any senator from any party votes to simply do the right thing.

Posted by: jjedif | December 6, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

George wanted one last headline, he has never been one that stood tall when it was required. He and Ms. Snow should both take a hike. AS for you folks who think we should pay more, you need to remember, taxes are a source of revenue, when you cut a tax, you don't pay for it, it is not something that you have to pay for, it is a cash cow that lets you keep spending what you don't have. Eliminate the cash cow, eliminate the spending. The federal govt needs to downsize to about 50% of its current size, cut employees by at least that amount, close some of the agencies such as EPA; and Education, which are miserable failures, and we would be well on the way to living within our means.

Posted by: texian1 | December 6, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

George wanted one last headline, he has never been one that stood tall when it was required. He and Ms. Snow should both take a hike. AS for you folks who think we should pay more, you need to remember, taxes are a source of revenue, when you cut a tax, you don't pay for it, it is not something that you have to pay for, it is a cash cow that lets you keep spending what you don't have. Eliminate the cash cow, eliminate the spending. The federal govt needs to downsize to about 50% of its current size, cut employees by at least that amount, close some of the agencies such as EPA; and Education, which are miserable failures, and we would be well on the way to living within our means.

Posted by: texian1 | December 6, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Good for Voinovich. How rare that any senator from any party votes to simply do the right thing.

Posted by: jjedif | December 6, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

He belongs with the infamous trio:
Specter, Collins and Snowe,
who voted "Yea" to give bail-out a boost:
how much and/or how not pretending to know.

Voinovich, retiring, wants his day in the spotlight,
A maverick senator who abandons the ranks
to the plaudits of media observers,
but from his party (and "loyalty" supporters) absolutely no thanks.

He is ready to go home in a few days
full of joy at his brief notoriety,
ready to enjoy a happy holiday season
free of doubt as to "desertion's" propriety.

Posted by: Gonzage1 | December 6, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

The Bush tax cuts should all expire. Counter-intuitively it may actually end up stimulating the economy. How? Consider this.

The big negative will be an effect on consumer spending. But this may be offset by some positives.

The dollar will rally strongly based on the improved fiscal condition of our government and start behaving like a true reserve currency. Our exports will suffer some loss but this will also be offset by falling prices particularly oil for all areas of the world except China. Since China pegs their currency to ours, all other economies will become more competive to China, improving their economies and allowing them to buy more US goods. It would be particularly beneficial to Europe and Japan. Best of all interest rates may also fall because of the new investment flows attracted to the US by our improved fiscal situation.

Liberals should support this. It would make the tax schedule more progressive. It would also be a better position from which to negotiate tax reform. Finally since the negative economic effect are rather negligible or possibly positive it will blunt the Republican claims that tax cuts are the solution to all problems.

Let the Bush tax cuts expire. The 2003 cuts barely passed and took Cheney's vote. They were bad then and are still bad.

Posted by: chucko2 | December 6, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Hooray for Voinovich! We are fighting two wars and need infrastructure investment. The economy worked just fine under the Clinton tax rates. Real conservatives don't want something for nothing. Bushes economic policies were terrible for the country.

Obama, wake up and veto the whole thing!

Posted by: wstringfellow | December 6, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Finally! Some adult conversation about the painful economic connundrum our country has worked itself into--over decades. (Starting way before Bush II.) I applaud Voynovich though since he's retiring, this is not exactly a Profile in Courage. I also like what I see coming out of the Debt Reduction commission Obama set up. Maybe we're actually getting somewhere.

What would tip this in favor of sanity would be to have people like Voynovich and Gregg Judd (also retiring), Bowles and Wyden do a nationwide bus tour speaking to groups in many different locales - the Tea Partiers included - and laying out, forcefully, the economic realities which we all need to recognize and deal with if we're to have any hope of stabilizing our economy and our society over the next five to six years.
John Patrick Grace
Huntington, West Virginia

Posted by: publishersplace | December 6, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

standard guy, In your discussion of taxes as "stealing" you have entirely neglected the fact that we have an elected government which has to be continually reapproved for the position. In other words, these are YOUR elected representatives. Good job may I say.

Posted by: larry9 | December 6, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

A Republican with a spine and a brain. That is a unique individual in this Congress. As hard as it "might" be for some, letting the cuts expire would actually help us. We are a nation that has come to expect everything and pay for nothing - the Republican mantra. The day of reckoning is in sight and it looks more like a bad thunderstorm than a meeting of the minds.

Posted by: ronjeske | December 6, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"You've got to pay for it. You've got to pay for it. You've got to pay for it."

