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Posted at 6:01 PM ET, 01/11/2011

Jared Loughner's family issues statement: 'We wish we could change the heinous events'

By Krissah Thompson

The family of Tucson shooting suspect Jared Loughner handed out a written statement to reporters standing in front of their home late Tuesday afternoon. A man, who appeared to be a representative of the family, walked out of the home and provided this statement, which reads:

This is a very difficult time for us. We ask the media to respect our privacy. There are no words that can possibly express how we feel. We wish that there were, so we could make you feel better. We don't understand why this happened. It may not make any difference, but we wish that we could change the heinous events Saturday. We care very deeply about the victims and their families. We are so very sorry for their loss.
Thank you, the Loughner Family

The man who passed out the statement did not answer any questions.

By Krissah Thompson  | January 11, 2011; 6:01 PM ET
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I don't blame the family, I blame the politicians who've made it look like assassination is acceptable in American politics.

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | January 15, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I am amazed at the LACK of "Intelligence" of people in govt., the media, reporters, radio-talk-hosts, etc. Finally, a Commenter in HERE (ulouieloui) put a "LABEL" on Jared Loughner's mental condition - Jared has Schizophrenia, which USUALLY does not show up until latter teens or early 20's. This had NOTHING to do with REAL politics. Jered's mind was in too much CHAOS, CONFUSION, & PSYCHOSIS to be able to comprehend the actual daily workings of politics. Jared was "incapable" of enough common Intelligence & common sense to understand politics -OR- interact socially. Jered somehow became obsessed w/Giffords. He turned his psychotic, crazy ANGER upon her & anything surrounding her. In his head, he felt ALL ALONE, having been REJECTED by a community college, US Army, etc. At such a young age, what else was left in his life to give him Self-Esteem & Self-Respect? Did Jared have a JOB? He was a NON-productive young man with a mind & life simply WASTING away. My SOLUTION IS: There should be a city, state & national Data Base with an "800" PHONE contact started & maintained, for citizens who DISPLAY "psychotic" or out-of-the-ordinary WEIRD behavior. Every time they act psychotic or super-weird, the "800" can be called & a clerk keys in the behavior. If a person gets TOO many "points," a social-worker or mental health professional VISITS them. My ADVICE: Parents LOVE & HUG your KIDS every single day of their lives!!!!

Posted by: yello222 | January 12, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

. .I am amazed at the LACK of "Intelligence" of people in govt., the media, reporters, radio-talk-hosts, etc. Finally, a Commenter in HERE (ulouieloui) put a 'LABEL' on Jared Loughner's mental condition - Jared has Schizophrenia, which USUALLY does not show up until latter teens or early 20's. This had NOTHING to do with REAL politics. Jered's mind was in too much CHAOS, CONFUSION, & PSYCHOSIS to be able to comprehend the actual daily workings of politics. He did NOT have enough common Intelligence to understand politics -OR- interact socially. Jered somehow became obsessed w/Giffords. He turned his psychotic, crazy ANGER upon her & anything surrounding her. In his head, he felt ALL ALONE, having been REJECTED by a community college, US Army, etc. At such a young age, what else was left in his life to give him Self-Esteem & Self-Respect? Did Jared have a JOB? He appeared to be a NON-productive young man.
His mind & life were simply WASTING away.

My SOLUTION IS: There should be a city, state & national Data Base with an "800" PHONE contact started & maintained, for citizens who DISPLAY "psychotic" or out-of-the-ordinary WEIRD behavior. Every time they act psychotic or super-weird, the "800" can be called & a clerk keys in the behavior. If a person gets TOO many "points," a social-worker, or mental health professional VISITS them. My ADVICE: Parents LOVE & HUG your KIDS every single day of their lives!!!!


Posted by: yello222 | January 12, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I curse those of you who blame the parents. No one would wish such a thing for their child.

polliwog2frog is absolutely right. The police don't do anything preventive. Instead they are reactive. And if you can get help, the patient will be shoved out onto the street as soon as his/her insurance runs out--no matter what their condition. If anyone--anyone at all--tells you differently, either they do not know, or they have lied.

Posted by: LHHeadJr | January 12, 2011 5:58 PM | Report abuse

For those who blame the parents for not doing something about Jared, what were they supposed to do given the facilities NOT available in AZ? They apparently tried to do something by contacting authorities, but the AZ budget for mental health services had been cut to a small fraction of what was necessary by those who felt people should be responsible for themselves.

Posted by: dkmjr | January 12, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

The parents commented that they had no idea how their son could have brutally murdered innocent people ???, They are at fault for the lifestyle they are living.
The Mother and Father are retro hippies that use drugs and did NOT believe in correcting or diciplining an out of control child, The Sheriff admits to several encounters with the kid and that raises the question why didn't he do something instead of pointing the finger at Sarah Palin and the Tea Party after the fact?
There are lots of unanswered questions about the shooters motive but it can be found in the family home.
Probably the last assassination of the 60's.

Posted by: FloridaCracker | January 12, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the double hit on this blog but I have often wondered how someone does that, now I know.
I just noticed the mother who said she has a mental ill child. In there she mentions that she blames O'Rielly and other talk personalities of the right for making this tragedy political. It is with great respect but it was the left who made this political from day one starting with a radical left sheriff blaming totally innocent people for their rhetoric. Yes it was a sick boy who committed this terrible crime. But the tragedy was exploited by a left trying to keep people from expressing their views. It was not rhetoric that bought a gun and planned to kill people. It is sick to blame Sarah Palin for a target map when the Democrats had a similar map. This was clearly the left making accusations not the reverse.
The free expression of ones views is what has made this country great. People should continue to stand up and say when government has over reached. Anyone who does that is doing nothing wrong. I question the motive and evil intent of someone blaming a totally innocent person for this tragedy. Really look around and see who is doing that and you will find the left. I have not heard one person on the right ever and I mean ever say such a thing.

