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Posted at 12:52 PM ET, 01/18/2011

Hoyer: Democrats didn't "do a good enough job" in selling health care overhaul

By Felicia Sonmez

House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) acknowledged Tuesday that his party has not succeeded in selling the public on the benefits of the national health care overhaul, noting that polls indicate that opinion remains divided on the law.

"Apparently, none of us did a good enough job," Hoyer, the number-two House Democrat, said at his weekly pen-and-pad briefing when asked whether the White House had succeeded in selling one of its signature legislative agenda items.

Hoyer's remarks came as the House prepares to debate a Republican-led effort to repeal the health care law. A repeal bill is expected to pass the House on Wednesday but faces stiff odds in the Senate, where Democrats remain in the majority.

Hoyer said that he expects that lawmakers are going to be talking about health care "between now and the election" in 2012. He noted that while there's widespread agreement among the public on the need for access to affordable health care, consensus is lacking on how to achieve that goal.

In the wake of the shooting in Tucson that killed six and wounded 14, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), Hoyer said that there's been no concerted effort among House Democratic leaders to rein in lawmakers' rhetoric, although he expects that members "will heed their own advice and the advice of others" and address issues such as health care repeal on the merits.

"Too much of the public debate, particularly in the media, is about incitement rather than informing," he said. "It's about making people angry; disrespecting the other point of view on the other side. This is unrelated to Arizona, but certainly Arizona has brought this into focus."

Hoyer also dismissed the idea that there might be any ill will between House Democrats and President Obama following a lame-duck session during which liberal House lawmakers were in open revolt over the tax-cut deal negotiated between the president and congressional Republicans. Obama is slated to address House Democrats at their annual retreat this weekend.

"I think the answer is no," Hoyer said when asked about the potential for any lingering bitterness, adding that tackling the issues facing the country "will require conscientious, principled cooperation between all of us who have been elected by the American people to address those problems."

By Felicia Sonmez  | January 18, 2011; 12:52 PM ET
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Republican elected officials LOVE their taxpayer assisted medical insurance. Shouldn't all taxpayers have an opportunity to LOVE their taxpayer assisted medical insurance?

Congress' own healthcare benefits: membership has its privileges Lawmakers can choose among several plans and get special treatment at federal medical facilities. In 2008, taxpayers spent about $15 billion to insure 8.5 million federal workers and their dependents.

But many Americans think Congress is out of touch. How, they wonder, can lawmakers empathize with the underinsured or those lacking insurance when they receive a benefits package -- heavily subsidized by taxpayers -- that most of us can only envy?

Indeed, a question often surfaces: Why can't everyone enjoy the same benefits as members of Congress? The answer: The country probably couldn't afford it -- not without reforms to bring costs way, way down.

Given their choices, lawmakers can tailor coverage in a way most Americans cannot. If a child has asthma, for instance, a federal employee might opt for coverage that costs a little more but has a bigger doctor network and lower office-visit fees.

The plan most favored by federal workers is Blue Cross Blue Shield, which covers a family for about $1,030 a month. Taxpayers kick in $700, and employees pay the rest. Seeing a doctor costs $20. Generic prescriptions cost $10. Immunizations are free. There is no coverage limit.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/02/nation/na-congress-benefits2

Bush/ Cheney had 6 years of complete republican/neoconservative party control and did nothing to bring down the cost medical insurance. The neoconservative party screamed FREE MARKET!!!

What was the primary objective of Obamacare? To provide insurance coverage for at least
39 million more people.

The medical insurance industry has no intentions of reducing the cost without reducing services

And the neoconservative party STILL supports the most expensive medical insurance industry in the world.

Posted by: rheckler2002 | January 25, 2011 9:21 AM | Report abuse

What's hard is to sell anything to people who won't read. Anybody here actually read the whole thing? I doubt it.

Have to confess, I haven't. But I have dug up (through considerable searching) some credible analyses. This one, I thought was the best: http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS307&=&q=small+business+majority&aq=0&oq=small+business+maj

Seems a lot of people, though, have just accepted a lot of outright lies about it -- like the so-called "Death Panels," referring to a provision which allows doctors to get paid for end-of-life counseling. Right now, most people make these decisions with their lawyers, which seems a bit odd ...

Posted by: trapiche | January 22, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) acknowledged Tuesday that his party has not succeeded in selling the public on the the national health care overhaul.
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The first rule of marketing is to offer a product the consumer wants

The Democrats never had anything worth selling, yet Hoyer seems perplexed that Americans are not on board with this debacle.

Maybe this is why voters ousted Democrats from the House?

Maybe the Senate should take heed and reconsider the value of this debacle AFTER they read it. Then, they should nudge Reid to bring the repeal vote to the floor.

Trying to delay the Senate vote doesn't make the Democrat Senators look very good and does nothing to "sell" this law that Americans do NOT want.

Just bring it to the floor for a vote and be done with it.

Posted by: asmith1 | January 21, 2011 7:25 AM | Report abuse

NP "We have to pass it to see what's in it" because no one read or understood 27 hundred pages of it. What ever happened to critical thinking!

Posted by: biestsr2 | January 19, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Hoyer says Democrats didn't do a good enough job SELLING HEALTHCONTROL reform?

From out here in the real world, Mr. Hoyer, you Democrats didn't do a good enough job learning the Constitution! It is not a document to be trifled with.

We, The People care about following the Constitution, not screwing around with ways to circumvent it. Only subversives do that! Which are you? Never mind, we know!

It's about POWER, not healthcare!

Posted by: TexRancher | January 19, 2011 7:06 AM | Report abuse

yeah it is true most of us can save money on our car insurance by making few simple changes look line for "Clearance Auto Insurance" you will be amazed.

Posted by: mariebaker18 | January 19, 2011 5:24 AM | Report abuse

Not allowing people to read it, the "deem and pass" way it was crammed down our throats, the cost, the number of exemptions already handed out to corporate cronies....

obamacare is CORRUPT and it STINKS.

Posted by: pgr88 | January 18, 2011 11:10 PM | Report abuse

The real issue is Democrats didn't do a good enough job in CREATING the health-care overhaul...in fact, it is a morass of poor thinking, spawning a plethora of unintended, and counter-productive consequences.

Democrats are simply stupid.
However, I would NOT say they have a monopoly on this asset...

Posted by: wcmillionairre | January 18, 2011 10:08 PM | Report abuse

This is why people trust the media less each day. The premise of this is just false, and the Post and it's "reporters" are going to allow Steny Hoyer to get away with a statement like that?

The Democrats passed this legislation in March, are you trying to tell me that, between March and November, they couldn't find enough good in this bill to sell it to the American public and they got whipped at the polls because of it? GIVE ME A BREAK.

The press gave the Democrats a free ride, no tough questions just love, for over a year. The fact is they didn't want people looking too closely at this bill because it's got a lot in it not to like.

Now, they talk about being allowed to have your children on it until they reach 26? If you have children in college, they can be on your insurance until they're 25. If they're not in college, they ought to be working (if the Democrats could do something right and get jobs going) and have their own insurance.

What Steny Hoyer really means, and couldn't say, is they're trying to find a way to spin it and it's far easier to demogogue something, when you're not in power, than it is to sell it when you are.

