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Posted at 4:45 PM ET, 02/15/2011

House Republicans announce they'll include entitlement reform in 2012 budget

By Felicia Sonmez

Updated: 4:45 p.m.

House Republican leaders announced Tuesday that their federal budget for the 2012 fiscal year will include an effort to reform entitlement programs including Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

The move came a day after two top Republicans had informally suggested that entitlement reform would be a part of their party's budget proposal, which is expected to come in April.

In their statement, House Speaker John Boehner (Ohio), Majority Leader Eric Cantor (Va.), Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), House Republican Conference Chairman Jeb Hensarling (Texas) and House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (Wis.) charged that the budget proposed by President Obama on Monday "punts on entitlement reform and actually makes matters worse by spending too much, taxing too much, and borrowing too much -- stifling job growth today and threatening our economic future.

"The President says that he wants to win the future, but we can't win the future by repeating the mistakes of the past or putting off our responsibilities in the present," the Republican leaders said in their statement. "Our budget will lead where the President has failed, and it will include real entitlement reforms so that we can have a conversation with the American people about the challenges we face and the need to chart a new path to prosperity."

Members of both political parties as well as the White House have acknowledged the need to reform federal entitlement programs, which regularly make up one of the largest chunks of federal spending. But efforts to restructure such programs can prove politically perilous as voters, especially seniors, worry that their federal benefits may be put at risk. Earlier Tuesday, House Democratic leaders reiterated Obama's statement that there must be a "bipartisan solution" to the issue but declined to offer any specifics on a timeline.

Senate Democrats on Tuesday sought to tie the GOP move to Ryan's controversial "Roadmap for America's Future," charging that "the House Republicans' idea of entitlement reform will be privatizing Social Security and turning Medicare into a voucher system" and vowing that "any such plans will be dead on arrival in the Senate."

But House Republicans made no mention of Ryan's "Roadmap" in their statement Tuesday, and they emphasized that their proposed reforms "will focus both on saving these programs for current and future generations of Americans and on getting our debt under control and our economy growing."

"By taking critical steps forward now, we can fulfill the mission of health and retirement security for all Americans without making changes for those in or near retirement," they added.

By Felicia Sonmez  | February 15, 2011; 4:45 PM ET
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ALL wages should have Social Security taxes with held, along with Medicare! This should be done pre-tax, so no one pays taxes on money paid into SS or Medicare. Extra money should be put into account to draw interest! Once this is done, there will be no Social Security problems, that simple. Lets do it, and get on to solving other problems!

Posted by: paul2005 | February 17, 2011 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Republican..Democrat, Independent..I could care less. I'm concerned about the work ethic in this country. Why do so many people believe they are "entitled" ..I want it now...to heck with working for what I need.."the Government will take care of me." It is unbelievable the fraud and abuse that exists in food stamps, and the Medicare program. Yet, for those of us who have worked or gone to school most of our adult lives, the Government seems to always be looking for ways to take what we have worked for and actually paid into the system..Social Security, etc. Slowly but surely they are succeeding.. It is past time for Entitlement Reform.

Posted by: JoyceTodd | February 16, 2011 11:45 PM | Report abuse

John Boehner (JB) is a liar about so many things and the most recent is his lie about 200,000 federal jobs. JB is entitled to his own opinion but he is NOT entitled to his own facts. The fact is that only 58k federal jobs have been added under president Obama which is also said to be the lowest amount in years. JB and his hypocritical posse (Republicans) either does NOT understand "ENTITLEMENTS" or they do NOT care about how their mis-handling will affect too many Americans. Social Security is NOT part of the deficit and it has funds now through the 2031 or so. JB is trying in every way he can to insult the American people he claims to be representing, yeah right. I would rather have him on a bear's side if I am fighting with the bear - JB is too untrustworthy to even have the title as Speaker. JB is the clown of his circus of Republicans who are NOT working for the middle class and low income families. I watched our budget director Jacob "Jack" Lew at the budget hearing with the so-called chairman Paul Ryan. It was a pleasure to see JACK put Ryan and all the other hypocritical know nothing Republicans in their place and JACK Lew did it with such humbleness. America we are blessed to have JACK as our budget director. To give you some background on Jack, he worked for the Clinton administration which handed the Republicans BUSH/SHooter (Cheney) a surplus said to amount to $230 billion dollar. When Jack Lew was asked how he felt about the Bush deficit, he said "it broke my heart because it did NOT have to occur". So please Americans let's send the liar Boehner and his hypocritical Republicans back to the minority position where they cannot continue to hurt middle and low income families. JB and Ryan - who was totally floored by Jack Lew's knowledge and skills - are trying to cut deep and hard for programs that will only affect middle and low income families. The Republicans are budgeting increased subsidies to the OIL COMPANIES with tax cuts for corporations that are outsourcing jobs from the USA. American please if you have NOT listened to C-Span, please start so you can hear how hard they Republicans are working for their wealthiest people and companies. No one cuts deep in such a fragile economy that is just now beginning to come back. JB is trying to cut deep in their budget on firemen, policemen, headstart for kids, Pell grants, heating assistance for seniors and low income folks, the infrastructure which has big job potential. JB and his hypocrits must be stopped by emailing and/or calling (202-225-6205) John BOehner. The budget JACK Lew and president Obama so skillfull prepared is the 1st step and it does include a savings for Medicare. JB and his posse are haters of our president and could careless about middle and low income families. JB WHERE ARE THE JOBS? We must watch for the final news on JB's alledged affairs. If they prove true then we must let him know we demand he RESIGN. God bless the USA and our continued positive progress

