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Sen. John McCain on the uprising in Egypt: 'We should have seen this coming' (Sunday talk shows)

By Rachel Weiner and Emi Kolawole

Fox News Sunday

Rep. Paul Ryan defends Republicans' budget plans

Chris Wallace asked U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) how cutting stimulus spending would help the economy, when many economists - along with Chamber of Commerce President Tom Donohue - argue that some investment is needed to spur job creation. Ryan responded that Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke had told congressional Republicans that cutting spending would "send a signal to the markets, to the small businessmen and women of tomorrow," giving them confidence to start hiring. "I am not worried about Washington cutting too much spending too fast," he added. Asked about cutting entitlement spending, something the current Republican budget cuts don't touch, Ryan said the caucus needed time: "I can't tell you what our budget's gonna look like."

Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour (R) spoke on his own record on spending cuts, saying the libertarian CATO Institute was mistaken when it gave him a 'C' for fiscal policy. He explained that he raised taxes on cigarettes in his state "for health reasons, not for budget reasons," and that taxes had been so low they were out of line with the rest of South. On his poor showing in the CPAC straw poll, Barbour pointed out that the poll closed before he spoke, and said that many young conservatives had told him after his speech that they wished they could have voted for him.

ABC's This Week

Newt Gingrich: Obama should have reached out to Mubarak quietly

Former House speaker Newt Gingrich (R) criticized the Obama administration's response to the crisis in Egypt, saying the White House should have stood by Mubarak publicly while privately pushing him out. "You do it quietly, because every other potential ally in the world is watching you. And if they see you publicly abandon somebody who's been with you for 30 years, they wonder, why should I trust the United States?" At the same time, he says, "It's the courage of the Egyptian people that made that possible and we should be encouraging and reinforcing that courage." As for what the U.S. should do now, Gingrich said U.S. officers should reach out to friends in the Egyptian military and tell them, "You don't want to own the country, because then you own every problem and you can't solve them."

Meet the Press

Boehner: Not my job to tell people what to think

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) followed a panel on Egypt, and he was hesitant to attack the president as some other Republicans have. "I think what happened surprised everyone, so there's going to have to be a real assessment of why," he said. "I think I was surprised, I think [the White House] was surprised ... It's a very complex situation." He added that the uprising "gives you an idea of the impact of digital media today."

Boehner also avoided criticizing 'birthers' in his own caucus and the general public. "It's not my job to tell the American people what to think, it's my job to listen to the American people," he told David Gregory. He said he'd made it clear what he believed the facts to be: "I believe that the president is a citizen, I believe the president is a Christian, I take him at his word." But "the American people have a right to think what they want to think." Asked about Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho), who made a joke about his birth certificate at CPAC last week, Boehner said "the gentleman was trying to be funny, I imagine." On the other hand, Boehner declared his willingness to judge his members' behavior, in response to the resignation of Rep. Chris Lee (R-N.Y.): "The American people have the right, and should expect, the highest ethical standards from members of Congress," he said. He also said that once the American public understood the depth of the Social Security crisis, it would be easier to cut entitlement spending.

CNN State of the Union

Sen. Lindsey Graham: 'Electable' GOP 2012 presidential candidate 'has yet to emerge'

Graham (R-S.C.) joined the program as news broke of the Egyptian military leadership's announcement that it would dissolve the parliament, suspend the nation's constitution and retain power for six months or more before elections could be held. "This election ... is going to define Egypt for decades," Graham said. Conversation turned to the Conservative Political Action Conference, which concluded Saturday, with Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) winning the gathering's informal presidential candidate straw poll. "I'm looking for the most conservative person who's electable," said Graham when asked if there was a potential 2012 presidential candidate he could get behind, "that person has yet to emerge."

Graham was followed by White House Office of Management and Budget director Jacob Lew, who addressed the president's budget request set to be released Monday.

"We're beyond the easy, low-hanging fruit," Lew said referring to tough choices that needed to be made. Lew referred to the Obama's plan to make cuts to the Federal Pell grants program -- cuts that, Lew said, would need to be made to preserve the integrity of the student loan program. Lew defended the cuts saying that while the burden would increase on students - they would have to start paying their student loans, plus interest, immediately after graduation -- it would not jeopardize the accessibility of higher education.

In response to whether the GOP's proposed $100 billion cuts were possible, Lew demurred, choosing to tout the president's proposed plan saying, "We look forward to working with the congressmen."

C-SPAN Newsmakers

Rep. Steve Israel: 'Republicans are actually helping us' get House majority back

DCCC chairman Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) joined reporters Reid Wilson of Hotline and Alex Isenstadt of Politico to discuss Democrats' preparations for the 2012 elections after their drubbing in 2010.

"The state of the Democratic party is sound," said Israel,"we have a path to get the house back and Republicans are actually helping us along the way." Israel went on to describe the party's fundraising efforts, and the instructions the party was delivering to lawmakers in terms of how to orchestrate their election efforts on the ground. "We lost 9 million independent voters between 2006 and 2010," said Israel, but "Republicans have a heck of a lot more to be nervous about on retirements than we do." He also announced that Democrats would be making announcements regarding re-redistricting results "by the end of the quarter," refusing to provide any early details.

Israel was also called on to address the fallout from Rep. Chris Lee's (R-N.Y.) sudden retirement following the disclosure that he had attempted to cheat on his wife via the online classifieds Web site Craig's List. Israel denied being in touch with White House deputy press secretary Bill Burton, who is rumored to be exploring a potential bid. "I've not had any direct conversations with Bill," Israel said. He also took an opportunity to advertise his own abilities to lead Democrats to victory in 2012. "I may not have the same volume of obscenities that Rahm Emanuel did" or "the same attributes" that Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) had, Israel said, but he was confident he could produce the same quality of results.

Face the Nation

Sen. John McCain on the uprising in Egypt: 'We should have seen this coming'

Sameh Shoukry, Egyptian ambassador to the United States, provided an update on the situation in Egypt and was followed by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). McCain was asked if the United States should have seen the Egyptian uprising coming. "I think so. We should have seen this coming when the Egyptian government failed to move forward with a process to democratization," McCain said. McCain went on to blame the Obama administration for not speaking up for the protesters in Iran, referring to the outrage that followed the death of Iranian protester Neda Agha-Soltan - who became a touchstone for anti-government protesters in 2009.

"I think it's going to be a confrontation," McCain said of the nature of the debate that will follow the president's release of his fiscal 2012 budget request and how it will be compared with Republican's cost-cutting proposals laid out in the continuing resolution to fund the government through the current fiscal year. On the subject of making cuts to entitlements ans defense spending, McCain was firm: "No longer can it remain the third rail of politics," he said, praising Secretary of Defense Robert Gates for "getting out ahead" of the budget debate and proposing cuts on his own.

"We've got to be very careful with our cuts to defense spending," said McCain, a decorated military veteran.

By Rachel Weiner and Emi Kolawole  | February 13, 2011; 12:01 PM ET
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Comments

boscobobb,

See what series of events got Barack Hussein Obama II elected:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21382712/Isnt-the-Birther-Movement-Really-About-Racism

Look at your state election laws.
Look at federal election laws.
Who can you hold accountable?
Who can you sue?

Posted by: borderraven | February 15, 2011 1:53 AM | Report abuse

borderraven, (et al)

Obama is an usurper? Who allowed him to do this?

So why did George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and the ENTIRE Bush Administration stand by and allow Obama to run for president?

John Bolton is in on the conspiracy because he didn't oppose Obama, either.

They were all conspirators, too, correct?

You obviously don't comprehend how absurd your obsessive argument has become.

There is an excellent drug called Paxil that is commonly prescribed to treat major depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, panic disorder, social anxiety, and generalized anxiety disorder. I've frequently seen it prescribed for people with social anxiety, but you most of the people featured on the TV show "Hoarders" would be good candidates.

