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Posted at 1:45 AM ET, 02/18/2011

House debate on defunding Planned Parenthood stretches on for nearly three hours

By Felicia Sonmez

The debate on funding the federal government transformed into a heated -- and, at times, graphic -- argument over social issues Thursday night as lawmakers took to the House floor for nearly three hours to debate an amendment that would block federal funding of Planned Parenthood.

More than 30 House members, including members of leadership, spoke out on the measure, which was proposed by Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) as an amendment to the resolution on funding the federal government through September.

The Pence amendment would bar Planned Parenthood from receiving any federal funding through programs such as Medicaid and Maternal and Child Health Block Grants. In addition, Planned Parenthood also receives funding through Title X, a $327 million program founded in 1970 that covers family planning and reproductive health. By law, Title X funds can be spent on family planning and contraception but not on abortion services.

The government funding resolution proposed by House Republicans late last week, to which Pence's amendment is attached, would eliminate the entire Title X program.

The debate on the floor Thursday night began with Planned Parenthood but quickly turned into a sparring match over abortion rights, women's rights, the national health care overhaul and even constitutional law.

In his floor remarks, Pence, who opposes abortion rights, seized on videos produced in an undercover sting by an anti-abortion-rights group showing Planned Parenthood employees counseling a couple posing as a pimp and a prostitute.

"As the father of two teenage daughters, there are not words strong enough to portray my contempt of this pattern of apparent fraud and abuse by Planned Parenthood," said Pence, who is weighing a bid for Indiana governor in 2012.

He was followed by several Democratic women who took to the floor, including Reps. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Fla.), Barbara Lee (Calif.) and Louise Slaughter (N.Y.), who argued that federal law already prevents funds from going toward paying for abortions and cast the Pence amendment as a "war against women." Several other Democratic lawmakers criticized the debate over the Pence amendment as a distraction from the House's work on job-creation and bolstering the economy.

At one point, Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) quoted from the Constitution in making his point that the Pence amendment would amount to a "bill of attainder" because it would seek to punish Planned Parenthood for conducting activities that supporters of the measure disapprove of, adding that the amendment would eventually get struck down by the courts.

Several speakers later, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) pushed back against Nadler's "bill of attainder" argument, then launched into a separate argument that the health care law actually does provide for federal funding of abortion, pointing to several obscurely worded clauses.

"That's abortion, folks," Gohmert said, hoisting in the air a copy of the health-care law. "There's funding for it here."

The often-emotional exchanges between lawmakers stretched until just before midnight and came as the House was meeting until the early morning hours for its third consecutive day to finish work on hundreds of amendments to the government funding bill.

At times, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle were greeted by applause from their colleagues. Freshman Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R-Mo.) delivered impassioned remarks on the floor arguing against federal funding of abortion. She was applauded by about a dozen Republican lawmakers, including Pence, who personally thanked her after her remarks.

Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-Mass.), an outspoken abortion-rights opponent, also was welcomed by applause. His, though, came from several of his fellow Democrats who appeared surprised to hear him speak out against the Pence amendment, which Lynch criticized as "counterproductive" and argued would increase the number of abortions in the country.

"I don't have many friends in the Planned Parenthood community. They don't support me. I'm pro-life," Lynch said, adding that he supports the "good work" that the organization does in providing family planning advice.

At another point in the debate, a direct confrontation between two lawmakers led to a personal revelation from one of them.

That exchange came in the final stretch of the debate, when Rep. Chris Smith (R-N.J.) read several lengthy passages from the book "unPLANNED" in which a former Planned Parenthood health center director who is now an anti-abortion-rights activist graphically describes her experience assisting with an ultrasound-guided abortion.

As soon as Smith finished speaking, Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) rose and described herself as "one of those women [Smith] spoke about just now," revealing that she once had to have an abortion 17 weeks into her pregnancy.

"For you to stand on this floor and to suggest as you have that somehow this is a procedure that is either welcomed or done cavalierly or done without any thought is preposterous," Speier said to Smith as the rest of the chamber stood silent.

Among the congressional leaders in the room were House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). Cantor addressed the chamber toward the end of the debate, which wrapped up at 11:47 p.m. Thursday, two hours and 50 minutes after it began.

A vote on the amendment is expected on Friday.

By Felicia Sonmez  | February 18, 2011; 1:45 AM ET
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Comments

The vote goes down tomorrow.
Hopefully men and women will still have access to the very necessary reproductive health services that PP offers.
If I can't decide whether or not my tax dollars go to this ridiculous war in the middle east, then the republican party shouldn't be able to decide whether or not their tax dollars go to reproductive health services.
Also, What ever happen to the separation of church and state?..
Please keep your religious ideals from imposing on my annual exams. Thanks.