Posted by: netstoy | February 16, 2011 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Reform should start with the Tax Code. Shut the loop holes that cause Corporations to evade tax. Institute a progressive tax in such a way that the more you earn the more you contribute to the Treasury. Reduce the salaries of all members of the Congress. Cease the war in Afghanistan and pull out all troops from Iraq. Examine Foreign aid and remember that charity begins at home. Boehner and his cohorts should read Revelation 3:17 and the Blue Dogs should read Revelation 3:16.

Posted by: fasm7700 | February 16, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

SHARED SACRIFICE should be the motto of the day. Reform the Income Tax code so that ALL Americans pay their FAIR SHARE for funding the government

Posted by: nmauriello | February 16, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Social Security does not add one dime to the debt and currently has 2.5 trillion in the trust. When the GOP says they want to reform it that means they want to raid it like they did under Bush.
Any GOP member who says that Social Security needs reforming is outright lying.

Posted by: sumo1 | February 16, 2011 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Entitlements do need to be reformed. I just don't trust the GOP to do it. This is the same party that has been crying about socialism which means in my mind they don't necessarilly want to reform social programs, such as social security, they want to gut them.

The GOP is the same party that refuses to:
1. even think about raising taxes from their historical lows of today in order to help fund the government. Even though their saint Ronald Regean raised taxes throughout his tenure their backside gets tighter than a boa constrictors squeeze when they hear the words "raise taxes".
It has to be done eventually. The longer we delay the greater the shock will be once that moment comes. I don't understand why there isn't a sensible raising and lowering of taxes as the nation's economic situation and fortunes dictates it but oh well.

2. Consider significantly slashing the hugely bloated unaccountable defense and military budgets. I don't think they recognize the law of diminishing returns but I wholely believe that's the case when it comes to the military budget. There is only so much money you can throw at anything before you end up basically throwing it down a black hole. And from what I've read about the military not able to audit or account for vast amounts of their spending black hole is as good a word to desribe the situation as any.

Posted by: 6thsense79 | February 16, 2011 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Entitlements do need to be reformed. I just don't trust the GOP to do it. This is the same party that has been crying about socialism which means in my mind they don't necessarilly want to reform social programs, such as social security, they want to gut them.

The GOP is the same party that refuses to:
1. even think about raising taxes from their historical lows of today in order to help fund the government. Even though their saint Ronald Regean raised taxes throughout his tenure their backside gets tighter than a boa constrictors squeeze when they hear the words "raise taxes".
It has to be done eventually. The longer we delay the greater the shock will be once that moment comes. I don't understand why there isn't a sensible raising and lowering of taxes as the nation's economic situation and fortunes dictates it but oh well.

2. Consider significantly slashing the hugely bloated unaccountable defense and military budgets. I don't think they recognize the law of diminishing returns but I wholely believe that's the case when it comes to the military budget. There is only so much money you can throw at anything before you end up basically throwing it down a black hole. And from what I've read about the military not able to audit or account for vast amounts of their spending black hole is as good a word to desribe the situation as any.

Posted by: 6thsense79 | February 16, 2011 6:30 AM | Report abuse

The Republican Party's big lie continues.

Social Security is NOT, let me repeat, Not a federal government entitlement program.

Social Security is fully funded by employers and employees in the form of payroll deductions from employees and matching amounts from employers. The money is then placed in a general fund that earns interest.

The program does not receive one cent of federal funds.

The government only administers it.

Republicans continue telling this Big Lie because they, the Party of Big Business, have been instructed to find a way to privatize Social Security.

If this were done corporations would no longer be required to contribute its matching funds: a windfall return of 7% of its payroll obligations - which, if the Republicans had had their way in 2010 would have amounted to 1.4 trillion dollars extra profit for that year.

The rest of the Republican plan of privatization is to have workers invest their 7% Social Security payroll deduction in Wall Street funds.

After the Wall Street casino speculators finished with them, the workers pockets would be empty and the Wall Street hustlers would once again be laughing all the way to their banks.

Experience of recent history has taught us that one and all should heed the warning "All Hope Abandon Ye Who Enter Here" when hearing a Republican proposal.