Talk with your doctor and try Paxil for 6 weeks. If you don't feel better stop. But your birther obsession will likely disappear in those 6 weeks.

Posted by: boscobobb | February 14, 2011 11:31 PM | Report abuse

borderaven wrote:

"I suspect Pelosi and Reid negotiated with Hillary, that she would get Sec-State (Still in Presidential line of Succession) if she would step aside and let Obama run with the media hype and COLB propaganda behind him."

-----
'I SUSPECT' is the best evidence you have?

Do you mean that Hillary Clinton, who every right wing radio talker, the entire FauxNoise TV network and every conservative pundit constantly said would DO ANYTHING TO BE PRESIDENT was willing to just roll over and be quiet about him not being an American?

And you think that Bill Clinton would sit idly by and NOT GET BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE just so some interloper could get the nod? And BIll would keep quiet?

But wait, there's more. You're also believing that both John McCain and Sarah Palin would allow Obama to become president. And all 9 Republicans who ran for president in 2008.

And the ENTIRE Supreme Court would idly stand by.

And the ENTIRE US CONGRESS including 435 representatives and 98 senators (I'll leave out Biden and Obama) would idly stand by.

So ALL of those people have to be bought off for the conspiracy to move forward? Wouldn't that get to be pretty difficult?


Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? The Razor is a principle that suggests we should tend towards simpler theories until we can trade some simplicity for increased explanatory power.

Obama is an American citizen born in Hawaii in 1961. Not only is it the simplest answer, but it's the only answer with the most evidence.

Quit wasting your time. Teach kids how to read or something useful.

Posted by: boscobobb | February 14, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Sen. McCain is right: Obama should have seen the Egyptian crisis coming. But, with a novice in the White House who is barely dry behind his ears, you cannot expect much. What possessed the American people to hand the presidency over to Obama? He was not ready then and he is not ready now for the immense task of being president. He is apparently already running his one billion dollar campaign to hold on to his office in 2012. Get him outta here!

Posted by: Tommypie | February 14, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Not only did the administration see it coming, I believe that president Obama hastened its arrival with that speech he delivered In Cairo in June of 2009. Telling the Egyptian people how great democracy was and that everyone should have equal access in it. The first time an American president has made such a major speech in a Muslim country. The fact that it has came about relatively bloodless is nothing short of amazing and if by chance the result of this uprising produce a democracy of some sort , president Obama is going to be credited with establishing the first true democracy in that part of the world. Much to the chagrin of the Republicans I might add….

Posted by: jcarl55 | February 14, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Which would you defend? (Choose only one.)
A. The US Constitution
B. Barack Hussein Obama II

Posted by: borderraven | February 14, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"Children being under the age of consent cannot elect allegiance" and follow the combined allegiance of their parents:
Barry v Mercein 46 U. S.(1847) Case Footnote 4:

The plaintiff in error being of legeance to the crown of England,HIS CHILD, THOUGH BORN IN THE UNITED STATES during his father’s temporary residence therein–22 months & 20 days–not withstanding its mother be an American citizen,is not a citizen of the United States. It IS INCAPICITATE BY ITS INFANCY from making any present election,FOLLOWS THE LEGEANCE OF ITS FATHER, PARTUS SEQUITUR PATREM,and is a British subject. Justice Story's"Conflict Laws"
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=46&invol=103

Posted by: borderraven | February 14, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

cmarston9,

This is nothing personal about Barack Hussein Obama II, his race or choice of religion.

This is not about protecting one man to be a US President.

The importance of this is all about defending the US Constitution and protecting the Executive Branch during my watch, that it is not usurped.

Barack Hussein Obama II was born a dual-citizen. The Declaration of Independence and US Constitution tell me that only a natural born person, born with single-allegiance to the USA shall be a US President.

Barack Hussein Obama II is a US Citizen and qualified to be a US Senator, mayor, etc., but not constitutionally eligible to be a US President.

LURIA v. U S, 231 U.S. 9 (1913)
It has been said that citizenship carries with it all of the rights and prerogatives of citizenship obtained by birth in this country 'save that of eligibility to the Presidency.'

Posted by: borderraven | February 14, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Whew...I thought that all of the "birthers" (they don't qualify to be capitalized) had disappeared. What fun on a Monday...you guys aren't serious, are you???

And we let you vote???? Beam me up Scotty...

Posted by: cmarston99 | February 14, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

boscobobb, says "Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? The Razor is a principle that suggests we should tend towards simpler theories until we can trade some simplicity for increased explanatory power.

Obama is an American citizen born in Hawaii in 1961. Not only is it the simplest answer, but it's the only answer with the most evidence."

Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 The Executive:
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Defined by Natural Law and fitting the intent of the US Constitution:
(SOIL)+(MOM)+(DAD) = BABY CITIZENSHIP
(USA)+(USA)+(USA) = US NATURAL BORN CITIZEN
Since each parent contributes equally their blood to the child, then each parent confers equally their allegiance and rights to the child.

(USA)+(USA)+(ALIEN) = US NATIVE BORN DUAL CITIZEN
Obama was born a dual citizen. He is ineligible to be a US President.

The US Natural Born Citizen
http://www.scribd.com/doc/47774479/The-US-Natural-Born-Citizen-V1-0

http://www.scribd.com/doc/46146244/US-President-Eligibility

Presidents 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 & 12, who were "present at the adoption of the constitution" became the first-generation US Citizens "by conversion".
With George Washington being 55 and Zachary Taylor being the youngest at 3 years old.

The "second-generation" US Citizens who were born of two first generation citizens, became the Natural Born Citizens.

The Natural Born Citizens who became US Presidents are: 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 38, 40, 41, 42 & 43.
Both of their parents either became citizens at the adoption of the constitution, or were born of the new citizens, or were naturalized before the future president was born.

The presidents born under the 1855 Act 2 of Congress (1855 to 1922) are: 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, and 38.
http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/US/74/74.US.496.html
On the 10th of February, 1855, Congress passed an act,1 entitled ''An act to secure the right of citizenship to children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits thereof,' the second section of which provides, 'that any woman, who might lawfully be naturalized under the existing laws, married, or who shall be married to a citizen of the United States, shall be deemed and taken to be a citizen.''

Anomallies
#21 Chester A. Arthur
Chester Alan Arthur was born on October 5, 1829, fourteen (14) years before his father William Arthur was naturalized as a US citizen, and #44 Barack Hussein Obama II.

Posted by: borderraven | February 14, 2011 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I have just read the best comments posted

by FlashHarry. Everything that Flash-

Harry has exposed, hopefully is meanninful

between now and 2012. But, the mysterious

question is, how did Obama become

catapulted onto the World political stage,

unless lurking in the background were a

group of usurpers like "THE NEW WORLD

ORDER," ready to pounce once the United

States Congress has been infiltrated

with Obama's Socialistic beliefs.

Posted by: dennishabern1 | February 14, 2011 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Wow, one issue dominating the whole thread: Birthering.

Y'know, the one things that Birthers never seem to get around to answering are the physical discrepancies in their claims. They act like flying around Third World countries in the 60s required nothing but unicorn wings.

Posted by: pasc1 | February 14, 2011 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone in their right mind actually

believe that Obama is an American citizen?

Obama is the prophet of "THE NEW WORLD

ORDER," therefore, years ago the NWO first

picked their future Mulatto candidate

because not too many people would question

a sitting president for fear of being

labeled that he or she is prejudiced,

and in addition, the NWO has had time

in te past, to obliterate Obama's old

personal records and manufacture new One's

for this pretender, much on the same order of

of creating new identities for individuals

that have blown the whistle on the Mafia,

for example. The NWO is using Obama to

fulfill their plan for world takeover,

to destroy American capitalism and our

economics, and then to run the Planet with

a world president of their choice. The

NWO's Modus Operandi is exposed on the

Internet. Obama is leading the United

States down the merry lane to Socialism,

but everyone realizes that Socialism has

never functioned efficiently in any country

that has instituted its following.

