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Posted at 2:34 PM ET, 01/20/2011

Rick Santorum invokes Obama's race on abortion (video)

By Rachel Weiner

Updated, 10:44 a.m.

Rick Santorum expanded on his comment linking abortion to race in an interview with Fox News' Greta van Susteren Thursday night. Saying his words were "taken out of context," he also argued that comparing abortion to slavery is nothing new and concluded that he had nothing to apologize for.

Earlier this week, Santorum once again demonstrated his willingness to push the envelope. In an interview with the conservative CNSNews, he linked President Obama's race to his position on abortion.

"My point was that the 14th Amendment was passed to make sure that blacks in America were protected by the Constitution, were considered people, because tragically, horribly, for 100 years or more in this country, they weren't,'" Santorum said. "And so the point I was trying to make is that here we have another situation where the courts have said that a group of people, a group of human beings, are not people and that they should be."

He pointed out that Ronald Reagan and Jesse Jackson (who has since changed his opinion on abortion) have made similar arguments. Garance Franke-Ruta has pointed out that the comparison between abortion and slavery is fairly common in the contemporary anti-abortion movement.

"I'm not apologizing," Santorum concluded. "I don't think there's anything to apologize for!"

In his interview with CNSNews, Santorum drew attention for suggesting President Obama should oppose abortion because he is black.

"The question is, and this is what Barack Obama didn't want to answer -- is that human life a person under the Constitution and Barack Obama says no," Santorum said. "Well if that human life is not a person then I find it almost remarkable for a black man to say 'now we are going to decide who are people and who are not people.'"

Santorum expanded on his comment in a statement Thursday. "For decades certain human beings were wrongly treated as property and denied liberty in America because they were not considered persons under the constitution," he said. "Today other human beings, the unborn of all races, are also wrongly treated as property and denied the right to life for the same reason; because they are not considered persons under the constitution. I am disappointed that President Obama, who rightfully fights for civil rights, refuses to recognize the civil rights of the unborn in this country."

Well known for his anti-abortion advocacy and his provocative public comments, Santorum has been banking on Iowa social conservatives to give him a boost in the 2012 primary, but he has competition. Sarah Palin, also expected to appeal to social conservatives, has reportedly sent out aides to gauge her support among grassroots activists in Iowa. And outspoken Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) is meeting with high-level Republicans in Des Moines Friday.

Nationally, a Post poll out Thursday shows Santorum has his work cut out for him. Only one percent of Republican-leaning respondents would vote for Santorum in the primary.

By Rachel Weiner  | January 20, 2011; 2:34 PM ET
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I think we have this backward. We ought to guarantee the right to life to pre-born and born infants and children, but have an absolute Constitutional right, notwithstanding the actual text, to abort adults instead.
Actually, a lot of noted liberals have gone on record as agreeing with the substance and effect of that idea, in the course of the “healthcare” fight, including one former Democratic Senate leader, a Nobel Prize economist columnist for the New York Times and former Enron advisor, and an infamous tenured professor of ethics at Princeton and Times commentator on the subject, arguing, for example, that health care should be rationed by politicians and the beaurocrats they appoint so that children and anyone who has not been employed and paid Social Security taxes in five years should be denied care in favor of those they deem more valuable in their Nazi-like relativistic value system. Wait till amniocentesis allows us to predict which babies are more likely to become liberals or conservatives.
Santorum’s argument is misrepresented, more than misunderstood. He, along with some highly intelligent and well-informed black people, pointed out that abortion has what the law calls a prohibited “disproportionate adverse effect” on black people, particularly pre-born, and thus the number and percentage of post-born, black people. Remember, again, that this was an effect lauded by Margaret Sanger of what is now called Planned Parenthood, not to mention some Nazi and Ku Klux Klan types, with whom she was more or less openly allied on such issues.
We’re also seeing another leap from a right to abortion to the duty of all medical personnel, as a condition of practicing their professions, to participate in performing them regardless of either conscience or skill. I recently broke my wrist badly and had to travel over two counties because no doctor here who was either on duty or any good at it does hand and wrist surgery, in violation of some mystical constitutional right of mine, and a lot of children and adults here have to travel two or three counties just to find a doctor who can afford to or will accept patients on Medicare, Medicaid, the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, etc. Now the federal courts are being asked and sometimes venturing to invalidate laws not only against gay sex but against child pornography, incest, polygamy and forced “marriages” of underage girls, and sex with children.
NOTICE: This post contains hyperbole, irony, reduction ad absurdum, and other devices intended to make points that many people allegedly literate in English may be unable to recognize and comprehend.


Posted by: peterschamberlain | January 24, 2011 12:19 AM | Report abuse

It's appropriate that this conversation continues after the anniversary of Roe v. Wade, which is Jan 23, 1973. Since that day over 53 million human lives have been ended because of ideas which began in the minds of people who value all kinds of freedoms and selfish desires over the duty we have as a society and individually to exercise personal responsibility for our actions. We have degenerated so far as a culture that we are having to explain why abortion is wrong to other people who value materialism and personal freedom over responsibility self sacrifice. What will be our generation's legacy to the world?To those who see truly self evident truths such as the right to life, you can tell from these posts that the 'pro-choice' movement, as they have euphemistically dubbed themselves, has no moral justification for their position. Their argument is vapid and they usually cut and run after some personal attacks and Nazi-like appeals to financial or societal hardships which attach to a pregnancy which was unplanned and frightening to the mother, father or grandparents. There is no genuine argument to support this issue if ethics matter at all in America. It is the defining issue of our generation as human dignity was during the Civil War, Post Boshievik revolution eastern Europe, Axis Power fascism and now we have a much more subtle yet deadly manifestation of evil that discriminates against no member of the human race in it's hateful aim at the destruction of the human race. Where will you stand when the history channel, 40 years from now, makes a testimony of shame about the supporters of abortion and eugenics every day like they do Hitler so that we never forget how selfish and vile human beings are capable of being towards one another?

Posted by: johnwetzler | January 23, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

*It really ticks some people off when an argument is undisputable. Agree or not, it's a valid argument.
-1.2 million abortions annually in the U.S.,
-almost 60 million since roe vs wade.
*The argument is made that a female should have the rights over her body and thus have the choice to kill or not kill her unborn child.
**When do the rights of the Female babies come into play, not to mention the male babies
***As many as 10 million or more were exterminated under hitler rule (and many more under the rule of other leaders.) We term that as the Holocaust and rightfully so.
-What do we call 60 million Americans killed against their will, killed by "Their Masters"
-14% of those were paid for with tax dollars also.
-It's interesting that each person argueing in this forum is able to do so because their mother didn't exersize her "right" to an abortion.

Posted by: mattkathy498 | January 23, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

First, Obama is NOT descendant from slaves. His mother is white and his father is from Africa. Santorum makes an irrelevant statement. Why do we even give this person the time of day?

Posted by: carllopez | January 22, 2011 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Simply put, it's not as though birth control is not available for both men and women, nor is it difficult to obtain. It is USUALLY the lack of responsibility to USE BIRTH CONTROL that results in an unwanted pregnancy AND abortion never was intended and should never be used for birth control, but IT IS. Nobody wants a guilt trip. Yes, the baby is contained within the woman's body, but it is separate and usually carries a different blood type from the mother and IS a separate person whether people wish to acknowledge this FACT or not is beside the point. If viability is the deciding factor on whether or not this tiny person is worthy of living then do pro abortionists think that an elderly person who is bedridden who needs to be fed is not deserving of life either?? After all, this person could not sustain life on their own either!! Any abortion that is done after the fifth month when the baby can live on his/her own (with help)is flat out MURDER. Deal with it people!!!!! Don't hand me the argument that I SHOULD ADOPT ALL UNWANTED BABIES. I WISH I COULD. If it were in my power a better solution would be to make ALL BIRTH CONTROL FREE. And to educate ALL 9th grade school children on the horrors of teen pregnancies and abortion. Unborn babies are the most vulnerable, threatened PEOPLE on the planet and they NEED a voice. I am their voice. They are in a place where they should be in the safest place on the planet IN THEIR MOTHER'S CARE. They are not some "lump of cells" they are a fully formed human being by the 3rd month and their heart is beating by the 17 day. Do not deceive yourselves into thinking that we are breeding some kind of subhuman freaks until the magical day when they emerge pink and screaming from the womb. If a woman is raped, she should report it immediately, not only to get the pig that raped her off the street so that he wont get another victim, but so that the police can get a DNA sample and the hospital can administer a pill that will not allow a pregnancy to take place. In cases of incest or where a child is involved I have mixed feelings. I am not a heartless idiot about this, but millions are aborted for birth control only. Do not be fooled. It's not about choice....men and women have a choice, they just CHOOSE NOT TO USE IT, then they want the choice of abortion, which leaves the other person involved NO CHOICE, but death. This is barbaric in a world where we wring our hands on the issue of the death penalty over what to do with cold blooded killers who have no regard for life and yet some people have no problem with the murder of infants being stabbed to death in their necks with scissors!!!! Oh my God, where are you????

Posted by: ValH | January 22, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Santorum and others like him (who criticize abortion) might be more convincing if they adopted a minimum # of children, say 2 or 3, or, alternatively, they could contribute $100,000 per child, the estimated cost to raise them to age 18. The number would be enough to keep these children from idly waiting for adoption while supported by tax dollars and/or donors. Without either commitment, Santorum and his ilk lack credibility.

Posted by: abcs86 | January 22, 2011 1:45 AM | Report abuse

For those of you who don't want to get it- the point is allowing a woman to decide what she can or can't handle. Whatever her life is of isn't at the time of an unwanted or unplanned pregnancy, it is up to her whether she is ready or can handle it. Other than if there is a medical problem so a doctor is involved in the decision, it is and should be up to the female whose body is involved and no one else.

Posted by: alaskan2 | January 21, 2011 9:28 PM | Report abuse

I reside in Pennsylvania and still can't figure out how Rick Santorum got elected to the Senate. Once we got to know him as the self-righteous,devisive and personally ambitious politician he is, we voted him out of office.
Palin, Bachmann and Santorum combined don't have the intellectual firepower needed to serve effectively in the congress. To think that each considers themselves presidential material is laughable.

Posted by: jp1943 | January 21, 2011 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Every time this idiot opens his mouth I am embarassed to be from the Keystone State! Please know that this moron does NOT represent most Pennsylvanians' views. That might be why he doesn't represent us in the Senate anymore. Whew!

Posted by: hueylong | January 21, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Santorum must smell awful with all the "santorum" crusted into his clothes...

Posted by: chop1 | January 21, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, and to all of us who do believe in what Santorum was saying about a baby's right to live..Our opponents will likely accuse us along the way as this battle is fought of being Nazi's and bigots. Even though the great Irony of this accusation it is our government, and its agent planned parenthood, fully embrace the Nazi philosophy about the utility of ridding the world of unwanted human beings. And that my friends is an on point use of the word Irony.

Posted by: johnwetzler | January 21, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

This bigoted Nazi wonders why he is no longer in the Senate.

Posted by: AugustWest1 | January 21, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

And who gets to set those lines concerning issues which ought to not be joined in debate, such as making reference to racial discrimination when talking about discriminating against a baby in the womb? This, you will agree, is a position that most everyone on earth of every race was precariously in at one point? Is this issue just abstract and subject to situational ethical revisions like the 3/5ths compromise was? Maybe a baby is only 3/5ths of a person so they should get some kind of rights? How about that? Lets give the little babies the right to live for a little bit just to see if they are not quite the disposable liability they are being treated like? Who decides where the line is sir/mam? You? Me? The King? The President? The Legislature? God?

Posted by: johnwetzler | January 21, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Believing the lie that human beings are the judges of what is good and what is evil is not the sign of intelligence. To the contrary, it is the sign of disobedience to the one rule we had in Eden. But disobedience is not always bad is it? Our founding fathers were 'disobedient' when certain 'self evident truths' which they deemed to be paramount to even the King were being violated. Such as the right to 'Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness'. I don't know that the pursuit of happiness gets to take priority over Life. And I really don't see how pointing this out to a man who publicly identifies with a race of people who have been persecuted for no good reason for hundreds of years in this Country he is leading is anything but relevant to the issue at hand.

Posted by: johnwetzler | January 21, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

The problem with most conservatives is that they lack critical thinking skills. Everything is "black and white" (no pun intended) to them; unfortunately they discount all the shades of gray that lay in between.

Most issues are not simple, but complex. Attributing human characteristics to a breathing, fully formed, human being is one thing - attributing the same to a glob of cells with no recognizable human traits is another.

I don't think anyone in this country, even pro-choice people, would condone the things done by this so-called doctor who killed newborn babies. However, one has to be able to use critical thinking skills to ascertain the difference between late-term abortions and killing a newborn baby.

Most conservatives have no knowledge of how - or why - a late term abortion would be performed. They simply believe what someone else has told them, without ever bothering to discern the agenda of that person or even checking the facts to determine if they're correct.

In other words, conservatives do a horrible job of questioning authority. Hence, they are literally led around by the nose, because they lack the critical thinking skills to, well, think for themselves. It's almost as though it's just too hard for them to gather data, analyze it, and come to a logical conclusion. So they let someone else do their thinking for them. How dumb is that?

I do, however, think that Santorum crossed the line by saying that as a black man, President Obama should realize the alleged link between abortion and slavery.

