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Posted at 10:55 AM ET, 01/ 9/2011

Durbin, Alexander comment on Tucson shooting

By Emi Kolawole

Sens. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) were asked to comment on Saturday's shooting, which left Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) critically wounded and a 9-year-old girl and a federal judge dead. Both senators appeared Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union with Candy Crowley."

Some people, including Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik of Pima County, Ariz., have said the "vitriol" in today's political discourse contributed to the incident.

"We live in a world of violent images and violent words," said Majority Whip Durbin, citing the phrase "don't retreat, reload," a paraphrase of a statement used in a tweet by former Alaska governor Sarah Palin. But Durbin shied away from making a direct connection between Saturday's shooting and the rhetoric of any specific group. "I don't think you can ever make the direct connection," said Durbin.

Asked if Democrats were just as guilty Durbin said, "I don't want to point those fingers. ... We owe it to our own in both political parties to have at least the good sense ... to say, 'Wait a minute, that just goes too far,' whether it comes from the right or the left."

Alexander, when asked to respond, distanced the actions of alleged gunman Jared Loughner from the rhetoric of other politically active individuals and groups like the tea party. "I think in all of the talk about this, we have to be very careful about imparting the actions of a deranged individual" to other groups. Alexander cited Loughner's reportedly having read Karl Marx and reports that he had burned the American flag, saying that those were not the typical actions of tea party members.

"Ordinary political discourse should never, underline never, invite violence," emphasized Durbin. "At some point we need to ask the question: How did this man ... end up with this weapon," continued Durbin, referring indirectly to the fact that Loughner reportedly came to possess a gun through legal channels.

By Emi Kolawole  | January 9, 2011; 10:55 AM ET
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Comments

Corporations are greedy. Their job is to make money. That is their purpose. What did you think it was? If you are trying to compare those comments to ones that call some of our MOST PATRIOTIC Americans un-american then you have been drinking the kool-aid for too long and need to wake ups. You are the problem. Listening to all the talking heads and not even trying to formulate an idea or opinion of your own is the problem. They are glad to give you your opinion as long as you are oblivious to the fact that they are based on lies and rhetoric without a bit of substance. Think for yourself and look at the consequences of your actions on others for once. We all gotta live together wether you want to admit it or not. Give it a try. We'll all be better off.

Posted by: chriscurrence | January 9, 2011 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I think that I've heard "greedy corporations" more than any other vitriolic comments in the near past. Who is stirring this pot, and to what purpose?

Posted by: anotherside | January 9, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Jared Loughner reading Karl Marx and Hitler is a diversion to take the attention away from the Republican party violent rhetoric. Reading Marx, Hitler or anything else does not mean the reader agrees with the content or is shaped by the content.

Loughner also wrote recent things that sounded like Glenn Beck, such as gold, currency, government conspiracies, etc.

Contact: http://alexander.senate.gov/public/

Anyone that defends Palin's constant uses of gun usage verbiage is also guilty of the potential to incite violence in unstable people.

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' Republican opponent invited people to a shooting range, while mentioning the use of automatic weapons.

Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik is a voice of reason. He said today that the Arizona legislators are considering allowing the carrying of guns by college students and teachers. Dupnik has also received violent threats in the past.

Posted by: JimWalsh1 | January 9, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

@michaelmontague what do you call what American troops did in Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq? proudest moment of your freedom?

Get real, you call what it is, no matter who did it. Why exactly when Nazis or USSR did it, you call it torture, and when American did it, you don't want to use same term?

And to bring up this at this moment, is even more absurd. What exactly is your point in doing it? Inflame more hate? like what has been done by Teabeggers and GOPers in the past decades already?

Posted by: crislevin2010 | January 9, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

@marmac5.. I agree, using reading lists to implicate a political view is a stretch. However his burning the American flag is commonly viewed as a left wing activity.
The real point is that this guy is a nut case. We should not make laws to limit our freedoms in reaction to one small man. And never make such a knee jerk reaction resulting in laws based on profiles such as what happened when Republican Senator Joe McCarthy did so in the 1950's.

Posted by: michaelmontague | January 9, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

@marmac5.. I agree, using reading lists to implicate a political view is a stretch. However his burning the American flag is commonly viewed as a left wing activity.
The real point is that this guy is a nut case. We should not make laws to limit our freedoms in reaction to one small man. And never make such a knee jerk reaction resulting in laws based on profiles such as what happened when Republican Senator Joe McCarthy did so in the 1950's.

