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Posted at 1:30 PM ET, 01/ 9/2011

Sarah Palin crosshairs 'never intended to be gun sights,' says aide

By Felicia Sonmez and Rachel Weiner

An aide to Sarah Palin is defending the former Alaska governor's controversial campaign target map, saying the circles over certain districts were never meant to be gun sights. However, Palin herself described the symbol as a "bullseye."

Rep. James P. Moran Jr. (D-Va.), a friend of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' (D-Ariz.) since she was elected to the House, said Sunday she told him just a week and a half ago that she was worried about the potential for violence back home. Giffords is currently in intensive care after a shooting that left six dead and 14 injured.

"Gabby did tell me that she was concerned," Moran said. "She did say it's really bad out there, particularly in a district like [hers]. She was very much troubled that Sarah Palin put her in the crosshairs."

Moran said Giffords explained that, unlike in his Northern Virginia district, "a substantial percentage" of her district was "anti-government and pro-gun" --- a potentially dangerous mix.

Palin's "Take Back the 20" campaign came under renewed fire after Saturday's deadly shooting. The 2010 midterm election campaign featured a map with crosshairs over Giffords' district, along with the districts of 19 other Democratic lawmakers who voted for the health-care bill.

After posting the map on her Facebook page, Palin told her Twitter followers to go there with the message "Don't Retreat -- Instead RELOAD!" At the time, Palin was accused of using unnecessarily violent rhetoric. (This weekend, the map was taken offline.)

"We never ever, ever intended it to be gun sights," said Rebecca Mansour, who works for Palin's political action committee, in a interview with conservative radio host Tammy Bruce.

"It's a surveyor's symbol," Bruce suggested. Mansour agreed, adding that the graphic was contracted out to a professional and approved without much thought. "We never imagined, it never occurred to us that anybody would consider it violent," she said. It was simply "crosshairs that you would see on a map."

There is "nothing irresponsible about our graphic," Mansour added.

Giffords herself criticized the target map when her office was vandalized last year.

"For example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they have to realize that there are consequences to that action," Giffords said in an interview with MSNBC.

There is a surveyor's symbol that resembles the circle used on Palin's map. (You can see it on the lower right-hand side of this U.S. Geological Survey guide to topographical map symbols). However, Palin herself referred to the targets as a "'bullseye' icon" in a post-election tweet.

By Felicia Sonmez and Rachel Weiner  | January 9, 2011; 1:30 PM ET
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Thanks to the Post for showing the graphic. I'd not seen it, although I'd seen the target Democrat map prior.
Crosshairs over a SPOT ON A MAP are "threatening?" Be one thing if the crosshairs were over someone's mug shot, but jumpin' Jiminy people.
Talk about whining wimps.

Posted by: daskinner | January 14, 2011 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget that Becks ranting almost got some California HWY Patrol officers killed and if they hadn't stopped him we could have seen another massacre.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/would-be-tides-shooter-glenn-beck-in

Posted by: CommentingID | January 13, 2011 3:53 AM | Report abuse

No wonder you idiots are Republicans.

You'll believe anything.

Without lies the republican party can't exist in this country.

Posted by: langs13 | January 12, 2011 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a middle school playground queen. She runs her election (and mouth) on the premise that substance does nto count, and that whover comes up with the catchiest put down wins, and who can never admit a mistake. Tragically, too many Americans have the same middle school mentality and are willing to follow her lead.

Posted by: mmiller5 | January 12, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

If they are surveyor's symbols, why did Palin, in November, refer to them as "bulls-eyes"? Quite simply, Ms. Mansour lied.

Posted by: BBear1 | January 11, 2011 6:08 PM | Report abuse

In typical Leftist fashion all libs are accusing Palin and Tea Partiers of lying when the lies are coming from the left. The symbols on Palin's map is the universial symbol for surveyers sights. Look it up if you don't believe me. I did and that's exactly what it is. Left-wingers spew more hatred and viritrol than Palin or Tea Partiers on Talk Radio combined. Just watch a few shows of the View or watch Rachal Maddow on MSNBC they constantly are wishing Rush to die or Cheney to have a heart attack, they're disgusting. If Conservatives are so mean why can't one person show a quote that can be verified of Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity wishing death on someone. You'll never find one.

Posted by: wolverb
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so let's "relock," "reload" and go SURVEY the 20 districts we've "targeted" with "bullseyes?" how dumb do you think we are? surveyors use scopes just like gunsights on their equipment, but Palin used gunsight imagery at every opportunity. someone did some fast tapdancing to find something else that looked like a gunsight and they're sticking to it despite how silly it sounds. topographic maps don't put surveyor's marks on entire congressional districts (they mark points), and transits sight across limited distances for bearings and elevations. there's no way anyone thought of using either symbol to target a congresswoman and her district for defeat.

just grow some ba--s and admit your use of crosshairs was unfortunate and end this

Posted by: JoeT1 | January 11, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I think we can safely say Palin's "all washed up".

No tears here.

Posted by: binkynh | January 11, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey Wolverb, how about Bill O'Reilly calling an abortion doctor "a killer" just before he is assasinated. Is that speech hateful enough for you?

http://mediamatters.org/research/200906020046

Posted by: TonyCarlos | January 11, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Hey Wolverb, how about Bill O'Reilly calling an abortion doctor "a killer" just before he is assasinated. Is that speech hateful enough for you?

http://mediamatters.org/research/200906020046

Posted by: TonyCarlos | January 11, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Sarah herself said they were targets! Why would anyone put a surveyors symbol on a target?

Posted by: imposter | January 11, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Rebecca Mansour should heed recent public comments and quit as Palin's adviser. Both are not ahead. Before going, Mansour should make Palin get an MPA and get the youngest son needed free special ed speech, physical, sensory integrative and occupational therapies. That ought to keep Palin busy.

Posted by: virri345 | January 11, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Not gunsights? Sure ... and the Nazi Swastika is meant to evoke a cross.

Posted by: djmolter | January 11, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I am sick and tired of the NEO CONS FREAKS/Tea Party/GOP out there who dare suggest people are playing politics. It stop being politics when GOP encouraged members to act like angry mobs at town hall meetings. Then NEO CONS FREAKS/Tea Party/GOP ratcheted-up with threats of violence. This will NOT go away! You NEO CONS FREAKS/Tea Party/GOP need time-out When you are capable of dialog without threat of violence then you are welcome back into the debate.

Posted by: MysteryMovesWashOut | January 11, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

It's not a bulls-eye (even though Sarahcudda herself said it was), it's a surveyors symbol! No, wait - it's a plus sign, as in adding a Congressional seat - yeah, that's it. No, strike that; it's really a cross, as in wishing Jeezus's special love on AZ-08! No, wait, it's a "T" as in Trig, Trip, Todd and Trak, or whatever. No, wait, it's ...

Posted by: ched | January 11, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Sarah, why can't you tell the truth? Do you have trouble saying the simple truth or is it the big truth that is hard for you admit?

Posted by: MysteryMovesWashOut | January 11, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

From a Palin fan site, us4palin.com, back in March 2010:

"Liberal heads are exploding all over the United States. Three words, 'Don’t retreat. RELOAD!!!' created quite the stir. So did the image of cross hairs on targeted congressional districts on a SarahPAC ad. The Alinsky trained leftists are in a hissy fit over Governor Palin’s use of gun metaphors. They find it 'offensive.' They find it 'threatening.' Too bad for them."

Got that? Too bad for them! Yes, too bad for Gabrielle Giffords. Just a body count in your war on America, teabaggers?

Posted by: hitpoints | January 11, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

What is so disgusting are all of the left-wing fools using this terrible tragedy as a political weapon to beat Sarah Palin. You people make me sick.

Posted by: wolverb |
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What is so disgusting to me is the hate mongers making light of the death of the precious 9/11 baby and all the rest. I just know Limbaugh is slapping his thigh over it. Probably upset that the congresswoman survived though.

Posted by: marvel777us | January 11, 2011 8:38 AM | Report abuse

How would Palin's camp feel if people were to carry posters of Palin with the "surveyor's symbol" over her image and a caption of "Don't retreat, reload." I'll bet you'd never hear the end of them squawking.

Posted by: TiredOfRepublicans | January 11, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse

The facts are this:
1. Palin put a target on the congresswoman
2. The congresswoman complained, saying it was a dangerous practice.
3. Palin responded saying people were being to PC
4. The congresswoman was shot in the head Saturday and the (public's) first reaction was to look at Palin.
These outcomes are the risk associated with Palin's brand of politics; nothing she does or says at this point will change that reality.
Lock and Load Sarah, Lock and Load!

Posted by: ValuesVoter | January 11, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

The facts are this:
1. Palin put a target on the congresswoman
2. The congresswoman complained, saying it was a dangerous practice.
3. Palin responded saying people were being to PC
4. The congresswoman was shot in the head Saturday and the (public's) first reaction was to look at Palin.
These outcomes are the risk associated with Palin's brand of politics; nothing she does or says at this point will change that reality.
Lock and Load Sarah, Lock and Load!

Posted by: ValuesVoter | January 11, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Palin's aides need to realize the rest of us are not as stupid as their boss is. Nobody is buying it.

Posted by: kennedy6500 | January 11, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

This is the first I seen this crosshairs map but I have head a lot about it from other people who have seen it and they took it only one way. It caused a stir among people that anyone would do something like that.

There is a dictatorship movement. The message is clear --we don't believe in health care reform therefore its our way or no way nor do we believe in social security or medicare and we have the right to bear arms. They sound like broken records. The sad thing is they are trying to take over the government and recruit them to do as they believe or replace them with their own people.

Its merely a group of people who are out of control because they can be and its been allowed. They have been progressively getting worse. The first I noticed it was back in the mid 90's. I have 3 co-workers who have gone what i simply say is insane over Rush Limbaugh and Fox and they too follow Sara Palin. The thinking is pure dictatorship to some but maybe due to the fact I am old or its my military background I call it treason. To me to be against your country is treason.

Seems to me that some time ago Sandra Day O'Connor gave a speech on this about a movement of dictatorship taking hold of some people in this country. She was right.

The government needs to get laws in place and rules and regulations to stop these people and some of those in our government who has engaged in the same type of rhetoric needs to get their own act together and act like leaders instead of bullies and stop engaging in demeaning their own co-workers. Thank you.

Posted by: mac7 | January 11, 2011 5:26 AM | Report abuse

Surveyor sights or crosshairs inciting violence?
Laughable, coming from a country that spends more per capita on gory, bloodlust, virtual reality video "games" AND cinema than any other nation on the globe.
Then, when our kids micmic virtual reality and kill real people, we fight extensive court battles to deny that media had any influence.
All you twisted idiots attempting to link a metaphorical target sheet, commonplace in most company's board rooms, need to get your face out of your crack and see what your kids have been doing for years in their virtual worlds and how it's affecting real lives.

Posted by: wwwsurfer | January 11, 2011 2:33 AM | Report abuse

"What is so disgusting are all of the left-wing fools using this terrible tragedy as a political weapon to beat Sarah Palin. You people make me sick."

Lets look at the facts. The victim herself was very concerned about the crosshairs, its violent, agressive and unnecessary.

She put them on and repeated the dont retreat reload mantra many times at a time when peoples windows were being shot out and threats were being made over healthcare.

She is, at the very least, grossly irresponsible and caters to the lowest common denominator. She is not a leader, she is a rabble rouser and nothing more.

How would she feel about crosshairs over her entire family saying reload on the Palins? bet she would hate on it in a heartbeat

Posted by: Chops2 | January 10, 2011 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Some people say, "Sarah Palin has blood in her hands."

I think it is too early in the investigation to say that. It may or may not be true. I think we should hold this judgement, at least for now.