If they really want to deal with health care, they'll repeal this thing and force the Republicans to come up with legislation that fixes the flaws in this bill and actually deals with the problems in health care everyone agrees are there. If they fight and don't do repeal, this will be an issue in 2 years and they'll lose again. There's just not enough good in this bill to sell the bad and they know it. If there was, they'd have done that already.

Does anyone remember the 5 hours ABC Television gave the President to sell this health care plan? The PResident, the Democrats, and the county would have been better off it they have done 2 hours on Fox News, took the tough questions, went back to the drawing board, and actually allowed the Republicans in the room and said, we're not leaving the room until we get this done. That would have been the way to get a GOOD health care plan, not the way they did it. If the Republicans don't do the right thing this time, they'll be in trouble, but the President should let them try. They do have a mandate to repeal this thing, and no fixed polls by the AP are going to change that.

Posted by: bflat879 | January 18, 2011 9:50 PM | Report abuse

The passage of healthcare reform was a monumental smackdown for the do-nothing party of no. A can of whipass opened up by the President and Congressional Democrats and the flunkies for healthcare companies.

After taking hundreds of millions of dollars from healthcare company pimps, the do-nothings had their arses handed to them when the American middle-class won a smashing victory against the healthcare companies with healthcare reform.

For John Boehner, everything that he stands for as a boot-licking lapdog and a lackey for healthcare company pimps is on the line. Corporate sponsored golf trips, money to hand out on the floor of the House, living in an apartment paid for by lobbyists and healthcare company pimps. Boehner is nothing if he can't show some return to the people who pull his strings like a stinking puppet.

The orange gangster does not want to have to dress up in a mini-skirt and high heels along with his pi$$-ant consigliere Eric Cantor and then have to go out and work the streets.

Posted by: DCSage | January 18, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Here's more about how docs. in NY State tried to keep other docs. from joining in a healthcare plan (calling it 'unethical') in 1954:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=jwsuAAAAIBAJ&sjid=xYAFAAAAIBAJ&pg=677,1899896&dq=health-insurance-plan&hl=en

So, the Conservatives didn't just recently start misrepresenting the meaning of healthcare. They've been doing it for a long, long time.

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Organized medicine tried fighting healthcare plans in the 1950s:

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30913FA385A107B93C6A8178ED85F408585F9

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

bertrum; the only time a person thinks conservatives are ignorant is if you I mean YOU get your news from the soap opera/comedian news readers.. FIRE UP THAT TELEPROMPTER AND set in fronf Keith Olberman; wow he is a really good journalist isn't he? Wasn't he sports caster until they fired him? He kept confusing baseball and soccer terms I guess. Hey, that's ok bert ,they play down to the mentality of their audience.

Posted by: Nobama11 | January 18, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Of course, when up against this level of slime, Steny Hoyer and Barack Obama couldn't 'sell' the healthcare plan compromise.

When up against this level of slime, who could sell anything?

I mean the level of slime is absolutely unbelieveable. Even for me! And, I have been slimed by consummate professionals on both sides!

These Republican attacks (in this thread) are disgusting.

Please note that this is not the kinder, gentler body politic so touted the past few days.

These are ugly, degenerate neocons and tea partiers showing their racist demagoguery at its zenith. They are disgusting.

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 8:42 PM | Report abuse

bertrum; The rest of America expects that kind of buffoonery from New England;; however there are [25] twenty five; "COUNT EM, states filing a law suit declaring the OBAMNOTROCIOUS unconstitutional. Supreme Court minus Sotomayor and Kagan will rule for we the people. You libs are a dinosaur stuck in the socialistic failures of the past.

Posted by: Nobama11 | January 18, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Do I think Republicans are ignoramuses?

Absolutely. But, that is not enough: They are lying ignoramuses. They do not even know their own history. But, they lie about it.

Here is nobama11 in his own words:

"You libs know this law is gangrene and to even stay a viable party the lib/dems must cut off their head to save the body."

I mean, is that slime, or what?

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 8:32 PM | Report abuse

bertrum;Mitt Romney is a moderate Repub, not conservative.;all that aside did not the socialist experts state that Obamacare was a lot like the Mass. plan? If that is true are you not shooting yourself in your own as---.The stagnant nature of your vitriolic rage is a little postmortem. You libs know this law is gangrene and to even stay a viable party the lib/dems must cut off their head to save the body.

Posted by: Nobama11 | January 18, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Lying Republicans (or Tea Partyers) like nobama11 write:

"...Obama and his communist minions took over executive and legislative branches.."

And Steny and Obama think they will be able to reason with these SOBs.

Sorry, not in this sorry nation.

Here is Truman trying again, just before he left office, in 1951:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=mLgKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=cE4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=3988,2644408&dq=health-insurance-plan&hl=en

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 8:25 PM | Report abuse

bertrum; If you would stop the noisy mindless chatter you might learn some facts; " when your mouth is open your ears are closed." If you got your news from someone besides Bill Maher it would be painfully obvious that witch pelosi and dirty harry reid dID NOT ALLOW DEBATE OR AMENDMENTS TO THE FIASCO;; YOU LIBS OWN THIS BAD BOY AND NOW YOU ARE TRYING TO JUSTIFY YOUR IGNORANCE.
This is going to make dumbo a one termer. It is merely a snippet of his radical socialist agenda.

Posted by: Nobama11 | January 18, 2011 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Our family want the complete repeal of this horrific albatross. We do not like it. We do not want it. We resent the way this terrible bill was crammed down our throats. And we resent the deception, the lying, the hiding behind closed doors, the hiding of bills, and the voting of bills on holidays and weekends. Never in our lifetime have we witness such evil with such hypocrisy.
How can you sell anything in this bill to anyone? Throw it away and start fresh.

Posted by: greatgran1 | January 18, 2011 8:16 PM | Report abuse

bertrum; nice to see you sinking to your cesspool mentality; if it took a hundred [100] years to pass it is obvious the idea is for sh--t; until Obama and his communist minions took over executive and legislative branches[no pun intended], there was always a stop gab of intelligent beings to block the stupid idea. Just goes to show what happens when dem/libs go unchecked. Obamanifesto, comrades

Posted by: Nobama11 | January 18, 2011 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, nobama11, tell us about the conservative plan that is not the Massachusetts plan.

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives have the intelligence, methods and systems to fix health care and it will not cost a trillion either.

Posted by: Nobama11 | January 18, 2011 8:07 PM | Report abuse

@nobama11:

I know you are none too bright and you make very poor arguments for repeal of a healthcare bill that was the best the Congress could pass after a century of argument.

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

wANT TO KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH oBAMACARE;; WATCH THE ENGLISH TWIST IN THE WIND;; SOCIALIZED ANYTHING does not work,,labor unions are crooks, health care is a joke, sanitation workers did not move the snow or garbage in N.Y., air traffic controllers were fired by Reagan, UAW bankrupted GM. I am getting tired, so I will rest a minute. School teachers do not teach, they recite social prejudices.

Posted by: Nobama11 | January 18, 2011 7:57 PM | Report abuse

RE: The Secretary of HHHS actually has as much regulatory power as the Secretary of Defense. Can you spell overreach? Medical reform is Obama's Iraq.
Posted by: RobbyS

This is a great example of Republican wind-baggery.

1)Who says the Scretary of Defense should have any regulatory power over us as citizens?

2)You cite nothing when, a la Palin, you try to frighten and stampede people. Where is the proof of anything you say?