Posted by: greatgran1 | January 12, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I have great compassion for someone who has an uncontrollable child. What every one was reacting to was not this fact but the public saw a terrible tragedy being exploited by those who felt it fine to attack innocent people and accusing them of the cause of this tragedy.
However, when did these parents seek help? One of the problems we see in our society is that they consider this troubled sick young man not a kid but an adult. After age 18, a parent's role is limited for sure. But they called the police numerous time.
No one blames the parents for this terrible crime. I just wish they had sought assistance long before. I actually have more of a problem with the law enforcement there who were notified numerous times. It was shocking to me to hear that sheriff stand there before the facts were gathered making a political inference when it was clearly his department who had not done one single thing to keep this troubled man off the streets.

Posted by: greatgran1 | January 12, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I have great compassion for someone who has an uncontrollable child. What every one was reacting to was not this fact but the public saw a terrible tragedy being exploited by those who felt it fine to attack innocent people and accusing them of the cause of this tragedy.
However, when did these parents seek help? One of the problems we see in our society is that they consider this troubled sick young man not a kid but an adult. After age 18, a parent's role is limited for sure. But they called the police numerous time.
No one blames the parents for this terrible crime. I just wish they had sought assistance long before. I actually have more of a problem with the law enforcement there who were notified numerous times. It was shocking to me to hear that sheriff stand there before the facts were gathered making a political inference when it was clearly his department who had not done one single thing to keep this troubled man off the streets.

Posted by: greatgran1 | January 12, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I am the mother of a mentally ill 23 year old son. He did not start developing psychological problems until he was nearly 20 years old, a legal adult. His father (my husband) and I have few resources left, we have spent our life savings on treatment, we get no support from the community, only distain, and have been unable to do anything to mitigate this terribly sad situation, even though we have attempted to stay involved, get him the right doctors, etc. He is not "sick enough" to be committed and when we were afraid for his own safety we have called the police, but they cannot arrest someone for what they MIGHT do, only AFTER a crime has been committed, this is how the law works as we all know. Fortunately, our son is not violent and not inclined to be, but when I read about the Loughners I couldn't help but think "there but for the grace of God go I"

People need to blame someone for everything, they cannot accept that some problems have no solution, and I see why parents become the target, but mental illness is not "caused" by anything parents did, it's a condition with it's own power to warp the human psyche regardless of the amount of intervention.

And why Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly have to turn this into something political is beyond me, this has nothing to do with politics, Jared Loughner was sick, and the psychotic often choose political and religious figures as objects of their aggression, it is just part of their insanity.

Posted by: polliwog2frog | January 12, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

A long time ago I tried to communicate with a relative to tell him of the death of our father. Because of the mental problem that I could not solve.
I was also at work where an employee lost touch with reality and this resulted in an who;e department losing production for a day until the person could be removed and taken for treatment.

No one who has not been there can realize how difficult, and sometimes impossible, it is to deal with these problems.

According to the law until there is a clear overt act, nobody can be involuntary committed and locked up in our free society.

It was decided years ago to close almost all mental hospitals in this state and go to community based treatment. Well we saved the money for the hosipitals and did not spend it in the community.

Until the recent Halth Care act most Insurance covered mental disorders at 50%, or not at all. Do we really want to repeal this?

The private sale of guns is totally unregularated with straw buyers and street sales. The number of homicides iis increasing.

We need to have sensible regulation on guns! we do not need to ban them but just like cars we need sensible regulation. My dad was a law enforcement officier, he felt every hunter should be trained in the proper uyse of weapons. Tere is no reason this can't be done. Unlike a clerk an instructor would have time to observe and evaluate the person getting a fire arm.

We need to treat mental Health problems, and care for our neighbors.

We are all in this life boat together.

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Posted by: JayWes38 | January 12, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I too have no appreciation for the statement from the family. Recognizing the horror caused by their son would show their concern for the victims and not for themselves. I truly feel they are/were in denial regarding their son's activities and stated beliefs. If only parents could be part of the prosecuted in instances such as this.

Posted by: vickivicki | January 12, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

This statement betrays two attributes of the author(s):

-He/they don't do this for a living; and,
-Whomever wrote this has their own emotional and boundary issues.

To wit:

-The statement starts by talking about how it's a difficult time for the family. WRONG. That should have come at the end, after they acknowledged the suffering of the victims and the horror of us all.

-"There are no words that can possibly express how we feel. We wish that there were, so we could make you feel better." WRONG. It is not their job to make us feel better; we are each responsible for our feelings. It is their job to say that they are sorry, which they don't get to until the 3rd to last word.

-"We don't understand why this happened. It may not make any difference, but we wish that we could change the heinous events Saturday." WRONG. To me, this seems like three sentences that say two things. First, there is no mention of their son, in an attempt to disassociate themselves from him. Second, they are saying, "We can't make a difference", or " we aren't responsible".

-"We care very deeply about the victims and their families. We are so very sorry for their loss." WRONG. This should not have come here, but at the start of the statement.

This statement asks many more questions than it answers about the people who wrote it.

Posted by: stevec3 | January 12, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

This statement betrays two attributes of the author(s):

-He/they don't do this for a living; and,
-Whomever wrote this has their own emotional and boundary issues.

To wit:

-The statement starts by talking about how it's a difficult time for the family. WRONG. That should have come at the end, after they acknowledged the suffering of the victims and the horror of us all.

-"There are no words that can possibly express how we feel. We wish that there were, so we could make you feel better." WRONG. It is not their job to make us feel better; we are each responsible for our feelings. It is their job to say that they are sorry, which they don't get to until the 3rd to last word.