Posted by: nogod | January 10, 2011 11:28 PM | Report abuse

What is so disgusting are all of the left-wing fools using this terrible tragedy as a political weapon to beat Sarah Palin. You people make me sick.

Posted by: wolverb | January 10, 2011 10:39 PM | Report abuse

In typical Leftist fashion all libs are accusing Palin and Tea Partiers of lying when the lies are coming from the left. The symbols on Palin's map is the universial symbol for surveyers sights. Look it up if you don't believe me. I did and that's exactly what it is. Left-wingers spew more hatred and viritrol than Palin or Tea Partiers on Talk Radio combined. Just watch a few shows of the View or watch Rachal Maddow on MSNBC they constantly are wishing Rush to die or Cheney to have a heart attack, they're disgusting. If Conservatives are so mean why can't one person show a quote that can be verified of Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity wishing death on someone. You'll never find one.

Posted by: wolverb | January 10, 2011 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has blood in her hands. Ever since that stupid John McCain brought her out of the grisly place to interact with society, she has contributed to much of the violence that we are seeing today. All that talk of reloading, aim, shoot etc. just goes to show how stupid she is. I along with millions of others am so glad that now she killed whatever political chance she had (which she never would have gotten anyway because she is so stupid). Palin would do all of us a great favor if she just went back to Alaska never to be seen or heard from again. Thanks John McCain for all the mess you created along with her. I hope you feel just as stupid as you are for even having considered her to become your running mate (which is why you lost). Good for both of you.

Posted by: icolon123 | January 10, 2011 10:22 PM | Report abuse

OK, so now the bullseye is actually surveying crosshairs? How do they now explain the "re-load" metaphor that Sarah Palin loves to use? I'll sit back and wait for them to wiggle themselves out of that one. Look, they are being dishonest. But I am sure that this guy is a complete nut and it is kinda unfair that some are pointing fingers at Sarah Palin but on the other hand, she and her supporters do not help themselves when they dial up the discourse with vitrolic talk.

Posted by: kenmcintyre | January 10, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

OK, so now the bullseye is actually surveying crosshairs? How do they now explain the "re-load" metaphor that Sarah Palin loves to use? I'll sit back and wait for them to wiggle themselves out of that one. Look, they are being dishonest. But I am sure that this guy is a complete nut and it is kinda unfair that some are pointing fingers at Sarah Palin but on the other hand, she and her supporters do not help themselves when they dial up the discourse with vitrolic talk.

Posted by: kenmcintyre | January 10, 2011 10:08 PM | Report abuse

What Sarah Palin's tea party supporters fail to realize is that this clumsey and incompetent effort to "clean" up her Facebook and Twitter pages and her pathetic revisionist attempts to "re-spin" her obvious, deliberate and outright vile inflammatory statements and symbology is becoming a story in itself.

A story that has noting to do with the Tuscon shootings per se, but instead a story about Palin's instinct for deceit and lies.

Her own words trap her in her deceptions, her scurring around like a rat on the internet to hide her crap only highlights how unethical and out right immoral she can be.

Friends in Wasala call her vicious and vindictive. I really did not understand the true depth of what they were trying to tell me until this latest effort of Palin to attempt to sanitize herself.

Unfortunately you cannot sanitize something that is rotten to the core, just wait until her FIA emails are finally released.

Posted by: plaza04433 | January 10, 2011 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I never thought there would come a time in this country that "Christians" on the far right would call us who believe in peacemaking, traditional Biblical interpretation, and concern for the "least of these" our brothers and sisters as anything but followers. Not only does Palin, Beck, O Riley, Linbaugh, and others on daily Fox deny our faith and efforts to follow the Prince of Peace but they call us communists, socialist, unamerican, Nazis, enemies of the state and worse. Now is the time for them to face the facts about their rhetoric. When you support the killers of abortionist, don't quote the bible and fall on your knees and repent. When you support a party who has added 50% to our national deficit through invading two sovereign nations change parties. Jesus called the religious leaders of the first century, hypocrites. Freedom requires vigilance and so does peace. Gun toting ignorant hate speech shows us, especially us "main line" Christians who you are. I for one support anyone who will sue your money away, just as we did the KKK and will for the Tea Party as well.

Posted by: berteyster | January 10, 2011 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Just wait for the lawsuits to be filed against Palin, she's done.

Posted by: guy-washingtonpost | January 10, 2011 12:04 AM
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Wow you are sad. So some psycho does something and now everyone should be paralyzed and afraid to say anything that could be construed as violent?

Welcome to 1984 genius.

Posted by: Cryos | January 10, 2011 6:55 PM | Report abuse

We wonder why the US is in such trouble?

Look at all you buffoons who seriously think that something like the crosshair website imagery causes violence.

Posted by: Cryos | January 10, 2011 6:45 PM | Report abuse

How much do these people get paid to lie for Sarah Palin? There are two things I taught my son as he grew up. 1. It's always easier to tell the truth up front in the long run. 2. It takes a big man to say "I'm sorry." But what do we do when the parents lie and weasel out of their actions?

Posted by: MNUSA | January 10, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

those symbols are too crosshairs! if you google 'crosshairs' (like i just did) you'll see pictures of the same exact symbol used on the map. argue that!

Posted by: brendaserna | January 10, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

One of Palin's staffer lied - oh say it isn't true? Palin tweeted about 'crosshairs'! Helloooooooo dear Rebecca and Sarah - crosshairs equate to gun sites - like you didn't know this (duh). Of course, 'it's the contractor's fault for not removing it from the website' according to $P. Who's website is it again? GOTCHA!

Posted by: xpowner97 | January 10, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

One of Palin's staffer lied - oh say it isn't true? Palin tweeted about 'crosshairs'! Helloooooooo dear Rebecca and Sarah - crosshairs equate to gun sites - like you didn't know this (duh). Of course, 'it's the contractor's fault for not removing it from the website' according to $P. Who's website is it again? GOTCHA!

Posted by: xpowner97 | January 10, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

One of Palin's staffer lied - oh say it isn't true? Palin tweeted about 'crosshairs'! Helloooooooo dear Rebecca and Sarah - crosshairs equate to gun sites - like you didn't know this (duh). Of course, 'it's the contractor's fault for not removing it from the website' accorading to $P. Who's website is it again? GOTCHA!

Posted by: xpowner97 | January 10, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Methinks they doth protest too much. Ignorance breeds ignorance and violence breeds violence. Hate breeds hate.

Posted by: omg3 | January 10, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately the "crosshairs" also covered a beautiful 9 year old child who might have brought some wonderful things to this world- we'll never know, now... Sarah Palin needs to learn to think before she speaks/acts or keep her trap shut. Unfortunately she has a great deal of influence over people who fall in her own intelligence range

Posted by: omg3 | January 10, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin may not have intended to incite violence and this incident may have had nothing to do with it but she needs to learn to think before she speaks or keep her trap shut. She has somehow been allowed to become this unbelievable symbol of "what America wants" and she is dangerous because she believes her own publicity. It seems that she thinks anything she says or does should/will be embraced by people when she is really a crass and not particularly bright person who has a forum for her views. The shooter is just a slightly more deranged person who was easily pushed over the edge by the kind of rhetoric in this country today. And her moronic actions and speeches fuel the fire for someone like him. Maybe she didn't think about the fact that the "crosshairs" were also over a beautiful 9 year old girl who will never have the opportunity to experience life or perhaps bring great things to our country. Wake up Tea Party and Palin supporters- it's time to communicate intelligently instead of hatefully.

Posted by: omg3 | January 10, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin may not have intended to incite violence and this incident may have had nothing to do with it but she needs to learn to think before she speaks or keep her trap shut. She has somehow been allowed to become this unbelievable symbol of "what America wants" and she is dangerous because she believes her own publicity. It seems that she thinks anything she says or does should/will be embraced by people when she is really a crass and not particularly bright person who has a forum for her views. The shooter is just a slightly more deranged person who was easily pushed over the edge by the kind of rhetoric in this country today. And her moronic actions and speeches fuel the fire for someone like him. Maybe she didn't think about the fact that the "crosshairs" were also over a beautiful 9 year old girl who will never have the opportunity to experience life or perhaps bring great things to our country. Wake up Tea Party and Palin supporters- it's time to communicate intelligently instead of hatefully.

Posted by: omg3 | January 10, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin may not have intended to incite violence and this incident may have had nothing to do with it but she needs to learn to think before she speaks or keep her trap shut. She has somehow been allowed to become this unbelievable symbol of "what America wants" and she is dangerous because she believes her own publicity. It seems that she thinks anything she says or does should/will be embraced by people when she is really a crass and not particularly bright person who has a forum for her views. The shooter is just a slightly more deranged person who was easily pushed over the edge by the kind of rhetoric in this country today. And her moronic actions and speeches fuel the fire for someone like him. Maybe she didn't think about the fact that the "crosshairs" were also over a beautiful 9 year old girl who will never have the opportunity to experience life or perhaps bring great things to our country. Wake up Tea Party and Palin supporters- it's time to communicate intelligently instead of hatefully.

Posted by: omg3 | January 10, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Surveyors' markers?!!
Palin's goons believe the public is as dumb as her followers.
jeeeeez

Posted by: angie12106 | January 10, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a pathetic individual. Majority of the country is tired of her ill-witted comments but this is over the top. If any other citizen had posted a bullseye, ready aim, fire we would be under arrest. Now she is going to back track and pretend that was not her intent. Lets put her and Beck and Rush on a remote island and leave them to their tea party followers. This group incites violence. What has John McCain to say about his shining star?????

Posted by: patrhodeisland | January 10, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

This should be the end of Palin's so-called political "career." The immediate removal of the map off of her site says a lot.

Posted by: mal1055 | January 10, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

This should be the end of Palin's so-called political "career." The immediate removal of the map off of her site says a lot.

Posted by: mal1055 | January 10, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

This should be the end of Palin's so-called "career." The immediate removal of the map off of her site says a lot.

Posted by: mal1055 | January 10, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Remember months ago "bullseye" icon used 2 target the 20 Obamacare-lovin' incumbent seats? We won 18 out of 20 (90% success rate;T'aint bad)
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Posted by: maxamumm | January 10, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

'crosshairs you would see on a map...' Right.

Posted by: itsme1 | January 10, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Palin-bin Laden what's the difference. They both called for attacks in the U.S. Palin's map with her gunsights was nothing less than call for Jihad against certain U.S. politicians. Well Palin, you got your wish. So tell us who’s next on your Jihad list ? Tell us the names of the members of your terror cells so we can protect the rest of the politicians on your list ? bin Laden didn't fly any planes into the twin towers yet we all know that his rhetoric is responsible for the actions of the people who did, just as Palin should be held responsible for her rhetoric which lead to this tragic incident.

Posted by: wiserinvestor | January 10, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

She can try to backtrack all she wants, but Palin should be ashamed of herself, both for the rhetoric and the crosshairs ad.

Posted by: jtcritter | January 10, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I am not a Palin supporter by any means but I think I am more afraid of some of the people posting here than I am of her! People are actually insinuating that this young man gunned down all of these innocent folks because of these "bullseyes"? Without so much as a single shred of evidence that he was even a Palin supporter, much less influenced by her? Come on folks please don't let your hatred for Palin override your sanity.

Posted by: cbryant111 | January 10, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Palin's Facebook scrubbing of comments, removal of the map, and aides screaming "survey mark" to her admitted crosshair is just about the most laughable clean-up attempt I've ever seen.

If she is so innocent, and this is all liberal media hate, why take the map down? Why erase every comment on Facebook discussing the map?

Your guilty conscience is showing through, and the longer you refrain from admitting that the map was at least in poor taste, the less this nation will ever forgive or forget.

Posted by: spynnal | January 10, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Palin's Facebook scrubbing of comments, removal of the map, and aides screaming "survey mark" to her admitted crosshair is just about the most laughable clean-up attempt I've ever seen.