Posted by: twood6 | February 24, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Just think of all the babies that will be born now, only to get substandard education and forced to work for less than minimum wage. That is if by the time they can work that there still is a minimum wage...

Posted by: jmlf | February 22, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

To the House Republicans, "traditional family values" means unplanned pregnancies by unwed, under-aged teenagers.

Posted by: labman57 | February 21, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

"At one point, Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) quoted from the Constitution in making his point that the Pence amendment would amount to a "bill of attainder" because it would seek to punish Planned Parenthood for conducting activities that supporters of the measure disapprove of, adding that the amendment would eventually get struck down by the courts."

Sorry Jerry - you're wrong.

"A Bill of Attainder is a legislative act declaring that a person is guilty of a crime and setting punishment without the benefit of a formal trial. The Constitution forbids the federal government (Article I, Section 9, clause 3) and the state governments (Article I, Section 10, clause 1) from passing bills of attainder."

Planned parenthood is not a person and withholding a federal grant is not a punishment, rather it goes to qualification for receiving the grant.


Posted by: Hazmat77 | February 21, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

If this is only "a segment of the Republican Party" why don't those alleged Republicans who aren't far-right reactionaries speak up? Where are their voices when this lunacy (and most other Republican legislation) is going on? When do "they" say "stop!" When do they temper the intemperate? They don't because they're not there, afraid of the far-right's wrath and that of the Tea Party -- a group that's got theirs and is bent on keeping others from having any of it.

Posted by: sbaron11 | February 20, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

pgmichigan wrote: This is simply another attack on women by the Republican party. The Republicans have a history of injecting "abortion" into any bill that they don't want.
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Let me clarify something for you- it is not "the Republican party" it is only a segment of the Republican party doing this. Specifically the far right. It would serve Democrats well to realize that there is more to the Republican party than far right and Tea Party members. You lose out on valuable aid to your causes when you fail to realize that moderates are available with the same views. Just as the far left control Democrats from 2008-2010 there are people within the Republican party trying to pull back power from the far right.

Posted by: Desertdiva1 | February 20, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

This is simply another attack on women by the Republican party. The Republicans have a history of injecting "abortion" into any bill that they don't want. Maybe we could "defund" the kickbacks to big oil companies by saying some of the oil CEO's are using that money for abortions for their girlfriends. And the millions the Republicans want for "advertising" on Nascar is being used for abortions!!!!!! Imagine the outrage. Even though federal money is NOT used for abortions they continue the Republican tactic of: "If you say it often enough that makes it TRUE" If the voters haven't figured out by now the Republican party fights for only the rich, then they have not been paying attention.

Posted by: pgmichigan | February 20, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

You pro-feminists and pro-unionists are really getting boring; just like your, not mine, Marxist, pro-Muslim apologist living in the white house

Posted by: nomobarry | February 20, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse

One of the authors of this piece is Katie Walker. While at Northern Kentucky University (NKU) in 2006

Planned Parenthood has been aggressive in marketing the oft-quoted notion that abortion is only 3 percent of what it does.
Pencils ready? Planned Parenthood arrives at 3 percent by dividing its total number of abortions by its total number of “services.” For 2008, that would be 324,008 divided by 10,940,609.
To illustrate the absurdity of such a statistic, note that if Planned Parenthood hands out 97 condoms, it could count that as 97 “services.” Then it does three abortions and claims that, because it also handed out 97 condoms, abortion is 3 percent of its business. This statistic is specifically designed to lead the American people and the legislators who continue to give government money to Planned Parenthood to believe that a very small portion of Planned Parenthood’s business is abortion-related.


Posted by: takebackamerica1 | February 19, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse

All Plan Parent Hood would have to do is split their services, and keep abortion paid for from private donations. The way their records are set up now it makes it easy for them to use federal funds for abortion. The federal government does not have the right to use taxpayer dollars to kill babies when it deeply offends millions of pro-life taxpayers. No one objects to Plan Parent Hood health services, or family planning.

The recent release of investigative videos give strong indicators that Planned Parent Hood is not any more ethical than ACORN was.

However, Planned Parenthood does not just promote abortions; is also promotes racism.
In 1939, PP founder Margaret Sanger wrote about a plan to, “hire three or more colored ministers, preferably with social-service background, and with engaging personalities . . . “ because, “The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.” From the book, Margaret Sanger Father of Modern Society (page 25).

President Obama supported Partial-Birth Abortion. In the Illinois State Legislature, he voted against funding health care for newborn babies that survived an abortion.