3)Iraq-tens of thousands of humans lost their lives because a Republican administration misled the country into an unjust was. We have spent a trillion dollars there and we are stuck trying to exit.

Healthcare Reform - millions of Americans will get life saving treatments and be protected from insurance companies denying them insurance because they are or were once sick. HCR will save $260 billion according to the non-partisan CBO over ten years.

Sounds like the same thing to me!

Posted by: BobSanderson | January 18, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

bert8;; you know nothing about me;; I know the only time you yell OUCH in the dentist chair is when they hit A NERVE;;

Posted by: Nobama11 | January 18, 2011 7:46 PM | Report abuse

To paraphrase Lincoln "this government of the the government, by the government, and for the government shall not..................."

Posted by: nanonano1 | January 18, 2011 7:29 PM | Report abuse

@nobama11 lies through his teeth with:

"Your union BOSSES stole your money;; kinda like this Obama regime is doing."

Q: How many lies can Republicans fit on the tip of a needle? A:many, many, many.

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 7:29 PM | Report abuse

To paraphrase Lincoln "this government of the the government, by the government, and for the government shall not..................."

Posted by: nanonano1 | January 18, 2011 7:28 PM | Report abuse

To paraphrase Lincoln "this government of the the government, by the government, and for the government shall not..................."

Posted by: nanonano1 | January 18, 2011 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Democrats didn't "do a good enough job" in selling health care overhaul

Salesmanship is not required when driving a steamroller.

Posted by: nanonano1 | January 18, 2011 7:24 PM | Report abuse

If something is good for us, "We the People" will buy it and don't need to be sold by a radical liberal elite in Washington, DC.
I know everyone thinks we are all too stupid to understand, but we know when something is not good for us and Obamacare is not one of those things.
Personally, I would trust a used car dealer before I would trust Steny Hoyer!

Posted by: rteske | January 18, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Democrats didn't "do a good enough job" in selling health care overhaul
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They didn't have much to sell!

Posted by: asmith1 | January 18, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Unions have created a serious financial problem in liberal states;; the public sector unions are 2.3 trillion under funded. Teachers, firefighters,cops, SEIU types have been promised too much and they are NOT GOING TO GET IT ALL;I am not paying for someone elses freaking retirement. Your union BOSSES stole your money;; kinda like this Obama regime is doing.

Posted by: Nobama11 | January 18, 2011 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone been paying attention to
England; their system has collapsed; too many users not enough payers;; just like our social security problem; the programs must be privatized to generate enough cash to sustain them; government can not gather enough taxes to pay for it. Socialism [unions] only bankrupts society they DO NOT FIX IT; AND YET IDIOTS continue to try it.

Posted by: Nobama11 | January 18, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

The possibility of legislation ensuring health insurance for most Americans has been around for three or four decades, it's passage attempted hundreds of times.

It was a minor miracle that it passed. Congress will be tinkering with its component parts for the rest of our lives.

"Didn't sell the idea, well enough."???

Are you familiar with US politics and government?

Posted by: wherehaveallthejobsgone | January 18, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Walker;; check back with us in 2012; see how it has gone for the immoral minority[[dems]].
Two things will happen;; 1.] the conservatives will push Obumbler into making more unconstitutional/illegal moves
2.] the house owns the purse stings; "so no money, no honey; walker." We will see whose as-- is lame.

Posted by: Nobama11 | January 18, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Tinyjab14 - Why are humans "children" when they are 26, but can marry in some states at 13. Must be a definitional thingy.

Posted by: IQ168 | January 18, 2011 6:20 PM | Report abuse

@steelers01


Republican Lies in this thread:

(1) "POWER GRAB BY the Kenyan;; he wants SINGLE PAYER[[GOVERNMENT RUN ] HEALTH CARE. IT IS exactly what Britain is getting ready to overhaul and fix;; IT DOES NOT WORK."

(2) "...worst piece of legislation ever passed by hook and crook. Who can forget the bribes and back room, closed door ramming that was done by the puke liberals. The reason...they knew they were passing a pig....and the libs paid dearly in the midterm elections. The only question remains what happens in the Senate to see who will be bounced out in 2012 for voting no to the complete repeal...."

(3) "Fabian tactics to a revolutionary grab for power. The Secretary of HHHS actually has as much regulatory power as the Secretary of Defense. Can you spell overreach? Medical reform is Obama's Iraq...."

(4) "No, it's the product. It's awful and everyone knows it."

(5) "The Constitional Laws that cleary says The Government cannot make laws for its Citizens unless the Gov't abides by the very same law they pass."

(6) "Dems think we the people can forget a lot in a short time. HCR will not support abortion! A year later it appears like a bad penny from out of the blue? Gee thought ya pulled one over eh.."

(7) "...Pushing for Gov't regulation when everything they have touched is broke... Social Security, Medicad, Medicare, etc"

(8) "Health care reform without addressing the high cost of health care? To add insult to injury, they are making some people subsidize other people's insurance."

(9)"...You can't manufacture a need or desire for someone to buy something if it doesn't already exist in them at the time of the sale. ..."

and this little bit of treason:

(10)" ...The bill would have been easier to sell when the public did not know what was in it...(Same level of knowledge the Democrats had when they passed it).
Now I know that my premiums have gone up this year and healthcare will be a lot more expensive for me going forward than it otherwise would have been.
There are some good parts of the bill but they do not outweigh the bad.
...I imagine many of us will be willing to go to jail rather than to be forced by the government to purchase healthcare...."

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 6:19 PM | Report abuse

The more demonkrats jack-their-jaws (their lips are moving) the more they contradict themselves and prove they either do not know what is in the law or they are lying. Both are dangerous and expensive.

Posted by: IQ168 | January 18, 2011 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Francis Fox Pivens;; she is an avowed communist and one of Obama's idols and mentors;; she wants him overpower the system and recreate BLT government,, shout it from the roof tops;;;;THE COMMIES ARE COMING, THE CO0MMIES ARE COMING, THE COMMIES ARE COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These are people NOW publicly lecturing on communism for America. She calls us the HERDS OF PEOPLE; up yours you commie bi--h

Posted by: Nobama11 | January 18, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

It's really hard to sell fertilizer to a watch maker. You could smell it before you even opened the door. It basically stunk to high heaven! You can't force-feed the public something it neither wants nor can afford by method of penalties.

Posted by: garybelcher1 | January 18, 2011 6:09 PM | Report abuse

As a conservative Republican, I personally like Steny Hoyer. As a former California Democrat, people like Pelousi made me pewk.

Steny, I'll be the first to admit, that there are some parts of the bill that are worthy. Most of the parts of the bill, well, it's like thinking that you went to bed with the prom queen and the next morning, waking up next to the Prom Thing.

Let's look at all the wonderful things that Nancy Pelousi and the rest of your party brought us:

Stealing 1/2 trillion dedicated tax dollars from the Medicare Trust Fund and using it for people who haven't contributed a dime.

Keeping those who are over 23, on their parent's policies. What ever happened to "personal responsibility?"

Tax on Investment income

Tax on over-the-counter drugs / Medicine Cabinet Tax

Tax on Comprehensive policies

Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax

HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike

Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka "Special Needs Kids Tax"

Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers

Raising the Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI

Tax on Indoor Tanning Services (which is racial in nature)

Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage.

Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike - Can't spend more than 15% of premium revenues on rents, infrastructure, salaries, overhead and IT.

Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals ($50,000 per hospital if they fail to meet new
"community health assessment needs - the new CRA)

Tax on Innovator Drug Companies

Tax on Health Insurers

$500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives (Which is horsefeathers. Insurance companies are corporations and its officers are responsible to the stockholders, not the US Government.)

Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2

Corporate 1099-MISC Information Reporting

“Black liquor” bio-fuel tax hike

Codification of the “economic substance doctrine” (This provision allows the IRS to
disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the
action lacks “substance” and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed.)

Yeah Steny. We now see what's in it, now that you passed it. We'll throw the rest of you clowns out of office if it isn't repealed by the end of this session of Congress.

This is my money and I earned it the hard way. It isn't to support some loser or his/her family, because they didn't work as hard as I did or have the same opportunities as I. You see, I have been on the back-end of life, due to 40 years of "Affirmative Action." Screw them and let them get to work.

By the way, where's the jobs? Want to know what you created. Go to the King-Drew Medical Center in Los Angeles. Take a ticket and maybe they'll get to you by the end of the week.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | January 18, 2011 6:09 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is a waste of space and money party that will just spend the next two years twidling its thumbs.

The Party of No has become the Party of can't deliver won't deliver.

The GOP is a lame duck congress with no power and lots of hot air.

Posted by: walker1 | January 18, 2011 6:07 PM | Report abuse

@steveiev: Are you writing what you believe is the most compelling argument for abolition?

You are quoting Pelosi out of context when she was asked whether there would be a 'public option'? The House, at the time, was Democratic and wanted a 'public option'. The Senate was stymied by the same stupid filibuster rules as today and couldn't get a consensus for a 'public option'. That's why she said that you would know what's in it once it gets passed.

But, since you get your news from Fox, and can't read more than a sentence at a time, you wouldn't know any of that.

If the Republicans aren't blatantly lying, they are passively misinterpreting and quoting out of context. Never do they make a coherent argument or present a reasonable alternative.

The bill that now stands is largely similar to Massachusetts bill on Health Insurance which was proposed and passed by a Republican Government.

Try and deal with that.

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 6:05 PM | Report abuse


Hoyer, You can put lipstick on a pig (Healthcare bill) but it's still a pig.

Posted by: janet8 | January 18, 2011 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Wow, these lib/dems are really "thick" between the ears. We know what's in it anD 65% DO NOT WANT SOCIALIZED MEDS. 20 MILLION are going to be forced into E.R.medicaid fools. SHOUT FROM THE ROOF TOPS;; THE commies are coming, the commies are coming!!!!!!!!! The whole delusion is a massive POWER GRAB BY the Kenyan;; he wants SINGLE PAYER[[GOVERNMENT RUN ] HEALTH CARE. IT IS exactly what Britain is getting ready to overhaul and fix;; IT DOES NOT WORK.

Posted by: Nobama11 | January 18, 2011 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Steny Hoyer should be ashamed for not clearly calling the Republicans liars about nearly every assertion they have made about the Healthcare Insurance Reform Bill.
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Other than the death panels.....let's hear what you believe were lies told by the republicans. My guess is that you can't name even one.

Posted by: steelers01 | January 18, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

How could you "sell it" Steny, your own boss said we have to pass it to see what's in it!
Are you a moron? I'm asking rhetorically, I know that you are.

Posted by: steveiev | January 18, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Republicans, who would kill a bill passed by both houses of Congress are very uncivil and should be dismissed from even discussing its Abolition.

It is pretty clear to this observer that this is a Kabuki dance meant to weaken the Democrats who could not themselves defend Dog food for Dogs if given half a chance.

Steny Hoyer should be ashamed for not clearly calling the Republicans liars about nearly every assertion they have made about the Healthcare Insurance Reform Bill.

But, then, Steny Hoyer wants to appear above the fray.

But, you can't be above the fray when a bunch of bullies like Boehner and McConnell desperately lie to disguise their contempt for workers, Democracy, those with Middle or Low incomes, Blacks, and anyone without health insurance.

Hoyer and Obama don't understand street fighting with rich bullies. They didn't grow up on the streets. They could learn something from the rank-and-file Democrats that Obama calls "purist".

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Naturally the polls are going up for the bill; the Mainstream Media is out hawking and hyping it again.

Posted by: JAH3 | January 18, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

This bill will create almost 400,000 jobs almost immediately. Fooled ya!

Posted by: carolinadreams | January 18, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse
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That is a joke I hope. This pig of a bill may be the worst piece of legislation ever passed by hook and crook. Who can forget the bribes and back room, closed door ramming that was done by the puke liberals. The reason...they knew they were passing a pig....and the libs paid dearly in the midterm elections. The only question remains what happens in the Senate to see who will be bounced out in 2012 for voting no to the complete repeal.

Posted by: steelers01 | January 18, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't this the bill that the shrew, Pelosi said all could read the bill after it had been passed? This is a very uncivil, arrogant and pathetic statement. Kill the whole damn bill, start over and ignore the bloody socialists

Posted by: nomobarry | January 18, 2011 5:30 PM | Report abuse

This bill was not sold at all to the American public. Through osmosis Americans are beginning to learn about the true benefits and the polling in support has swung upward.

Republicans can't control their lying (Remember Palin's "Death Panels".)it is in the party DNA so adults have to tell the truth to the nation.

The Democrats need to stop announcing they are going to sell the bill and JUST DO IT!

Posted by: BobSanderson | January 18, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

This is the fundamental reason that Hoyer and the Democrats cannot get the message out about the healthcare compromise.

Of course it is a flawed bill: But, the Republicans keep lying and lying and lying and lying about the bill and its features.

The Republicans are also lying and lying and lying about their history in this legislative area, and their stonewalling against the better interests of most of the working people in the country for the better part of a Century.

Obama starts to look like a saint (which he absolutely is NOT), when you compare him to the lying, kniving, cheating Republicans (see further down the thread for proof).

I know these tactics. They are disgusting.

And that's precisely why Steny and the Dems. can't get their message out. You can't piss on a skunk without acting like a skunk. The Republican lying can only be refuted by calling them liars.

And, neither Steny nor Obama want to go that low.

But, the Republicans have no such compunctions.

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 5:04 PM | Report abuse

All Republican have seizure disorder and must hit the submit button multiple times to ensure that their tortured message gets across.

This is in addition to the Republicans all being liars.

I will continue to survey the signs they show on this blog of psychiatric and neurologic features that are diagnosable.

I feel certain that they present with grandiosity and pathologic lying, but we now must add this spastic submit button feature to their list of symptoms.

Truth telling is not a Republican forte.

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Incredible. The Democrats went from Fabian tactics to a revolutionary grab for power. The Secretary of HHHS actually has as much regulatory power as the Secretary of Defense. Can you spell overreach? Medical reform is Obama's Iraq.

Posted by: RobbyS | January 18, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Incredible. The Democrats went from Fabian tactics to a revolutionary grab for power. The Secretary of HHHS actually has as much regulatory power as the Secretary of Defense. Can you spell overreach? Medical reform is Obama's Iraq.

Posted by: RobbyS | January 18, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Incredible. The Democrats went from Fabian tactics to a revolutionary grab for power. The Secretary of HHHS actually has as much regulatory power as the Secretary of Defense. Can you spell overreach? Medical reform is Obama's Iraq.