If she is so innocent, and this is all liberal media hate, why take the map down? Why erase every comment on Facebook discussing the map?

Your guilty conscience is showing through, and the longer you refrain from admitting that the map was at least in poor taste, the less this nation will ever forgive or forget.

Posted by: spynnal | January 10, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Reload Boys, we have some political-in-jons at 12 O’Clock High

"And it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," Obama said.

It is not surprising that Jared Loughner got bitter and clinged to his father’s guns.

It is not surprising that Sarah Palin, Rupert Murdoch, Sean Hanity, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, and Rush Limbaugh have antipathy toward people aren’t like them.

It is not surprising that Dick Army, Michele Bachmann, John Boehner, John McCain ,and Joe Wilson spew their anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-Affordable Health Care sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

McCain brought Palin to the civilized lower 48. Palin brought violence.

Jared Loughner– 1st Degree Murders
Sarah Palin
Rupert Murdoch
Sean Hanity
Bill O'Reilly
Glenn Beck
Rush Limbaugh

Dick Army-2nd Degree Murders
Michele Bachmann
John Boehner
John McCain
Joe Wilson

This is the dirty dozen that has blood on their hands. Within the last two years they have single handily set the tone with their reload mentality that will shape our future political landscape.

Sister Palin have suggested that the cross hairs on here web page’ map was targets, and it is surprising to note that if your nine years old child had been killed this weekend you would be comfort by your religion, local news papers commentators and FOX News.

Posted by: nateminor | January 10, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

sarah palin isn't funny anymore.

as much as i'd love to see her run for president and guarentee Obama a second term, I don't think it's worth the risk having her out there inciting the unhinged to acts of violence.

Arrest her, or just send her back to alaska.

Posted by: MarilynManson | January 10, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

This past weekend was a tragedy. We all, including myself, that post on these forums, commentaries, and chats are to blame for not allowing ourselves to have the signification of tempering our own rhetoric with common sense. We aren't always going to have the same opinions, and that's fine. blaming one another isn't going to get us to where we need to be either.
We as a Nation, no a World, need to stop being the hate mongers that we have become, and start to heal one another with the Love that we all have towards one another. We are irresponsible if we don't choose to do this right here right now. Enough of letting the Glenn Beck's and the Dylan Ratigan's make our decisions for us. Are we just nothing more than pond scum that has come fresh out of the water? I think we are more, much more.
Keith Olbermann apologized for his divisive comments this weekend, and asked others in his field to do the same. So far, it appears that some have taken the challenge, will others, including ourselves follow suit, and quit allowing the divisive Conservative Media tell us what to think?
Ronald Reagan put it like this in "It would take 50 years of Liberal Agenda to get back center by the time I'm done." We haven't hit center yet.
Many of the posts and comments that I've read from the right are still massively divided and this too needs to stop, in my opinion. We may not like what is happening, but we we can change what is happening, we just don't need violence to get there.
Thank you for listening.

Posted by: bettermsnbc | January 10, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Political rants, viscious talk, attacking "enemies", and don't forget full scale violence every time there's a WTO or World Bank conference.

Always an excuse when the Left does it.

Excused, rationalized and explained away.

It's called hypocrisy.

It's what the Left is famous for.

Now before the blood dries they're falling all over themselves pushing the narrative that this was all caused by the people the Left love to hate, starting with Evil Incarnate: Sarah Palin

It is nauseating to see low lifes try to exploit a tragedy for cheap, temporary political gain.

No shame.

Posted by: drjcarlucci | January 10, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

They look like crosshairs to me.

Posted by: jckdoors | January 10, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Palin critic Markos Moulitsas, on his Daily Kos blog, had included Rep. Gabrielle Giffords's district on a list of congressional districts "bullseyed" for primary challenges.

When Democrats use language like this—or even harsher language like Mr. Obama's famous remark, in Philadelphia during the 2008 campaign, "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun"—it's just evidence of high spirits, apparently.

But if Republicans do it, it somehow creates a climate of hate."

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Don't you get sick of the tit for tat? I mean really? Nope, it's not ok when anyone does it but Daily Kos staffers and owners aren't in the public eye or listened to the way Palin bas been. There are literally thousands of site like Daily Kos that spew all type of things that can be considered hate towards right wingers.

Palin does book tours, has a reality show, is clearly making sure she is front in center of everything hot in politics right now. Daily Kos isn't known all over the world and even though I read some of the articles, I rarely take anything these blogs say as gospel.

Palin was a public servant and is looking to run for the highest office in the land I am sure. Different standards? Possibly, but hey, that's how life works.

Stop playing dumb.

Posted by: tressoleilgoddess | January 10, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Of course, when a terrorist yelling "Allah Akhbar!" commits a crime Liberals fall all over themselves explaining how it has nothing to to with Islam or the vast majority of Muslims.

But there's no such restraint linking an attack by a lunatic to the Tea Party, Sarah Palin and everyone else they hate.

"If they bring a knife, we bring a gun", as candidate Obama said in 2008.

But that wasn't hate, I guess. Just free speech.

The DailyKos had posts, which the rushed to take down, stating Rep. Goffirds was in their cross-hairs.

No problem with that.

MSNBC's Olberman and Screamin' Ed are pure rant and bile.

But that's just free speech.

Funny, it's just Republicans who are on the Dark Side.

Basically, anything the Left disagrees with
is "hate speech".

ASs the posts here amply demonstrate.

Posted by: drjcarlucci | January 10, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Palin critic Markos Moulitsas, on his Daily Kos blog, had included Rep. Gabrielle Giffords's district on a list of congressional districts "bullseyed" for primary challenges.

When Democrats use language like this—or even harsher language like Mr. Obama's famous remark, in Philadelphia during the 2008 campaign, "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun"—it's just evidence of high spirits, apparently.

But if Republicans do it, it somehow creates a climate of hate."

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Don't you get sick of the tit for tat? I mean really? Nope, it's not ok when anyone does it but Daily Kos staffers and owners aren't in the public eye or listened to the way Palin bas been. There are literally thousands of site like Daily Kos that spew all type of things that can be considered hate towards right wingers.

Palin does book tours, has a reality show, is clearly making sure she is front in center of everything hot in politics right now. Daily Kos isn't known all over the world and even though I read some of the articles, I rarely take anything these blogs say as gospel.

Palin was a public servant and is looking to run for the highest office in the land I am sure. Different standards? Possibly, but hey, that's how life works.

Stop playing dumb.

Posted by: tressoleilgoddess | January 10, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Palin critic Markos Moulitsas, on his Daily Kos blog, had included Rep. Gabrielle Giffords's district on a list of congressional districts "bullseyed" for primary challenges.

When Democrats use language like this—or even harsher language like Mr. Obama's famous remark, in Philadelphia during the 2008 campaign, "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun"—it's just evidence of high spirits, apparently.

But if Republicans do it, it somehow creates a climate of hate."

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Don't you get sick of the tit for tat? I mean really? Nope, it's not ok when anyone does it but Daily Kos staffers and owners aren't in the public eye or listened to the way Palin bas been. There are literally thousands of site like Daily Kos that spew all type of things that can be considered hate towards right wingers.

Palin does book tours, has a reality show, is clearly making sure she is front in center of everything hot in politics right now. Daily Kos isn't known all over the world and even though I read some of the articles, I rarely take anything these blogs say as gospel.

Palin was a public servant and is looking to run for the highest office in the land I am sure. Different standards? Possibly, but hey, that's how life works.

Stop playing dumb.

Posted by: tressoleilgoddess | January 10, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

So Sarah Palin puts out a map indicating the Democrats she has "targeted" for defeat using SECTION CORNER SYMBOLS??? If so, she's more of an idiot than I thought. There's not much worse than a lying idiot. Pay no attention to the Palin behind the curtain.

Posted by: terryhill46 | January 10, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

So Sarah Palin puts out a map indicating the Democrats she has "targeted" for defeat using SECTION CORNER SYMBOLS??? If so, she's more of an idiot than I thought. There's not much worse than a lying idiot. Pay no attention to the Palin behind the curtain.

Posted by: terryhill46 | January 10, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

From WAPO, “The Fix”, Mar. 24, 2010:

The Democratic National Committee will spend more than $1 million on a combination of television and radio ads in nearly three dozen House districts aimed at seizing the momentum gained from the passage of President Obama's health care plan on Sunday night.

Ten Republicans will be TARGETED with 60 second radio ads "slamming them for [their] votes against and pinching them on repeal," said a party source briefed on the buy. Among the GOP TARGETS will be: Reps. Mark Kirk (Ill.), Jim Gerlach (Pa.), Dave Reichert (Wash.) and Joseph Cao (La.).

Posted by: lightnin001 | January 10, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

The approach of Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, Bachman, all of FOX News and other right wing spokesman always has a tinge of violence. They speak about defending, taking back, targeting, aiming, reload, etc. in ways that are meant to intimidate and incite. Of course they are to blame to some degree for fostering a culture of fear, hatred and violence. They can protest the fact that people find them at fault all they want. But the strength of their protest speaks volumes about the truth of their culpability.

Posted by: MickyD1 | January 10, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

And "Don't retreat... RELOAD!" ...the batteries on the surveying equipment.

Being treated like a child may work for the tea party, but not for me.

Posted by: trident420 | January 10, 2011 10:50 AM | Report abuse

And "Don't retreat... RELOAD!" ...the batteries on the surveying equipment.


Posted by: trident420 | January 10, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

And "Don't retreat... RELOAD!" ...the batteries on the surveying equipment.


Posted by: trident420 | January 10, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Does $arah think we're all dumb? She's not going to be able to squirm her way out of this one. Her map with the gunsights exists and she put it out there. The murders in Arizona are proof of the dangerous rhetoric she spews that can directly or indirectly influence paranoid people. She's reckless and irresponsible.

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | January 10, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

It is clear that this individual was not right in the head and there is no evidence that he saw this "crosshairs map". However, pulling the map and then denying that these were crosshairs when violent weapon imagery is used quite often in Sarah Palin rhetoric is an insult to anyone with half a brain and shows a lack of character. Did I expect anything more?

Posted by: qwerqwer1 | January 10, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Sarah is well aware of her awful metaphors, which were ok when she was cashing out. When an innocent 9 year old is murdered by this wacko, all the money in the world won't replace hers suffering the same fate from another wacko, she took the site down. Glenn Beck lost a NYC radio station because of lack of sponsorship, boycott his advertisers on FOXNEWS will get the same result, same for Savage and Limbaugh. We the people have the power, all we need is the effort.

Posted by: jameschirico | January 10, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Palin critic Markos Moulitsas, on his Daily Kos blog, had included Rep. Gabrielle Giffords's district on a list of congressional districts "bullseyed" for primary challenges.

When Democrats use language like this—or even harsher language like Mr. Obama's famous remark, in Philadelphia during the 2008 campaign, "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun"—it's just evidence of high spirits, apparently.

But if Republicans do it, it somehow creates a climate of hate.

Posted by: drjcarlucci | January 10, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

So, the cross-hairs were intended to be those of a theodolite? Dust off that degree in journalism, Sarah. You may need to stick to fiction. Truth is very clearly not your bag.

Posted by: halifar59 | January 10, 2011 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Who was Palin's aide? Piper? Bristol? I just do not want to hear anymore from that stupid woman. But hey, wingnuts, how's that folksy wolksy bullseye crap working for you now?

Posted by: LABC | January 10, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin would have done well to just say nothing. Her own words made clear what she meant by those cross hairs. They were not on the map for surveying purposes. Her unecessary explaination is an insult to anyone with an ounce of intelligence.

Sometimes the best statement is no statement at all.