Just another example of a lack of critical thinking skills - and class.

Posted by: kentuckywoman2 | January 21, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I realize that the more the enemy of conservatism, the enemy of fixed ethical Truth, the enemy of our submission to rules which are larger than our preferences, will always snipe at the messenger, attack his credibility, demean the message itself and try to persuade the jury that the message will never result in anything productive. So I am not talking to those people here when I say, "Who cares"? Who cares what the percentage of polls say about someone's ability to be elected when they are speaking the Truth? Vote for them anyway. Who cares what our opponents say? We are no better than abortionists or their supporters if we water down what is right in order to compromise and get only some of what God commands us to live by in a wishy washy panderer to the middle. What we should care about is that right now we have elected a president who thinks the Government is supposed to take on the role of parents and the Church, while winking at doctors profiting from the death of little human beings and the parents who choose to do this. Believers in this nation are just being led around like a ring in the nose of an ox by people who would intimidate us with appeals to polls or group-think arguments in order to deter believers from re-establishing the most important, self evident truths worth conserving. Things like like Truth itself, Justice and respect for Human life. Things like the Ten Commandments for example. Who cares what these people think who mock us? We need to care a heck of a lot more about what God says as well as what God cares about. Instead, we respond to polls or what a friend, or family member may say or think when he/she perceives you as one of those crazy 'right-wingers' who simply think that children are not one of many options. Kids are not one among many choices concerning how we will leave our legacy to the world that comes after us. Children are the only hope and legacy for the world. We cant leave our faith to our Ipads or Facebook pages to be considered by robots. If we don't vote for someone who speaks unequivocally about this issue, like Santorum does, I think the blame for the choices leading to the deaths of all these children are on the hands of believers more so than those who are physically or financially involved. We are doing nothing to really change the status quo because we are being frightened away by our own judgments from people who submit to God's judgments. I mean, why should we blame people who don't even believe in God who are unashamedly selfish for doing exactly what only they want? It is the Church who refuses to vote, tithe and speak up about what is right amongst all this noise in our culture. We are the ones who are going to have a lot of explaining to do someday when our lives reveal that we didn't care more about the things that God cared about, such as the Ten Commandments enshrined in our Supreme Court, than we do the opinions of other people. Especially the part about killing the innocent.

Posted by: johnwetzler | January 21, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

If you Republican "representatives" are going to rant about liberty and then deny a woman her right to choose, you should be dismissed immediately for total incompetence.

If you Republicans are going to rail against government health care and then not withdraw from the government health care you are enjoying and go out and buy private insurance, you should be dismissed for fraud.

If you are going to claim you are concerned about the deficit and then lose billions in potential tax revenue by awarding yet more tax loopholes and tax cuts to the super-rich, you should be committed to a mental health rehabilitation center (and PAY FOR IT ON YOUR OWN DIME, NOT OURS).

Look up "when Abortion was Illegal: Untold Stories" for information about what it was like when abortion was an illegal act.

For the sake of women and for the sake of our country, vote in 2012. Also expose the president of Fox "News" and also watch "BoogieMan: The Lee Atwater Story" to find out what Fox "News" is and what the Republicans are running on.

I am so sick of idiots like Santorum re-emerging from underneath the rock they crawled of. Run these John Birch Society nutjobs out on a rail.

If Santorum were the one who could get pregnant, there'd be as many clinics as there are dentists.

I'm glad Mr. "man-on-dog" ended up putting his foot in his mouth again. It didn't take long.

Thank goodness.

Posted by: jKO2010 | January 21, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

If you Republican "representatives" are going to rant about liberty and then deny a woman her right to choose, you should be dismissed immediately for total incompetence.

If you Republicans are going to rail against government health care and then not withdraw from the government health care you are enjoying and go out and buy private insurance, you should be dismissed for fraud.

If you are going to claim you are concerned about the deficit and then lose billions in potential tax revenue by awarding yet more tax loopholes and tax cuts to the super-rich, you should be committed to a mental health rehabilitation center (and PAY FOR IT ON YOUR OWN DIME, NOT OURS).

Look up "when Abortion was Illegal: Untold Stories" for information about what it was like when abortion was an illegal act.

For the sake of women and for the sake of our country, vote in 2012. Also expose the president of Fox "News" and also watch "BoogieMan: The Lee Atwater Story" to find out what Fox "News" is and what the Republicans are running on.

I am so sick of idiots like Santorum re-emerging from underneath the rock they crawled of. Run these John Birch Society nutjobs out on a rail.

If Santorum were the one who could get pregnant, there'd be as many clinics as there are dentists.

I'm glad Mr. "man-on-dog" ended up putting his foot in his mouth again. It didn't take long.

Thank goodness.

Posted by: jKO2010 | January 21, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Can any of you pro choice people see the irony here? By your own standards and definitions, obama's mother, who was poor, had a troubled marriage, and would have had the added complications of raising a mixed race child, should of had a abortion [ perhaps she might, had it been legal]. Yet if she had followed your beleifs, he would not be here for you to follow.

Posted by: Rightthinkingkindofguy
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Irony? You don't even understand the word.

There's no evidence that Obama's parents' marriage was "troubled" when he was born, and since she later married and had another "bi-racial" child she obviously had no problems with either marrying or having children outside her "race."

Just keep projecting your own far right-wing miscegenation fantasies. I am sure if you have a daughter and she came home with a black boyfriend, you'd immediately disown her.

Posted by: DCSucks | January 21, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Sanctum Sanctorum Sanctorectum Santorum probably has some skeletons in his closet. And must be Sanctioned from appearing in public and sent to a mental Sanitarium.

Posted by: kishorgala | January 21, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Would someone please tell this has-been he's a has-been? He's just too far right out of the mainstream to take seriously.

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | January 21, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I realize that there are many people, who despite all evidence to the contrary, believe that human beings are not accountable to each other and most importantly to the one God who made everything according to his image. And through much wrestling over the scriptures I am at peace with the fact that there is unmitigated evil in this world which this God allows to occur for reasons that I hope will all make sense someday to us all. I believe that is the case and that is the hope I for one live with. But looking back over history, we find that the last vestiges of any democracy or attempt at republican forms of government going back thousands of years have always-ALWAYS- been dissolved when the moral conscience of the country places personal freedoms over the collective good of the nation. We find that the penultimate indicator of the demise of Nations is the wholesale acceptance of unchecked boundaries concerning sexuality and the last stage is the breakup of the nuclear family. The leading indicators of the break up of families have to do with disrespect for the Elderly, Children, infirm and the poor. America is in the Triage stage of the emergency room here folks. When careers and self interest are more important than leaving a legacy of faith to the next generations, we can rest assured that the next generations of those who are born will be dominated by the message that kids are an inconvenience, pawns for financial gain, leaving only a remnant of those whose parents cared more about their legacy than they did their own self aggrandizement. Mark Santorum has nothing to apologize for. In fact, he is exactly right. And if you agree, you know who is to blame? Believers are. The world naturally only cares about itself. But it is believers in America who rationalize this sort of selfishness through Utilitarian reasoning. The minuscule portions of society who are raped, the health of the mother, or the black market argumentation are used in various debates. The logic used to justify abortion is simple. Its not about balancing anything. Its about ethics. Its about duties. The duties of believers, parents, potential parents and doctors. Its about selfishness vs. selflessness. People will come up with brilliant ways of justifying their own determinations of Good and Evil. We are not talking about cost benefit analysis here and there is no dilemma. We are talking about murder. We are talking about fixed ethical duties to ourselves, our families, our nation and the legacy Americans leave with this world. Will it all burn like Rome did under Nero as he blamed the religious right, while he fashioned himself and his government as the savior of the people? We shall see. Abortion is the ultimate civil rights issue. It affects every race of persons on the planet and abortions are the symptom of the societal acceptance of corporate selfishness. The answer is what Christ taught us about the only things really worthy of honor: 1) Our Creator; 2) People.

Posted by: johnwetzler | January 21, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Santorum and Palin would make a good ticket for the GOP. They could make the first ever Co-Presidency. He could handle foreign affairs and she would be in charge of domestic affairs. Rick could insult all of our partners around the world and Sarah could insult the American workers on a daily basis.

Posted by: Randy9 | January 21, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Rick, we already know you're white.

Posted by: jckdoors | January 21, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

People forget Pre-Roe as gov in 1970 Reagan signed a liberal abortion bill. Gov Rockefeller did as well.

Posted by: MerrillFrank | January 21, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

As a republican and also an anti-abortionist I'm sure Santorum has no chance to ever be nominated ,much less elected BUT I will point out that hidden in the depths of the local leftist Tribune paper yesterday was an article that turned my stomach. They are indicting (finally) an abortion doctor who KILLED, YES KILLED, 8 or 9 babies in the late term by severing their spines with a scissor. This animal whose oath was to save lives murdered these infants.

Regardless of Sntorum's other qualifications, he is definitely right on abortion.

If this story reflected on a conservative it would have been front page news.

Posted by: rmilitello | January 21, 2011 8:51 AM

Or perhaps a sign of things to come as Republicans push their anti-abortion policies. You see it as a reason to ban all abortions. I see it as a need to provide safe and properly monitored abortions....

Posted by: ModerateVoter | January 21, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

As a republican and also an anti-abortionist I'm sure Santorum has no chance to ever be nominated ,much less elected BUT I will point out that hidden in the depths of the local leftist Tribune paper yesterday was an article that turned my stomach. They are indicting (finally) an abortion doctor who KILLED, YES KILLED, 8 or 9 babies in the late term by severing their spines with a scissor. This animal whose oath was to save lives murdered these infants.

Regardless of Sntorum's other qualifications, he is definitely right on abortion.

If this story reflected on a conservative it would have been front page news.

Posted by: rmilitello | January 21, 2011 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Rick Santorum has about as much of a chance to become President as Palin..... ZER0! NEVER!

Posted by: cashmere1 | January 21, 2011 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I love it when Santorum gets in the national limelight. He's bombastic, ignorant, borderline racist, and too stupid to shut up. The prototypical Republican politician for the 21st Century.

Posted by: ElectricBill | January 21, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Well, if this comment doesn't send Mr Santorum backing, I don't know what else will... Do the people of Iowa really want this guys representing their thoughts and ideals???

Posted by: WhitneyDavid | January 21, 2011 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Santorum for President?????? NEVER! He has even LESS of a chance to become our next President as Palin! ZERO!

Posted by: cashmere1 | January 21, 2011 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Forrest Gump is at it again.

Posted by: DallasCat | January 21, 2011 7:55 AM | Report abuse

You know, when a tireless advocate of Civil Rights like Rick Santorum speaks, I think Barack Obama should listen.


Posted by: commspkmn | January 21, 2011 7:52 AM | Report abuse

When your head is stuck so far up your butt, as Santorum's is, you tend to see things in dark tones.

Posted by: aahpat | January 21, 2011 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Ricky was a lousy Senator and he would also make a lousy President! He just doesn't have any common sense.

Posted by: piemcj | January 21, 2011 6:38 AM | Report abuse

Ricky was a lousy Senator and he would also make a lousy President! He just doesn't have any common sense.

Posted by: piemcj | January 21, 2011 6:37 AM | Report abuse

These wild fanatics also compare abortion with the Nazi holocaust. Reason has no role to play in fanatic dogma.

Posted by: twm1 | January 21, 2011 5:19 AM | Report abuse

Who the heck "believes in" abortion? It is termination of a pregnancy. It can be done responsibly or irresponsibly. It may be medically advisable or medically inadvisable. It can happen spontaneously. Then you look to the Church for guidance and enter a hall of mirrors in which a uterus filled with a gestating object is embued with all sorts of mystical goings on that one dare not interfere with. On the one hand an idle uterus is a waste of space that must be filled up. On the other hand, ancillary equipment and ideas must be shoved aside during fertilization in order that the holy spirit may enter. It is all very confusing and it creates pointless discussions concerning metaphysical questions. Those admitted to the Church have one set of answers. Those not another.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | January 21, 2011 1:45 AM | Report abuse

The figures speak for themselves. In NYC, 60% of the pregnancies of black women are terminated by abortion. The effect is the same as the large rate of infant mortality that was common to the human race until modern times.

Posted by: RobbyS | January 21, 2011 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Well, um, God loves irony, and none moreso than putting a delicious twist on hypocrisy. Conservatives (and particularly Southern Conservatives) don't really give a rat's a-- about whether Black people are considered human beings, or the sanctity of humanity. If they did, they would tear down all the statues to Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, all the Confederate flags, and treat Confederate history like the Germans do the Nazi era. Oh, but oh, when the subject of the Confederacy comes up, individual states rights (a women's individual right, anyone?) takes center stage over the evil of slavery (the evil of abortion, anyone?). When you repeatedly emphasize and accentuate the "horrors of Yankee, federal government encroachment on state's rights" and just give "pooh pooh" references to slavery, as if it were just some minor, incidental side affect, what kind of message is that? Southerners didn't come around by themselves to give up slavery -- they fought tooth and nail to resist abolition. It's hard to see the light of God through the thick haze of hypocrisy.

Posted by: xandersun | January 21, 2011 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Rick Santorum would be wise to spend more of his time concerned with helping children already born in this world (including Haiti's millions of earthquake victims -- God was NOT a nationalist) than to be worried about how unclean prostitutes and vagrants and the lower classes might be.