Posted by: apspa1 | February 15, 2011 6:18 PM | Report abuse

============================================
May want to check on the truth thing a bit.

Social security fully funded/earns interest--Nope. Social security pays current beneficiaries, pays current spending, the amount in the Trust Fund is actually a liability owed by the government to social security beneficiaries that must be paid in the future. There are no real assets (Head of the OMB good enough source--under Clinton a better one?)

Program doesn't receive federal funds--Nope. Starts receiving funds this year and will progressively receive more funds (Trustees of SOcial Security report good enough for you?)

Government only administers in--NOpe, except for the surplus it spends every year (Social security law good enough for you?)

Corporations give matching funds--Nice fiction--Actually the money is taken from moneys that would otherwise be paid to employees...Compare self-employed workers for reality.

Wall Street speculators--As compared to the government speculators who return about 2% interest to beneficiaries per year. The money in social security trust funds is not owned by the individual and an individual has no right to the money (Supreme Court--FLeming v NEstor). A well balanced investment program of general index funds, decreasing risk with increasing age, will get you about 6%, and it will be your money you can give to your beneficiaries if you die at 50. Let's see, Social Security at 2% versus Wall street, where you own the money at 6%. Social Security is a better deal...Right.

No change?--Crash in 2037 per CBO...

Posted by: PALADIN7E | February 16, 2011 5:52 AM | Report abuse

If it takes some entitlement reform to tackle the nation's economic problems, then so be it. For example, Social Security could be means tested for those with very high incomes. The retirement age could be raised for those still years away from retirement. Medicare, likewise, could be limited.

Of course, certain of our current expenditures could be trimmed. do we really need two wars in the Middle East? What about all the corporate tax breaks? What about the farm subsidies?

If the political parties were to actually work together, meaningful reform would be possible. Otherwise, I wouldn't be too hopeful.

Posted by: John991 | February 16, 2011 5:08 AM | Report abuse

If it takes some entitlement reform to tackle the nation's economic problems, then so be it. For example, Social Security could be means tested for those with very high incomes. The retirement age could be raised for those still years away from retirement. Medicare, likewise, could be limited.

Of course, certain of our current expenditures could be trimmed. do we really need two wars in the Middle East? What about all the corporate tax breaks? What about the farm subsidies?

If the political parties were to actually work together, meaningful reform would be possible. Otherwise, I wouldn't be too hopeful.

Posted by: John991 | February 16, 2011 5:08 AM | Report abuse

HUD should be eliminated!

Posted by: priveye | February 16, 2011 5:03 AM | Report abuse

Cutting Social Security while funding unnecessary wars for Israel, and continuing to ship billions of dollars to Israel, will not stand. Republicans need to decide if they are Americans or Israelis.

Posted by: usnr02 | February 16, 2011 3:37 AM | Report abuse

The GOP told us that extending the Bush Tax Cuts to the VERY RICH would generate jobs. Where are the jobs?

Posted by: paris1969 | February 16, 2011 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Real entitlement reform will occur only when we end the idea that a person is entitled to something simply because he doesn't have it. Today in America, if I choose not to work, I am entitled to welfare, free housing, free medical care, etc. This deeply flawed concept is antithetical to a functional society. Now we've extended this idea to corporations. The recent bank, GM, and Fannie Mae bailouts are good examples of this. No good can come from rewarding bad behavior. It only encourages more bad behavior whether it be from individuals or from corporations. If the government wants to reward behavior, let it at least reward good behavior. Then maybe we can build towards a better society.

Posted by: concernedcitizen3 | February 16, 2011 12:31 AM | Report abuse

To those in congress who want to grab the third rail thinking "hey this isn't so bad, after all it's bipartisan!" Retirees will electrocute you in 2012!

Posted by: sunrise2 | February 16, 2011 12:23 AM | Report abuse

What about entitlements to corporations? Those would cut the budget by trillions.

Posted by: camera_eye_11 | February 16, 2011 12:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm getting the feeling both public and private retirement plans are a big Wall Street and Government sham.

Convicted criminal (and staunch Baptist and Republican) Bernie Ebbers stole hundreds of thousands dollars in my MCI 401K after he bought that company and was later convicted of cooking the books at WorldCom.

Now, yet-to-be convicted criminal politicians want to steal my SS retirement as well.

The GoP needs to remind itself that baby-boomers is a huge voting block and not all of us watch Fox News.

Posted by: areyousaying | February 15, 2011 11:16 PM | Report abuse

As far as "privatizing Social Security" or letting individuals invest their SS. It is NOT your money to invest. It is the system's money. This is just another ploy by the republican's to try and take some more money from the people who will need their Social Security when they retire.

Posted by: paul2005 | February 15, 2011 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Look, this isn't all that hard a problem.

All we have to do is cut off all Medicare funding for two year. When we do that, the health care infrastructure will go bankrupt, the death rate will soar, and the health care system will be much more manageable, after the first million or so deaths.