Posted by: concernedaboutdc | January 10, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Just wondering if and when Sarah will be brought in for interrogation. Had I sent a similar message to the boy, by whatever means, I would be in handcuffs right now. And let's not lose sight of the fact that a person that many are calling unstable was walking around with a 9 mm Glock and 30 round clips. What might one possibly do with such a weapon? The answer is there for all to see.

Posted by: halifar59 | January 10, 2011 8:25 AM | Report abuse

A surveyor doesn't "reload". Palin, do you think we are stupid? This is despicable and tragic.

Posted by: DeleneSC | January 10, 2011 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Just wondering how everybody knows that the killer even saw that map.

Posted by: Volubilis | January 10, 2011 2:01 AM | Report abuse

As an Australian who has followed your politics for many years the rhetoric and vitriol of recent times is disturbing. Of particular concern is the Fox network ( run by that ex Australian Rupert Murdoch for whom I apologize ) which is clearly running a right wing agenda that cant deal with anyone who disagrees with them. Fox media is clearly one sided and agenda driven. When you have the combination of a biassed press and loony politicians like Sarah Palin the events in Arizona are not surprising and likely to continue.
I feel for America.

Posted by: Johnhb | January 10, 2011 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin comments to tells folks to "reload" and "aim" and "fire" a "first salvo" are deplorable and libelous. She should beware that the first salvo maybe followed by a second. For the Tea Party Leadership to think they are bullet proof could be a fatal mistake. Sarah Palins new nick name should now be Shooter. The blood money from her book can now line her needed attorneys pockets.

Posted by: countrycarl | January 10, 2011 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Just wait for the lawsuits to be filed against Palin, she's done.

Posted by: guy-washingtonpost | January 10, 2011 12:04 AM | Report abuse

"Keep'm in the crosshairs and reload". Thank you Sarah Palin for that evil, wicked witch, crystal ball, social commentary. The problem with novice, kitchen sink politicians, is they say whatever they think a certain strata of the population wants to hear. So they become the rambling mouth piece for the disenfranchised, marginalized sector of the population. And, as usual, there is always some half-baked Travis Bickel type character out there who feels she is speaking directly to him. So he takes her sound- bite, one liners as literal marching orders and we end up with a Tucson massacre. But this situation cannot be swept away as just another psycho-paranoid, delusional, loner loser. This person was motivated, purposeful, and (with a concealed, loaded, non-registered, but yet still legal handgun) he answered Palin's calling. Even the Congresswoman had stated that Palin's comments would lead to something tragic.
Sarah, you're just as responsible for these deaths as if you pulled the trigger yourself. Like a bull in a china shop. You have no clue what you’re saying. But you love the attention, the celebrity, and the money. Now you will never get elected in this country. Thank God for that.
May you and your entire family sleep in peace. I'm sure your victims will.

Posted by: appelshock | January 9, 2011 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm.. I understand that blaming the mentally disabled is easier for Palin and her counter parts to do than to admit that she is wrong for her comments, what a loser! I can't stand her and I hope that the next time she and her counterparts want to aim anything at someone they point it at each other. Maybe that way they will choose words that do not include reload and bulls eye.

Posted by: ebk1 | January 9, 2011 11:27 PM | Report abuse

An old Cherokee was talking to his grandson one evening. He told him , that in all of us are 2 wolves fighting.One is for evil.Hatred,envy,jealousy,resentment,self pity,lies and false pride. The other is good. which is love,peace,humility,hope,kindness,empathny,generosity,and truth. The grandson thought for a minute. He asked which one wins ? His granfather said, " The one that you feed the most." That is what Palin, Limbaugh,Beck and the rest of the Fox news family have been doing. Feeding the evil wolf in all of America.And, until those are held accountable for their actions there will be more incidents like this.

Posted by: truth1013 | January 9, 2011 11:26 PM | Report abuse

From The View, at the time of the original posting. No backpedaling then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU6F427158Q

Posted by: SarahBB | January 9, 2011 11:02 PM | Report abuse

For someone who supposedly knows a lot about journalism, she forgot one important concept; C.Y.A.

Cover
Your
____ (censored for posting sake)

Posted by: Falling4Ever | January 9, 2011 11:00 PM | Report abuse

"Sarah Palin crosshairs 'never intended to be gun sights,' says aide"

Oh really? Did Sara Palin think that symbol was for the Red Cross?

Posted by: hfaulk01 | January 9, 2011 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Palin's awfully quiet about this tragedy. Too quiet for someone with blood on her hands. Hope she's sleeping well tonight remembering all those helpless murdered people at her hands. Maybe this will put an end to Caribou Barbie's political aspirations and she'll just go back to Alaska and crawl under a rock so we won't have to put up with this nitwit.
Jim

Posted by: Jimbo81 | January 9, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how all these hate mongering, fear spreading people have spread the hate and now that someone has heeded their call, they are all saying, it has nothing to do with what we've said!! Oh really now! All you haters need to get a wake up call and STOP your disgusting rhetoric! I don't care what "side of the isle" you're on, this HAS TO STOP! You've fueled the fire and now it's out of control! Are you all happy now? I hope you are all very proud of yourselves. Especially you, Sarah Palin!!!!

Posted by: oneeggcream | January 9, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Its time to charge Sarah Palin with Criminal Solicitation then after that case is done a few civil suits thrown in for good measure should leave her cowering in Alaska with her tail between her legs.

Posted by: pnwmainah1 | January 9, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Is Sara Palin in jail yet? How much do you think her bail will be?

Posted by: SanchosR | January 9, 2011 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Dear Sarah, Todd, Fox and Tea Crackers; you are all responsible for the inflammatory rhetoric. You have sown the seeds now they are coming to fruition. Hate breeds ignorance, what does it take for zealots like yourselves to realize what you say can and does become fact for some people? Many of the fringe believe Beck is correct. Really, he says! I'm just entertaining! No (Mr. Beck)you violated the constitution, your own oath and obligation to the people. You should not be protected behind the 1st promoting your brand of politics; revolution, American values and such.
The FCC says no to the F word but OK to spewing hatred? Where's the monitoring by the evil empire?
TLC, shame on you. Drop the "surveyors symbol" on her show, it sucks, the Grizzly bears are more interesting. My favorite part is her shooting the reindeer, how long did she have to be trained not to fire that gun, it looked staged. Maybe next she can go shoot otter pups in Oregon or penguins in the Artic Circle.
No way on this Earth is this woman eligible to be more than a has been doormat prom queen (sorry I like the porn version queen better) move on witch!

Posted by: shirazeric | January 9, 2011 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Wildly irresonsible. And the backpedaling is disgusting. Sarah Palin, you are a day late and a dollar short in your expressions of "sympathy" after dispaying Representative Giffords as a target.

It's time to call them out for what they are.

Roger Ailes, President of Fox "News" and Political Strategist re Glenn Beck:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooPOmlm81Ro

It isn't just the doomsday scenarios, deliberate lies, hate-speech, and references to our President as a terrorist while they sit back and appreciate guests like Alex Jones for remarks about President Obama bringing in "total police-state control" to the U.S. -- it's also their weepy proclamations of love of country and "call to action" to fend off the enemy.

Stop letting this deliberate misinformation campaign off the hook.

And stop letting the wildly irresponsible rhetoric of today's Republican/Tea Party off the hook.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Posted by: jakrdy | January 9, 2011 9:59 PM | Report abuse

FOX News, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, Ann Coulter, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hanity AND THEIR SPONSORS SHOULD FEEL VERY PROUD TODAY. THEIR GOD SATAN IS SMILING AND SAYING GREAT WORK GUYS, I WILL BE THERE TO GREET YOU UPON YOUR DEATH.

Posted by: bnoinbetween | January 9, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

The time to have said this might have been when Ms. Giffords first objected to what appeared to be a bullseye on her back, not after the woman is lying in intensive care fighting for her life having been caught in a rifle scope in what some might call a fatwa acted on. The hateful website should have come down a long time ago, not just yesterday. And surveyor's markings? How stupid does she think people are? And how does that explain the rest of her guns directed at opponents rhetoric?

Posted by: SarahBB | January 9, 2011 9:41 PM | Report abuse

This is no "he said, she said" folks. Go to the Anchorage Daily News website and read what Alaska readers have to say about the Palin camp's before & after statements. Just one example:

TODAY: "We never ever, ever intended it to be gun sights. It was simply cross-hairs like you'd see on maps," said Rebecca Mansour on the Tammy Bruce radio show.

AND NOV. 4 TWEET:
Sarah Palin: Remember months ago "bullseye" icon used 2 target the 20 Obamacare-lovin' incumbent seats? We won 18 out of 20 (90% success rate;T'aint bad)

Facts, not TP fiction!

Posted by: akreader | January 9, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

One thing is sure, the right wing radio/tv pundits will be spinning this issue to no end! Their mongering of the current government has come to a head with tragic results and they have no one to blame but themselves, but lets see and hear who they do actually blame come Monday AM.
By the By, "Homunculus" are you simply little, or little minded?

Posted by: Ruffian1 | January 9, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Palin foolishly incorporated the imagery of guns and violence in her rhetoric and now its too late to try and walk back from the asociation. This could be the end of her political aspirations. Not that she actally wanted to hold office again but running for president fit nicely with her PR business plan. Besides becoming a pariah to many she now faces the specter of real danger on the campaign trail. Not sure she has the stomach for that element even though she has contributed to the poisonous atmosphere. Much safer to hunker down in Alaska and phone in the occasional piece to Fox News.

Posted by: Natmeister | January 9, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I guess I'm wondering if this tragedy in Tucson gives any pause at all to the people who voted for the McCain/Palin ticket in 2008. I suspect that many of those people were voting AGAINST Mr. Obama more than they were FOR an aging jet-jockey and the little-known Alaska governor, but nonetheless they were voting to install this silly woman in a position to possibly become the President of the United States, a "heart-beat away" from the most demanding leadership post in the world. Some benighted folks STILL think she is qualified to lead this nation. Can you imagine? If she is not a traitor, actively advocating the forcible overthrow of the duly elected government of the United States, she is, at the very least, an irresponsible twit, who gives no thought at all to the consequences of her incendiary verbiage. Just the sort of person we want to be the Commander-in-Chief, wouldn't you say?

Posted by: sailorashore | January 9, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse

pastor beck -- are you watering your little liberty tree with the blood of a nine year old girl?

Posted by: joeblow111 | January 9, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

sister sarah -- a nine year old girl's blood is dripping from your hands. nice work.

Posted by: joeblow111 | January 9, 2011 9:00 PM | Report abuse

This could be the end of Palin's political aspirations. Not that she ever wanted to hold office again but I felt running for president would be just part of her PR business plan. Now that the specter of physical violence against politicians has become manifest she may not want to play the game anymore. Much safer to hunker down in Alaska.

Posted by: Natmeister | January 9, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I've never in my life seen a less believable explanation. However in terms of tap-dancing political spin it is impressive.

It also indicates the contempt in which Palin's staff holds the American public.

We know what the symbols are, where's the responsibility from Palin's staffers? Where's the apology?

Posted by: pixel1 | January 9, 2011 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Sarah has a big WAR chest and for the right amount of money, may do another season on TV. Good then she will have funds to pay the class action suit of 19 dead and wounded CITIZENS.

I'm thinking she SHOT HERSELF IN THE FOOT.

Posted by: thomas1650 | January 9, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Sarah has a big WAR chest and for the right amount of money, may do another season on TV. Good then she will have funds to pay the class action suit of 19 dead and wounded CITIZENS.

I'm thinking she SHOT HERSELF IN THE FOOT.

Posted by: thomas1650 | January 9, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

What a liar! Since when does one "RELOAD" surveyor's symbols or map signs??

Sarah Palin didn't pull the trigger but she has blood on her hands.

And considering the fact that her website was removed yesterday afternoon she's gone into hiding and letting her lying spokeswoman to do the spinning for her, even she knows it though of course she will never take responsibility.