Posted by: sthomas1957 | January 21, 2011 12:41 AM | Report abuse

As he explained, there is an historical context to what he was saying...here's now pro-abortion Jesse Jackson speaking on his opposition to abortion in the 1970's - note his reference to slavery:

''If one accepts the position that life is private, and therefore you have the right to do with it as you please, one must also accept the conclusion of that logic. That was the premise of slavery. You could not protest the existence or treatment of slaves on the plantation because that was private and therefore outside your right to be concerned.''

Rev. Jackson also said this:

" Sociologists argue for - population control on the basis of a shortage of housing, food, space, etc. I raise two issues at this point: (1) It is strange that they choose to start talking about population control at the same time that Black people in America and people of color around the world are demanding their rightful place as human citizens and their rightful share of the material wealth in the world. (2) People of color are for the most part powerless with regard to decisions made about population control. Given the history of people of color in the modern world we have no reason to assume that whites are going to look out for our best interests. "

And this:

"Another area that concerns me greatly, namely because I know how it has been used with regard to race, is the psycholinguistics involved in this whole issue of abortion. If something can be dehumanized through the rhetoric used to describe it, then the major battle has been won."

Those of you who look to jump on anything that a conservative says as based upon their bigotry or ignorance should take a few minutes to understand the historical nature of what Rick was stating....

Blacks were dehumanized. They were not considered a "whole person" - neither are the babies that are being aborted in late term pregnancy...

Posted by: LMW6 | January 21, 2011 12:26 AM | Report abuse

When these folks also support no capital punishment, or not permitting the state
to act as God, we can take them seriously. Until then, it's about personal conscience and not vulnerability to propaganda and manipulation.

Posted by: patr2 | January 21, 2011 12:12 AM | Report abuse

hey people,dont rule this guy out too fast!take a look at what just happened.the same people that screwed us and this country(by us i mean the non-super rich)were voted right back into office.there are people out there that are still resentful of the fact that a non-white is in the white house,and they will do anything to put and end to this fact,and that means voting for a dodo head like this guy,so beware,and make sure that you vote in the next pres.election!

Posted by: billydee123 | January 21, 2011 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Anort:

Ms Sanger did live a bohemian life style and did believe in eugenics but she was not a "progressive" as the term is used today, she was a socialist and wouldn't have cared for a liberal or progressive. However, it wasn't just blacks that she didn't think should procreate. She didn't think poor whites, immigrants, or people with "mental deficiencies" should be allowed to have children. Only wealthy whites would have been allowed to have children. Her views on immigration would do a Tea Party member proud.

Posted by: Repub | January 20, 2011 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gmcclure1 | January 20, 2011 11:29 PM | Report abuse

His statement wasn't even intelligible.

And he should get with the program. Look around -- abortion is not our big problem.

Posted by: SarahBB | January 20, 2011 11:25 PM | Report abuse

He does not deserve serious consideration for higher office. He's disgusting and always has been. He's right out there with Palin and Bachmann -- the extremes!!

Posted by: sharronkm | January 20, 2011 11:19 PM | Report abuse

He does not deserve serious consideration for higher office. He's disgusting and always has been. He's right out there with Palin and Bachmann -- the extremes!!

Posted by: sharronkm | January 20, 2011 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Can any of you pro choice people see the irony here? By your own standards and definitions, obama's mother, who was poor, had a troubled marriage, and would have had the added complications of raising a mixed race child, should of had a abortion [ perhaps she might, had it been legal]. Yet if she had followed your beleifs, he would not be here for you to follow.

Posted by: Rightthinkingkindofguy | January 20, 2011 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Of course abortion is a civil rights issue. The reason it takes so long to make people understand this, is because the victims don't live to tell about their ordeal. Photos of the massacre are not allowed either. Why not?

Posted by: HaveItYourWay | January 20, 2011 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Of course abortion is a civil rights issue. The reason it takes so long to make people understand this, is because the victims don't live to tell about their ordeal. Photos of the massacre are not allowed either. It seems that we are a nation of cowards.

Posted by: HaveItYourWay | January 20, 2011 10:59 PM | Report abuse

"The question is, and this is what Santorum didn't want to answer -- is an idiot allowed to run for office? Santorum says yes. Then he says no. Then he picks his nose and asks for a juice box."

Posted by: Bridge3263 | January 20, 2011 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Santorum, does it hurt when your knuckles drag on the ground? He's a freaking neanderthal. And this clown thinks he has a shot at the presidency? BWWAAHHHHH!!!!

Posted by: JilliB | January 20, 2011 10:45 PM | Report abuse

"Contrary to what some posters on here think, abortion WAS a race issue!! It was pushed, as was family planning, as a way to get rid of blacks - especially babies of un-wed black mothers. The early progressives got behind abortion and made it a women's issue when, to the progressives, it was a way to get rid of blacks. They felt that too many blacks were being born, especially to un-wed mothers. It is ironic that blacks think the progressives are for them. Actually, progressives have worked for almost 100 years to keep blacks subservient to them by paying them to do nothing. You can google the history of abortion. You can also google Frances Piven for further information on what progressives have done to you.

Posted by: annnort"

Yeah; and in Lincoln's day, the Republicans were opposed to slavery.

Times change.

Posted by: thrh | January 20, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

In debating circles, I believe the Santorum argument of making abortion a constitutional issue is called a 'red herring.'
Add, race and slavery to the analogy and you're starting to get a plateful of herring.
The US constitution does not answer, or even address, the question of when does life begin. That has been left to the politicians, courts and medical authorities to decide.
Santorum knows this. But, he's a politician and he knows his business...whip up the crowds with rousing speech.
Too bad the US constitution doesn't address when truth and speech become wholly separate matters. Politicians are left to decide that for themselves, as well.
But, not all hot air is truth.

Posted by: jmf3210 | January 20, 2011 10:10 PM | Report abuse

In debating circles, I believe the Santorum argument of making abortion a constitutional issue is called a 'red herring.'
Add, race and slavery to the analogy and you're starting to get a plateful of herring.
The US constitution does not answer, or even address, the question of when does life begin. That has been left to the politicians, courts and medical authorities to decide.
Santorum knows this. But, he's a politician and he knows his business...whip up the crowds with rousing speech.
Too bad the US constitution doesn't address when truth and speech become wholly separate matters. Politicians are left to decide that for themselves, as well.
But, not all hot air is truth.

Posted by: jmf3210 | January 20, 2011 10:10 PM | Report abuse

santorum has a hangup with abortion -- you think he was born with a vagina?

Posted by: FranknErnest | January 20, 2011 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Most of you lefties on here are using some stiff language. Did your master not tell you last week to calm your talk? Did you not listen?

Posted by: annnort | January 20, 2011 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Santorum! ... get a real job will Ya!
Before Palin gets it.

Posted by: knjincvc | January 20, 2011 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alarico | January 20, 2011 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Contrary to what some posters on here think, abortion WAS a race issue!! It was pushed, as was family planning, as a way to get rid of blacks - especially babies of un-wed black mothers. The early progressives got behind abortion and made it a women's issue when, to the progressives, it was a way to get rid of blacks. They felt that too many blacks were being born, especially to un-wed mothers. It is ironic that blacks think the progressives are for them. Actually, progressives have worked for almost 100 years to keep blacks subservient to them by paying them to do nothing. You can google the history of abortion. You can also google Frances Piven for further information on what progressives have done to you.

Posted by: annnort | January 20, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I can remember the first time I saw Rick Santorum speaking on TV, my initial impression was that something was wrong with this guy.

Boy, was I right.

Posted by: RickyGibson | January 20, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

FYI to various posters below: you really should read the Roe v. Wade decision - or a reputable summary of it written for non-legally-trained people. Under the law, the point at which an unborn being, with the potential to become a human, is deemed to be a person with his or her own rights is determined - as it should be - by medical science. When a fetus reaches the point at which it would be a viable independently living being if it were born at that instant, the scale tips in its favor.

The analogy between an early-stage embryo or fetus, and a non-white US resident living before the 13th & 14th Amendments, is nonsensical, and intended only to inflame and distract. The embryo is not yet biologically a person, being non-viable. It *cannot* be a citizen, because it is not a human. That is scientific truth. The fetus will achieve personhood when it is physically able. The former slave, however, was always a person. No one, not even the most ardent slave-owners, argued that non-white Americans were not humans. They were, wrongly, not given the status of citizens, and they were tallied differently, for purely political reasons. The slave *was* not a citizen, not for reasons of science; he could (and should, of course) have become one merely by political decree.

As a society, we can correct political wrongs. We ended slavery, and granted citizenship to non-white Americans. Similarly, we granted full citizenship, which had been denied, to female Americans. But we cannot - at least with the state of medical science today - enable a 10-week embryo or 20-week fetus to be an independently living citizen.

It goes without saying that it was wrong to categorize, for whatever reason, black slaves as "three-fifths of a person". Thankfully, that was something we could fix. Conversely, from his words and actions it increasingly appears that Rick Santorum has only three-fifths of a properly societally aware and functioning brain. That will be much harder to fix.

Posted by: nan_lynn | January 20, 2011 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Beacon2, you are so correct. The early progressives pushed for planned parenthood and abortion to get rid of blacks - especially those babies with unwed mothers. However, those posters on here will not believe you or even understand you if they read your post. They think the conservatives just do not approve of abortion. They do not realize it was a ploy to get rid of blacks. So sad.

Posted by: annnort | January 20, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I look at President Obama and I see our nation's president and the leader of the free world. I take extra pride that our nation has evolved to the point that yes, an African American is not automatically unelectable to that high office. It's great that such barriers have been broken.

But where I look at President Obama and see, first and foremost, our president, Rick Santorum looks at him and sees "a black man." What's more, he assumes that's how the rest of us see President Obama too, with his accomplishments and position only secondary. That's why he thought his remark would make so much sense to everybody.

It's funny what you learn about would-be presidential candidates in the harsh light of the national spotlight. Funny in the sense of disturbing and peculiar, I mean. Not funny meaning amusing.

Posted by: fairfaxvoter1 | January 20, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh dear God! Rick Santorum, (Mr Puckered-Up), and the two Wing Nut sisters Sarah Palin, and Michele Bachmann running in 2012 would give my Aunt Alice a much better chance in a run for the Whitehouse.

The present day, (and somewhat retarded), Republican Party is going to eat itself alive, which is what they deserve.

The fact that they are so desperate for votes that they will try to give in to any and all forms that crawl out of the shallow end of the gene pool is disgusting. Tea Bagger's indeed.

Make sure you have a big bowl of popcorn and a glass of your favorite beverage on the coffee table. You'll not want to miss a thing when this race actually starts to heat up.

I'm just saying...

Posted by: donbsea1 | January 20, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh dear God! Rick Santorum, (Mr Puckered-Up), and the two Wing Nut sisters Sarah Palin, and Michele Bachmann running in 2012 would give my Aunt Alice a much better chance in a run for the Whitehouse.

The present day, (and somewhat retarded), Republican Party is going to eat itself alive, which is what they deserve.

The fact that they are so desperate for votes that they will try to give in to any and all forms that crawl out of the shallow end of the gene pool is disgusting. Tea Bagger's indeed.

Make sure you have a big bowl of popcorn and a glass of your favorite beverage on the coffee table. You'll not want to miss a thing when this race actually starts to heat up.

I'm just saying...

Posted by: donbsea1 | January 20, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

NewsBusters: Media Question Whether Santorum's Comments In CNSNews.com Interview Are Racist
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2011/01/20/media-question-whether-santorums-comments-cnsnewscom-interview-are-racis
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NewsBusters| MRC's Bozell: Media Attack on Santorum Illustrates Campaign to Delegitimize Conservative Thought
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-bozell/2011/01/20/mrcs-bozell-media-attack-santorum-illustrates-campaign-delegitimize-co

Posted by: StewartIII | January 20, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Just ignorant.

Posted by: CharacterCounts | January 20, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Who are the 1% that supposedly support him? That number must be exaggerated.

Posted by: bpai_99 | January 20, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse

@post_reader_in_wv

You are 100% correct and I could not possibly make the point more eloquently than you have, so, I will just say "thank you" and ask folks to read your post for a deeper understanding of this complex issue.

Posted by: jksesq1 | January 20, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Look, folks, persons who believe that abortion is the moral equivalent of slavery are thoroughly dedicated to the correctness of their position and won't be dissuaded. They see themselves as the moral heirs of anti-slavery Abolitionists. And they take pride in that position. It is what it is.

I don't agree with this equivalence between slavery abolition and total abortion abolition, although, like all of you, I am utterly persuaded of the moral depravity of slavery. Frank Schaeffer (in his book _Crazy for God_) referred to the abortion controversy and said something like this: most people know in their gut that an embryo is not a person and that a near-term fetus most certainly is. Schaeffer's statement, which (apparently) would allow early-term abortions but not late-term ones, seems sensible to me. To be sure, this whole issue is morally disturbing--and should be, but I heartily object to Santorum's arrogant assumption that his understanding about a nearly intractable question should be enshrined into law over the objections of persons just as enlightened as he. If he wants to ride that tiger into the political arena, let him do so. He'll likely be devoured.

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | January 20, 2011 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I always thought Santorum was pretty out-there, but his latest pronouncement takes the cake.

The United States needs reasoned, intelligent discourse on issues on which reasonable people disagree. We don't need nonsense like this.