2012 cannot come soon enough.

Obama is despicable, especially in the

manner how he kicked aside, Mubarak, a 30

year Ally that should not have been shunned

publicly, but privately shown him the door

to retirement. Obama, in his two years in

office and before, has not delineated that

he is presidential material, therefore,

how did this unknown, become nominated

for the Presidency and then win the

Presidency? Obama is not enough to

accomplish these endeavors on his own,

therefore, the question is, who is really

supporting Obama? Who is pushing the

envelope so that he retains an additional

4 years. Can anyone imagine another 4

years with this usurper?

Posted by: dennishabern1 | February 14, 2011 6:48 AM | Report abuse

The "Wise Health Insurance" is quite popular in California and New York. For example it offers the low income health plan. Also offers health insurance for individual with pre-exisiting conditions.

Posted by: wendyreyees | February 14, 2011 4:29 AM | Report abuse

borderaven wrote:

"I suspect Pelosi and Reid negotiated with Hillary, that she would get Sec-State (Still in Presidential line of Succession) if she would step aside and let Obama run with the media hype and COLB propaganda behind him."

-----
'I SUSPECT' is the best evidence you have?

Do you mean that Hillary Clinton, who every right wing radio talker, the entire FauxNoise TV network and every conservative pundit constantly said would DO ANYTHING TO BE PRESIDENT was willing to just roll over and be quiet about him not being an American?

And you think that Bill Clinton would sit idly by and NOT GET BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE just so some interloper could get the nod? And BIll would keep quiet?

But wait, there's more. You're also believing that both John McCain and Sarah Palin would allow Obama to become president. And all 9 Republicans who ran for president in 2008.

And the ENTIRE Supreme Court would idly stand by.

And the ENTIRE US CONGRESS including 435 representatives and 98 senators (I'll leave out Biden and Obama) would idly stand by.

So ALL of those people have to be bought off for the conspiracy to move forward? Wouldn't that get to be pretty difficult?


Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? The Razor is a principle that suggests we should tend towards simpler theories until we can trade some simplicity for increased explanatory power.

Obama is an American citizen born in Hawaii in 1961. Not only is it the simplest answer, but it's the only answer with the most evidence.

Quit wasting your time. Teach kids how to read or something useful.

Posted by: boscobobb | February 14, 2011 3:44 AM | Report abuse

Certification of Live Birth v. Birth Certificate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkCKReIBly0

e·piph·a·ny : a sudden, intuitive perception of or insight into the reality or essential meaning of something, usually initiated by some simple, homely, or commonplace occurrence or experience.

It is not so much that you should worry about a foreign government having control over a US President who is born a dual-citizen; but you should worry that a US President who is born a dual-citizen would exercise loyalties towards a foreign nation.

Let's not forget how Ferdinand Marcos, former elected President of the Republic of Phillipines, declared a national emergency, suspended the constitution and put the nation under martial law for 14 years. He and his wife Imelda diverted millions in US foreign aid and rent paid for military bases to personal shopping, and nepotism, while local infrastructure crumbled or wasn't built. I toured the Philippines for 30-days in 1984, visited Leyte and toured a personal residence, that was filled with the "loot" of their shopping sprees.

Posted by: borderraven | February 14, 2011 3:22 AM | Report abuse

boscobobb, asks "Can you explain why Hillary Clinton didn't point out that Obama wasn't a citizen?"

I suspect Pelosi and Reid negotiated with Hillary, that she would get Sec-State (Still in Presidential line of Succession) if she would step aside and let Obama run with the media hype and COLB propaganda behind him.

"Do you think she had more motivation, money, legal skills and the power of a former president than you?"

Oh yes, more qualified than Obama, but "another Clinton" following Bill's history, and Bill would be back in the White House.

You'd better hope I'm right, because if we allow dual-citizens to be president, then we lose the sovereignty we have taken for granted. See the Declaration of Independence.

Posted by: borderraven | February 14, 2011 3:05 AM | Report abuse

If Barack Hussein Obama II was born in the USA to a US citizen mother and a US citizen father, then he would be a US Natural Born Citizen, therefore his citizenship would not be affected by the British Nationality Act of 1948 or the 1963 Kenyan Constitution. Barack Hussein Obama II is not a US Natural Born Citizen and is ineligible under US Constitution Article 1 to serve as a US President.

Barack Hussein Obama II was born in the USA to a US citizen mother and a British citizen so at birth he was a Native Born US/British Dual Citizen, and later his citizenship was affected by the British Nationality Act of 1948 and the 1963 Kenyan Constitution, therefore he is a US Citizen. Barack Hussein Obama II is a US citizen eligible under US Constitution Article 1 to serve as a US Senator.


Timeline Barack H Obama II 1961 to 1982
http://www.scribd.com/doc/47290773/Timeline-Barack-h-Obama-II-1961-to-1982
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24001567/Obama-BC-GMom
http://russthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/obama-kenyan-birth-certificate-from-lucas-smith.jpg?w=744&h=1024

Posted by: borderraven | February 14, 2011 2:50 AM | Report abuse

borderraven,

Can you explain why Hillary Clinton didn't point out that Obama wasn't a citizen?

Do you think she had more motivation, money, legal skills and the power of a former president than you?

Apply Occam's razor. The simplest answer is: You're wrong.

Posted by: boscobobb | February 14, 2011 2:46 AM | Report abuse

Footnotes:
[1] Fourteenth Amendment.
[2] USA v. Wong Kim Ark (1898),
[3] Perkins v. Elg (1939) [5]
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_citizenship
[5] 1855 Act of Congress (1855 to 1922)
http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/US/74/74.US.496.html
On the 10th of February, 1855, Congress passed an act,1 entitled ''An act to secure the right of citizenship to children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits thereof,' the second section of which provides, 'that any woman, who might lawfully be naturalized under the existing laws, married, or who shall be married to a citizen of the United States, shall be deemed and taken to be a citizen.''

[6] LURIA v. U S, 231 U.S. 9 (1913)

[7] JOHN BINGHAM 37th Congress 2nd Session House of Representatives 1862.

[8] Barry v Mercein 46 U. S.(1847) Case Footnote 4

Posted by: borderraven | February 14, 2011 2:42 AM | Report abuse

2) US Natural Born Citizen:
a) Is a "second-generation" citizen resulting only from birth of two US citizens.
b) Cannot be born of parents owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty.[7] [8]
c) Cannot be a naturalized or converted to become a US Natural Born Citizen.
d) Cannot be conceived or born out of wedlock.
e) Cannot be a foundling.
f) Cannot be born of an alien parent. [7][8]
g) Cannot ever have been born a dual-citizen. [7]
h) Can on reaching majority become dual-citizen without losing US Natural Born Citizenship.
i) Can be born of two US Citizen parents. [7]
j) Can be born of two US Natural Born Citizen parents. [7]
k) Can be born of one US Citizen parent plus one US Natural Born parent. [7]
l) Can be native born of two US Citizen parents. [3] [7]
m) Can be native born of two US Natural Born Citizen parents. [7]
n) Can be native born of parents where one is a US Citizen and the other a US Natural Born Citizen. [7]
o) Can be native born posthumously of two US Citizen parents. [7]
p) Can be native born posthumously of two US Natural Born Citizen parents. [7]
q) Can be native born posthumously of parents where one is a US Citizen and the other a US Natural Born Citizen. [7]
r) Can be foreign born of two US Citizen parents under special circumstances.
s) Can be foreign born of two US Natural Born Citizen parents under special circumstances.
t) Can be foreign born of two parents where one is a US Citizen plus the other a US Natural Born Citizen under special circumstances.
u) Has equal obligations, rights, and responsibilities as a US Citizen. [6]
v) Can serve in every government position, including in the line of succession to the US Presidency. [6]