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Don't spend it in the first place.

Posted by: drjcarlucci

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You already spent it.
now pony up.

Posted by: vigor | December 6, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

If you rerally want to let the Bush era tax cuts for everyone expire, then be sure to add the 47% of citizens back onto the roles who currently pay no taxes and let them begin paying their "fair share," no matter how small.

If paying taxes is the "patriotic thing to do," let them begin showing their patriotism as well.

Posted by: lewwaters | December 6, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Well deserved applause for George Voinovich!

Some one lend him a 2 by 4 to use on his demogogueing colleagues to knock in some sense. Ca'they see that our men and women in the Armed Services and their families have done their part and already paid dearly; much too dearly..... Whether we wanted George Bush's wars or not, it's time for the rest of us to our face civic and patriotic responsibilities and finally pay for that horrendous debt that our adolescent-acting government "leaders" racked up in our name on the our national credit card. These givaways were never a good idea in the first place and the sooner we're rid of them, the sooner we can begin to climb out of our collective debt. Let them lapse, Congress. For once, your "do-nothing" nature would pay off for the Nation.

Posted by: tzem | December 6, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

How exactly is stealing more money from people to give to this government at this time going to help anybody, other than maybe public sector unions of course? Congress can't even pay for UI benefit extensions by cutting something else in the huge morass of spending they've enacted since obama took office so they sure as hell don't need carte blache to steal more money.

Posted by: standard_guy | December 6, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to Mr. Voinovich. Let's hope some of the other retiring/unreturned Senators have the courage to stand with him.

The cuts were a mistake in the first place and have continued to be so in the face of two unfunded wars. Allowing expiration would bring in tax dollars and NOT add to the deficit. After the expiration, maybe, just maybe, someone in DC could address a badly needed reform of the tax code.

I, for one, am sick to the death of the grandstanding of my elected legislators. They seem to forget whose employees they are and to spend altogether too much time working against any common sense measures.

Posted by: wallace2 | December 6, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Let the Temporary Tax Cuts expire for all.

it's the only reasonable move.

Posted by: vigor | December 6, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

The deal is done, and so, quite possibly, is Mr. Obama's chances of a second term, unless the GOP / T Party outstrips even MY extremely low estimation of their intelligence and nominates Mrs. Palin.

Mr. President, those who 'dupe' you and take advantage of you ( i.e., the liars McConnell and Boehner) and their dim-witted followers have nothing but contempt and derision for you willingness to compromise.

And, now that you have, and you have done so in a very damaging way, many millions your OWN followers see you as weak and a bad negotiator.

We need either the miracle of a Palin nomination, or to find someone between now and the summer of 2012 who has some cajones and will stand up for what is right.

It's not Mr. Obama.

Posted by: StevenK3 | December 6, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Voinovich is right, of course. Each year that we got tax cuts, we also got an increase in our debt limit. We also got increases in EVERY OTHER YEAR that the tax cuts were in place.
At some point, shouldn't there have been responsible voices pointing out that these tax cuts were not affordable? Maybe some of those folks who thought fighting 2 wars was affordable on borrowed money?
If tax cuts are extended, there will be yet another vote to increase our debt limit, within 90 days. Is this the best thing for us to do?

Posted by: OldUncleTom | December 6, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"You've got to pay for it. You've got to pay for it. You've got to pay for it."

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Don't spend it in the first place.

Posted by: drjcarlucci | December 6, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I was watching Mr. Obama speak in public today about the tax cuts.

Mr. Obama is FAR better as a speaker than he is a 'negotiator.'

This is a man who seems blind to the political damage negotiating with lying thugs and bullies does.

We are very possibly witnessing the crucial, pivotal moment in Mr. Obama's presidency when he became a one-term president.

Posted by: StevenK3 | December 6, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: merrylees

"Good for Senator Voinavich. The tax cuts should not have been enacted in the first place and extending them only increases the insanity. Let them all lapse."
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A-Men! and A-Men!

Posted by: lufrank1 | December 6, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

This angry old white man is a perfect poster child for term limits!!!

Posted by: georges2 | December 6, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Good for Senator Voinavich. The tax cuts should not have been enacted in the first place and extending them only increases the insanity. Let them all lapse.

Posted by: merrylees | December 6, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

The best thing for the nation would be to extend all the Bush tax cuts, but if none of them end up being extended there could at least be an amusing silver lining.

Background: LOTS of struggling families would suddenly find themselves on the tax rolls, and everyone on up the income scale including all middle class members would find themselves paying substantially more. That's not the amusing part, that's the bad policy part.