-"We don't understand why this happened. It may not make any difference, but we wish that we could change the heinous events Saturday." WRONG. To me, this seems like three sentences that say two things. First, there is no mention of their son, in an attempt to disassociate themselves from him. Second, they are saying, "We can't make a difference", or " we aren't responsible".

-"We care very deeply about the victims and their families. We are so very sorry for their loss." WRONG. This should not have come here, but at the start of the statement.

This statement asks many more questions than it answers about the people who wrote it.

Posted by: stevec3 | January 12, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

It is clear from reports of classmates and his behavior that he suffered from schizophrenia. The first signs of schizophrenia start in late adolescents to early adulthood. Yes, he had a plan of assassination -- the plan of a very disturbed brain. In my view everyone and our society as a whole who failed to come to the assistance of this troubled boy (and others like him) shares some degree of responsibility for his actions. We quickly want to curb free speech as a response because it incurs no financial burden on society; however the curbing of free speech undermines one of the fundamentals of a free society.

Posted by: ulouieloui | January 12, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

And old, in response to your other questions, yes, if you were to go on tv and repeatedly call someone a killer who is indeed not a killer, then you would be partially responsible for any consequences that person suffered. Using Lougher as an example is a false equivalency, because he really is a killer. Dr. Tiller was a doctor performing legal medical procedures on consenting adults. Shame on you for equivocating the two.

Posted by: winks_lbj | January 12, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Old, you did not wach all the posts. In a comversation with Hannity, he says, i wish someone would take this guy out. This is a quote.

Posted by: winks_lbj | January 12, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

This shooter fits right in with the Sarah Palin, Tea Party, and Republican Party...i.e., the right to bear arms and use them as they damn please. It would have been more difficult to sneak a rifle in up close...more innocent people get murdered than are successfully defended by handguns. The FBI stats are irrefutable proof that handguns should be outlawed...and mandatory life sentences for those criminals caught possessing a handgun. I'm sure the law enforcement agencies across the country, even those in Texas, Arizona, Alaska, and other Rogue states would concur.

Posted by: InnovativeThinker | January 12, 2011 7:53 AM | Report abuse

This shooter fits right in with the Sarah Palin, Tea Party, and Republican Party...i.e., the right to bear arms and use them as they damn please. It would have been more difficult to sneak a rifle in up close...more innocent people get murdered than are successfully defended by handguns. The FBI stats are irrefutable proof that handguns should be outlawed...and mandatory life sentences for those criminals caught possessing a handgun. I'm sure the law enforcement agencies across the country, even those in Texas, Arizona, Alaska, and other Rogue states would concur.

Posted by: InnovativeThinker | January 12, 2011 7:53 AM | Report abuse

I vehemently disagree that communists are in agreeance that the use of violence against their enemies is "heinous", especially political enemies. Commies want to bring it all on down girl, at any cost, including through bloodshed, lies, etc. Look at the commie flags! They are deep red! The color of blood. Commies are from h3ll! Don't give them legitimacy or you will all pay. We're already paying with the comrade in chief we have in the WH.

Posted by: Xuanito | January 12, 2011 6:48 AM | Report abuse

@FloridaCracker

Been watching Reefer Madness again, have ya? Are you serious? Sheesh, talk about wasted bandwidth.

I would love to see your evidence connecting pot smoking parents with violently mentally ill children. Please, please, please, do tell. I can't wait!

Posted by: livinginthepast3 | January 12, 2011 2:01 AM | Report abuse


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Posted by: lynnjohnson12 | January 12, 2011 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Dpex, I think Farnsworth was trying to engage in "irony", i.e., he meant just the opposite of what he said.

Posted by: OldSkeptic2 | January 12, 2011 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Some un-named individual wrote a scathingly sarcastic and horribly insulting comment to this story at 9:23PM 01-11. Regarding that post: if anyone truly believes that, then WHAT the Bloody Hell is WRONG with You? What, What, WHAT? WHAT would motivate you to say such things? Is ANYONE saying this kid was justified in doing what he did? Is ANY so-called "right-winger" saying "well, its too bad, but the Congresswoman did have it coming..." ? NO!!! (And I am not either! NOBODY deserves to be gunned down in cold blood like that). No, NOBODY is saying anything of the sort, so WHY WHY WHY the disgusting sarcastic remarks, O' Pundit? We ALL -- Left, Right, Middle, Rebublican, Democrat, Libertarian, Socialist, Communist, Zoroastrian, et. al. -- We ALL are agreed this is was the heinous act of a deeply disturbed individual, and Nothing to be at all lauded. HOWEVER, for you and your ilk to attack the parents.... Let me put this in perspective for you: LIBERALS, perhaps including yourself, scream bloody murder when reasonable people want to place limits on abortions and the like for 14-year-olds. You want 9-year-olds who commit crimes to be tried as adults. Yet here is a 22-year-old person who, although (now) obviously mentally disturbed, did of his own volition commit a crime, and all of a sudden the PARENTS are to blame? Really? LEAVE THESE POOR PEOPLE ALONE! PERHAPS, and I say only Perhaps, they had some major failing as parents in his formative years. Perhaps they could have in some way devined what their disturbed ADULT child was up to. Perhaps. But I do not know, and NEITHER DO YOU. The fact is, at some point a person is responsible for their OWN actions. I could go on about how 99.99% of the verifiably Angry "right-wingers" in this country have NOT and WILL NEVER commit ANY such act of violence. I could also wax eloquent about how a great many of those same "angry right-wingers" would have WILLINGLY and WITHOUT HESITATION taken the bullet that struck down the congresswoman, REGARDLESS of her ideology or political party. But those are separate issues....