Posted by: borderraven | February 14, 2011 2:40 AM | Report abuse

US Citizen or US Natural Born Citizen?
by Gerry Nance

1) US Citizen:
a) Is a "first-generation" citizen.
b) Cannot be derivative naturalization of a stepchild.
c) Can be an alien then naturalized in a United State where resident. [1]
d) Can be native born of two an alien parents. [1][2]
e) Can be native born of one US Citizen parent plus one alien parent. [4]
f) Can be native born of one US Natural Born Citizen parent plus one alien parent.
g) Can be foreign born of one US Citizen parent plus one alien parent.
h) Can be foreign born of one US Natural Born Citizen parent plus one alien parent.
i) Can be a foundling when found abandoned in a US state when under 5 years of age, unless foreign birth is established before the child reaches age 21.
j) Has equal obligations, rights, and responsibilities as a US Natural Born Citizen.
k) Can serve in every government position, except in the line of succession to the US Presidency.
i) Any woman, who might lawfully be naturalized under the existing laws, married, or who shall be married to a citizen of the United States, shall be deemed and taken to be a citizen.'' Act of 1855 (1855 to 1922). [5]
l) Step children not adopted or not residing in the US, cannot be US citizens.
m) Citizenship is membership in a political society, and implies a duty of allegiance on the part of the member and a duty of protection on the part of the society. These are reciprocal obligations, one being a compensation for the other. Under our Constitution, a naturalized citizen stands on an equal footing with the native citizen in all respects, save that of eligibility to the Presidency. [6]

Posted by: borderraven | February 14, 2011 2:36 AM | Report abuse

There are only 2 paths to US citizenship:

1. Naturalization in a United State = US Citizen

2. Birth.
There are 4 sub-paths to US citizenship by birth:
a. Foreign birth to a US Citizen in a Foreign State = US Citizen
b. Foreign birth to 2 US Citizens in a Foreign State = US Natural Born Citizen
c. Native birth to a US Citizen in a United State = US Citizen
d. Natural birth to 2 US Citizens in a United State = US Natural Born Citizen

Since Obama isn't natural born, he is ineligible to be President of the United States.

Stop the denial and learn to accept it.

Posted by: borderraven | February 14, 2011 2:24 AM | Report abuse

Edith Coats Hawaii Longform 1962 #151- 62 - 08498
http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/passportusa/edith_front.jpg
http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/passportusa/edith_rear.jpg
http://passportsusa.com/?page_id=209

Edith Coats' Birth Certificate is stamped on the rear:
"I CERTIFY THIS IS A TRUE COPY OF THE RECORD ON FILE IN THE HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH""

Edith Coats has displayed a true copy of an original birth certificate, which contains public and confidential information.

- - -
Barack Obama's COLB:
http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/passportusa/barack_rear.jpg

Barack Obama's COLB is stamped on the rear:
"I CERTIFY THIS IS A TRUE COPY OR ABSTRACT OF THE RECORD ON FILE IN THE HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH""

Posted by: borderraven | February 14, 2011 2:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: borderraven | February 14, 2011 2:01 AM | Report abuse

37th Congress 2nd Session House of Representatives 1862
JOHN BINGHAM
Who are natural born citizens?

"All persons born within the Republic, OF PARENTS OWING ALLEGIANCE TO NO OTHER SOVEREIGNTY, ARE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS. Gentlemen can find no exception to this statement touching natural born citizens except what is said in the Constitution in relation to Indians The reason that exception was made in the Constitution is apparent to everybody ... "

Posted by: borderraven | February 14, 2011 1:55 AM | Report abuse

Children being under the age of consent cannot elect allegiance and follow the combined allegiance of their parents:
Barry v Mercein 46 U. S.(1847) Case Footnote 4:
"The plaintiff in error being of legeance to the crown of England,HIS CHILD, THOUGH BORN IN THE UNITED STATES during his father’s temporary residence therein–22 months & 20 days–not withstanding its mother be an American citizen,is not a citizen of the United States. It IS INCAPICITATE BY ITS INFANCY from making any present election,FOLLOWS THE LEGEANCE OF ITS FATHER, PARTUS SEQUITUR PATREM,and is a British subject. Justice Story's"Conflict Laws"
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=46&invol=103

Posted by: borderraven | February 14, 2011 1:52 AM | Report abuse

The 1855 Act of Congress:
http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/US/74/74.US.496.html
On the 10th of February, 1855, Congress passed an act,1 entitled ''An act to secure the right of citizenship to children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits thereof,' the second section of which provides, 'that any woman, who might lawfully be naturalized under the existing laws, married, or who shall be married to a citizen of the United States, shall be deemed and taken to be a citizen.''

Posted by: borderraven | February 14, 2011 1:45 AM | Report abuse

If you trust the documents Barack Obama posted on Fight the Smears and what is on FactCheck.org, I have a video for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

Prima facie is a Latin expression meaning on its first appearance, or at first sight.
The literal translation would be "at first face".

In layman's terms "prima facie" means there is something to back it up. You can accept the prima facie as true for now, but you can request the original later.
Let me explain it this way:
I post a photo of me on the Internet, holding one-hundred $100 bills, as prima facie evidence I have the real money, and say that I will send $100 to the first 100 people who send $20 to my offshore address.
How soon will your check be in the mail?

See the above video again.

Posted by: borderraven | February 14, 2011 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Astute 0bservers around the world contine to understand that the foolishess being pushed by the "Birthers" is a load of doggie crap.

Posted by: thrh | February 14, 2011 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Astute 0bservers around the world contine to understand that the foolishess being pushed by the "Birthers" is a load of doggie crap.

Posted by: thrh | February 14, 2011 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Astute 0bservers around the world contine to understand that the foolishess being pushed by the "Birthers" is a load of doggie crap.

Posted by: thrh | February 14, 2011 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Astute 0bservers around the world contine to understand that the foolishess being pushed by the "Birthers" is a load of doggie crap.

Posted by: thrh | February 14, 2011 12:06 AM | Report abuse

"Astute observers in corridors of power around the world and other quarters understand that Barack Obama's greatest political liability and obstacle to re-election is the fast growing awareness of the fact that he continues to conceal virtually the entire paper trail of his existence in a tight shroud of secrecy.

Read all of the comments in this thread, including those of the frantic Obamapologists who desperately seek to divert attention from this ongoing deception with inane comments and irrelevant accusations.

And while you're at it, check out cashill.com to examine just one of the many sources of information that the mainstream media doesn't want you to see.

Most importantly, decide for yourself."

I weighed all the evidence and decided for myself. Harry is a paranoid schizophrenic. His mother is the worst piece I've ever had. And she refused to refund my money.

Love,

Dad.

PS. Get a life.

Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Harry's mother, in her defense, was the cheapest lay I've ever had!

The 30 secnd timer bothered me, though.

Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Harry's mother, in her defense, was the cheapest lay I've ever had!

Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 11:44 PM | Report abuse

"Astute observers in corridors of power around the world and other quarters understand that Barack Obama's greatest political liability and obstacle to re-election is the fast growing awareness of the fact that he continues to conceal virtually the entire paper trail of his existence in a tight shroud of secrecy."

No, Harry: your objection is that he is a M****r. Obama has written two autobiographies. He has posted online his official birth certificate. The State of Hawaii has voucned for his birth certificate.

Your mother, by contrast, keeps defying my suit for my 35 cents back for a totally unsatistfying BJ. You might be my son or daughter, to my eternal disgrace; or you might be the progeny of all those in line behind me with their handfuls of quarters.

Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 11:42 PM | Report abuse

"Astute observers in corridors of power around the world and other quarters understand that Barack Obama's greatest political liability and obstacle to re-election is the fast growing awareness of the fact that he continues to conceal virtually the entire paper trail of his existence in a tight shroud of secrecy."