Posted by: solsticebelle | January 9, 2011 8:16 PM | Report abuse

If it has not happened yet, all people on Sara Palin's hit list should be given immediate protection by law enforcement. Hopefully there are armed guards at the hospital.

Posted by: SanchosR | January 9, 2011 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"Mansour agreed, adding that the graphic was contracted out to a professional and approved without much thought."

Of course it was done without much thought. That's how Sarah Idiot operates. It sure didn't take much thought to yank the site immediately following the shootings.

If they didn't think they had anything to do with it, why did the site get taken down? Pathetic. Here's another politician looking to cut-and-run from blame. Her lemmings will completely overlook it...as they have things associated with Sarah Idiot; namely lack of intellect, lack of responsibility and lack of self-restraint.

Posted by: pga6 | January 9, 2011 8:13 PM | Report abuse

That comment is right up there with Mary Matalin's after Cheney shot his hunting partner- "He didn't do anything wrong." Conservatives are supposed to believe in personal responsibility and accountability, unless it has to do with them standing up and being accountable.

Posted by: trawler | January 9, 2011 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin should be ashamed of herself for inciting the lunatics and fringe element so she can gain a "name" for herself and earn millions. "Reload" that refers to guns -- using guns against those who do not agree with her and using a gun sight graphic in her maps ... it is why this woman will never gain respect or the votes sufficient to run for President.

Her "aide" is lying and is now trying to re-write history as to what the intent was of Sarah's gun sight graphics ... if not using those gun sight graphics to politically kill off the Democratic opposition, like Gabby Giffords ... Sarah needs to own up to her overreaching rhetoric and do the right thing by way of Gabby and at the very least APOLOGIZE

Posted by: OShaunnessey | January 9, 2011 7:57 PM | Report abuse


I do not have strong feelings one way or the other about Sarah Palin. However the cross-hair map and the "RELOAD" comment are totally unacceptable rhetoric. Bring it down a few notches, OK, Sarah?


Posted by: SCOTTSCHMIDTT | January 9, 2011 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Palin, along with the entire Republican leadership, are liars. Why take down the site this weekend. We all know what you meant you liar.

Posted by: Annandale | January 9, 2011 7:46 PM | Report abuse

It is way beyond time that the media and the public stopped paying attention to Sarah Palin and her comments about anything (be they political or personal). Even before yesterday's events I thought that she was a racist, dangerous, stupid person, and now I blame her for what happened in Tuscon. Let us totally ignore her, and hopefully she and her family will crawl back into the holes from which they came.

Posted by: falafel9 | January 9, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

"Surveyor's Symbol?"

Give me a break. There were plenty of complaints when this map first came out last year, including complaints from conservatives. Elisabeth Hasselbeck, a big Palin supporter, chastised Miss Palin last year for this map.

Did anyone from Palin's camp last year say these were just "surveyor's symbols?" I doubt it.

Regardless of whether or not this kook was influenced by the map, there is strong possibility kooks can be influenced by suggestive maps like this and the hateful rhetoric people like Palin use.

Regardless of whether or not this nut was influenced by the map, the map was wrong. It simply was wrong.

It was so foreboding when this map first came out last year that Ms. Giffords herself said that the map was wrong and could have consequences.

Why do people like Palin even put out suggestive maps like this? Why do people like Sharron Angle use language such as "resort to 2nd Amendment rights?" Why do people like Michelle Bachmann even use language such as she wants people to be "armed and dangerous?"

It is wrong. Why can't these right wingers see this? If this type of rhetoric and symbology causes just one nut to lose his mind like the guy yesterday, it should not be done.

And, to tell you the truth, even if this nut didn't take his que directly from Palin's map, Palin's map has directly contributed to the hateful divisiveness today, a divisiveness which is in large part caused by many right wingers who use this vile rhetoric. This guy apparently has great hatred of government, and that's what the right wingers espouse....a hatred of government.

Posted by: Denjudge | January 9, 2011 7:02 PM | Report abuse

ON MARCH 28 2010 SARAH PALIN POSTED: In the battle, set your sights on next season’s targets! From the shot across the bow – the first second’s tip-off – your ………leaders will be in the enemy’s crosshairs­­, so you must execute strong defensive tactics. You won’t win only playing defense, so get on offense! The crossfire is intense, so penetrate through enemy territory by bombing through the press, and use your strong weapons – your Big Guns – to drive to the hole. Shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win.”
-Sarah Palin
A HP READER posted her own quote on her Facebook and it was deleted after the Tradegy yesterday !!!!

Posted by: gihugh2 | January 9, 2011 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I am European and I loved to live in the US. However, the recent events made me think if it is time to leave, when people that have a different opinion are not only called "unamerican" but are harmed or killed. The political climate of the last 2 years that was mostly driven by the hysteria on the right has finally led to grave consequences. Unfortunately, it was just a matter of time until somebody in a country that is armed to the teeth would follow Sarah Palin's call for politically motivated murder.

Posted by: dawiena | January 9, 2011 6:47 PM | Report abuse

ON MARCH 28 2010 SARAH PALIN POSTED: In the battle, set your sights on next season’s targets! From the shot across the bow – the first second’s tip-off – your ………leaders will be in the enemy’s crosshairs­­, so you must execute strong defensive tactics. You won’t win only playing defense, so get on offense! The crossfire is intense, so penetrate through enemy territory by bombing through the press, and use your strong weapons – your Big Guns – to drive to the hole. Shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win.”
-Sarah Palin
A HP READER posted her own quote on her Facebook and it was deleted after the Tradegy yesterday !!!!

Posted by: gihugh2 | January 9, 2011 6:47 PM | Report abuse

'never intended to be gun sights,' A BLATANT LIE! Surveyors sights have a Christian style cross with a blue dot. LIAR

Posted by: Kit9 | January 9, 2011 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Sarah, Sarah, Sarah. You were so proud of your bullseye idea when you first did it. And now this poor excuse as you try to backpedal. Sarah, you did it -- time to live by your words and MAN UP!

Posted by: smf721 | January 9, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Man, is this a sorry case of CYA (cover your a**). Surveyor's symbol, my a**. palin wouldn't know one of those if it bit her on the butt.Since when does someone "reload" a surveyor's map? This woman's as dumb as palin.

Posted by: mikel7 | January 9, 2011 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Man, is this a sorry case of CYA (cover your a**). Surveyor's symbol, my a**. palin wouldn't know one of those if it bit her on the butt.Since when does someone "reload" a surveyor's map? This woman's as dumb as palin.

Posted by: mikel7 | January 9, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

What a load of B.S. The trailer trash princess of Alaska now backpedals because of this tragedy. She's ultimately responsible for what's on her website, though a scapegoat will surely be found.
Can't take the heat now that the inevitable result of her hate-filled rhetoric has come to pass.

Posted by: Sirius2 | January 9, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

When you allow an uneducated, illiterate, stupid red-neck, go on national television boasting the "killing for fun", the reality show becomes a criminal surrealsitic event.
Yet, there are imbeciles who, with their tea bags hanging down, agree with the moral and intellectual fringes of society.
Since the right-wingers don't take any responsibility for their acts, I won't either. So here it is in the name of freedom of speech: I wish somebody would shoot Palin, the Three Stooges of False News and that derranged, morbidly obese radio psychopath.
I am not responsible if someone eliminates them, I am not asking anyone to do it, but if someone does....so be it! I am not rsponsible for the acts of others, I am solely excercising my rights of freedom of speech.

Posted by: analyst72 | January 9, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Its a bit beyond absurd to blame Sarah Palin for the act of some Psychotic nut job. Jared Loughner "is" a Psychotic, and one that likely is also suffering from Schizophrenia.


Its always best when these crazies kill themselves instead of other people but we all know they do exist...we just hope we can find them before they hurt someone. We also all know we dont always find the crazies in time.


Blaming Palin is not only disingenuous but hypocritically ingenuous and self serving reading these posts and with the politics expressed here. All hate and vitrol really.


I suggest a review of the definition of Psychosis for many of these posters laying blame in this forum. Psychosis is a loss of contact with reality, usually including false ideas about what is taking place or who one is (delusions) and seeing or hearing things that aren't there (hallucinations).


A cursory review of the posts here fit that bill, just saying and if the shoe fits...but instead of looking to place blame where blame doesn't exist maybe all these haters should put thier energies towards praying for the victims of this maniac and thier families. This scumbag Loughner killed a nine year old girl yesterday amoungst others and all many in this forum are griping about is Sarah Palin. Think about praying, and perhaps seeking mental help.

Posted by: Homunculus | January 9, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

This guy was pretty clearly unhinged. He may or may not have been incited to violence by the Palin-Beck-Hannity-Reactionary machine -- it truly may have been his own psychosis that led him to this. But for anybody to publicly claim that the imagery and rhetoric of "crosshairs," "bullseye," "target (as a verb), "reload," etc. was not intentionally used to whip up anger, aggression and indignantly self-righteous rage is blatant cowardice. They want to be seen as courageous and take-no-prisoners, guardians of real America and the rights our country guarantees -- but when their rhetoric bites them, they fold and lie about their words and actions worse than the most jaded career politician.

Posted by: banskd | January 9, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin, her pathetic lying aides, and the Republican leadership bear partial moral responsibility for these murders.

Let's start with a civil law suit.

Which party is full of BS rhetoric about RESPONSIBILITY?

Posted by: clearthinking1 | January 9, 2011 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Sarah. No amount of spin-doctoring will absolve you of moral culpability in this incident.
You reap what you sow.

Posted by: labman57 | January 9, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh, the hypocrisy.


** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose a-s-s to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”


Posted by: Bevhome | January 9, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

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Yeah, but where are the mass shootings being commited by "leftists" or Obama supporters?

Posted by: nsu1203 | January 9, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Man, is this a sorry case of CYA (cover your a**). Surveyor's symbol, my a**. palin wouldn't know one of those if it bit her on the butt.Since when does someone "reload" a surveyor's map? This woman's as dumb as palin.

Posted by: mikel7 | January 9, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

This is a quote from Joe McGinnis, the book author who moved next to the Palins in Alaska last year and then left last September:
"It's just a peculiar thing, but she does, as I found out in May, she presses a button and what comes back is hate," he said. "The people who respond when she complains about something are just so filled with hate. I got some of the ugliest, most vile e-mails directed at me, my grandchildren, my children, my wife - just ugly, ugly stuff."

Posted by: glenmayne | January 9, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

There is something wrong in this country. Sarah Palin can be chosen as running mate by John McCain and thought of as a potential Presidential candidate even though her husband supports Alaska's secession from the union (which to me means he is a traitor to the U.S., why would we want his wife in power so she can help him destroy our nation). She spouts violence and the Tea Partiers eat it up. Sharon Angle can get 45 percent of the vote even though she talks about "second amendment remedies". 45% of the people think if you don't win it's OK to use a gun to win???? Don't people think twice about this move towards violence? Do Tea Partiers really think that if the violence they seem to not mind actually happens that it could destroy their country? Do they really think their social security checks will keep coming in the mail after the violence starts? Guess what, if you succeed in starting a revolution, there won't be any more checks and there will not be anyone to deliver them because when you start to take down the U.S. you have no idea how it will end. What is wrong with people? Disagreement yes, wanting a Republican to win over a Democrat (or vice versa) is great. But this violence and demonization of politicians has got to stop today or this great country of ours will one day be destroyed from within. Stop the violence today and demand others stop using violent rhetoric.

Posted by: garykevin | January 9, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I'd like the right to offer concrete examples of the alleged "threats" directed to GOP members. Real proof too, not anecdotal fairy tales made-up by staff to garner "us too" sympathy. And spare me the "ELF" and "new Black Panthers" nonsense.