The Republicans are trying to sugar coat it a little, but their approach is to dismantle the publicly administered insurance programs, and to turn all those funds over to private concerns. The strategy has just one small problem: no notion of how to keep the private firms to which the money would be entrusted from stealing it all.

The lessons of banking deregulation are clear: giving bankers access to really huge chunks of unleveraged assets drives them criminally insane. The root cause of the housing bubble was the simple fact that the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act suddenly gave bankers access to trillions in unleveraged and insured bank deposits, and the bankers abandoned all pretense of lending standards or fiduciary good faith, in their frenzy to lend those funds and sell off the debt.

The Republican proposals to privatize Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are an open invitation to theft, corruption, and loss, and we don't have the right to watch private businesses the way we watch Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare. How is a system involving no effective oversight of the way funds are managed considered superior to the closely-supervised, and, incidentally, highly-efficient system we now have?

This year, it's good Republican policy to destroy the American standard of living, by driving an ever-larger proportion of the American work force into poverty. Now, they want to dispossess the elderly, and forgo death panels by simply denying senior citizens all access to health care.

Is this really what we mean when we say "fiscally responsible government?" How many American lives have to be sacrificed, in order that we may congratulate ourselves for being "fiscally responsible?"

Posted by: lonquest | February 15, 2011 11:07 PM | Report abuse

The solution to Social Security is simple! Here it is!
1. ALL WAGES should have Social Security Taxes withheld.
2. The rate of witholding should be decreased appropriately.

The reasoning behind this rationale is very simple!
Here it is!
1. Every company / employer has so much money that they can put into payroll.
Right?
2. The more money one individual gets out of the payroll "pot", the less money that will be available for all other employees.
Right?

Example: Company has one million dollars to give out in payroll, and the ceo makes five hundred thousand, that would leave five hundred thousand to be spread amongst the other 10 employees, if this amount were split evenly each would receive fifty thousand dollars. Social Security taxes would be paid on all wages earned by the 10 employees, but the ceo would only pay SS taxes on a little over a hundred thousand. BUT if payroll was distributed more evenly, Social Security tax would be paid on all the wages.
It only makes sense that all wages have SS taxes with held! If the people taking most of the money out of the pot, don't want to pay taxes on all their wages, they could give up the wages they don't want to pay taxes on, and put it back into the "pot". I am sure that the other employees would be more than happy to split any monies put back into the pot, and pay the taxes on it!

This would reduce SS taxes for most people, and it would equal out SS with holdings for all workers.

3. It could also be set up so that SS taxes are with held on all wages over $20,000, but credit given as if it had been paid. Lets face it, the people making $20,000 or less really need every penny they earn.

* Wages are at an all time high, the problem is that we are taxing less and less of the wages being earned. This is caused by the growing gap of the have's and have's not. The people at the top are taking a bigger and bigger percentage of the "pot", and not paying the SS tax on it.

Posted by: paul2005 | February 15, 2011 11:01 PM | Report abuse

So now I have to give up about $600 per month in my Social Security benefits by filing when I'm 62 instead of 65 because I have NO CONFIDENCE that the United States of America, which I volunteered to fight and die for, will honor the deal in which they took the maximum FICA withdrawals from my paycheck for over 20 years?

Is that what you are telling us, Bohner?

Is that your idea of a "Christian Nation" and Republican "family values"?

By the by, you need to get your liver checked. That orange jaundice from drinking too much of your "Jesus Approved" hard addictive drug alcohol looks real bad and gave you some bad bags under your eyes as well.

Posted by: areyousaying | February 15, 2011 10:54 PM | Report abuse

From the Hitler/Atwater/Rove playbook:

Continue telling the lie that Social Security is taxpayer money and not from worker with-holdings and the mindless parrots addicted to Fox News and Limbaugh will believe they can use it for endless war instead and repeat it ad nauseum. It's like going to a Mormon Testimony Meeting where all the participants hypnotically repeat, "Yes, I know this is true."

Posted by: areyousaying | February 15, 2011 10:38 PM | Report abuse

So these lying theocon thugs now want to steal the maximum FICA withdrawals I made for 20 years part of which when I was volunteering to fight and die for a County I one loved before they turned it into their own ignorant, intolerant, war-mongering Jesuslandia?

Baby-boomers beware! You'll be out on the street with not a penny of the retirement you earned if you don't wake up, turn off RNC Fox News and stop your mindless adoration of $hotgun $arah.

RepuBPlicans care about three things and three things only.

1. Widing the gap between the haves and the have nots.

2. Big oil and big business.

3. Israel.

The rest of us be damned.

Posted by: areyousaying | February 15, 2011 10:30 PM | Report abuse

It may be semantics but I don't believe programs I've been contributing toward my entire working career should be referred to as "entitlement programs".

Posted by: cascadian8 | February 15, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

What of "entitlement reform" for defense contractors who benefit from the now endless Christian Oil Crusades?