THE BIG LIE.

Name another President who had published two autobiographies before he even ran for President.

Name another Presidential candidate who had to prove he was born in the USA. [John McCain wasn't, but he was born on an US military base in Panama].

It all comes down to color; and, sorry to tell you, Harry: your mother was a mulatto. You'se one of dem, too! Ogga-booga!!!

PS: She still over charged me. Not very good for the money.

Love,

Dad.

Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey, FlashHarry: you show me your birth cetificate and I'll show your mine!

[The President has already shown his.]

As a Patriotic American, it's your Duty to Show Your Birth Certificate, Flashy!

Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Astute observers in corridors of power around the world and other quarters understand that Barack Obama's greatest political liability and obstacle to re-election is the fast growing awareness of the fact that he continues to conceal virtually the entire paper trail of his existence in a tight shroud of secrecy.

Read all of the comments in this thread, including those of the frantic Obamapologists who desperately seek to divert attention from this ongoing deception with inane comments and irrelevant accusations.

And while you're at it, check out cashill.com to examine just one of the many sources of information that the mainstream media doesn't want you to see.

Most importantly, decide for yourself.

Posted by: FlashHarry | February 13, 2011 11:17 PM | Report abuse

THIS JUST IN:

FlashHarry has sex with his own mother.

She charges him with family discount.

Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 11:15 PM | Report abuse

You know, I paid FlashHarry's mother 35 whole cents for a BJ in an alley in Newark several years ago, and one thing came to another and just look what came of it. Neonazi postings by someone who could be my progeny or that of some dozens of other people. What an embarassment!

Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 11:11 PM | Report abuse

"The appearance of Barack Obama upon the national political scene changed that dynamic, and he was given a remarkable special exception from this important traditional practice."

Hog crap, Harry! What were GW Bush's grades in Harvard Business School? Bet you don't know. Bet you don't know because GW refuses to release them. Let me know if you have a response.

These bozos pretend they have an issue: they don't have an issue. They don't have a mind. Just a position.

Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 11:06 PM | Report abuse

"The appearance of Barack Obama upon the national political scene changed that dynamic, and he was given a remarkable special exception from this important traditional practice."

Hog crap, Harry! What were GW Bush's grades in Harvard Business School? Bet you don't know. Bet you don't know because GW refuses to release them. Let me know if you have a response.

These bozos pretend they have an issue: they don't have an issue. They don't have a mind. Just a position.

Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 11:04 PM | Report abuse

The fun in this otherwise painful and embarrasing site is to see what the truly ignorant are "thinking," so to speak.
Aristotle the Hun and FlashHarry are two examples of people who should have engaged brain before speaking. Except that they seem to have no brain whatever.

Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 10:58 PM | Report abuse

It had become customary for postwar modern era presidential candidates to allow for the release and scrutiny of the substantive body of their personal records and credentials, indeed up until 2008 primarily because of a strong interest from the mainstream media.

The appearance of Barack Obama upon the national political scene changed that dynamic, and he was given a remarkable special exception from this important traditional practice.

In their eagerness to 'make history' by covering the campaign of the man whom they were clearly interested in helping to become the first black president, the mainstream media failed in their essential national responsibility, namely to report on significant events with thoroughness and impartial objectivity. They ignored their duty to search for the truth and should be regarded with disdain by all people who value information in a free society.

Democratic incumbents at all levels of government, as well as rank and file voters, might well demand to know exactly how Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and the rest of their party leadership allowed a person who was clearly given only the most cursory sort of vetting to become their presidential nominee.

It is certainly true that there have been a few occasions when a presidential candidate has been deceptive or less than completely forthcoming in cooperating with this unofficial process of self-revelation that American voters have come to expect.

The medical records of JFK were allegedly sanitized to delete his diagnosis of Addison's disease and history of treatments for STD related maladies. The financial records of LBJ were allegedly altered to conceal the extent of his business ownerships and investment holdings. The national guard service records of W were allegedly missing or incomplete regarding his attendance and compliance with certain standard regulations.

All of these instances pale in comparison with the stunning systemic totality of concealment of practically every original record and document from the entire life of Barack Obama.

Virtually the entire paper trail of the current president's existence, from birth to the White House, continues to remain deeply hidden away in a tight shroud of secrecy.

Barack Obama and his handlers were able to hide his past and explain away and minimize his associations with highly controversial individuals and groups during their 2008 campaign.

Will they be able to effectively repeat this deception between now and 6 November 2012?

Only if you let them.

Posted by: FlashHarry | February 13, 2011 10:57 PM | Report abuse

"So here come the personal attacks. The only weapon Obots have left in limp wristed defense of AKA Obama.

Ridicule is one of the lower forms of logical fallacy and would disqualify you for a grade school debate team.

See Saul Alinsky RULE 5: Ridicule is mans most potent weapon. There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
(Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear. I can remember when liberals were nice people who were just wrong about most things. Now they are wrong and nasty.)
The “progressive movement” has shown itself to be a cesspool of intolerant bullies. The trademark personal insult, name calling, ridicule, and ad hominem attacks characterize the debate style of Obama’s people That tactic has worked quite well on the ignorant and those who value feeling more than reason. Uninformed voted Obama –
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/12/uninformed-voted-obama-informed-voted.html
This is not new, transformational politics. This is the rise of a New American Fascism.
You might consult an article on this blog entitled. Spot false arguments and make strong ones.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/11/spot-false-arguments-and-make-strong.html


Posted by: AristotleTheHun | February 13, 2011 10:48 PM"

AWARD!

Dumbest post of all time!

Aristotle should be glad he's dead, if "people" (I use the term loosely) are using his name in vain to this extent.

Where did you study philosophy, you stupid cow? Oklahoma A&M? I am sure they will disown you.

Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 10:53 PM | Report abuse

So here come the personal attacks. The only weapon Obots have left in limp wristed defense of AKA Obama.

Ridicule is one of the lower forms of logical fallacy and would disqualify you for a grade school debate team.

See Saul Alinsky RULE 5: Ridicule is mans most potent weapon. There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
(Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear. I can remember when liberals were nice people who were just wrong about most things. Now they are wrong and nasty.)
The “progressive movement” has shown itself to be a cesspool of intolerant bullies. The trademark personal insult, name calling, ridicule, and ad hominem attacks characterize the debate style of Obama’s people That tactic has worked quite well on the ignorant and those who value feeling more than reason. Uninformed voted Obama –
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/12/uninformed-voted-obama-informed-voted.html
This is not new, transformational politics. This is the rise of a New American Fascism.
You might consult an article on this blog entitled. Spot false arguments and make strong ones.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/11/spot-false-arguments-and-make-strong.html


Posted by: AristotleTheHun | February 13, 2011 10:48 PM | Report abuse

"FlashHarry" is proud of being White, for all the wrong reasons. Doesn't mean you aren't dumber than a rock,which "FlashHarry" demonstrably is. I mean, you want stupid racist gibberish? He's the source. Brain dead racist drek.

Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 10:48 PM | Report abuse

"Flashharry": I had a brief encounter with your mother in an alley in Newark 20-odd years ago. She charged me $3.50. I said it wasn't worth it, so we parted on disputed terms.

Love,

Dad.

Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey! The Birthers are out in full force tonight! Lucky thing, since the local cable just cancelled "The Three Stooges."

"What is being hidden and why are they hiding it?

Posted by: FlashHarry"

Full disclosure, FlashHarry: I paid your mother $3.50 for sex in an alley in Newark 21 years ago. It wasn't worth it. She refused to refund my money.

Fondly,

Dad.


Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey! The Birthers are out in full force tonight! Lucky thing, since the local cable just cancelled "The Three Stooges."

"What is being hidden and why are they hiding it?