Palin brayed to the public that it's time to "... RELOAD!" To my knowledge, surveyors don't "reload" their transits.

But gunmen reload their guns, right Marshall Palin?

Posted by: MaggieCA | January 9, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Palin's aide is a liar who should be fired. She needs to `man up' and take responsibility for the results of her actions. This is at least in part her fault.

Posted by: Nymous | January 9, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

This is what we got when we let guns flow like water in this country all the while not doing background checks. This sickens and enrages me. Unfortunately such massacres never seem to translate into stricter gun policy which makes think that perhaps our country tacitly accepts this behavior for the sake of our freedoms.

Combine all of this with the militant right wing rhetoric and this is the end product.

At the end of the day unfortunately I think anyone who wants a gun can get one with enough effort, but we sure as hell could make it a lot harder than we do. My thoughts and prayers with the deceased and the grieving.

Posted by: DavidStarrels | January 9, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a bigger danger to the United States than Saddam Hussein was. We have terror within and not even coming from within the real United States but from Alaska which after all we bought from Russia and we all know what Russia is like. That's the mentality.

Posted by: observator1000 | January 9, 2011 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Liar, Liar Pants on fire! Why would they use surveyor's benchmarks on a political map?
Palin is all about guns. That's half of what she talks about. Why would anyone assume the cross marks are surveyor's marks?

Posted by: glenmayne | January 9, 2011 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Sarah, please renounce your citizenship and emmigrate to Russia or Red China. Nobody thinks you're funny anymore.

Posted by: veerle1 | January 9, 2011 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. Those do look like surveyor's symbols. How about the democrats "target" map they used in 2004. If you actually do a little bit of research, the democrats had a target map too. Actually, they had several. The targets really do look like targets. And are even referred to as targets on the map. But we never heard any outrage then. Why? Because reasonable people know what these maps are for and don't come to silly conclusions about their purpose. Grow up people.

Posted by: djl2357 | January 9, 2011 6:13 PM | Report abuse

If it wasn't for her aids telling her what cross-hairs were she'd be too stupid to know on her own. This is the best the Republicans can put up as one of their stars?

Posted by: fmschiav | January 9, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Sure, putting crosshairs on polititcal opponents and statements like "Don't Retreat--RELOAD!" would never inspire psycho's to gun anyone down. Works great for the true tea bagger crowd. Sooner or later some crazy constititution quoter with no connection to any political group acts on the tea bagger inspirations.

Posted by: jm125 | January 9, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse

And that is why the Pied Piper and her rats have no business near government. She is a dim wit and severely out of touch with the potential consequences of her actions. It is not what she supposedly intended (which is itself extraordinarily disingenuous); it is precisely how her magic wand will be understood by the intended audience and the others who hear it.

Posted by: CharacterCounts | January 9, 2011 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, the day we all knew was coming arrived in the parking lot of a Tucson shopping mall yesterday, and the blood of the innocents, including a 9-year old girl who was there to learn about "her government," is dripping from the hands of right-wing, violence-encouraging hate mongers, and especially FOX News, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, Ann Coulter, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hanity and the Tea Party lunatics.

Posted by: Epistolarian | January 9, 2011 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Palin: "Gotcha!"

Sarah Palin is said to have cried out: "Gotcha!" after she had heard about the shooting of Gabrielle Gifford.

Can anybody confirm that or supply some more information please?

Posted by: nomansland | January 9, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, the day we all knew was coming arrived in the parking lot of a Tucson shopping mall yesterday, and the blood of the innocents, including a 9-year old girl who was there to learn about "her government," is dripping from the hands of right-wing, violence-encouraging hate mongers, and especially FOX News, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, Ann Coulter, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hanity and the Tea Party lunatics.

Posted by: Epistolarian | January 9, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"We never ever, ever intended it to be gun sights," said Rebecca Mansour,
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Uh, Rebecca, dear... if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, I'd reckon it to be an f'n duck. Take yer head outta u-arse and chill the spin.

Posted by: mooncusser | January 9, 2011 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Bruce and Mansour are just risible, not even smart enough to be considered pathetic liars.

Posted by: jibe | January 9, 2011 5:55 PM | Report abuse

She and her horrid supporters can go straight to HeXX!

Posted by: sufi66 | January 9, 2011 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Sarah and Mansour must think we're pretty dumb to buy the lies they keep peddling. Despicable hypocrites. Next they will say the crosshairs are actually, if you look real close, a Biblical symbol of love and charity.

Posted by: lstrauss2 | January 9, 2011 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Adolf Hitler never personally killed anyone when he led Nazi Germany. He got others to do it, through his adroit use of words and imagery. He would be very pleased to learn that the "crosshairs" were really "surveyors symbols." Who could think otherwise?

Posted by: RoJaKa | January 9, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Sarah, BULLS#$T!

Posted by: fishman2 | January 9, 2011 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Sure it was a map symbol, and when Palin said, "Don't retreat, reload," she was referring to a DVD player?

Posted by: dclc | January 9, 2011 5:46 PM | Report abuse

What a crock- then why did they take this content down? Apparently Palin came to the same conclusion everyone else did about her motivations

The problem is, a large segment of the GOP-voting public get their news from one or two outlets - Fox, Rush, etc. They are therefore, "low-information" citizens, easily manipulated by their sources of information, which are often grossly inaccurate

For example Glenn Beck recently made statements that get repeated on this board to the effect of:

Nazism = Communism
Communism=Socialism
Liberals=Socialists

Of course, all 3 statements are false. This is just one example. Words matter. Low information voters cannot distinguish between nuanced symbolism and a call to action - they act! Knowing this, it is imperative for their leadership to now communicate very clearly with their followers to cool down- this must not happen again.

Posted by: staussfamily | January 9, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Come on, Lock and Load, Don't retreat - reload, crosshairs? You actually think she meant that as a surveyors symbol??? If you're defending Sarah on this then you have truly gone off the deep end. She meant it just like it sounds...she was just too stupid to understand that someone might actually do it. Some of you would follow Sarah right off a cliff. We tell our children to be careful of what they say, time for us to say the same thing to Sarah Palin and others like her.

Posted by: mspachy | January 9, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

LIAR.

Posted by: rbaldwin2 | January 9, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

LIAR.

Posted by: rbaldwin2 | January 9, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain brought Palin to the civilized lower 48. Palin brought violence.

Posted by: truth1 | January 9, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

McCain brought Palin to the civilized lower 48. Palin brought violence.

Posted by: truth1 | January 9, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

We will hear lies from all of them from this day forward......trying to cover their asses. Those sites on Palin's map were targets.....she said it herself "bullseye". Moran and Bruce are just trying to make Palin NOT look guilty. Will they ever stop with the lies? Will they?

Posted by: conniesassistant | January 9, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

We will hear lies from all of them from this day forward......trying to cover their asses. Those sites on Palin's map were targets.....she said it herself "bullseye". Moran and Bruce are just trying to make Palin NOT look guilty. Will they ever stop with the lies? Will they?

Posted by: conniesassistant | January 9, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

We will hear lies from all of them from this day forward......trying to cover their asses. Those sites on Palin's map were targets.....she said it herself "bullseye". Moran and Bruce are just trying to make Palin NOT look guilty. Will they ever stop with the lies? Will they?

Posted by: conniesassistant | January 9, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin - Murderer.

Posted by: PulSamsara | January 9, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

If Ms. Palin was knowledgeable of the news and responsible, she would have known that this kind of suggestion resulted in a doctor being gunned down in a church last year which made national news, and if she is presidential caliber material, should have been more forethinking. Maybe Saturday Night Live's renditions are not far off afterall.

Posted by: janecolby | January 9, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Sarah Palin caused this to happen. But that's irrelevant to me. This is a woman -- a self-proclaimed good Christian woman -- whose primary metaphor for addressing political disagreements with her fellow citizens involves guns and targets associated with human names. Yes, it's just a metaphor. But, whether anyone ever got shot or not, it told me everything I needed to know about her and how she sees the world.

Posted by: CalFan | January 9, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse

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Your comment is awaiting moderation.

There are many of us out here that were appalled by what these folks said:

"Don't retreat, reload!"

- Sarah Palin, former Governor of Alaska

"If this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies."

- Sharron Angle, former member of the Nevada State Assembly

"If ballots don't work, bullets will."

- Joyce Kaufman, Radio host, Tea Party activist

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

- Currently serving United States Congresswoman from Minnesota Michele Bachmann, leader of the Tea Party Caucus, paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson

"Sarah Palin has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district and when people do that, they've gotta realize there are consequences to that action."
January 9, 2011 02:09 pm at 2:09 pm |
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Isn't it amazing how "top political adviser" seems dumb founded by postings from people like you and me "and I'm not a witch" that we see a direct correlation between rhetoric and tactics used by right-wing leadership nuts to the assignation attempt on democrat.

Again I post evidence:
"Don't retreat, reload!"

- Sarah Palin, former Governor of Alaska

"If this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies."

- Sharron Angle, former member of the Nevada State Assembly

"If ballots don't work, bullets will."

- Joyce Kaufman, Radio host, Tea Party activist

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

- Currently serving United States Congresswoman from Minnesota Michele Bachmann, leader of the Tea Party Caucus, paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson

"Sarah Palin has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district and when people do that, they've gotta realize there are consequences to that action."
January 9, 2011 02:21 pm at 2:21 pm |
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One last comment then I'll shut-up. This article is intended to deflect blame/culpability by those in the right-wing party who I imagine are only concerned about lost income from speaking fees. I hope Sarah is force to live out the rest of her miserable life living off the millions in ill got gains and fighting liability claims in the court of law.
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Posted by: tonyreeves | January 9, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Certainly not very Christian...

Posted by: WmLaney | January 9, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin - Murderer.

Posted by: PulSamsara | January 9, 2011 5:31 PM | Report abuse


Why does this ditz need an aide. She is a nobody.


Posted by: mortified469 | January 9, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

One more example of how clueless Palin is, Thank God she is not in office.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | January 9, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

If they were not "bullseyes"(as Witlfess,herself, descirbed them) or "cross-hairs", why did Palin scrub them from her website.? Surveyor's symobls-ANOTHER BIG PALIN LIE. Respond with non-violence.

TIME FOR THE NATIONAL SHUNNING OF SARAH PALIN

Posted by: BBear1 | January 9, 2011 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I figured it would not be long before some enterprising journalist, so-called, would establish ties between Sarah Palin and the tragedy suffered by Rep. Giffords and the other victims of this shooting.
Amazing.

Posted by: djphilbin | January 9, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Giffords was also among a group of Democratic House candidates featured on the Web site of Sarah Palin’s political action committee with cross hairs over their districts, a fact that disturbed Ms. Giffords at the time.

“We’re on Sarah Palin’s targeted list,” Ms. Giffords said last March. “But the thing is the way that she has it depicted has the cross hairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they’ve got to realize there’s consequences to that.”


and


"After that, during her re-election campaign, protesters gathered on most Saturdays on the same corner shouting and holding signs that said things like “Gabby, You’re Gone.”

“On a typical Saturday this corner is filled with Tea Party protesters,” said Brenda Tyler, who was with her husband, Lyndon. “I’ve seen signs saying things like ‘It’s time to reload’ and ‘One way or another, you’re gone.”‘ A real estate agency in the neighborhood had a sign out front that said “Goodbye Gabby” and showed the silhouette of a witch on a broom,” she said. It had been taken down on Saturday. "

Tell me that this doesn't create an atmosphere for the unhinged to do their bidding.