Posted by: RobbyS | January 18, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Incredible. The Democrats went from Fabian tactics to a revolutionary grab for power. The Secretary of HHHS actually has as much regulatory power as the Secretary of Defense. Can you spell overreach? Medical reform is Obama's Iraq.

Posted by: RobbyS | January 18, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Incredible. The Democrats went from Fabian tactics to a revolutionary grab for power. The Secretary of HHHS actually has as much regulatory power as the Secretary of Defense. Can you spell overreach? Medical reform is Obama's Iraq.

Posted by: RobbyS | January 18, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

This bill will create almost 400,000 jobs almost immediately. Fooled ya!

Posted by: carolinadreams | January 18, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse


They did a fine job selling it.

They didn't do a very good job of paying for it.


Posted by: postfan1 | January 18, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Like I said earlier, the Republicans lie and lie and lie about the Health Plan that has passed.

Look at the Republican lying history on health:

(1) Fluoridated water will 'kill' you and is a socialist plot.

(2) The Health Insurance Plan of New York is 'socialized' medicine, and it will slide us down the slippery slope toward 'communism'.

(3) The Massachusetts health plan is evil because it commands that all citizens of the Commonwealth purchase insurance or pay a tax!

[never mind that this Massachusetts plan was authored by a Republican: Ignore that man behind the Curtain!].

Republicans lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

The American people did not do a good enough job "selling" way they wanted - the Democrats weren't interested and neither were the Republicans.


The American people wanted a government administered plan like Medicare - for everyone. (72% - CBS/New York Times poll June 2009).

Now, the Democrats have a program few people will defend, because it is an absolutely terrible piece of legislation. The 'reform' did little to help the American people, saddled the American people with more expense, 'mandated' the American people become 'customers' of the private sector insurance companies and required the American people to contribute 20% to the overhead of the insurance companies - by law such overhead could be used for lobbying, campaign contributions to 'sympathetic candidates', for sitting on "Boards" established to set rates, etc.

The American people didnt do a good enough job of "selling" what they wanted.

But, no matter what the American people wanted, elected officials wanted none of it. Wasting a majority in both the House and the Senate and the Presidency, the Democrats said "We aint buying what you want, people." Obama didnt raise a finger. Max Baucus blocked proponents from even appearing before his Committee. The Republcans sent gun totters to Town Halls to stop anyone from speaking.

No elected officials paid any attention to what the American people wanted.

Now, the Republicans are pretending to want to repeal the 'reform', and the Democrats are pretending to drum up 'support' for the law. But neither of these parties "bought" what the American people wanted.

Why do I say 'pretend'? Because neither party's elected officials can afford the consequences should the 'reform' actually be repealed. Neither party wants the private for-profit insurance industry to lose its 20% guaranteed overhead rate, its guaranteed federal funding and its hundreds of thousands of 'mandated' customers.

So, the pretense continues. The 'debate' is about 'death panels', pre-existing conditions, etc. But, you will notice, the 'debate' is not about the most costly feature of the 'reform' - i.e. the cost of the private sector guarantee, that the private sector will get its 20% for for lobbying, campaign contributions to 'sympathetic candidates', for sitting on "Boards" established to set rates, etc.

Feather bedding the private insurance companies with tax dollars is a 'given'. Health care is negotiable.

So, the Democrats did not do a very good job of 'selling' the reform, because the American people knew it wasnt worth the price. And Republicans cant 'fulfill' their campaign promise to 'repeal', because their constituency (private for-profit insurers) dont want to lose the government largess.

The losers are the American people, who have to live with the scenario: high overhead (we pay 20% more for health care than we need to getting essentially $ 80 of care for $100) and poor health care. No thanks Democrats. No thanks Republicans.

Posted by: theworm1 | January 18, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

This is like a a Mad Men episode.

Democrats:

"We just had a message problem, that's all."

Don Draper:

"No, it's the product. It's awful and everyone knows it."

Democrats:

"We just need to sell it again, better this time."

Don Draper:

"Ugh...You can't sell dog poop. I need a drink. Is it 10 AM yet?"

If you have the Presidency, Congress, all the MSM pushing a plan and teh public still won't buy it.

You have a dog poop problem.

Posted by: drjcarlucci | January 18, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Steny,

You may have to be impolite and call the Republicans what they are --- LIARS.

On health care, they lie out of both sides of their mouths at the same time. And, if they catch themselves telling the truth, they tell another lie just to keep in practice!

Posted by: JohninConnecticut | January 18, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

JWTX wrote: "The first Fatal Grand Mistake Obama an Pelosi an Boehner was to completely ignor The Constitional Laws that cleary says The Government cannot make laws for its Citizens unless the Gov't abides by the very same law they pass."

Hmmm. to which "constitutional law" do you refer?

Posted by: RufusPlimpton | January 18, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Repubs. have been complaining about socialized medicine in America since 1947:

http://tinyurl.com/4movs4f

The problem with the Republicans is that they don't get it that people have to be healthy to be productive... and if people don't have health, they won't be able to vote or participate in a Democracy, either.

So, I guess that's the scheme: The Repubs. want only the healthy who don't need insurance (or can afford it) to vote.

Let all others die. That's the Republican 'health' plan.

It permits health only for rich Republicans.

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Dems think we the people can forget a lot in a short time. HCR will not support abortion! A year later it appears like a bad penny from out of the blue? Gee thought ya pulled one over eh..To change the name of a skunk to a rose will not pass the smell test and the aroma from this piece of crap bill is just growing...scrap it and start over this time let the adults run the show this time!!!

Posted by: independent31 | January 18, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I have wondered for sometime what alternative universe those like Hoyer live in!
- Ignoring our fiscal failures (meaning we are broke)
- Ignoring the last election results ( I guess they need to lose another 60+ seats)
- Pushing for Gov't regulation when everything they have touched is broke... Social Security, Medicad, Medicare, etc

Posted by: NeoConVeteran | January 18, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

No kidding!. Lucky the Republicans are giving the Dems a second chance and this time they have to explain it well.

Posted by: interactingdc | January 18, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Why did the dems not run on the HCR Bill in the 2010 election? Why did the dems run from town halls? IF truth be told this bill can not pass the smell test, and changing a skunks name to rose does not alter the aroma! Scrap this crap and start over!!!

Posted by: independent31 | January 18, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats should spend less time selling and whining, and more time writing better legislation.

Health care reform without addressing the high cost of health care? To add insult to injury, they are making some people subsidize other people's insurance.

They completely missed the boat.

Posted by: postfan1 | January 18, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I want to inform Democrats that this little Obamacare issue has another bright spot. You see this country is broke and we all have to make sacrifices. If you thought enough of us to give us Obamacare we are going to return the favor. Please understand that belt tightening affects us all. Voters in the 2012 election process will be pushing for Congress to be included in Obamacare. That special little Cadillac version of Congress's health care needs to go away. It's our way of showing Congress our eternal gratitude for Obmacare. You wouldn't want another voter backlash now would you?

Posted by: Desertdiva1 | January 18, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Hoyer,

I'd like to suggest the following method to help Americans understand the health care overhaul.

• Bullet points.