Posted by: dpex111 | January 11, 2011 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Some un-named individual wrote a scathingly sarcastic and horribly insulting comment to this story at 9:23PM 01-11. Regarding that post: if anyone truly believes that, then WHAT the Bloody Hell is WRONG with You? What, What, WHAT? WHAT would motivate you to say such things? Is ANYONE saying this kid was justified in doing what he did? Is ANY so-called "right-winger" saying "well, its too bad, but the Congresswoman did have it coming..." ? NO!!! (And I am not either! NOBODY deserves to be gunned down in cold blood like that). No, NOBODY is saying anything of the sort, so WHY WHY WHY the disgusting sarcastic remarks, O' Pundit? We ALL -- Left, Right, Middle, Rebublican, Democrat, Libertarian, Socialist, Communist, Zoroastrian, et. al. -- We ALL are agreed this is was the heinous act of a deeply disturbed individual, and Nothing to be at all lauded. HOWEVER, for you and your ilk to attack the parents.... Let me put this in perspective for you: LIBERALS, perhaps including yourself, scream bloody murder when reasonable people want to place limits on abortions and the like for 14-year-olds. You want 9-year-olds who commit crimes to be tried as adults. Yet here is a 22-year-old person who, although (now) obviously mentally disturbed, did of his own volition commit a crime, and all of a sudden the PARENTS are to blame? Really? LEAVE THESE POOR PEOPLE ALONE! PERHAPS, and I say only Perhaps, they had some major failing as parents in his formative years. Perhaps they could have in some way devined what their disturbed ADULT child was up to. Perhaps. But I do not know, and NEITHER DO YOU. The fact is, at some point a person is responsible for their OWN actions. I could go on about how 99.99% of the verifiably Angry "right-wingers" in this country have NOT and WILL NEVER commit ANY such act of violence. I could also wax eloquent about how a great many of those same "angry right-wingers" would have WILLINGLY and WITHOUT HESITATION taken the bullet that struck down the congresswoman, REGARDLESS of her ideology or political party. But those are separate issues....

Posted by: dpex111 | January 11, 2011 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Wink, of course there were many instances when O'reiley very forcefully attacked Tiller for what he was doing and many of these have been posted to Youtube.

Yes, he continuously charged Tiller with being a "killer", and Tiller obviously was a killer of "something" wasn't he? And what he killed indisputably was in at least some sense "human", if not as a noun, at least as an adjective.

Is Lochner a killer? If I say that he is am I also advocating that he be unlawfully killed by some vigilante?

You say, "...if [one] listens to rush, glenn or bill o'reilly, the call to action is to bomb a clinic (or just shoot a doctor). "

Please direct me to the specific Youtube video in which any of these people ever called upon anyone to bomb a clinic or shoot a doctor.

Wink, if you can't do it then you shouldn't say it, particularly in a post in which you claim to be advocating more responsible public discourse!

Posted by: OldSkeptic2 | January 11, 2011 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Our society has too much protection and a very poor system for handling people like Jared, who gave far more than ample cries for help with all his weird behavior. The mentaly ill are mostly PREVENTED from getting any help UNTIL they do something outrageous. THEN, and ONLY then, is anyone allowed to get them proper care or treatment. Our mental health laws need changing to make this kind of situation reportable to treatment facilities BEFORE it progresses to THIS.

Posted by: Maerzie | January 11, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

If it a fact that the mother has been seen buying a 30 bottle/case of bear has nothing to do with their parenting. This case of beer could last a month or whatever time period.
There comes a time when a young person reaches the age of accountability and at the age of 22 he/Jared is way past this age. So I would think that unless the parents encouraged him to do this kind of act he committed then they should not have to come under the microscope of: "they are responsible".
Unfortunately, we all see or come across strange speaking and acting people. We don't report them for the most part because we cannot tell by our own lack of training, experience, or skill if these people are actually harmless or have within themselves to commit a violent act.
These parents have to be going thru their own personal hell so why don't we all just give them space and have some compassion and decernment(sp) for them.

Posted by: lamzdadgmailcom | January 11, 2011 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Old, when you say " You nor anyone else has ever heard any of these people issue anything resembling such a "call"! How can we ever hope to deal with our problems via public discourse when so much of it is as pathetic as this?". I am assuming you are speaking my bill comment? Well as proof of this call to action bill o'reilly made when he issued the fatwa (sp?) against dr. Tiller. I invite you to view the numerous posts on YouTube showing him doing so. Just enter the words dr tiller and bill orally, and you will indeed see that i and many millions have seen him issue such a call, and unfortunately, someone took his so called rhetoric seriously. Sick minds look for messages that reinforce their hatefulness, and we will never solve our society's problems if we cannot man up and hold people accountable for the results of their words and actions.

Posted by: winks_lbj | January 11, 2011 9:39 PM | Report abuse

You know, not everything requires a comment.

Posted by: TomR3 | January 11, 2011 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Morristhewise, if you doubt that this guy is mentally ill just go to his links on Youtube.
His meaningless "word-salad" crammed into long successions of incoherent syllogisms.
is an obvious indication that he is very schizoid.

Posted by: OldSkeptic2 | January 11, 2011 9:23 PM | Report abuse

The family of the alleged shooter ought not suffer public humilation and exposure. Let's offer to send them to Disneyworld and invite them to throw out the first pitch at an Arizona Diamondbacks game. After all, it was the Congresswoman's fault for tresspassinrg in a Safeway parking lot. And the 9 year old girl is to blame for being born on 9/11. And people such as Jared are our society's true heros for living the rule of Constitutional law giving them the right to bear arms. Yes, they represent all that our troops are fighting for. His parents must be so proud no wonder why they are speechless.