Posted by: FlashHarry"

Full disclosure, FlashHarry: I paid your mother $3.50 for sex in an alley in Newark 21 years ago. It wasn't worth it. She refused to refund my money.

Fondly,

Dad.


Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

"FlashHarry" took time off from his fulltime occupation of "flashing" (exposing himself to) young girls on the internet to share his "wisdom" about Obama's birthplace with us.

Dumbest pile of garbage I've ever heard, except from Sarah Palin....

Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

"FlashHarry" took time off from his fulltime occupation of "flashing" (exposing himself to) young girls on the internet to share his "wisdom" about Obama's birthplace with us.

Dumbest pile of garbage I've ever heard, except from Sarah Palin....

Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 10:28 PM | Report abuse

"The mainstream media and various other Obama supporters have been quick to selectively and purposefully focus on the so-called 'birthers' whenever any mention is made of the growing awareness of the fact that the current president continues to conceal virtually the entire paper trail of his existence in a tight shroud of secrecy.
"

Get a life, you stupid, illiterate creep! What other President has ever published not one, but two, autobiographies before he even was running for the office?

What other President has ever had to have a state confirm that he was born in that state, because of the ignorant inquiries of stupid people like you?

Nobody. Just because you are unwilling to say what your real issue is: he is a N****r. And that is because if you stated your real purpose, the majority of the Americal people would burn you alive. And relieve themselves upon your smoking corpse.

And enjoy it. And laugh at your wife and children, and perpetually exile them.

All for your stupidity. You earned it, bozo. Enjoy it!

Posted by: thrh | February 13, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

The mainstream media and various other Obama supporters have been quick to selectively and purposefully focus on the so-called 'birthers' whenever any mention is made of the growing awareness of the fact that the current president continues to conceal virtually the entire paper trail of his existence in a tight shroud of secrecy.

By portraying the birthers as irrational or deranged individuals obsessed with the belief that Barack Obama was born in Kenya or elsewhere outside of the United States, they seek to avoid any emphasis on the astounding unprecedented totality of secrecy that guards practically every original record and document from his past.

In fact, astute observers in corridors of power around the world and other quarters consider that Obama's infamous original typewritten long form birth certificate, the most widely discussed item from his hidden paper trail, is actually the least relevant of all of his concealed records and documents, if in fact it does indeed exist.

They understand that the truths about Obama's place of birth and the identity of both of his parents is far less important to the future of the United States than the facts about what makes him tick and who is pulling his strings, so to speak.

Whether the current president's biological father was the late Kenyan Barack Obama 'Sr.' or the late CPUSA member Frank Marshall Davis or the late 'grandfather' Stanley Armour Dunham (arguably the likeliest candidate - see cashill.com among many other sources) or some other man is much less significant than the truths about his past associations and ideological convictions and behavioral influences and ongoing relationships.

This is the sort of information about their presidential candidates that postwar era American voters had become accustomed to having the mainstream media provide for them, up until 2008 when Barack Obama was given an astonishing free pass from the traditional expectation that such candidates should allow for the release and scrutiny of the substantive body of their personal records and credentials.

Barack Obama was presented in 2008 as a brilliant intellectual with stellar Ivy League credentials whose cool low key style would change the culture of Washington and lead America into a new harmonious postracial era while achieving miracles of bipartisan cooperation.

It has become quite clear how this wishful fantasy has really played out.

There exists a widespread and fast growing international speculation that an objective examination of Barack Obama's hidden paper trail would clearly reveal that his meteoric rise up the educational and career ladders was largely the result of multiple affirmative action decisions and that his vaunted intellectual reputation was greatly exaggerated.

In short, just another leftist ideologue big city machine politician with more than a touch of narcissism and a proven record of self-serving dealmaking.

What is being hidden and why are they hiding it?

Posted by: FlashHarry | February 13, 2011 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama is doing his best to prove that there really is someone less deserving of a Nobel Prize than Al Gore.

Posted by: AristotleTheHun | February 13, 2011 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama is doing his best to prove that there really is someone less deserving of a Nobel Prise than Al Gore.

Posted by: AristotleTheHun | February 13, 2011 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Birthers aren’t crazy. They’re winning.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/02/birthers-arent-crazy-theyre-winning.html

Eleven states are now considering some type of legislation that would plug the hole in federal election procedures that in 2008 allowed Barack Obama to be nominated, elected and inaugurated without providing proof of his qualifications under the U.S. Constitution.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/02/birthers-are-living-rent-free-in-obamas.html

Posted by: AristotleTheHun | February 13, 2011 7:19 PM | Report abuse

The biggest hero on the right today is Allen West, and gee, he's a black man. Doesn't that make the people who claim opposition to Obama is racist seem irrational?

Allen West’s keynote speech for CPAC 2011

Video of entire speech click here:
http://www.therightscoop.com/allen-wests-keynote-speech-for-cpac-2011#

Posted by: AristotleTheHun | February 13, 2011 6:37 PM | Report abuse

It's not up to Boehner to criticize those with sincere question. My guess is that Obama was probably born in Hawaii.

Posted by: 2012frank | February 13, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

The most liberal Senator in America gets elected in the most crooked election in the nation’s history and the lamebrains who support him think he is opposed because of his race. These same halfwits think a phony document posted on the Internet proves this same con man is eligible to hold the highest office in the land.

He is opposed because he is a crooked big city con man with a socialist agenda. Alan Keyes is strongly opposed to Obama. Is he a racist? Is Michael Steele a racist? Is this guy a racist? http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/12/we-were-tricked-in-2008-now-fix.html

Are these women racists? http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/07/is-obama-racist.html
And: http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-obamas-birth-certificate-issue-wont.html

Do you really think AKA Obama would have won the election if all the things he is hiding were made known?

Do you really think AKA Obama will be able to finish his first term if all the things he is hiding are made known?

Why aren’t the polls on the birth certificate issue 100% in favor of AKA Obama practicing the virtue of full disclosure? It makes sense that supporters of AKA Obama would want the issue settled along with everyone else. I guess there is a significant portion of the population who are opposed to releasing the birth certificate because they are afraid of what it will reveal. I would conclude that those opposed to releasing all of Obama’s history are frightened of the truth just like AKA Obama.

If you are not suspicious of a man who hides his history I have a bridge in the desert I want to sell you.

If you are unwilling to call for an investigation of a man who attempts to sell you a bridge in the desert I have some beach front property in Florida at the intersection of I75 and Florida # 29 that I want you to buy.

If you place a down payment on a contract for the bridge in the desert and the beach front property in the swamp I would conclude that you voted for Obama.

Posted by: AristotleTheHun | February 13, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see that the annual "Parade Of Low IQ Right Wing Mouth-Breathers" (CPAC) is over.


What did we see?:


Anger, rage, crazy, tried-and-failed ideas, madness, pretzel-twisted logic, xenophobia, homophobia, immigrant-o-phobia, Islamophobia, isolationism, birtherism, secession and denial, denial, denial. Plus exciting discussions about the groundbreaking new Republican agenda of tax cuts for the rich, annexation of the vagina and...um...did I mention tax cuts for the rich? Oh well.


At least some people will benefit from it.


Namely D.C.'s hookers.


.

Posted by: DrainYou | February 13, 2011 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Boehner's job is not to tell people what to think. Tell me Mr. Speaker, do you tell people what to think about the healthcare act as your twitter seems to suggest?

Posted by: Falling4Ever | February 13, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The extremist Republican parties attempts to repeal health insurance reform (while offering nothing to replace it with and refusing to give up their own taxpayer funded, gov't run health care insurance coverage) would be bad enough. Attempting draconian budget cuts during a halting recovery from a deep recession would be bad enough. Making fools of themselves by wasting time reading selections from the Constitution while doing absolutely nothing to create jobs would be bad enough. Launching a war on women would be bad enough. Whining about deficits while proposing policies that would actually increase them would be bad enough.