Posted by: michaelmontague | January 9, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

@marmac5.. I agree, using reading lists to implicate a political view is a stretch. However his burning the American flag is commonly viewed as a left wing activity.
The real point is that this guy is a nut case. We should not make laws to limit our freedoms in reaction to one small man. And never make such a knee jerk reaction resulting in laws based on profiles such as what happened when Republican Senator Joe McCarthy did so in the 1950's.

Posted by: michaelmontague | January 9, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

If you yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater and someone gets crushed in the rampage to the exit and dies who is to blame? Look it up. If someone's continues telling the public that politicians lie, cheat, steal, encourage killing grandma, want to destroy America, want to take ALL your money, are un-american, want to take away ALL YOUR RIGHTS, and are just simply evil human beings (if they're human at all) then should they have some responsibility in the actions of even the most crazy of those people when they act violently. Its not like this wasn't predicted. ALOT OF PEOPLE SAW THIS COMING. These people can't see the future. They just had enough common sense to know that these things are dangerous to say because this kind of violence and anger is all that can come of it. And please don't try to say it wasn't intended. Don't make yourself look stupid. They HAD TO KNOW violence would ensueand yet even after they were told this they continued on and on and on. They will not say this now but they encouraged this violence and it only takes someone with an open mind and a little common sense to see it. These political pundits and commentators couldn't run this country because they don't understand what gone governing involves. It involves preventing problems before they happen. Not waiting until there's a problem and then trying to solve it. Einstein said "Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them." These conservative pundits and commentators get what's coming to them now that the.worst has happened. I hope they can prosecute them for encouraging this violence. Sounds like willful disregard for human life to me. What do you think? Yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater? Who's to blame? The kid who's trying to get out of the theater and stomps on someone else or the person who lied and said there was a fire to begin with? Give it some thought.

Posted by: chriscurrence | January 9, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

@marmac5.. I agree, using reading lists to implicate a political view is a stretch. However his buring the American flag is commonly viewed as a left wing activity.
The real point is that this guy is a nut case. We should not make laws to limit our freedoms in reaction to one small man. And never make such a knee jerk reaction resulting in laws based on profiles such as what happened when Republican Senator Joe McCarthy did so in the 50's.

Posted by: michaelmontague | January 9, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

@marmac5.. I agree, using reading lists to implicate a political view is a stretch. However his buring the American flag is commonly viewed as a left wing activity.
The real point is that this guy is a nut case. We should not make laws to limit our freedoms in reaction to one small man. And never make such a knee jerk reaction resulting in laws based on profiles such as what happened when Republican Senator Joe McCarthy did so in the 50's.

Posted by: michaelmontague | January 9, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

@marmac5.. I agree, using reading lists to implicate a political view is a stretch. However his burning the American flag is commonly viewed as a left wing activity.
The real point is that this guy is a nut case. We should not make laws to limit our freedoms in reaction to one small man. And never make such a knee jerk reaction resulting in laws based on profiles such as what happened when Republican Senator Joe McCarthy did so in the 1950's.

Posted by: michaelmontague | January 9, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The right wing crazies who have taken over the Republican party as shills for big money interests are deranged people capable of anything.

Posted by: Scrumble | January 9, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

If you yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater and someone gets crushed in the rampage to the exit and dies who is to blame? Look it up. If someone's continues telling the public that politicians lie, cheat, steal, encourage killing grandma, want to destroy America, want to take ALL your money, are un-american, want to take away ALL YOUR RIGHTS, and are just simply evil human beings (if they're human at all) then should they have some responsibility in the actions of even the most crazy of those people when they act violently. Its not like this wasn't predicted. ALOT OF PEOPLE SAW THIS COMING. These people can't see the future. They just had enough common sense to know that these things are dangerous to say because this kind of violence and anger is all that can come of it. And please don't try to say it wasn't intended. Don't make yourself look stupid. They HAD TO KNOW violence would ensueand yet even after they were told this they continued on and on and on. They will not say this now but they encouraged this violence and it only takes someone with an open mind and a little common sense to see it. These political pundits and commentators couldn't run this country because they don't understand what gone governing involves. It involves preventing problems before they happen. Not waiting until there's a problem and then trying to solve it. Einstein said "Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them." These conservative pundits and commentators get what's coming to them now that the.worst has happened. I hope they can prosecute them for encouraging this violence. Sounds like willful disregard for human life to me. What do you think? Yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater? Who's to blame? The kid who's trying to get out of the theater and stomps on someone else or the person who lied and said there was a fire to begin with? Give it some thought.