Posted by: Farnsworth1 | January 11, 2011 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Chamateddy, I think we all realize just how appreciative we should all be for your contribution to responsible public discourse. (LMAO)

Posted by: OldSkeptic2 | January 11, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting that there is a different psychological standard for Jared then the thousands of inner city youths convicted for murder. Jared is thought to be mentally ill, but not those inner city youths. There are metal detectors in every NYC school, students caught with knives or guns are not termed mentally ill but violent offenders. There seems to be racism involved in psychiatric evaluations.

Posted by: morristhewise | January 11, 2011 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so based on court papers filed today, apparently, the father saw this kid leave the house early sat morning carrying a black bag. The dad states that he "confronted" his son, but the kid mumbled something and ran off. At this point, the dad apparently got into a car and chased the kid into the desert. What happened next? The kid must have super powers to outrun a car...if that were my dad, he would have the police out looking for me as soon as he could get cell phone service in the desert. In fact, i am not sure if his dad is feeble, but why did he let he kid run off in the first place? If a parent feels strongly enough to chase his kid into the desert, the parent should take accountability - obviously he was concerned about something - right?

Posted by: winks_lbj | January 11, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Just a few few hours before one unbalanced man chose to express his anger with violence, this activist reporter committed to run for the House of Representatives as a Citizen of Conscience and "You can stand me up at the gates of hell, but I won't back down."-Tom Petty

http://wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1971&Itemid=242


Posted by: eileenflemingWAWABLOG | January 11, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I read an article today that a neighbor was Interviewed who knew the boy who did this. He would come over and watch movies and listen to music with their son. He said, he was very polite to then when he would arrive and say hello. He always made It a point to Thank them for having him over when he left. "Almost like he was asking for acceptance."
The father also said the times he seen the mother at the market he always noticed "she had a 30 pack of beer In her cart." I guess It may be difficult for the parents to "Notice something wrong" If they were always doing their own thing, IMO...

Posted by: nielsendeedee | January 11, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Wink says: >

Wink, does this constitute what you regard as an example of responsible public discourse? You are pathetically wrong in your assertion. You nor anyone else has ever heard any of these people issue anything resembling such a "call"! How can we ever hope to deal with our problems via public discourse when so much of it is as pathetic as this?

Wink, are you prepared to "take personal accountability for your role in the vitriolic tone"?

Posted by: OldSkeptic2 | January 11, 2011 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I read an article today that a neighbor was Interviewed who knew the boy who did this. He would come over and watch movies and listen to music with their son. He said, he was very polite to then when he would arrive and say hello. He always made It a point to Thank them for having him over when he left. "Almost like he was asking for acceptance."
The father also said the times he seen the mother at the market he always noticed "she had a 30 pack of beer In her cart." I guess It may be difficult for the parents to "Notice something wrong" If they were always doing their own thing, IMO...

Posted by: nielsendeedee | January 11, 2011 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Questions will be probed: Who knew or should have known of what this boy was capable? Public officials and their employers, the taxpayers, will be getting some very big bills.
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The public is already receiving huge bills: everything he eats, all his medical care, his lawyer bills, the judge's salary, appeals after appeals, a jury who will no doubt be sequestered for god knows how long.....uggh, would have been better for all of us of that coward had finished the job he set out to do and turned the gun on the one person who deserves it - himself.

Posted by: winks_lbj | January 11, 2011 8:54 PM | Report abuse

We should all feel for the family, yet, while they feel sorrow, they are in no way responsible.

Lets stop over reacting to a horrific event with renewed gun reform legislation.
Blaming Reagan reform of mental health?

Stop it people!

Could this just be an unfortunate isolated incident? Tragic yes. But really, do you want surveillance and scanners EVERYWHERE you go?

My thoughts and prayers go out to the family of all of the injured and deceased.

Posted by: bethanybeachinthesummer | January 11, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse


The parent's comments were human, compassionate and from the heart.

Too Bad, Beck, Moose-Maid and their minions could not be so humane. I don't think there is an iota of decency in the lot of them.

Maybe they and the other right-wing cracker-heads should go to Topeka and visit Westboro Baptist Church. There, they could break bread with Pastor Phelps and form a true army for their loving and compassionate God and send the rest of us heathens to the ovens.


Posted by: chamateddy | January 11, 2011 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I smell some big lawsuits arising out of this. Lawyers are probably already contacting the grieving families.

Questions will be probed: Who knew or should have known of what this boy was capable? Public officials and their employers, the taxpayers, will be getting some very big bills.

After all, hasn't it become the responsibility of government to anticipate and correct every imperfection of mankind? And when it fails to do so shouldn't the taxpayers and their grandchildren be expected to pay for it?

Posted by: OldSkeptic2 | January 11, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

These parents should, like so many others, be insisting that blame for this catastrophe be put where it belongs: on Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reiley, Fox News, et al !


Posted by: OldSkeptic2 | January 11, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

There is no evidence that Loughner is a fan of Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck. There is no evidence that Loughner watches Ed Schultz or Keith Olbermann

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Ok fair enough, but it should be noted that if he listens to Keith Olbermann, the call to action he hears is to go out and donate to a free healthcare clinic. As a stark comparison, if he listens to rush, glenn or bill o'reilly, the call to action is to bomb a clinic (or just shoot a doctor).

As a secondary point worth noting, Keith Olbermann has used this terrible tragedy as a reason to use his public platform to take personal accountability for his role in the overall vitriolic tone. I have not heard one person on fox do the same. Certainly we can all take something personal from this event - otherwise, it really is for nothing!