Posted by: ajsmithva | January 20, 2011 8:06 PM | Report abuse

no, not an envelope santorum is pushing, but the usual old full barf bag! pheh!

Posted by: bagelbrookefarm | January 20, 2011 8:06 PM | Report abuse

These issues have been intertwined a hundred years ago when the socially repressive, wealthy white Anglos promoting race and sexual hygiene (eugenics) walked arm and arm with the socially progressive feminists promoting birth control.

Posted by: Beacon2 | January 20, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Santorum again reveals a room temperature IQ and the heart of the small minded bigot that he apparently is.

No wonder that Dan Savage has aptly named for him a byproduct of human interaction that so perfectly fits Santorum's standing at the cesspool level of human integrity ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Love#Santorum

Posted by: fendertweed | January 20, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

If nothing else, Santorum has made it clear for those not already aware of it, that he isn't human.

Where do the Republicans dredge up these slimeballs?

Posted by: thrh | January 20, 2011 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Santorum got aborted by the voters in his last reelection bid in 2006, by almost 20 percentage points.

Posted by: pjkiger1 | January 20, 2011 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Republicans = The ever ABSENT father wanting desperately to sow his seed everywhere he can but never going back to visit.


Posted by: lindalovejones | January 20, 2011 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Mr Santorum should spend his energy to find ways to eliminate child abuse, lessen the rate of poverty here at home, an end to the wars. Perhaps then the desire to find abortions as the best option would be lessened.
The issues facing this country are far greater than his crusade.

Posted by: onthejourney | January 20, 2011 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Mr Santorum should spend his energy to find ways to eliminate child abuse, lessen the rate of poverty here at home, an end to the wars. Perhaps then the desire to find abortions as the best option would be lessened.
The issues facing this country are far greater than his crusade.

Posted by: onthejourney | January 20, 2011 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Mr Santorum should spend his energy to find ways to eliminate child abuse, lessen the rate of poverty here at home, an end to the wars. Perhaps then the desire to find abortions as the best option would be lessened.
The issues facing this country are far greater than his crusade.

Posted by: onthejourney | January 20, 2011 7:41 PM | Report abuse

kimkimminni1,
Ronald Reagan has the political power to stop abortion, but he didn't.
He gave lip service to it. I can remember 26 years ago t the time of Reagan's 2nd inauguration. We had had a blizzard in DC and the temperature were in the single digits. They had to move the parade from Pennsylvania Ave indoors to the Capital Center, otherwise the paraders would have had frostbite and mouths frozen to brass mouthpieces.
A couple days later, as the pro-fetal life forces gathered in Lafayette Square, in the freezing cold, Reagan spoke from the warmth of the White House:
I STAND WITH YOU IN YOUR OPPOSITION TO ABORTION.

Posted by: edlharris | January 20, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I looked in the dictionary and could not find the difference between Santorum and Sanitorium. This racist is not a good catholic.

Posted by: truth1 | January 20, 2011 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I looked in the dictionary and could not find the difference between Santorum and Sanitorium. This racist is not a good catholic.

Posted by: truth1 | January 20, 2011 7:34 PM | Report abuse

So, I suppose it is more "blood libel" to call this rabid, white-supremacist another bottom feeding teabagger racist as well.

Posted by: areyousaying | January 20, 2011 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Put Santorum in a sanitorium

Posted by: johng1 | January 20, 2011 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Another freeloader, sponge, career politician!!

Posted by: kimkimminni1 | January 20, 2011 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Always believed that Sanctum Santorum was crazy as a jay-bird.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | January 20, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Although I don't believe in abortion myself I have a hard time understanding Santorum. When the republican party had full control of the government the first six years of the Bush administration they basically did nothing to stop abortion. They changed the procedures on how abortion was performed but basically left it legal. This was disgusting considering how the republican party used the subject to win voters. This is Santorum's only subject. He has used the same line on abortion since he rode it into politics. I remember him wanting to make our weather forecast to be only on a pay channel. He and Palin have a lot in common, neither has any natural leadership abilities. They both have a common lust and greed for the right of leadership. Unfortunately for us, without wisdom.

Posted by: kimkimminni1 | January 20, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow, what a trio of nutcases, Santorum, Palin and Bachmann. Enough said about that one - does Santorum honestly believe that voters in this Country would find him remotely electable in a national election? Same for Palin and Bachmann. Santorum was crushed in his bid for reelection in PA - but again, he is an absolute loon, so I guess delusional thinking is part of his personality.

Posted by: fwillyhess | January 20, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, there are a variety of views about abortion and when life starts.
It is amazing how heated some people get -- especially, those in attack mode.
It makes me think that most of those commenting either don't have children or have never seen a sonogram or experienced the thrill of "finally" conceiving a child.
I agree that there are times that are not so happy and abortion should always be an option then - i.e. rape, incest, poverty, illness, age-related (very young or old), etc. Instead, it is an emotional issue for thinking, compassionate people.
It's not an easy issue to categorize as right or wrong or settle conclusively.

Posted by: pjcafe | January 20, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, there are a variety of views about abortion and when life starts.
It is amazing how heated some people get -- especially, those in attack mode.
It makes me think that most of those commenting either don't have children or have never seen a sonogram or experienced the thrill of "finally" conceiving a child.
I agree that there are times that are not so happy and abortion should always be an option then - i.e. rape, incest, poverty, illness, age-related (very young or old), etc.
It's not an easy issue to categorize as right or wrong or settle conclusively.

Posted by: pjcafe | January 20, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

OH REALLY!

Posted by: whocares666 | January 20, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Sooooooo the post can write about this NON STORY but not a peep about that wonderful millionaire late term abortion doctor in Philly. Nothing to see here, move along.....

Posted by: j751 | January 20, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Abortion is NOT a racial issue, it is a Women's Rights issue! If men were the ones to become pregnant, abortion would be a Sacrament! There should be NO legislation regarding abortion. It is an issue to be addressed by the individuals involved, the woman, the man and their/her Physician. It is NO ONE else's business to interfere in a couples'/woman's personal right to self determination! Men have blithely impregnated BILLIONS of women then skipped out when it came time to foot the bill and raise the child. Women deserve the right to make these life altering decisions without interference from "Holier than Thou" political Hacks with axes to grind. Until the Society and/or the Government is ready, willing and able to care for these "unborn" children, they should sit down and SHUT UP!

Posted by: billnbillieskid | January 20, 2011 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I think this is a unique way of approaching the abortion question with Obama.
Whether someone agrees with Santorum or not, I would think that anyone sensitive to the slavery issue, especially those old enough to not be too far removed the slavery experience, would give it some consideration.

Obviously, this has been discussed before (but new to me). It's legitimate to consider, and not hypocritical or racist at all.
If anything, it gives credibility to some high profile blacks and even opportunists (such as Sharpton) who want to reiterate and use historical slavery and abuses to their advantage.

Younger generations of blacks, particularly those who are affluent and successful in their own right, mostly look at race card playing as detrimental and divisive. However, the abortion issue would be relevant for any blacks who see the analogy.

Posted by: pjcafe | January 20, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

@Jsuf,
The point, is that they can't fend for themselves right out of the womb. It's not a full grown autonomous person in there, it's time to stop pretending it is.

Posted by: RandomAnon | January 20, 2011 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Rick Santorum is evil incarnate and should be rejected out-of-hand. It's nonsense like his that has caused so many problems in this country, and I for one am tired of it.

Posted by: Caliguy55 | January 20, 2011 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Rick Santorum is evil incarnate and should be rejected out-of-hand. It's nonsense like his that has caused so many problems in this country, and I for one am tired of it.

Posted by: Caliguy55 | January 20, 2011 6:03 PM | Report abuse

js_edit:

Good evening!

I assume that that was a shot a religion, in which case you'll have no argument from me. It's killed more people than cancer.

Still, at least those nomads from long ago had an excuse in that they lived in a world before science and reason. What excuse do WE have for clinging to these ridiculous ideas that do us all so much damage?

Posted by: andrew23boyle | January 20, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

"Today other human beings, the unborn of all races, are also wrongly treated as property and denied the right to life for the same reason; because they are not considered persons under the constitution."

Um, I think until the fetus is born, residing in the womb of a woman, makes that fetus her property.

Posted by: BootmanDC | January 20, 2011 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Is there any issue into which we cannot inject this idiotic notion that the top quarter inch of a person's flesh has some sort of bearing on their deeper qualities as a human being? Santorum should be ashamed of himself.

ALL the race-baiters should be ashamed.

Posted by: andrew23boyle | January 20, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

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We seem compelled to inject folk tales made up thousands of years ago by illiterate nomads into every issue, if you want to talk about really idiotic notions.

Posted by: js_edit | January 20, 2011 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Is there any issue into which we cannot inject this idiotic notion that the top quarter inch of a person's flesh has some sort of bearing on their deeper qualities as a human being? Santorum should be ashamed of himself.

ALL the race-baiters should be ashamed.

Posted by: andrew23boyle | January 20, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

@RandomAnon: Parents are granted control of their children until they clearly neglect them, but killing them is not an option ever. So yes this comes down to the point of whether a fetus is a person or not.

Posted by: Jsuf | January 20, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow, we're talking about something said by someone who is predicted to get 1% of the Iowa vote. Waste of time.

Posted by: kevnet | January 20, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame we have to go back to this issue time and time again. Pretty soon Santorum and all those who share his beliefs, as such, will want to condemn the person who gets off by touching themself b/c it too denies a life.

Posted by: ewjazzed | January 20, 2011 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Mr Santorum, as a devout catholic and unconditional opponent of abortion, would you baptize the product of a miscarriage at any stage?
This was explicitly VERBOTEN by the church in the sixties!

Posted by: Jacqmotte3675 | January 20, 2011 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this right about Republicans. They do not want banks regulated. They fear the regulation of insurance companies. Yet, they want strict regulation on a person's private life.

Posted by: EarlC | January 20, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Which trumps which, a woman's right to choose or an unborn's right to life?

Where is it written that the unborn have a right to life?

But, for the sake of argument, assuming the unborn have a right to life, doesn't that make miscarriages basically involuntary manslaughter?

Posted by: JoeMck | January 20, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

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Or straight-out manslaughter, or perhaps negligent homicide, if a pregnant woman drinks or smokes or engages in other risky behaviors. That's the logical, legal conclusion of the anti-choicers argument.

Posted by: js_edit | January 20, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Santorum is just politicizing the abortion issue way beyond reality. There will be a day when people realize that politics is more than moral choices that involve one's own religious beliefs. Personally, I agree with Bill Clinton that "abortion should be legal but rare." Back-alley abortions killed many women. Basically, what Santorum is suggesting is that abortion revert to the family secret, whether the family is conservative or liberal. Santorum needs to realiza also that his view is his view and should not be pushed onto others. I thought Republicans were all about letting people make their own choices without government interference. At least this is what they say about the money one earns.

Santorum almost redefines convoluted logic.

Posted by: EarlC | January 20, 2011 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Santorum has BAGGAGE! He used $150,000 in Pennsylvania taxpayer money to finance Christian school for his children in Washington DC. That just killed him with blue collar conservatives who had been a critical part of his base.

Posted by: tboyer33 | January 20, 2011 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Run, Rick, Run! Can't wait to see the first Santorum-Palin debate!

Posted by: boston9 | January 20, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

If we start giving civil rights to male sperm, an unrestrained penis soon will be above the law.

Posted by: TomCamfield | January 20, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

R.S. wants his religion to become our government; watch what you wish for , that's what the Muslims have. Personal decisions by the woman about her body cannot be breached by arrogant people like R.S. Whether or not Jesus will judge against women over Abortions is his judgement, not that of R.S. Humanity counts a born infant as a person while a fetus can become a person. Confusion is spread by R.S. and others over this,intending to gain power over people.

Posted by: naahbob | January 20, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, we Pennsylvanians are now saddled with Santorium II, aka Pat "Looney" Tooney.

Abortion will always be necessary, as long as mothers get life threatening illness, or babies die in the womb.

Anti-abortionists are so fond of parading mothers who "chose life" and survived to give birth to healthy children. The mothers who "chose life" and died because of a real medical problem are no longer here to speak up. The heart break of mothers who "chose life" when the babies were already dead, or so deformed that they could never survive outside the womb, is simply ignored.

Posted by: Denswei | January 20, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I think we all know who wrote the Constitution, and it was not God.

Posted by: brit89 | January 20, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse


SANTORUM

Pronunciation: san-TOR-um

Function: noun

Etymology: Savage Love - 05/29/03

The frothy mix of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex.


Posted by: SCOTTSCHMIDTT | January 20, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Sanctimonious Santorum says that 6 billion people is not enough , welcome to the rich , multi-national , REpublican "New World Order" . Where REpublican banks have bankrupted Americans and Homelessness and no healthcare are a way of American life ! WE won't have to go to school anymore because there are no jobs just mindless crowds of eaters and breeders , watching the programming idiot box , believing everything they say , never asking a question , robotishly having faith in gods that allow you to kill for oil and power with no accountability !

Posted by: beenliedto | January 20, 2011 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Santorum and those of like thinking can have this discussion, just as soon as they fix the schools, solve child abuse, free all the young that are in slavery in America, resolve the 50% dropout rate in inner city schools, provide health care to all Americans under the age of eighteen and find homes for the unwanted youth already born.