Posted by: FoundingMother | January 9, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has consistenly used language such as "lock and load" and other statements sssociate with the use of firearms. She can use fatuous statements now such as "not intending" that those crosshairs should be interpreted in any way to promote violence. Does she think she's dealing with 5 year olds? Her ingratiating comment after this abomination about "praying for peace and justice" is, to me, approaching blasphemy. She intended exactly what those crosshairs conveyed and shortly after signing the healthcare bill, Gabrielle Giffords received threats and her office vandalized and now this. Of course the young shooter clearly has mental health issues....ALL THE MORE REASON WHY INTELLIGENT AND THINKING, CARING CITIZENS WILL MONITOR WHAT THEY SAY IN PUBLIC because mentally challenged individuals can take those words as an invitation to commit violence. Ms. Palin can say what she wants, NOW, about what she meant...most of us out here understand very clearly what she really meant and all her backtracking will never erase what was out there in her ads and on blogs.

Posted by: rstravis1 | January 9, 2011 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Come on Sarah Palin, what about Lock and Reload??? Your horrid words give unstable people permission to do unspeakable things. So now we say to you..."Thanks but no thanks" Not so cute anymore are you.

Posted by: jms8038 | January 9, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Come on Sarah Palin, what about Lock and Reload??? Your horrid words give unstable people permission to do unspeakable things. So now we say to you..."Thanks but no thanks" Not so cute anymore are you.

Posted by: jms8038 | January 9, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Someone said: "Whether you use a graphic of crosshairs or bullseye or target etc, the meaning cannot be misunderstood as anything other than "something to be shot at".

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I was just at the National Weather Service web site checking this evenings forecast and they put a cross hair directly on my Lat/Long.

So you think they mean to shoot at me?

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Here are the top Google lists when searching for Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee articles.

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Daily Kos: 2008 DCCC Target List
Mar 23, 2008 ... -Several states have an exceptionally high number of races making the target list; Florida itself counts for 11% of the DCCC targets this ...
www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/23/184434/095/247/482830 - Cached

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DCCC target list is a mixed bag - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room
Jan 15, 2010 ... out a list of 26 “races to watch. Many on the list are easy calls.
thehill.com/blogs/.../76331-dccc-target-list-is-a-mixed-bag - Cached - Similar
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DCCC pegs Rep.-elect Stivers as early target - The Hill's Ballot Box
The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) revealed an early ...
thehill.com/.../133167-dccc-pegs-rep-elect-stivers-an-early-target - Cached
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DCCC Targets for 2012 : Roll Call
Dec 28, 2010 ... The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee will go after these Republicans during the next cycle. Democrats believe these GOP Members ...
www.rollcall.com/news/-201961-1.html - Cached
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Tinklenberg added to DCCC target list | Minnesota Independent ...
Oct 14, 2008 ... Elwyn Tinklenberg has been added to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee's Red to Blue list of targeted House races. The DCCC ...
minnesotaindependent.com/.../tinklenberg-added-to-dccc-target-list - Cached

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Blaming Palin for anything is simply something mindless children do.

Anyone realize Giffords was a strong supporter of Arizona's SB1070 immigration bill? Or that she voted against Nancy Pelosi for Minority Leader this week? Or that she is a gun owner and a strong gun rights supporter, against the D.C. gun ban and the Chicago gun ban law?

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Does anyone wonder how much attention this kid would have received if he had been at a Safeway store on the other side of town shooting people?

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Posted by: Hawaiian_Gecko | January 9, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Whether you use a graphic of bullseye or target etc, the meaning cannot be misunderstood as anything other than "something to be aimed at". But the use of "crosshairs" is specific to the sight of a gun. On can not miss the connotation here which is something to be "shot" at.

I am trying hard not to jump to conclusions on whether or not this individual was incited to act from this imagery or not. I hope not.

But the fact of the matter is, some individuals who are a bit "unhinged" COULD be incited to act. This is no different than bands who use "words" in songs that inadvertently incite teenagers to commit suicide after relating to the imagery of the words and music. They too can be sued for causing someone to act.

Sarah Palin and others like her that are media and political leaders have a great deal of power. With that power comes a great deal of responsibility. If you want this power...you must also accept that responsibility.

Posted by: VikiAnderson | January 9, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Whether you use a graphic of bullseye or target etc, the meaning cannot be misunderstood as anything other than "something to be aimed at". But the use of "crosshairs" is specific to the sight of a gun. On can not miss the connotation here which is something to be "shot" at.

I am trying hard not to jump to conclusions on whether or not this individual was incited to act from this imagery or not. I hope not.

But the fact of the matter is, some individuals who are a bit "unhinged" COULD be incited to act. This is no different than bands who use "words" in songs that inadvertently incite teenagers to commit suicide after relating to the imagery of the words and music. They too can be sued for causing someone to act.

Sarah Palin and others like her that are media and political leaders have a great deal of power. With that power comes a great deal of responsibility. If you want this power...you must also accept that responsibility.

Posted by: VikiAnderson | January 9, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me Sarah Palin and her supporters in the New American Fascist Party are advocating the overthrow of the Government by force and violence. The result? Attacks on constitutionally elected legislators, the murder of Federal Judges. Who provides the funds for their propaganda efforts? Who are the rightwing extremists and their fellow travelers?

Why do they hate America??? These terrorists and their sympathizers need to be held to account!

Posted by: thebobbob | January 9, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

They were definitely meant to be crosshairs. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's someone too cowardly to stand by their actions. Palin gave the go ahead for gun sights being used on political candidates and talked about their "removal" from office.

As for the Fox News cutting away, I was actually watching that when it happened and turned off Fox News the rest of the day at that point. Up till then, as much as it pains me to say, Fox had done a great job covering the story throughout the day. I think they were the first with relevant interviews and information about the shooter. Shepard Smith and his team did a good job till the cut away which I imagine is more of a network mandate than Shepard's fault.

Posted by: VAChristopher | January 9, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was among a group of Democratic House candidates who were featured on the Web site of Sarah Palin’s political action committee with cross hairs over their districts, a fact that disturbed Ms. Giffords at the time.

“We’re on Sarah Palin’s targeted list,” Ms. Giffords said last March. “But the thing is the way that she has it depicted has the cross hairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they’ve got to realize there’s consequences to that.”

Posted by: HughBriss | January 9, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Whether you use a graphic of crosshairs or bullseye or target etc, the meaning cannot be misunderstood as anything other than "something to be shot at". I am trying hard not to jump to conclusions on whether or not this individual was incited to act from this imagery or not. I hope not.

But the fact of the matter is, some individuals who are a bit "unhinged" COULD be incited to act. This is no different than bands who use "words" in songs that inadvertently incite teenagers to commit suicide after relating to the imagery of the words and music. They too can be sued for causing someone to act.

Sarah Palin and others like her that are media and political leaders have a great deal of power. With that power comes a great deal of responsibility. If you want this power...you must also accept that responsibility.

Posted by: VikiAnderson | January 9, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it the same symbol the Zodiac used?

Posted by: aistobasbistoc | January 9, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

What a load of total rubbish!! Of course they were meant to be gun crosshairs - everyone understands that.

Now we will see massive spin to deny the reality.

Palin and everyone who supports this hag ought to be ashamed - but I don't think that reptiles have any sense of shame.

Thanks, John McCain, for bringing this disgraceful, ignorant, deceitful woman to promenence in the US!!

She is now an accomplice to murder, plain and simple.

Posted by: LeoDaCat | January 9, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

What a load of total rubbish!! Of course they were meant to be gun crosshairs - everyone understands that.

Now we will see massive spin to deny the reality.

Palin and everyone who supports this hag ought to be ashamed - but I don't think that reptiles have any sense of shame.

Thanks, John McCain, for bringing this disgraceful, ignorant, deceitful woman to promenence in the US!!

She is now an accomplice to murder, plain and simple.

Posted by: LeoDaCat | January 9, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

What a load of total rubbish!! Of course they were meant to be gun crosshairs - everyone understands that.

Now we will see massive spin to deny the reality.

Palin and everyone who supports this hag ought to be ashamed - but I don't think that reptiles have any sense of shame.

Thanks, John McCain, for bringing this disgraceful, ignorant, deceitful woman to promenence in the US!!

She is now an accomplice to murder, plain and simple.

Posted by: LeoDaCat | January 9, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

What a load of total rubbish!! Of course they were meant to be gun crosshairs - everyone understands that.

Now we will see massive spin to deny the reality.

Palin and everyone who supports this hag ought to be ashamed - but I don't think that reptiles have any sense of shame.

Thanks, John McCain, for bringing this disgraceful, ignorant, deceitful woman to promenence in the US!!

She is now an accomplice to murder, plain and simple.

Posted by: LeoDaCat | January 9, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Palin had better come out and say something if she wants to preserve her reputation (yeah, I know, what reputation?). Keith Olberman said it well yesterday, everyone, across the board, must categorically repudiate violence and any figurative reference to it in public discourse. To say leftists who have used violent rhetoric are thus hypocritical is beside the point; everyone, especially public figures, is responsible for maintaining the civility of the political atmosphere. It is particularly important that the frequently gun-brandishing Palin publicly set the record straight, one way or the other.

Posted by: charleslaughlin | January 9, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin, you are considered a leader in the Republican Party. When you post graphics of shooting bullseye targets on congressmen and congresswomen, have photos of you shooting guns, use language such as "crosshairs", and spout anti-government rhetoric no matter the substance of a particular issue, you are acting irresponsibly and bear responsibility for how people view your leadership and actions. You hold President Obama responsible for what he says and does, so take responsibility yourself. There are a lot of crazy people in this country and by pretending to ignore that many of them can be influenced by such actions and inflammatory talk demonstrates your utter contempt for the well-being of your country and the dangerousness of your existence in public life. Just get out before you help to get someone else killed.

Posted by: bmo124 | January 9, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Of course Palin will have an excuse for her suggestive language and symbols that she uses in almost all her speeches and on her website. Bullseyes, targets, crosshairs all have to do with weapons being aimed at something. In her case and many other of her like minded politicans, they are aimed at their opponets. This is the way some conservative republicans / tea party activist advertised prior to the November election. Gov. Haley of SC displayed a TV add with a portrait of her opponet "Sheheen" and as the spoke negatively against him, bullet holes appeared to shoot him in the chest and etc 3 or 4 times. Where was the objection to the perceived violence here? Palin and her party laugh and think this is a joke, while unstable nuts see it as approval to commit violence. Unfortunately, we live in a society that sees violence on TV and movies 24 hrs a day. To even suggest that it would be appropriate, even in jest, for politicians to approve this suggestive advertising speaks more about their character than the lies that come out of their mouths. This, is what you voted for America, now you can wonder if you did the right thing. Are we all at risks now because you want to rebel against the government to satisfy your ideological beliefs? Where were you when these problems were building 10+ yrs ago? "You reap what you sow" at the expense of your fellow Americans. During the cold war, Russia said they would not have to destroy America because we would do it to ourselves. I think they might be right.

Posted by: johnmary | January 9, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

lets hope the families of the dead and wounded sue Palin for her every last dime

Posted by: newagent99 | January 9, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't Palin been arrested yet? Are we waiting for her to target more innocent politicians and children?

Posted by: SanchosR | January 9, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Sweet little Piggy Palin is not responsible. Those cross hairs are not to be confused with gun sights. And, I'm the next Prince of Wales.

Posted by: sameolddoc | January 9, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Sweet little Piggy Palin is not responsible. Those cross hairs are not to be confused with gun sights. And, I'm the next Prince of Wales.

Posted by: sameolddoc | January 9, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Democrat. I don't believe in abortion. However, because I am a Democrat I accept that when I vote, I am voting for something that I do not agree with. I take full responsibility for that.
When are those Republicans going to realize that a certain faction of their party are racist, violent, and they have guns. When you vote Republican you are voicing your support for these people. You are supporting racist and violent politics.
Take responsibility for your decisions.

Posted by: habuy2k | January 9, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"Don't Retreat -- Instead RELOAD!"

"RELOAD!"
That's not a surveyor's term--that's a term strictly associated with guns.