Posted by: winks_lbj | January 11, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Why so many duplicate comments? Anyway, obviously, the killer is mentally disturbed and may not be able to control himself. So it falls on the community and the people who know him to draw attention to him and recommend evaluation and treatment. Who should know him better than his own family? Why didn't they see the signs, esp after being notified about his behavior from the school? It has only been a few years since the family was legally responsible for his behavior. Do we really expect Big Government to decide who needs mental evaluation? Is this what all you Tea Partiers, Republicans and Libertarians, who insist on smaller government, want? You insist on being personally responsible so who is supposed to protect the community from sick people like this?

Posted by: vdbwong | January 11, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Ha! I hope he burns, but the fact is, his attorney is known for getting people out of the death penalty, so we will pay for him to live in relative luxury for the next 70 years! He'll get a law degree while undergoing his appeal, and maybe he will even begin a lifelong correspondence with the Unabomber and susan smith!

Posted by: winks_lbj | January 11, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, we shouldn't execute Loughner, because he might be innocent!

;)

Posted by: Ruperb | January 11, 2011 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Rupert, your response sounds very intelligent, but you should be aware that az is one of the few states where the state and/or family can commit crazy people. You should check the state laws!

Posted by: winks_lbj | January 11, 2011 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Liberals seem bent on blaming President Reagan for the existence of mentally ill people outside of hospitals.

In fact, there is no way that the ACLU or other groups would allow people to be forced to receive mental health treatment against their will.

It used to be that a parent could commit a teenager to a mental hospital for just doing teenage things, or a husband could commit his wife as a way to get rid of her. Reagan put a stop to that.

Posted by: Ruperb | January 11, 2011 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Rikmyster: if anyone needs to be questioned it is his educators? That is so absurd, his educators spend a few hours a day with him, with different people engaged with him each year/semester. His parents have been with him24/7/365 for 22 years. Are we a nanny nation? Are you being sarcastic, because certainly you cannot be serious. His educators are responsible for teaching him how to read, write and think critically. It is his family who should be teaching him not to hate and helping him navigate life.

Posted by: winks_lbj | January 11, 2011 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I want to send out my sympathies and prayers both for the Loughner family (including Jared) and the victims and survivers of the tragedy.

For the Loughners, I want to say I hope that the justice that Jared faces does not include the death penalty. As someone who worked with Death Row prisoners for several years, I know that system has little justice. It's about revenge, and an "eye for an eye", not seeking out the underlying causes of someone's violence. I hope the Loughners are reading this because I do not believe more violence is going to solve anyone's problems, bring anyone back to life, or cause anyone injured to heal faster. Capital punishment is not a solution ... it's part of the problem.

And to the victims and survivers, I pray that this tragedy be the last you ever have to deal with. We can all hope and work for a world and a society without violence and at the very least do what we can to create meaningful dialogue. I don't know what to day really for on Saturday ... everyone had a bit of themselves murdered ... it's truly sad from any angle you look at it from ...

Lynn in New Orleans, LA.

Posted by: ljmagnuson | January 11, 2011 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps we need to look at the Mental Health System a bit closer and try to work to undo what was done during the Regan era that cut many mental health programs. We need to help those who are mentally challenged so that they are better able to become functional members of society which may help reduce the likelihood of them becoming a threat to others and to themselves.

Those who are not medical professionals experienced in treating mental illness, or those who have no experience caring for a loved one with a mental illness may not able to understand or appreciate what happens to people suffering from a mental illness. Most people do not understand what is needed to help the mentally ill individual.

One thing for sure is if the mentally ill individual is not being properly cared for by a mental health professional or if the mentally ill person is not being monitored to ensure they are taking their medication, their mental condition will deteriorate. When mental health deteriorates it puts the mentally ill person at risk of becoming more unstable and can also put innocent and unsuspecting people at risk when they come in contact with the mentally ill individual (level of risk depends on the severity of the mental illness).

More help is needed for individuals suffering from mental illness- it helps protect both them and us. Treating the mentally ill as if they are normal such as expecting them to respond in a normal manner when faced with challenges in school or on the job is ridiculous. Looking at a mentally ill person as if they are monsters when something terrible happens just makes us look like monsters because it is our terrible mental health system that has failed these individuals. When we fail them, we fail ourselves. We have purposely allowed them to become what they are and then we ask, “how could this happen?” Mental illness can strike anyone. You or a loved one can find yourself in an inadequate mental health system that allows you to become sicker and sicker, and when something unspeakable happens you are treated as normal, tried and sentenced maybe even sentenced to death. It does not help the problem.

Posted by: GETIR123 | January 11, 2011 8:04 PM | Report abuse

These parents have questions to answer - not to the media, but certainly to the police and FBI, and it is my understanding they are not. Did they follow up on the school's recommendations for a psych exam for the son who was still living under their roof? If so, what were the doctor's findings, and did they follow through with treatment? If not, why not. This kid was so disturbed, he scared the heck out of his teachers and fellow students. Are you telling me his parents did not notice anything strange? What is the skull shrine in the back yard all about? Did they ask their son? Did they know he had a gun with special attachments to kill tons of people? Did they know of his obsessions with Gabby Giffords? These are reasonable questions, which they should be willing to answer, but as I understand it, they blockaded the FBI from coming into their home. That does not seem very cooperative if you ask me. This statement, while assuredly heart felt is too little too late. Quite frankly, i do not care about their grief. I am sure the families of the dead people want some answers. They should convince their son to cooperate. People will get upset with me if i go on, but all i can say is that as long as my siblings and i lived under my mother's roof, she monitored our behavior and took accountability for helping us make good decisions and be good citizens. For heaven's sake, we don't want the government telling us what to do, so perhaps we should take accountability for our own families.