Posted by: takebackamerica1 | February 19, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Rep Pence must realize that if he is successful that he has started down a slippery slope of no return. I have strong convictions about our US govt funding defense projects, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and all foreign aid including to his beloved Israel. So if successful please understand my tax dollars will never fund another bullet or missle, or a dollar sent to Israel. The holy grail causes of the far right will quickly become a target for defunding by millions of moderates and liberals. Oh yes the hard right will quickly learn that your beloved right wing causes will have few very tax dollars to spend. Take those dollars away but prepare for an all out financial war on your own causes.

Posted by: Desertdiva1 | February 19, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

It would seem that if defunding Planned Parenthood is in the mix, then the US Department of State's USAID division also needs to have their budget reduced - after all if we will not support PP funding in the US, why should USAID be allowed to fund it in dozens of countries around the world? CONSISTENCY OF APPLICATION (and subsequent comprehension of effects) is the missing key in most government employee discussions

Posted by: minnepal | February 19, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Ladies, are you sick and tired of having your hard-earned dollars sucked away by government handouts that pay for exclusively male problems? The list goes on and on: prostate and testicular cancer, varicoceles, low testosterone, impotence caused by an unhealthy lifestyle, and a thousand other whiny conditions that I really don't want to know about. The medications prescribed for some of these conditions are not only expensive, they can also lead to lustfulness, Onanism and much, much worse. Do we really want men who can't afford to pay for all their own health care to even consider starting families? As as the Bible tells us, the only reason for a man to have sex is to produce offspring. If he doesn't have a good job and is not married to a woman of child-bearing age, the health of a man's reproductive organs is totally irrelevant.
Defund male reproductive health care NOW!

Posted by: vulfhild | February 18, 2011 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, Republican's could care less about the health of sexually active teen's, educating young people about the trials and tribulations of teen births, birth control, et al.

Do they now expect Bristol Palin to educate and teach them.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | February 18, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Good lord. Can burkas be far behind?

Posted by: notfooledbydistractions1 | February 18, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, of course the Republicans are going after Planned Parenhood. It's another way to for this male dominated Party to regain control over women's lives that they've lost since the 60s. What's so wrong with providing contraception information to women so they don't get pregnant in the first place? The Republicans also want to cut aid to these children after they're born, too. Oh, well. So be it.

Posted by: lyndee1 | February 18, 2011 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I think I used kind of an insensitive analogy in my earlier comment ("If you think PP should not get any funding for other health-care measures because their offices also provide abortions, then you should also be in favor of removing all funding for public libraries because they have some books you don't agree with") How about: "you should be in favor of removing all funding for prisons because some of them perform executions." That might be more accurate.

Posted by: lifeboatb | February 18, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Here's a percentage breakdown of Planned Parenthood's services from 2008, if you were wondering how much non-abortion care they provide. (This is from their own annual report, so you might not believe it, but then I guess you have to disbelieve every company's annual report.)

Contraception 35%
Sexually Transmitted Diseases/Infections (STD/STI) Testing and Treatment 34%
Cancer Screening and Prevention 17%
Other Women’s Health Services 10%
Abortion Services 3%
Other Services 1%

Posted by: lifeboatb | February 18, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Planned Parenthood is wonderful organization that provides affordable health care and family planning services to millions.

Pence and his cronies are going after an easy target. The people who benefit the most from Planned Parenthood--low-income women and students--are statistically among the least likely to vote, and are probably even less likely to vote Republican.

It's all about money and votes. Representatives who vote to defund PP should be ashamed, and the people who voted for them even more so.

Posted by: SunshinyNM | February 18, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

dbw1 says:
"You mean like passing a law that requires people to buy a product like health insurance, whether they need it or not?"

Everyone needs health insurance. You could get hit by a car today, and if you can't pay the hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills that could rack up, the taxpayers will be stuck with it.

The taxpayers are not funding abortions--that's already in Title X wording. If you think PP should not get any funding for other health-care measures because their offices also provide abortions, then you should also be in favor of removing all funding for public libraries because they have some books you don't agree with.

Posted by: lifeboatb | February 18, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"I would rather have babies born in America than importing a second class work class..."

I didn't see a sarcasm tag, so I am assuming this comment was inspired by idiocy and misogyny. F you, I am NOT your baby factory. It is not MY job to provide YOUR workers.

Posted by: MissWairsey | February 18, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

My family has a history of cervical cancer, so I have to be careful to get annual exams. I have to go to Planned Parenthood because it's free for me due to the funding, and because I'm a student and can't afford my own insurance. Please, please don't take away my only access to health care. If congress takes this away from me they'll be responsible for putting my life at risk. I'm pro-choice, but not pro-abortion (yes, there's a difference). I also take advantage of Planned Parenthood's services so I can stay that way.