That was the Republican promise thirty years ago, what happened?

Posted by: itcounts | January 20, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I wish someone would come out and say 'I'm Pro Family, I want to end abortion, and in exchange, provide 9 months paid maternity leave, and a $300 monthly stipend per child until age 4 for those with HH income under 125k'. Then our population will explode, and the economy will boom as people buy more soap, shoes, houses, diapers, etc.

Then we'll have a serious debate on the issue of abortion and the american family. Kids have the right to grow up without fear of violence and economic oppression. Then our schools will produce millions of geniuses.

Posted by: mikey999 | January 20, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Michellekinpa writes:

"Are you saying that President Obama grew up in a very poor neighborhood in Chicago????"

Man you on the right are so laughable, dont you remember he was a community organizer in Chicago working with poor neighborhoods? Dont your remember him representing ACORN in a case, dont you remember from the right telling us how bad ACORN was??

Posted by: rharring | January 20, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

am i the only one that finds it remarkable that this so-called "Christian" appears to be judging pretty heavily on this one when it was Jesus, his professed savior and spiritual leader, who told his followers to leave the judging to god?

i mean, it just seems to me that perhaps anyone who believes in the bible as much as santorum pretends to should actually try to follow what the person he believes is god told him to do...

Posted by: lestro | January 20, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Santorum may be a clown but his question is one raised by his fellow bozos and it deserves an answer.
You asked if "... human life (is) a person under the Constitution and Barack Obama says no,"
Try this, son...

Neither the fetus nor the zygote is a human life, Richard. They only have the potential to be so. If they successfully gestate and survive birth, then they are a human lives.

Now a question for your brain, Ricky...
Can you find anywhere in the jurisprudence in the late 18th Century English legal tradition (the US Constitution being a legal document in that vein) that supports your bizarre contention that a zygote or a fetus has the standing of a living individual?

Posted by: tojby_2000 | January 20, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Very apropos, Mr Santorum.

We can argue about when a fetus becomes a human person, with a right to live. But it is certainly long before the moment she passes through the birth canal and enters the outside world. If Mr Obama believed this, he would do something about it. It would be quite profound if he permitted himself to believe that they are not humans and not entitled to any rights.

Posted by: JBaustian | January 20, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I agree that an unborn baby is not a citizen, but, according to the 14th a person living in the U.S. has all the rights and protections of the law, and the unborn are persons living within the U.S. borders, regardless if they are living in the U.S. 1 minute before birth or after.
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Cognitive dissonance is truly a wonder to behold.

Posted by: KJR1 | January 20, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Smart move, Ricky. You've got the moderate vote sewn up. They love bigots.

Posted by: johnharris1 | January 20, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse


It's so weird to me that Republicans don't want the government to tell them which light bulb to use, but they want the government to tell women what to do with their bodies.

If Republicans were kind and generous, I might fall for their pitch about right to life, but judging by their behavior Republicans would bring a life in the world, then starve the child to death.


Posted by: lindalovejones | January 20, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse


It's so weird to me that Republicans don't want the government to tell them which light bulb to use, but they want the government to tell women what to do with their bodies.

If Republicans were kind and generous, I might fall for their pitch about right to life, but judging by their behavior Republicans would bring a life in the world, then starve the child to death.


Posted by: lindalovejones | January 20, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Actually there is a way to mark who should be protected and who not. The BIBLE tells us so.

The soul enters the body and leaves the body on the first and last breath. The logic is that that when the fetus is still developing and making itself ready to become the soul's vehicle it is protoplasm. When the fetus enters the world and takes that first breath, the soul takes up residence. When the vehicle dies, gasping out that last breath, the soul departs.

Humanity is described as including the presence of our soul. No soul, no humanity.

Now, this is my belief. I promise to never tell a woman that she must or must not have an abortion. I also promise to not get in the way of her decision. If she cannot take care of herself if I can help her in any way that is in my limited power, I will --- no matter what her decision is.

For governments to try to tell people how to take care of the most private concerns a person can have is abominable. The irony is that the same people who want to make decisions for women on this issue, are the same people who say government is too big. It is too intrusive. Yet they want the government to intrude right into a woman's womb!!

Posted by: stevkerens | January 20, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Rik Santorum: Protecting the pre-molested!

Posted by: Garak | January 20, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Dr. King once noted that another form of racism could be NOT to take into account one's heritage... I mean, the man is black! The man did experience very poor standards of living in very bad Chicago neighborhoods. Rich whites are ALWAYS accused of not understanding what minorities go through, and various reasons for having abortions! Now you want to criticize Santorum for taking that position? Just another in a LONG LONG string of examples of Liberals having to have it both ways. You guys simply cannot sustain a debate without having an argument on both sides!**********************

Are you saying that President Obama grew up in a very poor neighborhood in Chicago???? Sorry - he was born in Hawaii and lived there much of his early life, except for when his stepfather was required to go back to Indonesia. He lived there 4 years, then was sent back to Hawaii to live with his grandparents.

Obama moved to Chicago in 1985, when he was 24.

Posted by: MichelleKinPA | January 20, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Whichever side you support, Obama is not responsible for the Roe v. Wade decision. Santorum knows that, but facts don't matter to him here. He brings up a false equivalency between choice and race. The article points out the reason he brought it up now--pure politics v. other right-wingers. It's not like there's a case pending before the Supreme Court regarding abortion rights that the laity know about.

Posted by: bitterblogger | January 20, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Which trumps which, a woman's right to choose or an unborn's right to life?

Where is it written that the unborn have a right to life?

But, for the sake of argument, assuming the unborn have a right to life, doesn't that make miscarriages basically involuntary manslaughter?

Posted by: JoeMck | January 20, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Santorum remains delusional if he thinks he has even a modicum of hope of becoming president. He remains still the ethically-challenged faux patriot he continues to foist on the public. In his public life, he has shown over and over that he long ago reached his level of incompetence.

Posted by: Diogenes | January 20, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Santorum remains delusional if he thinks he has even a modicum of hope of becoming president. He remains still the ethically-challenged faux patriot he continues to foist on the public. In his public life, he has shown over and over that he long ago reached his level of incompetence.

Posted by: Diogenes | January 20, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

@kishorgala: Who am I to decide? We are a society of laws and if those laws are broken, there are consequences. Children are not born bad and have not committed any crimes warranting death. As for the moron parent argument, I'd be okay with sterilization.

Posted by: Jsuf | January 20, 2011 3:18 PM
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If you say we are a society of law, then abortion is legal by law! Now I am confused why you are wrestling with the law of the society!

Posted by: kishorgala | January 20, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

@KJR1: Well if sex is a "right" as it pertains to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, than so is a child's right to life.

Posted by: Jsuf
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This is to say that a fetus is considered a person, albeit unregistered. Also, that children are accorded full adult rights.

They are in ward to their guardians and protected from a whole host of situations judged unsuitable for minors for a reason.

It's harder for you to make a case for mandatory sterilization vs why someone who isn't you and doesn't share your beliefs should be forced into labor, when they could just as easily do their own thing and you'd never know.

Posted by: RandomAnon | January 20, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

there's actually nothing terribly offensive or racist about the observation that blacks, having once been considered 3/5's of a person, might be likely candidates to be touchy about considering the unborn less than persons.

not offensive, or racist, just idiotic. once you get past the rhetorical cuteness, the proposition that blacks would feel differently about abortion than whites as a class is just too absurd to contemplate.

if you aren't for capital punishment for women who have abortions, their doctors, the nurses and staff at the clinics (nothing could be more premeditated than an abortion, and the victim is a defenseless innocent) then you are pro-choice, we're just talking about degree.

abortion will stop when women don't feel like it will be the end of their life to have a baby they didn't plan on. When pastors don't judge, parishioners don't shun, parent's don't disown, and peers don't ridicule, when it's possible to complete your education, get a job and still have the child. When we don't have a society that expects everyone to make 200K so that women who raise children instead are considered failures. When we create a society in which the choice of an abortion actually can be characterized as a capricious act with no societal, economic or other pressure applied to the mother, then I will be the first to call for outlawing it. Until then, let's stop pretending we're pro-life and do something about creating the environment that will reduce abortions. Reversing Roe won't do that.

Posted by: JoeT1 | January 20, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Tell me why, then, when the Republicans had control of BOTH the house and senate, did they not reverse Roe V. Wade?

The answer is that Abortion is the carrot by which the Republican Party holds in front of possible voters. If it were to be enacted upon, then the rest of their platform would be under the microscope, which in the past 8 years has been terrible.

Pretty much the GOP platform has been partly "do as I say, not as I do".

Santorum is the candidate that makes EVERYONE look better. Why PA ever voted for him is beyond me. (He was in office when we moved to PA from IL)

Posted by: MichelleKinPA | January 20, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Put it down to the smug, rich, white man syndrome..... these people are clueless what the average joe goes through. Santorum and his ilk fight like hell for fetuses but once they are born? Then it all becomes about personal responsibility. Abortion in almost all cases is not a decision that is taken lightly. It is a devastating decision for the woman. But smug white rich guys like Santorum live in a world where the poor are poor because they are lazy. The unemployed just don't want to work and economic nirvana can be achieved if we only just gave billionaires a little MORE money back from their taxes.

Posted by: philly2 | January 20, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Put it down to the smug, rich, white man syndrome..... these people are clueless what the average joe goes through. Santorum and his ilk fight like hell for fetuses but once they are born? Then it all becomes about personal responsibility. Abortion in almost all cases is not a decision that is taken lightly. It is a devastating decision for the woman. But smug white rich guys like Santorum live in a world where the poor are poor because they are lazy. The unemployed just don't want to work and economic nirvana can be achieved if we only just gave billionaires a little MORE money back from their taxes.

Posted by: philly2 | January 20, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Put it down to the smug, rich, white man syndrome..... these people are clueless what the average joe goes through. Santorum and his ilk fight like hell for fetuses but once they are born? Then it all becomes about personal responsibility. Abortion in almost all cases is not a decision that is taken lightly. It is a devastating decision for the woman. But smug white rich guys like Santorum live in a world where the poor are poor because they are lazy. The unemployed just don't want to work and economic nirvana can be achieved if we only just gave billionaires a little MORE money back from their taxes.

Posted by: philly2 | January 20, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

@KJR1: Well if sex is a "right" as it pertains to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, than so is a child's right to life.

Posted by: Jsuf | January 20, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

So, if the fetus turns out to be gay, are you going to fight this hard for all their rights as well?
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Any given Fetus is neither gay, nor strait, they are persons. Gays are made after birth.

Posted by: jacquelynwoods
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So.. how many have you converted back to straight?

Posted by: RandomAnon | January 20, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

@RandomAnon: You're ability to marginalize human life is quite amazing. Don't get me wrong, I do understand your argument. Overall the big problem that I have is that Americans have done away with personal responsibility. Abortion has become a form of contraception which I can not condone. Personal responsibility has been completely thrown away which speaks more to the direction of our society as a whole.

Posted by: Jsuf
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I just don't put it on a pedestal. I also don't count chickens before they hatch.

As for personal responsibility. It's amazing that you can't see the responsibility in someone who knows they wouldn't raise children responsibly.

Posted by: RandomAnon | January 20, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused. Does this mean that he thinks only black babies should be aborted (because the president he hates is black) or that Obama is only worth 3/5ths of a person?

Posted by: 8-Man2 | January 20, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

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Actually, it's not an either/or proposition. You're right on both counts. Senator Frothy Mixture is quite a piece of work.

Posted by: js_edit | January 20, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Gee thanks!!! I love this guy. Palin/Santoren, Santorem/Palin in 2012. I can't wait. And I'm from PA. My president is a shoe-in with these two. PLEASE

Posted by: phylb1231 | January 20, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Dr. King once noted that another form of racism could be NOT to take into account one's heritage... I mean, the man is black! The man did experience very poor standards of living in very bad Chicago neighborhoods. Rich whites are ALWAYS accused of not understanding what minorities go through, and various reasons for having abortions! Now you want to criticize Santorum for taking that position? Just another in a LONG LONG string of examples of Liberals having to have it both ways. You guys simply cannot sustain a debate without having an argument on both sides!

Posted by: aserwin | January 20, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

@RandomAnon: You're ability to marginalize human life is quite amazing. Don't get me wrong, I do understand your argument. Overall the big problem that I have is that Americans have done away with personal responsibility. Abortion has become a form of contraception which I can not condone. Personal responsibility has been completely thrown away which speaks more to the direction of our society as a whole.

Posted by: Jsuf | January 20, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

By this logic, any pregnant can and should be charged with child endangerment if she takes a drink during her pregnancy. Or Jogs, or does anything that could possibly be construed as harmful by anyone. I'd like to see Rick advocate that.

Posted by: jimnastus | January 20, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

So, if the fetus turns out to be gay, are you going to fight this hard for all their rights as well?
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Any given Fetus is neither gay, nor strait, they are persons. Gays are made after birth.

Posted by: jacquelynwoods | January 20, 2011 4:14 PM

No, gays are created in the womb, just like boys and girls and right-handers and left-handers and black people and white people.

Posted by: duhneese | January 20, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"So, if the fetus turns out to be gay, are you going to fight this hard for all their rights as well?
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Any given Fetus is neither gay, nor strait, they are persons. Gays are made after birth""

Not according to the best science! Sexuality is quite the mixed bag and much of it is determined prenatally.