Posted by: winks_lbj | January 11, 2011 7:56 PM | Report abuse

These parents have questions to answer - not to the media, but certainly to the police and FBI, and it is my understanding they are not. Did they follow up on the school's recommendations for a psych exam for the son who was still living under their roof? If so, what were the doctor's findings, and did they follow through with treatment? If not, why not. This kid was so disturbed, he scared the heck out of his teachers and fellow students. Are you telling me his parents did not notice anything strange? What is the skull shrine in the back yard all about? Did they ask their son? Did they know he had a gun with special attachments to kill tons of people? Did they know of his obsessions with Gabby Giffords? These are reasonable questions, which they should be willing to answer, but as I understand it, they blockaded the FBI from coming into their home. That does not seem very cooperative if you ask me. This statement, while assuredly heart felt is too little too late. Quite frankly, i do not care about their grief. I am sure the families of the dead people want some answers. They should convince their son to cooperate. People will get upset with me if i go on, but all i can say is that as long as my siblings and i lived under my mother's roof, she monitored our behavior and took accountability for helping us make good decisions and be good citizens. For heaven's sake, we don't want the government telling us what to do, so perhaps we should take accountability for our own families.

Posted by: winks_lbj | January 11, 2011 7:55 PM | Report abuse

My heart goes out to these folks who are thrust in the media's cross hairs because of the actions of their son. They did not ask for even 5 minutes of fame or infamy. They can no more shed the light on what happened. If they had known I am sure they would have at least tried to solve the situation. Their grief shows they are in shock and had no idea as to either that a problem existed or how to solve the problem.

The family does not deserve to be tried in the court of public opinion and speculation. If ANYONE needs to be questioned is the the EDUCATORS who were charged with his education, development and sense of belonging to these great United States.

We should hold the liberal media, and our liberal overindulging political leaders who are only interested in putting money in their pockets and those who put them in power.

We should spend more money and energy in Uniting and Unifying our nation so that we can stand as ONE People, with Liberty and Justice for all.

Posted by: Rikmyster | January 11, 2011 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Thank God, that this is not going to be "bashing" of this young man. People, need to understand that as many of you posters have remarked...peoples minds are something that...after all has been said an done, who REALLY knowns and or again REALLY understands?. I, must remind all...to read the posting from the good retired retired Pastor.
We, all need to get away from this "blame game"!.

Posted by: SharkDr55 | January 11, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Thank God, that this is not going to be "bashing" of this young man. People, need to understand that as many of you posters have remarked...peoples minds are something that...after all has been said an done, who REALLY knowns and or again REALLY understands?. I, must remind all...to read the posting from the good retired retired Pastor.
We, all need to get away from this "blame game"!.

Posted by: SharkDr55 | January 11, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Thank God, that this is not going to be "bashing" of this young man. People, need to understand that as many of you posters have remarked...peoples minds are something that...after all has been said an done, who REALLY knowns and or again REALLY understands?. I, must remind all...to read the posting from the good retired retired Pastor.
We, all need to get away from this "blame game"!.

Posted by: SharkDr55 | January 11, 2011 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Thank God, that this is not going to be "bashing" of this young man. People, need to understand that as many of you posters have remarked...peoples minds are something that...after all has been said an done, who REALLY knowns and or again REALLY understands?. I, must remind all...to read the posting from the good retired retired Pastor.
We, all need to get away from this "blame game"!.

Posted by: SharkDr55 | January 11, 2011 7:44 PM | Report abuse

As Loughner has been charged for multiple criminal acrs, he is no longer a suspect. He is now the accused. In court documents and proceedings, he is the defendant.

(Whatever happened to good journalism and editors/editing?)

The accused's family is no doubt in shock to learn that their son/brother is charged with attempted assination and multiple counts of murder. Nothing has linked the horrendous acts of the accused to them, so why are legions of reporters lurking about private ptoperty like so many vultures? They-the family- should be left in peace to deal with their trauma, not hounded by ghouls out for anyone's blood.

It is a sad state of affairs when the Loughners, or any other family whose relative has been accused of a crime, must barracade their doors against unwanted intrusion and feels obligated to send messages of apology for what they are not responsable.

Perhaps more importantly, were the accused not involved in acts against an elected official and her constituants, this letter would not become national news.

Unfortunately thousands are murdered-including youg children- or assaulted daily in the US, but those stories are never seen, except breifly in the press/media of their local jurisdictions. Are these thousands' lives less important than the recent victims in Tucson?

All life is sacred. When we remember that, perhaps we can insist that bad legislature be expunged to be repalced with far better so that we are all safer from criminal intent. Maybe the first step would be to return to the original intent of the part of the US Constitutution regarding a right to bear arms...It was not meant to give everyone gratis to carry weapons; the intent was to give citizens the right have protection during armed conflict -aka war.

And speaking of the Constitution, every citizen has the right to be secure in their person and property-including the family of the accused, Jarad Loughner.

Posted by: GazelleDZ | January 11, 2011 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Florida cracker, how do you know so much about the family? Your remark borders on crass stipidity

Posted by: anti1 | January 11, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse

It is human nature to search for meaning. We use logic and reason in order to guide our search, because we are rational beings.

Sadly, not all human affairs are amenable to such analysis. There is compelling evidence that Jared Loughner suffers from a disorder of the mind. His thoughts and actions are likely unfathomable by sane minds, unreachable using traditional tools of psychosocial analysis commonly applied to the understanding of normal human behaviour.

Rhetoric in the public discourse following Loughner's crimes has attempted to establish a connection between the words of public commentators and his state of mind. Such connections are unjustified and unsustainable.

There is no evidence that Loughner is a fan of Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck. There is no evidence that Loughner watches Ed Schultz or Keith Olbermann.