Posted by: Britters710 | February 18, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Oh good, the budget's all better now. Also, your daughter's preggo. Thanks GOP!

Posted by: joshlct | February 18, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

So title X has nothing to do with abortion; "By law, Title X funds can be spent on family planning and contraception but not on abortion services."
But they debated abortion issues anyway. Tangent! Also teh pimp prostitute staking out Planned Parenthood was a set up by an anti-abortion group. Remember?????
Not seeing what the problem is. Don't take away title x, don't add abortion to it and then everyone's happy and we can MOVE ON.

Posted by: hebe1 | February 18, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

As far as Pence's "research" is concerned, we have Congressmen cheating on their wives so lets de-fund Congress.

As far as Sanger, the feminists had an uphill battle being accused of "free-love", being against God, marriage, morality and the family because women got tired of having 18 kids and having to go to work. They were against God and family because they wanted to leave their children home in day care and receive schooling rather than take them to work in the mill, their kid running a loom at the age of 7, as a moral person might do.

Sanger hooked up with the influential eugenicists (The Life Extension Institute), the men folk that were pillars of the community that advocated the sterilization or sequestering and excluding of genetic undesirables. Which was mostly everyone but their social class and religion. Her eugenic man friend was much older and suffered impotence until the age of 60 when he discovered the view of a woman urinating turned him on.

Life is often stranger than fiction.

Posted by: Beacon2 | February 18, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"Check out Gallup's breakdown of the US political slant. Conservatives out number Liberals by 2 to 1. Even Independents lean more right than left."

Who cares? We live in a REPRESENTATIVE democracy! The government does not hold public referendums on every issue, nor should it.

Btw, federal law already bans federal funding for abortions. How about we demand Washington conduct real business rather than grandstand?

Posted by: sammalone1 | February 18, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

A video of Rep. Jackie Speier's comments should be included in this article. The information contained in the article does not tell the whole story of her "abortion".
Here's the video: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/house_dem_admits_to_abortion_o.html

Posted by: rlj1 | February 18, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

one who reads Washington post and posting fox news talking points.........isn't that a conflict of personal interest or maybe an oxymoron. Wow, maybe one of them is capable of being influenced.

Posted by: bobncar | February 18, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Control Eve! Defund Planned Parenthood! Remove choices for the Godless women! Allow men to take back their right to determine reproductive choices for women!

(just don't throw away the coat hangers because eventually your dalliance on the side is going to be "a little late."

Posted by: Anglo_Rider | February 18, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I hope they defund Planned Parenthood. It's just a phony front for abortion planning.

Posted by: LarryG62 | February 18, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

what do the taliban and the republican party have in common: their lack of respect for women. they both feel that they are property and need to be controled.

Posted by: RalphE2 | February 18, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

kathlenec posted: "Planned Parenthood is the only agency that helps women in particular need."

I too once believed. I donated generously to them for years.

Until I read the story of Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger - a eugenist.

Read also The New York Times 07132009 interview with Supreme Court Justice Ruth "Buzzi" Ginsburg "Frankly, I had thought at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of."

In liberal free-condoms, early sex education-friendly New York City.. 41% of pregnancies end in abortion - 60% for minorities.

Planned Parenthood in 2008 reported high-profit abortions up over 300,000+, low-margin adoption referrals down to less than 3000. A 100 to 1 kill ratio !! despite a half-million couples eagerly awaiting to adopt a child.

The murderous LEGAL abortionist Gosnell in Philedelphia ? made at least $1.8M a year...

Abortion is a HUGE for-profit industry that denies life to a million wanted innocent children a year.

Posted by: pvilso24 | February 18, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Planned Parenthood deserves no taxpayer subsidies whatsoever. No constitutional purpose is served by such funding.

Posted by: jjlc125 | February 18, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

laney619 - Please don't confuse my argument with a religious agenda. I am for smaller government and PP is one area the government should not be in. That includes religious activities and NPR and many other things. If you want to look at poll numbers. Check out Gallup's breakdown of the US political slant. Conservatives out number Liberals by 2 to 1. Even Independents lean more right than left.

Posted by: cujo2 | February 18, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

It's all fine and good to shout "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!" but facts are facts. Which I know people love to ignore, but I'll keep saying them anyway.

FOR EVERY DOLLAR SPENT ON FAMILY PLANNING WE END UP SAVING $4 IN MEDICAID COSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And hello, people. Women who go to PP are practicing personal responsibility. They're getting birth control, cancer screenings, pap smears. They're taking care of their health.