Posted by: chriscurrence | January 9, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Regarding inflammatory rhetoric, Illinois Senator Dick Durbin called our troops Nazis just a few years ago. Today he is calling for restrained speech. He needs to make amends for what he said and then maybe we can take him seriously on this subject. Until then he is just a partisan protagonist.

Posted by: michaelmontague | January 9, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that those on the right refer to gunman reading Karl Marx, but they don't refer to the presence of Ayn Rand on his reading list. This is a prime example of cherry-picking in order to justify an ideological position. And actually, the young man had an eclectic reading list, going from left to right to classic (Plato's, "The Republic").

Posted by: marmac5 | January 9, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

They don't all lie cheat and steal. I can't believe you would say that with all the good things being said about congresswoman giffords by BOTH SIDES of politics. It sure does sound good to say though. Its just rhetoric from those who want to keep you stupid. The truth is more complicated. Also, it doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum the violence comes. No matter which side, the violence must be prosecuted and ALL THOSE INVOLVED should pay for what has happened. Even if we find that the shooter was encouraged to kill a congresswoman by a political pundit or commentator. ALL SHOULD PAY FOR CONTRIBUTING TO THIS DISGRACE OF OUR POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT. We need to remember that there are those of us who have been warning others of the danger of "second amendment remedies" and "reload" and "take aim" rhetoric. Nothing good can come from those words especially when there are plenty others to use. Can anyone really say these people who used the dangerous rhetoric didn't know what was the INEVITABLE CONCLUSION. IS ANYONE THAT STUPID?

Posted by: chriscurrence | January 9, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I must congratulate roname on his/her response here. In order to seem "fair" the both sides argument is paraded out. Yes, let's be fair. Yes, let's analyze the data and see where the fault line in discourse lies.

Posted by: rpmcestmoicoxnet | January 9, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

maybe they wouldn't need security or bodyguards if they just ...DID THEIR JOBS and stopped lying and cheating/thieving !!

its time for the politicians to CHANGE the way they serve the people !!!

or ...get your ass out of office !!!

Posted by: cantstandit | January 9, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

All these congress people don't realize that there are individuals in the country who will believe every single tactic used by them in order to scare people into submission. Telling people that the president is putting together "death panels" is not the same thing as elderly people making decision about their care befeore they become demented and someone else has to decide for them. Anyone who makes these type of irresponsible comments should be held accountable and made to pay with their political career.

Posted by: angelou | January 9, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Whenever one of these tragic events occur there is a slice of the public comment that reminds us that there are crazies on both sides. I would like the press to give us a census of the "sides" of the people who give us this reminder, as opposed to those who give us a straight condemnation of violence and express sympathy to the victims', families and friends. I would also like a count of the "sides" of the perpetrators of these terrible acts.

I won't speculate on the results of this survey. I think the relative size of the "side" who may be implying that the "sides'" of the crazies who do these things and the side not making this comment are more or less equal and the "side" who actually does most of these acts are actually the same "side."

If you are guilty of inciting people to riot, one defense is charging the other side with ALSO inciting people to riot. The press needs to keep and report an accurate score rather than furthering that sort of obfuscating defense.

Maybe we need some new and creative ways to reduce the number of weapons that crazies have access to, or reduce the freedom of the crazies that want to access weapons to be used on people?

Posted by: ronames | January 9, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

@thor41.....I couldnt have said it better!!! The media and liberals are straining to the point its become painful trying to connect conservatives to the actions of this lunatic. There is no connection and no truth to this effort by the communistic left propaganda machine known as the media.

Posted by: caseyshattuck | January 9, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

If he won't say it, I will. "Reading Karl Marx and burning the American flag" are common activities of the lunatic far Right and as far as you can get from the activities of the democrats. This transparent attempt by the news media to misdirect the activities of this madmen from where it belongs is just that, transparent. I don't belong to the Tea party and I am a republican but even I have to be uncomfortable with this twisted misdirection. All you have to do is google "palin" "rick perry" "glen beck" etc and you will see all the signs and symptoms of political terrorism.

Posted by: angelou | January 9, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

If he won't say it, I will. "Reading Karl Marx and burning the American flag" are common activities of the lunatic far left and as far as you can get from the activities of the Tea Party structure. This transparent attempt by the news media to misdirect the activities of this madmen from where it belongs is just that, transparent. I don't belong to the Tea party and I am a democrat but even I have to be uncomfortable with this twisted misdirection.

Posted by: thor41 | January 9, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

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