Google Santorum and mixture.

Posted by: thebobbob | January 20, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Rick Santorum - "one of the finest minds .... of the 15th century" !

Posted by: raydsg | January 20, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused. Does this mean that he thinks only black babies should be aborted (because the president he hates is black) or that Obama is only worth 3/5ths of a person?

Posted by: 8-Man2 | January 20, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"JUSTICE GINSBURG: Yes, the ruling about that surprised me. [Harris v. McRae — in 1980 the court upheld the Hyde Amendment, which forbids the use of Medicaid for abortions.] Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion. Which some people felt would risk coercing women into having abortions when they didn’t really want them."

thanks to planned parenthood, blacks have never exceeded 12.5% of the population and never will...

Posted by: DwightCollins | January 20, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

So, if the fetus turns out to be gay, are you going to fight this hard for all their rights as well?
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Any given Fetus is neither gay, nor strait, they are persons. Gays are made after birth.

Posted by: jacquelynwoods | January 20, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives are pro-life...until the baby draws first breath. After that, they're on their own.

Conservatives are pro-life....if the baby is not black or hispanic.

Conservatives don't believe in welare...unless it goes to billionaires or oil companies.

Conservatives believe in the right to peacefully assemble....unless it a a group of employees trying to form a union.

Conservatives believe in freedom of religion...as long as it is evangelical christianity.

Posted by: insider9909 | January 20, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives are pro-life...until the baby draws first breath. After that, they're on their own.

Conservatives are pro-life....if the baby is not black or hispanic.

Conservatives don't believe in welare...unless it goes to billionaires or oil companies.

Conservatives believe in the right to peacefully assemble....unless it a a group of employees trying to form a union.

Conservatives believe in freedom of religion...as long as it is evangelical christianity.

Posted by: insider9909 | January 20, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

@RandomAnon: Why do their parents have the right to kill them? A parent can't kill their child once the child is born. I don't see the difference? A life is a life.

I love how liberals make the argument that it is a choice, but yet having sex apparently isn't a choice but is a right and a necessity
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The difference lies in whether you approach this argumant from emotional standpoint (pro-life) or from a practical, common sense one.
Vague generalities with apparent black-and-white solutions are the product of emotions. "A life is a life" doen't take into account the many, varied situations and circumstances the surround unwanted pregnancies. You're either reacting, or you're contemplating. Next time try reacting with reasoned thought. In other words, think before you speak.
Hear me, Sarah.
BTW, sex IS a right as it pertains to an idividual's life, liberty and pusuit of happiness.

Posted by: KJR1 | January 20, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Scumbag.

Posted by: daweeni | January 20, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Rick is right. Presently those that favor genocide of the unborn, basically make the argument that a person in the womb 1 minute before birth belongs to a class of "non-person" from the view of constitutional protected rights, but, 1 minute later after being born now belongs to a class of "person".

Abortionist argue that some how by moving through the vaginal canal make a baby belong to the class of "person".

That idea is complete insanity.

I agree that an unborn baby is not a citizen, but, according to the 14th a person living in the U.S. has all the rights and protections of the law, and the unborn are persons living within the U.S. borders, regardless if they are living in the U.S. 1 minute before birth or after.

Posted by: jacquelynwoods | January 20, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

So... what you are saying is that we need death certificates and estate proceedings for every miscarriage. We also need to track every act of vaginal intercourse and test for fertilisation. Not even the Catholic Church considers the unborn as eligible for any sacraments. Why don't you tell us where and when you were conceived?

Posted by: williamwertman | January 20, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Another GOP nut job Please run a Palin/Santorum ticket!

Posted by: funkey | January 20, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

So, if the fetus turns out to be gay, are you going to fight this hard for all their rights as well?

Posted by: reed6801 | January 20, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"Rick Santorum Invokes Obama's Race On Abortion"

I guess that's because Rick Santorum believes that every black man should spend every waking hour reassessing civil rights issues every moment of his or her life.


I guess that's because Rick Santorum finds it "out of his class level" for a black man to question an issue like abortion given a dark portion of our country's history that this black man, I guess, must bow down to and respect because Rick Santorum, the white man, deems it so - and only the white man should have the audaciousness to say who's human and who isn't.


And beyond this, it's the aggressive arrogance in Santorum's voice that makes these kind of statements even more unbearable.


This guy's truly a piece of work. Yet there are other pieces of work out there who found him worth their vote.


Stultifying.


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Posted by: DrainYou | January 20, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

@jacquelynwoods
>Abortionist argue that some how by moving through the vaginal canal make a baby belong to the class of "person".
Dear, silly Jacquelyn,
Not just "Abortionists" (I assume you are referring to Doctors?), but pretty much anyone with even a tiny little brain understands that until the fetus moves ". . . through the vaginal canal. . . " and is BORN, ie: Can survive on its own, outside the womb, it is not, in deed, a person.
It's pretty obvious. Persons don't live in someone else's body!

Oh, also, Santorum is a raving idiot who should SSOOOO run for president! LOL! Yes, with Palin! LOL! Yes!


Posted by: ronman1 | January 20, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

The good news is: having Santorum back in the headlines means that the phrase "frothy mixture" can't be too far behind.

Posted by: js_edit | January 20, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

This man is beyond stupid.

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | January 20, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

@RandomAnon: Why do their parents have the right to kill them? A parent can't kill their child once the child is born. I don't see the difference? A life is a life.

I love how liberals make the argument that it is a choice, but yet having sex apparently isn't a choice but is a right and a necessity
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The difference lies in whether you approach this argumant from emotional standpoint (pro-life) or from a practical, common sense one.
Vague generalities with apparent black-and-white solutions are the product of emotions. "A life is a life" doen't take into account the many, varied situations and circumstances the surround unwanted pregnancies. You're either reacting, or you're contemplating. Next time try reacting with reasoned thought. In other words, think before you speak.
Hear me, Sarah.
BTW, sex IS a right as it pertains to an idividual's life, liberty and pusuit of happiness.

Posted by: KJR1 | January 20, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

So Rick, does these mean rape victims are like slave masters ?

Posted by: BurfordHolly | January 20, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

@Jsuf
Take off the rose-tinted shades. People will always have sex, sex rarely happens logically, and out of all the times people have sex, so rarely do they do it for the sake of procreation. Children take more time and energy than most other endeavors in adult lives. It's pretty crazy that you'd force this on people and expect a positive result. If people were born walking, talking, and working we wouldn't even be discussing it. But the fact that they are defenseless should pretty much sum up that they don't have a guaranteed ticket out of the womb.

As for the hyperbolic question of overpopulation: No, because there's abortion and contraception.

Pro tip: If you succeeded in regulating against abortion, you'd simply be sentencing the unborn to a less quick and sterile demise. Prohibition simply doesn't work, and suggesting abstention just shot the last ounce of credence in your argument being based in reality.

Posted by: RandomAnon | January 20, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Please Lord, oh please Lord, give us a Palin/Santorum Republican ticket in 2012. It's the best guarantee of an Obama second term.
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The way the DEMs are handling things, you may get what you ask for, but, not the results you ask for.

Posted by: jacquelynwoods | January 20, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

This is even less coherent than Santorum's famous "man-on-dog" argument.

Posted by: js_edit | January 20, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Rick is right. Presently those that favor genocide of the unborn, basically make the argument that a person in the womb 1 minute before birth belongs to a class of "non-person" from the view of constitutional protected rights, but, 1 minute later after being born now belongs to a class of "person".

Abortionist argue that some how by moving through the vaginal canal make a baby belong to the class of "person".

That idea is complete insanity.

I agree that an unborn baby is not a citizen, but, according to the 14th a person living in the U.S. has all the rights and protections of the law, and the unborn are persons living within the U.S. borders, regardless if they are living in the U.S. 1 minute before birth or after.

Posted by: jacquelynwoods | January 20, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse


Santorum is another 'pubican POS.


Posted by: mortified469 | January 20, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

@kishorgala: Who am I to decide? We are a society of laws and if those laws are broken, there are consequences. Children are not born bad and have not committed any crimes warranting death. As for the moron parent argument, I'd be okay with sterilization.

Posted by: Jsuf | January 20, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh please, please, please let Obama run against either Palin,, Bachmann, or Santorum. The more rediculous the better! So slaves (who actually existed as separate, individual, sentient beings) are equivocal to fetuses (which have none of the above mentioned qualities it takes to cast a vote). Nice firm grip on reality, Ricky!

Posted by: KJR1 | January 20, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

@kishorgala: If they blow their chances and commit crimes warranting execution, than yes. My point is, at least they were given the chance to have a normal life. If they squander that opportunity, well that's their fault.

Posted by: Jsuf | January 20, 2011 2:31 PM
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The point you don't appear to be getting is "Who are you to.....?"

No one blows the chance on their own. The Creator gives a 7-8 pound lump of meat to the parents, who is totally dependent on the parents for many many years for when they feed, change, teach, educate him/her. That's a long long time to do things right. Or wrong.

If you do want to electrocute someone, it should be the parents who should have been aborted.

Posted by: kishorgala | January 20, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

@RandomAnon: So if the world is over populated, you would call for killing off those who are unproductive and drain our society? You prove my point about lack of personal responsibility. I don't care if contraception sometimes doesn't work, don't have sex. If people aren't prepared for the consequences then they shouldn't be putting themselves in that situation. It's not the child's fault that mommy and daddy are morons. They don't have the right to take away the baby's chances at not being a moron. As for the death penalty, those people don't deserve to live because 9 out of 10 times they already took a life. An innocent child is different and you know it. Stop trying to justify to yourself that abortion is okay unless maybe you need to??

Posted by: Jsuf | January 20, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

google santorum, it describes him perfectly

Posted by: calif-joe | January 20, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

@Jsuf:
The "child" can't survive outside of the womb. Why should the parents be forced to create another person in an overpopulated world? Why should they be forced to divert personal health and resources to raise someone to which they had no intention of doing so? If a life is a life, go vegan immediately. Also, never support the death penalty regardless of infraction, or pulling the plug on the infirm, no matter the cost.

News flash, contraception does occasionally fail. And don't play the adoption argument because there are plenty of children who have yet to find a home.

Posted by: RandomAnon | January 20, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Just to respond to an idiotic question:

No, I wouldn't mind if my mother had an abortion and I wasn't born.

Make any sense to you?

Didn't think so.


Posted by: nadinem | January 20, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

One more loony tune GOP wanna-be candidate. Back to the dustbin of history, Santorum, Palin will make room for you.

Posted by: fluxgirl | January 20, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

A gaggle of fools, idiots, clowns - all in one place. Palin, Bachman, Gingrich, and now Sanatorium. PLEASE. Looks like they will split the nutcase vote. Think so?

Posted by: sameolddoc | January 20, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

@RandomAnon: Why do their parents have the right to kill them? A parent can't kill their child once the child is born. I don't see the difference? A life is a life.

I love how liberals make the argument that it is a choice, but yet having sex apparently isn't a choice but is a right and a necessity. They also consider a pregnancy to be like an STD from a bad sexual experience. There are consequences to having sex. Keep your pants on if you don't like the possible outcomes. Don't play the rape and incest argument because those are crimes in the first place. Those weren't free will choices to get pregnant.

Posted by: Jsuf | January 20, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

The aborton/slavery connection (for lack of a better term) is why GW Bush mentioned Dred Scott when asked about any Supreme Court decisions he disagreed with. He was talking in code to the right-wingers.

Posted by: TomR3 | January 20, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

@kishorgala: If they blow their chances and commit crimes warranting execution, than yes. My point is, at least they were given the chance to have a normal life. If they squander that opportunity, well that's their fault.

Posted by: Jsuf | January 20, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Today I announce my endorsement of Rick Santorum for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012. Please run! Do it for the children, do it for any reason you want but PLEASE run because I really want to see Obama get re-elected and I can't imagine an easier path than running against this clod.

Posted by: TomR3 | January 20, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Comments like this from Santorum does not surprize me. This is the same man who tried to gain re-election by showing the media PHONEY documents about WMD's in Iraq.
Santorun is a liar and racist pig and does not deserve to be interviewed by anyone.

Posted by: sumo1 | January 20, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

PADutch-
when you succeed in outlawing abortion, I am just curious. How much jail time should the mom get if she tries to get an abortion? How much if she actually gets an abortion? Since it is murder, are we talking death penalty? That would be the perfect summation of your beliefs: protect the baby at all costs (since mom is just a womb), but happy to have the State kill adults.

Posted by: sagrupp | January 20, 2011 1:47 PM

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By your same logic, the state should do nothing to punish murderers, rapists, or anyone else. If the unborn baby is a human being, then he or she is an innocent victim. Those conspiring to perform the abortion are making decisions, and sane adults are culpable for their decisions.

The arguments don't allow much wriggle room. Either an unborn baby is a person or not. Either all people are afforded basic rights or they aren't. If one answers these two dilemmas in a certain way, then, yes, anyone who participates in an abortion deserves punishment. If mothers having abortions were not making rational choices of their own, i.e., if they were forced into abortions against their wills, then this would be a different matter, but when people make choices of their own, those choices have consequences. The logic on the anti-abortion side is pretty straightforward.

The logic on the pro-abortion side, for that matter, is, too. They either deny that unborn babies are human or that they have any other intrinsic value, thus making it acceptable to terminate them, or else they take the view that killing off innocent individuals for the perceived good of society is permissible. There's not really any other way to justify abortion-on-demand.