This is exactly the kind of SMART spending that we should continue. For 60% of the women who receive services under title X, it is their ONLY access to primary healthcare, ie ANY kind of healthcare.

So please, cut it. Can't wait to spend 4x more than we needed to in the future!

Posted by: laney619 | February 18, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Imagine that PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY (or lack of it) is NOT the RESPONSIBILITY of the TAXPAYER. Nanny Gov't has run outa money!!!

Posted by: NeoConVeteran | February 18, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Rep. Lynch has bought into the lie that somehow contraception decreases the incidence of abortion, when the facts show exactly the opposite. Contraception and abortion are two peas in the same pod. Planned Parenthood is a reprehensible organization and, as a taxpayer, I am appalled that my dollars fund its activities, which I consider evil. May God richly bless Rep. Pence. America needs more leaders like Mike Pence.

Posted by: eddie_the_k | February 18, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Women of child-bearing age who continue to support the Republican Party are by definition insane.

Posted by: Observer691 | February 18, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Oh, really? Most people feel that way, hm? I'd like to see your poll numbers on that.

Independents voted Republican in the last election because of the economy and jobs, NOT so they can push their religious agenda.

Posted by: laney619 | February 18, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Ok then do not complain when your little Faith based programs get cut.

I do not want my tax payer money going to any program that does not support my morals.

Let’s start with any Catholic programs. I am not a Catholic so cut the programs.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | February 18, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Hey Laney 619, I agree with you on the religious organization thing too. The thing you are missing is that most people in this country are against taxpayer funding of PP. We the People said that in the polls last November.

Posted by: cujo2 | February 18, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Cujo, you are aware that the National MS Society gets funding from the federal government too, right?

Posted by: laney619 | February 18, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Not with my tax money. Defund now!

Posted by: IamWright | February 18, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

WOW. I just keep refreshing the page to see the next nutty, uninformed comment to pop up.

Greatgran - What part of only 3% of PP's services are abortions don't you understand? Do you honestly think that they're raking in the dough by maniacally performing unwanted abortions?

I have volunteered at a PP. No one there pushes abortions on anyone. They simply inform you as to your options, and if you want to go forward with it, then they give you an abortion.

You know who does try and push their agenda on these women? The crazies (usually elderly men) who protest outside, yelling and scaring the people who go into the building. The majority of the women are just going for pap smears or birth control, but they get screamed at by these obsessive protesters who think they know best.

Posted by: laney619 | February 18, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Why is government always the answer to every problem for you liberals. Why don't you get off your duff and raise some money for PP yourself. I do it for Multiple Sclerosis and that is a much better cause than PP.

Posted by: cujo2 | February 18, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

My mother helped start a Planned Parenthood Agency in our community. She would turn over in her grave if she knew what this evil cheesy organization has become. It was originally created to help and inform not to murder little lives. This has become a money making key to abortionists. This has become a money making corporation to for the slaughter of innocents. My mom would be so disgusted. This was not the originally intent of this agency. Cut the funding now.

Posted by: greatgran1 | February 18, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Cujo - I don't support religious organizations getting millions for pushing abstinence-only programs in public schools.

I object to using my money to for something I find stupid and unrealistic. If you want to donate to it then do it yourself.

The only problem? Not everyone sees things the same way I do. Just because I disagree with someone doesn't meant it should be de-funded. Neither you nor I get to dictate exactly how all the money is spent.

Posted by: laney619 | February 18, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Abortionists like to say: If you don't like abortions, don't have one!

to which I reply: Why do you make me pay for them then?

Posted by: pgr88 | February 18, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

They are not doing away with Planned Parenthood, they are taking away taxpayer money from it. I object to using my money to perform an act I consider morally reprehensible. If you want to support Planned Parenthood then donate your money to it and deduct it from your taxes. Do not force me to donate to it through taxes.