I come from a long line of military veterans; every generation in my family from the present and dating back to the civil war has served our country. In fact, my grandmother traced her roots to the Mayflower. I'm as American as you get. I also have a lot of police officers in my family line. Retreat and Reload are military terms.

When handling guns, they reload for one purpose--to shoot their weapon.

They shoot their weapon for one purpose--to kill.

RELOAD--that's an order for one purpose: shoot to kill.

Posted by: jandcgall1 | January 9, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Democrat. I don't believe in abortion. However, because I am a Democrat I accept that when I vote, I am voting for something that I do not agree with. I take full responsibility for that.
When are those Republicans going to realize that a certain faction of their party are racist, violent, and they have guns. When you vote Republican you are voicing your support for these people. You are supporting racist and violent politics.
Take responsibility for your decisions.

Posted by: habuy2k | January 9, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Palin has freedom of speech like the rest of us. I quit putting stock in her message when she flip-flopped from "against" to "for" Bush's $700 billion bailout of Wall Street.
Sterling Greenwood/AspenFreePress

Posted by: AspenFreePress | January 9, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Let's see. Democrats or traditional Republicans place the icon in question over a map of Wasilla in the context of ridding the town of political opponents. Sarah, you be the judge. Are you in the crosshairs? Or a bull's eye? Or a surveyor's symbol?

Posted by: major_sl | January 9, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Actually, h20andoil, he was describe as a liberal or libertarian several years ago. More currently his friends and his college professor said there was an incredible change in him.

He's since been described as anti-governement with a fetish for the Constitution. Hmmmm

Posted by: bobbarnes | January 9, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I just saw a reprint of one of Sarah's Tweets which refered to the symbols as "bullseyes."

Posted by: tinyjab40 | January 9, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

http://www.businessinsider.com/woman-who-says-she-went-to-school-with-alleged-shooter-says-he-met-giffords-in-2007-2011-1

He's described as politically to the left. In a different article he was described as hating George W. Bush. This is not someone motivated by anything Sarah Palin says and those professing it are casting rash judgments without any supporting evidence other than their own disdain for Palin.

Posted by: h20andoil | January 9, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Just more proof that Republicans are incapable of telling the truth!

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | January 9, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Mansour, YOU AND PALIN ARE ACCOMPLICES TO A MURDERER. YOU ESPOUSE HATRED, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS RECKLESSNESS.

Posted by: fbutler1 | January 9, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh, the hypocrisy.


** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose a-s-s to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

Posted by: Bevhome | January 9, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Let someone put her or her spouse on a hit list as a target. Then let someone shoot them..or let it be her child that got kill then come back and tell me you feel the same. We claim that violent videos and music make children kill yet violent rhectoric doesn't incite violent actions by mentally ill folks. Okay.. now what happens if this 2nd person on interest happens to be a Tea Partier..that basically manipulated this young man.. hmmmmmmm The BIBLES clearly states that the LIFE AND DEATH is in the power of the tongue.. Now anyone that's especially a CHRISTIAN .. know this is wrong..! You think Jesus is proud of this??

Posted by: parrislane1 | January 9, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Let someone put her or her spouse on a hit list as a target. Then let someone shoot them..or let it be her child that got kill then come back and tell me you feel the same. We claim that violent videos and music make children kill yet violent rhectoric doesn't incite violent actions by mentally ill folks. Okay.. now what happens if this 2nd person on interest happens to be a Tea Partier..that basically manipulated this young man.. hmmmmmmm The BIBLES clearly states that the LIFE AND DEATH is in the power of the tongue.. Now anyone that's especially a CHRISTIAN .. know this is wrong..! You think Jesus is proud of this??

Posted by: parrislane1 | January 9, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Let someone put her or her spouse on a hit list as a target. Then let someone shoot them..or let it be her child that got kill then come back and tell me you feel the same. We claim that violent videos and music make children kill yet violent rhectoric doesn't incite violent actions by mentally ill folks. Okay.. now what happens if this 2nd person on interest happens to be a Tea Partier..that basically manipulated this young man.. hmmmmmmm The BIBLES clearly states that the LIFE AND DEATH is in the power of the tongue.. Now anyone that's especially a CHRISTIAN .. know this is wrong..! You think Jesus is proud of this??

Posted by: parrislane1 | January 9, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The rifle scope imagery is one thing, but it's only a part of it. But since it gets defended as a metaphor, I'd like to use a similar metaphor to critique Ms Palin's contributions to American political discourse:


I was raised around guns, and was taught as a very young girl to assume that every gun was loaded. I was especially taught never to point a weapon at anything I didn't fully intend to shoot.

America is a country full of unstable people with firearms. How is it not predictable that the political use of metaphors for gun violence would be taken literally by some of them?

To use a similar metaphor, Sarah Palin, and people like her, have pointed a gun at those American people with whom they disagree politically. They've been telling their followers that their political opponents aren't just people with whom they have profound disagreements, but traitors, fascists, communists (as if you could be both at once), and even murderers. They portray their opponents as the enemies of everything they hold dear as Americans, and encourage their followers to deal with them as such. And now, after pointing this weapon at those Americans with whom they disagree politically, we're being told not to hold them responsible for the predictable outcome because they "didn't know it was loaded?"

My parents would never have accepted such an excuse for reckless irresponsibility. Why should any rational adult be expected to?

Posted by: nikkiru | January 9, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin, Now is going to back Track on what she herself said and Posted. Typical from a brainless person. I wander how she would react if someone put a bull eyes on her and said she was the anti Christ the Hitler of the new world and told people to re-load.
Yes Once again We see her Open her Mouth and speak without a clue or understanding what she is saying.

Posted by: scottsimik | January 9, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin, Now is going to back Track on what she herself said and Posted. Typical from a brainless person. I wander how she would react if someone put a bull eyes on her and said she was the anti Christ the Hitler of the new world and told people to re-load.
Yes Once again We see her Open her Mouth and speak without a clue or understanding what she is saying.

Posted by: scottsimik | January 9, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The rifle scope imagery is one thing, but it's only a part of it. But since it gets defended as a metaphor, I'd like to use a similar metaphor to critique it.


I was raised around guns, and was taught as a very young girl to assume that every gun were loaded. I was especially taught never to point a weapon at anything I didn't fully intend to shoot.

America is a country full of unstable people with firearms. How is it not predictable that the political use of metaphors for gun violence would be taken literally by some of them?

To use a similar metaphor, Sarah Palin, and people like her, have pointed a gun at those American people with whom they disagree politically. They've been telling their followers that their political opponents aren't just people with whom they have profound disagreements, but traitors, fascists, communists (as if you could be both at once), and even murderers. They portray their opponents as the enemies of everything they hold dear as Americans, and encourage their followers to deal with them as such. And now, after pointing this weapon at those Americans with whom they disagree politically, we're being told not to hold them responsible for the predictable outcome because they "didn't know it was loaded?"

My parents would never have accepted such an excuse for reckless irresponsibility. Why should any rational adult be expected to?

Posted by: nikkiru | January 9, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The rifle scope imagery is one thing, but it's only a part of it. But since it gets defended as a metaphor, I'd like to use a similar metaphor to critique it.


I was raised around guns, and was taught as a very young girl to assume that every gun were loaded. I was especially taught never to point a weapon at anything I didn't fully intend to shoot.

America is a country full of unstable people with firearms. How is it not predictable that the political use of metaphors for gun violence would be taken literally by some of them?

To use a similar metaphor, Sarah Palin, and people like her, have pointed a gun at those American people with whom they disagree politically. They've been telling their followers that their political opponents aren't just people with whom they have profound disagreements, but traitors, fascists, communists (as if you could be both at once), and even murderers. They portray their opponents as the enemies of everything they hold dear as Americans, and encourage their followers to deal with them as such. And now, after pointing this weapon at those Americans with whom they disagree politically, we're being told not to hold them responsible for the predictable outcome because they "didn't know it was loaded?"

My parents would never have accepted such an excuse for reckless irresponsibility. Why should any rational adult be expected to?

Posted by: nikkiru | January 9, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin, Now is going to back Track on what she herself said and Posted. Typical from a brainless person. I wander how she would react if someone put a bull eyes on her and said she was the anti Christ the Hitler of the new world and told people to re-load.
Yes Once again We see her Open her Mouth and speak without a clue or understanding what she is saying.

Posted by: scottsimik | January 9, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The definition of a bullseye is as follows:

An established reference point from which the position of an object can be referenced.

"Hitting the bullseye" is a colloquialism for success.

Although it can be argued that it is a term not always used to incite violence, after this shooting, ALL politicians and their supporters (and detractors) should refrain from using military terms.

Posted by: LMW6 | January 9, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The rifle scope imagery is one thing, but it's only a part of it. But since it gets defended as a metaphor, I'd like to use a similar metaphor to critique it.


I was raised around guns, and was taught as a very young girl to assume that every gun were loaded. I was especially taught never to point a weapon at anything I didn't fully intend to shoot.

America is a country full of unstable people with firearms. How is it not predictable that the political use of metaphors for gun violence would be taken literally by some of them?

To use a similar metaphor, Sarah Palin, and people like her, have pointed a gun at those American people with whom they disagree politically. They've been telling their followers that their political opponents aren't just people with whom they have profound disagreements, but traitors, fascists, communists (as if you could be both at once), and even murderers. They portray their opponents as the enemies of everything they hold dear as Americans, and encourage their followers to deal with them as such. And now, after pointing this weapon at those Americans with whom they disagree politically, we're being told not to hold them responsible for the predictable outcome because they "didn't know it was loaded?"

My parents would never have accepted such an excuse for reckless irresponsibility. Why should any rational adult be expected to?

Posted by: nikkiru | January 9, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

It is rhetoric, and used by right and left. And, it is the view seen through both rifle scopes and surveyors instruments.
Sarah Palin is a decent (reactionary) human being, not a brilliant one. I wouldn't want her near the big red button, but that is true of half of my friends.

Posted by: ea1958 | January 9, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I guess they see it differently than I do. I think the graphic is grossly irresponsible. I would never vote for someone who incites violence in their political rhetoric, especially on the Internet.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | January 9, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Democrats are politically exploiting the shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords by attacking Sarah Palin for setting up a list of "targeted" Democrat members of Congress last year. They conveniently forget that defeated Democrat Congressman Harry Mitchell did the same thing to JD Hayworth a few years ago right here in Arizona, running a campaign ad featuring JD Hayworth in the crosshairs of a rifle.
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2011/01/09/sarah-palin-democrats-forget-they-put-jd-hayworth-in-crosshairs/

Own the crosshairs, Leftists.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 9, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Feel the Leftist target map rage.
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=13647

Each one of those red targets represents a “Targeted Republican”.

/own it, Leftists

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 9, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

A "surveyors symbol"?!?!?!?!?!?!

Unfortunately for Mansour, the fact that the cross-hairs graphic was taken down by Palin's camp kinda demolishes her claim about the graph being "nothing irresponsible".

Yet another case of Palin's "who are you going to believe, me, or your lying eyes" mentality, easily-debunked as it is.

But for all those who worship the ground St. Sarah the Quittercuda walks on, would you agree with the "nothing irresponsible" blather if similar "surveyor symbols" were placed over Palin's face with a similar exhortation of "no retreat, but reload" as a caption?

Posted by: kingcranky | January 9, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Some situations people make worse by thinking they have to make statements and explainations rather than really think things out. Wether you side with the theory that Palin contributed to the atmosphere that directly or indirectly lead to the shooting or you believe she had no direct/indirect culpability her spokes person can not be serious. She must think the public is filled with nitwits. The map had cross hairs/scope on it. People have been saying that for months. Palin herself has alluded to that with her statements. Untill today no one from her camp made an effort to deny that. We are not that dumb.

Posted by: 6thsense79 | January 9, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

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