Posted by: blert | January 20, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

For the people posting here, aren't you happy that your mother didn't have you aborted? Doesn't every life deserve the same chance that you received?

Posted by: Jsuf | January 20, 2011 2:13 PM
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But then if some of them did not turn out right, you wouldn't mind gassing, hanging, electrocuting or injecting them, correct?

Posted by: kishorgala | January 20, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Please Lord, oh please Lord, give us a Palin/Santorum Republican ticket in 2012. It's the best guarantee of an Obama second term.

Posted by: sherpadoug37754 | January 20, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Please Lord, oh please Lord, give us a Palin/Santorum Republican ticket in 2012. It's the best guarantee of an Obama second term.

Posted by: sherpadoug37754 | January 20, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Please Lord, oh please Lord, give us a Palin/Santorum Republican ticket in 2012. It's the best guarantee of an Obama second term.

Posted by: sherpadoug37754 | January 20, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Please Lord, oh please Lord, give us a Palin/Santorum Republican ticket in 2012. It's the best guarantee of an Obama second term.

Posted by: sherpadoug37754 | January 20, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Please Lord, oh please Lord, give us a Palin/Santorum Republican ticket in 2012. It's the best guarantee of an Obama second term.

Posted by: sherpadoug37754 | January 20, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Please Lord, oh please Lord, give us a Palin/Santorum Republican ticket in 2012. It's the best guarantee of an Obama second term.

Posted by: sherpadoug37754 | January 20, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Please Lord, oh please Lord, give us a Palin/Santorum Republican ticket in 2012. It's the best guarantee of an Obama second term.

Posted by: sherpadoug37754 | January 20, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

For the people posting here, aren't you happy that your mother didn't have you aborted? Doesn't every life deserve the same chance that you received?

Posted by: Jsuf
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They already do have the same chance, it's just that their parents didn't make the choice you wanted.

Posted by: RandomAnon | January 20, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Please Lord, oh please Lord, give us a Palin/Santorum Republican ticket in 2012. It's the best guarantee of an Obama second term.

Posted by: sherpadoug37754 | January 20, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Please Lord, oh please Lord, give us a Palin/Santorum Republican ticket in 2012. It's the best guarantee of an Obama second term.

Posted by: sherpadoug37754 | January 20, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

For the people posting here, aren't you happy that your mother didn't have you aborted? Doesn't every life deserve the same chance that you received?

Posted by: Jsuf | January 20, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Santorum established himself long ago as a stalwart leader of the GOP's raving lunatic wing. Speak right up, Mr. Santorum. You clarify things for many who didn't realize how low Republicans can dive.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | January 20, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

but liberals use it as an argument for gay marriage all the time. It's okay in that context, but not in the context of abortion?

Hypocrites.

Posted by: PADutch

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Not quite true.

Many black Americans -- who I guess in your worldview are "liberal" -- object to the analogy that gays' struggle is similar to theirs, b/c you can't hide skin color.

Blacks tend to see their struggle in this country as singularly unique.

People should stop stereotyping, including you, and painting with a broad brush.

Posted by: mypitts2 | January 20, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Nothing shows the racism in this country like having a black man in the White House.

NEVER, and I go back to Truman and Ike's era, have I seen anything like the hate I see directed at our President. Sickening. I'll just double my donations to his efforts.

The GOP has totally descended into lunacy if they think the likes of Palin, Bachmann, Santorum, and others of their ilk are viable candidates. I voted GOP most of my life, but I cannot think of any GOP personality that could ever amount to being even a measly old patch on the ass of the pants that President Obama wears.

Posted by: 809212876 | January 20, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

This is getting sooooo confusing: Santorum compares the unborn to slaves, Palin compares media crticism to the persecution of Jews and Obama is simultaneously a nazi, communist and fascist. Is there a handbook somewhere that explains all of this? Alas, seems like only Glenn Beck can provide the answers.

Posted by: Natmeister | January 20, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I would just like to know if Rick Santorum would be as concerned about the babies after they are born....his Republican Party's only concern seems to be about babies before they are born. I would like to tell him that many (even most) people are not for abortion but believe what Jesus taught us (i.e. "Judge not lest you be judged, condemn not lest you be condemned".) I feel certain that he wants to judge even those woman who have several children at home to take care of but have been told that their pregnancy will be the end of their life or the children who are pregnant because of sexual abuse from their own father or uncle or those who have been raped. It is one thing to say that you would like fewer abortions (as, by the way our President Obama has said numerous times) but it is abominable to belong to the Republican Party which does not care at all if the child starves after it is born. They are only concerned with tax breaks for the wealthiest few and that, too, is an abomination.

Posted by: gilbertpb40 | January 20, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for pointing out President Obama is black. Does that make Santorum pasty?

Posted by: elbuzz1 | January 20, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

PADutch-
when you succeed in outlawing abortion, I am just curious. How much jail time should the mom get if she tries to get an abortion? How much if she actually gets an abortion? Since it is murder, are we talking death penalty? That would be the perfect summation of your beliefs: protect the baby at all costs (since mom is just a womb), but happy to have the State kill adults.

Posted by: sagrupp | January 20, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I was reminiscing and shuddered at the thought that not too long ago this guy was one of only 100 deciding the fate of the Country!

Posted by: kishorgala | January 20, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I was reminiscing and shuddered at the thought that not too long ago this guy was one of only 100 deciding the fate of the Country!

Posted by: kishorgala | January 20, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Believe me, there is a tree in La La Land....

....that grows Nuts.

Posted by: kishorgala | January 20, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

If only one percent of Republicans support Santorum why do you even bother to report what he says? Your article makes it seem like it matters what he says and he is some important guy.

Posted by: kelly123 | January 20, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Rick Sanctimonious is banking on Iowa social conservatives to give him a boost in the 2012 primary,...

Instead he will get a boot....Rather, he already got the boot!

Posted by: kishorgala | January 20, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that the Republicans constantly yell about the intrusion of government except for telling women they must bear a child. It isn't even limited to abortion - they've been successful in those conscience clauses that permit a health care provider to refuse to provide lawful procedures or fill lawful prescriptions.

However, Republican policies certainly aren't about supporting that child after it is born. Their concern for Life ends at birth. Then they depict people who may need help as parasites on society whether it's the need for health care or unemployment benefits - you name it and if you need it, you're a lazy parasite looking for handout of their money.

Posted by: FauxReal | January 20, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Over 52 million abortions in the USA since Roe vs. Wade. Census says there are 308 million Americans left. One person for every six Americans is missing. Most of these people would be paying taxes, buying goods and supporting Social Security. So if you're not happy with the economy or your retirement options, thank your friends who had an abortion.

Posted by: chauffeurkp
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You're making some pretty bold assumptions. You're assuming they would've all been born to people that were ready to train future responsible adults which is almost entirely ridiculous considering the outcome. At the very least you're assuming they'd all be scooped up from adoption centers. You're also assuming there would be jobs waiting for them, which is laughable.

But the worst, is that on top of it you add "thank your friends who had an abortion" Basically shifting the blame from people who irresponsibly prefer cheap goods to people responsible enough to know they shouldn't have children.

Then again, perhaps you know some magical secret to children raising themselves to be model citizens, in which case you should get to work right away affecting policy or otherwise making a fortune on beleaguered parents.

Posted by: RandomAnon | January 20, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Rick reflects his arrogance and ignorance once again. He is a white, right wing christian zealot, that has no place in the leadership of America. In fact, the voters of Pennsylvania handed him his walking papers just a few years ago.

Rick, like the present GOP Congress lives in the past. This is his final 15 seconds of fame. He will be soundly rejected by the primary voters.

Posted by: COWENS99 | January 20, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Very Sad. Where do these people come from? Did someone left the gate open again?

What an idiot - this guy is a total wacko

Posted by: B1979 | January 20, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

This one is done!

Next!

Posted by: kishorgala | January 20, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Over 52 million abortions in the USA since Roe vs. Wade. Census says there are 308 million Americans left. One person for every six Americans is missing. Most of these people would be paying taxes, buying goods and supporting Social Security. So if you're not happy with the economy or your retirement options, thank your friends who had an abortion.

Posted by: chauffeurkp | January 20, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Is being a Conservative Republican a genetic disorder limited to certain types? It is looking more and more like that!

Posted by: kishorgala | January 20, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

why do the republicans want bigger and more intrusive govt?

the govt getting into your medical records,the govt deciding who must have kids..soon they'll be saving the govt should decide who cant' have kids.

Posted by: newagent99 | January 20, 2011 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I thought Sanitarium's macaca mulatta moment will come much later, but he could not wait!

Posted by: kishorgala | January 20, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans have enough diehard ideologues to win a national election based on pandering to their bases. Obama won in 2008 because he appealed to people beyond the Democrat base. He lost ground in 2010 for the same reason. All these hardcore GOP types, like Santorum, may get approval from the base, but are unelectable. Independents are not going to vote in large numbers for candidates who push the fringes.

Posted by: rob15 | January 20, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans have enough diehard ideologues to win a national election based on pandering to their bases. Obama won in 2008 because he appealed to people beyond the Democrat base. He lost ground in 2010 for the same reason. All these hardcore GOP types, like Santorum, may get approval from the base, but are unelectable. Independents are not going to vote in large numbers for candidates who push the fringes.

Posted by: rob15 | January 20, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

This is more Republican bigotry and racism at work, woven from the same cloth as Tricky Richard Nixon and Rep. David Duke of Metarrie, LA, the Grand Wizard of the KKK. Today, we have Santorum, Palin, Rand Paul, the Tea Party operatives, etc. The Republican Party today is full of Facists, Skinheads, White Supremacists, and Nazi's. Racial tensions will lead to racial violence, which will destroy America. Tea Party Senator Rand Paul said that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 should be repealed. Rand Paul also was quoted in the NY Times that a private luncheonette did NOT have to serve a Black person. Are these the type of people that hold elected office ? If so, this country is in BIG trouble! My mother told me circa 1965, "Black people are God's children too, and we must all live together in peace." Jimmy Carter said that Republicans want Obama to fail because he is a Black man. Tricky Nixon said "abortion is appropriate in cases of interracial pregnancies."

Posted by: jerzeyjim21 | January 20, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Santorum! ... get a real job will Ya!

Posted by: knjincvc | January 20, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Ricky, dude, hardly anybody likes you --'kay? You are just a very strange man.

Posted by: Sandydayl | January 20, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for abortion.

I think its fantastic, that liberals exercise their option of eradicating their offspring.

It makes for a better, healthier America.

Posted by: Defund_NPR
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I find it amusing that you don't think conservatives have abortions. Also that you can say less liberals instantly means things are better, despite the immediate irony that you and your opinion are what's left over. You are so primed to be strummed like the fiddle you are.

Posted by: RandomAnon | January 20, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Ricky, dude, hardly anybody likes you --'kay? You are just a very strange man.

Posted by: Sandydayl | January 20, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for abortion.

I think its fantastic, that liberals exercise their option of eradicating their offspring.

It makes for a better, healthier America.

Posted by: Defund_NPR | January 20, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Rick, Obama is only half-black, so he only has to oppose abortion in the second trimester. But seriously, Santorum, Palin, and Bachmann? That's where the Republicans are headed?

Posted by: 4avocats | January 20, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

What is Obama's "race?"

The question is not flippant. We are entering into a time when many people of various backgrounds are marrying. Assigning a "race" to their children is a curious throw back.

Harold A. Maio

Posted by: khmaio | January 20, 2011 12:48 PM | Report abuse

If we are all very lucky, a pit bull will eat Santorum during man-on-dog sex.

Posted by: djmolter | January 20, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

This has been a right wing meme - they are tieing it to the Dred Scott decision which found that African-Americans weren't "persons" as intended by the Constitution - which is why Santorum is bringing Obama's race into it. Of course, this convoluted reasoning completely ignores the fact that the Constitution also looked to English Common Law legal tradition as the legal system of this country - and for 1000 years the jurisprudence has been that a fetus only becomes a "person" at birth. For those who want to argue an "Originalist" interpertation of the Constitution, the idea that a fetus is a "person" would have been outrageous to the Founders - but that doesn't stop hypocrites like Santorum.

Posted by: hohandy1 | January 20, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

So then Santorum feels he's in a better position to say that they ARE people? I'd wonder if his race has anything to do with that... If I were a racist.

Posted by: RandomAnon | January 20, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Why not just come out and start screaming the n word? This veiled racism is just so off putting...

Posted by: ozpunk | January 20, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Yes, let's set up a "big government" panel, and have every woman that becomes pregnant register, so the panel can follow her medical progress. Perhaps have government doctors examine her, just to be sure.

If a so-called "miscarriage" happens, the panel needs to interrogate everyone involved and have government doctors examine her (you can't trust her own doctor, he may be in cahoots with her.)

And since abortion is murder, we should try any woman and any accomplice and charge them with Murder One, and execute them.

Yes, let's rally round the flag, stop socialism, and work for smaller government and more individual freedom -- except of course for women.

God would want it that way.

Posted by: okiedeadhead | January 20, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Why not just come out and start screaming the n word? This veiled racism is just so off putting...