Posted by: cujo2 | February 18, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Yes, what we need is unrestrained reproduction. That's the ticket. Apparently those who oppose birth control see no problem with a burgeoning population. Such things as increasing unemployment, increasing demands on the education and health care systems, etc. don't bother them. They are blind to the impact of increasing populations on limited resources. Going beyond the proximate causes for such ills as astronomically rising prices for food, energy sources, etc. one finds that it is the skyrocketing global population that is the root cause. One has to view sadly the increasing demands from the under or un developed nations for a bigger slice of the pie. The fact is that the pie isn’t getting any larger which means the slices will have to get thinner and thinner, eventually becoming paper thin. The scary reality for Americans and Western Europeans is that their standard of living will fluctuate in inverse proportion to that of the rest of the world. The potential for seeing a titanic decline in housing, diet and other staple needs is that China and India aren’t the poorest of nations; for much of the world, these are desirable countries to emigrate to. We need to quit listening to the witchdoctors and spiritualists and become rational. Life is not a Disney movie. We are way beyond the maximum sustainable population level if we expect to eradicate hunger and poverty. The ground work is being laid for the next global war, which will be fought over bread and oil, not over ones name for God or over ones method of worshipping. God does not manage the affairs of the world or counsel those who do. We need to take control of our destiny, using reason and not praying for deliverance. Malthus was correct, it is just that his predictions have to be adjusted in light of advances in technology that he didn’t envision. Science hasn’t eliminated the great dying out; it ahs only delayed it.

Posted by: csintala79 | February 18, 2011 10:50 AM | Report abuse

LulingRanchers - The government funds plenty of private organizations. It funds plenty or organizations that I disagree with. You're not going to like the way the government spends money 100% of the time. Deal with it.

Posted by: laney619 | February 18, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Good lord, people.

PP provides a ton of services to people who otherwise could not afford them, including birth control. For every $1 spent on PP, we save $4 in future spending. So you could either spend a little now, or a lot more later.

In addition - dbw you're ridiculous. PP does not spend half of its budget on abortions. Only 3% of the services they provide are abortion services.

It amazes me, truly, that people just shout BABY KILLER! and DEFUND!! based on no facts, just emotion. It's sad that Americans shun pragmatism and knowledge in favor or idiocy.

I know that some men think anything they don't use or need is a waste of time, but women make up half of this country - like it or not. Just because you don't need to worry about birth control and family planning doesn't mean that WE don't.

Posted by: laney619 | February 18, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

good morning,

We prohibit our Federal Government, through the Hyde Amendment, from using our tax revenues to pay for abortions. Why then allow our Federal Government to fund a private organization which in turn funds abortions with our tax money?

take care

Posted by: LulingRanchers | February 18, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

kathlenec:
"Planned Parenthood is the only agency that helps women in particular need..."

This is false; quite false. Not that I would expect anything less from a leftist...

Many non-profit clinics and counseling services not named Planned Parenthood exist in nearly every city and town (including mine), and they offer counseling and financial assistance to women of all races, ages, and incomes.

But alas, the ones I'm referring tend to be funded by churches and private individuals, not the government, and frequently convince these young girls to give their unborn child a chance to live and be adopted. So these clinics unfortunatley don't fit the libera-preferred template since they don't kill enough babies.

Posted by: dbw1 | February 18, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I once thought Plannd Parenthood was a good service... a charity focused on helping women. I donated to them. No longer.

In liberal free-condoms, early sex education-friendly New York City.. 41% of pregnancies end in abortion - 60% for minorities. Eugenicist founder of Planned Parenthood Margaret Sanger would be proud.

Planned Parenthood in 2008 reported high-profit abortions up over 300,000+, low-margin adoption referrals down to less than 3000. Think a 100 to 1 kill ratio !!

The murderous LEGAL abortionist Gosnell in Philedelphia ? made at least $1.8M a year...

The Abortion Business is very profitable !

Time to defund.

Posted by: pvilso24 | February 18, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

DEFUND NOW!!

Posted by: MRGB | February 18, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

i have no problems with blacks getting abortions. I'd pay to have them aborted every week! Bro choice!

Posted by: afrosheen | February 18, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

While they're at it, the House should defund Abstinence Only Sex Education. Clearly the program doesn't work and we're simply throwing good money after bad.

Ooops, I forgot: this isn't about what works or doesn't work. It's about promoting your ideological agenda.

Posted by: dastubbs | February 18, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse

planned parenthood funded by the govt,tells one there are irresponsible,dont care stupid people out there.

Posted by: pofinpa | February 18, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are sick and their followers are blind. Go ahead idiots defund, attack unions, healthcare and workers rights, get rid of Appellate courts and defund helping people get lawyers if they cant afford one. The results are very simple to imagine if it happens:

1) Unions were the ones who fought for workers rights such as getting paid for OT and everything else. So go ahead idiots attack those who helped you avoid being taken advantage of. Your kids will truly love you for protecting their future, especially when they are working more hours and not getting paid for it. Go ahead attack and defund OSHA also, workers safety, who needs that. Until a family member dies from lack of an escape route in a building or dies in a safety mine due to lack of proper equipment..