Loughner may well be a paranoid-schizophrenic. Any attempt to ascribe rational motivation for his crimes is disingenuous at best, and ghoulish partisan propaganda at worst.

I grieve for the families of the dead and injured. I grieve for Loughner's family. I even grieve for Jared Loughner.

But I do not attempt to draw spurious and unwarranted connections between his actions and any particular political convictions, left or right.

Posted by: Lysias | January 11, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

The parents are at fault here, they are pot smoking certified retro hippies and have filled this kids mind so full of their liberal garbage that he was a time bomb ticking away.This may be the last assassination of the 1960's.

Posted by: FloridaCracker | January 11, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing more heart wrenching for a parent than having that which they love most, their children, do something very wrong, nothing. There were many victims in this tragedy.

Posted by: chipgiii | January 11, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I have questions of this family. Did you know how fanatic he had become? Did you think he needed mental help? Did he get his beliefs from you? Did you have insurance that would have provided help? Did you know the SA Mental Health Assn. would have treated him free of charge? It's an unlit line, the one between hope and reality. I'm sorry for this family, but I am sorrier for my congresswoman -- a fantastic woman who, if the parents had written to her or contacted her office, would have provided a guide to the help they needed. To Gabby, and the others in the hospital who are fighting for life, please find the strength to hang on and heal.

Posted by: beaone | January 11, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing more heart wrenching for a parent than having that which they love most, their children, do something very wrong, nothing. There were many victims in this tragedy.

Posted by: chipgiii | January 11, 2011 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I agree completely that children may grow up to do the opposite of what they've been taught -- especially if that adult child has a mental illness. I also support prayers and good wishes for those injured or killed and for the Loughner family.

However, is it necessary for 7 copies of dakotahgeo's post to stay up? Please fix this, moderators.

Posted by: cognitogrrl | January 11, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

My heart goes out to the family of Jared. It is impossible for a parent to know the extent of this kind of disease. The parents may have know that something was wrong, very wrong; but that does not mean that they could know the extent of the insanity.
The best they can pray for is the sentence of guilty but insane. If the insanity is ever treated, he should finish his life in jail...

How can parents feel about knowing the perpetrator as insane. What relief can they have. It is like being a family member of a suicide person...the survivors suffer life.

Posted by: aldussault | January 11, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the double posting. Something seems amiss.

Posted by: lagibby1 | January 11, 2011 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Martin Luther King,Jr.,Strength To Love, 1963:
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....
The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.

Posted by: lagibby1 | January 11, 2011 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Martin Luther King,Jr.,Strength To Love, 1963:
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....
The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.

Posted by: lagibby1 | January 11, 2011 6:37 PM | Report abuse

As a retired minister, I have seen countless families, from rich to poor, who have done the absolute best they could to raise a good, productive family and have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. And then there is the anomaly, such as Jared Loughner, that, no matter what the circumstances, turned out much less than perfect. But we are all imperfect in some way. Pray for the deceased, their families, pray for the wounded for their quick healing, and pray for the Loughner family that they all may be comforted and healed from this tragic situation.
Dakotahgeo, M.Div. Pastor/Chaplain (Ret.)

Posted by: dakotahgeo | January 11, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

As a retired minister, I have seen countless families, from rich to poor, who have done the absolute best they could to raise a good, productive family and have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. And then there is the anomaly, such as Jared Loughner, that, no matter what the circumstances, turned out much less than perfect. But we are all imperfect in some way. Pray for the deceased, their families, pray for the wounded for their quick healing, and pray for the Loughner family that they all may be comforted and healed from this tragic situation.
Dakotahgeo, M.Div. Pastor/Chaplain (Ret.)

Posted by: dakotahgeo | January 11, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

As a retired minister, I have seen countless families, from rich to poor, who have done the absolute best they could to raise a good, productive family and have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. And then there is the anomaly, such as Jared Loughner, that, no matter what the circumstances, turned out much less than perfect. But we are all imperfect in some way. Pray for the deceased, their families, pray for the wounded for their quick healing, and pray for the Loughner family that they all may be comforted and healed from this tragic situation.
Dakotahgeo, M.Div. Pastor/Chaplain (Ret.)

Posted by: dakotahgeo | January 11, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

As a retired minister, I have seen countless families, from rich to poor, who have done the absolute best they could to raise a good, productive family and have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. And then there is the anomaly, such as Jared Loughner, that, no matter what the circumstances, turned out much less than perfect. But we are all imperfect in some way. Pray for the deceased, their families, pray for the wounded for their quick healing, and pray for the Loughner family that they all may be comforted and healed from this tragic situation.
Dakotahgeo, M.Div. Pastor/Chaplain (Ret.)

Posted by: dakotahgeo | January 11, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

As a retired minister, I have seen countless families, from rich to poor, who have done the absolute best they could to raise a good, productive family and have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. And then there is the anomaly, such as Jared Loughner, that, no matter what the circumstances, turned out much less than perfect. But we are all imperfect in some way. Pray for the deceased, their families, pray for the wounded for their quick healing, and pray for the Loughner family that they all may be comforted and healed from this tragic situation.
Dakotahgeo, M.Div. Pastor/Chaplain (Ret.)

Posted by: dakotahgeo | January 11, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

As a retired minister, I have seen countless families, from rich to poor, who have done the absolute best they could to raise a good, productive family and have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. And then there is the anomaly, such as Jared Loughner, that, no matter what the circumstances, turned out much less than perfect. But we are all imperfect in some way. Pray for the deceased, their families, pray for the wounded for their quick healing, and pray for the Loughner family that they all may be comforted and healed from this tragic situation.
Dakotahgeo, M.Div. Pastor/Chaplain (Ret.)

Posted by: dakotahgeo | January 11, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

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