Posted by: areyousaying | February 15, 2011 10:23 PM | Report abuse

So... a retroactive tax increase to replace Social Security is what you are proposing. Just like what you want to put on public employees. No such thing as a good faith negotiation with these people. Count your cash when you walk out of the meeting, that is all you are going to get.

Social security use to be the third rail... Crank up the juice!

Posted by: Dpete1 | February 15, 2011 10:23 PM | Report abuse

So... a retroactive tax increase is what you are proposing. Just like what you want to put on public employees. No such thing as a good faith negotiation with these people. Count your cash when you walk out of the meeting, that is all you are going to get.

Posted by: Dpete1 | February 15, 2011 10:22 PM | Report abuse

That money is not the governments, it came out of our paychecks every week. So when republicans talk about reform what they mean is they just raised your taxes by cutting your benefits.

Posted by: Sanchos_ | February 15, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully thanks to the Republican House and its willingess to risk public censure, their effort will give President Obama cover to begin a bipartisan discussion on addressing the out of control spending of Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid programs.

Posted by: TabLUnoLCSWfromUtah | February 15, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

John Boehner and his hypocritical Republicans are very bad at their so-called leadership. How does a so-called Speaker of the House (JB) want to cut so must entitlements that we the American people have worked and EARNED but JB has no problem raising the budget percentage for the Oil companies. JB will be trying to cut police, fireman, teachers, headstart and grants for college. People you need to email and/or call (202-225-6205) JOHN BOEHNER and inform him that he is a TERRIBLE LEADER. We have come to so far but now the hypocrits called Republicans have their machine gun out to cut middle class and low income programs that have augmented the heavy lifting president Obama and his administration have done alone. Republicans have NOT taken any time to develop a bill for JOBS. Remember the lie JB and his hypocrits told before November: WE WILL PROVIDE JOBS IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE ELECTION - this is still a lie. JB is wasting time and our tax dollars and he is ready to let our goverment shut down unless the hypocrits' Republicans have their way. Remember they will hold us hostage, again. PLEASE VOTE THEM OUT IN 2012. You see the lies and we can stop JB or maybe the National Enquirer will prove JB's two alledged affairs and JB will then take his own advice and RESIGN.

Posted by: netstoy | February 15, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

This political theatre of republicans posting up to eat each other all the while alienating the American worker.....pass the popcorn it's gonna be great!

Posted by: bam1969 | February 15, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

When Senator John Kyle of Arizona retires he will be getting a Government pension of 170,000 dollars a year for life. This is the same fellow who votes against any kind of pension increase for the average American. Senators only have to serve 5 years before they qualify. Why doesn't he lead by example and cut his pension down to what the average American gets..how about 35,000 a year. Show some leadership John. These GOP Senators are Hogs at the trough. They talked tough against the Federal Government but have no trouble collecting on their own pension. It is called HYPOCRISY. They hope you do not notice...

Posted by: johnnyk1 | February 15, 2011 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I guess republicans want to take away the remaining 40% of my Social Security. I paid those taxes while in the military and in private industry. Reagan and Tip O'Neal took away 60% now they apparently think 60% was not enough. I don't think Boehner, Cantor and McConnell every paid SS in the military because they probably did not serve.

Posted by: truth1 | February 15, 2011 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, let's screw the old people. What have they done for us, lately? Then let's cancel all pensions and health coverage for government workers, especially members of Congress. Then lets close all the public schools. Who needs an education anyway? It only makes people 'elitists'. Then let's buy a whole lot of guns and start shooting at each other. It'll be 'survival of the fittest', like evolution except that we don't know what that is. Welcome to Republican Amerika.

Posted by: DaveHarris | February 15, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

TO: chop1 who wrote:
"This would be great, but I'll believe it when I see it..."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'll tell you what would be even better!

Let somebody rob YOU of everything YOU have in the world and let's use THAT to pay for your lie called the War in Iraq.

Yeah! That sounds perfect!

Posted by: lindalovejones | February 15, 2011 7:18 PM | Report abuse

TO: Nissl who wrote:
“Wow. Entitlement reform is exactly what I've been asking for … Bump the retirement age to 70 and end early retirement…”

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hey knucklehead: If you want to use somebody’s retirement money to pay for your lie called the War in Iraq, why don’t you send in a check from your own retirement account.

Better yet, maybe we need to start demanding that our politicians take over control of YOUR 401k and each and every other type of savings account you have and PUT THAT on the table to balance your freaking budget.

How about we leave you OUT of the conversation and decide amongst OURSELVES how we’re just going to TAKE your money and do whatever we want to do with it, and send you a letter telling you how much we deeply regret having to take every penny from you, explain to you that you’re going to have to work until you’re 80 years old, and then take our tails to the stock market with whatever we have left of YOUR money.

Like that idea?

Hands off Social Security, moron.