2) Go ahead attack healthcare and if unfortunately you get sick, all of sudden you have pre -ext condition and cant get healthcare. Your kids will love to live in shelter b/c you lost everything b/c you cant afford the treatment. Yes go ahead idiots, attack healthcare. Yes, let the morons in Washington DC get life time healthcare on your dime and deny you the HC you need, like Duh, idiots.

3) Who needs an appeals court anyway. Its not a District attorney ever been corrupt or hidden evidence. Its not like someone ever spent half of their lives in prison due to District attorney or prosecutor ever lied to advance their career, nah that doesn't happen. Lets see, the Duke lacrosse players, the prosecutor never lied or hid evidence. Go ahead idiots follow the repubs right over the edge.

4) Free lawyers..Hey if you cant afford one, too bad. Its not like Prosecutors ever lie. Defend yourself. Go ahead's idiots follow the repubs mantra, they will be there for you in the end...idiots...

Yes fight against your needs and your own safety net due to ideology, BRAVO!!!!!

Posted by: Realistic5 | February 18, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Why can't the Christians just mind their own business. No One should be forced to have a child- for any reason. Planned Parenthood PREVENTS abortions by creating access to affordable birth control. Anyone who's against abortion should surely be in favor of that.

Posted by: atrevista | February 18, 2011 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Planned Parenthood is the only agency that helps women in particular need. They advise mostly middle, lower class as "others" can afford whatever help they need.
Once again, the republicans are trying to take away the rights of women to choose, deny aid to those in desperate need and push their hypocritical beliefs down the throats of all Americans.
How can they claim to be so pure when they constantly lie, exaggerate,promote fear, anger, put theirselves over the survival of our coountry??

Posted by: kathlenec | February 18, 2011 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Let the Republicans keep it up. Everywhere one looks the Republican extremists are destroying the party and alienating big blocks of voters. From Wisconsin, the outright attack on labor rather than negotiate. FL is wanting to essentially gut unemployment by restrict eligibility and cutting duration down to 12 weeks. In Missouri, a legislator trying to kill child labor laws. Republicans all over killing rail construction. The list goes on. The Republicans are showing it not about jobs but taking America back to the dark ages.

Posted by: chucko2 | February 18, 2011 9:25 AM | Report abuse

rocketman5:
"The wars in afghanistan and iraq have killed more people than abortions."

Do liberals even care about facts? Depending on who you believe, the deaths from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are somewhere between 200,000 and 1 million, starting from the first invasion until today.

That total is still less than the 1.3M deaths EACH year from abortion. Put another way, there have been 10M-11M deaths from abortion over the same time period of the Iraq/Afghanistan wars that caused, at most, 1 M deaths (and that's using numbers from liberal anti-war honks).

Posted by: dbw1 | February 18, 2011 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Once again the GOP attacks something that helps women with health issues. Why does the GOP hate America's women? Don't they have wives, mothers, or daughters. The Daddy party rolls on.

Posted by: jckdoors | February 18, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

"By law, Title X funds can be spent on family planning and contraception but not on abortion services."

This is a farce, and I'll demonstrate why. Suppose a PP office had a $1 million dollar budget before federal funds ever came along. They would spend $500k performing abortions, and the other $500k providing family planning and contraception services.

Then, the federal government comes along with Title X and gives the PP office an extra $500k/yr, and they tell PP (with a wink-wink) they it can't be spent on abortion. So what happens?

The PP office can simply change the books to show the $500k federal grant under Title X as funding the $500k of family planning/contraception (that they were already doing), and then they shift the $500k of their own funds they had been using for those non-abortion services over to providing abortions (perhaps hiring another doctor or two, expanding the office, etc).

So after receipt of the Title X grant, the PP office is now spending $1.5M/yr instead of $1M. They are also now spending $1M/yr providing abortions instead of $500k. But their books will show that the $500k they are getting under Title X is only funding the family planning services.

So it's a complete lie when Democrats try to claim that these federal laws don't increase funds for abortions. You don't have to be an accountant to figure out how it's done.

Posted by: dbw1 | February 18, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

The wars in afghanistan and iraq have killed more people than abortions. how about defunding them?

Posted by: rocketman5 | February 18, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

How will defunding PP create jobs, Mr. Pence? More ideology from the party of no ideas. You guys are worse than the ayatollahs in Iran trying to enforce your version of morals on the rest of us.

Don't want an abortion? Your choice. Don't want to talk to Planned Parenthood? Then don't go, your choice. Don't want to believe in God? Well, at least we still have a choice on that last one, right Mr. Pence and the GOP?

Posted by: ScottChallenger | February 18, 2011 8:58 AM | Report abuse

lifelongdemocrat:
"Seems [Republicans] are addicted to trying to tell average Americans what they can and cannot do with their lives."