The entire Republican approach of knowing nothing and doing nothing, unless it is to attempt a return to the prevailing values of the Thirteenth Century, is so corrupt and irresponsible that it would defy credulity, were we not already so accustomed to it as to take it for granted.


WHERE ARE THE JOBS, BONER ?!?!

.

Posted by: DrainYou | February 13, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"Obama released his Hawaiian birth certificate and had it verified by an independent organization and the results were posted online for everyone to see." Repeating this false propaganda over and over does not make it true. No matter what you might think there is no escaping that AKA Obama is not practicing the virtue of full disclosure.

Which is most likely;

(a) AKA OBAMA is hiding documents that are innocuous?
(b) AKA OBAMA is hiding documents that are damaging?

In 1961, the Public Health Services, U. S Department of Health, Education and Welfare, National Center for Health Statistics, National Vital Statistics Division published the "Vital Statistics of the United States.

Here is a blank copy of the Standard Certificate of Live Birth used by all states including Hawaii., This is the information being hidden by Obama. http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/07/blank-birth-certificate-form-aka-obama.html

Plus read the article that is included with the blank copy.

Here is what a real Hawaiian Birth Certificate looks like:
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/02/obama-faces-fellow-hawaiian-with-real.html

Who Certified AKA Obama as "Natural Born"? http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/11/this-from-obama-file-one-of-best.html

Do you really think AKA Obama would have won the election if all the things he is hiding were made known?

Do you really think AKA Obama will be able to finish his first term if all the things he is hiding are made known?

The only conspiracy is the media and the obots who suppress the revelation of AKA Obama's history
Obama “I have nothing to hide but I’m hiding it.”
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

Posted by: AristotleTheHun | February 13, 2011 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama's half sister Maya Soetoro, born in Jakarta indonesia, HAS A HAWAII CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH !!
Research help, Please

Besides being the First Sister Maya has a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth despite be born in Jakarta Indonesia. Supposedly this certificate was used by the Daily Kos to forge an Obama version. Anyone find it odd that Maya, undisputedly born in Indonesia, would have the same type of document as Barack Obama.

Please watch video linked at bottom of article
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/02/obamas-half-sister-maya-soetoro-born-in.html

Posted by: AristotleTheHun | February 13, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse

“Laws of the Territory of Hawaii ACT 96 To Provide For The Issuance Of Certificates Of Hawaiian Birth was in effect from 1911 until 1972 and allowed someone who was born outside the Hawaiian Islands to be registered as though he were born in Hawaii. Under that law, someone simply would have presented herself to the Hawaiian authorities and declared that the child was born in Hawaii. The person could have sworn under oath and presented witnesses and other evidence. If the authorities accepted it, that was the end of it. All a person had to do was file a false statement and Hawaii took them at their word.

One could not just say "My kid was born in Des Moines but I want him to have a Hawaiian birth record". But if you lied no investigation was conducted to validate your claim and the Hawaiian birth record was issued no questions asked.

Knowledge of this practice was wide spread and there are probably thousands of people who obtained Hawaiian birth records between 1911 and 1972 through the process of affidavits and witnesses rather than hospitals and delivery doctors not the least of these was the president of the first Chinese republic. Sun Yat-sen was born to a peasant family in the village of Cuiheng, China, but he had a Hawaiian birth certificate and was officially a citizen of the United States. The wording on Sun Yat-sen’s Hawaiian birth certificate reveals that at age 18 he “made application for a Certificate of Birth. And that it appears from his affidavit and the evidence submitted by witnesses that he was born in the Hawaiian Islands.” Appears? It also appears that AKA Obama was born in Hawaii. Does the AKA Obama birth certificate on file with the State of Hawaii have language similar to the birth certificate of SunYat-sen?

The only way to know where AKA OBAMA was actually born is to view AKA OBAMA's original birth certificate on file in Hawaii to see what kind of birth certificate it is, and to examine what corroborating evidence supports what it says about AKA OBAMA's alleged place of birth. If the birth was in a hospital, as AKA OBAMA has maintained, such evidence would be the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor who delivered him.”

There is a small textural difference between COLBs issued to those who were born in hospitals with full documentation and those who were given Hawaiian birth status through an affidavit process:

And be sure to see this documented evidence that AKA Obama's COLB is different than other COLBs
AKA Obama COLB Filed But Never Accepted - Click Image For Full View
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/05/aka-obama-colb-filed-but-never-accepted.html

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

Posted by: AristotleTheHun | February 13, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Some Republicans think $2 trillion + $1 trillion = $4 trillion.

Some Republicans think the Sun rises in the west.

Some Republicans think the Internet is a series of tubes.

Boehner "doesn't want to tell people what to think."

John, it's not a question of beliefs, it's an inability to accept provable facts.

Posted by: boscobobb | February 13, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Boehner...avoided criticizing 'birthers' in his own caucus and the general public. "It's not my job to tell the American people what to think, it's my job to listen to the American people."

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Exactly how the right wing echo chamber operates. Accept lies and innuendo against your opponents, keep them alive, and embolden the "real" americans to continue thinking Obama is not a U.S. citizen. Real mature, Boehner.

Posted by: fmamstyle | February 13, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

For commenters who always say the WaPo is liberal all they have to do is see how WaPo takes the Fox approach - "Rep. Lee (D -NY)". Are the writers and editors that supid? Everyone knows he's a Republican. The article was written at 12:13 pm and at 3:12 p.m. it still had not been corrected.

Posted by: rlj611 | February 13, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The GOP knows the numbers are not in their favor, especially with each passing year. They have to hold on to every potential vote, even as the most vocal conservatives yell about kicking out RINOs and anyone with a modicum of sensibility (aka "liberalism"). Thus, while the craziness drives away some moderate voters, the GOP absolutely has to avoid turning away the lunatics and racists. The most fervent can be depended on to show up on election day. Without the crazies and racists, the GOP is toast.

Posted by: hitpoints | February 13, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Contrary to a popular misconception, at the present time there is no requirement for the FBI or CIA or any law enforcement or intelligence entity to conduct any sort of background investigation or security clearance on American presidential candidates.

The only vetting that is done on them is the actual process of a presidential campaign, from primary elections to nominating conventions and on through to November, with public opinion and ballots cast as the ultimate decision making authority.

Once the results of a presidential election are certified by the Electoral College, the matter is a fait accompli.

The continuing concealment of virtually the entire paper trail of the current president's existence, from birth to the White House, continues to be a matter of great concern for an increasing number of Americans of all political persuasions.

In fact, astute observers in corridors of power around the world and other quarters consider that the infamous original typewritten long form birth certificate, the most widely mentioned item from Barack Obama's hidden paper trail, is actually the least relevant of all of his hidden records and documents, if in fact it does indeed exist.

They understand that the truths about Obama's place of birth and the identity of both of his parents is far less important to the future of the United States than the truths about what makes him tick and who is pulling his strings, so to speak.

Whether the current president's biological father was the late Kenyan Barack Obama "Sr." or the late CPUSA member Frank Marshall Davis or the late "grandfather" Stanley Armour Dunham (arguably the likeliest candidate - see cashill.com among many other sources) or some other man is much less significant than the truths about his past associations and ideological convictions and behavioral influences and ongoing relationships.

This is the sort of information about their presidential candidates that postwar modern era American voters had become accustomed to having the mainstream media provide for them, up until 2008 when Barack Obama received an astonishing special exception from the traditional expectation that such candidates should allow for the release and scrutiny of the substantive body of their personal records and credentials.

In their eagerness to "make history" by covering the campaign of the man whom they were clearly interested in helping to become the first black president, the mainstream media failed in their essential national responsibility, namely to report on significant events with thoroughness and impartial objectivity. They ignored their duty to search for the truth and should be regarded with disdain by all people who value information in a free society.