Posted by: lindalovejones | February 15, 2011 7:15 PM | Report abuse

TO: Nissl who wrote:
“Wow. Entitlement reform is exactly what I've been asking for … Bump the retirement age to 70 and end early retirement…”

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hey knucklehead: If you want to use somebody’s retirement money to pay for your lie called the War in Iraq, why don’t you send in a check from your own retirement account.

Better yet, maybe we need to start demanding that our politicians take over control of YOUR 401k and each and every other type of savings account you have and PUT THAT on the table to balance your freaking budget.

How about we leave you OUT of the conversation and decide amongst OURSELVES how we’re just going to TAKE your money and do whatever we want to do with it, and send you a letter telling you how much we deeply regret having to take every penny from you, explain to you that you’re going to have to work until you’re 80 years old, and take our tails to the stock market.

Like that idea?

Hands off Social Security, moron.

Posted by: lindalovejones | February 15, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse

TO: Nissl who wrote:
“Wow. Entitlement reform is exactly what I've been asking for … Bump the retirement age to 70 and end early retirement…”

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hey knucklehead: If you want to use somebody’s retirement money to pay for your lie called the War in Iraq, why don’t you send in a check from your own retirement account.

Better yet, maybe we need to start demanding that our politicians take over control of YOUR 401k and each and every other type of savings account you have and PUT THAT on the table to balance your freaking budget.

How about we leave you OUT of the conversation and decide amongst OURSELVES how we’re just going to TAKE your money and do whatever we want to do with it, and send you a letter telling you how much we deeply regret having to take every penny from you, explain to you that you’re going to have to work until you’re 80 years off, and take our tails to the stock market.

Like that idea?

Hands off Social Security, moron.


Posted by: lindalovejones | February 15, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

The do-nothing party of no is simply pushing all of the right buttons in the hatefest with their bigoted southern base. They hate federal government employees, they hate residents of the District of Columbia, they hate working Americans and they hate the unions that represent working people. They hate educated people and they hate school teachers. They hate universities and they hate the people who attend universities.

The do-nothings hate African Americans, they hate Hispanic Americans and they hate Muslim Americans. The do-nothings realized that their bigoted southern base and their corporate-funded astro turf Tea Bag wing also hates retired Americans so they are putting out the clarion call that they are going to attack Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid.

The do-nothing party of no has morphed into the do-nothing party of hatemongers and bigots.

Posted by: DCSage | February 15, 2011 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Republicans just keep on trying to find a way to steal our retirement money.

It must look like a big giant pot of gold to them.

There are literally billions dollars of our retirement money in the Social Security Trust Account which Republicans have been borrowing from for decades in the hopes that one day they won't have to replace the money they borrowed, and that applies today too.

George W. Bush and the Republicans borrowed from our Social Security Retirement money to fund their LIE CALLED THE WAR IN IRAQ, now they don't want to pay us back our retirement money.

The poor and elderly are some easy targets aren't they.

Shame shame shame on Republicans!

Posted by: lindalovejones | February 15, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

HIGH CRIMES. FRAUD. CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT FRAUD...

Each working American pays into social security to expecting receive the money back at a later date. That has been the promise of the government and that is how the law is written and that is how and why we pay into the system.


YES it is that simple.


You the republicans want to take our money out of social security.

They believe it is government money to spend how they wish.

It is not money for or to the general fund. It is money which comes directly pack to the people.

The republicans want to treat it as an income tax and fold it into the general fund.

The republicans are advocating fraud on the grandest scale.

Justice for America, Justice for Americans

Posted by: cario1 | February 15, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Likely their ideas will be pretty lame and short on details. Since neither affect todays deficit, the Republicans are in a real bind. After the cuts they just recently proposed, they have no more to cut as security and defense are off the table. That leaves the country with a 1.5 Trillion deficit and the need to raise taxes. I imagine they propose Ryan's solution with some AEI ginned up projections on reported savings and benefits.

Posted by: chucko2 | February 15, 2011 6:47 PM | Report abuse

80% of all Americans including 65% of the tea party support raising the cap on FICA to fix social security. I also want to wall it off from general revenue to stop another GWB from stealing 2.5 billion for wars of choice! Make my day and challenge social security. Even the young support this! NO increase in AGE! Keep our benefits and don't hurt regular people any more! Enough is Enough!

Posted by: CSPANwonk | February 15, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

80% of all Americans including 65% of the tea party support raising the cap on FICA to fix social security. I also want to wall it off from general revenue to stop another GWB from stealing 2.5 billion for wars of choice! Make my day and challenge social security. Even the young support this! NO increase in AGE! Keep our benefits and don't hurt regular people any more! Enough is Enough!

Posted by: CSPANwonk | February 15, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Social Security is in pretty good shape today (it has a big surplus) and only requires relatively minor tweaks to make it solvent for the foreseeable future.