You mean like passing a law that requires people to buy a product like health insurance, whether they need it or not?

Posted by: dbw1 | February 18, 2011 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Republicans Do NOT Care about ABORTION what they want is to Remove Abortion Medical Services and Insurance Income tax Deductions.

It's to Raise Income Taxes on Women hidden under the shield of Abortion. Removing Deductibles from Income Tax is a Tax Increase. It's like Bush's tax policy; Cut Funding to a program and increase "User Fees." What you Take away; Replace with something else.

Posted by: ddoiron1 | February 18, 2011 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Why debate it. Defund it and NPR. Tax payers should have to fund abortions. (Please, don't try to pull any accounting tricks, we know where the money really goes.)
Posted by: richard36
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Yeah; pass another Unconstitutional Bill of Attainder like the Defund ACORN Act the courts overturned.

For all the Faux News BS over NPR they do not receive any Federal Funds Directly from the government; Any attempt to defund them saves NOT ONE penny.

Posted by: ddoiron1 | February 18, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

The Dems should tie Planned Parenthood funding--along with funding of PBS--to farm welfare. The right will NEVER vote to cut farm welfare entitlements.

Posted by: Garak | February 18, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Why debate it. Defund it and NPR. Tax payers should have to fund abortions. (Please, don't try to pull any accounting tricks, we know where the money really goes.)

Posted by: richard36 | February 18, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

"This is an assault on women. Republicans have continued to lie to get elected and then abandon their campaign promises. Where are the jobs you ask? They have no intention to spend one minute on jobs because that was never their intention. It’s lie your way to office and never look back.
Posted by: rectifyitnow | February 18, 2011 7:44 AM | Report abuse "

the dems kept control of the senate and the whitehouse...
so if you want jobs...
ask them...
you don't really think they were going to pass any bill the house put out...
even if it created jobs...

Posted by: DwightCollins | February 18, 2011 7:51 AM | Report abuse

I would rather have babies born in America than importing a second class work class...

Posted by: DwightCollins | February 18, 2011 7:48 AM | Report abuse

This is an assault on women. Republicans have continued to lie to get elected and then abandon their campaign promises. Where are the jobs you ask? They have no intention to spend one minute on jobs because that was never their intention. It’s lie your way to office and never look back.

Posted by: rectifyitnow | February 18, 2011 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Gosh, I thought the GOP was interested in lowering the deficit and creating jobs, jobs, jobs. Nope, their channeling Ronnie Reagan, the guy who got them into bed with the religious right. Seems they are addicted to trying to tell average Americans what they can and cannot do with their lives. That Title X funding already bans funding of abortions means their effort to defund other Planned Parenthood counseling services will create more unplanned pregnancies. Where's the GOP plan that will care for the thousands of unwanted babies brought to term?

Posted by: lifelongdemocrat | February 18, 2011 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Planned Parenthood is ready and willing to help pimps get abortions for their underage sex slaves. Maybe, just maybe, we should consider not funding them.

Posted by: jy151310 | February 18, 2011 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Now you know the GOP agenda, tax breaks for the rich and wealthy, removed funding from social programs, put abortion front and center for 2012 to make it religious, cut services, and lose jobs, more jobs.

You voted them in and now you get reap the benefit, no jobs, no choices, and no future, unless you make over $250,000/year minimum net.

Posted by: patmatthews | February 18, 2011 5:53 AM | Report abuse

This is what the voters of America asked for and this is exactly what we deserve. These guys don't have any pending legislation that even pretends to create jobs. Expect two years of more pointless debate regarding pointless issues that will never make it past the Senate. If Dems had a pair and/or imagination they would have sent a fake pimp and prostitute to CPAC.

Posted by: TUCK117 | February 18, 2011 4:29 AM | Report abuse

This is what the voters of America asked for and this is exactly what we deserve. These guys don't have any pending legislation that even pretends to create jobs. Expect two years of more pointless debate regarding pointless issues that will never make it past the Senate. If Dems had a pair and/or imagination they would have sent a fake pimp and prostitute to CPAC.

Posted by: TUCK117 | February 18, 2011 4:28 AM | Report abuse

This is what the voters of America asked for and this is exactly what we deserve. These guys don't have any pending legislation that even pretends to create jobs. Expect two years of more pointless debate regarding pointless issues that will never make it past the Senate. If Dems had a pair and/or imagination they would have sent a fake pimp and prostitute to CPAC.

Posted by: TUCK117 | February 18, 2011 4:28 AM | Report abuse


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