Barack Obama and his handlers were able to hide his past and explain away and minimize his associations with highly controversial individuals and groups during their 2008 campaigns.

What is being hidden and why are they hiding it?

Posted by: FlashHarry | February 13, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Chris Lee, Democrat from NY?

Seriously, WaPo, are you trying to out-fox Fox?

Posted by: hitpoints | February 13, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Can't bite the hand that feeds you.

Posted by: Garak | February 13, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see Republican leaders like Boehner, and even Steven King in Iowa, step forward and correct the unnecessary distractions and prevarications that are circulating about the President, but that would require going against News Corporation, and Clear Channel Communications, as well. Major donors. Why do you think nobody challenges Limbaugh publicly? Or Beck/Hannity/O'Reilly?
I'd like to see some leadership from the GOP, instead of pandering to the fears of the ignorant; but, I also realize that it is the fears of the ignorant that get the GOP elected these days, and therein lies the rub.

Posted by: OldUncleTom | February 13, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Boehner was impressive on MTP.He refused to chastise and demean those who don't believe Obama is a Christian or has a valid birth certificate,in spite of David Gregory's badgering and bullying.He also cut the administration slack on handling the crisis in Egypt.His most meaningful statement..."We're Broke"!!!

Posted by: bowspray | February 13, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Boehner refuses to criticize the birthers because he doesn't want to tell people what to think? Of course he tells Democrats what to think all of the time. The dirty secret is that most Republicans think that the birthers are nuts, but as long as they continue to de-legitimize the President of the United States, then they are the most useful of idiots. Integrity on this issue is not something I think we can expect.

Posted by: wildcat1 | February 13, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Boehner refuses to criticize the birthers because he doesn't want to tell people what to think? Of course he tells Democrats what to think all of the time. The dirty secret is that most Republicans think that the birthers are nuts, but as long as they continue to de-legitimize the President of the United States, then they are the most useful of idiots. Integrity on this issue is not something I think we can expect.

Posted by: wildcat1 | February 13, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Of course Boehner avoids criticizing the Birther's, because to criticize the Birther's and any other Kook in the Republican Party, he would have to criticize the whole Republican Party, in which he is a part of.

All Kooks make up the Republican Party and he can't go around criticizing his own party in which he is a member.

Now can he?

Posted by: lcarter0311 | February 13, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Birthers: White folks who still can't come to terms there is a man of color in the White House!

Birthers News Flash: Jesus, the man you all purportedly worship, was indeed a man of color and not some blond hair blued eyed Aryan like yourself. Jesus was akin to the modern Egyptians. I hope you have been watching Faux News and seen the pictures of the Egyptian protesters. I would guess black hair with an olive completion would accurately describe Jesus....

Posted by: waxtraxs | February 13, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Maybe all republican elected officials from Hawaii can provide THEIR long form birth certificates? Have a single one of THEM managed to provide one? Gee, they must have all been born in China as the children of Satan or whatever the current kook theory is.

Posted by: treefrog2 | February 13, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

A blogger has written "Barack Obama's original typewritten long form birth certificate, school records, SAT and LSAT scores, college and law school admission records and grade transcripts and thesis papers, medical records, passport history, Illinois state senate tenure records, presidential campaign foreign donor lists, complete White House visitor logs and other relevant records and documents have all never been released or allowed to be subjected to any sort of scrutiny, despite several years of repeated requests for disclosure by numerous individuals and non-traditional media organizations."

Requests for someone else's personal records are merely requests. However, no one is under any legal obligation to release such information. Not you nor President Obama. President Obama is still a citizen of the United States and is subject to the laws that pertain. He is neither above nor below the law. You can request to see my personal records all day long and your requests) will be denied. Obama's birth certificate is available for view on several websites. Just Goggle it. I do not need to see Obama's academic records to know that he is a man of achievement. Of course, straight "A's" do not necessarily speak to the character of a person like observing how he walks the talk. Regarding public documents, there are laws that govern such disclosures. If he is not following these laws, then impeach him. Otherwise, shut up.

By law, he must release certain financial statements including his tax returns. I guess the person above who is complaining would willingly publish his tax returns for all to see. Turn the mirror of revelation on yourself before turning it on someone else. My Lord talked about doing unto others and something about a beam in the eye. You get the message.

Posted by: EarlC | February 13, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Boehner's reluctance to criticize the birthers in his party is an act of cowardice. What a leader! And of a major political party! He would be the first to criticize moderate Muslims for not condemning radical Muslims.

The fact that the Democrats did not attack John McCain for not being born in the United States speaks volumes for the integrity of the Democratic Party. Contrived side issues have no place in the public discourse. In John McCain's place, a Supreme Court ruling may have been necessary.

People have no right to slander and libel other people. It is high time that dialogue in our country be elevated to a higher standard than that presented by some. To push incorrect facts as fact is nothing more than propaganda at best and outright lying at worst. If I remember correctly, the Bible speaks directly to bearing false witness. So much for the people who want the Ten Commandments published at every square and in every public building. Too bad that they do not understand that which they push.

Posted by: EarlC | February 13, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

American voters of all political persuasions can recall the Obama 2008 campaign repeatedly promising that their administration would uphold the highest ethical standards with a particular emphasis on transparency.

A vast majority of these voters believe that the process of running for the office of President of the United States should be the toughest public job interview on the planet.

The sad fact remains that the current president, according to longstanding government clearance protocols, could not be hired as a janitor in a federal building with the amount of verifiable personal background information that he has provided.

Barack Obama's original typewritten long form birth certificate, school records, SAT and LSAT scores, college and law school admission records and grade transcripts and thesis papers, medical records, passport history, Illinois state senate tenure records, presidential campaign foreign donor lists, complete White House visitor logs and other relevant records and documents have all never been released or allowed to be subjected to any sort of scrutiny, despite several years of repeated requests for disclosure by numerous individuals and non-traditional media organizations.

The Obama 2008 campaign and subsequent administration have to date spent a considerable sum on legal fees, estimated in the millions of dollars, to fight Freedom of Information Act filings and other requests to examine this material. The powerful international law firm Perkins Coie LLP has been their primary provider of these services.

A computer generated laser printed short form version of a birth certificate that a child could have forged was posted on the Obama 2008 campaign website, but it only served to intensify the filings and requests to see the original typewritten long form document, which has never been released or allowed to be scrutinized, if in fact it does indeed exist.

They also produced a one page letter from a physician attesting that Barack Obama was in excellent health for a man of his age.

This constitutes the complete extent of any release or disclosure of any records or documents from Obama's past.

Virtually the entire paper trail of the current president's existence, from birth to the White House, continues to remain deeply hidden away in a tight shroud of secrecy.

The mainstream media gave Barack Obama an astonishing special exception from the modern era traditional expectation that presidential candidates should allow for the release and scrutiny of the substantive body of their personal records and credentials.

The current president's true origins, past associations, ideological convictions, behavioral influences and ongoing relationships are matters of great concern to a fast growing number of people who just want to know the truth about this man.

What is being hidden and why are they hiding it?

Posted by: FlashHarry | February 13, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

We always see a list of items in the cut list and it is an attempt to cut on Americans jobs and poor Americans assistance.
We never say a word about us Americans paying billions for the maintenance of International Organizations such as the World Bank that have luxurious salaries and benefits, such as one month vacations for their employees and families, payment of tuition in expensive private schools for all their kids and very high retirement benefits for their employees and families. All of it paid by us the American Taxpayers.
The World Bank is the most wasteful of all the other multi-trillion international organizations all of them financed by us the American Taxpayers. I say “Trim our contributions to all those fat cats first”.

Posted by: uzanabria1 | February 13, 2011 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"ON THE OTHER HAND, Boehner declared his willingness to judge his members' behavior, in response to the resignation of Rep. Chris Lee (D-N.Y.)..."

Chris Lee is a Republican.

Posted by: gsross | February 13, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

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