The problem with Medicare and Medicaid is the rapidly rising cost of medical care. This should probably be addressed with additions/changes to the health care reform act (tort reform, etc.) to reduce health care costs.

The elephant in the GOP's room is the defense budget. Why aren't they putting that on the table? It's enormous and wasteful. C'mon, let's get serious about this.

Posted by: wireknob | February 15, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Entitlement reform is exactly what I've been asking for, not the small and (sometimes) counterproductive discretionary spending cuts the Reps were putting on the table last week. Maybe I'm actually gonna vote Republican in 2012 even though I disagree with just about every one of their social and foreign policy positions.

Bump the retirement age to 70 and end early retirement, means test SS, cut medicare/medicaid 5-10%, cut defense 10%, raise taxes to 1990's levels. That will get us out of this fiscal hole.

Posted by: Nissl | February 15, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Entitlement reform is exactly what I've been asking for, not the small and (sometimes) counterproductive discretionary spending cuts the Reps were putting on the table last week. Maybe I'm actually gonna vote Republican in 2012 even though I disagree with just about every one of their social and foreign policy positions.

Bump the retirement age to 70 and end early retirement, means test SS, cut medicare/medicaid 5-10%, cut defense 10%, raise taxes to 1990's levels. That will get us out of this fiscal hole.

Posted by: Nissl | February 15, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I am all on agreement with cario1-

"IMPEACHMENT OF THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP NOW."

The repubs are so out of line!!!

Pretty ironic coming from much the same group of crooks and criminals that started these wars based on their lies as well as the financial debacle and refuses to end the unethical continuation-----although the demos have not ended them as well and continue to rape the country for more and more for DESTRUCTION.....


The politicians all seem not see the 800lb gorilla in the room- i.e. the US politicians wasting of approx. $1.4 TRILLION a year on these senseless wars and destruction and maiming and killing....end these unethical wars based on lies and military industrialists buying politicians and close down nearly ALL foreign bases and bring our troops home then CUT IN HALF - dod, homeland security, veterans admin. and 145 other fed security forces ....that would solve nearly half the deficit!

Then tackle ineffective policy such as drugs, taxes, education, oil subsidies, commerce, justice and others…..change ineffective policy and close down respective agencies who have not even come close to meeting their goals such as dea, doe, doa, irs, etc.etc.

BTW- $1.4 TRILLION is nearly $4 BILLION A DAY! Total is more than 2 times rest of world defense spending and approx. 20 times the next largest defense spender China who has a pop nearly 4 times the united states....what is wrong with this picture.....

Politicians in the USA better heed the warning of Egypt WE THE PEOPLE are sick and tired of wasting our tax dollars on war........and the deficit is mostly because of this and bailing out the same crooks who trashed the economy.....

All repubs need to resign or get thrown out of office in 2012!

Posted by: ticked | February 15, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Impeach the republican leadership for conspiracy to commit fraud.

Each working American pays into social security to expecting receive the money back at a later date. That has been the promise of the government and that is how the law is written. The republicans want to take our money from social security and us. They believe it is their money to spend how they wish. It is not their money. It is money which comes directly pack to the people. Republicans want to treat it as a tax into the general fund. The republicans are advocating fraud on the grandest scale.

IMPEACHMENT OF THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP NOW.

Posted by: cario1 | February 15, 2011 6:24 PM | Report abuse

WAPO please increase the font size of the Title of this article about another 1 or 2 sizes bigger.

Every one tuning into your website needs to be able to see the title of this article and right now it is too small, as if you are trying to hide it.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | February 15, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party's big lie continues.

Social Security is NOT, let me repeat, Not a federal government entitlement program.

Social Security is fully funded by employers and employees in the form of payroll deductions from employees and matching amounts from employers. The money is then placed in a general fund that earns interest.

The program does not receive one cent of federal funds.

The government only administers it.

Republicans continue telling this Big Lie because they, the Party of Big Business, have been instructed to find a way to privatize Social Security.

If this were done corporations would no longer be required to contribute its matching funds: a windfall return of 7% of its payroll obligations - which, if the Republicans had had their way in 2010 would have amounted to 1.4 trillion dollars extra profit for that year.

The rest of the Republican plan of privatization is to have workers invest their 7% Social Security payroll deduction in Wall Street funds.

After the Wall Street casino speculators finished with them, the workers pockets would be empty and the Wall Street hustlers would once again be laughing all the way to their banks.

Experience of recent history has taught us that one and all should heed the warning "All Hope Abandon Ye Who Enter Here" when hearing a Republican proposal.

Posted by: apspa1 | February 15, 2011 6:18 PM | Report abuse

SSI is in surplus until 2037. Shouldn't we be asking what the GOP plans to do with that money, if they "reform" the system? Personally, I think it can be fixed by eliminating the salary cap, which was never a very good idea. They might even be able to reduce the current rate if they try that.
As for Medicare, pay for Part D first; use the payroll tax if you must, its only 2.9% now.