Posted by: ozpunk | January 20, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

TO: PADutch who wrote:
lindalovejones - The "right" to abortion may have been decided over 30 years ago, but that doesn't end the debate. My only question to you … is: Which trumps which, a woman's right to choose or an unborn's right to life? …”

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I don’t think rights can be awarded in a situation where the award of rights alone is not enough to sustain life. You can legislate and say that an unborn child has the right to life, but you can’t force a woman to carry a child, and even if you could the child by itself is not able to care for itself and has to have a guardian.


Posted by: lindalovejones | January 20, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Why not just come out and start screaming the n word? This veiled racism is just so off putting...

Posted by: ozpunk | January 20, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Why not just come out and start screaming the n word? This veiled racism is just so off putting...

Posted by: ozpunk | January 20, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Why not just come out and start screaming the n word? This veiled racism is just so off putting...

Posted by: ozpunk | January 20, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Flush this nasty glob of yecchhh down the commode, please.

Posted by: TOMHERE | January 20, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Exco, well put. I thought you were heading in a different direction, but you illustrated instead what logical, objective, critical thinking really is. Thanks.

Posted by: pasc1 | January 20, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

can anyone provide a link to the portion of the Constitution that defines a fetus as a person? I've got a copy of the document, but for some odd reason mine doesn't mention fetuses or the unborn. Santorum and all like him should have their own country, there's plenty of room in Antartica.

Posted by: red2million | January 20, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Santorum is playing the race card, as so many politicians do.

Posted by: marik7 | January 20, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Santorum, again, displays why he was voted out. Conservatives will say anything, no matter how stupid and racist, to get applause from their think-alike audience. Maybe his running-mate should be the Gov. of Alabama.

Posted by: jckdoors | January 20, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

The Court did not give a "right" to abortion, it asserted that medical decisions are private, and that citizens have a reasonable expectation of privacy UNLESS the state can show a compelling reason to abrogate that right (or any other for that matter) In the case of terminating a pregnancy during the first trimester the state can show no compelling interest in interfering with that right to make the decision on the part of the individual.

For all the talk of wanting "less intrusive smaller government," conservatives want the government to make your most important personal decisions for you. Pro-choice (NOT Pro abortion) means you think that those highly personal intimate decisions are not the governments to make, but your own. Anti-choice (not "pro-life" -- everyone is pro-life) want the government to make that decision for you. The great triumph in the anti-cohoice side is in clouding the issue by misuing language and creating false impressions. They are still against liberty and for a toltalitarian use of government power to enforce their specific ideological dogma.

Posted by: John1263 | January 20, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Santorum - noun. Defenition - the frothy mix of bodily fluid that is excreted during anal sex.

Posted by: King3 | January 20, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Why or why is WaPo giving this guy any kind of face time? He has shown himself to be so far out of the mainstream that barely 1% would even vote for him. Can't the WaPo find anyone relevant to do a story about instead of this hasbeen?

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | January 20, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The Court did not give a "right" to abortion, it asserted that medical decisions are private, and that citizens have a reasonable expectation of privacy UNLESS the state can show a compelling reason to abrogate that right (or any other for that matter) In the case of terminating a pregnancy during the first trimester the state can show no compelling interest in interfering with that right to make the decision on the part of the individual.

For all the talk of wanting "less intrusive smaller government," conservatives want the government to make your most important personal decisions for you. Pro-choice (NOT Pro abortion) means you think that those highly personal intimate decisions are not the governments to make, but your own. Anti-choice (not "pro-life" -- everyone is pro-life) want the government to make that decision for you. The great triumph in the anti-cohoice side is in clouding the issue by misuing language and creating false impressions. They are still against liberty and for a toltalitarian use of government power to enforce their specific ideological dogma.

Posted by: John1263 | January 20, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Santorum is a s stupid as Palin, he cannot read the writing on the wall that America is sick of bigots and ignorant rantings of the Tea Party. They are also fed up with the Move On types. America wants solutions to our economic problems and not hate mongering bigots who stoke the fires of ignorance.

Let him keep on ranting, it simply hurts the GOP. Have you noticed that the GOP leadership has dropped Palin like a hot potato? They know they crossed the line and are scrambeling to get back to their pre-Bush/Cheney values before 2012 and Santorum/Palin/Bachmann are not helping

Posted by: rcc_2000 | January 20, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

@mitt1968: Your comment speaks volumes about how you view the right to life. Quite sad actually. It also speaks to your lack of personal responsibility. Very sick.

Posted by: Jsuf | January 20, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The Court did not give a "right" to abortion, it asserted that medical decisions are private, and that citizens have a reasonable expectation of privacy UNLESS the state can show a compelling reason to abrogate that right (or any other for that matter) In the case of terminating a pregnancy during the first trimester the state can show no compelling interest in interfering with that right to make the decision on the part of the individual.

For all the talk of wanting "less intrusive smaller government," conservatives want the government to make your most important personal decisions for you. Pro-choice (NOT Pro abortion) means you think that those highly personal intimate decisions are not the governments to make, but your own. Anti-choice (not "pro-life" -- everyone is pro-life) want the government to make that decision for you. The great triumph in the anti-cohoice side is in clouding the issue by misuing language and creating false impressions. They are still against liberty and for a toltalitarian use of government power to enforce their specific ideological dogma.

Posted by: John1263 | January 20, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

This is a perfect example of why the news media needs to examine its own role in the increase of vitriol in our political discourse. This particular piece of "news" is here for one purpose and one purpose only: to foment an angry debate. If it has to mislead to do it, so be it.

Turning first to the issue of being misleading, the WAPO has put a link on the front page to this article that is headlined "Santorum links abortion to Obama's race". This headline implies that the article will state that Santorum said Obama supports abortion because he is black.

That is, of course, not what the article says at all. Rick Santorum firmly believes that life begins at conception. If one firmly believes this, then he or she must also believe that it is wrong to subject a fetus to one set of laws and the rest of us to another. If this is what he believes, then there is nothing shocking in what he said. He simply wondered aloud how a person who is part of group that was itself subjected to different laws than the rest of us can't see that it is unfair to do the same to a group that he believes is being subjected to the same unfair treatment.

While I may disagree with Rick Santorum's belief that life begins at conception, I can also understand that one who believes sincerely as he does that life begins at conception would believe that discrimination based on birth status (born/unborn) is the moral equivalent of discrimination based on race.

There are many legitimate reasons to disagree with Mr. Santorum and many inconsistencies in his commitment to the concept of equal protection under the law that deserve examination and criticism. This wasn't one of them. This was just the WAPO zeroing in a sentence that could be easily used to whip up controversy in the interest of controversy.

Posted by: exco | January 20, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that right wingers like Santorum (and even Gingrinch) can't go away and stay away? Santorum lost, for good reason. He was pretty useless and obviously, he's bored and trying to stir up trouble. He needs to stay quiet, live with his litter of home schooled children (that PA paid for their private education), and go sell crazy somewhere else.

Posted by: ariesgirl4 | January 20, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

santorum is a first rate rear end, and lost PA by 19% against an unknown who pretty much did not campaign.

He never stood a snobals chance in hail...but we can thank him for reminding everyone in America EXACTLY what conservatives say to each other behind closed doors.

Not racists? Well.....not in public!

The tea-oh-pee primary is going to be a race to the bottom, and look out for depths you all thought no one capable of plumbing.

*******************************************

Well said, Non - Teabagger!

Posted by: TheChampisheretoo | January 20, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that right wingers like Santorum (and even Gingrinch) can't go away and stay away? Santorum lost, for good reason. He was pretty useless and obviously, he's bored and trying to stir up trouble. He needs to stay quiet, live with his litter of home schooled children (that PA paid for their private education), and go sell crazy somewhere else.

Losers like him should stay lost.

Posted by: ariesgirl4 | January 20, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

santorum is a first rate rear end, and lost PA by 19% against an unknown who pretty much did not campaign.

He never stood a snobals chance in hail...but we can thank him for reminding everyone in America EXACTLY what conservatives say to each other behind closed doors.

Not racists? Well.....not in public!

The tea-oh-pee primary is going to be a race to the bottom, and look out for depths you all thought no one capable of plumbing.

Posted by: John1263 | January 20, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Waah! Waah! All those little pre-born children!

Meanwhile, Dr. Tiller gets assasinated and a wacko goes and shoots up a Tucson parking lot.


Forgive us for caring more about REAL HUMAN BEINGS than we do about your bizarre obsession. Dan Savage has you pegged perfectly.

Posted by: mitt1968 | January 20, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Typical Republican hypocrisy! To quote a famous Congressman from New England: this Administration's concern with human life begins at conception and end with birth."

Posted by: commonsense101 | January 20, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

teabaggers have already proved they will vote for ignorant nutbags, hypocrites and proven morons so ex-Sen Suckup will fit right in

Posted by: restephens11 | January 20, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that right wingers like Santorum (and even Gingrinch) can't go away and stay away? Santorum lost, for good reason. He was pretty useless and obviously, he's bored and trying to stir up trouble. He needs to stay quiet, live with his litter of home schooled children (that PA paid for their private education), and go sell crazy somewhere else.

Losers like him should stay lost.

Posted by: ariesgirl4 | January 20, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

If anything, this shows how little people know (or want to know) about the history of blacks and abortion in this country.

http://www.black-and-right.com/2011/01/20/jennifer-epstein-racebaiter-of-the-day/

Posted by: blackandright | January 20, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

PA threw him out as will the country. Time for him to just come out of the closet and get it over with.

Posted by: getjiggly2 | January 20, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

If he was inarticulately trying to say something negative about the three fifths compromise in 1787 he needs to come out and explain that. I for one would like for him to try and explain himself. I am hoping that is the case. Otherwise....wow.

Posted by: Shadow10 | January 20, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

lindalovejones - The "right" to abortion may have been decided over 30 years ago, but that doesn't end the debate. My only question to you (and other supporters of wholesale abortion) is:

Which trumps which, a woman's right to choose or an unborn's right to life?

Also, look at his record in the Senate. Santorum has done more for Welfare reform here in America and helping 3rd world countries in places like Africa than virtually any other elected official. Don't just recite liberal talking points, please back them up with some facts.

Maybe read this:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/opinion/29brooks.html?_r=1

Posted by: PADutch | January 20, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

It appears that there is no limit to this man's disgusting behavior. He is, however, a perfect example of Republican incivility, partisanship and moral bankrupcy. He fits well in the Republican Presidential contenders field.

Posted by: Lefty_ | January 20, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

This reminded me to sign up for Pro-Choice Lobby Day here in VA.

Posted by: MzFitz | January 20, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Is Rick Santorum going to focus on Obama's race during his bid for the presidency?

Posted by: maritza1 | January 20, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

It would seem that the Constitution is clear enough on the issue. Nowhere is "conception" mentioned, but "born" is explicitly stated in at least 2 places I can recall.
Santorum is not an idiot, he's just playing one on TV to impress his base... who really are idiots.
Thinking further, to the anti-choice advocates want to change birthright citizenship, because anything related to "birth" undermines their medieval arguments?

Posted by: OldUncleTom | January 20, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

To defend a comment like this is pure idiocy . This is well thought out and planned. This guy is a proven moron with credentials. Let's see who are the backers on this. It will tell a lot. Bring back George Wallace he didn't hide his racism with a false front like this guy. Is this intended for pro life Fundamentalist Christians.This next election will be a real test to see how much and what devoted Christians can hate.

Posted by: misewicz | January 20, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Santorum likes to believe he is one of the "original intent" Elect. He really should look at the centuries of English Common Law which would be relevant if he really did want to focus on what the Constitution's authors meant. By 1780, there were several centuries of English cases (binding precedent in the then colonies, remember) which held that the fetus was not a human- that aborting a fetus, whether intentionally or not, was not a crime, etc. By his own standards, there is no indication that the Framers in any way felt that the settled law of the land should be overturned in this issue.

Should Santorum be unwise enough to actually run for the Presidential nomination, he should expect to be called out on his flagrant disregard of "original intent."

Posted by: jhherring | January 20, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

To defend a comment like this is pure idiocy . This is well thought out and planned. This guy is a proven moron with credentials. Let's see who are the backers on this. It will tell a lot. Bring back George Wallace he didn't hide his racism with a false front like this guy. Is this intended for pro life Fundamentalist Christians.This next election will be a real test to see how much and what devoted Christians can hate.

Posted by: misewicz | January 20, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Why is it so shocking that Santorum would use race with regards to abortion? I don't see a direct correlation there, but liberals use it as an argument for gay marriage all the time. It's okay in that context, but not in the context of abortion?

Hypocrites.

Posted by: PADutch | January 20, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse


Right off the bat Santorum lets us know how stupid he is.

This issue was decided long ago, before President Obama was even old enough to vote let alone make any such decision.

Santorum is trying to legislate a woman's right to choose, and no matter how much he cuses at the President, women are still going to do whatever they want to do, and that's a good thing.

Ask how many babies Santorum would pass legislation to feed, what do you wanna bet the answer would be "none".

First Santorum would birth them, then he'd start calling them welfare babies.


Posted by: lindalovejones | January 20, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I find it remarkable that anyone would vote for sociopath Santorum after hearing this revolting remark.

Posted by: sufi66 | January 20, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Anything to get attention!!

Posted by: Angryman | January 20, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

This guy is too much of an ignorant nutbag even for most teabaggers. I'm sure he's being paid to stay in the race to make another candidate look reasonable.

Posted by: Observer691 | January 20, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

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