I know that sounds violent and polarizing, but as any Marketing 101 student can tell you, if you can't break down your product into benefits, features and its USP or Unique Selling Proposition, then your message will be confused and confusing.

Unfortunately Republicans know how to do bullet points, they just don't want to serve in the interest of all the American people, just the vested interests that got them into office.

Steny...pssst...bullet...points. Try it.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | January 18, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Having been in big ticket item sales since before graduating from college more then 45 years ago I can say without equivocation that if you can't sell a nationwide majority of people on a subject after 2+ years of trying with all the power and expertise that goes with having the main stream media on your side then you never will be able to sell them. In fact, the harder you try the more suspicious they will become and the more they will become hardened to your efforts.

You can't manufacture a need or desire for someone to buy something if it doesn't already exist in them at the time of the sale. Obviously there simply wasn't enough need or desire for the particular product you were trying to sell. That, and the methods that were used doomed you failure, and will continue to do so.

Posted by: Sproing | January 18, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

You have got to love the Democrats. Hoyer admits the problem in not selling the great benefits of health care reform and cavalierly passes up that opportunity to begin re-selling health care reform.

The lamest Republican in the same situation would have started with listing the best talking points on the benefits of the bill and then ended that we need to do a better job of making clear the great benefits to our nation.

This bill would have sold itself of Americans knew what was in it.

Posted by: FoundingMother | January 18, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The first Fatal Grand Mistake Obama an Pelosi an Boehner was to completely ignor The Constitional Laws that cleary says The Government cannot make laws for its Citizens unless the Gov't abides by the very same law they pass. This I do know that Boehner Purjured himself on National TV that Gongress does not have to have the New Health Care Bill, that Gongress has there own health care. That there in of itself killed the whole Bill. Health Care they wanted it was suite them an was our demise.

Posted by: JWTX | January 18, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The first Fatal Grand Mistake Obama an Pelosi an Boehner was to completely ignor The Constitional Laws that cleary says The Government cannot make laws for its Citizens unless the Gov't abides by the very same law they pass. This I do know that Boehner Purjured himself on National TV that Gongress does not have to have the New Health Care Bill, that Gongress has there own health care. That there in of itself killed the whole Bill. Health Care they wanted it was suite them an was our demise.

Posted by: JWTX | January 18, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

The first Fatal Grand Mistake Obama an Pelosi an Boehner was to completely ignor The Constitional Laws that cleary says The Government cannot make laws for its Citizens unless the Gov't abides by the very same law they pass. This I do know that Boehner Purjured himself on National TV that Gongress does not have to have the New Health Care Bill, that Gongress has there own health care. That there in of itself killed the whole Bill. Health Care they wanted it was suite them an was our demise.

Posted by: JWTX | January 18, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

The first Fatal Grand Mistake Obama an Pelosi an Boehner was to completely ignor The Constitional Laws that cleary says The Government cannot make laws for its Citizens unless the Gov't abides by the very same law they pass. This I do know that Boehner Purjured himself on National TV that Gongress does not have to have the New Health Care Bill, that Gongress has there own health care. That there in of itself killed the whole Bill. Health Care they way they wanted it was suite them an not us.

Posted by: JWTX | January 18, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

What unbelievable arrogance! Hoyer(as well as many Democrats including the President) say they didn't do a good enough job in selling their Healthcare bill!! For two years they did NOTHING but TRY to sell their ideas to take over 1/6 of the economy. Their problem is that voters DO understand it and REJECT it (latest Rasmussen Poll is steady at 57% of likely voters want it REPEALED). Get over it, and don't bring it up again!

Posted by: BrerFox | January 18, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Having been in big ticket item sales since before graduating from college more then 45 years ago I can say without equivocation that if you can't sell a nationwide majority of people on a subject after 2+ years of trying with all the power and expertise that goes with having the main stream media on your side then you never will be able to sell them. In fact, the harder you try the more suspicious they will become and the more they will become hardened to your efforts.

You can't manufacture a need or desire for someone to buy something if it doesn't already exist in them at the time of the sale. Obviously there simply wasn't enough need or desire for the particular product you were trying to sell. That, and the methods that were used doomed you failure, and will continue to do so.

Posted by: Sproing | January 18, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

The first Fatal Grand Mistake Obama an Pelosi an Boehner was to completely ignor The Constitional Laws that cleary says The Government cannot make laws for its Citizens unless the Gov't abides by the very same law they pass. This I do know that Boehner Purjured himself on National TV that Gongress does not have to have the New Health Care Bill, that Gongress has there own health care. That there in of itself killed the whole Bill. Health Care they way they wanted it was suite them an not us.

Posted by: JWTX | January 18, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I WANT to support a health care bill, but they cannot balance the cost on the backs of people getting close to needing Medicare. I have worked hard all my life and will need Medicare when I retire. A lot of good Dems are concerned that is what the bill is all about. Not only has my party failed to sell it, they have scared their own supporters. In addition, the 1099 specification is so stupid, I am stunned someone was dumb enough to include such a toxic element.

Posted by: Searching3 | January 18, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Having a hell of a lot more education that a guy that is engaged in big ticket sales from 45 years ago, I can tell you that the Republicans know nothing, and I mean nothing about healthcare.

But, what they don't know, they will lie about. So, America will come out thinking we have the best healthcare system in the world (which it is not) and that fluorides in the water are dangerous (which they are not) and that Obama is a socialist (which he is not).

I have never seen such naked lying in my 56 years on this earth!

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

What unbelievable arrogance! Hoyer(as well as many Democrats including the President) say they didn't do a good enough job in selling their Healthcare bill!! For two years they did NOTHING but TRY to sell their ideas to take over 1/6 of the economy. Their problem is that voters DO understand it and REJECT it (latest Rasmussen Poll is steady at 57% of likely voters want it REPEALED). Get over it, and don't bring it up again!

Posted by: BrerFox | January 18, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Having been in big ticket item sales since before graduating from college, more then 45 years ago, I can say without equivocation that if you can't sell a nationwide majority of people on a subject after 2+ years of trying with all the power and expertise that goes with having the main stream media on your side then you never will be able to sell them. In fact, the harder you try the more suspicious they will become and the more they will become hardened to your efforts.

You can't manufacture a need or desire for someone to buy something if it doesn't already exist in them at the time of the sale. Obviously there simply wasn't enough need or desire for the particular product you were trying to sell. That, and the methods that were used doomed you failure, and will continue to do so.

Posted by: Sproing | January 18, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I WANT to support a health care bill, but they cannot balance the cost on the backs of people getting close to needing Medicare. I have worked hard all my life and will need Medicare when I retire. A lot of good Dems are concerned that is what the bill is all about. Not only has my party failed to sell it, they have scared their own supporters. In addition, the 1099 specification is so stupid, I am stunned someone was dumb enough to include such a toxic element.

Posted by: Searching3 | January 18, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

It's not the failure to sell health care reform. It's the failure to actually reform health care. We expected something better and got a monstrosity.

Posted by: reiley | January 18, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Having been in big ticket item sales since before graduating from college more then 45 years ago I can say without equivocation that if you can't sell a nationwide majority of people on a subject after 2+ years of trying with all the power and expertise that goes with having the main stream media on your side then you never will be able to sell them. In fact, the harder you try the more suspicious they will become and the more they will become hardened to your efforts.