The amusing part would be all the left-leaning pundits and politicians having to explain why the things that were called "tax cuts for the rich" somehow hurt the poor when they went away.

WaPo did its part ten years ago. They posted pictures of DC single moms holding up $500 checks with scorn, following up with lots of quotes about how half a clam wouldn't solve all the poor's problems. These "straight news" articles let that silly side of the story stand without telling the other side: that a $500 check is about as much help as a tax cut can do for a family paying close to $500 tax to begin with. Take away $500+ from such a family during a recession, while continuing with various bailouts and stimulus packages, and how much have you helped such a family?

Posted by: angrydoug1 | December 6, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I fervently applaud Mr. Voinovich's perspective.

Mr. Obama has made what may be a politically fatal error with his 'deal' with the lying GOP / T Party lapdogs.


Mr. Obama has been skating on very thin ice until now, what with all his 'compromising',

But NOW,

The President has won the VERY deep resentment of at least 25% - 35% of his supporters, while the stupid, mindless followers of the liars Mcconnell and Boehner are laughing at Mr. Obama's 'naivite'.

The liars McConnell and Boehner will find a way to destroy this country completely, because Mr. Obama is unable to stand up for the rest of us.


Posted by: StevenK3 | December 6, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the multiple posts! It was the Washington Post website acting up! really!

Posted by: shadowmagician | December 6, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Voinovich was always a dumbbunny as a senator. So glad that he is gone."
-------------------------------
jibe: I don't have a high opinion of my senators either, but if your big concern is deficit reduction, he is quite right. Let these cuts expire, you can expect an additional $3.4 trillion in tax revenue in a decade.

I am repulsed by the thinking that we need to squeeze $5 billion from federal workers, who actually deliver a product to citizens, while approving $700 billion in tax cuts for wealthy people who don't need it and won't necessarily circulate it. Bass-Akwards in my opinion.

Posted by: shadowmagician | December 6, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Good for Voinavich - who is, apparently, the only Senator who has enough courage and sense to not vote for unfunded tax cuts. They weren't a good idea in 2001 - 2003, they didn't stimulate the economy then, and there is little empirical evidence that suggests that tax cuts are correlated with lower employment. If it means that people who have received 99 weeks of unemployment benefits are cut off - then fine. If they haven't found a job in 2 years, they aren't going to find a job. Or, they could find a job, in another location, or different industry (or at lower wages), but have chosen not to. As for our taxes - I support full tax reform that makes the tax system more fair, promotes economic growth, and seeks to balance the budget, but simply continuing along the same failed path that we're currently on does not make sense. Go Voinavich.

Posted by: beersquirrel | December 6, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"Voinovich was always a dumbbunny as a senator. So glad that he is gone."
-------------------------------
jibe: I don't have a high opinion of my senators either, but if your big concern is deficit reduction, he is quite right. Let these cuts expire, you can expect an additional $3.4 trillion in tax revenue in a decade.

I am repulsed by the thinking that we need to squeeze $5 billion from federal workers, who actually deliver a product to citizens, while approving $700 billion in tax cuts for wealthy people who don't need it and won't necessarily circulate it. Bass-Akwards in my opinion.

Posted by: shadowmagician | December 6, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"Voinovich was always a dumbbunny as a senator. So glad that he is gone."
-------------------------------
jibe: I don't have a high opinion of my senators either, but if your big concern is deficit reduction, he is quite right. Let these cuts expire, you can expect an additional $3.4 trillion in tax revenue in a decade.

I am repulsed by the thinking that we need to squeeze $5 billion from federal workers, who actually deliver a product to citizens, while approving $700 billion in tax cuts for wealthy people who don't need it and won't necessarily circulate it. Bass-Akwards in my opinion.

Posted by: shadowmagician | December 6, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

A Republican Senator who wants us to pay our way. That's a switch. OK, it would be a switch for anyone in Congress.

Posted by: voldenuit123 | December 6, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Voinovich was always a dumbbunny as a senator. So glad that he is gone.

Posted by: jibe | December 6, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Only in todays Democratic party is getting nothing in exchange for everything that Republicans want, considered a deal.

Come on Dems, stand up for something for once!

Tell the Repugs they pass everything you want, or no deal on their unfunded, deficit producing Tax Cuts for Billionaires. Nothing, Zero, Zip, Nada!


Heck, you've already got the Repugs on record voting against middle-class tax cuts.

.

Posted by: DrainYou | December 6, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

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