Posted by: OldUncleTom | February 15, 2011 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Cuts to social security is a tax. Each working American pays into social security to expecting receive the money back at a later date. That has been the promise of the government and that is how the law is written. The Republican plan is a tax. The Republican perpetrates fraud.

It is a TAX based upon FRAUD. WE pay into the system knowing that we will get the money back at later date. IT IS OUR MONEY.

The republicans think it is THEIR money to spend and to balance the budget with. WRONG.

The republicans are perpetrating a FRAUD. They all must be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors.

FRAUD, people. Get it. F R A U D and another very big hurtful TAX and FRAUD. Theft on a massive scale based upon fraud.

IMPEACHMENT OF THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP NOW.

Posted by: cario1 | February 15, 2011 6:17 PM | Report abuse

This would be great, but I'll believe it when I see it...

Posted by: chop1 | February 15, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

the whole "boehner, where are the jobs you promised" ignores what he actually argues, which is that government meddling hurts job creation. obviously the House cant remedy that on its own.

the bigger picture is this: if you want obama to stay as president or dems to control congress, you have to woo moderates and independents. but if youre that ignorant as to what the basic principles are of the GOP platform, you dont stand a chance.

its in your best interest to figure that out, and frankly ours as well just so that we dont have to keep on reading this crap.

Posted by: batigol85 | February 15, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

OMG! The BS is coming fast and furious from both sides. With any luck they will all implode.


Posted by: Maddogg | February 15, 2011 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Social Security and Medicare are self-funding. Defense is not self-funding.

The solution to the current deficit/debt concern is to implement a separate "Defense Tax" and then let people decide if they want trillions of dollars going to defense each year.

Then we need to create millions of new well-paying jobs.

Then the budget problems will be resolved without all the BS that is currently underway in Washington.

Posted by: Maddogg | February 15, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Yo Boehner, you've been in for 6 weeks now. Where are all the jobs you promised for 2 years?

Posted by: Nosh1 | February 15, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Since Felicia Sonmez has started posting here this has become another pro-Republican blog and has little to do with 44.

Please go back the Fix! At least CC is clearly focused on the welfare of one party. This is supposed to be balanced not "fair and balanced".

Posted by: FoundingMother | February 15, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

It is time for some facts on corporate taxes and corporate entitlements. How does a corporate nominal rate of about 34% only produce about 329 billion in taxes? Tax breaks of all kinds for corporations!

The total of corporate income taxes in the US for 2012 is projected to be only 329 billion.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/30-years-spending-priorities-federal-budget-2012/?hpid=artslot

For context, Wall Street compensation in 2010 was 135 billion for only 25 publicly trade finance companies. Exxon alone in 2009 had profits of 30 billion on revenues of 383 billion. They paid no corporate income taxes in 2009
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704124504576118421859347048.html


And we need to cut corporate income taxes?

Posted by: FoundingMother | February 15, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Entitlement reform.

Does that include the billions Boehner thinks Ohio is entitled too for jet engines the Pentagon doesn't want or need?

Class warfare. The right-wingers are taking from the poor to give to the rich. That is the way conservative societies work. It is all about privilege and power.

These thugs are "empowering the poor to pay for the privilege of the rich."

Look at Egypt. Conservative societies fail every time, always painfully, sometimes violently.

Posted by: PoliticalPrisoner2012 | February 15, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I guess that whole 'where are the jobs?' thing republicans campaigned on was a lie.


The first thing they do is try to destroy health care reform. They didn't create a single job with that effort.

Now they will try to steal you social security and medicare. They won't create a single job with that either.

Republicans campaigned on creating jobs and now go back to what they always do, try to destroy social security and medicare.

Posted by: treefrog2 | February 15, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

While they're at it, they can put their own Congressional salaries, health care benefits, and retirement benefits on the table. We all have to bite the bullet, and Americans simply cannot afford to pay for your yearly escalating costs anymore without raising our taxes again. Oh, BTW, that how's that Republican tax-cutting job/creation program working out for ya.

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | February 15, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

While they're at it, they can put their own Congressional salaries, health care benefits, and retirement benefits on the table. We all have to bite the bullet, and Americans simply cannot afford to pay for your yearly escalating costs anymore without raising our taxes again. Oh, BTW, that how's that Republican tax-cutting job/creation program working out for ya.

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | February 15, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

So the uber swine cantor and John of Orange will cut anything but the biggest entitlement of all, the military budget.

Posted by: ElectricBill | February 15, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I've got news for the extremist Republican party:


Now that you have some actual power again (the House) you won't be able to get away with spending all of your time throwing verbal bombs at the Dems, going golfing and then hitting the DC cocktail circuit at night every day.


You either CREATE JOBS or you will be gone in 2012 so fast that your heads will spin.


Chop chop Repugs!


You've got two years!


Time's a wastin'!

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Posted by: DrainYou | February 15, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

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