You can't manufacture a need or desire for someone to buy something if it doesn't already exist in them at the time of the sale. Obviously there simply wasn't enough need or desire for the particular product you were trying to sell. That, and the methods that were used doomed you failure, and will continue to do so.

Posted by: Sproing | January 18, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Having been in big ticket item sales since before graduating from college more then 45 years ago I can say without equivocation that if you can't sell a nationwide majority of people on a subject after 2+ years of trying with all the power and expertise that goes with having the main stream media on your side then you never will be able to sell them. In fact, the harder you try the more suspicious they will become and the more they will become hardened to your efforts.

You can't manufacture a need or desire for someone to buy something if it doesn't already exist in them at the time of the sale. Obviously there simply wasn't enough need or desire for the particular product you were trying to sell. That, and the methods that were used doomed you failure, and will continue to do so.

Posted by: Sproing | January 18, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Steny Hoyer is a big part of the problem. He himself does not seem to know the history of 'socialized medicine' in the United States. Since he never joined a union he is probably not familiar with how hard unions fought to get healthcare for members from employers. Since he is not a doctor, he probably is unfamiliar with how frequently the uninsured appear in emergency rooms with no medical history or history of work-up to guide treating physicians. Since he has probably never been uninsured he probably does not know what it is like to bleed after an accident in an emergency room and try to wait to be stitched up until some functionary can figure out the insurance issues. And, since he is not a researcher, he probably does not understand how a bungled, patchwork quilt of medical record keeping without uniform treatment standards can make it impossible to understand which drugs work and which don't. The point is that these Congressmen are not very smart. They have virtually no life experience and we ask them to make big decisions for us: And, they make these on the basis of campaigns they hear on radio and TV spots about how bad it is to fluoridate the water, or how teenagers shouldn't have sex, but ought not to be allowed to access birth control, and the ultimate: HMOs are socialized medicine and give poorer care than 'private' physicians.

So, Steny Hoyer is a very large part of the problem.

Posted by: bert8 | January 18, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats did a weak job of selling the health care reform, to be sure. They allowed the party of NO to gain the upper hand and control the discussion. The truth of the matter is that Republicans were wrong then and are still wrong today. The public is learning more about the benefits of the plan and they are less interested in losing those benefits.

Repeal will never pass. This is an act of political theater to appease the Tea Party crowd. It is a waste of time, plain and simple. We have huge issues that need discussion and solution, but we must amuse this pack of fools who will lose over and over again on repeal. Insanity is said to be doing the same thing over and over expecting the outcome to change. Weeper Boehner will do just that. Move on, not backward.

Posted by: ronjeske | January 18, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama got elected along with a bunch of other Liberals - the Left forced Health Care on Obama despite economic upheaval and unemployment ballooning - Obama and the Liberals paid the price in 2010 - let's make Health Care the issue it should be - way down the list of priorities.

Posted by: jimkearney19761 | January 18, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama got elected along with a bunch of other Liberals - the Left forced Health Care on Obama despite economic upheaval and unemployment ballooning - Obama and the Liberals paid the price in 2010 - let's make Health Care the issue it should be - way down the list of priorities.

Posted by: jimkearney19761 | January 18, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Congressman, I have some news for you. Democrats have been friggin' lousy with telling the American people what's up in D.C. for about 30 years.

Do you really think things would be this bad if you had stood up to the destructive right-wing rabble and told the American people what these guys are doing to us?

How about simply asking the right-wingers to show us some proof for their outrageous claims in front of a camera? Things like John Boehner's current collection of manufactured anti-health care reform figures, the ones his own staff made up for him.

The right-wingers are trashing this country even worse every day but I hold the Democrats equally accountable because you people didn't do enough to stop the looting.

Posted by: PoliticalPrisoner2012 | January 18, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

It's not too late for the Dems to sell the health care bill. They should simply write a summary of the features and benefits of the bill. Dems need to have enough confidence in this bill to sell it to the American people. The attempt by the GOP to repeal the health care bill should be used as an opportunity by the Dems to make the case it. It's not too late.

Posted by: OhMy | January 18, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

WmLaney wrote: As a former strategist myself... keep it simple. Adding 40 million Americans to the healthcare matrix is a jobs bill. Think about it.
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I am thinking about it. I'm thinking that Democrats put absolutely no thought into writing this bill. There aren't enough doctors and nurses today so let's add 40 million new patients and what will you get? Chaos and angry consumers with brand new shiny health care coverage that they can't use. I put more thought into what I will wear today than legislators did for this worthless bill. Did Democrats prepare for 40 million new consumers in any way? Are we turning out more doctors? More nurses? How about pharmacists, PT, OT providers? More hospitals and clinics? No let's just let everyone stand in line waiting for care like the Soviets used to do for bread. The utter lack of planning by Democrats is beyond incredulous it's criminal. These people will expect health care and you have nothing in place to provide it but 2000 pages of paper.

If this health care bill doesn't get repealed I hope Boehner and the Republicans stand back and allow Democrats to deal with the mess they have created. Oh yes indeed the rancor hasn't even begun to happen until 40 million people find an empty promise from Democrats.

Posted by: Desertdiva1 | January 18, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Hoyer's arrogance approaches that of Obama. The problem was not a "failure to explain" the law, the problem was that a 2000+ page bill was passed without having been read by anyone, including the Dear Leader. The problem was the overreaching by a bunch of radical-left loonies, posing as Congressmen and Senators, who rammed through a stupid piece of legislation without even proof-reading it. The problem was a Bill that ignores health-care in favor of chasing health insurance. The problem was (and is) a juvenile Democrat Party whose total cognitive ability consists of poster-slogans and the ability to throw temper-tqntrums. The problem is that those who secretly schemed for Obamacare were not concerned with health care or the public; their goal was a vast expansion of central government power over our lives and property. No, Mr. Hoyer, the problem is not a failure to explain, the problem is that THINKING Americans all opposed this incredibly unconstitutional and stupid legislation.

Posted by: MARKM2 | January 18, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

It's not too late for the Dems to sell their health care bil. What's keepig them from it? A summary of the highlights and benefits of this bill would be easy enough to write.

Posted by: OhMy | January 18, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Gee Steny - maybe if it were not written in smoke ridden back rooms and open to the 'transparency' that was promised by Nobama..maybe if you Dems had actually read the thing before you voted on it - maybe if it were a bi-partisan process....Many a dems - many a lawyers still do not know whats in there.

Posted by: short1 | January 18, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Hoyer, are you a fool? (don't answer that, the majority of Americans know the answer).
A good product sells itself!

Posted by: senatorgoofy | January 18, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Illinois hasn't done a good enough job "selling" their 67% state income tax hike.

That's all it is - people just don't understand how good it is.

Posted by: thinker16 | January 18, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Hoyer, you are the Democrats you are talking about. You were in leadership position, and you and your members were running away from the health Care issue during the last elections.

Posted by: drsam8 | January 18, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Hoyer-you can't polish a turd.

Posted by: THINKbeforeyouvote12 | January 18, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

The lamest Republican in the same situation would have started with listing the best talking points on the benefits of the bill and then ended that we need to do a better job of making clear the great benefits to our nation.
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The BEST Republican hasn't done that yet. They didn't do it when the Dems were trying to talk to them about Healthcare Reform. All the GOP did was get in lock-step with each other and say NO to any and all ideas proposed. When Obama met with the GOP one on one in that televised session, it was clear that the GOP had no plan (How surprising...the party of NO has NO ideas).

Now the GOP is trying to waste time and my tax dollars by focusing on BS (Repeal of Health Care Reform) while more and more Americans lose their jobs and their homes.

Everything they do is a farce and the BEST Republican still has not stepped forward and stated how they plan on creating jobs. Repealing health care reform is not the answer....it's not even prevalent. J-O-B-S NOW....or 2012 will be a "shellacking" alright.

Posted by: massmedia77 | January 18, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"Adding 40 million Americans to the healthcare matrix is a jobs bill. Think about it. "

Well, if that's the case, add the entire world to the health care law. Imagine the jobs it would create then!

Nah, you're being less than truthful saying this is a job bill. Its a job killer.

Posted by: Skeptic1 | January 18, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

As currently structured it guarantees Democratic losses at the polls in 2012. Democrats are still doing a poor job of selling this turkey and realistically there isn't any way they can. The manner in which Democrats brought out this legislation should serve as a warning to all politicians. The losses in 2010 are a clear evidence of voter displeasure and Democrats need to understand if you continue this charade shellacking part 2 in 2012 will be just as ugly. The repeal vote is to tell the American people who to target for defeat in 2012.

Posted by: Desertdiva1 | January 18, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Instead of trying to sell this lame bill that didn't address the problem, maybe the Democrats should have spent more time writing a bill that addresses the biggest problem with health care today: its expense.

Posted by: postfan1 | January 18, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

You have got to love the Democrats. Hoyer admits the problem in not selling the great benefits of health care reform and cavalierly passes up that opportunity to begin re-selling health care reform.

The lamest Republican in the same situation would have started with listing the best talking points on the benefits of the bill and then ended that we need to do a better job of making clear the great benefits to our nation.

Posted by: FoundingMother | January 18, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

As a former strategist myself... keep it simple. Adding 40 million Americans to the healthcare matrix is a jobs bill. Think about it.

Posted by: WmLaney | January 18, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

You should have done what the GOP did: Lie. Americans seem to love being lied to, they swallow it everytime.

Posted by: jckdoors | January 18, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

The bill would have been easier to sell when the public did not know what was in it...(Same level of knowledge the Democrats had when they passed it).

Now I know that my premiums have gone up this year and healthcare will be a lot more expensive for me going forward than it otherwise would have been.

There are some good parts of the bill but they do not outweigh the bad.

We are stuck with this bill at least until 2012 because a Democratic Senate is in place along with a Democratic president.

The Supreme Court may very well overturn it but that too will take some time.

I wonder how our elected officials concluded that they can force us to buy anything???

What happens if GM (Government Motors) takes a turn for the worse, will they make us buy cars???

I imagine many of us will be willing to go to jail rather than to be forced by the government to purchase healthcare.

Posted by: RandyM1 | January 18, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Hoyer is correct.

But they did a heck of a job extracting campaign money from health care and insurance companies at the expense, as usual, of non-representative voters. And just in time for the Supreme court decision.

Who is he kidding? Health care reform for corporations means higher premiums and higher profits and less competition.

Posted by: wesatch | January 18, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The bill would have been easier to sell when the public did not know what was in it...(Same level of knowledge the Democrats had when they passed it).

Now I know that my premiums have gone up this year and healthcare will be a lot more expensive for me going forward than it otherwise would have been.

There are some good parts of the bill but they do not outweigh the bad.

We are stuck with this bill at least until 2012 because a Democratic Senate is in place along with a Democratic president.

The Supreme Court may very well overturn it but that too will take some time.

I wonder how our elected officials concluded that they can force us to buy anything???

What happens if GM (Government Motors) takes a turn for the worse, will they make us buy cars???

I imagine many of us will be willing to go to jail rather than to be forced by the government to purchase healthcare.

Posted by: RandyM1 | January 18, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

The bill would have been easier to sell when the public did not know what was in it...(Same level of knowledge the Democrats had when they passed it).

Now I know that my premiums have gone up this year and healthcare will be a lot more expensive for me going forward than it otherwise would have been.

There are some good parts of the bill but they do not outweigh the bad.

We are stuck with this bill at least until 2012 because a Democratic Senate is in place along with a Democratic president.

The Supreme Court may very well overturn it but that too will take some time.

I wonder how our elected officials concluded that they can force us to buy anything???

What happens if GM (Government Motors) takes a turn for the worse, will they make us buy cars???

I imagine many of us will be willing to go to jail rather than to be forced by the government to purchase healthcare.

Posted by: RandyM1 | January 18, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats did an even worse job writing it.

Maybe they should have held the debates in public, on CSPAN, and let everybody contribute, instead of cutting back room deals with the health care industry in order to pass an "historic bill".

We sold out the future of health care so that Obama could claim a political victory.

Thanks for NOTHING, O'Bummer.

Posted by: postfan1 | January 18, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

To the good people of St Marys county; thank you for reelecting this clueless man again. When will you people learn that you can't fix the problems he has created if you keep putting him back in office. This person is a professional politician; not a responsive representative.

Posted by: nosuchluck | January 18, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

People are beginning to find out the benefits. The GOP will learn that if they try to repeal planks like the plant that requires insurers to insure people with so-called pre-existing illness, or the plank that allows parents to keep children on their insurance up to age 26, or the plank that says insurers must spend 80% of the premiums they receive on actual health care, or planks like the plank that gradually does away with the donut hole, and there are several others.

The recent AP poll showed that only 25-30% favor repeal. And some of those want repeal because they don't think the law goes far enough.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | January 18, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

He didn't know what was in it before, and probably still doesn't.
We didn't buy it before and we still don't and no amount of "selling" is going to change our minds.
Obviously Hoyer is another dumbocrat who still doesn't understand what happened on November 2nd.

Posted by: sandynh | January 18, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the Democrats were tied up dodging GOP/Tea Party bullets in their effort to make "Obama a one term President."

I believe if the average American knew the Health Care Reform facts they might actually support the bill. Unfortunately, Faux news has worked tirelessly with the GOP in their anti Obama agenda to tell any viewer the truth.

Faux news is not facts news!

Posted by: waxtraxs | January 18, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Why now are the polls showing more people leaning toward the bill. Let's debate. Answer, they are seeing the good in the health care now.

Posted by: gman1030 | January 18, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if the bill hadn't sucked so hard, it'd have been an easier sell.

Posted by: charlesbakerharris | January 18, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

It's not that the Dems didn't do a good job selling it. The American people simply weren't buying it. Nancy Peloski and her comrades in the Democratic party may not have known what's in the bill, but many of us were smart enough to figure it out on our own. Big difference and more proof the Dems just don't have a clue.

Posted by: fishguts | January 18, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Actually Right Wing News and Propaganda Outlets did a real good job of confusing the issues.

Sending our misinformation.

Coupled with making Prejudicial, Racist, Hateful and threatening comments to prevent anyone wanting to do some critical thinking.

the Arizona Terrorist is a symptom of their success.

Posted by: pdq5 | January 18, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

It is very difficult to explain something that you have not read. Could this be the reason?

Posted by: sales7 | January 18, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Gee Steny do you even know what is in the health care law or are you like Nancy, we have to pass the bill to see what's in it, makes it a tough sell huh?

Posted by: rcwsilver | January 18, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

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